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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck

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Speaker 1: with you? Buck? How you doing? Man?

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Speaker 2: Men of good DJ, first preseason game in the books,

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Speaker 2: you've had one. So I feel like making a call

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Speaker 2: on the Jaguars game, trying to shake off the rust

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Speaker 2: and get to it. But it was great to be back.

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Speaker 2: It was great to be back in the seat. It

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Speaker 2: was great to be back in the stadium. The energy

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Speaker 2: and the buzz and all of that, like it was,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty fun.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, dude. I've got two in the books now,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game. Man, I'll take that. I'll take

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Speaker 1: that extra check. By the way. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: mad at you. I'm not mad at you. What man,

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Speaker 1: I'll say that I've called two games, two Charger wins.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's all backups, but some good things to

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Speaker 1: see there from those depth pieces that they have. I

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Speaker 1: can tell you one thing I haven't done. I haven't

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Speaker 1: called a seventy yard field goal. That's not on my list.

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Speaker 1: Haven't got that done it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Like, let's talk about that because I feel like

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Speaker 2: I was set up all right, So The Playboy Player

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Speaker 2: got Brian Sexton Like, as we're beginning to drive, He's like,

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Speaker 2: what do you think the range is? And I'm like, like,

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Speaker 2: conventional method is get the ball to the thirty five

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Speaker 2: yard line maybe forty, that's what you're talking about, and

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Speaker 2: so it's too many situations. I was like, you got

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Speaker 2: to get the ball thirty five forty. Cam little has

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Speaker 2: range or whatever, and he's kind of playing quill like

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I don't know. And so

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Speaker 2: we get to it and the ball is sitting on

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Speaker 2: like like the fifty almost to the fifty backs up

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Speaker 2: and I was like, and I'm sitting here and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: there's no way. So the scouting me and the coaching

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Speaker 2: me is thinking, okay, preseason game. I don't want them

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Speaker 2: to blow his hamstring out right, like what like are

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Speaker 2: we really going to try this? And sumashin Janikowski baby, right,

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Speaker 2: So they put it down DJ and I'm sitting there

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Speaker 2: like in my head, I'm like, what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: There's no outcome.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking as you should you look at you

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Speaker 2: paying the film, like, well, hey man, there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of things you got to talk about, like the

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Speaker 2: field goal team needs to cover because they put somebody back.

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Speaker 2: It's a returnable situation. I'm thinking kick six any of that.

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh doesn't put anybody back. So DJ he kicks it

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, about halfway through, I'm like, hey, this

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Speaker 2: got a shot. Like the way that it goes it

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Speaker 2: is the equivalent to being on the golf course with

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Speaker 3: You just you hear the whack and you're like, hey,

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Speaker 3: man that I might get there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I'm looking and it goes over and DJ,

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Speaker 2: when I say it goes over, it doesn't just clear

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Speaker 2: the bar. It is like the guy in the back

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Speaker 2: catches it with like backing up, and I'm like yo,

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Speaker 2: And the only thing that I can think is like,

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Speaker 2: holy smokes, Like because you can get you on a

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Speaker 2: broadcast that you like.

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Speaker 1: He made that?

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Speaker 3: Now, little did they? They forget out?

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Speaker 2: They didn't tell me that in practice he was kicking

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Speaker 2: seventy two yarders league game. Yeah, so they said during

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Speaker 2: the practice week, like Thursday or something, he had nailed

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Speaker 2: a seventy two yard kick. Now, if you tell me that,

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Speaker 2: I build it a little differently. They held it until later.

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Speaker 1: I was like, it's like, it's made it more fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he he drilled it. But I said this

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Speaker 2: a long distance kicker. And we've seen it for years

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Speaker 2: If you tell me I only need to get to

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Speaker 2: You can say we can be more aggressive, let's get

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Speaker 2: cam little that was the hell of a kick man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. I did not anticipate with the first

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Speaker 1: lead off the show talking about a kicker, but it's

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Speaker 1: the craziest thing I saw all week, and Buck had

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Speaker 1: a great call Holy smokes. That's fantastic. Holy like holy smokes.

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Speaker 2: And so the other part of the game that everyone's

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Speaker 2: playing both ways. So he ended up playing ten snaps

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Speaker 2: in was to get ten and ten. Ten on offense,

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Speaker 2: it moments. They're planning a lot of his own and

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Speaker 2: those things, and what you saw early is the conversation

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Speaker 2: He's playing in the slot right now. Eventually they would

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Speaker 1: Side, and he can play the whole game.

