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Speaker 1: Podcast use building a mansion on skin um quarner. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansas, and I'm coming to you from

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Speaker 1: a city filled with heroes in bunkers. Mark Seessler, Greg Rostal,

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Speaker 1: what is up? Boys, it's happening? I think? Hey, Dan,

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Speaker 1: still has you beat by a little bit there, gregs

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Speaker 1: just the show is incomplete and I'm waiting, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the introductions are incomplete, of course, because also joining

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Speaker 1: of the show, the great Lindsay Rhodes of NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Lends? Okay, went more well rested than Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling these days. Yeah, that's good. It's but you are

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Speaker 1: like us. You also, Lindsay, have two children. Um, so

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Speaker 1: quarantine life. You said it seems to be treating you

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Speaker 1: coming up on today's show, this is a good one.

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Speaker 1: a prediction or what I should um. Uh it that

427
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Speaker 1: I still remember little things like that, or when someone

428
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Speaker 1: really hits you with an arrow. Um, that is truly mean,

429
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Speaker 1: Like some people can just not care. I care about

430
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: that stuff. I mean, you don't want to cling to

431
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: it forever. But if you're booking those guys, you've gotta

432
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: have a thick skin to get through those seasons and

433
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: doing this show as long as we have and working

434
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Speaker 1: with the NFL. It definitely gives you a little more

435
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Speaker 1: perspective on getting criticism. I definitely handle criticism better now

436
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: than I did seven or eight years ago, for sure

437
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: when it comes online. But I think my takeaway and

438
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Speaker 1: I didn't really need to read this article to have

439
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Speaker 1: this takeaway, but it is a good reminder if you care,

440
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Speaker 1: UH to have a more nuanced take on something like this,

441
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Speaker 1: other than oh, Booger sucks, uh, you have to understand

442
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: that these decisions and his performance, it doesn't exist in

443
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: a vacuum. And the fact that he struggled on that

444
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: show on Monday Night Football was not just on him.

445
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: Everyone would put it all on the personality Jason Wit

446
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Speaker 1: and I'll even include here as much as he struggled

447
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Speaker 1: on his own right, But it's it's the position they

448
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: put him in, putting them in the boogermobile where he's

449
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: in a seatbelt going fifteen miles an hour up and

450
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Speaker 1: down the sideline, then jump pumping him upstairs and giving

451
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: him no reps to learn how to do that job.

452
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: I totally see where he's coming from. And sometimes the network,

453
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Speaker 1: and I'm not just single out ESPN, it could be

454
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: NFL network, it could be anyone. They deserve more blame

455
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: than the actual individual does. When things go sideways, it's

456
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: like it's like an NFL team that always struggles because

457
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Speaker 1: of bad ownership. And I don't think Money and football

458
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: has had that sort of consistent struggles. But this is

459
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Speaker 1: a percent on the decision makers, the fact that they

460
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Speaker 1: put Witton in that scenario. Uh, and then that that

461
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: it didn't quite work out with Booger. I did want

462
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Speaker 1: to mention one other thing he talked about, which did

463
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Speaker 1: was not related to Monday and Football, but he was

464
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: he was so um coaching on it. I think it

465
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Speaker 1: was important to put out there, which is he was

466
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Speaker 1: really against college football coming back in the fall, and

467
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Speaker 1: he said, it's one thing if you're if you're a

468
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Speaker 1: pro and you're making money and you're making that decision

469
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Speaker 1: that it's like I'm a corporation. I'm going out there,

470
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm feeding my family. It's another totally hypocritical thing

471
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Speaker 1: to say we're gonna social distance the crowd at a

472
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Speaker 1: college football game, but we're gonna make the players play

473
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Speaker 1: for us, and that they're you know, they're playing for

474
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Speaker 1: free obviously, and it's a totally different that they're gonna

475
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Speaker 1: be tackling each other, and there's gonna be a hundred

476
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Speaker 1: people on the sidelines. And if you can, if you

477
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Speaker 1: send your kids to school there, we'll we'll try to

478
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Speaker 1: keep them safe in the crowd or if you want

479
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Speaker 1: to go to the game, But we don't really care

480
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Speaker 1: about these kids that that are out there. And if

481
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Speaker 1: it's like an eight nineteen year old kid, he was

482
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Speaker 1: thinking about his kids, he had a big problem with that.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a really interesting point on the

484
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Speaker 1: difference of thinking about this fall in terms of college

485
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Speaker 1: versus the pros. So many college kids, so because then

486
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Speaker 1: what do you what do you do if you're trying

487
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: to like, you don't want to lose that year of eligibility.

488
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Speaker 1: You don't want obviously they figure out something about eligibility,

489
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Speaker 1: but like, you don't want to use that lose that

490
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Speaker 1: year of athletic activity. If you're trying to make it

491
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Speaker 1: to the league, if you're one of those guys that

492
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Speaker 1: is trying to do this professionally, you can just sit

493
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Speaker 1: on the sideline for a year and expect that then

494
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: you're still gonna be fine trying to get to the league.

495
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Speaker 1: I feel bad for those kids too that would be

496
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Speaker 1: put in that position, not to say, like you play college, right,

497
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Speaker 1: They pulled a bunch of how this would be a

498
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Speaker 1: complicated thing, They pulled a bunch of college players, and

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Speaker 1: I've seen like two or three articles where the vast

500
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Speaker 1: majority want to play. But I think, Greg, you're what what?

