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Speaker 1: Podcast use building a mansion on skin um quarner. Welcome
Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansas, and I'm coming to you from
Speaker 1: a city filled with heroes in bunkers. Mark Seessler, Greg Rostal,
Speaker 1: what is up? Boys, it's happening? I think? Hey, Dan,
Speaker 1: still has you beat by a little bit there, gregs
Speaker 1: just the show is incomplete and I'm waiting, you know,
Speaker 1: the the introductions are incomplete, of course, because also joining
Speaker 1: us sitting in the Chris Westling air. Chris Westling, who
Speaker 1: we will hear from later, is the great legend, one
Speaker 1: of the legends of the Around the NFL podcast. Friend
Speaker 1: of the show, the great Lindsay Rhodes of NFL Network.
Speaker 1: What's up? Lends? Okay, went more well rested than Chris
Speaker 1: Westling these days. Yeah, that's good. It's but you are
Speaker 1: like us. You also, Lindsay, have two children. Um, so
Speaker 1: quarantine life. You said it seems to be treating you
Speaker 1: well and that you're you don't look like you've gone insane.
Speaker 1: So that's good. Look all right, that's it's important. Um,
Speaker 1: coming up on today's show, this is a good one.
Speaker 1: We got Lindsay in the building or on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Buildings don't exist anymore, at least how we knew them
Speaker 1: to be. But we are going to continue our Wheel
Speaker 1: of Team series with the New York Giants and Bob
Speaker 1: Blauber of Newsday. Uh, speaking of friends of the show,
Speaker 1: we'll be joining us for that. Also, Greg, you've done
Speaker 1: much work on your projected starter series over on the
Speaker 1: dot com and you said you have some takes. He said,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done so much work. I can distill
Speaker 1: it down to one minute, not waste everyone's time looking
Speaker 1: through sixteen thousand words or something. It's all down to
Speaker 1: one minute that we can talk about. Yeah, it's efficient. Uh,
Speaker 1: just just throwing this out there. Just is that maybe
Speaker 1: an indictment of the series. Yeah, that was a joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the joke. But people should read it, people
Speaker 1: like I think people still are interested in reading articles
Speaker 1: on websites, but not not as many people as before.
Speaker 1: I think we found it's a nice series. I've dug
Speaker 1: into it. It's a good read. They do enjoy it
Speaker 1: needs that. Thank you, Thank you, Mark, and Yes West
Speaker 1: and Lakisha who knows, maybe even baby Link will join
Speaker 1: us at the end of the show. But before we
Speaker 1: do that with Lindsay Rhodes in the virtual house, let's
Speaker 1: do some news. Mm hmm. Alright. Speaking of virtual the
Speaker 1: virtual owners meetings are going on, and all these rule
Speaker 1: proposals that we've talked about on this show and on
Speaker 1: our network program, uh that you know, really served as
Speaker 1: something to talk about the last couple of weeks. Now
Speaker 1: we see if some of these rule proposals go into effect.
Speaker 1: One that is not going to going into effect, most
Speaker 1: likely in the NFL owners have tabled the measure that
Speaker 1: would have allowed teams a fourth and fifteen conversion attempt
Speaker 1: in lieu of an onside kick. Uh. I guess they
Speaker 1: just didn't think it was all there, so they didn't
Speaker 1: even bring it to vote because it would not have passed,
Speaker 1: so I guess it's still possible it could happen this year,
Speaker 1: but more than likely, this is something that's gonna take
Speaker 1: some tinkering. I have takes on this that differ from
Speaker 1: the other boys on the show. But Lindsay, I was
Speaker 1: wondering what you thought about this idea of the on
Speaker 1: side kick alternative. It would certainly be exciting, doesn't it
Speaker 1: feel a little bit arbitrary? Like, Hey, here's instead of
Speaker 1: doing this thing that is a kick where you would
Speaker 1: normally kick, We're gonna just give you the ball, and
Speaker 1: it's totally different, like here's a spot, here's the Like
Speaker 1: it just feels like, Okay, this is fun, but like
Speaker 1: it just feels weird to me. But aren't all rules
Speaker 1: kind of arbitrary? If you think, I mean, at some
Speaker 1: point you just had to It's like, why why is
Speaker 1: it ten yards to gain a first down? It's like
Speaker 1: you just gotta makeup so why is an extra point?
Speaker 1: You know? Why do they kick it at certain You
Speaker 1: just gotta make up some make up the rules. You
Speaker 1: gotta change them up every once in a while. But
Speaker 1: actually no, you don't have to change them up every
Speaker 1: once in a while. And I'm definitely team roads on
Speaker 1: this one. It did feel a little arbitrary and it
Speaker 1: felt like something that you would cook up in your
Speaker 1: backyard for a football game. And I just I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want the league to make changes for the
Speaker 1: sake of changes. And I understand the onside kick has
Speaker 1: become an almost irrelevant play almost but not quite because
Speaker 1: of the safety measures that went into effect with you
Speaker 1: can't get a running start anymore, which was all there
Speaker 1: for player safety, and I get that, but my feeling
Speaker 1: on it is, maybe we could look into ways alternatives
Speaker 1: to to increase the percentage chance of recovering an onside
Speaker 1: kick while also not putting players and added danger. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's impossible, but I just I never understood it, and Mark,
Speaker 1: to me, the one thing that also jumped out to
Speaker 1: me the more I thought about it. It just seems
Speaker 1: like too much of an advantage for a team that's losing,
Speaker 1: like this idea that you could be down uh multiple
Speaker 1: scores and if you get hot and you go on
Speaker 1: a long march down the field, you have a chance
Speaker 1: to stay on the field and have a rip roaring
Speaker 1: comeback without the other offense even touching uh setting foot
Speaker 1: between the lines. I'm not in on that either. I
Speaker 1: like the rule more than you do, UM because the
Speaker 1: until you fix the issues with the onsite's kick, the
Speaker 1: you can think of your a billion times that the
Speaker 1: team you're rooting for has been a scenario where like
Speaker 1: the onside kick is your last chance at life. And
Speaker 1: to reduce that play the way they have in terms
Speaker 1: of being able to successfully convert those, um, you're out
Speaker 1: of options. So they have to come up with something.
Speaker 1: It's instructive that this was a pretty um, I want
Speaker 1: to wanna say zany but it was a pretty deep
Speaker 1: cutting um rule change. And uh, this this zoom call
Speaker 1: with what thirty two billionaires on it, it was a
Speaker 1: little too rich for them. So they said, no, so
Speaker 1: you're you're, you live, You're you should be happy. Then,
Speaker 1: I mean, and if a team gives up like three
Speaker 1: straight touchdowns and three straight fourth and fifties, he deserve
Speaker 1: what you get. I don't. I don't get the argument
Speaker 1: that's like, oh, that makes it too easy to come
Speaker 1: from behind. Well, what's wrong with that? Let's have some comebacks.
Speaker 1: Just doesn't feel like yeah, I mean, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: give the give the other team the ball right there,
Speaker 1: if you don't convert it, then at least like the
Speaker 1: risk reward it does. Yeah, I mean, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: how about we try to fix the outside kick. How though,
Speaker 1: but that the problem is you can't peel back the safety.
Speaker 1: I know, but but but that's a nice solution with
Speaker 1: there's that you're on the side of the billionaires. That's
Speaker 1: you know, we're for the working people in the spandemic.
Speaker 1: I think that's what comes out of this. You know, Greg,
Speaker 1: Greg and Mark are you know, working class types and
Speaker 1: you're up there in your your little villa wherever. That seems.
Speaker 1: This seems a little sloppy, but that's that's fine. And
Speaker 1: other rule change, uh news. One thing that did go
Speaker 1: through is that the owners voted to kill the end
Speaker 1: of game quote Belichick penalty loophole. It was the one
Speaker 1: where you could run a clock, uh and keep a
Speaker 1: clock running and kill time by committing multiple dead ball fouls.
Speaker 1: And we saw Belichick do it, and then we saw
Speaker 1: get done to Belichick in the playoffs, and it was
Speaker 1: just ridiculous and was stupid and wasn't fun to watch.
Speaker 1: So common sense carries the day. This is no longer
Speaker 1: a thing. Mark Sessler. Yeah, and it shouldn't be so,
Speaker 1: you know, they achieved something of you know, logic based
Speaker 1: during this call that that needed to go away. Makes
Speaker 1: me wonder, like how many other rules are just have
Speaker 1: been sitting there for forty years being ready to be exploited.
Speaker 1: I hope Belichick has been, you know, digging through that
Speaker 1: rule Buck and Nantucket this offseason come up with some
Speaker 1: new ones. He's been in the league a long time.
Speaker 1: He hadn't thought of that one before. You know, he's
Speaker 1: he's going through an offseason now where he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a quarterback anymore, and now he doesn't have one of
Speaker 1: his precious little rules that he could skirt to his benefit.