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Speaker 2: Playing either in the slider outside makes for more interchangeable

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Speaker 2: feel like it's easy to get him, get him in.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing DJ that came out of it.

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Speaker 2: There's a coach that is dedicated to Travis Hunter, like

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Speaker 2: all of those things. So I'm laughing because in high school,

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Speaker 2: all you do is you turn to your best player.

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Speaker 1: You're like, yo, you good.

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Speaker 2: If you're good, you need one, tell me, just tap

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Speaker 2: know we can get somebody up. But in Jacksonville, it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've thought that it wouldn't be even as much

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Speaker 1: know you're playing zone and that can simplify things buck,

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Speaker 3: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Dj I would think the same thing, but everyone to

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Speaker 2: a man head coach, and Travis Hunder himself said, it's

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Speaker 2: the offensive playbook that he's having to spend more time.

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Speaker 2: And because you played quarterback, you'll understand this better than some.

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Speaker 2: So Liam Korn prefers to run a system that is

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Speaker 2: heavy and verbiage. Right, So let's just use a sound

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Speaker 2: this is for Trevor. Trevor's operated off wristbands, and so

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Speaker 2: You're having to here slows you down and.

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Speaker 2: It it's a harder thing than I anticipated based on

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Speaker 2: you see a bunch of guys go both ways.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't standard thing. Yeah, but in.

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Speaker 2: The pros, as we escalate, more information makes it a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And again I think that's why it's the mental thing,

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Speaker 2: It should because any scout that is worth as salt.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to find all the information as much as

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Speaker 2: you can. And I remember going back to we talked

435
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Speaker 2: about QB one. I remember watching Justin Fields and Spencer Radler.

436
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Speaker 2: I think Jake FROMM was a part of it, and

437
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Speaker 2: there were others. And what it did is it gave

438
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Speaker 2: you a behind the scenes look all access on who

439
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Speaker 2: they were or whatever and DJ most of the time

440
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Speaker 2: people don't change like they are what they are and

441
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Speaker 2: their habits that they have. They only become even more

442
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Speaker 2: ing as they get older and as they get more

443
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Speaker 2: money in those things, And so that's behind the scenes

444
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Speaker 2: access that you're talking about. It is what you want

445
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Speaker 2: because as a scout, we all want access to the

446
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Speaker 2: secret sauce. Because it's one thing to have the liaison

447
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Speaker 2: tell you about the kid. It's another thing to watch

448
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Speaker 2: it firsthand for yourself. And it's even more when you're

449
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Speaker 2: able to sit and observe over time before they become

450
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Speaker 2: seniors and everyone is on their best behavior to how

451
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Speaker 2: do they add this freshman sophomores all of that stuff,

452
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Speaker 2: Like what is the patterns of behavior they exhibited because

453
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Speaker 2: those patterns are going to continue when they get into

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Speaker 2: the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even just hearing the kids talk a lot,

456
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Speaker 1: you know, you just well a lot of times, especially

457
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Speaker 1: on our side of things, you know, we're scouting. We're

458
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Speaker 1: not at the school visits doing those things. We don't

459
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Speaker 1: get a chance to interact with the kids. Like the

460
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Speaker 1: first time I hear a lot of these kids talk

461
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Speaker 1: is at their combine interview. You know, like I just

462
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Speaker 1: I don't know what they even sound like or how

463
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Speaker 1: they are around their teammates. This is a great it's

464
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Speaker 1: a great look inside that. And also if you're you know,

465
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Speaker 1: and the general manager path or it's a great way

466
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Speaker 1: to evaluate coaches like you wonder, you know, how does

467
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Speaker 1: a coach in the meeting room? Does he have presence?

468
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Speaker 1: Does he control the room? You know, what's his what's

469
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Speaker 1: his Uh? You know what's his style? Shoot, you can

470
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Speaker 1: figure that out watching this thing. I mean, there's vastly

471
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Speaker 1: different styles. And that's what SEC is so entertaining. They

472
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Speaker 1: have a lot of personalities with coaches. They're all different.

473
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Speaker 1: The one, the one that cracked me up the most,

474
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Speaker 1: I thought was Sam Pittman at Arkansas, who you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of these raw rah speeches, right, and a

476
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Speaker 1: lot of these coaches are very intense and uh and

477
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Speaker 1: he gets up there and they're getting ready to play.

