WEBVTT - Jackie Brown with Sadia Azmat 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.960 On the Bechdel Cast, the questions ask if movies have 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.960 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:09.720 Or do they have individualism? 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:14.280 It's the patriarchy, zeph and best start changing with the 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:15.320 Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:22.000 Hey, Jamie, Hey Caitlyn, can you smuggle half a million 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:26.439 dollars out of Cobbo for me? I need the money 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.800 to get a haircut because my hair and beard are 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.360 really strange. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:40.960 Classic Caitlin. Yes, of course, and I will. I promise 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.400 to be like everyone in this movie, really bad at it. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.199 Thank you so much. Cool, cool, cool, yeah ough. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.080 An iconic introduction. Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:53.640 is Jamie Loftis. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.320 My name is Caitlyn Deronte, and this is our show 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.680 where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.680 the Bechdel Test simply as a jumping off point to 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.960 initiate a larger conversation. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:09.400 We sure do. But what is the Bechdel Test? Well 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:14.000 we'll tell you. Yeah. So, if you've been listening to 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.520 this show for a long time, you very likely know 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.280 what it is. It is a media metric created by 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:23.240 queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel. Originally in her comic dys To 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.560 Watch Out For in the eighties. It was a one 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:30.759 off joke just sort of pointing out how infrequently women 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.800 talked to each other in blockbuster movies. But it has 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.840 since been sort of taken on by culture at large 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:44.800 to talk about how infrequently women talk in movies. So 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.640 there's a lot of different versions of this test. The 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.000 one we use on this show is as follows. We 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.640 require that there be two people of a marginalized gender 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.040 with names who speak to each other about something other 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:02.440 than a man for two lines of die or more preferably, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:07.560 it should be a meaningful exchange of dialogue. Which we 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.880 made that change Win Caitlyn like a couple of years ago, 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.240 because there were so many movies that it was like, well, 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.680 someone talks to a waitress at one point, and the 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.600 waitress is wearing a name tag, so it's feminist, and 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.280 you're just like, well, okay, we have to make some adjustments. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:22.600 Yeah. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.119 Anyways, that's the version we use. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:30.959 Indeed, and today's movie is a long time request. Yes, 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.320 it's Jackie Brown, the nineteen ninety seven movie written and 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.160 directed by Quentin Tarantino. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:43.680 Someone who I don't think has ever experienced a scandal before. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.560 I think a no famously scandalous director. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:48.360 Yeah. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.760 Also the production company Miramax. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.920 I don't think I've ever heard a bad word about this, 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.000 So really, I don't think that we'll have really much 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.200 talk about. It will be a really quick episode, yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:03.360 No. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.320 So we're doing Jackie Brown. We have an amazing guest 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:10.400 with us who is a comedian, author of the book 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.200 sex Bomb, and host of the BBC podcast No Country 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.600 for Young Women. It's Saudia Asthmat. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.440 Hello, welcome, Welcome, Thank you for having me. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:25.000 Hello, thank you for being here and for bringing us 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:26.080 this movie. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:26.600 Yeah. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.760 So, you sent us a number of options of movies 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.240 you'd like to cover on the show, and this was 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.960 on the list. So we're curious. What is your history 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.560 with the movie, Jackie Brown? And I guess sort of 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.320 like with Tarantino movies overall, because I feel like it's 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.520 hard to talk about one Tarantino movie without accidentally talking 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.720 about all of them truly. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.160 So you know what I'm not gonna lie. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.840 I was going through my watch the Robert de Naro 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.119 movie Zone or Era. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.520 At that point in time, so I was just I. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.440 Really liked him, and I heard a lot about Jackie Brown, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.600 but not in terms of in any detail, like it 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.040 would be thrown around, like I didn't know if it 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.960 was a real movie about like a Jackie Brown was 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.040 a real person, or like it's just a name that 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.279 seems to crop up now and then. So it felt 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.760 like it was part of pop culture and I just 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.320 hadn't come across it. And also I don't know actually 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.159 if I was trying to. I don't know if I 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.400 was on my watching Robert de Niro or watching Sam 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.040 Jackson zone, but I don't know what that's not a zone, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.960 but like in terms of my routine, if you like, so, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.920 I love both of them. And then I just watched 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.760 I didn't know it was directed by Tarantino at the time, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:44.240 and I was blown away because it's not even about 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.400 Robert de Niro or Sam Jackson, even though they're really great. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.040 It's about like Pam Grier's character, and. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:55.320 It really felt like a portrayal of a woman who 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.719 is from a minority in a way that I'd never 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.360 seen before that I felt like, obviously I've never had 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.880 to smuggle money, right, but like that I could really 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:04.400 relate to. 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.599 In terms of the decisions that she had to make. 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.920 So it was like breathless and I love this movie. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:15.640 And talking about Tarantino, so, I mean, he's made some 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.240 of the best movies ever, Like Pulp Fiction is clearly like, ah, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.120 it's so good. I didn't really like Reservoir I'm not 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:23.520 going to go through all of his movies, by the 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:23.880 way and. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.000 Just tell you why. I thought. That's not very ring. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:27.320 That's not fair, is it. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.240 But there's a few that come to my like Django. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.760 I think that's how you say it, Jango one change change. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.640 Yeah, I really enjoyed it, although I didn't really like 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.240 and Glorious Bastards and I didn't really like Reservoir Dogs. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.760 I think I was gonna say, and so obviously he's 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:47.839 a genius, but I think we all know that being 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.560 a genius doesn't come without its pitfalls. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.160 And I think you might know a few of them 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.120 more than me. But yeah, I mean I don't know 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.200 like he yeah, as you alluded to, he was. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.200 I think obviously he knew about Weinstein, but you know, 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.200 so many actors probably did, and maybe it didn't occur 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.040 to them to open their mouths even though everyone listens 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:12.320 to them. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.800 But anyway, so I really like his movies and I 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:17.839 don't know him personally. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:26.440 Hey me either, Yeah, Jamie, what's your relationship with the 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:31.440 Tarantino Expanded Universe slash Jackie Brown specifically. 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.599 Let's see. I Yeah, I feel like we've covered pulp 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.920 fiction and kill Bill on the show before. 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.240 I mean, we still need to redo our kill Bill episode. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.960 I know, I thought that was a raised from existence. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.039 Yes, so we did at one point. It was our 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.440 first episode ever and we didn't know what we were 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.720 talking about. So we'll REDI that at some point. But 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:55.680 I mean, I think, like a lot of people, I'm 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.400 very kind of hit and miss on Tarantino. Like obviously, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:04.760 he's very technically talented, and you know, I'm never gonna 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.320 judge someone for enjoying his work. Kill Bill is still 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:14.440 one of my favorite movies ever, for all of its flaws. So, 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.120 I mean, yes, as far as Tarantino goes, I it 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.240 feels like almost an impossible discussion to have. Creatively, he's 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.280 hit or missed for me, He's made stuff that I 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.920 really love. I think that it's I don't know. His 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:31.040 history on race is very talked about and occurred yes, 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.400 it's I don't know. He's such a complicated person to 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:38.320 talk about because he's written women characters in particular that 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.280 I have a lot of love for and had influence 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.200 on me. But at the same time, you have the 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.160 kill Bill example, when during the Me Too movement, it 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.680 came out that Uma Thurman was extremely injured on the 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.240 set of Kill Bill, and Tarantino did nothing to help her, 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:57.560 And so it's and. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.840 He was the reason why, Like he yeah, he pushed, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.080 he instructed her to drive like basically do a very 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.760 unsafe stunt, and then she got badly injured because of it. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.120 And I think, you know, sometimes even the things I 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.200 enjoy about him creatively doesn't come through in his personal 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.640 life or personal record whatsoever. Anyways, Jackie Brown, I had 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.160 seen it once before. I remember one liking it too, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:26.160 being like it's so long. I still feel that way now, Yeah, Caitlin, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:27.840 what's your history with Jackie Brown? 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.240 I had never seen it before. This was I think 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:35.320 the one Tarantino movie that I had yet to watch. 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.600 It's been on my list for a long time, but 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.800 I just didn't get around to it until I had 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.839 an excuse to do so for this podcast and I'm 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.320 glad I finally watched it. I quite enjoyed it. I 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.600 would rank it toward the top of my list of 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.280 Tarantino movies because I think so too. Yeah, same with 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.960 everyone else. I mean, he is a bit hit or miss. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:58.199 For me. 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.480 I generally like most of his movies, but Hateful Eight, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.800 for example, I couldn't stand it. I did not like 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.439 Once upon a Time in Hollywood at all. Other ones 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.320 I like a bit more kill Bill is similarly my 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.040 favorite of his. But yeah, Jackie Brown, I think it's 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.680 an interesting departure to some degree from his other work, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:29.160 and I found it just like refreshing and fun to watch, 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.160 and I really like the characters and performances, and there's 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.760 just a lot of interesting things going on that we 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:38.240 will discuss. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.080 But I definitely agree. I think it's like one of 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.680 my especially because I think the last time I watched it, 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.080 I was in college or something, and I mean I 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:47.720 liked it the first time. I liked it even better 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.520 this time because I feel like I just know more 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.679 about the actors and had more interest in the context, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.079 and the context of this movie is really fascinating. So 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:57.079 there's so much to. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.760 Talk about, for sure. Shall I do the recap and 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:02.720 we'll go from there. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.240 Let's do it, and Sadia feels free to jump in 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:07.559 at any point. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:07.800 Thank you. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:12.360 Okay, Well, again, this is a long movie, although it's 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.120 not even long by today's standards. Every movie that comes 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.080 out is three hours long, and it's like, only Titanic 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.520 should be that long anyway. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.280 I mean, Titanic shouldn't have been that long either. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:26.640 Really, come on, Oh don't sorry, I didn't realize that. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:27.440 I want to you. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.600 I don't disagree. I could do an edit of Titanic 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.320 that is two and a half hours, which would cut 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.000 forty five minutes out of the runtime. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.000 So no way, no way, no way. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.000 I think only Mob movies should be three hours long 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:40.880 because the Mob ones. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.280 I love them. I don't know why everybody's gonna die 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.000 and lose the money. I know that, but I. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.880 Just like Barbie was an hour fifty two and I 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:52.440 celebrated that both times. I was like, wow, I didn't 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.800 even know it was legal to make a movie under 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:55.760 two hours anymore. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:11:00.160 Yeay, anyway, okay, So here it is the recap for 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:05.600 Jackie Brown. We briefly meet a flight attendant for Cabo 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.959 Air named Jackie Brown. Played by Pam Greer. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.960 I felt very film bro proud of myself during the 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.280 opening shot where I was like, hey, this is the 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.559 chef from a graduate and it is this, I was like, Wow, 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.280 this is normally something that a guy would yell at. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.800 Me, but now you're the one yelling. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.480 I am the yelling at No. One. 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:34.560 Yeah. So then we cut to Ordell played by Samuel L. Jackson, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:40.640 who is an arms dealer talking about guns to Lewis 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:45.920 played by Robert de Niro. Ordell has a girlfriend, Melanie, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.199 who we meet played by Bridget Fonda, who he does 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:54.760 not treat very well. FYI, and we also learned that 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.680 Ordell has half a million dollars in cash stashed in 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.439 Then Ordell gets a call from his pal Beaumont, who 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.599 needs to be bailed out of jail. So Ordell and 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:14.120 Lewis go to a bail bondsman named Max Cherry played 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:19.440 by Robert Forster. Ordell pays for Beaumont to be bailed 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.920 out of jail, and then he pays Beaumont a visit 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.240 he's played by Chris Tucker, and then Ordell shoots and 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:31.680 kills Beaumont because Ordell figured that Beaumont would rat him 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:36.640 out to avoid a long jail sentence. Then we cut 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:41.400 back to Jackie Brown at Lax after one of her 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:46.920 flight attendant shifts and two cops approach her, Mark and 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.840 Ray played by Michael Bowen and Michael Keaton, and they 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:57.600 want to look in Jackie Brown's bag where they find 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.800 fifty thousand dollars in cash and they know that she's 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.480 smuggling it and they want to know who and Cabo 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.920 gave it to her and who in the US she's 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:11.160 giving it too, but she refuses to talk. But then 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.280 they find a little baggie of cocaine with the cash, 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:19.520 so then she is arrested and thrown in jail for 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:25.040 possession with the intent to distribute, which is a bogus 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.120 thing which they comment on, but anyway, she's arrested and 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.560 thrown in jail and her bail is set at ten 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:35.480 thousand dollars. So Ordell goes back to the bail bondsman, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:40.400 Max Cherry, wanting to transfer the ten thousand dollars bond 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.160 that he paid for Beaumont and transfer it over to 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:49.960 Jackie Brown. So Max goes and bails Jackie out of jail, 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:57.880 and he sees her and he's like Hubba hubba a wooga, who's's. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.240 That in love? Att first cites her. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.480 And then he takes her for a drink to discuss 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.640 her options, like kind of what she should do moving forward, 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.800 and then he drops her off at home. Ordell then 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.760 goes to Jackie's house, and it seems like he plans 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:20.000 to kill Jackie for the same reason he killed Beaumont. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.280 He doesn't want anyone ratting him out, but she assures 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.680 him that she didn't tell the cops anything. But she 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.960 also realizes that his intentions might be malicious and that 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.960 he might be trying to kill her, so she pulls 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.240 a gun on him that she stole from Max Cherry, 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.560 and then she negotiates a deal with Ordell so that 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.600 he won't be put away in prison and where she 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.960 will be set up financially if she does have to 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.440 go to jail. The next morning, Max Cherry comes over 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.280 to Jackie Brown's house to get his gun back, and 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.960 she invites him in for coffee, and they're listening to 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.600 and music and they're kind of vibing, and she tells 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.200 him that she does not actually intend to cooperate with 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.600 Ordell and that she's going to try to make a 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:16.880 deal with the cops because she's fearful for her future, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.320 her financial security. Things like that. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.200 I will say Jackie throughout this movie, she's I mean, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.480 we'll talk about what an incredible character she is, But 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.920 I just kept thinking about how many times if I 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.480 were Jackie that I would have forgotten something that I 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.080 told someone. I was like, wow, I'm not smart enough 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.160 to play the four D game of chess that she's playing. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.760 Because sometimes I'm like wait what and I'm like, oh, right, 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.280 she's a genius, Like. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.880 Like is she keeping a diary? Like I don't know 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:45.800 how she got drug? 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.920 And even just caring about you know, having that portrayal 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:53.760 of someone caring about their like financial freedom, their finances, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.520 their future. That's like something I never saw before either, really, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:57.760 you know. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.800 So that's like she's a smart like she's yeah, she's 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:02.600 very admirable. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.200 Yeah, she's so cool and just like even objectively and 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:12.440 like her memory and ability to like juggle five thousand 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.800 things at once is incredible. She's such a cool character 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:15.560 for sure. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.680 Yeah, so kind of out sorry do you ever lie, Jamie? 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.920 Because I am bad at lying. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.520 So I think that's why I would have got shot, like, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.160 you know, I would have got shut. 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.880 I definitely like I feel like outside of like small 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.520 like like little white lie kind of things, and even 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.840 sometimes I lose track of those, and then I'd be like, 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.360 oh wait, I told that weird lie trying to impress 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.040 someone once and now I've accidentally told them myself. Anyways, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.000 I couldn't do what she did. I would be dead 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:43.920 in the first twenty minutes. 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:50.280 So same, Yeah, I couldn't keep anything straight. Yeah, Okay. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:55.120 Then we see Jackie meeting with those cops, Mark and 0:16:55.440 --> 0:17:00.400 Ray telling them about her dealings with Ordell, and then 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.960 she meets with Ordell again and makes him think that 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.879 she's working with the cops as a cover and that 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.919 she is still loyal to him, and they make a 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.119 plan where they will need two women to be and 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.600 they specify women. They're like, it needs to be women 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:21.359 to be kind of like intermediaries between Jackie and Ordell 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.960 as far as like handing off the money to trick 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.000 the cops into following the wrong woman during these couple 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.560 different handoffs that they will be doing in order for 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:38.159 Jackie to get this half million dollars from Cabo to 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.760 Ordell in Los Angeles, where the story takes place, by 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.159 the way, ever heard of it? Ever heard of it? 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.960 Then Ordell leaves this meeting with Jackie, but then he 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:55.239 sees Max run into Jackie and they're chatting, and He's like, 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.880 what the fuck? Like, do they know each other? What's 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.639 going on here? So now he's suspicious. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.320 He's so insecure, isn't he? 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:02.600 Like? 