Speaker 1: He knew it was gone. He said it that night
Speaker 1: against the Jets that that's probably but this rule will
Speaker 1: be changed. But in the meantime, I'm gonna have some
Speaker 1: fun one other. I'm sure he's fine with it being changed. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very true. One final rule change. The NFL will
Speaker 1: now allow teams to designate three players to return from
Speaker 1: injured reserve. Uh the old boomerang rule as it's known
Speaker 1: on the Around the NFL podcast, And that just makes
Speaker 1: sense to more common sense that's that's good, lindsay. We
Speaker 1: like we like when because you know, with the vaulatle
Speaker 1: nature of pro football, this idea that you have to
Speaker 1: make these decisions when early in the season on a player,
Speaker 1: give the rosters more flexibility like this one. I think
Speaker 1: this season two, when you know, we don't know what
Speaker 1: it's going to look like from a health standpoint and
Speaker 1: COVID and if somebody, you need as many players available
Speaker 1: to you as possible, because if your players getting stick
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they're not available, you can't just have people who
Speaker 1: are arbitrarily not available to come back. I think that
Speaker 1: that makes sense this year in particular, just get as
Speaker 1: many people on the field as you possibly can. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had wondered, like ten years from now when you
Speaker 1: look at I R boomerang, it started as one, then
Speaker 1: became two players, then now three? Would it be double triple? Wait? Wait?
Speaker 1: Why not? Because it's great for football that you could say,
Speaker 1: you know, you have three three STARp type players on
Speaker 1: the shelf for you know, critical guys on your roster.
Speaker 1: Bring them all back, like make the end of the
Speaker 1: season meaningful and fun. And other new who is Mark,
Speaker 1: you're Cleveland Browns hot for jadeveon Clowney. We've heard Clowney
Speaker 1: connected to Cleveland, but ESPN's Adam Schefter reported this week
Speaker 1: that the Browns have offered quote the most money to
Speaker 1: date to Clowney, and Schefter said on ESPN Cleveland, it's
Speaker 1: unclear exactly why he has not taken the offer. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is from Schefter. Why is that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is that not wanting to be in that city? Is
Speaker 1: that a lack of belief in the organization. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, but there's no doubt Cleveland has
Speaker 1: offered the most money to date, seven years old, still
Speaker 1: on the market. Mark, do you want him? I do?
Speaker 1: And I was told um about a month ago on
Speaker 1: this show that I was, you know, next to insane
Speaker 1: for suggesting that Clowney would be a good fit for
Speaker 1: the Browns roster. I mean, I also didn't say next
Speaker 1: to insane. Actually, our friends Steve Wish who told me
Speaker 1: that it was a terrible idea. Also because that locker
Speaker 1: room is you on edge and you know, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's okay if the Browns have more talent than people. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think it's necessary for a Brown's team, and I
Speaker 1: have no problem bringing Clowney and you got Myles Garrett.
Speaker 1: They they hung onto Olivier Vernon, which I thought if
Speaker 1: they went and got Clowney, maybe you move Vernon at
Speaker 1: some point, because there were a lot of whispers about that.
Speaker 1: I like that they didn't because outside of Adrian Claiborne,
Speaker 1: you don't have much else at that position. And when
Speaker 1: when they lost Myles Garrett last year, and you know,
Speaker 1: you know that was a deserved removal from the roster
Speaker 1: obviously for what for the Antics? On Thursday night? That
Speaker 1: defense fell apart? So I have no problem adding pass
Speaker 1: rushers all over the place and probably be a one
Speaker 1: year deal, do it? Are you taking it as a
Speaker 1: slate though he's not taking their money right now? Maybe
Speaker 1: that's uh. I don't know. He doesn't seem as interested
Speaker 1: as I do in this deal. The idea what the
Speaker 1: most the best offer is like what kind of ballpark?
Speaker 1: Is it even close to what he was expecting? Or
Speaker 1: is he just in a stage now where he's like
Speaker 1: resetting all of his expectations or I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot less than he was expecting. It's it's a good
Speaker 1: question to ask and it makes sense if if none
Speaker 1: of Even though it's the most money, it's not near
Speaker 1: what he wanted in terms of guarantees and multi years.
Speaker 1: So why not just skip all these zoom calls and
Speaker 1: uh wait till August? You know, to be on a team.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's the next two insane idea
Speaker 1: for Clowny to go to Cleveland. But talent is not
Speaker 1: really the problem on that roster, as we know. I
Speaker 1: know you just said Mark that the it gets thinned
Speaker 1: out when you lose certain players. We could say that
Speaker 1: for any roster. It's more is he a personality fitting there?
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't think it's wrong to
Speaker 1: question what kind of fit they have in there, what
Speaker 1: kind of personalities they have in places this somewhere where
Speaker 1: this guy would thrive or would he would become a
Speaker 1: headache and he cost a ton of money. I think
Speaker 1: it would be a risky move by the team. I
Speaker 1: just by that, I don't know how risky it is
Speaker 1: because they they yeah, I mean, they have the more
Speaker 1: cap space than any team in the league right now,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I to me, it just feels
Speaker 1: like we're these players are only allowed to go to
Speaker 1: four or five locker rooms. That's they're only trust four
Speaker 1: or five teams to handle anyone with the personality. I
Speaker 1: just I bump on that Ramsey in Cleveland. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean whatever, just bringing all the talent, like what could
Speaker 1: go wrong? Alright? I mean that's kind of what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know they have new Hey, they have new leadership
Speaker 1: there too, so maybe everything's gonna be different with fred
Speaker 1: the Freddie Kitchen's regime. Thankfully one and done there, so
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens about to David might not want
Speaker 1: to go there, so stay tuned. Jalen Ramsey he will
Speaker 1: not hold out of training camp. He says. This comes
Speaker 1: from Steve Weischer buddy on Twitter. And it's coming off
Speaker 1: a year where of course Ramsey held the Jaguars hostage
Speaker 1: without a gun uh and forced them to trade the
Speaker 1: cornerback in the middle of last season. Uh. And now
Speaker 1: with the Rams and it even trickier place because Ramsey
Speaker 1: knows that he is going to get money from Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: He's throwing him a bone. It seems at this time
Speaker 1: your thoughts great, Well, he said this right when he
Speaker 1: got traded, that he wouldn't hold out the next year
Speaker 1: and based on lefs sneeds comments, I think they're they've
Speaker 1: made some progress in doing a negotiation. So he feels good.
Speaker 1: He wants to be there. I think he feels like
Speaker 1: he's going to get that money eventually. He knows people
Speaker 1: are kind of annoyed at him of how last year
Speaker 1: was handled, so he can't go back on his word.
Speaker 1: And as many questions as there are about the rams
Speaker 1: and and they're all fair. The secondary's pretty intriguing with
Speaker 1: with Jalen Ramsey and then you have a safety Dewey
Speaker 1: duo and uh former around the NFL podcast guest John Johnson,
Speaker 1: remember him, Dan? I mean that was that was a
Speaker 1: big moment for the show. And Taylor Rap and you
Speaker 1: got Troy Hill. I kind of like at cornerback. It's
Speaker 1: a little thin at cornerback, but that's plenty of talent
Speaker 1: that you can you can do a lot with Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey being your number one corner I was just disciplining
Speaker 1: my children. I'm sorry, don't don't be sorry. I mean
Speaker 1: they deserve it, right, you know, Garage, I told him
Speaker 1: when when the podcast is recording, they know this by now.
Speaker 1: It's been months and I know it's a tricky situation.
Speaker 1: Don't come in here. I have a one hundred ft wire,
Speaker 1: hardline wire connecting my laptop to the router in the
Speaker 1: living room. So when you run in here and you're
Speaker 1: three years old, you're five years old, there's like a
Speaker 1: seventy chance you're going to trip over the wire. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. We're lucky. I'm still involved in the conversation.
Speaker 1: And now I had to I had a doll out
Speaker 1: some verbal punishment there. That's what that's gotta do. I
Speaker 1: put it on because the audience didn't need to hear it. Right,
Speaker 1: you hit that mute button, but the three of us
Speaker 1: could tell that, Um, something was going on there. You
Speaker 1: looked deeply involved in parent in a parenting issue which
Speaker 1: we all respect. Are you the disciplinarian Dan between you
Speaker 1: and Emily? Is there a disciplinarian between you two or
Speaker 1: is it shared equally? Um? I mean it's not. It's
Speaker 1: not good cop, bad cop by any stretch, but I
Speaker 1: would say it's traditional at least how I was raised.
Speaker 1: That mom is obviously a figure of respect and don't
Speaker 1: mess with her. But you know, if I come into
Speaker 1: the room when things are they're not listening to reason
Speaker 1: from mom. It kind of things have stepped up a notch.
Speaker 1: It's that type of vibe. That's how I was raised. Anyway,
Speaker 1: What about you guys starting face? Yeah, I don't know, Lindsay,
Speaker 1: was that was that? What's going on in your house?
