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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number see

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Speaker 1: saying the show, My co host Dan and I are

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Speaker 1: discussing the rut, but not like we usually do. Instead,

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Speaker 1: today we're examining the dark side of the white tail rout.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Sick of Gear. Today on the show,

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Speaker 1: as I just mentioned, we're examining the dark side of

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Speaker 1: the white tail a rut. And you know, so often

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Speaker 1: we hear about the rut and just how magical it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, how wonderful it is, how incredible it's going

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Speaker 1: to be. But then when it actually arrives and our

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Speaker 1: vacation begins and we hit the woods, somehow, things most

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Speaker 1: often don't turn out quite as terrific as we figured

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Speaker 1: it was going to be. Stress, disappointment, missed opportunities, all

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Speaker 1: these things are realities for a lot of us during

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Speaker 1: the rut, and to ignore that aspect of this time

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Speaker 1: of year, in my opinion, is a big mistake. But

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Speaker 1: it's something that I don't think it's talked about a

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Speaker 1: lot in the hunting world. You know, all you ever

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Speaker 1: hear about is how amazing the rut is, how great

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Speaker 1: it's going to be. We don't really hear much about

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Speaker 1: the challenges of the rut. So today Dan and I

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Speaker 1: are going to take a break from our RUT vacations

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about this very topic. And we've

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Speaker 1: got a punch of first person examples of these very

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Speaker 1: kinds of challenges, unfortunately that have happened just over the

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Speaker 1: past couple of days. So we're gonna share those. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna deconstruct what all these challenges might be and how

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Speaker 1: we and maybe you two can overcome them. So, Dan,

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Speaker 1: we've got a lot to catch up on, and I thought, maybe,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can just kind of go about the

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Speaker 1: stiff talk about what's happened the last week or so

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Speaker 1: between the two of us, and I think throughout the store,

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of those stories will be able to

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Speaker 1: touch on a lot of these overarching issues that I

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Speaker 1: think apply to a lot of people. Um, So, what

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Speaker 1: do you think that that's not likely good plan? Sure?

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Speaker 1: Let me just uh, let me just reopen this wound

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Speaker 1: have on my heart. Yeah, we'll pour some salt on

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Speaker 1: and say too, man, it's uh man, I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get to the big one yet.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's save that a little bit because because that's,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the penultimate wound of all that I

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Speaker 1: think we have to deal with here. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, and and I don't maybe this isn't

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Speaker 1: how it is for everyone at this time of year,

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Speaker 1: but me and I'm hunting with a handful of other

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Speaker 1: people in Iowa, but in me um that are from Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and then a couple of friends that live in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: And we're all at a campground the other day at

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Speaker 1: midday because I had to get down and move a

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Speaker 1: and it was one of those hot days we've been having.

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Speaker 1: And while we're there, we all kind of we're talking

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Speaker 1: complaining about this and so and so is complained about that,

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Speaker 1: like this is the middle of the rut. Well not

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, do you do you get feeling

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, this last week, I've just

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Speaker 1: I know I'm only I'm only what like eight years

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Speaker 1: older than you. I think that, what are you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And over the years I just realized, Man, you can't

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Speaker 1: just a very small portion of of hunting. The rest

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Speaker 1: of it's up to mother nature and chance. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna move in on this perfect stand location, perfect wind, hope, man,

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Speaker 1: the moon is perfect, the barometric pressure perfect, and guess what,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's probably maybe this is also like

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people that are really

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Speaker 1: you miss some type of opportunity, or what you thought

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Speaker 1: Let's say, you know, let's go into hunting pressure you

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Speaker 1: if you have the same permission as other people, what

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Speaker 1: are you gonna do. You're gonna line about it, or

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Speaker 1: You know, all these other things that that could cause stress.

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Speaker 1: that really is I think the moral of the story

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Speaker 1: that exactly that there are gonna be all these different

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Speaker 1: It's naturally it's gonna happen. It's not like you can

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend that I'm not gonna get stressed

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Speaker 1: for a moment. But the key is not to dwell

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Speaker 1: to let it become all encompassing and instead to redirect it,

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Speaker 1: just like you said, redirect it and make a positive adjustment.

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Speaker 1: And I think that so many different things we'll probably

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Speaker 1: accomplish anything right. And I've learned some of this, not

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Speaker 1: these guys are Yeah, they're they're very focused, they're very

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Speaker 1: Yeah that makes any sense? It does? No, it does?

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about. Maybe you've been thinking about giving

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Um. So yeah, let's get into the details.

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, how many times have you been on hunting

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Speaker 1: so far? How many days have you hunted since we

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Speaker 1: last talked. I haven't other than this morning. Um, this

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Speaker 1: full Friday night, Saturday, Saturday morning, Saturday evening, Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: then how about I'll start off with what I've been doing,

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Speaker 1: because I've been out in the woods quite a bit

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Speaker 1: since the last chat. You know, we talked last Tuesday, right,

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Speaker 1: of like that situation two weeks ago where it's just

428
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 1: a little bit too late and I couldn't get a

429
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: shot UM. But it was like one of those situations

430
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: where it's like it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, It's

431
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: gonna happen, And then you know that feeling where it's

432
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: just like you're looking at your phone and you're looking

433
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: at the pins, and you look at your phone and

434
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's not gonna happen. Yeah, um, and

435
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: you just kind of praying the hurry up, get here,

436
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: getting get here, and it doesn't happen. Um, but it's

437
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: a crazy night. But again, the whole time I was

438
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: sitting there, I kept worrying that these guys were gonna

439
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 1: come driving up. I kept waiting the whole the whole

440
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 1: week since I've been there, Like whenever I hear an

441
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: a TV fire up or here loud noise, I'm just like, oh, no,

442
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 1: here they come. Luckily, that night didn't happen. Um, that

443
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: was Friday night. You went. Did you go hunting Friday night?

444
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: This Friday night? Yes? I did, Yes, I did. I went.

445
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: I went hunting Friday night. So tell us about that

446
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: Friday night. So okay, first off, I have to set

447
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 1: the stage right. My buddy moves into a new house

448
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: and he is across. He moves into a new house

449
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: that's timbered or like it's in timber, timber. Okay, Um,

450
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: he set out the trail, came, he set out a

451
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: trail camera. Uh, the very first day he moved in.