501
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Speaker 1: What Booger mentioned is the ethical dilemma in this and

502
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Speaker 1: and sorry, but it applies to the NFL too. I

503
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Speaker 1: don't care about the money or not, you can't. I

504
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: get that it's pro and you want to shove them

505
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Speaker 1: everyone out there in time for training camp, but the

506
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Speaker 1: ethical questions are draped over every one of these sports. Um,

507
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Speaker 1: all right, that's what's happening in the news. Good combo guys. Um.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to our deep dive on the German, Greg,

509
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Speaker 1: it is time now for you to just still everything

510
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Speaker 1: that you've taken out of your projected starter series and

511
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Speaker 1: just for the people that maybe aren't properly educated, what

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Speaker 1: is the projected starters series? Actly? I guess it's self evident,

513
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Speaker 1: but just let people know what you know. NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com slash projected starters. We got all twenty two players

515
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Speaker 1: I think are going to get the most snaps for

516
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Speaker 1: each team, but then with a bunch of notes for

517
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Speaker 1: each team too, which is the part you know that

518
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Speaker 1: I I enjoy. It's one of my favorite things to

519
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Speaker 1: do ever. Mark Sessler liked it, so that's a big good. Yeah,

520
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Speaker 1: it's the little bullet point nuggets that you offer are Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the nuggets. It's uh, it's one of my favorite little

522
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Speaker 1: things we do every year. So the article that jumps out,

523
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Speaker 1: by the way, is there one of one piece, maybe

524
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: non Browns related, that jumps out to you? I thought,

525
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Speaker 1: for instance, he did a really nice job on the

526
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Speaker 1: Giants who were going to dig into today and talked

527
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Speaker 1: about some of the you know, the Giants have a

528
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: lot of issues, and Greg is skillful at um, you know,

529
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Speaker 1: exposing some of those issues, but not dropping a bomb

530
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Speaker 1: on the g men at the same What would be

531
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Speaker 1: an issue that you read in that article that Greg

532
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Speaker 1: kind of trying to say he doesn't believe you that

533
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Speaker 1: you actually read you know what, Mark sent me a

534
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Speaker 1: text like three weeks ago at least he was reading

535
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Speaker 1: one of them and made some comments I could bear

536
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Speaker 1: you Dan, Yeah, Dan, that is it's talking about ethical issues.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you are You're dipping them all day long,

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00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, get to it. Greg, you're gonna give

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Speaker 1: us sixty seconds of how I don't. Yeah, we'll do

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00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: sixty seconds of just some takeaways and that's enough. And

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Speaker 1: who's gonna Are you gonna do a clock? Erica? Who's

542
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: doing it? Because I need to be cut off or

543
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: else it'll just go on forever, all right, Ricky, put

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Speaker 1: him on the clock for sixty seconds, and Greg, whenever

545
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: you're ready, let it rip. Okay, here we go. The

546
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys defensive line has one player returning that had over

547
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty snaps on the team last year.

548
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: That that seems like a problem. I'd be a little

549
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: worried about the Cowboys defense. The Raiders are the team

550
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Speaker 1: that doing this exercise. I think I liked more after

551
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: doing it. I think they're the second best team in

552
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: the NFC West. Uh No quarterback in the league. I

553
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: think if you look at the whole situation, offensive line, coach, receivers, everything,

554
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone has a worse situation than

555
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. I mean, he is set up to fail.

556
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater love him in fantasy leagues this year. Their

557
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: secondary is so bad after Dante Jackson they're gonna give

558
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: up a ton of points. I like the weapons around them,

559
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to score a ton. Uh. Steelers take

560
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: their top five on the defensive line, in their their

561
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: front seven, that's the best top five in the league.

562
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: Heyward to it? What dupree? Who am I forgetting Bush?

563
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: That's a good little bo jillip rivers best offensive line

564
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: he's ever played with. And I like the Colts defensive

565
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: line too. So if you're win in the trenches, I

566
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: love the Colts this year. And then if we're running

567
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: out of time here, Uh, how about the Colt the

568
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: Rams secondary and the Texans offensive line. They both stunk

569
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: last year and they brought back all the same players.

570
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: That's not a good thing? Is that? That feels good?

571
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: Times up? I edited at my Patriots Homer take just

572
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: for you guys. Do you feel educated, lindsay, after that relaxed,

573
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: like I'm at a bar or something like. Music really

574
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: nice during the sixty second thing, which it felt very stressful,

575
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: and then so this is nice to come down. Well,

576
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I would say, if you want, if you're looking for

577
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: any constructive criticism there, when you started naming people on

578
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: the Steelers defensive line, in front seven that really hurts you.

579
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: That costs seven or eight seconds easily. That's that's fair.

580
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: I think it's good. Though then people know who you

581
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: know who I'm talking about. But you're right. What was

582
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: your Patriots Homer take? I'm just curious, Um, you know that? Uh,

583
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: they've got I think you could argue pretty strong. They've

584
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: got a top five offensive line, a top five secondary,

585
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: and the greatest you know, coaching history. So let's let's

586
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: stop talking about them as they're crazy talent for those

587
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: are important parts of your team, offensive line and secondary.

588
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: It's fair ten at six. I don't know that's a

589
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: little optimistic, but why not see that? I gotta see

590
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: what did him looks like? All right, it's time. It's

591
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: time to continue the wheel of teams. The New York

592
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: Giants is where it landed on Monday. So a little background. Oh,

593
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: the Dream established nineteen twenty five, eight NFL championships, five

594
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearances, four victories. The last appearance two thousand

595
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: and twelve, will win over the Patriots super Bowl forty six.

596
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: They went four and twelve in two thousand nineteen, and

597
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: they're coached by Joe Judge, who's in his first season

598
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: with the team. Yes, the Giants are starting over. And

599
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: to join us in this conversation, we welcome in a

600
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: man who serves as an NFL columnist for Newsday. He's

601
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: a the author of Guts and Genius, a great deep

602
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: dive into pro football during the Reagan era, as I

603
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: call it. Some people just say eighties, but I like

604
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: to give it that a little extra flair and let

605
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: us not forget. I know Sessler hasn't. This man is

606
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: also the president of the Pro Football Writers of America.