Speaker 1: Are you the one with the iron hammer? Ultimately the
Speaker 1: whip cracker? I think I'm probably tougher than my husband
Speaker 1: in that regard. Yeah, I don't think that. I think
Speaker 1: it yet. It depends on the house. Um. I think
Speaker 1: it depends on the kid too, Like I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, like depending on the our kid, they're more
Speaker 1: afraid of me or or Emma Cup, But I feel
Speaker 1: like their ultimate fear is they're more afraid of their
Speaker 1: mom than they are of me. And don't strike me
Speaker 1: as like a totally intimidating duo just to meet there.
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean, our house has just slip into
Speaker 1: total lawlessness, so I don't there's no authority figure here.
Speaker 1: Kids are in control. Um. Finally, in the news, interesting
Speaker 1: piece from Richard ditch Over at The Athletic and Interviews
Speaker 1: uh an interview with Boo Booger McFarland, who, of course
Speaker 1: has just been relieved of his duties on Monday Night Football.
Speaker 1: He started in the Booger Mobile and year one there,
Speaker 1: year two they moved Witten out or he moved to
Speaker 1: back to the Cowboys and McFarland moved back to the
Speaker 1: booth with testatoris old buddy from the SEC network. And
Speaker 1: it was an enlightening, uh, conversation between Ditch and Booger
Speaker 1: and Greg. What did you kind of take out of
Speaker 1: the interview? There were there was a lot. I have
Speaker 1: a few things, but the the part where he said
Speaker 1: he read all the criticism and that anyone who doesn't
Speaker 1: say they see that is lying stuck with me. So
Speaker 1: he he knew what was out there in terms of
Speaker 1: all the heat he was taking. And the thing I
Speaker 1: found interesting just in terms of how the firing was handled,
Speaker 1: was like he got at the point where in TV
Speaker 1: they never tell you why. He was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: even ask, like I would like to have known, but
Speaker 1: they don't tell you, you know, They like they I
Speaker 1: heard this was coming. By the time they tell me
Speaker 1: it's already over. They made up their minds and I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna really find out. Uh. And he said that
Speaker 1: was frustrating, but he also said he understood it because
Speaker 1: he mentioned the speed of the game being so fast,
Speaker 1: and he meant he talked about the Witten He he
Speaker 1: didn't even mention the Witten year until Ditch brought it up.
Speaker 1: It was like the Witten year never happened. He talked
Speaker 1: about his first year as last year. And he also
Speaker 1: mentioned how he's so comfortable in the studio that he's
Speaker 1: done that forever, that that he has all these reps
Speaker 1: in the speed of the game is slow there and
Speaker 1: then you put it back on ESPN, Well, why are
Speaker 1: you putting a guy in a booth that's never been
Speaker 1: in the booth? You you know, not only are you
Speaker 1: putting him in a booker and mobile The first year
Speaker 1: with Jason Witten, um who was struggling, and he tried
Speaker 1: to defend Witten, but he was just saying, who's going
Speaker 1: to be their best the first year, he basically said
Speaker 1: the speed of the game was too fast for him
Speaker 1: at points, and which makes sense because he's never broadcast
Speaker 1: the game before. Basically he was a studio guy. And
Speaker 1: like that, that's ESPN's fault. That's not really Booger McFarland's fault.
Speaker 1: Lindsay You've had a great career, starting out at USC
Speaker 1: and doing all the business there, and that you've been
Speaker 1: all over the country as a broadcaster. Have you ever
Speaker 1: done like, have you ever done anything in the booth?
Speaker 1: Have you ever done any calling games or anything like that? No? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I've done sideline. I have no interest in
Speaker 1: calling games because they just know that wouldn't be anything
Speaker 1: I'd be good at, frankly, and so I can relate.
Speaker 1: I always kind of felt a little bit badly for
Speaker 1: Bugger because I think what he realized and what people
Speaker 1: at home don't always. I think the game is a
Speaker 1: very important point. It's easy to sit on your couch
Speaker 1: and jump in when you have a thought, but to
Speaker 1: have to have a thought all the time, and you're
Speaker 1: constantly talking, and when you're the third person like he
Speaker 1: was in your one, the cases different. You know he
Speaker 1: could jump in and at a point, whereas when you're
Speaker 1: the person in the booth, you have to have a
Speaker 1: point about all of it. And so when you say
Speaker 1: speed of the game, the game's moving fast, but you're
Speaker 1: like checking your notes, you're looking at like there's no
Speaker 1: time to do that. If you're in a booth where
Speaker 1: you are expected to be the primary voice, and you've
Speaker 1: just never done it before. You haven't had a chance
Speaker 1: to figure out the flow of broadcasting a game. It's
Speaker 1: so different than being in a studio or anything else.
Speaker 1: It's just it feels like you're you're playing catch up
Speaker 1: the whole time, and you just can't be in that position.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you read the criticism though, like
Speaker 1: you know that it exists if you're him, because he's
Speaker 1: like the number one trending topic every Monday night for
Speaker 1: crying out loud, so I'm sure he's hearing it. But
Speaker 1: if he's reading his mentions or anything like that, I think,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like protect your sanity. You have to
Speaker 1: avoid that, you have to learn how to avoid that. Well,
Speaker 1: I thought it was he he talked about the fact
Speaker 1: that he'd real thick skin and that it didn't bother
Speaker 1: him the way it might someone else, because as a
Speaker 1: player you're so used to just absorbing um fan abuse
Speaker 1: that you you may be become more practiced than not
Speaker 1: having to hit you. But I mean it was it
Speaker 1: humanized um the whole Monday night football thing for me
Speaker 1: a little bit. We've been tough on that broadcast um,
Speaker 1: I think fairly. Uh. But also that you know, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're those guys, UM, you're you're you're announcing
Speaker 1: money night football in a pretty terrible era. UM. With
Speaker 1: Twitter existing during games, this just was not the case
Speaker 1: you know back in the day where they might have
Speaker 1: a good show or not. Um, but you're not hearing
Speaker 1: it from six thousands brownies um tweeting four billion times
Speaker 1: during the game. And I mean even for us, we're
Speaker 1: wed a varying levels of what impacts us. I remember
Speaker 1: one of the first articles I ever wrote at NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. Um, the first comment was, you are dumb
Speaker 1: and your children are dumb. I didn't even have children
Speaker 1: at that point, so I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: a prediction or what I should um. Uh it that
Speaker 1: I still remember little things like that, or when someone
Speaker 1: really hits you with an arrow. Um, that is truly mean,
Speaker 1: Like some people can just not care. I care about
Speaker 1: that stuff. I mean, you don't want to cling to
Speaker 1: it forever. But if you're booking those guys, you've gotta
Speaker 1: have a thick skin to get through those seasons and
Speaker 1: doing this show as long as we have and working
Speaker 1: with the NFL. It definitely gives you a little more
Speaker 1: perspective on getting criticism. I definitely handle criticism better now
Speaker 1: than I did seven or eight years ago, for sure
Speaker 1: when it comes online. But I think my takeaway and
Speaker 1: I didn't really need to read this article to have
Speaker 1: this takeaway, but it is a good reminder if you care,
Speaker 1: UH to have a more nuanced take on something like this,
Speaker 1: other than oh, Booger sucks, uh, you have to understand
Speaker 1: that these decisions and his performance, it doesn't exist in
Speaker 1: a vacuum. And the fact that he struggled on that
Speaker 1: show on Monday Night Football was not just on him.
Speaker 1: Everyone would put it all on the personality Jason Wit
Speaker 1: and I'll even include here as much as he struggled
Speaker 1: on his own right, But it's it's the position they
Speaker 1: put him in, putting them in the boogermobile where he's
Speaker 1: in a seatbelt going fifteen miles an hour up and
Speaker 1: down the sideline, then jump pumping him upstairs and giving
Speaker 1: him no reps to learn how to do that job.
Speaker 1: I totally see where he's coming from. And sometimes the network,
Speaker 1: and I'm not just single out ESPN, it could be
Speaker 1: NFL network, it could be anyone. They deserve more blame
Speaker 1: than the actual individual does. When things go sideways, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like an NFL team that always struggles because
Speaker 1: of bad ownership. And I don't think Money and football
Speaker 1: has had that sort of consistent struggles. But this is
Speaker 1: a percent on the decision makers, the fact that they
Speaker 1: put Witton in that scenario. Uh, and then that that
Speaker 1: it didn't quite work out with Booger. I did want
Speaker 1: to mention one other thing he talked about, which did
Speaker 1: was not related to Monday and Football, but he was
Speaker 1: he was so um coaching on it. I think it
Speaker 1: was important to put out there, which is he was
Speaker 1: really against college football coming back in the fall, and
Speaker 1: he said, it's one thing if you're if you're a
Speaker 1: pro and you're making money and you're making that decision
Speaker 1: that it's like I'm a corporation. I'm going out there,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm feeding my family. It's another totally hypocritical thing
Speaker 1: to say we're gonna social distance the crowd at a
Speaker 1: college football game, but we're gonna make the players play
Speaker 1: for us, and that they're you know, they're playing for
Speaker 1: free obviously, and it's a totally different that they're gonna
Speaker 1: be tackling each other, and there's gonna be a hundred
Speaker 1: people on the sidelines. And if you can, if you
Speaker 1: send your kids to school there, we'll we'll try to
Speaker 1: keep them safe in the crowd or if you want
Speaker 1: to go to the game, But we don't really care
Speaker 1: about these kids that that are out there. And if
Speaker 1: it's like an eight nineteen year old kid, he was
Speaker 1: thinking about his kids, he had a big problem with that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a really interesting point on the
Speaker 1: difference of thinking about this fall in terms of college
Speaker 1: versus the pros. So many college kids, so because then
Speaker 1: what do you what do you do if you're trying
Speaker 1: to like, you don't want to lose that year of eligibility.