452
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: And then he waited one week because he he travels

453
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: all all week long and then he he's basically home

454
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: Thursday night through Sunday morning, and then he has to

455
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: leave against Sunday night for his job. So he sends

456
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: it he uh, he checks the show camera and he's

457
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: not a hunter. So I talked him into getting a

458
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: trail camera and and he sent He's sent me a text.

459
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: He's like best period card Pool, period ever period. And

460
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Now, his idea of a big deer

461
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: and my idea of a big deer are two different things.

462
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: But when he sends me the pictures of these two

463
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: bucks that are frequently like they're on his property, my

464
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: jaw dropped. And you've seen, yeah, you saw the You've

465
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: seen the pictures. I've seen the one. I've seen the

466
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: one buck. I haven't seen the buck. The other one

467
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: is a gigantic bodied eight pointer with split browse. I

468
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: mean he's just heavy, man asked. I mean he wouldn't

469
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: score He wouldn't score one fortysh maybe a little higher.

470
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: But he's he's got two little splits off of the

471
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: top of his brows. But his body is just I

472
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: don't know. You look at that and you go mature buck.

473
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: No matter what you you, it's just huge on the

474
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: front end. He I mean, he looks like a bodybuilder

475
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 1: or or a strong man, you know. So long story short, Alright,

476
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, these deer in this area, these bucks,

477
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: and you know, for the last however many days, we've

478
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: had south winds. So Friday night, I'm like, here's what

479
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: I need to do. And there's a his property. The top,

480
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: the high part is a road and it drops all

481
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: the way down to a creek below. And the between

482
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: the road and the creek is some of you know,

483
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: if I was God and I was in and God

484
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: was this awesome deer hunter, and God said, I'm going

485
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: to create the best hunting property there is as far

486
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: as terrain is concerned, he would copy this this terrain,

487
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: as far as betting area is concerned. The entire fifteen

488
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: acres is the thickest, some of the most perfect betting

489
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: area I've ever hunted in my life. So I've I

490
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: have now fallen into an awesome property, you know, basically luck.

491
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: So I follow the main trail in where he says

492
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: he's seen these um where he has his traild camera

493
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 1: and where they're coming from. So I'm like, okay, I'm

494
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna bump just a little bit past it

495
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: dropped down this creek, set up and uh, kind of

496
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: help the seating lanes and just basically observe right off

497
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: the bat. I Friday night, I get in there, and

498
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, I set up nothing, nothing too exciting. I

499
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: saw uppledos walked by, but the wind was off the south,

500
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: but it was blowing northeast. Because of the lay of

501
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: the land, it's swirling. So I'm just like, oh my god,

502
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: those those does busted me and they started snorting, and

503
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: then they left, and I saw that big eight pointer

504
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: come out of the bottom creek and into the field

505
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: to the north. To me, he was a long ways

506
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: away and right at last light, and uh, he was

507
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: um chasing, chasing two does and then they he basically

508
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: went onto another the next property where there's some standing corn,

509
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: and then right at last light. I'm not that's sure

510
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: if it was the big buck or not, but I

511
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: thought I saw him. Okay, now, hey, time out. Yeah, yeah,

512
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: you haven't told us about this other big buck yet.

513
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: So we talked about the big eight point, But what

514
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: was the other big one? All right? So coming coming soon,

515
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it right now, all right, So next

516
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: morning I go back out and it's it's raining. You know,

517
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: I pulled the mark Kenyon. I'm gonna I hunt in

518
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: the rain. I'm a man, I had a boy, you know,

519
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: So I put on my same rain jacket I used

520
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: to go out west. Don't don't you learn. Let's let's

521
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: note this is not a rain jacket any of us recommend. Right. Basically,

522
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a garbage bag. It's literally Now did you literally

523
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: wear the garbage bag underneath it? Like you didn't? I

524
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: know I didn't. I did, but oh I need to

525
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: post that picture online by the way. But anyway, same story,

526
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: south wind, and the wind was blowing back up into

527
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: the betting here. I'm like, Jesus, man, what's going on?

528
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: What is with the south wind? This is not what

529
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: I was planning on. But it's awesome for this property. Man,

530
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you nice. So I tear down, right, I

531
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: come back. Okay, so I can't hunt Saturday. I tear

532
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: down and I move it in the rain to it, uh,

533
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: basically right up against his traio camera, right in this

534
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: little opening where the previous owners had a garden. Okay,

535
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: and I can see the house. I can see the

536
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: neighbor's house. Um, I can see the road, and I'm

537
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, maybe I overthought it, maybe I jumped

538
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: into too far. And so I had my stand set

539
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: up for Sunday morning. Sunday morning comes and and instantly

540
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: there's deer working through the area. All right, I'm not

541
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: only seeing them to the to the south. They are

542
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: coming right by his house, and they're coming right in

543
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: between his house and the neighbor's house, which there's a

544
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: draw that separates him. All right. Now I'm sitting here

545
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: going are you kidding me? You know, like these pictures

546
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: and these deer are are literally if two yards, they're

547
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: walking yards from this house. So these deer have never

548
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: been hunted before, or well they could have been, but

549
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: not on these two properties. Right. So I'm sitting in

550
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: my stand, I'm watching these does work through I had

551
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: I had a dough lick my bottom stick. Yeah, so, um,

552
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: I was in the right spot. None of them spooked.

553
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: And uh, sitting about eight thirty south wind and it's

554
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: blown off into the creek and to the south to

555
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: the north of me. So this buck has crossed through

556
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: my wind. It comes in through the thickest, nastiest stuff

557
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: and he borders this little open area. I'm on the

558
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: southeast side of this little garden area, and I was

559
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: hunting a trail that came out of the bottom kind

560
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: of up towards the house where the trail camera was

561
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: setting and where the trail camera had showed showed all

562
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: of the all the movement. Well, he stayed further south

563
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: this time. I look at him, and you know, you

564
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: look at him, and you instantly you don't even need

565
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: to put your binoculars up. You just go shooter, you know,

566
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: So for with you, what was it? No, he's probably

567
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: low one seventies. I'd have to say low one seventies,

568
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: high one sixties conservatively. And um, he's not he's not

569
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: very wide, but he's a um he's an eleven pointer,

570
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: so he's a main frame six by five. And so

571
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: he walks, he walks down or he let's see, he's

572
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: walking parallel to the creek. And then he drops down

573
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: in this little into the very bottom of the draw

574
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: that runs up in between the two houses. He goes

575
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: to the neighbor's backyard and walks the tree line up

576
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: in between the two houses where these does went, and

577
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: he starts pushing dose. I call my buddy Sunday morning

578
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: from the stand as this booner is in between his

579
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: house and I go, look out your window, and he

580
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: looks out. He looks out the window and he sees him.

