Speaker 1: Episode three sixty seven of Bucco Banter. Today we recap
Speaker 1: the series loss versus the Colorado Rockies, and we preview
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Speaker 1: Brans Ois Snakes, Welcome back to another episode of Bucco Banter,
Speaker 1: Episode three sixty seven, brought to you by Brave Bean
Speaker 1: Coffey Company on the North Shore. Get a cup of
Speaker 1: Joe and then hop over to PNC Park to hopefully
Speaker 1: watch the Buckos win because there wasn't much of that
Speaker 1: this weekend.
Speaker 2: Myself Adam.
Speaker 1: We got Jay producing the show and a new member
Speaker 1: for the Monday Monday show, Mister Jimothy Stam, how you doing, buddy.
Speaker 3: In the flesh, I'm doing good. Let me just send
Speaker 3: a shout out to all the dads today. Happy Father's Day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so dad's in baseball go way back. So I just
Speaker 3: wanted to throw that out there for anybody that's doing
Speaker 3: the dad thing today.
Speaker 2: Happy Father's Day to you as well.
Speaker 1: Before we move on with the show, what did your
Speaker 1: family do for you today, jim in order to make
Speaker 1: it known that you are one of the best fathers
Speaker 1: on planet Earth.
Speaker 3: You know, it was just like any other day. We
Speaker 3: were up at five point thirty to get to a
Speaker 3: baseball field by seven am for an eight o'clock start,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, so we did some Primanni's afterwards, because
Speaker 3: you know, dads get free sandwiches on Permanny's Father's Day.
Speaker 3: And then there was another baseball game later today. So
Speaker 3: I'm cooked. Man. I'd like to rely a little bit,
Speaker 3: but you know I don't. I wouldn't trade it for anything, so.
Speaker 1: Real quick, before we move on, you mentioned the Primanny's
Speaker 1: free sandwich. How did they enforce that.
Speaker 3: You bring a human being with you?
Speaker 2: You have to bring the human being with you, I.
Speaker 3: Would assume, so I don't know how else they're going
Speaker 3: to and then they just take your word for it.
Speaker 3: So I suppose you could just pick up a small
Speaker 3: child and take him to Primanny's if if it's worth
Speaker 3: the charges.
Speaker 1: Listen, I just got back from a small vacation on
Speaker 1: the weekend. I got no food in my fridge. It's
Speaker 1: the reason that I asked, so if you could drive
Speaker 1: Ben over here real quick.
Speaker 2: After the show.
Speaker 3: Oh, he'd do it.
Speaker 2: I need that. I know you would. He'd be more
Speaker 2: than happy. But I need some grub man.
Speaker 1: Or we could just rent a kid for his free sandwich,
Speaker 1: which might be more problematic per producer Jay in the
Speaker 1: chat here, So we'll move on from that subject. It
Speaker 1: was Father's Day weekend. The Bucko's got a w on
Speaker 1: Sunday on Father's Day. However, the rest of the series
Speaker 1: was not a the par with how they played today,
Speaker 1: and they were still a lot to be concerned with
Speaker 1: with today's game. I know the Bats got going a
Speaker 1: little bit more, but same old, same old Jim with
Speaker 1: the past couple of series where they get off to
Speaker 1: a slow start at the offense, kind of dragging missing
Speaker 1: O'neo Cruiz, missing Carr Griffin, and then just the.
Speaker 2: Woes from the bullpen continuing.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, there's some more concerns
Speaker 1: that we'll get into with Paul Skeins, Tyler Callahan, people
Speaker 1: just up in arms with Jake Mangham, which I have
Speaker 1: some opinions about as well.
Speaker 2: But let's start with Game one. They just kind of
Speaker 2: go out there and drop an egg, and they did
Speaker 2: the same in Game.
Speaker 1: Two, Cornsfield. You perceived this team putting up numbers. They
Speaker 1: just couldn't get it going.
Speaker 3: Jim that could not and they wasted a good start
Speaker 3: from Bubba like that. Those are the things it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, not only are you kind of like blow
Speaker 3: games because of the bullpen, what you're doing is essentially
Speaker 3: just tossing a good start in the trash camp, you know.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I hate to break it to people, you know,
Speaker 3: everyone says wins don't matter anymore. Pitchers like wins, you know,
Speaker 3: and Bubba's gone through his problems this year. So I
Speaker 3: just thought that that was like one of the big
Speaker 3: things in that game is Bubba course Field. He finally
Speaker 3: has one of his best starts, and it's the first
Speaker 3: game of the series. Why do we have to start
Speaker 3: in a hole? Why are we zero in one before
Speaker 3: the clock hits midnight on Friday night?