Speaker 1: You don't want obviously they figure out something about eligibility,
Speaker 1: but like, you don't want to use that lose that
Speaker 1: year of athletic activity. If you're trying to make it
Speaker 1: to the league, if you're one of those guys that
Speaker 1: is trying to do this professionally, you can just sit
Speaker 1: on the sideline for a year and expect that then
Speaker 1: you're still gonna be fine trying to get to the league.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for those kids too that would be
Speaker 1: put in that position, not to say, like you play college, right,
Speaker 1: They pulled a bunch of how this would be a
Speaker 1: complicated thing, They pulled a bunch of college players, and
Speaker 1: I've seen like two or three articles where the vast
Speaker 1: majority want to play. But I think, Greg, you're what what?
Speaker 1: What Booger mentioned is the ethical dilemma in this and
Speaker 1: and sorry, but it applies to the NFL too. I
Speaker 1: don't care about the money or not, you can't. I
Speaker 1: get that it's pro and you want to shove them
Speaker 1: everyone out there in time for training camp, but the
Speaker 1: ethical questions are draped over every one of these sports. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what's happening in the news. Good combo guys. Um.
Speaker 1: Before we get to our deep dive on the German, Greg,
Speaker 1: it is time now for you to just still everything
Speaker 1: that you've taken out of your projected starter series and
Speaker 1: just for the people that maybe aren't properly educated, what
Speaker 1: is the projected starters series? Actly? I guess it's self evident,
Speaker 1: but just let people know what you know. NFL dot
Speaker 1: com slash projected starters. We got all twenty two players
Speaker 1: I think are going to get the most snaps for
Speaker 1: each team, but then with a bunch of notes for
Speaker 1: each team too, which is the part you know that
Speaker 1: I I enjoy. It's one of my favorite things to
Speaker 1: do ever. Mark Sessler liked it, so that's a big good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the little bullet point nuggets that you offer are Yeah,
Speaker 1: the nuggets. It's uh, it's one of my favorite little
Speaker 1: things we do every year. So the article that jumps out,
Speaker 1: by the way, is there one of one piece, maybe
Speaker 1: non Browns related, that jumps out to you? I thought,
Speaker 1: for instance, he did a really nice job on the
Speaker 1: Giants who were going to dig into today and talked
Speaker 1: about some of the you know, the Giants have a
Speaker 1: lot of issues, and Greg is skillful at um, you know,
Speaker 1: exposing some of those issues, but not dropping a bomb
Speaker 1: on the g men at the same What would be
Speaker 1: an issue that you read in that article that Greg
Speaker 1: kind of trying to say he doesn't believe you that
Speaker 1: you actually read you know what, Mark sent me a
Speaker 1: text like three weeks ago at least he was reading
Speaker 1: one of them and made some comments I could bear
Speaker 1: you Dan, Yeah, Dan, that is it's talking about ethical issues.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are You're dipping them all day long,
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, get to it. Greg, you're gonna give
Speaker 1: us sixty seconds of how I don't. Yeah, we'll do
Speaker 1: sixty seconds of just some takeaways and that's enough. And
Speaker 1: who's gonna Are you gonna do a clock? Erica? Who's
Speaker 1: doing it? Because I need to be cut off or
Speaker 1: else it'll just go on forever, all right, Ricky, put
Speaker 1: him on the clock for sixty seconds, and Greg, whenever
Speaker 1: you're ready, let it rip. Okay, here we go. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys defensive line has one player returning that had over
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty snaps on the team last year.
Speaker 1: That that seems like a problem. I'd be a little
Speaker 1: worried about the Cowboys defense. The Raiders are the team
Speaker 1: that doing this exercise. I think I liked more after
Speaker 1: doing it. I think they're the second best team in
Speaker 1: the NFC West. Uh No quarterback in the league. I
Speaker 1: think if you look at the whole situation, offensive line, coach, receivers, everything,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone has a worse situation than
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. I mean, he is set up to fail.
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater love him in fantasy leagues this year. Their
Speaker 1: secondary is so bad after Dante Jackson they're gonna give
Speaker 1: up a ton of points. I like the weapons around them,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to score a ton. Uh. Steelers take
Speaker 1: their top five on the defensive line, in their their
Speaker 1: front seven, that's the best top five in the league.
Speaker 1: Heyward to it? What dupree? Who am I forgetting Bush?
Speaker 1: That's a good little bo jillip rivers best offensive line
Speaker 1: he's ever played with. And I like the Colts defensive
Speaker 1: line too. So if you're win in the trenches, I
Speaker 1: love the Colts this year. And then if we're running
Speaker 1: out of time here, Uh, how about the Colt the
Speaker 1: Rams secondary and the Texans offensive line. They both stunk
Speaker 1: last year and they brought back all the same players.
Speaker 1: That's not a good thing? Is that? That feels good?
Speaker 1: Times up? I edited at my Patriots Homer take just
Speaker 1: for you guys. Do you feel educated, lindsay, after that relaxed,
Speaker 1: like I'm at a bar or something like. Music really
Speaker 1: nice during the sixty second thing, which it felt very stressful,
Speaker 1: and then so this is nice to come down. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say, if you want, if you're looking for
Speaker 1: any constructive criticism there, when you started naming people on
Speaker 1: the Steelers defensive line, in front seven that really hurts you.
Speaker 1: That costs seven or eight seconds easily. That's that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think it's good. Though then people know who you
Speaker 1: know who I'm talking about. But you're right. What was
Speaker 1: your Patriots Homer take? I'm just curious, Um, you know that? Uh,
Speaker 1: they've got I think you could argue pretty strong. They've
Speaker 1: got a top five offensive line, a top five secondary,
Speaker 1: and the greatest you know, coaching history. So let's let's
Speaker 1: stop talking about them as they're crazy talent for those
Speaker 1: are important parts of your team, offensive line and secondary.
Speaker 1: It's fair ten at six. I don't know that's a
Speaker 1: little optimistic, but why not see that? I gotta see
Speaker 1: what did him looks like? All right, it's time. It's
Speaker 1: time to continue the wheel of teams. The New York
Speaker 1: Giants is where it landed on Monday. So a little background. Oh,
Speaker 1: the Dream established nineteen twenty five, eight NFL championships, five
Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearances, four victories. The last appearance two thousand
Speaker 1: and twelve, will win over the Patriots super Bowl forty six.
Speaker 1: They went four and twelve in two thousand nineteen, and
Speaker 1: they're coached by Joe Judge, who's in his first season
Speaker 1: with the team. Yes, the Giants are starting over. And
Speaker 1: to join us in this conversation, we welcome in a
Speaker 1: man who serves as an NFL columnist for Newsday. He's
Speaker 1: a the author of Guts and Genius, a great deep
Speaker 1: dive into pro football during the Reagan era, as I
Speaker 1: call it. Some people just say eighties, but I like
Speaker 1: to give it that a little extra flair and let
Speaker 1: us not forget. I know Sessler hasn't. This man is
Speaker 1: also the president of the Pro Football Writers of America.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Bob Glouber. I mean, I mean, we
Speaker 1: bring you on, Glauber, and your phone is ringing. This
Speaker 1: isn't This isn't helping your case that Maybe you know
Speaker 1: that your demographic it's a little older than ours. Maybe
Speaker 1: he had his wife do that to give him like
Speaker 1: a rap rap sheet thing there. I'm like, who who
Speaker 1: is that? I mean, come on, it's you know it
Speaker 1: was another old time. Were Neil Best? Okay? Okay, I
Speaker 1: know Neil Best, great great TV columnists from Newsday? I mean,
Speaker 1: what is he? Just guys of a hot take on
Speaker 1: Mike and the Mad Dog. Come on? I was answering
Speaker 1: the phone Glauber. This is just pathetic, just sad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a Newsmakers, He's okay. You respect Neil more than us.