581
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: He's like, this is this is for real? It's incredible. Yeah,

582
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: I said, look out your window. He's like, are you

583
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: kidding me? And I said, I said, dude, go walk on,

584
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: go walk on your deck and see what happens. So

585
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: he walks on his deck and the deer don't even move. Okay,

586
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: the the buck starts grunting, looks up at him and

587
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: starts grunting and chasing these doughs. You got, yeah, exactly right.

588
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: So so this is you know, it's one of those

589
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: things where they're comfortable with some type of human interaction

590
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: right up at least up at the houses. So long

591
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: story short, he comes, he starts pushing some of these

592
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: doughs and and get split up. In the meantime, another

593
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: eight pointer, small are eight pointer comes in and starts,

594
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, messing with the dough that he's trying to

595
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: break off from this dough group, and the all the dos.

596
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: The second that the little buck got in like into

597
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: the picture, the big the bigger boy he looked at

598
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: him and started taking some steps towards the smaller buck. Well,

599
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: in that period of time, the dough that was broken

600
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: off joined back up with the three other doughs and

601
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: started heading south or to the north, closer to my position. Right.

602
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: So there's a gardening shed where they kept all their

603
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: tools and stuff. These deer walked right behind there, all right.

604
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: So this is where the black part of the rut,

605
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: or the depressing part of the ruck comes into play.

606
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know how to really describe it, so

607
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: I will do the best the best thing I know. How.

608
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: The sun's up, it's bright, and it's shining on a

609
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: wall of trees, right, So the front part of this

610
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: area is all covered in sun. The back part of

611
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: it is all shade and shadow. So for the human eye,

612
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you're looking at headlights and trying

613
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 1: to find out what the color of the car is.

614
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: It's almost impossible. So these does work by the area,

615
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: and I ranged the tree that they walked by, all right.

616
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: I arranged a thirty yards the other buck he comes

617
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: right down this this, the smaller buck comes first, and

618
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: he walks probably my estimate was ten yards past further

619
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: past this tree. So and I had a very small window,

620
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: i'd say a five foot window on a moving target,

621
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: all right. So I ranged the gap and it said

622
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: fifty some yards. So there was nothing in between that

623
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: tree except the other side of the ridge, all right.

624
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: So I had to guess, basically, so I guessed forty yards.

625
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: I thought that this buck was ten yards past this

626
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: tree that I arranged. All right, So he got in there.

627
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: I did a little rap. He didn't stop, and I

628
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of followed him, and I pulled the trigger and

629
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: I shot over his back. I was I was perfect

630
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: left to right. So I I get long story short.

631
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: I got out of the tree, I walked over to

632
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: where I missed him, and he was way closer to

633
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: the tree than I had estimated, So he was more

634
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: at about thirty two to thirty five yards as opposed

635
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: to thirty or forty yards that I guessed. So a

636
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: forty yard pin right on, like if I split him,

637
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, right down the center, probably six inches behind

638
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: the shoulders. So if I if he was probably ten

639
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: inches straight down, I would have hit long and liver.

640
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: But along with his little dip that the deer do,

641
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: and my high, my my high estimated distance. I shot

642
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: right over his back. I cried, Yeah, yeah, that's curious.

643
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna ask. How many tears? How?

644
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: I just you know, I'll be honest with you. I

645
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: just sat there and I went, man, I oppotionally. I

646
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of reflected back on all of the other disappointments

647
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: that I've had over top of throughout my entire hunting season,

648
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: like my career. You know, shipwreck shot him, didn't kill him. Um,

649
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: I missed probably a booner in two thousand and two

650
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: thousand and five or six. Um, I've been busted several

651
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: times by world class deer. I've you know, I've called

652
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: that year I probably shouldn't have called to and then

653
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: never seen again. And all these mistakes kept flowing back

654
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: in my head, and I was, you know, I was

655
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: just feeling down about it. It's easy to do, I

656
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: don't know that, feeling very well. So I got a

657
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: buddy who I consider a big buck killer, right and

658
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: I called him up or I text him, and I

659
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: was like, dude, Mr Booner today, and he's he's like,

660
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: what did you do wrong? I was like, I misjudged

661
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: distance and and I, you know, he gave me some

662
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: advice or whatever, and then um, I text him back

663
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: about four hours later and I said any advice, And

664
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: he came back with an awesome response. And he said

665
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: to me that success doesn't make a good bow hunter.

666
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Failure makes a good bow hunter. And how you work

667
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: off those what you do because of those failures to

668
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: make yourself better, that's what makes you a good bow hunter.

669
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: And he and I thought I had some bad luck,

670
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, as far as missing deer. I mean, he

671
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: then he sends me back some examples about every time

672
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: that you know, He's like, I hit a deer in

673
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: the shoulder. Now I I shoot every deer six inches

674
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder. I I've missed straight down shots, you know,

675
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: like a deer at five yards. I practice at five yards.

676
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: I've you know, all these things that he now has

677
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: have have made him a big buck killer. And it's

678
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: all these these other encounters that have has made him

679
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: how he hunts today and has made him successful. So yeah,

680
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things where I look

681
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: at myself. I look at myself in the mirror and

682
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: I go, you know what, over the years, I have

683
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: tried my best to be in the right spot at

684
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: the right time. So I can actually take away a

685
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: successful part of this and say, you know what I'm

686
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting better at locating patterning and getting my stand

687
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: in the right spot based off historical data. And you

688
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: know what other big bucks have done in the past.

689
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: Now you know, I know that comes natural to me now,

690
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: So now the only thing I have left to do

691
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: is put the period at the end of the sentence,

692
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: so to speak. Yeah, Man, that's a I like. I

693
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: like the advice your Frank gave you so true, and

694
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: it's man, I can I can very very very much

695
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: relate to you and uh in that situation. And as

696
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, I missed that buck earlier this year, and man,

697
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: those those moments afterwards, I had the exact same feeling

698
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: or exact same type of situation. I think, as you

699
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: mentioned that, you just sat there. It's just like a

700
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: deep breath out and it's just like, how does happen?

