1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Body Bats with Joseph Scott More. One of the toughest 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: things I had to learn when I was growing up 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: was how to drive. And let me tell you why 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: it was hard for me. I was not allowed to 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: drive an automatic transmission car. I had to drive a 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: manual transmission. And I had one individual who was my 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: stepfather that was attempting to teach me, and anytime I 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: screwed up, that was met with the back of his hand, 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: and he was constantly frustrated by the idea that I 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: couldn't get the hang of the clutch. And to make 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: matters worse, I had saved my money and actually bought 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: a nineteen sixty eight Mustang and he had three speed transmissions. 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: I had to learn how to drive this thing. Who 14 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: doesn't want one in nineteen sixty eight Mustang with a 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: three speed transmission. So it was a very frustrating time 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: for me. But you know, I had a friend of 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: mine that I grew up with, and he's a friend 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: of the family. He said, let me take him out. 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: I'll have him driving, you know, within just a couple hours, 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: And sure enough, we went out to this huge church 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: that had a massive parking lot and we just we 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: had that thing. It looked like it was in a rodeo. 23 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: It's like a horse just bucking back and forth. But 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: sooner or later I got the hang of it. That's 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: the thing about driving a manual transmission. It becomes secondary 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: after a while, but you know there's a lot going 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: on there. You really have to be focused, you know, 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: anticipating hills and anticipating people that are maybe in front 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: of you. You have to gear down. It's not like 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: an automatic transmission. It's going to kind of slow you 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: down a little bit. How much more so do you think, though, 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: when you're driving down the road and you have not 33 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: only your life that you're looking out for to protect, 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: but let's face it, you're trying to protect the lives 35 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: of others that are in your path. All it takes 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: is to take your eyes off the road, or all 37 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: it takes is for an individual take one more head 38 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: of coke or one more sip of alcohol, and people's 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: lives are ruined forever and ever. Today, owned bodybacks, we're 40 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: going to talk about one such case that has recently 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: hit the news, and I got to tell you it 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: s as depraved as just about anything out there that 43 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: we cover. Coming to you from the beautiful campus of 44 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is 45 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: Bodybacks Dave mac We had this case come across our 46 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: desk collectively. It's been in the news and it was 47 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: a reminder I think of other cases that are not 48 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: too dissimilar where an automobile has been a guess essentially 49 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: turned into a weapon and weaponized. Now, whether or not 50 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: it was intentionally turned into a weapon, I can tell 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: you it was lethal machinery, if you'll put it that way, Yeah, 52 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: it was a lethal weapon, Joe. 53 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: When I was a kid and we had I lived 54 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: in a state where two things One, if you wanted 55 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: to be driving at sixteen, you had to take Driver's 56 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: ed and we also used high school students as school 57 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: bus drivers. You could take the school bus driving class 58 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: and learn to be a school bus driver with your 59 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: learners permit, which is what I did. I actually learned, really, 60 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: I learned to drive stick shift on a school bus 61 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: manual transmission with no power steering. After learning to drive 62 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: stick on a school bus, believe me, driving a three 63 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: speed anything is pretty much a piece of cake. But 64 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: in this particular case, here friends this case hit us 65 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: hard because, first ofly, you got a thirty eight year 66 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: old mom who is on her e bike ten o'clock 67 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: at night, Saint Petersburg, Florida, when Xavier Digby, twenty two 68 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: years old, comes flaming down the street drunk and hits 69 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: her from behind. 70 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: He hit the back. She was in a bike lane. 71 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: You know, there are communities all over around the world, 72 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: all around our country in particular, where they have a 73 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: bike lane. It's just for e bikes and bicycles and 74 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: cars don't drive in that lane. 75 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: It's just for bikes. 76 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: She was in the bike lane when this young man 77 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: came behind her and hit her on the back. 78 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: Tire hit her so hard, Joe. 79 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: She came flying through the windshield, flying through the wind, 80 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 4: her body dense the hood of the car and bam, 81 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: she is wedged in the windshield. 82 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: Now, Joe, for most of us, hitting something is going 83 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: to make you slam on the brakes. Oh my gosh, 84 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: what just happened. Xavier Digby didn't stop. Thirty eight year 85 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: old Kirsten Stang is in his windshield. He keeps driving. 