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Speaker 1: I never told you a protection of iHeart Radio and today.

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Speaker 1: it is good Friday, Passover has just happened, it's about

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Speaker 1: it is interesting history. I thought, because of all of

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Speaker 1: our discussion we're having around religion right now, would be

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Speaker 1: a good one to bring back during this time. If

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Speaker 1: you celebrate any of these things, we hope you're you

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Speaker 1: have a good a good celebration, and please enjoy this

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Speaker 1: classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome

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Speaker 1: to stuff I've never told you production of iHeartRadio. So

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Speaker 1: for today's questions, Amantha, I'm just curious, do you have

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Speaker 1: The only thing I really know about the Catholic Church

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Speaker 1: Da Vinci Code and or any real horror movies about

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Speaker 1: possession yea, yea. And of course I know about all

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