607
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Bob Glouber. I mean, I mean, we

608
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: bring you on, Glauber, and your phone is ringing. This

609
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Speaker 1: isn't This isn't helping your case that Maybe you know

610
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: that your demographic it's a little older than ours. Maybe

611
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: he had his wife do that to give him like

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00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: a rap rap sheet thing there. I'm like, who who

613
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: is that? I mean, come on, it's you know it

614
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: was another old time. Were Neil Best? Okay? Okay, I

615
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: know Neil Best, great great TV columnists from Newsday? I mean,

616
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: what is he? Just guys of a hot take on

617
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Mike and the Mad Dog. Come on? I was answering

618
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: the phone Glauber. This is just pathetic, just sad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a Newsmakers, He's okay. You respect Neil more than us.

620
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: What is going on, Bob? Well, I had to take

621
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: his call because he would have kept calling. You want

622
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: to keep getting interrupted, the show out of nowhere. So

623
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: it's a big, big event for him to silence. How

624
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: many years turn it off? How many years Bobby, you've

625
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: been covering New York sports and the pro football scene? Where? Well,

626
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: what are we up to New York sports? I've been

627
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: covering since nineteen nine. Wow, I started in seventy nine,

628
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: covered covered them in the Stanley Cup years and then

629
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: football started in So you've seen a lot twinkle in

630
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: your daddy's eye. I wouldn't go that far. Well, actually, yes,

631
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: when you started, Bob, that was exactly there. I was

632
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: a twinkle. Yeah, so no, I I was, I was born.

633
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: But um, I will say that you hit the New

634
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: York football scene at the exact right time. Oh my goodness,

635
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm mark. I'm telling you. I am grateful to have

636
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: started then because it could have been eighty three that

637
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: you know. But but they were starting to get good

638
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: at giants were starting to get good. The Jets were

639
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: good at that time, and the Bill Parcels era was spectacular,

640
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: and it was incredibly memorable, not only for fans and

641
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: for football enthusiasts, but for journalists. No better training than

642
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: to be in a Bill Parcels press conference and get

643
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: leaked on relentlessly and continuously, but to the point where

644
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: I can I can now call this man and say, hey,

645
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: how are you doing. You know, he was quite a

646
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: character and it was very It was tough. It was

647
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: very challenging as a journalist, believe it or not, because

648
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he was into it. He

649
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: would he would challenge you big time. But it was

650
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: it was great. He's my I would say he's my

651
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: favorite football personality ever, and I'm biased because of my

652
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: New York ties and his run with the Jets, but

653
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: in general, no matter where he's been to me, he

654
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: was always such a compelling figure and his personality. He's

655
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: such a Jersey guy. It was all. It was all

656
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: like what you see is what you get with Parcels.

657
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have a oh, and you could read more

658
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: about it, as Bob points out with a shameless plug

659
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: on guts and genius and guts and genius. Bob's book

660
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: you released last year. All right, let's get into it, Bob.

661
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: Let's get into the president. The Giants are starting over

662
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: mostly you're the same GM Dave Gentleman, but a new

663
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: head coach and a new franchise quarterback and Daniel Jones

664
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: entering his first full season as starter. Uh, what what

665
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: are your kind of what's your general feel around this

666
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: team right now? Does it feel like almost a weight

667
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: has been lifted off them now that he lies out

668
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: out of the building and they're able to kind of

669
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: move forward as a organization as good as Eli was

670
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: to that team. Yeah, No, I think that's a fair point, Dan,

671
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: and I think there is something to that, you know,

672
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: that had to be a logical conclusion to the end

673
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: of his career. I think it happened much sooner last

674
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: year than anybody could have expected. It made a little

675
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: bit awkward after just two games they go to Daniel Jones.

676
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: Certainly made it awkward for Eli Manning. And as as

677
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones admitted a couple of weeks ago, he made

678
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: it awkward, it made it awkward for him too. I

679
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: I found, you know, Daniel Jones is extremely guarded. I

680
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: mean he makes Eli look like Jerry Seinfeldt because Niels

681
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: very careful. Eli love seinfeld so he'd appreciate that. But

682
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: Daniels very very careful. But you know, for him to

683
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: admit that it was awkward, I thought was pretty striking. Now,

684
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: of course Eli himself said yeah, it was kind of awkward,

685
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: So I think Daniel agreed with it. But you know,

686
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: you you have to look at this now as Okay,

687
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: this is Daniel owns this team. There's no question and

688
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: that and that's a good thing for moving forward. You

689
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: have a new coach, you have a coach who's now

690
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: calling Daniel Jones by his name, So that's progress and

691
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: they can move on. I was listening to Judge refused

692
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: to call players by their first name for quite a while,

693
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: and I think I think that might have continued. Have

694
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: we not had this interruption, because that was that was

695
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: part of his deal, just to earn your spot. And

696
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: you talk about playing it close to the vest, Judge,

697
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: seems it seems pretty tight, you know, tightly wound. Daniel

698
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: Jones is Jason Garrett. You don't really think of it

699
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: as like a guy who's to loose. It's the New

700
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: York Media and it's asking Garrett too integrate. You know,

701
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: this new he's gonna be installing a new offense, an

702
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: offensive line where everyone's changing. I guess Nate Soldiers may

703
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: be going to play right tackle. They have a rookie

704
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: at left tackle. We'll see. You know, it's not a

705
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: bad looking group. Actually the line looks pretty good on

706
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: decent on paper. Um, but any concern about the way

707
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: this offense is going to be able to ramp up

708
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: with like all these new pieces all kind of getting

709
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: together and not being able to be on the field

710
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: right now, any concerned, I would say, you know, dep

711
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: coom three because you know, started with the fact that

712
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: everyone's new and in they have not been together ever

713
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: as a team. So, you know, Joe Judge I think

714
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: has one of the hardest jobs in the NFL this year,

715
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: but you know, competing in a market that's really intense.