86 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: He keeps driving for eight blocks. Joe, she fell out 87 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: of the car, out of the windshield something. He hit 88 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: a bump pahole. It jarred her loose and her body 89 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: fell to the roadway. He didn't stop to check on her. 90 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: He kept driving. It was other citizens who were horrified 91 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: by what they were seeing, and when they saw the 92 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: poor woman's body fall off the car, they stopped and 93 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: called police. Now it was quite the spectacle seeing him 94 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: driving down the road. People saw it. They're calling for 95 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: help and so helped it arrive. But Kirsten Strang did 96 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: not survive. This guy kept driving, Joe. They did locate 97 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: him about a mile away. He was it a liquor store. 98 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: Wow, what a shock. 99 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: It was closed, but he was sitting in the parking lot, 100 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: either waiting for them to open or trying to figure 101 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: out how to get in. That's the story we're talking 102 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: about today. 103 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing to me. How And I don't know 104 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: why I would even say amazing or why would be shocked. 105 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: I think I'd like to have people believe that that 106 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: I still have that bit of humanity within me. But Dave, 107 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, brother, the longer we go, 108 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: the it's it's spinning down the drain. You know, you 109 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: think about these cases and Listen. This is not the 110 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: first time that we have had a case over the 111 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: years where something like this happens. I'm reminded actually of 112 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: the two young men that I don't know if you 113 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: were called. Do you remember this case where the two 114 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: young men ran down a call them men losing using 115 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: that term loosely. They ran down the guy who's a 116 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: retired police officer on his bicycle and ran him over 117 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: and killed him. And they did it for their own 118 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: personal entertainment. Yeah. That that that is true weaponization of 119 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: a car, you know, of an automobile, and you know, 120 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: you have things like this that happened. You know, I 121 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: think that automobiles in particular, they can make people, even 122 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: even the uh maybe the most fainthearted among us, seem 123 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: very brave. You know, when you get behind some beast 124 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: out there driving down the road and you're traveling sixty 125 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: sixty five miles per hour and you feel completely protected, 126 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: maybe you fly off the handle. Maybe you think you're 127 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: gonna be safe in there. If you're you know, if 128 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: you're a quote unquote pulling a cork, you know before 129 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: you mount up in your car, maybe you're doing it 130 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: while you're going down the road, whatever the case might be, 131 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: but it changes people in that environment and even you know, 132 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: and this is not I don't know that we can 133 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: necessarily say that this is a case of road rage 134 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: per se, but just think about how many times and 135 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: I look, I'm chief among centers. I'll sit here and 136 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: I will tell you I gotta go ask forgiveness because 137 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: I have let it fly, you know, going down the 138 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: road when somebody is you know, cuts me off or 139 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: to end the story is as old as time. But 140 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, you're embolden when you're inside of a vehicle 141 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: like this, and it's an amazing dynamic. I think, whereas 142 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: if you were just going down the road and maybe 143 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: you're jogging down the road, or maybe you're riding your 144 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: bike down the road and you're in the same lane 145 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: with her, even if you're drunk, or are you going 146 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: to try to drive your shoulder into her, you know, 147 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: into this poor woman and kill her. Are you going 148 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: to try to bumper off the road with your bicycle? 149 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: Probably not. I think it's just the idea of being 150 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: in a vehicle. We're completely encapsulated in the steel and 151 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: glass bubble and you feel like you can do anything 152 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: you want. And you're not gonna actually, no harm is 153 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: going to come to you. But this poor woman who's 154 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: a single mother's life is completely snuffed out. 155 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: So many you know what, it's not just her, it's 156 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: her son and her mother because now her son will 157 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: be taken care of by grandma. And you know the 158 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: dynamic that just changed because somebody got behind the wheel 159 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: drunk and drove. But Joe, when I saw this story, 160 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: I might I was thinking about you because I wonder 161 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: do police call when you have an accident? This isn't 162 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: an accident. This is this is going to be a 163 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: body in the street that has been hit by a car. 164 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: And the story you're gonna get is going to be 165 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: peeled together by it because it's eight blocks long before 166 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: she fell off the car. 167 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: Joe, So you've got the bike back at impact. 168 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going to assume now as the investigator, 169 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: you're going to to be called. I would hope called 170 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: to the scene when god forbid, they knew she was dead. 171 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: When you know she died on the scene, she wasn't. 172 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: She didn't die at the hospital. Do they call you then? 173 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: Do they call an investigator? 174 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: Right now? We have a dead body in the street. 175 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, And. 176 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: What are you going to do? 177 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: Though, Well, it's a weird thing. You know, we hadn't 178 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: really talked about this much on you know, we're we're 179 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: heading toward five hundred episodes now, and I know that 180 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: we've had cases involving automobiles, but I don't know that 181 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: I really kind of peel back the uh, the skin 182 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: on this thing relative to what we do, you know, 183 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: in the medical examiner corner world when it comes to 184 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: motor vehicle accidents. But we spend you know, I probably 185 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: spend as much time on car accident scenes as I 186 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: did at homicide scenes over the years. 