Speaker 1: What is going on, Bob? Well, I had to take
Speaker 1: his call because he would have kept calling. You want
Speaker 1: to keep getting interrupted, the show out of nowhere. So
Speaker 1: it's a big, big event for him to silence. How
Speaker 1: many years turn it off? How many years Bobby, you've
Speaker 1: been covering New York sports and the pro football scene? Where? Well,
Speaker 1: what are we up to New York sports? I've been
Speaker 1: covering since nineteen nine. Wow, I started in seventy nine,
Speaker 1: covered covered them in the Stanley Cup years and then
Speaker 1: football started in So you've seen a lot twinkle in
Speaker 1: your daddy's eye. I wouldn't go that far. Well, actually, yes,
Speaker 1: when you started, Bob, that was exactly there. I was
Speaker 1: a twinkle. Yeah, so no, I I was, I was born.
Speaker 1: But um, I will say that you hit the New
Speaker 1: York football scene at the exact right time. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: I'm mark. I'm telling you. I am grateful to have
Speaker 1: started then because it could have been eighty three that
Speaker 1: you know. But but they were starting to get good
Speaker 1: at giants were starting to get good. The Jets were
Speaker 1: good at that time, and the Bill Parcels era was spectacular,
Speaker 1: and it was incredibly memorable, not only for fans and
Speaker 1: for football enthusiasts, but for journalists. No better training than
Speaker 1: to be in a Bill Parcels press conference and get
Speaker 1: leaked on relentlessly and continuously, but to the point where
Speaker 1: I can I can now call this man and say, hey,
Speaker 1: how are you doing. You know, he was quite a
Speaker 1: character and it was very It was tough. It was
Speaker 1: very challenging as a journalist, believe it or not, because
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he was into it. He
Speaker 1: would he would challenge you big time. But it was
Speaker 1: it was great. He's my I would say he's my
Speaker 1: favorite football personality ever, and I'm biased because of my
Speaker 1: New York ties and his run with the Jets, but
Speaker 1: in general, no matter where he's been to me, he
Speaker 1: was always such a compelling figure and his personality. He's
Speaker 1: such a Jersey guy. It was all. It was all
Speaker 1: like what you see is what you get with Parcels.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have a oh, and you could read more
Speaker 1: about it, as Bob points out with a shameless plug
Speaker 1: on guts and genius and guts and genius. Bob's book
Speaker 1: you released last year. All right, let's get into it, Bob.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the president. The Giants are starting over
Speaker 1: mostly you're the same GM Dave Gentleman, but a new
Speaker 1: head coach and a new franchise quarterback and Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: entering his first full season as starter. Uh, what what
Speaker 1: are your kind of what's your general feel around this
Speaker 1: team right now? Does it feel like almost a weight
Speaker 1: has been lifted off them now that he lies out
Speaker 1: out of the building and they're able to kind of
Speaker 1: move forward as a organization as good as Eli was
Speaker 1: to that team. Yeah, No, I think that's a fair point, Dan,
Speaker 1: and I think there is something to that, you know,
Speaker 1: that had to be a logical conclusion to the end
Speaker 1: of his career. I think it happened much sooner last
Speaker 1: year than anybody could have expected. It made a little
Speaker 1: bit awkward after just two games they go to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: Certainly made it awkward for Eli Manning. And as as
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones admitted a couple of weeks ago, he made
Speaker 1: it awkward, it made it awkward for him too. I
Speaker 1: I found, you know, Daniel Jones is extremely guarded. I
Speaker 1: mean he makes Eli look like Jerry Seinfeldt because Niels
Speaker 1: very careful. Eli love seinfeld so he'd appreciate that. But
Speaker 1: Daniels very very careful. But you know, for him to
Speaker 1: admit that it was awkward, I thought was pretty striking. Now,
Speaker 1: of course Eli himself said yeah, it was kind of awkward,
Speaker 1: So I think Daniel agreed with it. But you know,
Speaker 1: you you have to look at this now as Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Daniel owns this team. There's no question and
Speaker 1: that and that's a good thing for moving forward. You
Speaker 1: have a new coach, you have a coach who's now
Speaker 1: calling Daniel Jones by his name, So that's progress and
Speaker 1: they can move on. I was listening to Judge refused
Speaker 1: to call players by their first name for quite a while,
Speaker 1: and I think I think that might have continued. Have
Speaker 1: we not had this interruption, because that was that was
Speaker 1: part of his deal, just to earn your spot. And
Speaker 1: you talk about playing it close to the vest, Judge,
Speaker 1: seems it seems pretty tight, you know, tightly wound. Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones is Jason Garrett. You don't really think of it
Speaker 1: as like a guy who's to loose. It's the New
Speaker 1: York Media and it's asking Garrett too integrate. You know,
Speaker 1: this new he's gonna be installing a new offense, an
Speaker 1: offensive line where everyone's changing. I guess Nate Soldiers may
Speaker 1: be going to play right tackle. They have a rookie
Speaker 1: at left tackle. We'll see. You know, it's not a
Speaker 1: bad looking group. Actually the line looks pretty good on
Speaker 1: decent on paper. Um, but any concern about the way
Speaker 1: this offense is going to be able to ramp up
Speaker 1: with like all these new pieces all kind of getting
Speaker 1: together and not being able to be on the field
Speaker 1: right now, any concerned, I would say, you know, dep
Speaker 1: coom three because you know, started with the fact that
Speaker 1: everyone's new and in they have not been together ever
Speaker 1: as a team. So, you know, Joe Judge I think
Speaker 1: has one of the hardest jobs in the NFL this year,
Speaker 1: but you know, competing in a market that's really intense.
Speaker 1: I've been impressed with the way he's handled himself, if
Speaker 1: you can be impressed, you know, from a distance, because
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think he gets it. I
Speaker 1: think he's not you know, he's tightly wound. But I
Speaker 1: don't think he's tight, you know, I think he is.
Speaker 1: He's got composure about him. Now he's gonna get intense
Speaker 1: during games. He got intense during games with the Patriots
Speaker 1: as an assistant, So he's gonna get intense, um and
Speaker 1: appear tight. But I think he has good vision for
Speaker 1: what he wants from his team and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: he'll handle it. But Okay, it's gonna be an incredible
Speaker 1: work in progress. Second year quarterback, first year full year
Speaker 1: as a starter, new offensive line, UM, similar weapons. You
Speaker 1: do have sa Kwon Barkley, So there's continuation there. But man,
Speaker 1: for the most part, uh, this is gonna be. This
Speaker 1: is gonna take a while. When when you look at
Speaker 1: Dave Gettelman in the in the team building, you know,
Speaker 1: experience like there there's a a belief out there by
Speaker 1: something that if you don't see a front office really
Speaker 1: flipping the switch by year three, that you've got issues.
Speaker 1: And the Giants um have won what twelve games and
Speaker 1: they'll past three seasons. That said, I think to me,
Speaker 1: I Gettleman feels a little bit like too easy of
Speaker 1: a whipping boy at times, and I get that. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a bit countercultural and um, you know,
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to know how to turn on a laptop
Speaker 1: at times, things like that, and people have their fun
Speaker 1: with that. But you look at their draft and I
Speaker 1: think that Andrew Thomas, I mean, forget what the media thinks.
Speaker 1: A lot of people that Andrew Thomas was a perfect
Speaker 1: pick for them right there. Xavier McKinney, the safety they
Speaker 1: got is being compared to Minka Fitzpatrick. So I think
Speaker 1: they had one of the better drafts in the NFC.
Speaker 1: But do you trust um from where from where you
Speaker 1: sit Dave Gettleman as a team builder in t versus
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand or something. Is he building a
Speaker 1: team from modern football? Yeah, that's a fair question, um,
Speaker 1: Mark and I and I think the answer is I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. Um. I think there are pieces with this team.
Speaker 1: I think there is some semblance of cohesion. Now the
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker we haven't talked about that. You know that
Speaker 1: situation is going to impact potentially extremely negatively on Dave
Speaker 1: Gentleman because lets phasically traded up three picks to get
Speaker 1: a player who might not be with the team. There
Speaker 1: are questions about Baker going into the draft. I mean
Speaker 1: that's kind of why he was there at number thirty. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: there were questions. I don't know that there were any
Speaker 1: questions to the level of something that allegedly happened, right, So,
Speaker 1: in fairness, I don't know that the concerns rose to
Speaker 1: that level. But that said, you know, it's that's on
Speaker 1: him and this is a bottom line business and he's
Speaker 1: got to take the hit for that if we find
Speaker 1: out that that this is a player that's not going
Speaker 1: to be with the team. So I think there are
Speaker 1: elements of the team that have come together Mark, and
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, building the offensive line, like
Speaker 1: he said at the draft, you know, we finally got
Speaker 1: to get this right, all right, and I think they've
Speaker 1: gone a long way towards getting it right. You may
Speaker 1: see Solder at right tackle right now, it's Thomas at
Speaker 1: right tackle on the depth chart, and then Solder at
Speaker 1: at left tackle, and he's coming off an admittedly bad year.
