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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, Jason McIntyre is going to join me,
Speaker 2: Yes that Jason McIntyre. J Mack from The Herd is
Speaker 2: going to join me in about five minutes as we
Speaker 2: get ready. A lot of subjects, some gambling stuff which
Speaker 2: he's always been into, the New York Times disbanding their
Speaker 2: sports section which nobody actually read. All that stuff will
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Speaker 2: upcoming docus series Quarterback, which I can't wait to watch. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I asked Jimmy Johnson years ago about leadership
Speaker 2: and what is leadership and he didn't have an answer
Speaker 2: for it, but he said Troy Aikman was a leader,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't pinpoint what it was. And you know,
Speaker 2: one of the first times I was really impressed with
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott and I wasn't blown away with him. I
Speaker 2: watched him play at Mississippi State. I thought he was
Speaker 2: a better thrower than t Bow. But I'm like this guy,
Speaker 2: you know, there was a reason he got picked in
Speaker 2: the fourth round. Dan Mullen once told me, the former
Speaker 2: Mississippi State coach, they never thought he was, you know,
Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback. But one of the things that impressed
Speaker 2: me very early on with him is Dak Prescott's in
Speaker 2: tangibles and Dez Bryant, who basically the Cowboys had to
Speaker 2: babysit out of college. They had to have a security team,
Speaker 2: which I'm not sure if Dez has ever acknowledged that
Speaker 2: or admitted, you know, that's just a lot for a
Speaker 2: team to have to worry about that after college. You're
Speaker 2: not prepared to like stay out of trouble. It was
Speaker 2: hard for the Cowboys security detail around the clock, and
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott had to deal with that right out of
Speaker 2: the gate, goes thirteen and three as a rookie and
Speaker 2: had that poppy hovering over him, and it was That's
Speaker 2: the kind of thing that explains Dak Prescott's mental toughness.
Speaker 2: He's dealt with injuries, He's dealt with criticism, he dealt
Speaker 2: with the COVID season, He's dealt with some controversy, and
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott has always been his very strongest in those moments.
Speaker 2: He's not an elite arm talent.
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 2: He's athletic, but not super mobile. His arm's fine, it's
Speaker 2: not special. He's accurate enough, but not elite. He's a
Speaker 2: BB plus quarterback. But he dealt with des Bryant and
Speaker 2: the neediness and the high maintenance and it didn't get
Speaker 2: in the way of wins before the Cowboys finally just
Speaker 2: said enough is enough, as they should have. It's going
Speaker 2: to be interesting to watch Josh Allen with Stefan Diggs. No,
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs, in my opinion, is a better player than
Speaker 2: des Bryant and is not nearly that difficult. But with
Speaker 2: both Kirk Cousins and with Josh Allen after couple years,
Speaker 2: you see the theatrics and you hear the concerns, and
Speaker 2: Buffalo is clearly if you watch the draft or receiver
Speaker 2: a tight end free agency, they went out and got
Speaker 2: another running back. They're trying to be less reliant on
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs. This is where leadership will come in with
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. Now, Josh is a better athlete than Dak Prescott,
Speaker 2: bigger arm, more mobile, better athlete up and down the
Speaker 2: board aaaa plus AA. But leadership is Dak's strength. And
Speaker 2: when you can be a great player and a great
Speaker 2: talent and a great leader Mahomes or Burrow, that's when
Speaker 2: you separate. To this point, we know Josh Allen is
Speaker 2: a great athlete. This will be the leadership here dealing
Speaker 2: with Stefan Diggs in this drama. And at some point
Speaker 2: Tom Brady went to Bill Belichick when they got rid
Speaker 2: of Randy Moss. Tom Brady was not shocked by it. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Brady had discussions with Josh McDaniels Bill Belichick. Right, those
Speaker 2: don't go public. But they didn't just walk in and
Speaker 2: say Randy's gone. It's not the way it works. Tom
Speaker 2: was too powerful. Even though he and Belichick weren't close,
Speaker 2: you know they would come to him. Sometimes you have
Speaker 2: to take a step back in talent. The best Patriot
Speaker 2: teams were not the ones with Moss. It was the
Speaker 2: teams where you had reliable wide receiver, tight end targets, reliable,
Speaker 2: choreographed you knew where they would be talents. So the NFL,
Speaker 2: the margins are too tight for drama. The noisiest team
Speaker 2: every off season is one of the more disappointing teams
Speaker 2: every off season. So I'm really interested to watch Josh
Speaker 2: Allen this year. First time, real drama, A real talented
Speaker 2: but at times difficult teammate that is crucial to the offense.