Speaker 1: Right, Nine whiffs, forty seven percent fastball usage, which I
Speaker 1: love because he kind of went away from the heavy
Speaker 1: fastball usage the past couple of starts to kind of
Speaker 1: get his bearings about him, and then he was able
Speaker 1: to go back to it and be effective, which was
Speaker 1: really nice to see. Nine whiffs, like I mentioned, gave
Speaker 1: up the one home run, only one strikeout on the
Speaker 1: day for Bubba, which I don't mind because he only
Speaker 1: had two walks.
Speaker 2: He only gave up six hits at course, and I remember, yeah.
Speaker 3: You have to be able to pitch without striking out
Speaker 3: guys sometimes, yes, And it's funny we mentioned that because
Speaker 3: I was just talking to a friend of mine who
Speaker 3: was shooting me some questions about the Pirates, and he
Speaker 3: was asking like, hey, do I have concerns about the
Speaker 3: starting pitching, like why aren't these guys going deeper into
Speaker 3: games sometimes?
Speaker 1: And I said, listen, guys at usually throw punches for
Speaker 1: a living, that like to throw doors and put guys
Speaker 1: on the bench. They're gonna have high pitch counts. They're
Speaker 1: usually not going to go higher deeper into games, and
Speaker 1: we need some of these guys to develop a little
Speaker 1: bit more to be able to be those strikeout pitchers video,
Speaker 1: but also to mix it up in order to get
Speaker 1: the most out of every start. And I thought Bubba
Speaker 1: did a really good job of that. And I know
Speaker 1: the score is three to four loss on the Friday
Speaker 1: night game, but man, they didn't put those runs up
Speaker 1: later on the game.
Speaker 2: It was pretty much nothing the entire game.
Speaker 1: And then Montgomery comes in right when you think the
Speaker 1: Buckos can put it away two thirds of an inning,
Speaker 1: three hits to earn, falls behind in that count three
Speaker 1: to one, and just puts a middle, middle pitch that
Speaker 1: everybody in Major League Baseball is going to hit, and
Speaker 1: the guy drove it into the gap. And that's all
Speaker 1: she wrote there. The only offense you really had was
Speaker 1: lou Valdez doubles. Triolo had a couple of hits. Here's
Speaker 1: my main concern all series, Jim, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw this the entire series.
Speaker 2: The Pirates drew three walks offensively.
Speaker 3: I did not see that three walks.
Speaker 1: It was a walk per game. I think you gotta
Speaker 1: get free bags. They did a really good job of
Speaker 1: that early on in the year of working counts. Horowitz
Speaker 1: has done a really good job the entire year. I
Speaker 1: know O'Hearn has struggled as of late. Again some discourse
Speaker 1: on that as well that we might get into. But
Speaker 1: you're going against some of the worst pitchers, yeah, in
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, and Gano and Kyle Freelan, and they
Speaker 1: just could not get it together. They continue to make
Speaker 1: these guys look like they're saw young pitchers.
Speaker 3: Was that the worst series of the year, Yes, I
Speaker 3: think so, just based on opponent and starting pitching that
Speaker 3: they threw at us, I think it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I know we joked around about going into this
Speaker 1: series what a start against Kyle Freelan may look like,
Speaker 1: and it was just that a guy at seven plus
Speaker 1: ERA and you make them look like Randy Johnson.
Speaker 2: The guy had like a career high eight k's. I
Speaker 2: don't know when the last time he did that in
Speaker 2: a game was and he's going into the seventh inning.
Speaker 2: It's just really, really bad.
Speaker 1: And you could see how bad this Rockies team is
Speaker 1: just from playing them, and you just kept them around
Speaker 1: the entire time. It was Patrick Corbin all over again
Speaker 1: for this team and really frustrating. Yeah, I would put
Speaker 1: it up there with the worst series of the year man,
Speaker 1: and in game two was even worse, and then talk
Speaker 1: about even worse, they put up one run and then
Speaker 1: the way it ended was just mind numbing.
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, here here, okay, so here's here's the clip,
Speaker 3: and tell me what you're Were you watching it live
Speaker 3: because I was not. I yeah, okay, tell me your
Speaker 3: reaction then, and tell me how you've processed it since.
Speaker 1: My reaction was speechless because right when the play was over,
Speaker 1: I looked down at my phone to go look at
Speaker 1: some stats or like to go put out a word
Speaker 1: on Bucko Banter. Then I looked up. I hear my
Speaker 1: girlfriend's family screaming. They're saying he's out. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about?
Speaker 2: He's out.
Speaker 1: There was no contact on the play. It looked like
Speaker 1: Billy Cook was already past him. He ran in a
Speaker 1: straight line. I could see if you know, he runs
Speaker 1: into him and he interferes with him.
Speaker 2: The guy's knocked on the ground, like, obviously you need
Speaker 2: to allow him to make a play on the baseball.
Speaker 2: But just from the naked eye, it didn't look like
Speaker 2: anything right.
