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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, Jason McIntyre is going to join me,

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Speaker 2: Yes that Jason McIntyre. J Mack from The Herd is

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Speaker 2: going to join me in about five minutes as we

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Speaker 2: get ready. A lot of subjects, some gambling stuff which

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Speaker 2: he's always been into, the New York Times disbanding their

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Speaker 2: sports section which nobody actually read. All that stuff will

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Speaker 2: be coming up first though, presented by Netflix and their

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Speaker 2: upcoming docus series Quarterback, which I can't wait to watch. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, I asked Jimmy Johnson years ago about leadership

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Speaker 2: and what is leadership and he didn't have an answer

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Speaker 2: for it, but he said Troy Aikman was a leader,

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Speaker 2: but he couldn't pinpoint what it was. And you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the first times I was really impressed with

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott and I wasn't blown away with him. I

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Speaker 2: watched him play at Mississippi State. I thought he was

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Speaker 2: a better thrower than t Bow. But I'm like this guy,

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Speaker 2: you know, there was a reason he got picked in

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Speaker 2: the fourth round. Dan Mullen once told me, the former

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Speaker 2: Mississippi State coach, they never thought he was, you know,

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Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback. But one of the things that impressed

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Speaker 2: me very early on with him is Dak Prescott's in

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Speaker 2: tangibles and Dez Bryant, who basically the Cowboys had to

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Speaker 2: babysit out of college. They had to have a security team,

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Speaker 2: which I'm not sure if Dez has ever acknowledged that

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Speaker 2: or admitted, you know, that's just a lot for a

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Speaker 2: team to have to worry about that after college. You're

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Speaker 2: not prepared to like stay out of trouble. It was

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Speaker 2: hard for the Cowboys security detail around the clock, and

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott had to deal with that right out of

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Speaker 2: the gate, goes thirteen and three as a rookie and

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Speaker 2: had that poppy hovering over him, and it was That's

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing that explains Dak Prescott's mental toughness.

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Speaker 2: He's dealt with injuries, He's dealt with criticism, he dealt

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Speaker 2: with the COVID season, He's dealt with some controversy, and

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott has always been his very strongest in those moments.

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Speaker 2: He's not an elite arm talent.

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Speaker 3: He's not.

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Speaker 2: He's athletic, but not super mobile. His arm's fine, it's

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Speaker 2: not special. He's accurate enough, but not elite. He's a

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Speaker 2: BB plus quarterback. But he dealt with des Bryant and

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Speaker 2: the neediness and the high maintenance and it didn't get

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Speaker 2: in the way of wins before the Cowboys finally just

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Speaker 2: said enough is enough, as they should have. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be interesting to watch Josh Allen with Stefan Diggs. No,

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs, in my opinion, is a better player than

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Speaker 2: des Bryant and is not nearly that difficult. But with

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Speaker 2: both Kirk Cousins and with Josh Allen after couple years,

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Speaker 2: you see the theatrics and you hear the concerns, and

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Speaker 2: Buffalo is clearly if you watch the draft or receiver

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Speaker 2: a tight end free agency, they went out and got

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Speaker 2: another running back. They're trying to be less reliant on

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs. This is where leadership will come in with

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen. Now, Josh is a better athlete than Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 2: bigger arm, more mobile, better athlete up and down the

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Speaker 2: board aaaa plus AA. But leadership is Dak's strength. And

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Speaker 2: when you can be a great player and a great

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Speaker 2: talent and a great leader Mahomes or Burrow, that's when

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Speaker 2: you separate. To this point, we know Josh Allen is

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Speaker 2: a great athlete. This will be the leadership here dealing

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Speaker 2: with Stefan Diggs in this drama. And at some point

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady went to Bill Belichick when they got rid

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Speaker 2: of Randy Moss. Tom Brady was not shocked by it. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Brady had discussions with Josh McDaniels Bill Belichick. Right, those

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Speaker 2: don't go public. But they didn't just walk in and

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Speaker 2: say Randy's gone. It's not the way it works. Tom

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Speaker 2: was too powerful. Even though he and Belichick weren't close,

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Speaker 2: you know they would come to him. Sometimes you have

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Speaker 2: to take a step back in talent. The best Patriot

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Speaker 2: teams were not the ones with Moss. It was the

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Speaker 2: teams where you had reliable wide receiver, tight end targets, reliable,

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Speaker 2: choreographed you knew where they would be talents. So the NFL,

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Speaker 2: the margins are too tight for drama. The noisiest team

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Speaker 2: every off season is one of the more disappointing teams

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Speaker 2: every off season. So I'm really interested to watch Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen this year. First time, real drama, A real talented

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Speaker 2: but at times difficult teammate that is crucial to the offense.