Speaker 2: I've seen Dak deal with stuff like this. Plus best
Speaker 2: part about Dak are these moments Josh is the better talent.
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Speaker 2: So I remember I lived in Connecticut nine years ago,
Speaker 2: and I remember exactly where I was. I was in
Speaker 2: my driveway. I was on my cell phone and you
Speaker 2: and I would talk about once a month about business
Speaker 2: and stuff. And I said to you, I said, just
Speaker 2: be patient, we'll work together. I said, I respect you.
Speaker 2: You like the right stuff. You're not overly dramatic, you
Speaker 2: have a sense of humor. I'm like, you probably don't
Speaker 2: remember this call, but I do. I remember we had
Speaker 2: a gravel driveway, and so it was probably ten years
Speaker 2: because it took us a year to fix said and
Speaker 2: all the gravel would get stuck in our tires. So
Speaker 2: we made it, you know, Cement. And I said to you,
Speaker 2: I said, you're gonna this thing's gonna work. Like all
Speaker 2: these bloggers, moster full of shit. They don't break any stories.
Speaker 2: And I had gone to my ESPN bosses and I said,
Speaker 2: whoever runs the big lead, he's actually breaking stories. He's
Speaker 2: not just aggregating stuff like he breaks stories. Do you
Speaker 2: remember me telling you, and this is probably ten or
Speaker 2: eleven years ago, that we were going to work together.
Speaker 2: I can, I say, I vaguely recall that, Colin. I
Speaker 2: know we would have conversations from time to time about
Speaker 2: the industry, the business, which way it was headed. Could
Speaker 2: you could already see kind of the tea leaves were shifting.
Speaker 2: Things were moving kind of quickly but also slowly, the
Speaker 2: same way cable's erosion is happening.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: You could kind of see how blogs, which had kind
Speaker 4: of disrupted newspapers and sports, all of a sudden, blogs
Speaker 4: start to get phased out as social media pops up.
Speaker 4: And I could kind of see like, Okay, we're making
Speaker 4: money on the big lead. Things are going well, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I need to start thinking about what's next for me,
Speaker 4: what's next in my career. And when you mentioned TV,
Speaker 4: I was like, well, geez, I didn't go to college
Speaker 4: for that. You know, Am I going to be prepared?
Speaker 4: And I think you. I recall you telling me, hey man,
Speaker 4: you've got nothing to worry about. Just be yourself. And
Speaker 4: that's kind of been a lot of the advice you've
Speaker 4: given me. Just be yourself. You do your homework, you're
Speaker 4: well researched, be ready when your numbers called. You know,
Speaker 4: I feel like that pinch hitter in the dugout, waiting
Speaker 4: for that opportunity and then the coach says, all right,
Speaker 4: get on deck. You're up to bet. And you always
Speaker 4: got to be ready.
Speaker 2: So the New York Times disbanded their sports department. You
Speaker 2: and I talk a lot off the air. It's probably
Speaker 2: our primary discussion off the air is either rumors in
Speaker 2: sports or rumors in our industry. So when they bought
Speaker 2: The Athletic, it was, you know, they showed their hand.
Speaker 2: It wasn't going to be the New York Times Sports department.
Speaker 2: The Athletic was going to become the sports department. I
Speaker 2: think everybody in the industry sort of knew that. I
Speaker 2: always looked at The New York Times Sports as sort
Speaker 2: of people a little precious. If you cover bad minton,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to take you seriously. They didn't really
Speaker 2: like appear to like sports, so you know, for a
Speaker 2: global newspaper, maybe that works.
Speaker 3: But again, I.
Speaker 2: Think I can think Tyler Kapner did great work with baseball.
Speaker 2: I read a lot of him, But I could also
Speaker 2: think you could see this coming from one hundred miles away.
Speaker 2: They they have sports writers that like write once a month.
Speaker 2: It's a grinder's world. There's lots of people in our
Speaker 2: business who are good, they're just infrequent contributors. And as
Speaker 2: somebody that now owns a company, I need daily or
Speaker 2: bi weekly work. Were you shocked by the Times move.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 4: Like you said, there's these feature writers that was like
Speaker 4: the golden position in newspapers, right, like how you would
Speaker 4: write for Sports Illustrated. You'd like one piece, it would
Speaker 4: take you a month to write it, that would be
Speaker 4: your story. And it was like, that's a plumb job.