Speaker 1: It looks like he's passing, then you sleep on it,
Speaker 1: and then you see the videos later of what the
Speaker 1: foot clipping the glove. It's like, yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: Like I understand that's the rule. I think they got
Speaker 1: it right.
Speaker 2: They did. They got it right. Do I like it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And I know Jay wants to hop in here,
Speaker 2: so allow him to make a comment. But they got
Speaker 2: the call right.
Speaker 1: But for a game to end like that, one sucks
Speaker 1: and two score more than one run.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe don't let it come down to something
Speaker 3: fluky right exactly?
Speaker 2: Jay, Do you want to say something on this?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think definitionally they got the they got the
Speaker 5: call right. But the take I initially thought was just like,
Speaker 5: if he's able to steal feel the ball cleanly and
Speaker 5: come up with it in a place where he's ready
Speaker 5: to throw, I think it's pretty difficult to call interference there, honestly.
Speaker 5: And I think that he might have like the registered
Speaker 5: it with him halfway through the play because I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's just me and I mean obviously looking back on right,
Speaker 5: because he did touch it. But that's just what I
Speaker 5: was thinking, is that if he comes up with the
Speaker 5: ball cleanly, and I think that's pretty difficult to swallow.
Speaker 3: Right, now, did he did, did he go? Did it
Speaker 3: go to review? Or was the call made on the field?
Speaker 2: The call is made on the field, so.
Speaker 3: And then and then and then nothing's reviewed, right because
Speaker 3: reviewed discretion?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so he goes, the play happens. They originally
Speaker 1: call everybody safe. Then the third baseman starts putting his
Speaker 1: hands on his ear freaking out, Rocky's coach comes out,
Speaker 1: umpires get together, then they decide runners out, game over.
Speaker 1: That's how it all went down, which was also really
Speaker 1: frustrating to take on that type.
Speaker 3: Of call because shouldn't it have been if you saw that,
Speaker 3: then shouldn't have been called automatically? That would be my
Speaker 3: gripe is that if it's there and it's clear and
Speaker 3: you saw the contact, that's when it needs to be called,
Speaker 3: not after the not after the dust settles. That's that
Speaker 3: would be my actual gripe, because I do think they
Speaker 3: probably buy the letter of the law, got it right.
Speaker 2: But that sucks, Yeah, it does suck.
Speaker 1: What sucks even more, you know, three for thirteen in
Speaker 1: the first two games is runners in scoring position and
Speaker 1: the only run that you score was the first batter
Speaker 1: of the game. In Spencer Horwitz, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I think he's becoming one of the best leadoff guys
Speaker 1: in all of baseball for not your stereotypical leadof hitter
Speaker 1: or the guy Rakes.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this, but those two losses,
Speaker 3: did you see the stat from off the stats about
Speaker 3: the Pirate the first two games that they are the
Speaker 3: only team in baseball in the last fifty years to
Speaker 3: have the tying run on third with zero outs in
Speaker 3: the ninth inning in two games in a row and
Speaker 3: lose both games.
Speaker 1: Yep, I did see that stat, Jim, and it made
Speaker 1: me sad. It made me really sad.
Speaker 3: It's actually almost impossible to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like nothing seems to be going your way,
Speaker 1: and then in the ninth inning a guy boots a
Speaker 1: ball or you get hit by a pitch, bases load,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, we're finally not cursed. Like,
Speaker 1: look at this, the heavens are opening up. I can
Speaker 1: see the light.
Speaker 2: And then it just shuts on you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh times. Oh it's so demoralizing.
Speaker 3: But again back to what I just said before, which is,
Speaker 3: don't put yourself in these situations. Yeah, it's gonna happen
Speaker 3: every once in a while. Just don't put yourself in
Speaker 3: these situations against a team like that, and then you
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about it. You don't sweat something
Speaker 3: out or feel you got screwed, you know. So that's
Speaker 3: the that's the bigger issue.
Speaker 2: To me right Just by the way, per producer Jay Spencer,
Speaker 2: Horwitz has a higher w RC plus at one thirty
Speaker 2: eight than the following NL first baseman Bryce Harper, Breddy Freeman,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Ronda, Alec Burlson, and more Michael Bush and Alonso
Speaker 2: as well. So the numbers speak for themselves.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he passes the eye test at the plate,
Speaker 1: but he's been that good.
Speaker 2: He's he's all star caliber.
Speaker 1: Right now, let's talk about Horowitz because I think right now,
Speaker 1: with Griffin and Cruise out of the lineup, obviously you're
Speaker 1: seeing some of the flaws with this team, especially at
Speaker 1: the bottom end of the lineup. But the reliance on
Speaker 1: guys like o'hearne, Lau and Horwitz by themselves is not
Speaker 1: sustainable and people are freaking out right now. Even saw
Speaker 1: somebody tweet O'Hearn was not worth the contract. One shut up.
Speaker 1: That's just a silly, horrendous take take a seat, buddy.