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Speaker 2: I've seen Dak deal with stuff like this. Plus best

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Speaker 2: part about Dak are these moments Josh is the better talent.

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Speaker 3: How will he react to it?

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Speaker 3: Quarterback is more about the mental stytect.

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Speaker 1: From game day to home life. See these quarterbacks like

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Speaker 2: So I remember I lived in Connecticut nine years ago,

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Speaker 2: and I remember exactly where I was. I was in

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Speaker 2: my driveway. I was on my cell phone and you

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Speaker 2: and I would talk about once a month about business

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Speaker 2: and stuff. And I said to you, I said, just

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Speaker 2: be patient, we'll work together. I said, I respect you.

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Speaker 2: You like the right stuff. You're not overly dramatic, you

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Speaker 2: have a sense of humor. I'm like, you probably don't

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Speaker 2: remember this call, but I do. I remember we had

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Speaker 2: we made it, you know, Cement. And I said to you,

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Speaker 2: I said, you're gonna this thing's gonna work. Like all

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Speaker 2: these bloggers, moster full of shit. They don't break any stories.

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Speaker 2: And I had gone to my ESPN bosses and I said,

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Speaker 2: not just aggregating stuff like he breaks stories. Do you

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Speaker 2: remember me telling you, and this is probably ten or

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Speaker 2: eleven years ago, that we were going to work together.

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Speaker 2: I can, I say, I vaguely recall that, Colin. I

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Speaker 2: know we would have conversations from time to time about

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Speaker 2: you could already see kind of the tea leaves were shifting.

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Speaker 2: Things were moving kind of quickly but also slowly, the

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Speaker 2: same way cable's erosion is happening.

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Speaker 4: You could kind of see how blogs, which had kind

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Speaker 4: I need to start thinking about what's next for me,

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Speaker 4: what's next in my career. And when you mentioned TV,

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Speaker 4: I was like, well, geez, I didn't go to college

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Speaker 4: And I think you. I recall you telling me, hey man,

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Speaker 4: that's kind of been a lot of the advice you've

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Speaker 4: well researched, be ready when your numbers called. You know,

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Speaker 4: I feel like that pinch hitter in the dugout, waiting

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Speaker 2: So the New York Times disbanded their sports department. You

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Speaker 2: and I talk a lot off the air. It's probably

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Speaker 2: our primary discussion off the air is either rumors in

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Speaker 2: sports or rumors in our industry. So when they bought

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Speaker 2: The Athletic, it was, you know, they showed their hand.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't going to be the New York Times Sports department.

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Speaker 2: The Athletic was going to become the sports department. I

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Speaker 2: always looked at The New York Times Sports as sort

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to take you seriously. They didn't really

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Speaker 2: like appear to like sports, so you know, for a

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Speaker 3: But again, I.

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Speaker 2: Think I can think Tyler Kapner did great work with baseball.

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Speaker 2: I read a lot of him, But I could also

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Speaker 2: think you could see this coming from one hundred miles away.

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Speaker 2: They they have sports writers that like write once a month.

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Speaker 2: It's a grinder's world. There's lots of people in our

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, there's these feature writers that was like

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Speaker 4: the golden position in newspapers, right, like how you would

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Speaker 4: take you a month to write it, that would be

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Speaker 4: you want to read about the NBA, that's all over

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Speaker 4: the internet, radio, TV. We're going to give you all

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Speaker 4: the brinstruck and unload on golf and like you said, badminton,

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Speaker 4: they would do great investigative work. But again, it's not

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Speaker 4: the kind of thing Colin, where it's just sustainable where

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Speaker 4: once a month, that's just that's archaic. That stuff does

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Speaker 4: not exist anymore. And you know, you see where this

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Speaker 4: the one newspaper subscription that's worked. They just said no

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Speaker 4: ten years. And it's not a pretty place obviously. It's

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Speaker 4: almost like liberal idealistic tunnel. John Skipper figured this out

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Speaker 2: It's over. Like the athletic I go for NFL, NBA

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Speaker 2: playoff takes, UFC. You know, there's very few things. In fact,

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Speaker 2: then I don't really count the United States men's national team.