701
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: You know, all these different things that have gone wrong

702
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: before you think about and to all the work you

703
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: put into it and all the time you spend on it,

704
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: and then to have the opportunity and then it just

705
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: slips just out of grasp. You know. I mean that's

706
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: kind of in the moment, it can be crushing. And

707
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: I think you know a lot of I mean so

708
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: many people just the last week. You know, I felt

709
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: down on myself that type of thing before. And I

710
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: think to your point, you know, hearing from someone hearing

711
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just you. It's not something you

712
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: need to be embarrassed about. It's not something you need

713
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: to feel, you know, like your horrible person about, or

714
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: that you're a horrible hunter, because it is something that happens,

715
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: and it happens to so many people, and all you

716
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: can do is exactly what you're doing and exactly what

717
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: your body told you, which is learned from it. Become

718
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: a better hunter because of it, and get back out there.

719
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: Get back in the stand. That's the most important thing.

720
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: Go shoot your bell a couple of times, get back

721
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: in the stand. That's not I mean, that's your therapy

722
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: right there. And I'll be honest with you, I feel

723
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: so confident right now that about this buck that I

724
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: am canceling like I'm I'm on him because I saw

725
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: him again this morning, all right, and he was heading away,

726
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: he was heading away from my position. Through that, through

727
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: that guy's backyard again. So when you get up in

728
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: the shed, dude, we thought about it. I thought about it.

729
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: But where he's been frequenting is the backside of the shed.

730
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: There's no door there, so get a little saw right.

731
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: But it's one of those things where I feel so

732
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: confident now that and and with my shot, and I

733
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: know we're what I need to do. You know, I

734
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: got my stand, I moved my stand. I'm in an

735
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: awesome spot where I where I feel is like one

736
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: of the greatest pinch points I've ever seen. And I'm

737
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: just it's just a matter of tweaking it. See where

738
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: he comes tomorrow morning, and uh if I if he

739
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: doesn't come tomorrow morning in that aime spot, I'm gonna

740
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: have a stand there. Like I'm not gonna have my

741
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: stand there, I'm gonna move at five yards ten yards

742
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: if I have to move my tree stand one yard

743
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: to the next tree to make myself put myself into

744
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: a better situation or tear down, set up, tear down,

745
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: set up, tear down. I don't care how many times.

746
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: If you know, if you want that, you have to

747
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: go get it. You have to be willing to put

748
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: in that extra work. It's you know, we we say

749
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: this too much by now. The people who listen to

750
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: this podcast cast, the hardcore guys who are following us

751
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: every week, they know what needs to be done, you know.

752
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where you get these emails.

753
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: I get these emails. Hey, guys, you talked me into

754
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: doing this. You talked me into doing this. Here's how

755
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: I was successful. Man, we get so many of those.

756
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: It's awesome. It is awesome. And I and we have

757
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: to follow that same that we have to follow that too. Yeah,

758
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: you and me need to have one of this podcast. Hey,

759
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: we we did what we talked about in the work.

760
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened too much for us lately this year.

761
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I guess just once but h but no, I think

762
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: you're you're spot on your I I love and it's

763
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: the same thing I've I've tried to tell myself, although

764
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: sometimes it kind of like you can look at it

765
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: two ways. Where you mentioned the fact that you you know,

766
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: worked so hard to put yourself in a position to

767
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: be in the right place at the right time, and

768
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: in this case, you did that right. You were in

769
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: the right place, you were the right time, and just

770
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: missed the period of the end of the sentence. You

771
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: can look at that in two ways. You can look

772
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: at it as I did everything right and then it

773
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: just slipped out of my fingers. I'm such a screw up.

774
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Or you can look at it as I did everything

775
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: right except for the little piece at the end and say, hey,

776
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: you're close, you're doing the right things. You're getting there.

777
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: It'll happen next time. And I really like that outlook.

778
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: I like the glass half full. Take the positives away,

779
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: identify what happened wrong, and fix it, but be positive

780
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: about it. I think that it's hard to do. I

781
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: think in a lot of cases, um, but it's so

782
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: important to to make the effort to do so. Let

783
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: me put it to you this way. If you want

784
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: to be a predator and you want to go in

785
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: and kill big deer or any animal for that matter,

786
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: or even kind of like a way of life, do

787
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: you think a lion or a mountain lion or a

788
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: bobcat I feel sorry for itself. If it doesn't, if

789
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: the rabbit outruns it, no, it goes and finds another rabbit,

790
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean. There's no nature does

791
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: not feel sorry for itself. You know what I mean.

792
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: It has a focus. You are either on the top

793
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: of the food chain or you on there are on

794
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: the bottom of the food chain. So that's how you

795
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: have to act, in my opinion, Yeah, right on the truth.

796
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: So you saw him again this morning. I saw him

797
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: again this morning. I have my stand hung for tomorrow morning,

798
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: and uh, all I have to do now is show

799
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: up and I have all day tomorrow I can hunt,

800
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: and Thursday morning I can hunt. We got south winds

801
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: which is perfect for this property. And uh, I don't

802
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: know how good the tomorrow evening is going to be.

803
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: And and then I leave for a wedding. Yeah, but

804
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: it's my brother and I do anything for him. So

805
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: if that means missing the best possible days of the rut,

806
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna have to do it. It's kind

807
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: of brutal too, because you know that timeframe is when

808
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: this great cold front hits. We've had this horrible weather

809
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: in Iowa past couple of days, and the next day

810
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: or two it's in like, at least by me in Iowa,

811
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: seventy two seventy three degrees, awful for this time of year.

812
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: And then Friday at the floor drops out drops down

813
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: the low fifties. The mornings can be in the thirties,

814
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: and it's like that for the rest of the weekend.

815
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be hunting and you're gonna be given

816
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: toasts at a wedding, right, and by the way, it's

817
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: going to be one of the best speeches any best

818
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: man has ever given to Oh yeah, yeah, it's gonna be.