Speaker 4: Who wo, Who wouldn't want to work like that? But
Speaker 4: you could see The New York Times was kind of
Speaker 4: trying to zig when the industry is zagging, Like, hey,
Speaker 4: you want to read about the NBA, that's all over
Speaker 4: the internet, radio, TV. We're going to give you all
Speaker 4: the tennis you can handle. We're going to back up
Speaker 4: the brinstruck and unload on golf and like you said, badminton,
Speaker 4: and we're going to go for kind of these peculiar
Speaker 4: stories maybe about table tennis or what have you. And yeah,
Speaker 4: they would do great investigative work. But again, it's not
Speaker 4: the kind of thing Colin, where it's just sustainable where
Speaker 4: you write one story even a week like that just
Speaker 4: doesn't work. I mean, think about it. You when you
Speaker 4: do the Herd, you've got to lead every hour with heavy,
Speaker 4: strong takes to keep the sports fans coming. And you
Speaker 4: got to do that five days a week. Like this
Speaker 4: idea that writers and journalists could work once a week,
Speaker 4: once a month, that's just that's archaic. That stuff does
Speaker 4: not exist anymore. And you know, you see where this
Speaker 4: is headed, like this is the New York Times, you know,
Speaker 4: the one newspaper subscription that's worked. They just said no
Speaker 4: to their sports section. It's over. So you got to
Speaker 4: start thinking about where this goes in five years and
Speaker 4: ten years. And it's not a pretty place obviously. It's
Speaker 4: almost like liberal idealistic tunnel. John Skipper figured this out
Speaker 4: at dizone. There's plenty of quotes on the internet where
Speaker 4: John made some you know, some purchases when he was
Speaker 4: at his zone and he figured out touching all the
Speaker 4: bases is irrelevant. You got to go after the big stories.
Speaker 4: It's all anybody talks about. And John Skipper, I don't
Speaker 4: have them in front of me acknowledge that is sometimes
Speaker 4: you know, I think sometimes left leaning journalists feel like
Speaker 4: they want to touch all the bases and cover the
Speaker 4: people that don't get love.
Speaker 2: It's over. Like the athletic I go for NFL, NBA
Speaker 2: playoff takes, UFC. You know, there's very few things. In fact,
Speaker 2: I don't even go to the athletic for UFC. I
Speaker 2: go to him for NFL, college football, NBA. Sometimes, you know,
Speaker 2: I have places I go for UFC. I mean, I
Speaker 2: basically have four sports. I love NFL, NBA, college football,
Speaker 2: and UFC. I'll pay whatever takes to get it. And
Speaker 2: then I don't really count the United States men's national team.
Speaker 2: That's like, you know, that's sort of a that's our team.
Speaker 2: And then I like college basketball and I like baseball,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to pay big money for him.
Speaker 2: If they're there all watch. I'll discuss infrequently, but I
Speaker 2: do think there's sometimes in the journalism world there's this
Speaker 2: sense we're going to cover all the bases and it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You've got to cover. You were at the
Speaker 2: big lead. You didn't I remember this. You didn't waste
Speaker 2: a lot of time trying to appease everybody. Take me
Speaker 2: to your thought process on creating a blog that you
Speaker 2: sold for seven figures.
Speaker 4: Well, when you try to please everybody, you please nobody,
Speaker 4: because nobody's going to be happy with your work. I'll
Speaker 4: never forget Colin. I would wake up before school every
Speaker 4: morning in around six o'clock on the East Coast. My
Speaker 4: dad would be leaving for work. He'd pick up the
Speaker 4: Washington Post from the driveway and I'd say, Dad, you know,
Speaker 4: peel me out the sports section. And I would look
Speaker 4: at the sports section and read about what happened in
Speaker 4: sports the night before, Like that's how we used to
Speaker 4: get news. Okay, Now you wake up, your alarm to
Speaker 4: wake up is probably on your phone, and instantly you've
Speaker 4: got to run down of what happened that matters. And
Speaker 4: I know there's NHL purists who believe, like, oh man,
Speaker 4: the NHL draft was crazy. I'm sure it was, but
Speaker 4: the number of people who care about that does not
Speaker 4: matter to me. Running a website, people want to know
Speaker 4: what's going on in the NBA, NFL, college football, and
Speaker 4: then they want the other stuff like Britney Spears versus
Speaker 4: Victor Webin Yama wackiness like that. They love those wacky
Speaker 4: stories that anyone can relate to.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 4: I played tennis myself a betterering a tournament later this month.