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:07.439 Ah truly and it is always his downfall. Same with 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:08.920 the de Niro character too. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.880 Oh yeah for sure, yep. I can't wait to talk 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.960 about male fragility with these characters. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.199 My feet at top. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.560 Okay, So everyone goes through with this trial run of 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:30.840 Jackie handing off ten thousand dollars to a woman named Shiranda. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:36.000 She's one of Ordell's many girlfriends, and this is happening 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.680 at a mall food court, and then Shiranda will then 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.680 hand it off the cash to Ordell. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.640 I wrote not to brag, but I wrote a story 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:51.760 about mall food courts earlier this year, and there are 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.960 so many iconic movie scenes that happen in mall food courts. 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.920 I think the Jackie Brown scene is way up there. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.159 It was tied for me internally eighth grade. I was 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.800 gonna say eighth grade, impactful mall food court seemed to. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.199 Me personally, they're some good ones. Yeah, fast times at 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.400 Ridgemont High. I feel like has. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.000 And clueless has one. I love them all. I love 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.440 a food court. I love drama at set location. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:17.240 Yeah. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:23.160 Same, Okay, So this handoff happens and the cops are 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.480 there watching. Max is also there, and it seems like 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.240 Max and Jackie are becoming somewhat of an item. He 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:37.919 also notices another woman, Simone, who is involved in this handoff, 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.679 who the cops are not aware of, so she's like 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:46.760 the second woman who's there to be tricksy basically. Then 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.879 Jackie goes to see Ordell and they hash out the 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:55.240 second handoff of the half million dollars. So this time 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.280 Jackie will hand off the money in a fitting room 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:03.080 at a department store at the same mall. Now the 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.359 exact plan with all of these like changes in the 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:13.919 amounds are sunny. Yeah, I got confused because now Simone 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:18.119 is not involved, but Ordell's girlfriend Melanie. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.480 Is well because Simone didn't Simone get ten thousand dollars 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.200 during the trial run And then she's like, I'm od 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.159 of hearing and we were like good girl smoney. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:34.959 Yes, but it's unclear like who knows what or I 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.760 forget like which information. It's just like it's all a 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:39.400 bit confusing. 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.040 It becomes so much about who you can trust at 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.159 this point because there's no logic, sensors gone out. 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:45.560 Of the windows. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.640 So yeah, it is about like you've got instinct, then 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:50.240 who's going to let you down? 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.480 Or can you afford to risk everything on? You know? 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.840 This weird situation. But it was so strange because I've 0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.879 never had smuggle. I have to keep saying that, but 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.399 we believe, you know, like please believe you guys. But 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.639 actually we could all do the We're three women, we 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.720 could do the test one. No, I'm just saying that, true. Yeah, 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.800 it is, so it's weird how real this all felt, 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.640 even though the stakes were so high and not very 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:18.520 day to day. 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:19.639 Yeah. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:24.800 Absolutely, Yeah, it feels very grounded, especially for a Tarantino movie. 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:30.600 It's I would probably his most grounded one. Yeah. Anyway, Also, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.960 while all of this is happening, it seems like Jackie 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:39.399 intends to only hand off fifty thousand dollars of the 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.760 money to whoever's going to get it to Ordell, and 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.399 that she's going to run off with the rest, and 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:49.800 she's kind of co conspiring with Max about this plan. 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.720 Then it's time for the big exchange, so Jackie heads 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:59.919 to the mall, as does Max, as does Lewis and Melanie, 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.119 and Jackie hands off the fifty thousand dollars to Melanie 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.480 in the dressing room, and then Jackie leaves the remaining 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.639 half million dollars in the dressing room on purpose, and 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.480 then she rushes out of the store and calls for Ray, 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:21.600 the Michael Keaton cop, and she tells him that Melanie 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.840 burst into the dressing room and took all of the 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:29.159 money and ran out, so she's spinning this web of lies. 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:31.680 Yarns. Yeah. 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:36.200 Then we flash back to this exchange from Melanie and 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:41.240 Lewis's point of view. Louis is on edge. He's being 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:45.959 aggressive and awful, and then after the handoff, he keeps 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.600 getting lost in the department store and then in the 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.719 parking lot, and Melanie keeps taunting him about it, and 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.320 he blows a gasket and shoots and kills Melanie in 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:58.280 the parking lot. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.160