819
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: I can't give it away because my brother actually might

820
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: listen to this. Yeah, he listens to my stuff and

821
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: nice stuff. So anyway, but let me tell you what

822
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: I've kind of found out. Tell me what have you

823
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: found out? I've seen one, two, three shooters this year? Okay,

824
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: total total the whole year, right, three years? Three shooters,

825
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: maybe four three? Anyway, So because of my family and

826
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: because of this wedding, and because of how busy I

827
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: am with life, I have been out of the woods more,

828
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: all right. Because of that, I have put less pressure

829
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: on my hunting properties. So in some kind of freakish way,

830
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: it might be fate or karma or yin and yang

831
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever you want to look at, telling me

832
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: staying out of the timber during the early season might

833
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: be beneficial for you. Definitely so I love, I love

834
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: to hunt. But I'll tell you right now, I'm I'm

835
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: getting firstand I'm I'm seeing firsthand how first in sets

836
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: are the best. Yeah, oh yeah, that's the truth. And

837
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: I think it's something we've pounded home on a lot

838
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: of episodes, the importance of staying out until the perfect

839
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: time to strike, and then you go in there and

840
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: make it happen, right, And I think you've you've had to,

841
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: You've been forced by outside situations to make you do

842
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: that in some ways. But it's cool to see it

843
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: hopefully pan out for you. Now. Um, I have a prediction, Okay,

844
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: what's that. I believe that by next Wednesday. Next Wednesday,

845
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: so week from tomorrow, okay, you will have killed that

846
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: buck or another very impressive deer between now in the

847
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: next seven days. I do believe that you are going

848
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: to kill a giant. All right, I'm gonna that's You know,

849
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: it's all about vibes, you know, it's all about putting

850
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: out good vibes and accepting good vibe and if you

851
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: put good vibes into the universe, good vibes will come

852
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: back to you. That's a little that's hippie talk for

853
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: you know for those who don't know. But we have

854
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: gone on a huge rant. By the way, Yeah, that's

855
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: what we do. That's what we do. I want to

856
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: say one more thing about the hippie stuff before you

857
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: redirect us back on task. But you've taken some lump slightly. Man.

858
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: You have chased a giant for years, almost got him,

859
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: and then have a neighbor famously get him. You've had

860
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: a couple really really close calls of some great deer

861
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: and it just didn't quite happen for you. Now you've

862
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: had this miss. You took an entire season almost of

863
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: your rut last year and gave it to your buddy.

864
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: Let him hunt your property, films your buddy. I mean, really,

865
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: you've taken some lumps. You've done some things for other people,

866
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: and I really do believe deep down that's coming around

867
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: for you, man, and you're going to have it happen.

868
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pumped for you. I'm excited for you. I

869
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: have confidence in you. I know that you know what

870
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: you're doing. I know you're gonna make it happen. It's

871
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool that you said that, because I

872
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: was thinking about that the other day and not to

873
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: be cocky or saying what if or anything like that.

874
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: But I'm literally yards or inches in some instances from

875
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: having a wall full of giant, freaking animals, and it's

876
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: like something didn't go my way or something you know,

877
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: or or it was like the teeter tatter tipped in

878
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: the other direction, if that makes sense. So you know,

879
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: you know that guy, um, And I'm gonna use a

880
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: wrestling metaphor here for you. There's there's a guy named

881
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: Kal Sanderson. Okay, I was Iowa, stay yep. And he

882
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: went undefeated. By the way, I'm I'm very impressed by that.

883
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: He went undefeated throughout his entire collegiate career. All right.

884
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: Now there's another wrestler and I'm sorry but I forgot

885
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: his name, but he finished second place in the national

886
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: championship four years in a row, not behind kil Sanderson.

887
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: This is a different year set, but and he got

888
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: beat by different champions but he finished second every year

889
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: and he had like maybe a total of five losses

890
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: throughout his entire collegiate career, which is very impressive, and

891
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: finished second every year from freshman to senior. So it's

892
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: one of those things where he's still a good wrestler,

893
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: but nobody, you know, nobody talks about that guy, right,

894
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: So you're feeling like the guy that no one that

895
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: you don't even remember his name, and I don't care.

896
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: But to be honest with you, I just love that

897
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: I've had. I've been and you know their Facebook can

898
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: keep you in check and well, and we're gonna talk

899
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: about Facebook and here Facebook, but Facebook can keep you

900
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: in check too. You know, I had a story or

901
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: I post online. You know, hey, I missed a booner

902
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: this morning, and there's a guy, a guy came on.

903
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: He said something along the lines of, hey, at least

904
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: you saw a booner. I live in miss again and

905
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: haven't even seen a deer over one thirty in his life.

906
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: Maybe in his life, no, that's what he said. Or

907
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: a guy in Pennsylvania. He's like, oh, congratulations, you get

908
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: to hunt Sunday. I don't see a big deer and

909
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: I can't hunt Sunday's. So you know, that kind of

910
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: puts you back and check and you're like, you know what,

911
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: my situation is pretty good. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna

912
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: go kick my dog in the face. What's wondering? And

913
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: with that, Dan is away from the computer. I'm now

914
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: he's about to kill it. Alright, Sorry about that? So

915
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: is the dog alive? Still? Uh? Maybe you broke compel

916
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: this disclaimer. No animals were hurt in the recording of

917
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: this podcast. If I hurt that that dog, that dog

918
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: is the biggest a whole I've ever met. It's a diva.

919
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: But if I hurt that dog, my wife would divorce

920
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: me and maybe even kill me. Oh gosh, I just

921
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: loved that moment right there. That was pretty special. Are

922
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: you gonna Are you gonna run with it? Oh? We're

923
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: keeping it keeping you might have to believe some stuff out. Yeah,

924
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: we might edit a little sob oh man. So this

925
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: is something that I think impacts a lot of people,

926
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: at least based on you know, talking to my friends

927
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: and even you know, I think it's natural human nature

928
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: when you're struggling. You know, we're out there in the

929
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: tree and things aren't going your way and your board

930
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: and you're looking at Facebook and you see that everybody else,

931
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: at least it looks like it everybody else is having

932
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: great success can be a little bit tough. Have you

933
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: ever have you ever succumbed to Facebook envy and any

934
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: little bit Dan. I think we talked about this. I

935
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: don't know if it was last year or the year

936
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: for UH on an earlier podcast, for sure. And I

937
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: used to I used to be like, man, god, I

938
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: want to do that. I want to I want to

939
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: kill a big buck. And and you know, obviously what

940
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: we realize is your circumstances different than their circumstances, you know,

941
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: and and some of the and I hate to say it,

942
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: and I don't want us and I truly believe that

943
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: it is an influencer. But who who are you looking at?