478
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Speaker 1: That's the Tennessee game where Tennessee's top five in the

479
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Speaker 1: country in the game that they ended up winning, it

480
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Speaker 1: was a huge win for him and uh and again,

481
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Speaker 1: I'll just clean it up how he says it. But

482
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Speaker 1: like the kind of we're ready to go, man, We're

483
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Speaker 1: just just just do what we need to do. All right,

484
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Speaker 1: Let's go whip their tail and then turn around and

485
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Speaker 1: just walk look out of the building. That was it.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's just let let's go whip their tail,

487
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Speaker 1: let's get out of here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes it takes what it takes when it

489
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Speaker 2: comes to that, Like some guys, if you've done all

490
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Speaker 2: the work, you don't have to do a whole bunch

491
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Speaker 2: of robber. But it is funny because Sam Pittman is

492
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Speaker 2: a bit of that aw shucks home personality and wrapped

493
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Speaker 2: up in your hait.

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Speaker 1: The offensive line guy. Man, there's an offensive line guy.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to sneak that in. I know we'll

496
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Speaker 1: get to the preseason, but I just that was so

497
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Speaker 1: impressive watching what I've seen of that show. If you haven't,

498
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Speaker 1: you got to watch it. It's freaking awesome. That was

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Speaker 1: All right, Buck, we get to the quarterbacks in a second.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if you if you saw it

504
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Speaker 1: was it wasn't a long time. Abdul Carter wasn't there

505
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Speaker 1: for a long time, but he was there for a

506
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Speaker 1: good time, Buck, because I mean it was three rushes,

507
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Speaker 1: it was on the edge, it was him against guards

508
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Speaker 1: is gonna be a nightmare. I mean, like you got

509
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Speaker 1: no shot blocking that, dude. Yeah.

510
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Speaker 2: Overall, I'm gonna be honest with you, like the New

511
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Speaker 2: York Giants does. Like the Giants, particularly on defense, when

512
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Speaker 2: you go back and you close your eyes and you

513
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Speaker 2: envision what a Giants defense is supposed to be, It's

514
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Speaker 2: supposed to be about that front line being able to

515
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Speaker 2: get out after and when you add Abdual Carter to

516
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Speaker 2: a front line that already has dexter lawrence and you

517
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Speaker 2: think about Brian Burns and cave On Timberdough and on

518
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Speaker 2: and on and on, like, this is a team that

519
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Speaker 2: now looks like they have the recipe that has successfully

520
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Speaker 2: worked for this.

521
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Speaker 1: Team for years.

522
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Speaker 2: And that is why when we talk about the scouting business,

523
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Speaker 2: it's so important when we talk about taking the best

524
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Speaker 2: player available, like, don't complicate it regardless of what you have,

525
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Speaker 2: what is in the cupboard. If the best player available

526
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Speaker 2: is sticking there on your board and it's whatever, you

527
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Speaker 2: can't have enough good players. And Abdual Carter has some

528
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Speaker 2: of that X factor to him when it comes to

529
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Speaker 2: being a pass rusher. That man, this is gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun for the Giants defensive coordinator Shane

531
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Speaker 2: Bowne to try and figure out a way to really

532
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Speaker 2: attack upon this because that front line now is kind

533
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Speaker 2: of scary.

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Speaker 1: Good. Yeah, he is. He's a problem man, and he

535
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Speaker 1: can win with speed. He's got a feel. People forget

536
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Speaker 1: he was rushing with one arm, you know, in that playoff,

537
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Speaker 1: which he was still dominant, but he looked he looked

538
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Speaker 1: like a dude. Man. There was some I don't say

539
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Speaker 1: this lightly, especially knowing the guy I'm talking to played

540
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Speaker 1: with him, but god, he looked like Derek Thomas, just

541
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Speaker 1: the way he was.

542
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Speaker 2: Moving coming off the ball, coming off the ball, snap

543
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Speaker 2: look first ep quitting this snapcount anticipation. When you have

544
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Speaker 2: that DJ man, you are playing with house money, particularly

545
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Speaker 2: when you're at home. When you're at home and you

546
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Speaker 2: have the home crowd behind you, and the offense, particularly

547
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Speaker 2: the edge blockers, don't have the luxury of really hearing

548
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Speaker 2: the hood up or the go and they're kind of

549
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Speaker 2: on their heels. It's a difference maker. And after Carter's speed,

550
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Speaker 2: Brian Burns the speed, Dexter Lawrence's power, I mean they

551
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Speaker 2: can come at you in a bunch of different ways.