Speaker 4: I can't tell you the last story I read about tennis. Okay,
Speaker 4: I don't play a lot of golf. I know a
Speaker 4: lot of friends who play golf. They don't read golf
Speaker 4: like there is not really a lot of compelling stories
Speaker 4: in those granular sports. You've really got it. As you
Speaker 4: told me once when I got a radio show on
Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio, play the hits. That was like your
Speaker 4: number one thing. Play the hits. You could lead with
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers one day, Cowboys the next day. Play the
Speaker 4: big stories. People care about that deeply. As much as
Speaker 4: I want to bag on the Houston Texans, you know
Speaker 4: I can't open a show with that here. You know,
Speaker 4: on my podcast, I wasn't blogging much about the inferior
Speaker 4: teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3: You got to give the people what they want.
Speaker 2: You've also always had an eye and I've always loved it,
Speaker 2: but you've had an eye for gambling. You're very good
Speaker 2: at it. And you know, again, I try not to
Speaker 2: be precious the there's a you know, a sense that
Speaker 2: you know gambling. Be very careful about gambling. People can
Speaker 2: get hooked. The average bet when I worked with FanDuel,
Speaker 2: the average bet was four dollars. Ninety nine percent of
Speaker 2: the people are not betting what they can't handle. Are
Speaker 2: there people that can't handle that responsibility? Yes, thirty million
Speaker 2: Americans are obese. There are people that can't handle bagels.
Speaker 2: There are people that can't handle alcohol. The disturbance rate
Speaker 2: or distortion rate for gambling is one percent. It's six
Speaker 2: percent for alcohol. Lots of people can struggle with alcohol consumption,
Speaker 2: not that many people, you know, the stories are anecdotal.
Speaker 2: There are people that get lost in it, overwhelmingly people
Speaker 2: at four or five bucks. That's what they gamble. So
Speaker 2: you've always been pretty heady on this stuff. And I
Speaker 2: want to go to your over unders in the NFL
Speaker 2: because you and I are aligned on almost everything. The
Speaker 2: one thing or not you hate the Rams now I
Speaker 2: worry about because I have friends that work with them,
Speaker 2: about being a Homer. But I've got friends all over
Speaker 2: the Chargers, and I'm always reluctant to embrace the Chargers.
Speaker 2: But I do think it's a head coach quarterback league,
Speaker 2: and I think there's four positions you got to get right,
Speaker 2: head coach, quarterback, somebody in your front five, defensively, and
Speaker 2: a big time weapon, and I think the Rams have
Speaker 2: all of that. I also think they're incredibly young on defense,
Speaker 2: but that's about Kansas City last year was young on defense.
Speaker 2: If you have an elite defender up front, you can
Speaker 2: be really young in your back seven because it's we
Speaker 2: talked about this with Webbin Yama. Offense is refinement, defense
Speaker 2: is blowing shit up. Defense is about fast speed. Can
Speaker 2: you disturb the offense? Young defenses? The Jets have all
Speaker 2: sorts of young players. They're fast, they get if they
Speaker 2: get injured, they get healthier faster. So I think the
Speaker 2: Rams tend to be better than people think. What is
Speaker 2: your and again, coach, quarterback, weapon, defensive linemen like you
Speaker 2: get those four right? You can have flaws everywhere. What
Speaker 2: is your primary concern with the Rams? Well, they're clearly
Speaker 2: top heavy.
Speaker 4: But I do want to let me preface this by saying,
Speaker 4: I'm a big Rams fan now that I move to
Speaker 4: LA Like, Yeah, I like them, I root for them.
Speaker 4: I go to some RAMS games. I know people who
Speaker 4: are friends with Stafford in vacation with him.
Speaker 3: I listen.
Speaker 4: I like the Rams. I've rooted for Stafford. I like
Speaker 4: Cooper cup Colin. This team is Honestly, the Rams are
Speaker 4: closer to being in the Caleb Williams Sweepstakes than the playoffs.
Speaker 4: That's the reality. I had someone Remember how I've been
Speaker 4: saying in the show give me their defensive depth chart.
Speaker 4: I don't know anybody other than Aaron Donald.
Speaker 3: They have.