Speaker 1: It's some personal issues with his child um that we're
Speaker 1: happening at the same time. So, you know, there are
Speaker 1: some pieces here and there are some building blocks, but
Speaker 1: I think there's genuine concerned that you know, is Gettleman
Speaker 1: a modern day general manager who can kind of adapt
Speaker 1: to today's world with a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: Stegasaurus Burger type. Look at you know how football is
Speaker 1: built from the lines out, you know, the big men,
Speaker 1: and that's all well and good, but it's a different
Speaker 1: game now, and it's a totally different game. Well here,
Speaker 1: it's a big year for him. Here's an optimistic spin
Speaker 1: on this, bob. And you tell me if if it's
Speaker 1: a little too pie in this guy. So Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: certainly flashed last year as a rookie, and I know
Speaker 1: that you could definitely get on him for lack of
Speaker 1: ball security, but you know, you imagine that in year
Speaker 1: two he could button up some of those issues. Say
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley when healthy, is arguably the best running back
Speaker 1: in the league. Their wide receiver group. While it doesn't
Speaker 1: like jump out and conversations of the best triplets in
Speaker 1: the league. I like Golden Tate as a player, Sterling Shepard,
Speaker 1: we've always loved if he could stay on the field,
Speaker 1: And Darius Slayton kind of broke out last year as
Speaker 1: a nice draft pick there when given opportunities. And then
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram another guy that yes he's had injury issues,
Speaker 1: but an explosive playmaker went on the field. How hard
Speaker 1: do you really have to squint? Honestly? And the offensive line,
Speaker 1: obviously we were talking about that question marks there, but
Speaker 1: they did address that with three draft picks and including
Speaker 1: the big man in four overall. I mean, how hard
Speaker 1: you have to squint to see this as a potentially
Speaker 1: not just like proficient offense, but a very good offense.
Speaker 1: I think it's potentially in play here crazy very good offense.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could see flashes. Um, I
Speaker 1: need to see more consistency from Daniel Jones. You mentioned
Speaker 1: ball security, fumbling was a problem. He's working on that
Speaker 1: new off season. Um, you know, I think was stopped.
Speaker 1: How good you're running back is he? You know teams
Speaker 1: can stop that. And the receivers, I say, you know,
Speaker 1: good not great. I love Shephard and Slayton was a
Speaker 1: nice surprise, and Golden Tate is a good possession receiver.
Speaker 1: You don't have a true homelun hitter, Okay, you can
Speaker 1: live without that. And Ingram is Ingram sat embarkment time explosiveness, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. You put that all together and
Speaker 1: you have a new system, a new offense, a new
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and a new offensive line. That's that's an
Speaker 1: awful lot. I thinke talent. Yes, on paper, it's there,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't know. I'm not looking at
Speaker 1: a playoff offense in my mind just yet. I'm with you, Dan,
Speaker 1: though I don't think you have to. I don't think
Speaker 1: you have to squint that hard, Mike. My bigger concern
Speaker 1: is is Garrett is um whether they have the coach
Speaker 1: to take advantage of being explosive, or whether he's just
Speaker 1: gonna want to run the ball like crazy like he
Speaker 1: talks about, and whether they're gonna take advantage of all
Speaker 1: these guys, whether he's the guy to develop Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe he'll prove me wrong there, but they
Speaker 1: just sound like they want to play it close to
Speaker 1: the vest. Where I'm with you, Dan, that they have
Speaker 1: enough weapons that actually I think they should take advantage
Speaker 1: of that because they're gonna have to their defense. The
Speaker 1: I'm rambling a little bit here, but the defense looks
Speaker 1: terrible on paper, and they have a coordinator who's never
Speaker 1: done anything, Patrick Graham, who's coming from Miami, so that
Speaker 1: to be is the bigger concerned that if Baker has
Speaker 1: gone that maybe is the worst secondary in the entire NFL,
Speaker 1: and you don't really have many natural pass rushers and
Speaker 1: you have a coach that's never done anything, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to score some points I think to keep
Speaker 1: up with his defense. Yeah, welcome to Giants in right. No, seriously,
Speaker 1: I mean it's that's that's a huge problem. I remember
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, you know, towards the end of his run,
Speaker 1: just before they were consistently bad and and you felt
Speaker 1: it was time for a change. But he had to
Speaker 1: coach differently. He had to take far more chances on offense,
Speaker 1: and he went for fourth downs more than he usually did.
Speaker 1: But because he had a defense that couldn't stop anybody.
Speaker 1: And remember the last year that after after he left,
Speaker 1: they went on a spending binge and free agency got
Speaker 1: in Olivier, Vernon, Snacks, Harrison, so they got they built
Speaker 1: their defense. But you have to coach differently when you
Speaker 1: can't stop anybody. And that's what hurt last year. If
Speaker 1: at Schremer had to be much more aggressive, and it
Speaker 1: burned him. Let me ask you this real quick. I
Speaker 1: mean Giants ownership, and you know, and and Dan mentioned
Speaker 1: he grew up in in Giants, Uh you know towns.
Speaker 1: I I grew up watching the Giants. It's the first
Speaker 1: team I remember, and they just had this um undeniable
Speaker 1: identity with Parcels and with Belichick and their defensive staff
Speaker 1: and and and right up through Coughlin. I mean, they
Speaker 1: just were the Giants, and they were a different type
Speaker 1: of football team than anything else out there. They seem
Speaker 1: to have zero identity at the moment on defense at least.
Speaker 1: And this ownership group, I mean, I know they've been
Speaker 1: annoyed obviously with what's happened the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: How patient will they be with Joe Judge if it's
Speaker 1: gonna take you know, this season is going to be rough,
Speaker 1: potentially with no real training camp, if that's how it
Speaker 1: plays out. But let's say they struggle, you know, for
Speaker 1: a year or two. Is Joe Judge gonna get the
Speaker 1: one two year deal and you're done? Or they are
Speaker 1: they committed to really like seeing this through for once
Speaker 1: there has been so much turnover there. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: fair question, and I think the answer is Joe Judge
Speaker 1: gets at least two or three years of you know,
Speaker 1: like there's gonna be no problem with that because they
Speaker 1: really truly believe that they have a good young coach
Speaker 1: who can last a long time. I think Getleman is
Speaker 1: the guy who would be on the hot seat if
Speaker 1: they go south record wise, I think there would be
Speaker 1: no problem making a change there that they would. They
Speaker 1: would do that and hope that someone else coming in
Speaker 1: as a general because they do like that structure of
Speaker 1: general manager. They don't want to make Joe Judge into
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick in terms of giving him all the authority
Speaker 1: with personnel, so I think they will be patient with him.
Speaker 1: They're aware of it. John Mara is aware of it,
Speaker 1: you know. He grew up John Era. I've known him,
Speaker 1: you know, since eighty five and went before he was
Speaker 1: like the lead executive of this team, and it was
Speaker 1: good to kind of see him, um, just as an
Speaker 1: everyman type person. And he lived with he lived with
Speaker 1: heartache growing up because when he grew up, his father's
Speaker 1: teams were terrible. John marriage did not want to go
Speaker 1: to school like Wellington had to force him to go
Speaker 1: to school on Monday mornings after a terrible loss. And
Speaker 1: John was afraid his classmates would make fun of him.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's ingrained in him. He's impatient and
Speaker 1: he's driven, um, But I think that he will give
Speaker 1: Joe Judge the benefit of time because he feels like
Speaker 1: he found somebody that he can win with over a
Speaker 1: long period of time, and I think he's willing to
Speaker 1: go through the um, the inevitable ups and downs that
Speaker 1: that you have with a first year coach. The trick is,
Speaker 1: though you know Gettleman, if he's on the hot seat,
Speaker 1: then you've just fallen into this cycle again where it's
Speaker 1: like the coach and the GM didn't come in at
Speaker 1: the same time, and they're not a line and that's
Speaker 1: the Giants used to say, they were sort of above that.
Speaker 1: You know, we keep coaches for a long time, we
Speaker 1: keep GM. The gms at this point still have like
Speaker 1: a Giant's lineage. But that then you're falling into some
Speaker 1: of the troubles that some really bad franchises get into.
Speaker 1: So it's like you almost have to keep Gettleman at
Speaker 1: this point if Judge is there and and see it out,
Speaker 1: even even if it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: You only get to have coaches that hang around for
Speaker 1: a long time if you hire the right coach in
Speaker 1: the first place. Exactly nailing that with lately, see, I
Speaker 1: think you'll be able to see what you know what judges.
Speaker 1: Even this year, maybe you'll see it even more because
Speaker 1: of the challenges. But I see what you're saying, Greg.
Speaker 1: The coach GM thing is really important. It's really hard,
Speaker 1: and I think the Giants had a long run where
Speaker 1: they just had George Young didn't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: George hires Ernie a Corsi, trains him up the way
Speaker 1: he you know, sees fit. Ernie builds a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: roster that Jerry Reese inherits, and Jerry Reese was the
Speaker 1: last scout hired by George Young, so there was the
Speaker 1: uninterrupted line of succession from Envy nine through the end
Speaker 1: of the Jerry Reese era a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: That was. And then you know, you could say that Gettleman.