Speaker 1: He's been so good all year. Without O'Hearn, this team
Speaker 1: maybe loses a handful of more games. Okay, guys are
Speaker 1: gonna slump in major league baseball.
Speaker 2: I hate to break it to you.
Speaker 1: These as good as major league hitters are, hittings the
Speaker 1: hardest thing to do in professional sports. Guys are not
Speaker 1: gonna do well. You can't rely on him every single
Speaker 1: game to drive in runs. Last series he drove in
Speaker 1: six in one game. Okay, so listen, he's gonna slump
Speaker 1: a little bit. He hasn't put it together some good
Speaker 1: at bats, and I know he wasn't clutched in what
Speaker 1: games one and two here when they could have used him.
Speaker 1: But you can't rely just solely on three guys to
Speaker 1: produce all of the slug and then just have essentially
Speaker 1: zeros from like five to nine throughout the entire line.
Speaker 2: But nobody else is hitting either. Jay makes a good point,
Speaker 2: not just Ham.
Speaker 1: Nobody else was hitting, okay, minus Brian Reynolds and Spencer Horwitz,
Speaker 1: everybody's been pretty much flat, especially at course when you
Speaker 1: know it's elevate to celebrate.
Speaker 2: And Jimmy just like begsaqua.
Speaker 1: Like, how important let's put oneal Cruz aside. How important
Speaker 1: was the twenty year old Connor Griffin to this team?
Speaker 3: Glad you I'm glad you mentioned that because I feel
Speaker 3: like that's what they're missing the most right now. I
Speaker 3: feel like that there is there is a burst of
Speaker 3: energy and I don't want to be cheesy and call vibes,
Speaker 3: but like when he he gives them juice, I think
Speaker 3: it's in the field. I think it's as he was
Speaker 3: starting to come on hitting. I'm hoping that because I
Speaker 3: think we're close. Right he's supposed to go on a
Speaker 3: rehab assignment. Sounds like everything's been positive. I think they
Speaker 3: miss Connor g of him way more than I thought
Speaker 3: they would at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all around, because one, he plays a really good shortstop,
Speaker 1: then you don't have Jared Triolo every day in the lineup.
Speaker 1: Also just the ability to make something happen at the
Speaker 1: back end of the line because remember he really wasn't
Speaker 1: at the top of the lineup for most of it.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of games where he was at
Speaker 1: the top of the line but for the most part
Speaker 1: five through nine and probably the best base runner on
Speaker 1: the team as well.
Speaker 2: Jay brings up a good point.
Speaker 3: So it's so multifaceted with him, and so they're obviously
Speaker 3: going to get that piece back soon, I think. Obviously
Speaker 3: I don't expect it to be a super long rehab assignment,
Speaker 3: but hey, they want to make sure Arm's good and
Speaker 3: be that he gets the at bats right. They're not
Speaker 3: going to throw him right back in there against major
Speaker 3: league pitching, but they have to. It's still a week
Speaker 3: or two away, so they just have to figure out
Speaker 3: a way to get going. You can't wait for the
Speaker 3: twenty year old kid to come back to provide everything.
Speaker 3: It's just not fair to him. And they've got enough
Speaker 3: guys that should be able.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should be able to do it. And I mentioned
Speaker 1: it on the last show. You just need to stay
Speaker 1: afloat right now. But this is a really good opportunity
Speaker 1: this past couple of weeks in order to write the
Speaker 1: ship and get above five hundred comfortably.
Speaker 2: You had the Marlins come into town. I know they
Speaker 2: were hot. They were eight and two out of the
Speaker 2: last ten. They're playing good baseball, a winnable series.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You go to Sacramento, you get off to a slow start,
Speaker 1: you win the series.
Speaker 2: Good. Okay, it wasn't pretty at times, but good.
Speaker 1: Then you go to Colorado and you kind of chalk
Speaker 1: it up as like, hey, let's go in there, take
Speaker 1: care of business, and leave, and then you don't do that,
Speaker 1: and now it makes the next week all that more
Speaker 1: important with a five hundred team and the Mariners coming
Speaker 1: to town and then a division rival in the Red
Speaker 1: to you know, both teams average right now, and you
Speaker 1: should look at it, and you should look at the
Speaker 1: rosters and say, hey, this is something that we should
Speaker 1: be able to take care of. But it just the
Speaker 1: amount of weight that you're putting on yourselves going into
Speaker 1: the All Star break and heading into the trade deadline,
Speaker 1: it just becomes a little bit more difficult to pinpoint.
Speaker 2: What this team really is and what they need to do.
Speaker 1: Obviously, we know what they need to add in terms
Speaker 1: of bullpen help in order to try and at least
Speaker 1: fix that aspect of it, but it's a little bit
Speaker 1: more difficult of a conversation of hey, is this team
Speaker 1: good enough right now without these main pieces, And I
Speaker 1: think the answer is no. Unfortunately, Like they might be
Speaker 1: a good team, they're not a playoff team unless they're
Speaker 1: able to kind of figure this stuff out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they need to get a couple pieces back.