Speaker 4: They drafted I believe fourteen rookies and they signed twenty
Speaker 4: four undrafted players thirty eight. I don't know how many
Speaker 4: you are going to make the roster. But Colin, you
Speaker 4: look at that to depth chart, too deep chart on
Speaker 4: the defense, and it is one of the worst in
Speaker 4: the league. They are super top heavy with Stafford, who,
Speaker 4: by the way, had a major elbow thing. And I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, like I said on your show, that there's
Speaker 4: a world where Aaron Donald maybe gets traded. Like if
Speaker 4: I'm McVeigh and I was close to retirement, what would
Speaker 4: you want to do? Keep going with this old crew,
Speaker 4: or all of a sudden you start out, you know,
Speaker 4: two and five, one and four, It's like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: I don't know what we have here. And when I'm
Speaker 4: looking at over unders, I bet the schedule. I think
Speaker 4: that under on the RAMS is one of the best
Speaker 4: bets on the board currently. I see it at six
Speaker 4: and a half. Colin, I know you like the Rams.
Speaker 4: You know less sneed all these guys like you are
Speaker 4: way off market. Now, listen, that's not the worst thing
Speaker 4: in the world last year at this time, nobody had
Speaker 4: the Eagles winning the Super Bowl or going to the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. You know, so you know, maybe the Rams
Speaker 4: exceed expectations. But at six and a half, it just
Speaker 4: sells me. Man, that schedule, the age on this team,
Speaker 4: you know, they could be in a lot of shootouts
Speaker 4: and being on the wrong end of a lot of them.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're most interesting over You have the Ravens over
Speaker 2: nine and a half. My concern is of their top
Speaker 2: nine players, eight have an injury history. Of the Steelers
Speaker 2: top nine players, none do.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt was banged up last year. But when TJ Watt's healthy,
Speaker 2: the Steelers win seventy five percent of their games. But
Speaker 2: you have them as an over Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Deshaun
Speaker 2: Watson should be better. There'll be an argument by Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: It may be one of the best divisions, if not
Speaker 2: the best division in football. So where do you get
Speaker 2: ten plus wins for the Ravens. So I look at
Speaker 2: this usually you know macro sense, it's NFC overs AFC unders.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much how I would lean because the AFC
Speaker 2: is so incredibly stacked.
Speaker 4: Why I look at the Ravens Colin. You know, I
Speaker 4: know we've made fun of not Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson. Right,
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson last few years has been hurt. But what's
Speaker 4: funny is with him healthy, despite how bad the supporting
Speaker 4: cast has been, They've been a first place team in November,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, Lamar Jackson goes down and
Speaker 4: the kind of the bottom falls out. Injuries to the
Speaker 4: offensive line, injuries to the defense, defense getting old. I
Speaker 4: like the reinvigoration at offensive coordinator. Munket comes from Georgia,
Speaker 4: and some people have broke down on YouTube some stuff
Speaker 4: that he used to do spread offense even with Stetson Bennett. Okay,
Speaker 4: I know they had a defense that carried him to
Speaker 4: two Natties, but Stetson Bennets do some interesting things in
Speaker 4: the pocket, a lot of pre snap movement that the
Speaker 4: you know, the analytics of guys loves. And there's a
Speaker 4: world where Lamar Jackson is in play if he's healthy
Speaker 4: for an MVP award. He's got the best supporting cast
Speaker 4: and skill position he's ever had. And you know, I
Speaker 4: think this was in a movie or something, but you know,
Speaker 4: always bet On Harball, because both Harbball b others have
Speaker 4: done a lot of winning and John Harball is just
Speaker 4: a winning coach man. This guy knows what to do.
Speaker 4: So I would lean over on the Ravens nine and
Speaker 4: a half.
Speaker 2: So one other bet you have that's interesting, You have
Speaker 2: the Texans under six and a half. And so I
Speaker 2: have a friend who kind of deals in the world
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks college and pro and he's not judgmental. He
Speaker 2: travels around, he sees a lot of them, and he
Speaker 2: was recently at an event where CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud was at.
Speaker 2: The event Texans rookie quarterback, and his takeaway was, I
Speaker 2: don't get it, like I didn't see the juice. He's quiet,
Speaker 2: he doesn't jump out as a leader. He throws a
Speaker 2: nice catchable ball. Ohio State has never had a great
Speaker 2: NFL quarterback, And my argument's always been j macause it's
Speaker 2: always been is that in the SEC, there's six or
Speaker 2: seven teams with NFL bodies everywhere, but in the Big
Speaker 2: Ten outside of Michigan, every team Ohio State plays is
Speaker 2: significantly less talented. And you're just it's an easy college
Speaker 2: life for quarterbacks. As good as a Georgia quarterback is
Speaker 2: or an LSU quarterback is they're facing NFL defensive bodies
Speaker 2: every Saturday, big stadiums, loud, lubricated. It doesn't matter how
Speaker 2: good your offensive line is. Two is getting banged up.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts at Alabama, you're going to get hit in
Speaker 2: the SEC. And Ohio State's offensive lines five star. Ohio
Speaker 2: States receivers five star. It's an easy life and it's
Speaker 2: not a great place to prep for the NFL. And
Speaker 2: so when my friend told me this, he said, I
Speaker 2: just and he's very broad and he knows this stuff.