187 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 3: And would this be considered a homicide? 188 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. I'm glad you brought it up. 189 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: And here's why. This is one of those cases where 190 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: you will have a medical examiner, which in Florida, of course, 191 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about Saint Pete in Florida, where they don't 192 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: have corners, so they have medical examiners. They have the 193 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: states actually broken into districts kind of like the way 194 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: it's set up, tell the truth, and then you have 195 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the police that are two separate investigations here. So the 196 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: goal of the medical examiner is to rule this as 197 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 1: a whatever manner it's going to be. You know, the 198 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: cause of death is going to be pretty pretty obvious. 199 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be massive blunt force trauma. I can 200 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: tell you that without having the autopsy report in front 201 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: of me, she's going to probably sustain massive head trauma. 202 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: She might even have what's called a flail chest if 203 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: she was impacted on a bike, which means her ribs 204 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: are literally going to be floating where bilally fractured, may 205 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: be punctured long dependent upon where the point of impact is. 206 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: If she's seated like this on a bike, maybe pelvic fractures, 207 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: spinal fractures, you know this source, and not to mention 208 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: the blunt trauma to her internal organs. Many times, what 209 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: you'll see I've seen, let's see, I've seen lacerated kidneys, 210 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: spleens and particular spleens are very fragile, you bleed out 211 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: from them. But probably the biggest one is going to 212 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: be the liver. And you know, with that kind of impact, 213 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: but you go out to the scene and you're still 214 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: going to work this as a crime scene. Here's the rub, 215 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, for a medical examiner to rule a motor 216 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: vehicle event as a homicide. You're going to have to 217 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: prove to that attending pathologists forensic pathologist, that there is 218 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: intent okay, because they might rule this and I would 219 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: say probably a significant percentage of medical examiners out there 220 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: that would do this autopsy you are going to rule 221 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: this as an accident day. They're not going to rule 222 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 1: this as a homicide. Whereas with the authorities with the 223 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: police department. You know, with canon of law, depending upon 224 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: what states you're in, you can have vehicular homicide, you 225 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: can have negligent I mean, there's all there's this litany 226 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: of various degrees or charges that you can hook an 227 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: individual up on. So we're going to conduct a death investigation. 228 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: When we arrive out there, we'll be working with the 229 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: accent investigators, who, by the way, if you've never been 230 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: in the company of a true accident investigator, they are 231 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: the unsung heroes in forensics. Just the mathematics alone to 232 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: be certified. I was down at the State Police Academy 233 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: in Georgia many years ago taking classes. You know that 234 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: I would periodically and I would see these poor guys 235 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: would that we're going through the accent investigation and it 236 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: was a multi stage course that you had to go through, 237 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: and you had to have a baseline understanding of physics 238 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: in order to make it through it. And these guys 239 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: would be sweating this class. I mean, it really really difficult. 240 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: But they are brilliant. And if you find one that's 241 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: good at what they do, they're amazing. They can they 242 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: can tell you so much about the dynamics of vehicle 243 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: on vehicle, vehicle on person. They can even factory in 244 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: weather conditions, road surface conditions. Amazing, amazing investigators. And I 245 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: always enjoyed work because you know, it's like when you're 246 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: around really bright people, you kind of some of it 247 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: might slough off on you. You might be privileged enough 248 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: just to have a bit of their knowledge drip down 249 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: onto you. And I would learn something every time I 250 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: was out with them. But you know, their investigation is 251 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: going to be trying to decide whether or not they're 252 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: going to charge this person that did this. Our investigation 253 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: is going to surround you know, obviously the cause of death, 254 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: which you know is going to be pretty obvious, but 255 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: then you get into this kind of ticklish area where 256 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: you're trying to site are you going to call this 257 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: a homicide? Are you going to call this an accident? 258 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, the classic definition of 259 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: homicide is that it's generally defined as death at the 260 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: hand of another. It makes sense, right, you know, it's 261 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: a homicide. You're not judging anybody. You know, it's death 262 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: at the hand of another. It's pretty simplistic. It's very clinical, 263 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: you know when you hear it. But for some reason 264 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: there are a lot of medical examiners out there that 265 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: will rule these cases as accidental deaths. They're going to 266 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: want to have like many times they'll they'll won't I've 267 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: heard them use the term specific intent. They're they're going 268 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: to want to say, Okay, did this person actually weaponize 269 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: this vehicle and say I'm going to go out with 270 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: the intention of running this person over and killing them. 271 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: And so that's that's kind of the hill you have 272 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: to climb with with with pathologists in this in this 273 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: in this dynamic. 