552
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Speaker 2: And when they start having the fun stuff, when it

553
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Speaker 2: comes to their NASCAR package that everyone has, when they

554
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Speaker 2: put all the pass versus on the field, they can

555
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Speaker 2: be handful. It's gonna be a problem for some teams.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. I was on uh, I was with you

557
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Speaker 1: on Thursday night with TV and then you had to

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Speaker 1: take off the Jacksonville So Friday night MJD was in

559
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Speaker 1: there with with Ret and Eye and that was the

560
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Speaker 1: shitt Or Sanders game. And I can before we get

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Speaker 1: into what we saw from the tape, which was good,

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Speaker 1: I can't recall when was the last like this, the

563
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Speaker 1: player that was this polarizing. Whereas I'm doing pre half

564
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Speaker 1: in posts and all my mentions are you're loving this,

565
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Speaker 1: You're over the top loving this guy up too much,

566
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Speaker 1: or you're just a hater and you hate on him

567
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Speaker 1: and that d D like there is no And maybe some

568
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Speaker 1: of that is social media is going to be the extremes, right,

569
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Speaker 1: but the the volume of it in terms of people

570
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Speaker 1: that are interested in this dude and have very strong

571
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Speaker 1: opinions one way or the other. I can't remember a

572
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Speaker 1: guy that was this Maybe this polarizing.

573
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Speaker 2: No, I can't remember, but hass off the NFL network

574
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Speaker 2: picking up all three preseason games with Dr Sanders. Even

575
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Speaker 2: better yet, thanks Cleveland Browns for somehow finding a way

576
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Speaker 2: to make him the starter in that game, because now

577
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Speaker 2: it's become musty TV.

578
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Speaker 1: Oh, I haven't seen the rainy yet, but I guarantee

579
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Speaker 1: you it is massive.

580
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Speaker 3: It's a number.

581
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Speaker 2: And here's what I said about before we even get

582
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Speaker 2: to the performance, Like, what we're always doing when it

583
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: comes to putting young guys on the field and in

584
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: the game is we're always trying to assess how they're

585
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Speaker 2: going to play in these big moments, whether they're in college,

586
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Speaker 2: whether they're playing in their regular season games or bowl

587
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Speaker 2: games or conference championships or whatever. We're trying to see

588
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Speaker 2: how they're going to handle the magnitude of the moment

589
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Speaker 2: at the next level. Even though this was a preseason game,

590
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Speaker 2: there was so much hype, pomping circumstance around this game

591
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Speaker 2: because as you talked about the polarizing opinions, you had

592
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Speaker 2: some people who were already saying, Oh, they're setting them.

593
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Speaker 1: Up to field, which was so crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: You have other guys and I've been just like it

595
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Speaker 3: takes what it's take.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's go play ball, football, go play ball hard.

597
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Speaker 2: Things are hard, and in fact, the majority of people

598
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Speaker 2: that are playing on that field, this is what it's like.

599
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Speaker 1: You gotta go and prove.

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Speaker 2: And so to me, I was interested in seeing what

601
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Speaker 2: was going to happen. And I said this, and I

602
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: think we talked about it. They actually did him a

603
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: favor because they gave my heads up. He had two

604
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Speaker 2: days to know that.

605
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Speaker 1: He was going to be the start.

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Speaker 2: It was like you walked into the stadium and then

607
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, by the way, you're starting. So he

608
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: had two days to get ready, and so to me,

609
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Speaker 2: I wanted to see how he would handle the pressure. Look,

610
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Speaker 2: he had a solid overall game DJ. But to me,

611
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Speaker 2: the guy that I saw in that game is the

612
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Speaker 2: same guy that I saw in Colorado, good, bad or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That is the same player that I saw at Colorado. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought he was good man. I thought I thought

615
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Speaker 1: there was nothing in there that really surprised me. Again,

616
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Speaker 1: this guy, he was my twentieth rated player in the

617
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Speaker 1: draft that gave him a first round grade. He went

618
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Speaker 1: out there and quitted himself like a like a first

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Speaker 1: round quarterback should and he's not playing with starters. He's

620
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Speaker 1: not playing against starters. Okay, you can say things are

621
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Speaker 1: simplified all those things. To me, I push all that

622
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Speaker 1: to the side. The game looked, didn't look fast, asked.

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Speaker 1: He threw the ball with accuracy, anticipation. There was an

624
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Speaker 1: escape that was great where he created plays with his legs,

625
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Speaker 1: which I saw. We saw this stuff at Colorado, and

626
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Speaker 1: there was a couple of plays where he drifted and

627
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Speaker 1: retreated and you know, played with some fire. A little

628
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: bit on that in terms of, you know, putting himself

629
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Speaker 1: at risk of a big loss on sacks. So again,

630
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Speaker 1: stuff he can continue to focus on. I I it's

631
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Speaker 1: hard with him to even use context as an example.