944
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: Do you know their situation? They probably you know, some

945
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: of these guys are you may see some success stories.

946
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: Hey I shot this on public land, awesome, two inches boom.

947
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, this guy went in DP, he did everything right.

948
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: Or this guy sat on a field edge and he

949
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: got lucky, you know, or this guy hunts anna managed

950
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: property that you know, the outfitter sets stand you know,

951
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: you don't know, you know, very rarely it's just an image.

952
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's more likely it's just an image. And

953
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: I used to succumb to that. Now I just don't

954
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: have time. I don't have I don't have time to

955
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: get jealous of other people. Yeah, it's a man. It's

956
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: one of those things that if you let it get

957
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: to you, it can get to you. And so the

958
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: key is, you know, I think it to your point,

959
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: you don't know the circumstances, and it's not helpful at

960
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: all to obsess over how other people are doing to

961
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: look at it. And I think it's because it's just

962
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: thrown in front of us all the time when you

963
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: see all these things showing up on Facebook. And then

964
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, the way the Facebook algorithm works is that

965
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: when someone likes and engages with the post a lot,

966
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: it gets shown a lot more. So, like you know,

967
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: you might have like five friends on Facebook or whatever,

968
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: five thousand friends on Facebook, and only fifteen of them

969
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: out of five thousand, maybe let's say they're all hunters.

970
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: Only maybe fifteen on five thousand, maybe actually killed something

971
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: in the last week. But because they're getting a bunch

972
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: of likes on it, all of them are going to

973
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: show for you all of a sudden. So all of

974
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, we're getting all these people that we never see,

975
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: but boom, all these bucks and it seems like it's

976
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: going everywhere, and it's not going for you, and it

977
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: can be uh, you know, if you'll let it, it it

978
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: could be disheartening. I've definitely at times been like, man,

979
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to look at Facebook anymore because everyone

980
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: else killing them. But it's that's not really what's true.

981
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: There's way more people that are going to the same

982
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: thing you are, and like you said, you can't let

983
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: it get to you. You don't. It doesn't accomplish anything,

984
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't do anything. It's no good say congrats, be

985
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: happy for other people. Focus on your own thing, you know, right.

986
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: But again, you know a lot of stuff, it's all

987
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: easier said than done because a lot of the stuff

988
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about, the stress, envy, uh, you know, disappointment,

989
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: it's human nature. It's just it's ingrained in what humans

990
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: are built to do. We're gonna feel these things sometimes,

991
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: and it's just what I think all of these different

992
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: challenges come down to. Whether it's dealing with hunting pressure

993
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: or missing a giant buck, or you know, seeing everybody

994
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: else supposedly having success and you're not, or dealing with

995
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: crappy weather during your only seven days of vacation, whatever

996
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: it is, I think the main, the only solution to

997
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: all these things is just mental toughness, mental strength, just

998
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: being able to you know, sure, you're gonna have this

999
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: initial emotional reaction maybe, but then it's like, how do

1000
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: you deal with it? How do you move on? How

1001
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: do you get to the next place? How do you adjust?

1002
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: Because dwelling on this emotion or dwelling on this initial reaction,

1003
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't get you where you want to go. So

1004
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 1: it's just being tough enough in the head, strong enough

1005
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: to move forward to do something about it. And I

1006
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: think another thing that I just mentioned that I think

1007
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: we should talk about when it comes to the dark

1008
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: side of the rut is the weather. And there's a

1009
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: lot of people right now that are kind of upset,

1010
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: probably because of the weather they got stuck with further

1011
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: rot vacation. I got a buddy who his job does

1012
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: not allow him to take off very much time at

1013
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: all because he runs a practice of a medical practice

1014
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: that he has people scheduled all time and he can't

1015
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: to take off. If he takes off, the business doesn't run.

1016
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: So he has five days he gets to take off

1017
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: during the rut. He has to set months ahead of

1018
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: time and he gets that time off. And he's a

1019
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: huge hunter and he loves hunting the dreams of an

1020
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: entire year, and he gets his five days of vacation

1021
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: off and this is it, and he gets stuck with

1022
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: four and a half days of seventy five degree weather

1023
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: when he spent six hundred and fifty dollars in Iowa,

1024
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: tag or whatever it is, and bought a hotel room

1025
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: and took off all this time and drove here. And

1026
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: this is what. This is the cards that are dealt

1027
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: to you. And I think there's a lot of guys

1028
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: out there right now feeling that way. And there's a

1029
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: lot of people probably feeling down about it right well.

1030
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: And what and the thing is, what are you gonna

1031
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: do with it? Exactly? Exactly? Yes, what it's the rut?

1032
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: Do you are going to be moving? You know? Uh,

1033
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: get in closer to the betting areas, Yeah, get closer

1034
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: betting ears. Get close to water is a big one.

1035
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: These seventy five degree days, they're not going to be

1036
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: moving as much as the typically would be maybe on

1037
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: a fourty degree day during the rut, but they're gonna

1038
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: be more app to want to get a little drink

1039
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: of water, um, and focus on even more so, really

1040
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: be focused on that early and late Um, here's a

1041
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: perfect example. I well, a couple of my friends, I'm

1042
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: honey with an ile right now, you know, stressing about

1043
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: the warm weather. But they still went out this morning

1044
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: and my friend Kendall arrowed the best buck she's killed

1045
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: I think maybe ever, or at least in a number

1046
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: of years on today, seventy day. But she got out

1047
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: there early in the morning and got it done. They

1048
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: were still cruising, they're still working, and she got a

1049
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: great buck on a day that on paper looks like

1050
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: not a good day to be hunting. But she stuck

1051
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: it out. She went out there and she killed a

1052
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: great deer. Um, I mean, you gotta be out there

1053
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: in the woods at this time of year. November twelve, November,

1054
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: excuse me, November four, seventy degree day, strong, really windy,

1055
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: strong south winds. Hopped into an area that I thought,

1056
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, wasn't near as good. I wanted to stay

1057
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: away from the places that I thought I would saw

1058
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: the one of the biggest box I've ever seen from

1059
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: the stand on that day and came within ten yards

1060
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: of throwing a narrow item. So don't I mean it's

1061
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: anything can happen. Anything can happen. Exactly and then he

1062
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: was shot on the other people's forum. Yeah that happens. Yeah,

1063
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: So I didn't finish telling you about the rest of

1064
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: my couple of days of hunting since that. So I'll

1065
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: follow that up with a couple a couple more things

1066
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: here because I think it it uh well, maybe cap

1067
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: us off here nicely. I had that Friday night hunt

1068
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: I had to deal with a right. That Friday hunt

1069
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: was a great hunt. Saw those big deer got excited.