274 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: Between driving down the road and a guy cuts you off. 275 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: You're riding a bike and you go into a sub 276 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: the rate that has the water drain, and you go 277 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: over the handlebars and you master your melon and he 278 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: keeps on trucking. You know, that's an accident. He doesn't 279 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: even know you fell, you know, it just happens. That's 280 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: an accident. This is a guy who got behind the 281 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: wheel of the car drunk, knew he was drunk when 282 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: he got behind it. Because by the way Xavier, the 283 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: suspect in this case, I should say alleged, I guess 284 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: he was charged with Adrian Rigby allegedly got behind the 285 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: wheel drunk, and Rigby was allegedly more than twice drunk. 286 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: And Xavier Rigby had already done this before and pled 287 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: it out of a dui. Xavier Rigby is such a 288 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: risk to humanity on the road that the judge actually 289 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: sat him with a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond. 290 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: But I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, Joe, she's 291 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: in the bike lane. It's ten o'clock at night, and 292 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: he has to be out of his lane and into 293 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: the bike lane. But then he has to hit her 294 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: with such force. Now I'm not a mathematician, but I 295 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: have on a k tried to be a test crash dummy. 296 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: A crash test dummy, what are you gonna call him? 297 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, all right, he's driving and he hits 298 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: the back tire of her bike, and he moves that 299 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: bike with such force that she lets go. Okay, her 300 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: hands are off the wheel and her body then the 301 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: bike gets pushed out of the way and her body 302 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: now is in the windshield. Right, That's what happened and 303 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: the impact of that. For most of us, we would 304 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 2: know we hit something and we would stop. First thing, 305 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: go to the When you see a pine cone dropped 306 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: from a tree in the street, you hit the brakes. 307 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: You know, we see something, we see a cup in 308 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: the road, We hit the brakes because you don't even 309 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: know what else there could be. 310 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 3: But this guy doesn't hit the brakes. He hits the 311 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 3: gas and he doesn't. 312 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: Just yeah, and so you're transferring. You're transferring, literally transferring 313 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: that energy from the vehicle to the back of that bike, 314 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: because he would have made contact with the rear of 315 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: that bike first, you know, as as stated, and you're 316 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: right about the dynamic of this thing, potentially because the bike. 317 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: You know, you've got two separate, two separate entities here, 318 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: all right. You've got the bicycle and you've got her. 319 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: They're both traveling through space together. They're traveling at a 320 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: known speed. All right. The vehicle though, is creating its 321 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: own energy as it's going down the road, and that 322 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: energy is going to be transferred into the rear tire 323 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: of that bike. Now, the inertia of this thing and 324 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: the dynamic of it, and it's it's really kind of 325 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: interesting because she's riding on a bicycle, the tire, the 326 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: rear tire is making contact with the road. That's now prohibitive. Okay, 327 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: so what happens. Let me just ask you this. This 328 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: is a question that just about any well in our 329 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: generation ten year old boy could answer. What happens if 330 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: you were to throw on the brakes of your bike 331 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: and lift the handlebars up at the same time, Well, 332 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: you're going to go backwards. You're stopping at that point 333 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: in time, and you're almost like popping a will at wheelie. Right. 334 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: But the problem is is that now this car is 335 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: moving forward, it's got the tire, it's captured, and it's 336 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: the cars continuing forward. The tire is being mashed, and 337 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: so she's going to travel backwards at this point in time, 338 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, kind of literally kind of catapulting her backwards. 339 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: And the idea that she impacted this windshield, Dave is 340 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: arguably one of the most gruesome things that you can 341 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: even think about. But hey, you know what, her death. 342 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope against hope that was sudden. But 343 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's always that outside chance that if you 344 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: saw it happen, if you were the cause of it, 345 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: you have at least some semblance of humanity within your 346 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: soul to want to stop and render aid instead of 347 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: trucking on down to the local package store. I got 348 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: to tell you this, Other than fire scenes, no no, no, no, no. 349 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: I never felt really safe at fire scenes. But I 350 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: have to say, Dave, motor vehicle accidents. I'm you know, 351 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking about me personally right now. Motor vehicle accidents. 352 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: I was always terrified on them. I've actually seen investigators 353 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 1: get hit brushed particularly, I've seen firefighters get brushed by cars. 354 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: And you have to consider where I finish my career 355 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: up Atlanta, which is a nightmare in a traffic environment. 