716
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: I've been impressed with the way he's handled himself, if

717
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: you can be impressed, you know, from a distance, because

718
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think he gets it. I

719
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: think he's not you know, he's tightly wound. But I

720
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: don't think he's tight, you know, I think he is.

721
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: He's got composure about him. Now he's gonna get intense

722
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: during games. He got intense during games with the Patriots

723
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: as an assistant, So he's gonna get intense, um and

724
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: appear tight. But I think he has good vision for

725
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: what he wants from his team and I think, you know,

726
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: he'll handle it. But Okay, it's gonna be an incredible

727
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: work in progress. Second year quarterback, first year full year

728
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: as a starter, new offensive line, UM, similar weapons. You

729
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: do have sa Kwon Barkley, So there's continuation there. But man,

730
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: for the most part, uh, this is gonna be. This

731
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: is gonna take a while. When when you look at

732
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: Dave Gettelman in the in the team building, you know,

733
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: experience like there there's a a belief out there by

734
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: something that if you don't see a front office really

735
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: flipping the switch by year three, that you've got issues.

736
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: And the Giants um have won what twelve games and

737
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: they'll past three seasons. That said, I think to me,

738
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: I Gettleman feels a little bit like too easy of

739
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: a whipping boy at times, and I get that. You know,

740
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: he's a he's a bit countercultural and um, you know,

741
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to know how to turn on a laptop

742
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: at times, things like that, and people have their fun

743
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: with that. But you look at their draft and I

744
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: think that Andrew Thomas, I mean, forget what the media thinks.

745
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: A lot of people that Andrew Thomas was a perfect

746
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: pick for them right there. Xavier McKinney, the safety they

747
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: got is being compared to Minka Fitzpatrick. So I think

748
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: they had one of the better drafts in the NFC.

749
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: But do you trust um from where from where you

750
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: sit Dave Gettleman as a team builder in t versus

751
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand or something. Is he building a

752
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: team from modern football? Yeah, that's a fair question, um,

753
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: Mark and I and I think the answer is I'm

754
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: not sure. Um. I think there are pieces with this team.

755
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: I think there is some semblance of cohesion. Now the

756
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker we haven't talked about that. You know that

757
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: situation is going to impact potentially extremely negatively on Dave

758
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: Gentleman because lets phasically traded up three picks to get

759
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: a player who might not be with the team. There

760
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: are questions about Baker going into the draft. I mean

761
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of why he was there at number thirty. Yes, yes,

762
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: there were questions. I don't know that there were any

763
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: questions to the level of something that allegedly happened, right, So,

764
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: in fairness, I don't know that the concerns rose to

765
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: that level. But that said, you know, it's that's on

766
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: him and this is a bottom line business and he's

767
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: got to take the hit for that if we find

768
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: out that that this is a player that's not going

769
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: to be with the team. So I think there are

770
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: elements of the team that have come together Mark, and

771
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, building the offensive line, like

772
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: he said at the draft, you know, we finally got

773
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: to get this right, all right, and I think they've

774
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: gone a long way towards getting it right. You may

775
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: see Solder at right tackle right now, it's Thomas at

776
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: right tackle on the depth chart, and then Solder at

777
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: at left tackle, and he's coming off an admittedly bad year.

778
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: It's some personal issues with his child um that we're

779
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: happening at the same time. So, you know, there are

780
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: some pieces here and there are some building blocks, but

781
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: I think there's genuine concerned that you know, is Gettleman

782
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: a modern day general manager who can kind of adapt

783
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: to today's world with a little bit of a you know,

784
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: Stegasaurus Burger type. Look at you know how football is

785
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: built from the lines out, you know, the big men,

786
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: and that's all well and good, but it's a different

787
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: game now, and it's a totally different game. Well here,

788
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: it's a big year for him. Here's an optimistic spin

789
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: on this, bob. And you tell me if if it's

790
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: a little too pie in this guy. So Daniel Jones

791
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: certainly flashed last year as a rookie, and I know

792
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: that you could definitely get on him for lack of

793
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: ball security, but you know, you imagine that in year

794
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: two he could button up some of those issues. Say

795
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley when healthy, is arguably the best running back

796
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: in the league. Their wide receiver group. While it doesn't

797
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: like jump out and conversations of the best triplets in

798
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: the league. I like Golden Tate as a player, Sterling Shepard,

799
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: we've always loved if he could stay on the field,

800
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: And Darius Slayton kind of broke out last year as

801
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: a nice draft pick there when given opportunities. And then

802
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram another guy that yes he's had injury issues,

803
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: but an explosive playmaker went on the field. How hard

804
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: do you really have to squint? Honestly? And the offensive line,

805
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: obviously we were talking about that question marks there, but

806
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: they did address that with three draft picks and including

807
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: the big man in four overall. I mean, how hard

808
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: you have to squint to see this as a potentially

809
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: not just like proficient offense, but a very good offense.

810
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: I think it's potentially in play here crazy very good offense.

811
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could see flashes. Um, I

812
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: need to see more consistency from Daniel Jones. You mentioned

813
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: ball security, fumbling was a problem. He's working on that

814
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: new off season. Um, you know, I think was stopped.

815
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: How good you're running back is he? You know teams

816
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: can stop that. And the receivers, I say, you know,

817
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: good not great. I love Shephard and Slayton was a

818
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: nice surprise, and Golden Tate is a good possession receiver.