Speaker 2: He's like, I just don't see it. What is your
Speaker 2: best guess? On CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud?
Speaker 2: We both admit Bryce his size is a concern. He's
Speaker 2: probably the number one guy. There's a lot of back
Speaker 2: and forth on justin Fields. There's a lot of back
Speaker 2: and forth on CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud.
Speaker 2: Generally there'll be a quarterback that we all sort of go, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the best guy. Caleb Williams next year, he's the
Speaker 2: best guy. Luck Trevor Lawrence, right, Like, there's a guy Burrow.
Speaker 2: You thought he was better than I did, but he's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. CJ. Stroud's in that justin Fields category,
Speaker 2: the Sam Darnold category, Like people are taking sides. What
Speaker 2: side are you on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm on the side of the Texans are probably
Speaker 4: a four win team.
Speaker 3: Colin.
Speaker 4: They were an abject disaster last year. And now you
Speaker 4: have a rookie quarterback, as you said, from Ohio State,
Speaker 4: which hasn't produced any great ones. By the way, two
Speaker 4: years ago, Stroud, you probably had a better receiver cast
Speaker 4: at Ohio State then he will this year. Remember Olave
Speaker 4: Wilson Harrison like, he doesn't have those guys in the NFL. Now,
Speaker 4: rookie head coach who is a defensive head coach, and
Speaker 4: you go on rants probably weekly about how defensive head
Speaker 4: coaches that's not your jam in the NFL. First time
Speaker 4: play caller, I believe that is so much newness. And
Speaker 4: this is the second straight year in free agency where
Speaker 4: they just go and they just get guys. There's no like, ooh,
Speaker 4: that's a great buy, that's a great bargain, what value.
Speaker 4: You don't hear any of that with the Texans free
Speaker 4: agent moves the GM in trouble. This franchise is just
Speaker 4: I don't see it. This is definitely an under six
Speaker 4: and a half for me. I have to feel they're
Speaker 4: in the basement in the division. It's not that hot
Speaker 4: of a take, but I think the Indianapolis Colts with
Speaker 4: Shane Steichen offensive guy, will finish ahead of the Texans.
Speaker 3: You had this beef with KD.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because I don't get pro athletes reaching
Speaker 2: out to me, dming me, But when I go to
Speaker 2: an event like UFC, they all come up to me
Speaker 2: right all like a hey, Max Krass being the Raiders
Speaker 2: and Jamal Murray and you know, all the guy all
Speaker 2: the pro will come over and they're like, I can't
Speaker 2: believe it, and they're great. I stayed at a hotel
Speaker 2: in Vegas. Four NBA teams there. Players are great. I
Speaker 2: don't get dms from anybody. I mean literally, women athletes,
Speaker 2: nobody you do. What do you think it was that
Speaker 2: set off KD and why he came after you? So
Speaker 2: this wasn't the first time we had really engaged.
Speaker 4: So I realize back in like twenty sixteen, I was
Speaker 4: kind of on an island defending Kevin Durant's move to
Speaker 4: the Warriors. Everybody else is killing him. Alhwa's a frontrunner,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. So I would tag him on Instagram
Speaker 4: on the stories and say great move, Kevin Durant. Here's
Speaker 4: my take on it from whatever TV show and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah, and Kevin Durant because he is not encumbered
Speaker 4: by a wife or children, and I don't even think
Speaker 4: he has a pet. He's got his phone in his
Speaker 4: pocket at all times, responding Burner accounts, he will reply
Speaker 4: and we we've had this ongoing discussion for like seven years.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got it documented in the DMS, and
Speaker 4: you know he'll reply, and we had firm disagreement. I
Speaker 4: was not afraid to tell him that I thought leaving
Speaker 4: the Warriors was the craziest thing he ever did. And
Speaker 4: you know, he doesn't love when you say that, but
Speaker 4: you know, listen, he's one of the few pro athletes
Speaker 4: that's going to engage a lot of them are kind
Speaker 4: of above the fray and don't care.
Speaker 3: I almost think, and I don't know if you'd agree.
Speaker 4: Durant is so pot committed to being online argumentative guy
Speaker 4: that that's like kind of one of his brand layers.