356 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: I've been on too eighty five, which is the big 357 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: ring refur to. 358 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: Judge called to eighty five the Georgia Audubon. 359 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, years ago, you know, And it's weird. Either 360 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: you'll see one or two things happen out there. Either 361 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: people will be going so fast that they just kind 362 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: of melt into the background and you like you see 363 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: them rush by, or it's a parking lot, and sometimes 364 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: that can you know, you can be stuck in a 365 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: parking lot in ON two on I two eighty five 366 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: in Atlanta at one o'clock in the morning. You know, 367 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: that's that's the way it is because the volume of traffic, 368 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: that's the only thing. It's not necessarily because the population 369 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: of Atlanta. It's it's the confluence of I twenty, I 370 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: seventy five, and I eighty five, all of the all 371 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: of those highways there's Interstate. They intersect in Atlanta, I 372 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: mean literally crisscross each other. So you got three major 373 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: vessels in that city, and it made there were a 374 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: lot of motor vehicle access. I went out on and worked, 375 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: but there was I would have to say that I 376 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: was more afraid from my personal safety on highways than 377 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: any other time, because you know, you're trying to focus 378 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: on what's before you relative and you're taking a look 379 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: at things like the skid marks that are left behind 380 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: on the road as somebody's supplying the brakes. You're looking 381 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: for a broken glass you're looking, you're looking for bits 382 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: of the body, which happened quite a bit. I've had 383 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: cases where people hit so hard that you'll have multiple 384 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: traumatic amputations, you know, out of the scene. And don't 385 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: even started on train accidents because those are really really brutal. 386 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: But we're talking about autos here. But there was always 387 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: that thing in the back of my mind where I 388 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: felt like somebody's going to slide into us and hit 389 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: us because people don't pay attention, you know. And the 390 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: other thing is they're drawn to the lights, right they're 391 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: nosing nellies, you know, lots of times if you get one, 392 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: and if you get one person that's not a nosy 393 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: nelly and they're on their phone or whatever they're doing, 394 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: and they're so distracted, you wind up with multiple people 395 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: injured or even somebody else killed. It's a very dangerous 396 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: environment to get in. That's why like accident investigators cops 397 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: in general, particularly traffic traffic officers, a tip of the 398 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: cap to them, man, because I got to tell you, 399 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: it is a dangerous job. I mean, it's very dangerous 400 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: being out there working motor vehicle accidents. You know. I've 401 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: had police officer friends that have been hit that we're 402 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: directing traffic. Again, that's a police people don't think about 403 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: that as a very dangerous, dangerous side job. If it's 404 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: a side job, it's a very dangerous job if you've 405 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: been assigned to it. You know, motor cops guys on motorcycles. Again, 406 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: it looks really cool. You're thinking that you're you know 407 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: that you're Eric, Eric is straw to you know your chips, 408 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, yeah, Willcox and you know you're 409 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: you're out there. It looks really cool, but it's it's 410 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: a very dangerous occupation. So you know, you you think 411 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: about that environment and not just that, but it's being 412 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: displayed before you. Your humanity picks up on this because 413 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: you're you're thinking to yourself, Okay, I'm out here, and 414 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: this person has painted the roadway with their blood okay, 415 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: or their organs. This happens a lot, and you're thinking, 416 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 1: my lord, this could happen to me out here, And 417 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird. You know, you would think 418 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: that you'd be very fearful out on like a homicide 419 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: where there's been major gun play or something like that. 420 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: Most of the time, so I've been shot at before 421 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: most of the time when you're out there, the parties 422 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: have dispersed. At that point in time, cars cars don't disperse. 423 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: World keeps on turning, and so we you know, I 424 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: think that probably probably as far as traumatic events in America, 425 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm almost positive this as a matter of fact, I 426 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: know I am. As far as trauma related deaths, motor 427 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: vehicle accents outpace everything else. You know, firearms, knives, bludgeons, 428 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, anything like that. You know, Joe, motor vehicle 429 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: actions kill more people. 430 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And oftentimes when I think about a car accident, 431 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: I don't I don't go immediately to the fatality because 432 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: that's not been my role in life. It's been people 433 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: have a vendor bender, you call insurance and move on. 434 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: But your life, when it comes to a wreck, it's 435 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: you're right, I remember you know you were talking about 436 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: the those who are the first ones on the scene. 437 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: You know, those first responders. You're the last responder and 438 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: by the time you're out there to try to figure 439 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: out what happened. That's why the traffic is moving again, 440 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: because you know, when they're in the midst of cleaning 441 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: it up, it's pretty much out of standstill, creeping along. 