Speaker 3: And then also too, there's a couple guys that do
Speaker 3: need to get on track or that you need more
Speaker 3: out of if quite frankly, you know, and there's the
Speaker 3: ebb and flow of a season. Like you mentioned, slumps
Speaker 3: are going to happen. But you know, O'Hearn now they
Speaker 3: carried them. They carried this team early that has not
Speaker 3: really been the case of late. I think we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about Paul Skins at some point too, that
Speaker 3: you know, what about this version of these guys and
Speaker 3: what do we need more from them?
Speaker 1: Right, let's talk about Skins because this year they're one
Speaker 1: and ten. This season, when Skiings allows more than you
Speaker 1: ready for this, as this is just such a task number.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. When Paul Skins the pitchers, Paul Skins allows
Speaker 2: more than three hits? How dare he allows more than
Speaker 2: three hits in a game?
Speaker 1: You got to be kidding me, Like, guys are going
Speaker 1: out there and throwing one hitters every day. When this
Speaker 1: guy has the audacity to step on a Major league
Speaker 1: mound and allow three hits, the Pirates are one in ten.
Speaker 3: That almost doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's actually making me go a little bit crazy, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm getting like an aneurism here. They're
Speaker 1: one in ten when he allows three or more hits
Speaker 1: and people are freaking out that he's not this god
Speaker 1: of a baseball player one he is.
Speaker 2: He is. He's Paul freaking Skins. He was Rookie of
Speaker 2: the Year, he was cy Young.
Speaker 1: We were talking about how he looked like prime Pedro
Speaker 1: at the first part of the season. Okay, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get back on track. Last year he went through a
Speaker 1: little bit of a lull and he won the Cy Young.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with guys like we just talked
Speaker 1: about Ohearn. I'm not putting them on the same level,
Speaker 1: but guys go through slumps. It's a long season for
Speaker 1: a reason. Major League baseball is really hard, no matter
Speaker 1: who you are. But there are some concerns that I
Speaker 1: think are valid in terms of like the fastball velocity
Speaker 1: going down a bit, in some control of the secondary pitches.
Speaker 1: But he still went out there at Corsefield and through
Speaker 1: a quality start, and people are losing their absolute gords
Speaker 1: over Paul Skins. And him not contributing to this team enough,
Speaker 1: and not only does it making me crazy, but it
Speaker 1: just adds to the situation of like, hey, you're trying
Speaker 1: to get the vibes back on track and then just
Speaker 1: you get this grotesque stat of him allowing three or
Speaker 1: more hits Again, how dare he right? But you talk
Speaker 1: about the need for these starting pitchers to go deep
Speaker 1: into games.
Speaker 2: I don't like Jim.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much more he can do, Like
Speaker 1: he's still a really good picture, Like you can't expect
Speaker 1: him to be just prime Paedro Randy Johnson every single
Speaker 1: time he goes out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not gonna get that for a whole career.
Speaker 3: It's just not going to happen. Like, go look at
Speaker 3: the finishing numbers of the Padro Martinez is and the
Speaker 3: Randy Johnson's. Yes, they have these spots in years of
Speaker 3: absolute brilliance, absolute brilliance, and then it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: tick below that. Like it just it happens. And I
Speaker 3: and I think that's where Paul's at, Like, I mean, clearly,
Speaker 3: you don't you don't ignore everything, Like obviously there's some
Speaker 3: things he's either not doing or seems a bit off
Speaker 3: on that are affecting, like it's kept him from being
Speaker 3: as dominant. I think we could say, you know so,
Speaker 3: I think there's there that's that's valid. The other part
Speaker 3: of this is I would say or ask the question,
Speaker 3: can should the Pirates should still be winning with this version,
Speaker 3: like it's not supposed to be, like, well, they can't
Speaker 3: do anything when Paul's not you know, sub to er,
Speaker 3: Like they should still be finding plenty of wins along
Speaker 3: the way with this guy, even as he is right now.
Speaker 1: Jim six innings, four hits, two earned only two walks,
Speaker 1: eight strikeouts. He gave a home run, which Jay, I'll
Speaker 1: have Jay bring up in just a second. Here he's
Speaker 1: got a two eight six ERA and he had nineteen
Speaker 1: whiffs at Cors nineteen whiffs, and people are ready to
Speaker 1: just send him off as.
Speaker 2: Not being a guy anymore, like he's a guy. All right,
Speaker 2: it's over, it's over, it's over.
Speaker 1: And then you brought in Carmen his first time, not
Speaker 1: piggybacking off of Jared Jones. He looked really good, but
Speaker 1: he had one run the entire game, and Jay bring
Speaker 1: up the mangum, we'll just hide this in so Paul skiings.