1070
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: But when I tried to get out the back door

1071
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: that night, I tried to sneak down this timbred ridge

1072
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: to um to get out of there without spooking deer.

1073
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: I end up kind of getting lost in a tangled

1074
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: pile of like fifty acres of briers and down trees,

1075
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: and about broke my ankle and literally got covered from

1076
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: head to toe and briers and stickers like it was

1077
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: a master everything. Um. So the next morning was pouring rain,

1078
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: so I said I was gonna take a little bit

1079
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: of time off try to get out. I had to

1080
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: wash and dry all my stuff to try and get

1081
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: those briars off. Is it so bad? But I went

1082
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: back out there the next night and here's where I

1083
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: may or well, in hindsight, it made a mistake, and

1084
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: at the time it didn't seem like a mistake. But

1085
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: that first night, all these deer piled out, and they

1086
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: came from two different places. There was one place at

1087
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: the opposite corner of the of the opening where they're

1088
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: coming out, and then there was another side where they're

1089
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: coming out right next to me, and then coming down

1090
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: the edge of the field in front of me, and

1091
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: one of those deer, if you come through sooner, I

1092
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: would have got a shot just by a little bit.

1093
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: So I felt confident if I stayed in this spot,

1094
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: it was a great treat. I didn't want to get

1095
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: too much further on that corner because based on the

1096
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: maps and stuff, I was guessing some of these bucks, um,

1097
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, this is October thirty one or something, they're

1098
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: probably still betted off this point. So I thought, Okay, tonight,

1099
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick it out here. We had this

1100
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: rainy morning. Cool. I bet you they're gonna be moving

1101
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: earlier tonight if they If some of these bucks in

1102
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: the area do something similar what they do last night,

1103
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: I'll be able to get a shop get in there early.

1104
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: Great conditions. The deer start piling out, But this time

1105
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: that buck did the exact same thing as he did

1106
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: the first night. That well, it's a different buck now,

1107
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: and even bigger buck than I saw the first night.

1108
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: I saw like a hundred and sixty something inch buck

1109
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: with a split G two on one side of deep

1110
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: split G three on the other side. Huge deer um

1111
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: comes popping out the same places the night before, but

1112
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: instead of coming down the edge by me, he went

1113
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: out into the middle of the field and then continued

1114
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: past like eighty yards. Couldn't do anything to get him

1115
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: to coming any closer. So I saw a bunch more

1116
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: deer that night. And then this is where I wish

1117
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: i'd made this adjustment the night before, but I didn't.

1118
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: But here I go Sunday, um or Saturday, so I

1119
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: can't keep these days straight anymore. But the next night

1120
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I've been seeing these deer pop out.

1121
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: There's so many deer, an astronomical number of deer that

1122
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: are piling into here that even though this is the

1123
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: third day in this general air, you it seemed a

1124
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: little stupid to go and hunt the same thing again.

1125
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there's so many I've been

1126
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: seeing different bucks piling off this ridge every night, and

1127
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: they said, Okay, you know what, there's a lot of

1128
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: potential here. I need to be there, but I need

1129
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: to adjust. So I headed in there at midday, pulled

1130
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: down that one stand, moved down another hundred fifty yards

1131
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: hundred hundred fifty yards, so finally I found there was

1132
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: like no trees available that I could get into, but

1133
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: I found one that kind of worked, got up in

1134
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: that tree and again saw another shooter. Sixth different shooter,

1135
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: seventh different shooter, UM, and a whole bunch of deer. Unfortunately,

1136
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: this one came out from the opposite side. So now

1137
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: I was in a great position to shoot to the

1138
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: one entrance, but the second entrance I couldn't get too.

1139
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: He came out of that one. UM, I had another buck.

1140
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: I had a do pop out right in front of me,

1141
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: and a buck coming behind her. Last like, I thought,

1142
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: this is one of the big boys gonna happen, but

1143
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: it was not. As a two year old, and then

1144
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: that again was that was the end of my night

1145
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: there hunting another morning and oh what I didn't tell

1146
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: you is hunted another morning, met some more hunters. Hunted

1147
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 1: that night when it came out, there's a different hunter

1148
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: at his truck that had been another spot. Um. And

1149
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: then yesterday morning hunt another morning and had another four

1150
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: wheeler come by an hour after daylight. He decided to

1151
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: come into his tree stand. Um. So the hunting pressure

1152
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: thing continues every day. UM. So basically, now where I'm

1153
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: at is I actually came home. I don't know if

1154
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: I told you that. I came home to take care

1155
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: of a little bit stuff at home, um for a day,

1156
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: day and a half. And I did that because if

1157
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: I had to do this, which I had to do this,

1158
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: this is the day to do it. As the weather was,

1159
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: as we talked about, not ideal. Obviously you can still

1160
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: get it done. But I thought, Okay, I'll swing home

1161
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 1: for a day, turn around, get back. So I'm coming

1162
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: back tomorrow, I believe. And um, the weather is gonna

1163
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: be hitting on Thursday. We're gonna get some rain. Friday,

1164
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: the temperature is gonna drop, and none of a sudden,

1165
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: we've got this cold from passing through. And I think

1166
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some opportunity there. But where I'm getting

1167
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: at here, I'm kind of rambling here telling you guys,

1168
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: what's happening. I've had some good things happening. I've had

1169
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: some bad things happening. But if you stick it out,

1170
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: if you push through this stuff, if you hunt through it,

1171
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: you can get to In this case, you know, a

1172
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: good coal fron at the end of the weekend for

1173
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: these guys the start of the rut weekend or the

1174
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: rut week and they've been dealing with seventy five degree

1175
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: temperature as well. If they can push through the grind

1176
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: that we talked about a lot Friday, Saturday, Sunday, somewhere

1177
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: on there, all of a sudden, you could get those rewards.