442 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: But once it's moved off to the side, people are 443 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 2: now trying to make up for lost time. It didn't 444 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: occur to me how scary they would be. Have you 445 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: ever changed a tire? Everyone changing a tire on the 446 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: interstate when people are driving eighty plus miles an hour 447 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: by and you're eight feet away trying to change a 448 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: tire's That was when I when I had to do that, 449 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: I went, oh, my gosh, Now I know why this 450 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: is so dangerous. You don't think about it when you're driving, 451 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: but now I'm thinking, you're out there, You're trying to 452 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: figure out what happened. It's going to be probably at night, 453 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: everybody's flying down the road trying to make up for 454 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: lost time because they sat in traffic for the last 455 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: hour and a half. Holy moly, what is I I 456 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: kind of promise you I'd never ask worst case scenario 457 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: or worst thing you've ever seen when it comes to 458 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 2: an automobile thing. 459 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: Joe, do you have you have a list of worst Yeah? 460 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got yeah, there's crazy, it's yeah, it's you 461 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: see so much stuff because you know, in the medical 462 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: legal world relative to motor vehicles, because first off, the 463 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: dynamic you're talking about a hot speed event many times, 464 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: and it could take all forms. I've had homicides committed 465 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: with motor vehicles. I've had suicides committed with motor vehicles, 466 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: people driving into fixed objects. That doesn't matter of fact 467 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: how time is dependent though, Uh, well, you have to 468 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: go back and go into you know, what was their intent, 469 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, any suicidal ideation, vocalization where they end their 470 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: psychiatric care, where they depressed and all this stuff. Yeah, 471 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: and then you know you have people that, you know, 472 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: just the really tough ones to prove are people that 473 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: have pre existing medical conditions that maybe they have a 474 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: heart attack or a diabetic event and they run off 475 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: the road and to kill somebody else. That does happen, 476 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've had I know of one case in 477 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: Atlanta that was actually on two a five where a 478 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: guy was passed out at the wheel and he was 479 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: driving I guess it was like forty to forty five 480 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: miles per hour and leaned over in the seat and 481 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: wound up and people had seen him go for miles 482 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: like this. The car is stayed on the road. My 483 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: guy finally ran off and hit hit a bridge abutment. 484 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: He was dead. And the question is was he dead 485 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: when he hit the bridge or was he did the 486 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: impact killed him because he had trauma. But yeah, so 487 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think about what we refer to, you know, 488 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: with with this poor woman down and Saint Pete. This 489 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: is what you call a cabin intrusion is and it's 490 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: just a fancy way of saying that, you know, something 491 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: entered the cabin of the car. Now that can be 492 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, an object that you know, like one of 493 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: these idiots that takes rocks and throws them off of bridges, 494 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: cinder blocks, all of these kids that do it and 495 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: then sit back and laugh after they've done it. You 496 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: can you can have animals. I've had friends of mine 497 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: that have I've never have, but I've had friends of 498 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: mine that have work cases where you have you have 499 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: animals that will come through windshields deer. There was a 500 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: gray old picture we had in our in our collection 501 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: of black and white down in New Orleans, where lady 502 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: had hit and this was back in the fifties. I'll 503 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: never forget it. The image just stayed with me. Hit 504 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: a mule and the mule came through the windshield and 505 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: killed her. And that that does happen. People think that 506 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't, and then you have people that come through 507 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: windshields and that's that's cabin intrusion. Probably. I think one 508 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: of the most bizarre cases, Dave was actually a case 509 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: that I worked in New Orleans that involved domestic violence 510 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: of all things. You had a guy who had worked 511 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: as a pimp and he had a huge, like late 512 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: seventies and Lincoln town car, the kind that had the 513 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: retractable lights or the lights kind of lift up on 514 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: the front, and it was all pimped out. I mean 515 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: it was you know, it was a really nice car, 516 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, if that's your sort of thing. He had 517 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: this young lady in the car with him that was 518 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: his quote unquote girlfriend that he had been knocking around, 519 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: and of course she was more than a girlfriend, she 520 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: was a meal ticket and he had several of these women. 