Speaker 1: Gettleman was, yes, but he wasn't hired by George this
Speaker 1: George Young direct legacy, and yet Gettleman is part of
Speaker 1: that franchise. Earlier on he was more of a Coughlin guy. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't. They love the structure of GM
Speaker 1: and coach and probably lost them Bill Parcels in ninety
Speaker 1: because of that, because he and George Young didn't get along.
Speaker 1: But they liked that structure and if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: You're right, they will have to make some adjustments. But
Speaker 1: I don't think there is the kind of loyalty to
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman in the Giants front office that there was
Speaker 1: with George Young certainly, and Ernie a Corsi and to
Speaker 1: a lesser degree, Jerry Reese. I just don't think I
Speaker 1: think they would make a move sooner. Bob pivoting before
Speaker 1: we say goodbye, and like just to see where we're at.
Speaker 1: We're where we're at right now. You are, of course,
Speaker 1: the president of the Pro Football Writers of America. It's
Speaker 1: been a it's been a sore spot for a certain
Speaker 1: member of this podcast. I'll point out a smart Sessler
Speaker 1: that we are not members of this esteemed group. Is
Speaker 1: there any movement on this front from the pres uh
Speaker 1: to get us involved with your great organization? First of all,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to Mark as I should. Mark,
Speaker 1: can we talk at the combine? And you did? You did,
Speaker 1: and that felt like about twenty two years ago, But
Speaker 1: I do you You made a point of wanting to
Speaker 1: have a discussion. He he, he did his Usually he's like,
Speaker 1: we'll do it on the podcast. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: doing this unless it's content. Sorry, that's the sound Mark
Speaker 1: Roll first of all. And I part of and I'm
Speaker 1: imagining what am I gonna tell Mark? And here's part
Speaker 1: of it. And I was gonna hope to save this
Speaker 1: for a private conversation, but let's be out in the open.
Speaker 1: We at the Combine several years ago, I said, you
Speaker 1: chuckle heads have a good chemistry, all right. Yes it
Speaker 1: is the back of the press room at the Lucas
Speaker 1: Oil Stadium. I said, there's something about you. You guys
Speaker 1: are big in London. For God's sake, you attract crowds
Speaker 1: at London pubs, at least that's what your Twitter says, right,
Speaker 1: nationally famous. Why do you give up anything? You know?
Speaker 1: Why do you care about this? I mean, I see myself,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a little bit of shared DNA
Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan where I'm just looking for that that
Speaker 1: one thing that can get me motivated. And sometimes it's
Speaker 1: got to be something that you know, positive motive, Positive
Speaker 1: reinforcement doesn't do it with me. I's got to be
Speaker 1: something that gets me riled up. And um, you know
Speaker 1: this didn't start with you. You've at least attempted to,
Speaker 1: uh address the topic. It was some previous presidents Trotter
Speaker 1: blew us off with a letter, Well, you know, and
Speaker 1: I and really it's nice to get to know him
Speaker 1: since and I see that that probably was just the
Speaker 1: machinations of how it all works. I'm sure he didn't
Speaker 1: sit down and make that letter. But let's just say,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I give globbery a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for reaching out and addressing the issue. Here's the
Speaker 1: here's the the answer, Bob. I think it's because you
Speaker 1: you know, capital j journos in your ivory towers. You're
Speaker 1: looking at You're looking at, oh these podcast bozos, and
Speaker 1: oh they work for the NFL. They must be just biased.
Speaker 1: They're not the locker rooms, they don't pound the pavement.
Speaker 1: They haven't paid their dues so they can they can
Speaker 1: get all the London fans they want. Doesn't mean they
Speaker 1: have integrity. I think that's what you're you know, covertly
Speaker 1: saying to us. Put it out in the open, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up. Um No, that's Greig. If I if I
Speaker 1: didn't think you had integrity, shame on me. Come on,
Speaker 1: there is there is a there's a bit of there's
Speaker 1: a line, there's a line of demarcation, and that line
Speaker 1: is still it's it's it's it's a pretty strong line.
Speaker 1: So Mark, we're just gonna have to exist on the
Speaker 1: outside the fringes of the staff of the establishment. That's
Speaker 1: what it sounds like. Yeah, you see, this is good though.
Speaker 1: You guys are like the outsiders, right, we operate in
Speaker 1: the shadows, and we will continue to make Hey we're
Speaker 1: the outsiders. Man, We're gonna we're gonna come in there
Speaker 1: and kick some but yeah, the bad boys, that's what
Speaker 1: we are. Um, Bob, you said it all. Thank you
Speaker 1: for giving us the insight, and um, I hope your
Speaker 1: family and friends all staying healthy during these trying times.
Speaker 1: And it was just great to see you and great
Speaker 1: to hear you. Great. My mother, my mother beat it man,
Speaker 1: she beat COVID did that's awesome, Bob. That's good. Well,
Speaker 1: that's great, that's great to hear. There you go, Mama Glauber, Mama,
Speaker 1: Mama Gloubs got it done. Alright. Well, best wishes to
Speaker 1: mom as well. Thank you, Bob for talking some giants
Speaker 1: football there and what's let's end our little giants chat
Speaker 1: guys with a little over under, I'm got card here,
Speaker 1: Giants seven and a half winds under strong under, I'm
Speaker 1: going over. I think they will be eight and eight. Wow. See,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you. I'm taking the over here.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see the NFC East as this
Speaker 1: like incredible division that's gonna have teams that are gonna
Speaker 1: be soaring. I think it's gonna be a dog fight,
Speaker 1: and I think the Giants gonna be able to hang
Speaker 1: in this division. I really do our East Coast bias,
Speaker 1: but we're sticking with it. Alright. What about let's go say,
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley over under two thousand yards total yards, it's
Speaker 1: the right number. I'm gonna just say under because that's
Speaker 1: it's so awesome that trying to expect that out of
Speaker 1: a Jason Garrett back. But it's certainly possible. But I'll
Speaker 1: go under. I'll go under. But I wonder what Bob thinks.
Speaker 1: I'll go under on on everything. I mean, you're the
Speaker 1: guys who say, hey, they don't have to squint to
Speaker 1: see see greatness there, Rosie, all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: take the under. Well, yeah, I just think it's it's
Speaker 1: an awful lot to ask of a first year coach
Speaker 1: with no work with his players in the entire off season.
Speaker 1: The first time he gets together might be training camp
Speaker 1: to come in cold seven and a half man, that's a.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a pretty big number. Given those circumstances,
Speaker 1: and given that defense which we talked about, they haven't
Speaker 1: been together. It's tough to do things you've never done before,
Speaker 1: like having a zoom call with with a guest like
Speaker 1: Bob Glabber, where Dan tries to say like eight to
Speaker 1: the guest mid convo, but then he's still on the
Speaker 1: video and then we bring you back in, like we
Speaker 1: don't know what we're doing. We thought we thought we
Speaker 1: were signing off. But I want Bob the whole show.
Speaker 1: Let's keep him. You guys can get kicked me off
Speaker 1: just just well, we can't. We can't do it when
Speaker 1: you're just sitting there a while, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: just watching, that's where it's you know, I'll go off
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm grateful to be with the heroes. My
Speaker 1: best to West and Link and yeah, alright, thank you,
Speaker 1: love that man, Thank you to Bob Glabber. And before
Speaker 1: we say goodbye, let's welcome back Lindsay Rhodes and also
Speaker 1: welcome in some people that we love. All right, so
Speaker 1: thank you to Bob Glauber. That was awesome. Uh. But
Speaker 1: now as we tease something that we've been waiting all
Speaker 1: week for, we want to see what the updated Westling
Speaker 1: clan looks like. So here they are of the first
Speaker 1: time on the podcast. There's Lakisha, Chris Westling and baby Link.
Speaker 1: Look at that Lincoln just he's got an eye for
Speaker 1: the camera. He's lightening it up. This is a blesy
Speaker 1: courtesy of his Nannar Rhoda. What is this? Pass the
Speaker 1: podcast day? And I got your back? And I also,
Speaker 1: I have to say, is someone that's known for his
Speaker 1: hair on this podcast? Lincoln looks like he might be
Speaker 1: coming for the throne. Look at that full head of hair. Well,
Speaker 1: this guy's six days old. He didn't get it from
Speaker 1: me Howling. Yeah, what's going on over there? Um? Exhausted
Speaker 1: that's the keyword. I feel like a zombie. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know how people with two kids do it, because
Speaker 1: one it's like Chris, I feel like fifty diapers a
Speaker 1: day and I'm either feeding, but it's all worth it. Well,
Speaker 1: we had that whole it's over for the Westlings thing
Speaker 1: where everybody told us we wouldn't have a social life
Speaker 1: and we you know, and we were like, no, it'll
Speaker 1: be different, and everybody kind of patted us on the
Speaker 1: head like that's cute. That's cute. You think you're gonna
Speaker 1: be different. And now it's like when you come up
Speaker 1: for air. It's about eighteen years from now. Lasted like
Speaker 1: four days before giving up on all that. Oh man, yeah,
Speaker 1: well this in terms of sleep. You know, did you're
Speaker 1: recovering from birth and a surgery. Keisha, it'll get eat,
Speaker 1: it'll get better. And disclaimer if I cry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I cried everything now. I don't know how long that
Speaker 1: will last. I would like to be my normal self
Speaker 1: again one day, but right now everything makes me cry.