632
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Speaker 1: Like to me, I went back and I pulled I

633
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: pulled all the numbers of because I have worked for

634
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns for two years. I know the history

635
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Speaker 1: since they came back with Tim Couch that they've been

636
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Speaker 1: searching for this guy for over twenty twenty five years.

637
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: They've been trying to find this guy for twenty five years.

638
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Speaker 1: And so I've seen people, I've seen the hype train

639
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: leave the station before and I so I pulled up

640
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: all the numbers of like Deshan Kaiser and Manzell and

641
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Speaker 1: and you know, like you go through Brandon Whedon, like

642
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: all these guys they've had over the years, Brady Quinn,

643
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Speaker 1: Brady Quinn at a heck of a first preseason game,

644
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Speaker 1: and and a lot of those guys played really well

645
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Speaker 1: in their first preseason game. But everything is so everybody

646
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Speaker 1: wants to fight on him so much that I'm like,

647
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Speaker 1: I'm not this is if I put this out there,

648
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Speaker 1: if I just said, hey, he did what he was

649
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Speaker 1: supposed to do. It was really solid. But like this,

650
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Speaker 1: this is not everybody's saying, oh, he's got it, he's

651
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: the starter now, and all this kind of like let's say,

652
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: let's just he's learning, he's given, he's earning more opportunities

653
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: to play with with twos and eventually with ones, he

654
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: earned more reps. And that is that is outstanding. He

655
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: did his job. But people are freaking so far on

656
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Speaker 1: the high end and the low end. Buck like I

657
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Speaker 1: feel like this, yeah, like find a middle ground in

658
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Speaker 1: here somewhere, people.

659
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw where telling you our research and

660
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Speaker 2: put out those numbers and he compared them. I think

661
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Speaker 2: those numbers were either Baker Mayfield's numbers he compared to

662
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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield's numbers on Twitter, which is which is fine.

663
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Speaker 2: And I think DJ, what you said is how you

664
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Speaker 2: should keep it in context and perspective. We talk about

665
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: playing the long game. From a scouting perspective. What SHOULDR

666
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: Sanders did is exactly what you said. He played well

667
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: enough to earn himself another opportunity to get reps with

668
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Speaker 2: maybe the twos in the next game they played the

669
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Speaker 2: field there for Eagles Kevin.

670
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Speaker 1: Joint practice right now, maybe this week give him a

671
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: couple of pops against those dudes.

672
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Speaker 2: And Kevin Sevanski said, like, he'll get more reps against

673
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: the Eagles. And we had talked and I think even

674
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: on Thursday night, I said, look to me, this has

675
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: some Russell Wilson vibes in terms of like he set

676
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: the foundation where if he plays well, yeah, you have

677
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: that conversation at the end of the preseason. But right now,

678
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: what he did is he earned additional opportunities based on circumstances. Now,

679
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: what's unfortunate for Kenny Picking and Dylan Gabriel. And this

680
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: is the thing that we talked about in training camp. Man,

681
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: you have to stay on the field because you don't

682
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: want to crack the door open for somebody behind you.

683
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: And what they did is they left the door a

684
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: jar for him to get more reps. And those reps

685
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: are gonna come at their expense. But what Kenny Picking

686
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: and Dylan Gabriel have is they got an opportunity to

687
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: halt some of that momentum based on their own play.

688
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: But with only two games left, everything has to happen

689
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: quickly for everybody before we make decision.

690
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: I still Spade Joe Flack Goo to be the.

691
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: Starter, but those battles, it just intensifies for the guys

692
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: behind them because the clock is the time is dwindling.

693
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Speaker 1: On way we can make a decision with only two

694
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Speaker 1: games left. Yeah, I said it on the on the

695
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Speaker 1: air on Friday night. I said, look, I know one thing,

696
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Shodor Sanders has won one job. The job that he's

697
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: won is the trainer because he just magically healed two

698
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Speaker 1: hamstrings with one.

699
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Speaker 3: Hey, but I don't know if you're gonna be able

700
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Speaker 3: to keep sitting out.

701
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Speaker 1: Because I know you're not a hundred. I know you're

702
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Speaker 1: not a hundred, But if you're if you're sixty, if

703
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: you're north of sixty. We gotta get we gotta get

704
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Speaker 1: back of practice.

705
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, because because as we said, DJ, literally you have

706
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: two games left and now these joint practices help both traxes.