521 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: But anyway, he got into a fight going down to 522 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: I Ten with her, reached over and gave her a 523 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: right cross while he's going down the road and hit 524 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: her in the jaw. She grabbed the steering wheel at 525 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: the same time and pulled the car over into the 526 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: side of the road and bailed. Well, he was shocked 527 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: that she did this. She literally goes out of the 528 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: car and runs and at this point in ten I 529 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: ten is like, let me get this straight. It's either 530 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: eight or ten lanes across, and it's people are cooking 531 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: on this thing. And she makes it across all of 532 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: the westbound lanes and gets to the divider, jumps over 533 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: the divider, and makes it across the other lanes heading east. 534 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: This rocket scientist gets out of the car, goes around it. 535 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: He makes it to the fourth I think it was 536 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: the fourth lane on the westbound side, and there was 537 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: a cabby coming down the road. We were right by 538 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Airport and the cabby hit this guy, 539 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: and this guy, the pimp, came through the windshield, decapitated 540 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 1: him and the rest of the trunk of his body 541 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: was embedded into the windshield and the decapitated head was 542 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: in the back seat. There was not a fair in 543 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: the car. The guy was going to the airport. And 544 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this guy. The guy could barely speak English, 545 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: and he was saturated in blood because when he hit 546 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: that guy, immediately it took the guy's head off. So 547 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: he's got arterial spray that's just going, you know, all 548 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: over him, saturated and I felt really sorry for this 549 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: guy who's on the side of the road that had 550 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: a blanket around. The e mts were out there, and 551 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, the young lady, I'm happy to say, was 552 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: not harmed. She had an angel on her shoulder that night, 553 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: because you know, she very well could have been. But 554 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, you see. 555 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: These imagine this guy going back home explaining why he 556 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: left the United States and went back home. 557 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's explaining what precisely. It's like, this is just 558 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: two nuts for me. 559 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: You know, what are the odds that that that sort 560 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: of thing has happened? But you know that's that's why 561 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: it's so jaw dropping. Many times you get you get this, uh, 562 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: these vehicles that are traveling in a high rate of 563 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: speed and they can cause all kinds of odd things, 564 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, to happen on that same stretch of road. 565 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: I actually had a mother and daughter at Christmas time 566 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: that we're going down I ten to go shop for Christmas. 567 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: And the rear the left rear wheel off of an 568 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: eighteen wheeler that was headed eastbound came off. And I'm 569 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: not talking about a tire, I'm talking about the entire wheel, 570 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: the housing with the tire on it bounced for probably 571 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, probably about two hundred yards down the road, 572 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: hopped the median, the center divide wall, and the mom 573 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: and daughter that were going to go Christmas shopping they 574 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: caved in the roof of their car and killed them 575 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: both instantaneously. You never know, you yeah, you never know 576 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: what you're you know what you're going to encounter out there, 577 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: but you know, there's there's a there's a piece of 578 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: me that begins to think about this. It's one thing 579 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: to have, you know, like the cabby you know that's 580 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: got the pimp that's, you know, trying to chase down 581 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: this young woman, the tire that comes loose. Those things 582 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: are almost explainable. On one level, they're shocking, but they're 583 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: almost explainable. What's inexplicable is when one fellow human being 584 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: decimates another and ends their life and doesn't even have 585 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: the soul to stop and render aid. They've correct me 586 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But is there or is there not 587 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: a case? I could have sworn that I have had 588 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: something to do with this case, but it kind of 589 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: predates me as to when I was doing news appearances. 590 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: This case about this woman that drove all the way 591 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: home with a guide lodged in her Yeah, wasn't that 592 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: from like two thousand and one. I think they've been 593 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: based like a movie on this thing. They've done multiple 594 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: crom story, you know, true crom episodes about it. 595 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: You know, we told you guys, like with Nancy Grace 596 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: doing her show, where there will be similar transaction stories 597 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 2: meaning stories we've also covered in the past that are 598 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 2: similar by the person. 599 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: Is that an industry term? 600 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 3: No, it's a made up term. I don't even know 601 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: how you spell it. 602 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, let me ask you about an industry 603 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 2: term as we move forward, because I really need to 604 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 2: know this. 605 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 3: Joe. 606 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: I was looking this up and I thought this is 607 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: something made up by some jerk like me, because it 608 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: actually lists and this investigation of Kirsten Strang being hit 609 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 2: by a car as fatal vehicle versus bicycle crash. Do 610 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: they list it really like that? Yes, versus bicycle? Why 611 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: is that that sounds horrible? 