819
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: You don't have a true homelun hitter, Okay, you can

820
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: live without that. And Ingram is Ingram sat embarkment time explosiveness, right,

821
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: But I don't know. You put that all together and

822
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: you have a new system, a new offense, a new

823
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and a new offensive line. That's that's an

824
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: awful lot. I thinke talent. Yes, on paper, it's there,

825
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't know. I'm not looking at

826
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: a playoff offense in my mind just yet. I'm with you, Dan,

827
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: though I don't think you have to. I don't think

828
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: you have to squint that hard, Mike. My bigger concern

829
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: is is Garrett is um whether they have the coach

830
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: to take advantage of being explosive, or whether he's just

831
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna want to run the ball like crazy like he

832
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: talks about, and whether they're gonna take advantage of all

833
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: these guys, whether he's the guy to develop Daniel Jones

834
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe he'll prove me wrong there, but they

835
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: just sound like they want to play it close to

836
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: the vest. Where I'm with you, Dan, that they have

837
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: enough weapons that actually I think they should take advantage

838
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: of that because they're gonna have to their defense. The

839
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm rambling a little bit here, but the defense looks

840
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: terrible on paper, and they have a coordinator who's never

841
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: done anything, Patrick Graham, who's coming from Miami, so that

842
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: to be is the bigger concerned that if Baker has

843
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: gone that maybe is the worst secondary in the entire NFL,

844
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: and you don't really have many natural pass rushers and

845
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: you have a coach that's never done anything, so you're

846
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to score some points I think to keep

847
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: up with his defense. Yeah, welcome to Giants in right. No, seriously,

848
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's that's that's a huge problem. I remember

849
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, you know, towards the end of his run,

850
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: just before they were consistently bad and and you felt

851
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: it was time for a change. But he had to

852
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: coach differently. He had to take far more chances on offense,

853
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: and he went for fourth downs more than he usually did.

854
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: But because he had a defense that couldn't stop anybody.

855
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: And remember the last year that after after he left,

856
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: they went on a spending binge and free agency got

857
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: in Olivier, Vernon, Snacks, Harrison, so they got they built

858
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: their defense. But you have to coach differently when you

859
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: can't stop anybody. And that's what hurt last year. If

860
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: at Schremer had to be much more aggressive, and it

861
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: burned him. Let me ask you this real quick. I

862
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: mean Giants ownership, and you know, and and Dan mentioned

863
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: he grew up in in Giants, Uh you know towns.

864
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: I I grew up watching the Giants. It's the first

865
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: team I remember, and they just had this um undeniable

866
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: identity with Parcels and with Belichick and their defensive staff

867
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: and and and right up through Coughlin. I mean, they

868
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: just were the Giants, and they were a different type

869
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: of football team than anything else out there. They seem

870
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: to have zero identity at the moment on defense at least.

871
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: And this ownership group, I mean, I know they've been

872
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: annoyed obviously with what's happened the last couple of years.

873
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: How patient will they be with Joe Judge if it's

874
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna take you know, this season is going to be rough,

875
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: potentially with no real training camp, if that's how it

876
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: plays out. But let's say they struggle, you know, for

877
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: a year or two. Is Joe Judge gonna get the

878
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: one two year deal and you're done? Or they are

879
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: they committed to really like seeing this through for once

880
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: there has been so much turnover there. Yeah, that's a

881
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: fair question, and I think the answer is Joe Judge

882
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: gets at least two or three years of you know,

883
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: like there's gonna be no problem with that because they

884
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: really truly believe that they have a good young coach

885
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: who can last a long time. I think Getleman is

886
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: the guy who would be on the hot seat if

887
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: they go south record wise, I think there would be

888
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: no problem making a change there that they would. They

889
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: would do that and hope that someone else coming in

890
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: as a general because they do like that structure of

891
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: general manager. They don't want to make Joe Judge into

892
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick in terms of giving him all the authority

893
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: with personnel, so I think they will be patient with him.

894
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: They're aware of it. John Mara is aware of it,

895
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: you know. He grew up John Era. I've known him,

896
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, since eighty five and went before he was

897
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: like the lead executive of this team, and it was

898
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: good to kind of see him, um, just as an

899
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: everyman type person. And he lived with he lived with

900
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: heartache growing up because when he grew up, his father's

901
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: teams were terrible. John marriage did not want to go

902
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: to school like Wellington had to force him to go

903
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: to school on Monday mornings after a terrible loss. And

904
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: John was afraid his classmates would make fun of him.

905
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: So I mean that's ingrained in him. He's impatient and

906
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: he's driven, um, But I think that he will give

907
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: Joe Judge the benefit of time because he feels like

908
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: he found somebody that he can win with over a

909
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: long period of time, and I think he's willing to

910
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: go through the um, the inevitable ups and downs that

911
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: that you have with a first year coach. The trick is,

912
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: though you know Gettleman, if he's on the hot seat,

913
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: then you've just fallen into this cycle again where it's

914
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: like the coach and the GM didn't come in at

915
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: the same time, and they're not a line and that's

916
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: the Giants used to say, they were sort of above that.

917
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, we keep coaches for a long time, we

918
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: keep GM. The gms at this point still have like

919
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: a Giant's lineage. But that then you're falling into some

920
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: of the troubles that some really bad franchises get into.

921
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: So it's like you almost have to keep Gettleman at

922
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: this point if Judge is there and and see it out,

923
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: even even if it doesn't make a lot of sense.

924
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: You only get to have coaches that hang around for

925
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: a long time if you hire the right coach in

926
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: the first place. Exactly nailing that with lately, see, I

927
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: think you'll be able to see what you know what judges.

928
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: Even this year, maybe you'll see it even more because

929
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: of the challenges. But I see what you're saying, Greg.

930
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: The coach GM thing is really important. It's really hard,

931
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: and I think the Giants had a long run where

932
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: they just had George Young didn't have to worry about it.

933
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: George hires Ernie a Corsi, trains him up the way

934
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: he you know, sees fit. Ernie builds a Super Bowl

935
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: roster that Jerry Reese inherits, and Jerry Reese was the

936
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: last scout hired by George Young, so there was the

937
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: uninterrupted line of succession from Envy nine through the end

938
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: of the Jerry Reese era a couple of years ago.

939
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: That was. And then you know, you could say that Gettleman.