707
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Speaker 1: Or even I would argue would even be more important

708
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: than what we're seeing in the games. But I've said this, like,

709
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: to me, the thing that makes the most sense for

710
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: the Browns, and I think I've been on record with

711
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: this before. It makes the most sense for me with

712
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco to start game one and whether that buys

713
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: you two weeks, four weeks, eight weeks, like I want

714
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: to see. To me, at should or I had such

715
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: a higher grade on him than Dylan Gabriel, so me,

716
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: I want to evaluate him this year, so I want

717
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: to see him play. But to me, I think it's

718
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: easier to start with Flacco and go to Shador than

719
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: to throw Shador out there week one and if man,

720
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: it gets pretty bad, if he struggles and it's too

721
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: much like then going to Flacco, I think you kind

722
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: of lose Shador. I think by allowing him, you know,

723
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Speaker 1: to sit in regular season at the beginning of the

724
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: year and see what a weak preparation looks like, seeing

725
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Speaker 1: game speed, watching Flacco play, even if it's for two weeks,

726
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: three weeks, four weeks. I think that's going to give

727
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: him a better shot of being successful when you do

728
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: hand him the keys. But make no mistake, if they

729
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: go through this whole year and he doesn't play at

730
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Speaker 1: all and they don't see him in game action, man,

731
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Speaker 1: I think that's a mistake. You got to see what

732
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Speaker 1: you have.

733
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the all the aps you got to put

734
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: by that is if Joe Flacco is ball and this

735
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: team is playing well, then I will understand if they

736
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Speaker 2: don't put him on the field.

737
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Speaker 1: See, but if it's a situation.

738
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Speaker 2: Where they're not playing and they're not in playoff contention,

739
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: at some point, he has to give him a field

740
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: because you have to see him, see what he looks like,

741
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: see if he potentially could be a future option at

742
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: quarterback or if you have to go back into twenty

743
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: twenty sixth draft and find that next guy. But it's interesting,

744
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: But let's say this, because we're talking about you doing,

745
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about these other quarters. I'm gonna say this,

746
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 2: I'm really impressed, and I know it's only game one.

747
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: I'm really impressed by the rookie class and quarterbacks right

748
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: and looking at cam Ward and looking at Jackson Dart

749
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: who I think we let's talk cam Ward because because

750
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: he was number one, I want to give him his due.

751
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: He didn't play a ton. But what do you see

752
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: look man? Like?

753
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: Here's what I like when it comes to it. I

754
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: like guys that are true to the tape that we

755
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: watched in college. I like guys that show what we

756
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: saw in college. Is the same guy that shows up

757
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: in the pros. Cam Ward, same guy showed up. And

758
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: I would say, first thing that stands out to me

759
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: is the alpha dog demeanor when they're going no huddle

760
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: up tempo and he is in cont roll. I was like,

761
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: that's the cam Woard that I saw, not only in Miami,

762
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: but the same one I saw Washington State.

763
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: To take charge. All of that leadership stuff. I loved it.

764
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: The off platform throws, the tight window throws, all of that.

765
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: He has all of that in space. Now.

766
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how good that team is going to be,

767
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: but I do know he is as advertised.

768
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: When it comes to the alpha dog leader that we

769
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: talked about coming out of Miami, Yeah, to me, it's

770
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna be chasing points a lot, And to me,

771
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be on a team that has to

772
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: chase points, I want somebody that's fun to watch and

773
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: chase mode. And they're gonna be it's gonna be fun

774
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: to watch him really Ridley out there make plays for him,

775
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be fun to watch, chasing chasing people.

776
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: But I and I don't think they're gonna want a

777
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: ton of games down there in Tennessee this year. But

778
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be exciting to watch. I'm I'm

779
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: curious to see how much they give him in these

780
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: last couple of games, if they give him a little

781
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: more work just to kind of get him ready, or

782
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: if they feel like they're gonna you know, he got

783
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: if he's good, Yeah, yeah, that'll be. It's tough to

784
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: figure out how to use Ricky quarterbacks if or if

785
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: you're playing on starting them, how much do you give

786
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: him in the preseason, that's a tricky one to me.

787
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart was excellent. I thought, you know, I knew

788
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: he'd be able to run the ball and shows his

789
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: athleticism and toughness that was on display. I thought he

790
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: showed a really nice feel and touching the screen game,

791
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: which is going to give them opportunities whenever he does

792
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: get on the field. And I do think we see

793
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: him this year. I've said it. I think Russell Wilson

794
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: goes for a little bit and then I think they're

795
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna see that that kind of hits his head on

796
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: the ceiling a little bit, and they're gonna want to

797
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: see what Jackson can do. And we're going to see

798
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: him play this year. But having a young quarterback who's

799
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: really really good in the screen game and can run

800
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: buck Man, we can start with a game plan just

801
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: with that little foundation, and we can build out from there.