1178
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: And I think when it comes down to the rut

1179
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of a final thought here, whether it be missing

1180
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: or dealing with whatever these issues are, if you can

1181
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: weather the grind, or if you can just manage to

1182
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: keep at it. You know, we've talked a lot about

1183
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: the long days. If you're hunting all day, or if

1184
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: you're hunting seven days in a row or fourteen days

1185
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: in a row, it's exhausting, it's you know, it can

1186
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: be stressful. If these things are going wrong. It can

1187
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: be disappointing, if mistakes are being made or things don't

1188
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: go the way you want. But if you can just

1189
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: push through that grind and keep at it, you can

1190
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: get that reward at the end. And if nothing else,

1191
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: at least you know, at the very least, for me,

1192
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: I want to at least know that I gave it

1193
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: my all, you know, if I can get to the

1194
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: end of my rut vacation or the end of my

1195
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: season or whatever, as long as I don't look back

1196
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: up and say I could have done more, or I

1197
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: wish I'd worked harder, or I wish I'd try a

1198
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: little more put a little more effort, as long as

1199
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: that's not something I'm feeling, I think you can feel

1200
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: pretty good about what you did. And I think that's

1201
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: that's my final thoughts here for the dark side that

1202
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: run is there's gonna be some dark points. There's gonna

1203
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: be some disappointments, but just keep grinding and if you

1204
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: do that, it's gonna be all right. Now quickly, before

1205
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: we move on, we need to pause briefly for word

1206
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: from our partners at Sick of Gear, and today I'm

1207
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: asking sick of product category leader Dennis Suck about what

1208
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,959
Speaker 1: the process of developing their new line of white tailed

1209
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: gear looked like. Yeah, so it's it's kind of a

1210
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: funny thing because you know, as I said here today,

1211
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about two thousand seventeen. So if that gives

1212
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 1: you an idea of how long it takes, it takes

1213
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: a couple of years. And you know, when when you

1214
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: start that process, you know, it's a it's a process

1215
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: of looking for pain points and looking for opportunities where

1216
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,479
Speaker 1: maybe you know, people didn't know they product, people didn't

1217
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: know they needed, or or a problem they've just become

1218
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: a custom dealing with with out a viable solution, you know.

1219
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's a series of you know, interviewing some folks,

1220
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: asking some tough questions being a hunter yourself, going out

1221
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: and thinking about you know that that one instance that

1222
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: caused your problems, or how how come my hands keep

1223
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: getting cold? Or or what could I do if I

1224
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: didn't if somebody didn't tell me how to make a jacket,

1225
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: how would I make that jacket? Given the fact that

1226
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: maybe I'm an archery hunter, you know, So going back

1227
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: through that and thinking about the seasons, you know, what

1228
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: happens in the early season, in the late season, you

1229
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: know what happens when I'm hanging my tree stands, you know,

1230
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: all those little things that make us white tail hunters

1231
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: thinking about them, diagnosing them, and then we write briefs,

1232
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: which is us saying that if you could do it,

1233
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: this would be the perfect product. And lots of iteration,

1234
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: lots of testing. Um, we try not to test anything

1235
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: on our consumers. So we we get out beat stuff,

1236
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: up ripped things, we have problems, things don't work, you know,

1237
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: we come back to the well we do it again. Um,

1238
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: but that process, it's a couple of year one, a

1239
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: couple of year process for us to do it the

1240
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: way that we feel that our consumer deserve. All Right,

1241
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: So there you have it, and if you'd like to

1242
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: learn more about Sick of Gears new line of white

1243
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: tail gear, visit sick of gear dot com. And now

1244
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: let's get back to the show. Amen, brother Mark. So

1245
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: we gotta close down shop because I gotta go pick

1246
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,959
Speaker 1: my kids up. Well that's good, because I gotta close

1247
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: down shop to have dinner with my wife and then

1248
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: head back to Iowa. So going to Iowa for a

1249
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: few days with Cold Front. Hopefully we can get it done.

1250
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: Gonna go back to my honey hole, hopefully, because that's

1251
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: the only place I can find there's not hunters and

1252
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: um hopefully get it done and then go to Ohio.

1253
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: So I'm excited because next week on the podcast we're

1254
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the booner that you shot. So

1255
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: let's plan on that. Okay, we're gonna have a great

1256
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: hunt and uh any final thoughts for a shutdown? Where

1257
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: your damn safety artists? Where safety harness? Great advice, Dan,

1258
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 1: very good for all of the rest of you. Please

1259
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: take dance advice to heart. If you're enjoying the podcast,

1260
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: please leave a rating or review on iTunes. We really

1261
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: appreciate that. If you want some more podcast goodness while

1262
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: you are driving hunting camp or driving to your rut spots,

1263
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: check out the white Tail Q and A podcast, which

1264
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: is my secondary podcast, or check out the Nine Finger Chronicles,

1265
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: which is Dan's new podcasts about gear awesome stuff over there,

1266
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: and make sure you check out all that. Finally, we

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Speaker 1: also do need to think our partners who do make

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Speaker 1: this podcast possible. So big thank you to sick A,

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Speaker 1: Gear Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Huntera, maps, Ozonics,

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Speaker 1: Carbon Express, Lacrosse Boots in the White Tail, Institute of

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Speaker 1: North America, and Finally, I just you know, like I

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Speaker 1: mentioned a second ago, this is the rut, and we

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Speaker 1: have all these high expectations and high hopes and the

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Speaker 1: dreams of how amazing is it's going to be. But

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Speaker 1: it's not always going to go that way. Just just

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Speaker 1: you know, take that as a reality right now. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you haven't gone your trip, maybe your trips next week. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not all going to go just as you planned,

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Speaker 1: even though we all hope it does and we all

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be amazing, it's not always going to

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Speaker 1: go that way. So just assume there's gonna be a road,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a bump on the road, there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a turn that we're not expecting, and just mentally

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Speaker 1: prepare yourself for that and know that when that happens,

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Speaker 1: you have the strength and the intestinal fortitude and the

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Speaker 1: umph to dig down, push through it, keep at it,

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Speaker 1: stay positive and kill your buck or at least try

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Speaker 1: your damn is doing it. And have fun and have fun. So,

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Speaker 1: with all that said, appreciate you guys tuning in, thanks

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Speaker 1: for following the Wired to Have a podcast, And until

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Speaker 1: next time, stay wired, don't