Speaker 4: And so if he doesn't do that, it's like off
Speaker 4: It's not really it's off brand firm. So he now
Speaker 4: has to lean into that and fire back whether it's
Speaker 4: Jason McIntyre, Colin Cowherd, Michael Rapaport, Joe Bob. He's going
Speaker 4: back at everybody because he also has the time and
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of money. He's done great with
Speaker 4: business since he moved out to the Bay Area for
Speaker 4: the Warriors, great business in New York with his agent Listen.
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant's dominating.
Speaker 4: I still don't believe in get in arguments with people
Speaker 4: on the internet is just a no win situation. I've
Speaker 4: been blocked by several guys. Odell Beckham back in the day,
Speaker 4: hated hated. When I was saying the Giants are trade,
Speaker 4: Odell I did it on the radio show. Tagged him,
Speaker 4: instant block. Baker Mayfield man. I would not draft Baker
Speaker 4: Mayfield number one, would not draft him, would not drafted,
Speaker 4: tag him instant block. Like some guys would just block
Speaker 4: and tune it out. Other guys will engage. I don't
Speaker 4: want it to be my thing. I don't want to
Speaker 4: argue with athletes, but from time to time you get
Speaker 4: into dustop.
Speaker 2: You and I like the same sports, you know the
Speaker 2: other thing. Obviously, I've been in the media for thirty years.
Speaker 2: I'm never outraged like never, and since I've known you,
Speaker 2: you're not. That doesn't mean it didn't bother me. When
Speaker 2: the young son went with his dad on the submarine,
Speaker 2: that was really sad to me. It just made me
Speaker 2: sick to my stomach because all I could think about was,
Speaker 2: you know, the kid was about my son's age, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, that egomaniac billionaire convinces his son
Speaker 2: to go on it, Like that's the last time I
Speaker 2: was really just in a bad mood for twenty four
Speaker 2: or forty eight hours. It really bothered me. But are
Speaker 2: you ever surprised by how thin skinned and regularly outraged
Speaker 2: the media is when they dish out so much criticism
Speaker 2: and so much smart I mean, it's really watching the
Speaker 2: media be outraged by like normal conversations everybody has is
Speaker 2: lacking so much in self awareness. All we do is criticize,
Speaker 2: and yet so many people in our industry are so
Speaker 2: easily offended.
Speaker 3: I just I'm taken back by it regularly. Well, it's weird.
Speaker 4: When I was growing up, I remember the nightly news
Speaker 4: was Dan rather on one network, I think Tom Brokaw,
Speaker 4: Peter Jennings. They set the agenda every night, and you
Speaker 4: know my parents would watch it. I would get roped
Speaker 4: into watching it. And if you happen to miss it, Colin,
Speaker 4: you know what, you picked up the newspaper and read
Speaker 4: it the next day. Now, I was a young kid,
Speaker 4: I don't remember it being so divisive red and blue
Speaker 4: at the time. I feel like a lot of that
Speaker 4: has to do with social media. A certain president in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen who was very divisive. Opinion is don't really
Speaker 4: like you aren't at the ability. I don't think you
Speaker 4: have the ability to piss me off with any take
Speaker 4: you have, because I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of level headed.
Speaker 4: I know Colin might be wrong, he might be right,
Speaker 4: but you know, we're all in this business we're gonna
Speaker 4: with There's a lot of people who don't take chances,
Speaker 4: Colin because they're afraid. You know, they want to be
Speaker 4: very milk toast, right down the middle. You and I
Speaker 4: know who they are. They don't want to take any
Speaker 4: chances to go after people. I'm not afraid to go
Speaker 4: after people. I might be right, I might be wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm all in on one Veniama, I've got all my
Speaker 4: poker chips in the middle. I think he's going to
Speaker 4: be a superstar. You got a lot of people heming, well,
Speaker 4: what about the injury, Oh, you know seven five the feet.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I can't. I said, you're worried about maybe
Speaker 4: he's going to get hurt. This dude's going to be
Speaker 4: a badass. He's going to dominate the league. I'm just
Speaker 4: telling you, like three years, by the way, Luka Doncic
Speaker 4: year three was like a top seven player in the league.
Speaker 4: Wembin Yama is not going to be so like I
Speaker 4: can't get outraged, but I'm by others. I don't want
Speaker 4: to be the guy who pushes you to outreach. But Colin,
Speaker 4: you do know this in twenty twenty three, you want
Speaker 4: people loving you or hating you. You don't want them
Speaker 4: in different.