802
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this man like, and because I'm looking

803
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: at my notes as we're talking about Scheduor, I'm looking

804
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: at my notes on Jackson Dark and DJ.

805
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: I was a fan.

806
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: I was a fan coming in and I was really

807
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: a fan, and I think we've had these experiences before

808
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: when you meet people in person. The humility that he

809
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: displayed when we were in person, I was like, man,

810
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty pressive that this guy wants to do it.

811
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: And I had him as a first round grade and

812
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: I remember talking about his arm, his zip, his velocity,

813
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: big play hunter all those things. I thought he was

814
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: great as an athlete. Worked the entire field in DJ

815
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: and watching that game, I could see where Brian day

816
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: ball went. You know, in the garage where you keep

817
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: your old files. I saw him go to the Josh Allen.

818
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: I saw him pull out the folder like, oh yea hey,

819
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: I use some of the stuff with Josh. Using him

820
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: in the run game.

821
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 3: Just a little bit, just a little taste.

822
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: It changes the equation for the defense. And because Jason

823
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: Dark was so comfortable doing it, I was like, Oh,

824
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: this is hey, this is you can start getting excited

825
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: about how they can utilize him and how they can

826
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: put it together, and they can do it without the

827
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: pressure of having to put him on the field week one.

828
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: I could see where this could look later in the

829
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: year and even next year as they slowly build upon it.

830
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: So nice debut for him. A lot of things to

831
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: get you excited about, which is what you want to

832
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: see from your rookie quarterbacks.

833
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also thought I like quarterbacks that match their environment.

834
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: They matched the stadium, the weather, the division, Like there's

835
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: a ruggedness that I think you need to have to

836
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: play in that in that building, in that division. So

837
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: I thought that that was encouraging to see. And this

838
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: is a team, man, this offensive line can stay healthy,

839
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: they're going to be you know, they're going to be

840
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: above average on the offensive line. Those guys can all

841
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: stay healthy, continue to develop, and they've got some pieces there.

842
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: Think about them on the defensive side of the ball.

843
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: We've already talked about Abdul Carter on the defensive front.

844
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: And then they win if they kind of hang around

845
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he were to get

846
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: in there all of a sudden. Now you're looking up

847
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: for all the grief that Joe Shane has taken. Man,

848
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: you go, man, this team's headed in the right direction.

849
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: They got a chance to be a much better team

850
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: than people anticipate.

851
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna go back to a conversation that I

852
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: had doing Brian dave Balls first season when they went

853
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, and I talked to him and he

854
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: talked about how they were able to win games with

855
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: a roster they might have been limited at the time,

856
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: and he talked about, hey, we have to play a

857
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: certain way.

858
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: To get the game in the margins.

859
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: We have to run the football, we have to trick

860
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: people in some unbalanced situations, find a way to make

861
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: the quarterback make some plays but not put him at risk,

862
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: play good defense, and in the fourth quarter, we got

863
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: to make those plays to win. DJ there's a path

864
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: for the New York Giants to be able to win

865
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: with their roster as presently constructed. Right now, we've been

866
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: raving about the defense in Abdul Carter. It literally is

867
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: Brian dave Ball putting more on the defense. I mean,

868
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: you guys got to keep this number down. If you

869
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: can keep this number to eighteen to twenty, we can

870
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: manufacture enough points to win games in the fourth quarter. Honestly,

871
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: I believe more pressure should be applied to the defense

872
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: to play well so our offense can find a way

873
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: to sneak it. But if they are able to get

874
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: games kind of like on their terms. There's absolutely a

875
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: path for the Giants way because we've seen it. We

876
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: saw it in his first season on the job, so

877
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: we know that he can do it a certain way.

878
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: Kind of believe he has the pieces in.

879
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: Place to be able to do it because Jackson Dart

880
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: is a better version Daniel Jones in terms of the

881
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: athlete and playmaker from the pocket.

882
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. I think there's a formula

883
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: out there that exists the challenges. Jade Daniels wasn't in

884
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: Washington when they when they made that run. The Eagles

885
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: coming off a super Bowl, and I can tell you

886
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: the Cowboys they might be they might be trying to

887
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: just say, let's just try and see if we can

888
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: reel in the Dallas Cowboys this year. See what happens.

889
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: But there are gonna be a They're gonna be a

890
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: fun team to watch. Any all right, that we could

891
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: go on forever on preseason buck, but any other any

892
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: other interesting takeaways before we jump out here.

893
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: I want to get your take because you got a

894
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: chance to tell the ship in person.