Speaker 1: He's let up what thirty home runs in his career,
Speaker 1: Seven of them have been the first batter of game,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a crazy stat. But then you
Speaker 1: get this little league home run of Jake Mangham trying
Speaker 1: to make a play guy, it gets by him alahand
Speaker 1: boots it in the outfield.
Speaker 2: He scores fairly easily. Mangham gets a lot.
Speaker 1: Of hate on social media, and I understand, like people
Speaker 1: who look at stat pages and analytics and everything, you
Speaker 1: see a lot of chase. You see stuff that isn't
Speaker 1: really going to pop off of paper, and then you
Speaker 1: get some some plays like this. I'm going to speak
Speaker 1: as a former outfielder here, and maybe people don't agree
Speaker 1: with this, but I'm going to speak as a ballplayer.
Speaker 1: I played college baseball, I played in the outfield. I
Speaker 1: understand what he's doing here. It's the first inning of
Speaker 1: a game, okay, And you're in a park where you
Speaker 1: run for days here and I think it was either
Speaker 1: Capper or Kevin Young who made up a good point here.
Speaker 1: You're kind of in no man's land, like you don't
Speaker 1: expect him not to run hard after a ball in
Speaker 1: the gap, Okay, Like maybe he makes that split decision
Speaker 1: where he goes, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: What, that's a double.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let it get to the wall and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw the ball in. But I have no
Speaker 1: problem with Jake Ingham going all out in the first
Speaker 1: inning of the game. Nobody on base, so what like,
Speaker 1: you know, he makes the play, people are freaking out,
Speaker 1: And I don't think he was that far off.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like he dove and he was five feet
Speaker 2: off from catching.
Speaker 3: Which sometimes you do see from players and it looks yeah.
Speaker 1: It looks awful, But like, I think he made a
Speaker 1: valid effort at this one. So you expect, you can't
Speaker 1: expect a guy to go all out, which Jake's gonna
Speaker 1: do every single time, and sometimes to his own fault,
Speaker 1: he gets away from himself. I mean, he had some
Speaker 1: base running blunders as well here due to that type
Speaker 1: of product that he puts out on the field. But
Speaker 1: this play specifically, and I think if you ask Paul
Speaker 1: like he wants him to go and try and make
Speaker 1: that play, like, go out there and try try to
Speaker 1: make that play, and you know it could.
Speaker 2: People off all they want.
Speaker 1: I also understand that as a fan, but he either
Speaker 1: going back to my point, he either goes out in
Speaker 1: a full sprint and getting in between Hopper and it's
Speaker 1: going to look awkward and he's probably not going to
Speaker 1: be able to keep it in front of him. You
Speaker 1: go and try and make a play, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of land out there to navigate.
Speaker 2: So I have no problem with this.
Speaker 1: Now you know, has Jake again had some blunders on
Speaker 1: the base paths as he made some mistakes there's a
Speaker 1: lot of chase in the plate. Yes, I understand that,
Speaker 1: but Jake Mangham should not be your everyday centerfielder, and
Speaker 1: he's been put in a position where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: Right now, the type of play that Jake Mingham gives
Speaker 1: you is really good fourth outfielder, which I think was
Speaker 1: by all means and intent, the Pirates objective going into
Speaker 1: the season, and you're just seeing how more important guys
Speaker 1: like o'neo Cruz and having like this full lineup in
Speaker 1: and here actually means. Regardless of O'Neal's defense in the past,
Speaker 1: it was getting better. But like again, I just want
Speaker 1: to put my opinion out there. I don't care about
Speaker 1: that at all. Like I get it, but I don't
Speaker 1: care about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the big point there is like the
Speaker 3: situation and the time in the game than it was.
Speaker 3: You know, if that's the eighth inning and there's a
Speaker 3: runner on like a close game, like sure, obviously you've
Speaker 3: got to be a little bit more smart about what
Speaker 3: you're doing. I have a way bigger issue with Jake
Speaker 3: Mangham running to third on a ball that's hit right
Speaker 3: in front of him to the shortstop and he's out
Speaker 3: by ten feet. I mean, that to me is stuff
Speaker 3: I don't buddy. I mean, I don't care how fast
Speaker 3: you are, You're not gonna You're never gonna You're never
Speaker 3: gonna beat that out. So I take way more issue
Speaker 3: with that stuff than anything about that play in the
Speaker 3: first inning. Yeah, so I'm with you. I'm with you
Speaker 3: on that one, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jay brings up a good point.
Speaker 1: I think Callahan booting the ball is I mean, he
Speaker 1: absolutely does not score. If he doesn't boot that ball,
Speaker 1: it's a triple. Probably people are gonna get be hard
Speaker 1: on Jake Mingham. And again, I know he's not like
Speaker 1: the analytics darling that people have fallen in love with nowadays.