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Speaker 2: That's like, you know, that's sort of a that's our team.

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Speaker 4: They drafted I believe fourteen rookies and they signed twenty

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Speaker 4: Why I look at the Ravens Colin. You know, I

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Speaker 2: We both admit Bryce his size is a concern. He's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm on the side of the Texans are probably

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Speaker 3: Colin.

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Speaker 4: They were an abject disaster last year. And now you

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Speaker 4: at Ohio State then he will this year. Remember Olave

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Speaker 4: Wilson Harrison like, he doesn't have those guys in the NFL. Now,

432
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Speaker 4: rookie head coach who is a defensive head coach, and

433
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Speaker 4: you go on rants probably weekly about how defensive head

434
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Speaker 4: coaches that's not your jam in the NFL. First time

435
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: play caller, I believe that is so much newness. And

436
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 4: this is the second straight year in free agency where

437
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 4: they just go and they just get guys. There's no like, ooh,

438
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 4: that's a great buy, that's a great bargain, what value.

439
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: You don't hear any of that with the Texans free

440
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 4: agent moves the GM in trouble. This franchise is just

441
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Speaker 4: I don't see it. This is definitely an under six

442
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Speaker 4: and a half for me. I have to feel they're

443
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Speaker 4: in the basement in the division. It's not that hot

444
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Speaker 4: of a take, but I think the Indianapolis Colts with

445
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 4: Shane Steichen offensive guy, will finish ahead of the Texans.

446
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Speaker 3: You had this beef with KD.

447
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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because I don't get pro athletes reaching

448
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: out to me, dming me, But when I go to

449
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: an event like UFC, they all come up to me

450
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Speaker 2: right all like a hey, Max Krass being the Raiders

451
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Speaker 2: and Jamal Murray and you know, all the guy all

452
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Speaker 2: the pro will come over and they're like, I can't

453
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Speaker 2: believe it, and they're great. I stayed at a hotel

454
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Speaker 2: in Vegas. Four NBA teams there. Players are great. I

455
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: don't get dms from anybody. I mean literally, women athletes,

456
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: nobody you do. What do you think it was that

457
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: set off KD and why he came after you? So

458
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Speaker 2: this wasn't the first time we had really engaged.

459
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Speaker 4: So I realize back in like twenty sixteen, I was

460
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Speaker 4: kind of on an island defending Kevin Durant's move to

461
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Speaker 4: the Warriors. Everybody else is killing him. Alhwa's a frontrunner,

462
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. So I would tag him on Instagram

463
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Speaker 4: on the stories and say great move, Kevin Durant. Here's

464
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Speaker 4: my take on it from whatever TV show and blah

465
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 4: blah blah, and Kevin Durant because he is not encumbered

466
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Speaker 4: by a wife or children, and I don't even think

467
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Speaker 4: he has a pet. He's got his phone in his

468
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Speaker 4: pocket at all times, responding Burner accounts, he will reply

469
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Speaker 4: and we we've had this ongoing discussion for like seven years.

470
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Speaker 4: I mean, I've got it documented in the DMS, and

471
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 4: you know he'll reply, and we had firm disagreement. I

472
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: was not afraid to tell him that I thought leaving

473
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Speaker 4: the Warriors was the craziest thing he ever did. And

474
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Speaker 4: you know, he doesn't love when you say that, but

475
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Speaker 4: you know, listen, he's one of the few pro athletes

476
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Speaker 4: that's going to engage a lot of them are kind

477
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Speaker 4: of above the fray and don't care.

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Speaker 3: I almost think, and I don't know if you'd agree.

479
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 4: Durant is so pot committed to being online argumentative guy

480
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Speaker 4: that that's like kind of one of his brand layers.