940
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: Gettleman was, yes, but he wasn't hired by George this

941
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: George Young direct legacy, and yet Gettleman is part of

942
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: that franchise. Earlier on he was more of a Coughlin guy. So, um, yeah,

943
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't. They love the structure of GM

944
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: and coach and probably lost them Bill Parcels in ninety

945
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: because of that, because he and George Young didn't get along.

946
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: But they liked that structure and if it doesn't work,

947
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: You're right, they will have to make some adjustments. But

948
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: I don't think there is the kind of loyalty to

949
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman in the Giants front office that there was

950
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: with George Young certainly, and Ernie a Corsi and to

951
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: a lesser degree, Jerry Reese. I just don't think I

952
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: think they would make a move sooner. Bob pivoting before

953
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: we say goodbye, and like just to see where we're at.

954
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: We're where we're at right now. You are, of course,

955
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: the president of the Pro Football Writers of America. It's

956
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: been a it's been a sore spot for a certain

957
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: member of this podcast. I'll point out a smart Sessler

958
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: that we are not members of this esteemed group. Is

959
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: there any movement on this front from the pres uh

960
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: to get us involved with your great organization? First of all,

961
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to Mark as I should. Mark,

962
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: can we talk at the combine? And you did? You did,

963
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: and that felt like about twenty two years ago, But

964
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: I do you You made a point of wanting to

965
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: have a discussion. He he, he did his Usually he's like,

966
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: we'll do it on the podcast. I'm not I'm not

967
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: doing this unless it's content. Sorry, that's the sound Mark

968
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: Roll first of all. And I part of and I'm

969
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: imagining what am I gonna tell Mark? And here's part

970
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: of it. And I was gonna hope to save this

971
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: for a private conversation, but let's be out in the open.

972
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: We at the Combine several years ago, I said, you

973
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: chuckle heads have a good chemistry, all right. Yes it

974
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: is the back of the press room at the Lucas

975
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: Oil Stadium. I said, there's something about you. You guys

976
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: are big in London. For God's sake, you attract crowds

977
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: at London pubs, at least that's what your Twitter says, right,

978
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: nationally famous. Why do you give up anything? You know?

979
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Why do you care about this? I mean, I see myself,

980
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, I have a little bit of shared DNA

981
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan where I'm just looking for that that

982
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: one thing that can get me motivated. And sometimes it's

983
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: got to be something that you know, positive motive, Positive

984
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: reinforcement doesn't do it with me. I's got to be

985
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: something that gets me riled up. And um, you know

986
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: this didn't start with you. You've at least attempted to,

987
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: uh address the topic. It was some previous presidents Trotter

988
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: blew us off with a letter, Well, you know, and

989
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: I and really it's nice to get to know him

990
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: since and I see that that probably was just the

991
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: machinations of how it all works. I'm sure he didn't

992
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: sit down and make that letter. But let's just say,

993
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I give globbery a lot of

994
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: credit for reaching out and addressing the issue. Here's the

995
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: here's the the answer, Bob. I think it's because you

996
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, capital j journos in your ivory towers. You're

997
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: looking at You're looking at, oh these podcast bozos, and

998
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: oh they work for the NFL. They must be just biased.

999
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: They're not the locker rooms, they don't pound the pavement.

1000
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: They haven't paid their dues so they can they can

1001
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: get all the London fans they want. Doesn't mean they

1002
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: have integrity. I think that's what you're you know, covertly

1003
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: saying to us. Put it out in the open, Hey,

1004
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: what's up. Um No, that's Greig. If I if I

1005
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: didn't think you had integrity, shame on me. Come on,

1006
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: there is there is a there's a bit of there's

1007
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: a line, there's a line of demarcation, and that line

1008
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: is still it's it's it's it's a pretty strong line.

1009
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: So Mark, we're just gonna have to exist on the

1010
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: outside the fringes of the staff of the establishment. That's

1011
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: what it sounds like. Yeah, you see, this is good though.

1012
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: You guys are like the outsiders, right, we operate in

1013
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: the shadows, and we will continue to make Hey we're

1014
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: the outsiders. Man, We're gonna we're gonna come in there

1015
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: and kick some but yeah, the bad boys, that's what

1016
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: we are. Um, Bob, you said it all. Thank you

1017
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: for giving us the insight, and um, I hope your

1018
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: family and friends all staying healthy during these trying times.

1019
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: And it was just great to see you and great

1020
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: to hear you. Great. My mother, my mother beat it man,

1021
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: she beat COVID did that's awesome, Bob. That's good. Well,

1022
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: that's great, that's great to hear. There you go, Mama Glauber, Mama,

1023
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: Mama Gloubs got it done. Alright. Well, best wishes to

1024
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: mom as well. Thank you, Bob for talking some giants

1025
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: football there and what's let's end our little giants chat

1026
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: guys with a little over under, I'm got card here,

1027
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: Giants seven and a half winds under strong under, I'm

1028
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: going over. I think they will be eight and eight. Wow. See,

1029
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you. I'm taking the over here.

1030
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see the NFC East as this

1031
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: like incredible division that's gonna have teams that are gonna

1032
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: be soaring. I think it's gonna be a dog fight,

1033
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: and I think the Giants gonna be able to hang

1034
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: in this division. I really do our East Coast bias,

1035
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: but we're sticking with it. Alright. What about let's go say,

1036
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley over under two thousand yards total yards, it's

1037
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: the right number. I'm gonna just say under because that's

1038
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: it's so awesome that trying to expect that out of

1039
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: a Jason Garrett back. But it's certainly possible. But I'll

1040
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: go under. I'll go under. But I wonder what Bob thinks.

1041
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: I'll go under on on everything. I mean, you're the

1042
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: guys who say, hey, they don't have to squint to

1043
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: see see greatness there, Rosie, all of a sudden, I

1044
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: take the under. Well, yeah, I just think it's it's

1045
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: an awful lot to ask of a first year coach

1046
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: with no work with his players in the entire off season.