Speaker 1: And if you don't check all those boxes and people
Speaker 1: are going to be pissed off at you, no.
Speaker 2: Matter or what.
Speaker 1: But the guy also has been getting on base and
Speaker 1: he's been hitting, and I think he's doing a lot
Speaker 1: more than what you originally were going to ask for him.
Speaker 3: So just as yeah, I mean what seven shops right now,
Speaker 3: you know that a lot of teams would be in
Speaker 3: worse shape than that having to fill.
Speaker 1: In Yeah, one hundred percent. So I just kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to put it out there. Some other news, O'Neil
Speaker 1: Cruz is getting checked out this week. He has an
Speaker 1: appointment today Monday when this episode comes out to determine
Speaker 1: the next steps. Warbur Hotel through a bullpen in Denver.
Speaker 1: They said he looked okay, so we'll see how that develops.
Speaker 1: Still going to have to make some moves in this bullpen.
Speaker 1: Man like Mason Montgomery has shown that like the high
Speaker 1: leverage situations might not be for him. Dennis Santana has
Speaker 1: like a two hundred and eighty era in Colorado. It's
Speaker 1: actually impressive how bad he's been in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 3: Well, he was a big part of that one last year,
Speaker 3: wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yes he was, he was, And he's
Speaker 1: been good in the pass like ten games, and they're
Speaker 1: even talking about how they talked to him before the
Speaker 1: game and him getting that slider back and locating a
Speaker 1: little bit more and then just boom, can't get now right,
Speaker 1: and like they let him work through the inning. I
Speaker 1: get that, but man, that game was a lot closer
Speaker 1: at the end than I would have cared for well.
Speaker 3: And that's another thing I think that is piling onto
Speaker 3: the Pirate fans psyche right now, which is, even when
Speaker 3: they win, you can't feel particularly good about it, you know,
Speaker 3: because it ends up being way more dicey than you
Speaker 3: need it to be, and so you're not even getting
Speaker 3: the break of a win in one hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: two game season. It's still oh my god, the problem
Speaker 3: is still there. And yes we won, but who cares
Speaker 3: because it's still a huge issue. So it's killing Pirate
Speaker 3: fans in that regard.
Speaker 2: You know, what you shouldn't do is kill other people.
Speaker 1: But if you do, you should definitely call the folks
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Speaker 1: their license here in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll go on records saying murder bad. So well,
Speaker 3: don't do that. But you know, if things go sideways
Speaker 3: on you, they've got your back.
Speaker 1: They do got your back. And I listened. Jay says
Speaker 1: it's big if true.
Speaker 2: Jim mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've always felt very strongly about that, no matter
Speaker 3: what other people think. I like to get out there
Speaker 3: in front of some of these hot button issues.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I know Scott's busy out in Rome or wherever he's gallivancing,
Speaker 1: committing crimes and doing heinous acts overseas. But when he
Speaker 1: gets back, I mean, if he gets extradited, whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, hopefully Farah Weaver and Okan can represent him.
Speaker 2: But if not, he's out of luck.
Speaker 3: Let me, he's just throwing one more thing before we
Speaker 3: look at it. I'm gonna I'm going to give you
Speaker 3: Pedro Martinez his career, all right, two point nine to three,
Speaker 3: and Adam I'll give you one better. You know what
Speaker 3: Randy Johnson's career are.
Speaker 2: Is two point eight four, three point twenty nine.
Speaker 3: Everybody relaxed about Paul Skins.
Speaker 2: Johnson sucked, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, terrible, both those guys terrible, awful. So you know,
Speaker 3: let's keep it in perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. Perspective is good.
Speaker 1: The Mariners to town, all right, if you called last year, myself,
Speaker 1: Scott and Deebo went out to Seattle and we saw
Speaker 1: this Pirates score zero runs in Seattle. The Mariners come
Speaker 1: to town as a five hundred baseball team. They're forty
Speaker 1: and thirty nine. They were able to salvage the Red
Speaker 1: Sox series and win today, but they've kind of had
Speaker 1: the same issues as the Pirates. They cannot hit lefties, Jim.
Speaker 1: This team has absolutely struggled. They're not getting you know,
Speaker 1: the cow Rawley production. Obviously, he went on the io
Speaker 1: and he's on a rehab stin they're just things. Are yeah,
Speaker 1: very pirate esk They're they're the pirates of the West.
Speaker 2: Okay, and.
Speaker 1: They even have too many starters and they're going through
Speaker 1: the whole piggyback situation. You're gonna see some of their
Speaker 1: best this week. Okay, Tuesday, you get Keller versus George Kirby.
Speaker 1: Jay pull up these graphics for our fine viewers here
Speaker 1: and if you're listening, listen along. This year George Kirby
Speaker 1: is five and seven with a four tint era, a
Speaker 1: seventy nine k's and a one to three to one whip,
Speaker 1: the Arsenal four seam sweeper, sinker, curve change cutter, tall frame.