Speaker 1: We were watching a show last night on the Smithsonian
Speaker 1: channel about the Mississippi River and they were talking about beavers.
Speaker 1: The parents work up to twenty hours a day and
Speaker 1: Keisha's like, I here, y'all feel like a damn b man.
Speaker 1: Oh this is amazing. Look at that so well behaved too.
Speaker 1: He's just totally chilling right now. You're not even asking
Speaker 1: the right questions. Dan, like, as he sleep are you
Speaker 1: guys sleeping? Chris, are you getting up? I just want
Speaker 1: to hear them. I just talk to me, Erica. It
Speaker 1: is hard as f um me. Maybe Lindsay can give
Speaker 1: me some tips. I can't sleep when he sleeps because
Speaker 1: I'm constantly getting up to make sure like he's breathing,
Speaker 1: so I can hardly ever sleep and I'm constantly telling
Speaker 1: waking him up to you know, you know, feak not
Speaker 1: feed him but changes diaper because they don't give him
Speaker 1: to me to feed. But it's just like I can't
Speaker 1: get any sleep. I'm guessing you guys all went through this,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to get excited during the pregnancy. At
Speaker 1: least it was for me because he's not in my
Speaker 1: body and then you meet him and then you're excited.
Speaker 1: You know. I can't. The phrase over the moon has
Speaker 1: been in my vocabulary. It seems like everyone else's vocabulary.
Speaker 1: Everybody's over in the moon in Australia. They're chuffed, chuffed
Speaker 1: for you mate, that Chris super excited. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? Yeah? They're super cute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so cute. It's stupid. You look tired, yeah, yeah, West
Speaker 1: I just wanted to pass on that don't have a
Speaker 1: flashbacks that aren't necessarily great. If you got tips, um,
Speaker 1: I would appreciate them. I used the little Sully wrap
Speaker 1: yesterday and that was a game changer because usually I'm
Speaker 1: just stuck on the couch. Like we moved our whole
Speaker 1: operation into the living room. He's on one in the
Speaker 1: couch and another in the couch. You've got the bass
Speaker 1: net in there and just that's where our set up is.
Speaker 1: And I'm just stuck in the couch all the time
Speaker 1: with him, I'm a boob. Yesterday I got to use
Speaker 1: the Sully wrap and actually get up in Western l
Speaker 1: Man for the bedroom. It's all the bed and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I got emotional, like I remember that
Speaker 1: thing I used to sleep there. Yeah. Um, well time
Speaker 1: poops and peas all the time. Well, how has it
Speaker 1: been getting back home? Because you were you were at
Speaker 1: the hospital for five days and West was there without
Speaker 1: being able to leave, which is a unique experience I
Speaker 1: think for the dad because of COVID. So how has
Speaker 1: it been getting back to your house? I know, you guys,
Speaker 1: you know in another world maybe your mom Keisha would
Speaker 1: be there. Um, so you're not getting some of the
Speaker 1: help that it's some other mom again. But like, how
Speaker 1: has it been since you got back home. It's been, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I told you a crowd at everything. It's been. Our
Speaker 1: neighbor stopped out a lot. It really sucks. And having
Speaker 1: my mom here to help. She's gonna be um flying
Speaker 1: out at some point soon because um the Longs JV.
Speaker 1: Longs they have um a little guest house in their
Speaker 1: backyard and they're gonna let her quarantine out there, um
Speaker 1: so she can be to help us and stuff. But
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about our neighbors. They've been dropping
Speaker 1: off food, um yesterday, are direct next to our neighbor
Speaker 1: of the Palmers. They dropped off appetisers. I think of
Speaker 1: what's six o'clock dinner at seven, um eight, Like, it's
Speaker 1: just they've all just been so wonderful because they know
Speaker 1: the situation that we're in right now. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like happening a little extended family that you didn't
Speaker 1: know that you had. It's kind of weird for me
Speaker 1: because I have five younger brothers, so I did all
Speaker 1: this stuff. But it was in the nineteen eighties and
Speaker 1: the technology and baby hare is like so different compared
Speaker 1: to what we grew up with, and during the process
Speaker 1: the last nine months, I'm like, oh, you don't need
Speaker 1: all that stuff, Like you know, all these new fangled
Speaker 1: parents with their gadgets. We need all of it. I
Speaker 1: mean all of this. It's a battle we're fighting. It's
Speaker 1: a war, and we need all the weaponry we can get.
Speaker 1: I like getting the West update on baby technology innovation.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't respect that that one. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like the car seats, the strollers, the bouncy toys, everything
Speaker 1: so much different than it was. He's finally napping. Took
Speaker 1: a nap in his bounty today. That was a life changer.
Speaker 1: I got to get so much stuff done during that time.
Speaker 1: But then I also have to keep again checking on
Speaker 1: him because producted an amount of time. I freak out,
Speaker 1: Like I'm always constantly putting my hand on his nearest face,
Speaker 1: being like do I feel anything. Okay, he's still breathing.
Speaker 1: We're good, We're good. Six days, we're doing good, very
Speaker 1: normal young parents stuff. I remember doing all that and
Speaker 1: I just kind of put a button on it. You said,
Speaker 1: when when do you come up for air? That's that's
Speaker 1: really hard to say. I don't know. I mean from
Speaker 1: this phase, this newborn phase. Maybe it will take you know,
Speaker 1: a few weeks, a few weeks, a few months, whatever.
Speaker 1: But in another way, I feel like we still haven't
Speaker 1: in our house come up for air since the first
Speaker 1: baby landed. It's just it's a game changer. I guess
Speaker 1: you know what, you're living underwater in some ways at that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty common. But he's a beautiful boy. And we
Speaker 1: are so happy for you, guys. Probably let you get
Speaker 1: back to your parenting and your poop cleaning and you're
Speaker 1: checking for breathing and all that great fun young parents stuff.
Speaker 1: Congratulations and uh, enjoy this special time. All right, thanks guys,
Speaker 1: Love you, guys, Love you, Lincoln, love you. We have
Speaker 1: another boy in the family. Unbelievable for five boys and
Speaker 1: one girl. Yeah, poor poor elis my daughter, you know,
Speaker 1: she needs she needs another uh another pal, maybe you know,
Speaker 1: another girl pal. Maybe maybe Wesley and kid number two.
Speaker 1: The problem with them coming up for air for three years, well,
Speaker 1: we don't even want to We don't want to get
Speaker 1: it number We don't we even get into Dan's predictions
Speaker 1: of June, June, June, when this next one might be coming. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's coming. It's now is not the time, lindsay your
Speaker 1: final thoughts on motherhood thing, Uh, that quarantine might actually
Speaker 1: be kind of an added bonus for them because while
Speaker 1: her mom can like you want those types of people around.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I remember as a new
Speaker 1: parent is when people would come visit, I was like,
Speaker 1: I will never do this to someone again because they
Speaker 1: just come visit and they want to see the baby. Like,
Speaker 1: if you want to go visit a brand new baby,
Speaker 1: bring either food or do something when you're there, because
Speaker 1: it's just time that the mother or father don't have
Speaker 1: to just sit and visit. I remember always being like,
Speaker 1: I really wants for you, but like the fact that
Speaker 1: there's downtime right now, I have to sleep, and this
Speaker 1: is stressing out that we're not. I'm not sleeping during
Speaker 1: this time. So they cut out all of the people
Speaker 1: who just want to come in and see the big
Speaker 1: bay that don't have time for So that's a win
Speaker 1: and and Ulkisa's mom coming a little later is not
Speaker 1: the worst. One thing I thought about was you know,
Speaker 1: moms and help and they're always there for it's always
Speaker 1: there the first two or three, four weeks, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But you're in the exact same situation in month to three,
Speaker 1: four or five. So it's fine if if the mom
Speaker 1: comes out a little later for a month, like you
Speaker 1: need to help just as much in month three pretty
Speaker 1: much as month one, So it's okay. Spread it out. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, Lindsay you've come in and you've done it again.
Speaker 1: M hm, you've done it again, Linda, you said it all.
Speaker 1: You've done it all, and we every time you're on
Speaker 1: the show, we love it and it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: So thank you again for joining the Around the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: one of the great friends of the show. Than technological
Speaker 1: disadvantages and all, yes, but what we we survived it
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Speaker 1: signing off for a quiet storm. The mail, well not
Speaker 1: the mail met well, Yes, the Maile Metals here, Lakeisha, Lincoln,
Speaker 1: the Old Fox, Lindsay Rhodes, and of course Ricky Hollywood
Speaker 1: in West Hollywood until Friday, m