481
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Speaker 4: And so if he doesn't do that, it's like off

482
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Speaker 4: It's not really it's off brand firm. So he now

483
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 4: has to lean into that and fire back whether it's

484
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Speaker 4: Jason McIntyre, Colin Cowherd, Michael Rapaport, Joe Bob. He's going

485
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Speaker 4: back at everybody because he also has the time and

486
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Speaker 4: he's got a lot of money. He's done great with

487
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Speaker 4: business since he moved out to the Bay Area for

488
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Speaker 4: the Warriors, great business in New York with his agent Listen.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant's dominating.

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Speaker 4: I still don't believe in get in arguments with people

491
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 4: on the internet is just a no win situation. I've

492
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: been blocked by several guys. Odell Beckham back in the day,

493
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 4: hated hated. When I was saying the Giants are trade,

494
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 4: Odell I did it on the radio show. Tagged him,

495
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 4: instant block. Baker Mayfield man. I would not draft Baker

496
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: Mayfield number one, would not draft him, would not drafted,

497
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Speaker 4: tag him instant block. Like some guys would just block

498
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Speaker 4: and tune it out. Other guys will engage. I don't

499
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Speaker 4: want it to be my thing. I don't want to

500
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: argue with athletes, but from time to time you get

501
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 4: into dustop.

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Speaker 2: You and I like the same sports, you know the

503
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: other thing. Obviously, I've been in the media for thirty years.

504
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm never outraged like never, and since I've known you,

505
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: you're not. That doesn't mean it didn't bother me. When

506
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Speaker 2: the young son went with his dad on the submarine,

507
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: that was really sad to me. It just made me

508
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 2: sick to my stomach because all I could think about was,

509
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 2: you know, the kid was about my son's age, and

510
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, that egomaniac billionaire convinces his son

511
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Speaker 2: to go on it, Like that's the last time I

512
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: was really just in a bad mood for twenty four

513
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: or forty eight hours. It really bothered me. But are

514
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: you ever surprised by how thin skinned and regularly outraged

515
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: the media is when they dish out so much criticism

516
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: and so much smart I mean, it's really watching the

517
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: media be outraged by like normal conversations everybody has is

518
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: lacking so much in self awareness. All we do is criticize,

519
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: and yet so many people in our industry are so

520
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: easily offended.

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Speaker 3: I just I'm taken back by it regularly. Well, it's weird.

522
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Speaker 4: When I was growing up, I remember the nightly news

523
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: was Dan rather on one network, I think Tom Brokaw,

524
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 4: Peter Jennings. They set the agenda every night, and you

525
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 4: know my parents would watch it. I would get roped

526
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 4: into watching it. And if you happen to miss it, Colin,

527
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: you know what, you picked up the newspaper and read

528
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 4: it the next day. Now, I was a young kid,

529
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Speaker 4: I don't remember it being so divisive red and blue

530
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 4: at the time. I feel like a lot of that

531
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Speaker 4: has to do with social media. A certain president in

532
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen who was very divisive. Opinion is don't really

533
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: like you aren't at the ability. I don't think you

534
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: have the ability to piss me off with any take

535
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: you have, because I don't know.

536
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of level headed.

537
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 4: I know Colin might be wrong, he might be right,

538
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: but you know, we're all in this business we're gonna

539
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: with There's a lot of people who don't take chances,

540
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: Colin because they're afraid. You know, they want to be

541
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: very milk toast, right down the middle. You and I

542
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: know who they are. They don't want to take any

543
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: chances to go after people. I'm not afraid to go

544
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: after people. I might be right, I might be wrong.

545
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 4: I'm all in on one Veniama, I've got all my

546
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: poker chips in the middle. I think he's going to

547
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 4: be a superstar. You got a lot of people heming, well,

548
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: what about the injury, Oh, you know seven five the feet.

549
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, I can't. I said, you're worried about maybe

550
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: he's going to get hurt. This dude's going to be

551
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: a badass. He's going to dominate the league. I'm just

552
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: telling you, like three years, by the way, Luka Doncic

553
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: year three was like a top seven player in the league.

554
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: Wembin Yama is not going to be so like I

555
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: can't get outraged, but I'm by others. I don't want

556
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: to be the guy who pushes you to outreach. But Colin,

557
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: you do know this in twenty twenty three, you want

558
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: people loving you or hating you. You don't want them

559
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 4: in different.