Speaker 1: You're getting a large human being with a fluid delivery,
Speaker 1: elite control, low walk rate. The sinker is able to
Speaker 1: induce soft contact early in counts, and you can work
Speaker 1: both sides of the plate slider and curve tunnel well
Speaker 1: off the fastballs and generate excellent horizontal sweep. Here really
Speaker 1: good first game with George Kirby versus Mitch Keller. Remember,
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Speaker 1: to Wednesday, you get Brax and Ashcraft versus the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five All Star in Brian Wu this year, he's
Speaker 1: six and five with a three nine four ERA eighty
Speaker 1: eight k's with a one whip. Might see a piggyback
Speaker 1: situation here. This is how Seattle is operating nowadays. But
Speaker 1: the Arsenal four seams, snker, sweeper, slider change, low slot release,
Speaker 1: excellent command with riding fastball works well at the top
Speaker 1: of the zone. Slider sweeper compliments off the fastball with
Speaker 1: excellent command on the glove side on right handed hitters,
Speaker 1: He's going to be in the zone ninety seven percent
Speaker 1: in the walk percentile still generates a ton of chase.
Speaker 1: So while he's going to command the zone a lot,
Speaker 1: he's able to put you away with their secondary pitches.
Speaker 1: And then Thursday you're going to get another Bubba Chandler
Speaker 1: start versus Bryce Miller, who is three and one this
Speaker 1: year with a one to five to seven ERA forty
Speaker 1: three k's with a point seven whip, the arsenal four teams,
Speaker 1: split finger, slider, cutter, sweeper, knuckle, curve, sinker. The four
Speaker 1: seam is his signature pitch since mid nineties, high spin, rates, late,
Speaker 1: explosive life, attacks the zone with fastball, and generates tons
Speaker 1: of whiff. The slider is a primary breaking ball that
Speaker 1: works well off of the heater.
Speaker 2: Command and control are his biggest strengths.
Speaker 1: It is I mean, like, again, the Mariners have not
Speaker 1: been playing great baseball, but this is going to be
Speaker 1: a difficult series for the Pirates.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: You're facing a lot of good arms here, and it's
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna it's not gonna.
Speaker 2: Be easy smooth games here.
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna have to go out there and get
Speaker 1: solid outings from your your pitchers. But then you're also
Speaker 1: going to have to hit the baseball as you should
Speaker 1: every single game.
Speaker 2: But like you're gonna have to put up some runs here.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to put up runs. And the Mariners
Speaker 3: are one of those teams where they're what a game
Speaker 3: over five hundred, they just happen to be in the
Speaker 3: right division to where that lead. They're leading their division
Speaker 3: because of it, right, but they're they're I mean, so
Speaker 3: they have, they have some They have just as much
Speaker 3: to play for right now as the Pirates do. I
Speaker 3: mean to be quite honest with you. Now, I know
Speaker 3: that Julio Rodriguez had some things going on, but it
Speaker 3: looks like he's back in that lineup. So obviously streaky guy.
Speaker 3: You catch him on the wrong week and it could
Speaker 3: be bad.
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Speaker 1: The picture of the week is none other than mister
Speaker 1: Paul Skeins. I know what horandous, just career altering start
Speaker 1: from him with six innings, four hits, two earned, two walks,
Speaker 1: eight strikeouts, gave up that Mickey Mouse home run.
Speaker 2: He's got a two eight six era and nineteen whiffs.
Speaker 3: Here's my issues. You mentioned you gave a four hits,
Speaker 3: not so that's three or more should automatically disqualify him.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I'm sick of guys on this team
Speaker 1: just thinking about themselves.
Speaker 3: I really out there and getting hammered.
Speaker 2: You should know that this team is one and ten.
Speaker 2: When you give up more than three.
Speaker 3: Hits, yeah, I mean, who is that on when it
Speaker 3: all comes down to it?
Speaker 2: Ridiculous? And then hey, the hitter of the week is
Speaker 2: Brian Reynolds.
Speaker 1: Mister June himself eleven for twenty three with three bombs
Speaker 1: nine RBIs five extra base hits.
Speaker 2: He's been having a career year and I.
Speaker 1: Really hope he's able to continue this and in the
Speaker 1: production that you're seeing from him, it's good to see
Speaker 1: that after last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jay even mentions he's working on that bat drop,
Speaker 3: which you know, there's some stiff competition on this team
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 2: There really is. I mean, Spence is just an all timer.
Speaker 3: He's got some ps, he's he's he's a straight up pimp.
Speaker 3: When he hits a homer.
Speaker 1: One percent, well, hey, this is a good episode. Was
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Speaker 4: Seats at the Pirates, get it, Let me run the base. Yeah,
Speaker 4: my time is like my money because I can't afford
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