895
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: How do you what did you think? Because I know

896
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: the charge pick six early, Yeah, pick six early, But

897
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I thought he looked in control. Cal Moore did a

898
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: good job of giving him some shot plays which he

899
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: hit a big one on a double move. And then

900
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: they love that little what do you guys call that?

901
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: Uh little little swing screen where you've got a buddy

902
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: in front of you. What do you what do you

903
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: guys label that? We saw it in the NFL a

904
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: lot last year where you'll like have a tight end

905
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: out front of the back o the little swing screen

906
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah, they did something that I

907
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: call it like a buddy screen, just because you got

908
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: a little buddy out there in front of you. But

909
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: they did a lot of that stuff and then he

910
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: can move around. He's athletic, the arm look good. I mean,

911
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: he still can get a little scattered at times, but

912
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean Spencer Ratler didn't didn't really do a whole

913
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: heck of a lot. And to me, at Chuck's age,

914
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: you know, as a twenty five year old rookie, man,

915
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: if it's close, I think he's got more He's got

916
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: more tools. I would just I don't think they're going

917
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: to be very good Buck, But I'd rather just roll

918
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: with him all year long and just see, let see

919
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: if he can develop and get better. And I think

920
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: he'll provide some excitement. I don't see that team winning

921
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot of football games. It's not a lot

922
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: of talent. No, that's the thing.

923
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: And if we talked about a quarterback competition, to me,

924
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: when he started, Spencer Rall, Spencer Radit needs to seize

925
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: the job right away.

926
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: He needs to have like a game that made you

927
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: kind of pause. If not. If it's close, it certainly

928
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: should go to the young guy has tools and young

929
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: young Yeah, they should go to the rookie.

930
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: We saw the big play down the field, and I'm

931
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: gonna say some of the same things that showed up

932
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: on tape showed up in this game. Got hit, a

933
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: little bit, knocked around or whatever. But I give him

934
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: credit for bouncing back from the early pick six because

935
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: that was a doozy.

936
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 3: But he came back and played week two. I need

937
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: to see more from it.

938
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: I would like to see him get more opportunities so

939
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: we can kind of assess him versus whatever. But he

940
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: should be in my mind, he should be the starter

941
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: when they open it up and we won.

942
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting watching that game Trey Lance. You know,

943
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: for second week in a row, it's played well. Trey

944
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: Lance and Tyler Shuck, same age Trey Lance is in

945
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: year five. Think about that.

946
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: Think about that, speaking of because you see.

947
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: It every week.

948
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: Isn't it amazing what some quarterback gurus can do with

949
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 3: a quarterback.

950
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: I'm looking up and I see dj Ukle drop a bot. Man.

951
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting here and I'm just sitting here. God dog,

952
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: it like that Harbor and Greg Roman got a magic potion.

953
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes perfect Well, he's their perfect big, athletic, strong guy.

954
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean buck you know him, I mean I saw him.

955
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: I saw him a lot more in high school, and

956
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: I thought, this guy is gonna be one of the

957
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: top five quarterbacks in the NFL. This guy looks like

958
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: this is a sophomore in high school. Now, three different

959
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: colleges had their shot to figure it out. Nobody was

960
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: able to figure it out. And maybe it's one of

961
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: those things where it's kind of like good from far

962
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: but far from good, you know, where you kind of

963
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: you see him in the little little segments and maybe

964
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, you get carried away. Man, I've been out there.

965
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: I've seen him at practice. I've seen him and briefly

966
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: in a couple of preseason games. He looks, he looks

967
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: the part man, and he's made a couple of nice throws. Yeah,

968
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: a couple of nice throws. That bomb was was certainly impressive.

969
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: So good for him.

970
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: Man, like someone locally who has an opportunity to make

971
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: it out.

972
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: That's cool, yep, no question. All right, let's let's wrap

973
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: this thing up. This has been a fun one today. Again,

974
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to do the shows when we've

975
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: got preseason to chat about. So we'll be together. Are

976
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: you in studio at all this week? Buck for preseason?

977
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think I'm done. I think

978
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm done with all stuff. I don't think. Okay, I

979
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: know I gotta go back in there. I'll give you

980
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: the date here. I'm in there Friday. So I don't

981
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: know who's playing Friday at the moment, but uh, I

982
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: will be in there. It's a long one. And then

983
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: I've got Chargers Rams on Saturday. Who the Jags got

984
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: this week?

985
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: Miami, Miami on Saturday night in Miami.

986
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: So you are hopscotching back and forth. Man, all right,

987
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys hanging with us. We'll see you

988
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: next time. Right here on, move the sticks.