1047
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: The first time he gets together might be training camp

1048
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: to come in cold seven and a half man, that's a.

1049
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: That's a that's a pretty big number. Given those circumstances,

1050
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: and given that defense which we talked about, they haven't

1051
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: been together. It's tough to do things you've never done before,

1052
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: like having a zoom call with with a guest like

1053
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: Bob Glabber, where Dan tries to say like eight to

1054
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: the guest mid convo, but then he's still on the

1055
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: video and then we bring you back in, like we

1056
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: don't know what we're doing. We thought we thought we

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00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: were signing off. But I want Bob the whole show.

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00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: Let's keep him. You guys can get kicked me off

1059
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: just just well, we can't. We can't do it when

1060
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: you're just sitting there a while, you know, if you're

1061
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: just watching, that's where it's you know, I'll go off

1062
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm grateful to be with the heroes. My

1063
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: best to West and Link and yeah, alright, thank you,

1064
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: love that man, Thank you to Bob Glabber. And before

1065
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: we say goodbye, let's welcome back Lindsay Rhodes and also

1066
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: welcome in some people that we love. All right, so

1067
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: thank you to Bob Glauber. That was awesome. Uh. But

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00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: now as we tease something that we've been waiting all

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00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: week for, we want to see what the updated Westling

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00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: clan looks like. So here they are of the first

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00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: time on the podcast. There's Lakisha, Chris Westling and baby Link.

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00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: Look at that Lincoln just he's got an eye for

1073
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: the camera. He's lightening it up. This is a blesy

1074
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: courtesy of his Nannar Rhoda. What is this? Pass the

1075
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: podcast day? And I got your back? And I also,

1076
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: I have to say, is someone that's known for his

1077
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: hair on this podcast? Lincoln looks like he might be

1078
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: coming for the throne. Look at that full head of hair. Well,

1079
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: this guy's six days old. He didn't get it from

1080
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: me Howling. Yeah, what's going on over there? Um? Exhausted

1081
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: that's the keyword. I feel like a zombie. Um. I

1082
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: don't know how people with two kids do it, because

1083
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: one it's like Chris, I feel like fifty diapers a

1084
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: day and I'm either feeding, but it's all worth it. Well,

1085
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: we had that whole it's over for the Westlings thing

1086
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: where everybody told us we wouldn't have a social life

1087
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: and we you know, and we were like, no, it'll

1088
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: be different, and everybody kind of patted us on the

1089
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: head like that's cute. That's cute. You think you're gonna

1090
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: be different. And now it's like when you come up

1091
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: for air. It's about eighteen years from now. Lasted like

1092
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: four days before giving up on all that. Oh man, yeah,

1093
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: well this in terms of sleep. You know, did you're

1094
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: recovering from birth and a surgery. Keisha, it'll get eat,

1095
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: it'll get better. And disclaimer if I cry, I'm sorry.

1096
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: I cried everything now. I don't know how long that

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00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: will last. I would like to be my normal self

1098
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: again one day, but right now everything makes me cry.

1099
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: We were watching a show last night on the Smithsonian

1100
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: channel about the Mississippi River and they were talking about beavers.

1101
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: The parents work up to twenty hours a day and

1102
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: Keisha's like, I here, y'all feel like a damn b man.

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00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: Oh this is amazing. Look at that so well behaved too.

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00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: He's just totally chilling right now. You're not even asking

1105
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: the right questions. Dan, like, as he sleep are you

1106
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: guys sleeping? Chris, are you getting up? I just want

1107
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: to hear them. I just talk to me, Erica. It

1108
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: is hard as f um me. Maybe Lindsay can give

1109
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: me some tips. I can't sleep when he sleeps because

1110
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm constantly getting up to make sure like he's breathing,

1111
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: so I can hardly ever sleep and I'm constantly telling

1112
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: waking him up to you know, you know, feak not

1113
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: feed him but changes diaper because they don't give him

1114
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: to me to feed. But it's just like I can't

1115
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: get any sleep. I'm guessing you guys all went through this,

1116
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: but it's hard to get excited during the pregnancy. At

1117
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: least it was for me because he's not in my

1118
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: body and then you meet him and then you're excited.

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00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: You know. I can't. The phrase over the moon has

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00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: been in my vocabulary. It seems like everyone else's vocabulary.

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01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: Everybody's over in the moon in Australia. They're chuffed, chuffed

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01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: for you mate, that Chris super excited. I'm just like,

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01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? Yeah? They're super cute. Yeah,

1124
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: so cute. It's stupid. You look tired, yeah, yeah, West

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01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted to pass on that don't have a

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01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: flashbacks that aren't necessarily great. If you got tips, um,

1127
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: I would appreciate them. I used the little Sully wrap

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01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: yesterday and that was a game changer because usually I'm

1129
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: just stuck on the couch. Like we moved our whole

1130
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: operation into the living room. He's on one in the

1131
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: couch and another in the couch. You've got the bass

1132
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: net in there and just that's where our set up is.

1133
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: And I'm just stuck in the couch all the time

1134
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: with him, I'm a boob. Yesterday I got to use

1135
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: the Sully wrap and actually get up in Western l

1136
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: Man for the bedroom. It's all the bed and I

1137
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I got emotional, like I remember that

1138
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: thing I used to sleep there. Yeah. Um, well time

1139
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: poops and peas all the time. Well, how has it

1140
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: been getting back home? Because you were you were at

1141
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: the hospital for five days and West was there without

1142
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: being able to leave, which is a unique experience I

1143
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: think for the dad because of COVID. So how has

1144
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: it been getting back to your house? I know, you guys,

1145
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 1: you know in another world maybe your mom Keisha would

1146
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: be there. Um, so you're not getting some of the

1147
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: help that it's some other mom again. But like, how

1148
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: has it been since you got back home. It's been, Sorry,

1149
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: I told you a crowd at everything. It's been. Our

1150
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: neighbor stopped out a lot. It really sucks. And having

1151
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: my mom here to help. She's gonna be um flying

1152
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: out at some point soon because um the Longs JV.