Speaker 2: As an East Coast guy that has moved west, it's
Speaker 2: a very distracted town. LA. The beach, the mountains, Mediterranean weather,
Speaker 2: There's so much to do, access to Vegas forty minute flight.
Speaker 2: What is your takeaway on the sort of cliche that
Speaker 2: La doesn't care about sports? Explain to an audience member
Speaker 2: in the Midwest listening in Chicago, or a New Yorker
Speaker 2: or Philadelphia fan listening to this about your takeaway as
Speaker 2: an East Coast guy, and the passion for sports out west.
Speaker 2: Good better surprise you disappoint you interesting.
Speaker 4: That's a great, great question, and you I think brought
Speaker 4: up on the Herd on Monday or Tuesday one of
Speaker 4: those days that the Atlanta Braves in the South right
Speaker 4: now are everything. It's like college football is massive. The
Speaker 4: Atlanta Braids are blown up everywhere, and I think they're
Speaker 4: like one of the only pro games in town. You know,
Speaker 4: a couple of NFL teams down there in the South,
Speaker 4: but it's like there's just not a lot of options.
Speaker 4: And as you said, out here in LA it's like
Speaker 4: I drive down my neighbor street and I don't live
Speaker 4: in a ball or neighborhood, but Chip Kelly lives two
Speaker 4: streets over from me, and like, literally there's USC House.
Speaker 4: You see LA House, UCLN Like it's big. That's the
Speaker 4: one thing. The college flags, I'm sure you've seen them.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of Oregon Duck stuff out here. The
Speaker 4: college football is passionate, but you don't see as much
Speaker 4: with the NFL. But then again, the Rams just got
Speaker 4: here after being here in the eighties with Jim Everett
Speaker 4: and Henry Ellard. The Chargers just got here five minutes
Speaker 4: ago after being in San Diego. The Lakers obviously are
Speaker 4: the show, and the Clippers are trying to crowbar In
Speaker 4: with money bags Bomber. But yeah, I would say, like
Speaker 4: right now, from my perspective in the little South Bay
Speaker 4: area I live in, right now, college sports is a
Speaker 4: massive deal. That being said, Colin, I'll never forget. I
Speaker 4: was playing pickup basketball a to gym on it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, a January fourth or January seventh, whatever the
Speaker 4: day was, and I was like, guys, I gotta leave early.
Speaker 4: I got to go watch a national championship. And they're like,
Speaker 4: the game's only starting now. You can leave in an
Speaker 4: hour and be home at halftime. I was like, what
Speaker 4: are you talking about? I got to what's a whole game?
Speaker 4: They're like really, they were surprised, And these are like
Speaker 4: this like a college football area. They were like surprised
Speaker 4: that I was going home to watch the Natty. They're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'll pick up the game at halftime. And a lot
Speaker 4: of that is people just want to live life out
Speaker 4: here and enjoy it. I mean, Colin, you and I
Speaker 4: know you go to the beach on like a Tuesday
Speaker 4: at like ten thirty and it's not empty.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: It's not packed wall to wall, but there's people running around,
Speaker 4: like not just young people who are unemployed, but like
Speaker 4: I'm talking to thirty year old forty year olds. A
Speaker 4: lot of people own their companies and they were able to,
Speaker 4: you know, go out and get fresh air at ten
Speaker 4: am on a Tuesday. Unable to do that now because
Speaker 4: I'm on the herd and we're live on TV. But
Speaker 4: I will just say a lot of business owners out
Speaker 4: here and guys who want to be the master of
Speaker 4: their domain and master their universe. And you know, if
Speaker 4: that means eleven am breakfast and by the beach, so
Speaker 4: be it. And I'll be honest, that's not a bad
Speaker 4: life to have. Well, you can just go outside and
Speaker 4: you're walking on the strand or wherever you are venice
Speaker 4: boardwalk in the middle of the day because you know what,
Speaker 4: it's your business and it's your time and time is
Speaker 4: the most valuable resource we have.
Speaker 3: Colling the most valuable resource we have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the West Coast has always been more entrepreneurial.
Speaker 2: There's less tradition, there's more small businesses and a lot
Speaker 2: of the businesses out west tech you can work remotely.
Speaker 2: Hollywood and entertainment starts later in the day, so you know,
Speaker 2: it's a good life. Man, there's it's great to have
Speaker 2: you on the herd. It's great to have you in
Speaker 2: the volume. Jason mackin tire co Hoo, Straight fire with
Speaker 2: Jason McIntyre. All right, get outside, have some fun tonight, Bud,
Speaker 2: Thanks buddy.
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