612 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: No? No, no, yeah it does. But that's and I'll 613 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: give you another one if you like that one they'll 614 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: say motor vehicle versus pedestrian to and it will be 615 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: written like that. 616 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, that's what I'm looking at the official 617 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 2: I'm looking at Penela's County Sheriff's office, and that's what 618 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 2: they're I thought, I've seen that. 619 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: And that's actually listed. Yeah, no, no, no, and that's 620 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: actually listed on death certificates like that too. It'll say 621 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: pedestrian versus vehicle or vehicle versus bicycle. You'll you'll have that. 622 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: And the beauty of it is it's it's very concise 623 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: and to the point. I mean, you understand immediately what 624 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: you're dealing with. You're talking about a couple of you know, 625 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: maybe a ton and a half of steel, motorized steel 626 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: that's going head to head with either or you know, 627 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: not head head to rear with a bicycle. Or maybe 628 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: you've got an individual that's crossing the road and they 629 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: get hammered. You know. The thing about it is being 630 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: impacted by a motor vehicle. It's yeah, I mean, obviously 631 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: the injuries are really over the top. You're going to 632 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: see things that you can only imagine, you worse, nightmares, 633 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: crushing type injuries. But here's the thing about it is 634 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: is that you can have someone that is involved in 635 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: a motor vehicle day motor vehicle accident and they might 636 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: be just fine, but they've got these little multiple bleeds 637 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: that are going on through their body. One of the 638 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: first things I'm thinking about is probably a closed head injury. 639 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: You'll see there are cases out there where individuals will 640 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: be struck and they're talking, Okay, they're lucid, they know 641 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: day and time, they're we're into the dayton time and 642 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: all that sort of thing, and then a few minutes 643 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: later they stand up and next thing you know, they're 644 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: down like sacked potatoes. It also happens with a order 645 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: to you know, the major vessel that runs the you know, 646 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: from your heart, you know, and splits off into your 647 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 1: femal arties. That is the biggest vessel in your body. 648 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 3: You know. 649 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: You can get a rupture in that as a result 650 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: of a rama impact and suddenly suddenly it increases in 651 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: size and you begin to leak blood inside and you'll die. 652 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: You can't begin to imagine it. And I got to 653 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: tell you there's there's something that that's resonating with me 654 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: right now is we're we're talking about MVAS and in 655 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: this case out of Saint Pete. You know, there's a 656 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: certain level of callousness that comes along with this and 657 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: that that goes to my earlier statement about you know, 658 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: feeling like you're you know, you're other than human. You 659 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: know you're you're above it, you know you have power, 660 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: you know you're in a vehicle. I'm thinking about the 661 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: case out of New Orleans that we covered. I guess 662 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: it's back in twenty I know it was twenty twenty two, 663 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: Loma Fricky. Yeah, this poor woman, seventy seventy's the. 664 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 3: Worst we've done. That is, Yeah, that is the worst year. 665 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I was, you know, and I literally this 666 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: happened in one of my old neighborhoods that living in 667 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: mid city mid city New Orleans. I actually lived there 668 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: when I first moved back to New Orleans as an 669 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: adult and was living there and working and going to 670 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: school and whatnot. And this poor woman had come in 671 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: from an area called Wagonman, which is on the other 672 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: side of the river. She did not live in the area, 673 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: came in there, and she gets carjacked by four four 674 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: teenagers and she is hung in the car dave by 675 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: her safety belt. If I'm not mistaken, it was, And 676 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: they carjack her car and proceed to drive and talk 677 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: about callousness just let this sink in just for a second. 678 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: They planned this, They were looking for a mark at 679 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: this point in time, they drive away. They they're dragging 680 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: her down the road. They use so much force with 681 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: Miss Frickey's remains, or that car exerted so much force 682 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: over her remains it ripped her arm off and she 683 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: bled to death in the middle of the road. It's 684 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know that there were drugs 685 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: involved in that. I think that you've got individual I mean, 686 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: there could have been, but you know, and I don't 687 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: know that we will ever know. But the horror that 688 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: you encounter with motor vehicles and the things that you 689 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: see out on the street compare, I would say arguably 690 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: to any type of homicide that maybe you have born witness. 691 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: To the extent of carnage and damage is unbelievable. The 692 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: number of people that can be harmed. You know, I've 693 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: stood over the bodies of entire families that are dead 694 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: in a single motor vehicle accident, not a single they 695 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: were struck by another vehicle, and everyone, including an entire 696 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: family of five, were killed in a vehicle. And you 697 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: sit there and are rolling coffin. Many times you never 698 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: know what's rolling on the streets out there. You never 699 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: know who's out there. And the one thing that you 700 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: certainly don't know if something ever happened to you with 701 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: the person that bore witness to it, or maybe the 702 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: person that caused the accident, do they have a heart 703 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: or do they treat you just like you're an animal 704 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: that's flown through their windshield. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 705 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: this is Bodybacks.