1153
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: Longs they have um a little guest house in their

1154
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: backyard and they're gonna let her quarantine out there, um

1155
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: so she can be to help us and stuff. But

1156
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about our neighbors. They've been dropping

1157
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: off food, um yesterday, are direct next to our neighbor

1158
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: of the Palmers. They dropped off appetisers. I think of

1159
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: what's six o'clock dinner at seven, um eight, Like, it's

1160
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: just they've all just been so wonderful because they know

1161
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: the situation that we're in right now. So it's kind

1162
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 1: of like happening a little extended family that you didn't

1163
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: know that you had. It's kind of weird for me

1164
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: because I have five younger brothers, so I did all

1165
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: this stuff. But it was in the nineteen eighties and

1166
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: the technology and baby hare is like so different compared

1167
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: to what we grew up with, and during the process

1168
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: the last nine months, I'm like, oh, you don't need

1169
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: all that stuff, Like you know, all these new fangled

1170
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: parents with their gadgets. We need all of it. I

1171
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: mean all of this. It's a battle we're fighting. It's

1172
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: a war, and we need all the weaponry we can get.

1173
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: I like getting the West update on baby technology innovation.

1174
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't respect that that one. Yeah, I mean,

1175
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: like the car seats, the strollers, the bouncy toys, everything

1176
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: so much different than it was. He's finally napping. Took

1177
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: a nap in his bounty today. That was a life changer.

1178
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: I got to get so much stuff done during that time.

1179
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: But then I also have to keep again checking on

1180
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: him because producted an amount of time. I freak out,

1181
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm always constantly putting my hand on his nearest face,

1182
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: being like do I feel anything. Okay, he's still breathing.

1183
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: We're good, We're good. Six days, we're doing good, very

1184
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: normal young parents stuff. I remember doing all that and

1185
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: I just kind of put a button on it. You said,

1186
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: when when do you come up for air? That's that's

1187
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: really hard to say. I don't know. I mean from

1188
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: this phase, this newborn phase. Maybe it will take you know,

1189
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: a few weeks, a few weeks, a few months, whatever.

1190
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: But in another way, I feel like we still haven't

1191
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: in our house come up for air since the first

1192
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 1: baby landed. It's just it's a game changer. I guess

1193
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: you know what, you're living underwater in some ways at that. Yeah, yeah,

1194
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: that's pretty common. But he's a beautiful boy. And we

1195
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: are so happy for you, guys. Probably let you get

1196
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: back to your parenting and your poop cleaning and you're

1197
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: checking for breathing and all that great fun young parents stuff.

1198
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: Congratulations and uh, enjoy this special time. All right, thanks guys,

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01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: Love you, guys, Love you, Lincoln, love you. We have

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01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: another boy in the family. Unbelievable for five boys and

1201
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: one girl. Yeah, poor poor elis my daughter, you know,

1202
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: she needs she needs another uh another pal, maybe you know,

1203
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: another girl pal. Maybe maybe Wesley and kid number two.

1204
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: The problem with them coming up for air for three years, well,

1205
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: we don't even want to We don't want to get

1206
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: it number We don't we even get into Dan's predictions

1207
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: of June, June, June, when this next one might be coming. Oh,

1208
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: it's coming. It's now is not the time, lindsay your

1209
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: final thoughts on motherhood thing, Uh, that quarantine might actually

1210
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: be kind of an added bonus for them because while

1211
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: her mom can like you want those types of people around.

1212
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: One of the things that I remember as a new

1213
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: parent is when people would come visit, I was like,

1214
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: I will never do this to someone again because they

1215
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: just come visit and they want to see the baby. Like,

1216
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: if you want to go visit a brand new baby,

1217
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: bring either food or do something when you're there, because

1218
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: it's just time that the mother or father don't have

1219
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: to just sit and visit. I remember always being like,

1220
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: I really wants for you, but like the fact that

1221
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: there's downtime right now, I have to sleep, and this

1222
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: is stressing out that we're not. I'm not sleeping during

1223
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: this time. So they cut out all of the people

1224
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: who just want to come in and see the big

1225
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: bay that don't have time for So that's a win

1226
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: and and Ulkisa's mom coming a little later is not

1227
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: the worst. One thing I thought about was you know,

1228
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: moms and help and they're always there for it's always

1229
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: there the first two or three, four weeks, whatever it is.

1230
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: But you're in the exact same situation in month to three,

1231
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: four or five. So it's fine if if the mom

1232
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: comes out a little later for a month, like you

1233
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: need to help just as much in month three pretty

1234
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: much as month one, So it's okay. Spread it out. Um,

1235
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: all right, Lindsay you've come in and you've done it again.

1236
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: M hm, you've done it again, Linda, you said it all.

1237
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: You've done it all, and we every time you're on

1238
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: the show, we love it and it's a lot of fun.

1239
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: So thank you again for joining the Around the NFL podcast,

1240
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: one of the great friends of the show. Than technological

1241
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: disadvantages and all, yes, but what we we survived it

1242
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: and we will be back on Friday with you Around

1243
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: the NFL broadcast on NFL Network. Make sure you check

1244
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: that out six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific, with some

1245
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: re airrings throughout the weekends. Set your DVRs, support the

1246
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: show if you can, and and on this podcast, how

1247
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: about over on iTunes leave five stars in a review

1248
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: that always helps us as well, and check out the

1249
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: Around the NFL subreddit. Uh, this is Dan hands a

1250
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: signing off for a quiet storm. The mail, well not

1251
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: the mail met well, Yes, the Maile Metals here, Lakeisha, Lincoln,

1252
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: the Old Fox, Lindsay Rhodes, and of course Ricky Hollywood

1253
01:07:16,480 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: in West Hollywood until Friday, m