560
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: As an East Coast guy that has moved west, it's

561
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: a very distracted town. LA. The beach, the mountains, Mediterranean weather,

562
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: There's so much to do, access to Vegas forty minute flight.

563
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: What is your takeaway on the sort of cliche that

564
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: La doesn't care about sports? Explain to an audience member

565
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: in the Midwest listening in Chicago, or a New Yorker

566
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: or Philadelphia fan listening to this about your takeaway as

567
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: an East Coast guy, and the passion for sports out west.

568
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Speaker 2: Good better surprise you disappoint you interesting.

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Speaker 4: That's a great, great question, and you I think brought

570
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 4: up on the Herd on Monday or Tuesday one of

571
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: those days that the Atlanta Braves in the South right

572
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: now are everything. It's like college football is massive. The

573
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 4: Atlanta Braids are blown up everywhere, and I think they're

574
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: like one of the only pro games in town. You know,

575
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: a couple of NFL teams down there in the South,

576
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: but it's like there's just not a lot of options.

577
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Speaker 4: And as you said, out here in LA it's like

578
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Speaker 4: I drive down my neighbor street and I don't live

579
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: in a ball or neighborhood, but Chip Kelly lives two

580
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: streets over from me, and like, literally there's USC House.

581
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: You see LA House, UCLN Like it's big. That's the

582
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: one thing. The college flags, I'm sure you've seen them.

583
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: There's a lot of Oregon Duck stuff out here. The

584
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: college football is passionate, but you don't see as much

585
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 4: with the NFL. But then again, the Rams just got

586
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: here after being here in the eighties with Jim Everett

587
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: and Henry Ellard. The Chargers just got here five minutes

588
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: ago after being in San Diego. The Lakers obviously are

589
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 4: the show, and the Clippers are trying to crowbar In

590
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: with money bags Bomber. But yeah, I would say, like

591
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: right now, from my perspective in the little South Bay

592
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: area I live in, right now, college sports is a

593
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: massive deal. That being said, Colin, I'll never forget. I

594
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: was playing pickup basketball a to gym on it was like,

595
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: you know, a January fourth or January seventh, whatever the

596
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: day was, and I was like, guys, I gotta leave early.

597
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: I got to go watch a national championship. And they're like,

598
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: the game's only starting now. You can leave in an

599
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: hour and be home at halftime. I was like, what

600
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: are you talking about? I got to what's a whole game?

601
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: They're like really, they were surprised, And these are like

602
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: this like a college football area. They were like surprised

603
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: that I was going home to watch the Natty. They're like, oh,

604
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: I'll pick up the game at halftime. And a lot

605
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 4: of that is people just want to live life out

606
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: here and enjoy it. I mean, Colin, you and I

607
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 4: know you go to the beach on like a Tuesday

608
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: at like ten thirty and it's not empty.

609
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: It is.

610
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: It's not packed wall to wall, but there's people running around,

611
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: like not just young people who are unemployed, but like

612
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: I'm talking to thirty year old forty year olds. A

613
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: lot of people own their companies and they were able to,

614
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: you know, go out and get fresh air at ten

615
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: am on a Tuesday. Unable to do that now because

616
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: I'm on the herd and we're live on TV. But

617
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: I will just say a lot of business owners out

618
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: here and guys who want to be the master of

619
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: their domain and master their universe. And you know, if

620
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 4: that means eleven am breakfast and by the beach, so

621
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Speaker 4: be it. And I'll be honest, that's not a bad

622
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: life to have. Well, you can just go outside and

623
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: you're walking on the strand or wherever you are venice

624
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: boardwalk in the middle of the day because you know what,

625
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: it's your business and it's your time and time is

626
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: the most valuable resource we have.

627
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Speaker 3: Colling the most valuable resource we have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the West Coast has always been more entrepreneurial.

629
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: There's less tradition, there's more small businesses and a lot

630
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: of the businesses out west tech you can work remotely.

631
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: Hollywood and entertainment starts later in the day, so you know,

632
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: it's a good life. Man, there's it's great to have

633
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: you on the herd. It's great to have you in

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Speaker 2: the volume. Jason mackin tire co Hoo, Straight fire with

635
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: Jason McIntyre. All right, get outside, have some fun tonight, Bud,

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Speaker 2: Thanks buddy.

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Speaker 1: The volume