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So earlier, Jason I caught up 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.479 with a fan favorite of the Pittsburgh Steelers, a member 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.680 of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Super Bowl champion. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.239 We're talking about Jerome Bettis the bus. He joined us 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:38.640 and we talked about a lot of things, but we 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.800 began by talking about a partnership that he's got with Hurts. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.800 So great to have you here on Bloomberg. Thank you. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.840 Wouldn't like coming back to an event like this. It's 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.280 always great because you know, this is the pinnacle of 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.440 our sport, uh and this is the moment where you 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.760 get an opportunity to crown the champion of a season 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.760 so long and and so this is that that moment 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.040 with the build up you know, to UH to a 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.120 special moment for the players, for the coaches, for the organization. 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.640 So it's just a great time and it's a time 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.920 for us to kind of celebrate the game. You see 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.280 some of our our contemporaries and to hang out a 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.240 little bit with some of the guys, have a great time. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.800 So it just brings a good finish to a great season. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.280 And so would you show up an event like this, Jerome, 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:29.679 in your current uh stage of life? How different does 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.000 it feel? You know, what are the conversations you're having 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:37.000 that that was different? It's different. It's different conversations because 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.600 you know, I'm one of the old guys now. You know, 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.440 It's like when when I first started coming over, I 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.760 was I think you I was one of the young guys, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.000 right and I'm you know, young, second third year in 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.640 the NFL and you're running around, you're doing interviews. And 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.440 now as an elder statesman, I come out and I 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.640 get a chance to see guys, you know, some of 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.720 the younger quarterbacks and say, hey, gratulations, great job, keep 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.320 up the great work. You know, just just acknowledging a 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.160 lot of guys and letting them know how um, you know, 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.880 how great they're doing. Uh and or you know, cheering 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.799 guys up or whatever you need to do. Um being 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.600 in a position I mean, now, it's about lending that support. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.400 You've got a great nickname the bus and you gotta 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.079 you gotta part. We're gonna get into that nickname. And 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.320 but you've got a great partnership, rightfully, So with Hurts, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.079 tell us a little bit about it. It's a it's 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.639 a great partnership. What we're doing is I'm helping launch 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.120 this program and it's called the Extra Mile Program. And 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.799 the idea is to really celebrate uh and say thank 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.720 you to the Gold Club Reward members that have really 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.720 made Hurts number one in class. And so uh, it's 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.880 and it's about creating the experiences, uh for those members. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.160 And and one of the experiences, UH is fifty people 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.640 will have an opportunity to go to the big game 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.320 in style, right and and you know my nickname, So 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.040 what would you think would be in style? In style 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.239 is a decked out bus where these people and their 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.120 friends will have an opportunity to go to the game. Uh. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.800 And and celebrate the big game on either side. But 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.840 if you're not going to the game, then there's an 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.120 opportunity as well for people to go to Instagram and 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.720 and post a picture on their story and tag it 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.200 with uh at Hurts and they'll have an opportunity to 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:32.000 win three hundred dollars in the future. UH rentals uh 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.720 from Hurts. All right, I gotta ask you about your coach, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.000 Bill Coward going into the Hall of Fame. I mean, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.520 what a moment for him. You know, there's a lot 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.160 of emotion around that. What did you feel when when 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.160 you heard obviously not unexpected in a lot of ways exactly, 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.760 but still but but uncertain not unexpected, but uncertain, right, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.360 because you never know as much as you say. Uh. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.320 And I'll use myself as an example. You know, people 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.000 you should always say, oh I didn't get in this year. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.320 They said, oh, you're a Hall of Famer in my book, 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.840 And I just couldn't help with saying to myself, your 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.480 book doesn't count. Nobody reads your book, right, I want 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.440 to be in And so I'm sure coach was. He 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.960 was in that same kind of feeling that, hey, you know, 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:20.400 this opportunity, it's not promised, and so he's kind of 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.240 missed a couple of opportunities, and so now it happened, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.440 and it happened in such a way that did where 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.560 he had he was surprised on air. It was just 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.360 it was it was just a beautiful moment. And I 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.720 was so happy that he was able to get into 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.800 Hall of Fame because he is deserving and really the 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.080 reason that I was able to get into Hall of 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.039 Fame is because of him believing in me, uh to 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.320 the point where he gave me so many opportunities to 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.200 be successful. Well that's what I was reading about that 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.320 he really was a game changer for you, right, he was. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.839 He was so so when I came to Pittsburgh, I 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.919 needed to go to a team that the mindset was 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.320 running the foot ball, because so many times you can 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.360 go to an organization and if it doesn't really fit, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.200 you're stuck, right and you maybe have you may be 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.560 a Hall of Fame caliber talent, but it never's realized. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.000 And he was able to realize my talent by saying, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.480 you know what, I'm gonna run your own We're gonna 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.000 pound the football, we're gonna play great defense, and we're 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.520 gonna win a lot of football games. And because of that, 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.640 I became the focus, the central focus of the offense, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.280 and I don't have success after success after success. The 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.640 hard part though, was we weren't able to win a 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.720 championship early on, and so that was the the goal, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.239 the drive, and ultimately we we finally got there. And 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.440 and that was just the kind of the cherry on 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.720 on on the ice, on top of the cake for me. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:50.599 All Right, did you know why he's called the bus? 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.000 But go ahead? Do you? All right? Why are you 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:58.520 called the bus? They're calling the us? It happen, Well, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.159 it happened at this maybe, Okay, well I don't know 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:08.560 what story. Well, let me tell you the story. When 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.320 I was at the University of Notre Dame, there was 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:16.200 a writer in a student body newspaper that wrote that 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.560 I kind of looked like the look like a bus, right, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.839 And so the student body and there Dame would whenever 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.200 I would run, they would say, nobody stops the bus, right, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.320 the little chape. And then what happened when I got 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.679 to it disappeared when I went to the rams, because 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.839 they started started calling me the battery Ram when I 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.839 was in in l a. And then when I came 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.279 to Pittsburgh. Western Pennsylvania is a huge Notre Dame area, right, 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.080 So I was We were playing a preseason game against 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.280 Green Bay Packers, and one of the former coaches from 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.240 Notre Dame who was now coaching that he was at 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.680 that point coaching at Wisconsin. He brought his family up 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.680 to see his brother, who was a tight end on 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.360 on my team, and we're in the lobby. He's ease me. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:05.960 He says, hey, Bussy, what's up. And and the announcers, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.640 Bill hill Grove and Myron Cope, legendary Myron Cope were 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.280 in the loby heard him say it. And in the 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.480 game the next day, Billy hill grow says, oh, yes, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.800 he had a deep voice. And then his snick name 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.040 is the Bus. And then Myron Cope he has a 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.360 very unique voice. He said, he kind of looks like 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:29.040 a bus. And that was it, and and that was it. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.120 I was the Bus from forever more after that. That's amazing. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.239 I do want to go back to the coaching piece 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.000 for just a minute, because we're at such an interesting 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:41.720 moment in the league, new coaches getting hired, um and 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.360 the Rooney will exists, and yet and yet, Uh, there's 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.560 no diversity. I mean there's there's there's a shocking lot 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.280 adversity the tough league. What does the league need to do? 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.440 That's that's the hard part, because ultimately you want the 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.600 right person for the right job, right and and so 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.960 I believe the NFL has to find a way to 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:09.400 promote more candidates because if there's more candidates, then there's 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.080 more opportunity for you to like one of the other candidates. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.200 If there's only one candidate, and if I don't necessary 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.040 care for his his coaching style, then I'm limited in 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:24.840 terms of me uh going and picking a certain minority. Right. 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.520 So now you create an opportunity where you have more 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:32.080 minority coaches available. Now it gives the owners and the 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.839 decision makers more of an opportunity to say, you know what, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.439 I like his style compared to his style, And when 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.000 you don't, when you compare apples to oranges, you don't 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.439 get a very very fair assessment of what you have available. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.240 And you do have to wonder, and you know this 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.680 world much better than I do, whether it has to 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.679 start at the college, you know what, whether they're just 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.120 you know, it just needs to sort of like bubble 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.080 up I don't you know, And I'll say the NFL 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.400 has largely been independent of the college ranks in terms 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.720 of hiring. Uh sometimes every now and then they'll hire 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:08.320 a Kingsbury from from college ranks, but predominantly most of 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.120 your NFL coaches come from the ranks. So what you 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.640 have to do is find a way to promote internally 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.120 some of those minority coaches that are up and comers 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.840 and they need opportunities to be offensive coordinators defensive coordinators, right, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.680 so that now that opportunity presents itself. And then we 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:32.080 had these certain situations, Uh, Baltimore Ravens they hire a 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.080 special teams coach, the New York Giants they hire a 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.040 special teams coach. Well, there there hasn't been an opportunity 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:44.360 where and in minority coach outside of offensive defensive corder 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.320 has even been interviewed. So maybe that needs to be 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.120 looked at a little bit more So. I think there's 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:55.200 some some some places where they can create opportunities for 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.960 more minorities. So does it just increase a weirdness droom 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.640 because it sounds like the awareness is there or is 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.480 it like let's do quotas or something. I don't think 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.840 you can do quotas because you can't hire somebody who's 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:12.839 not ready, who's not qualified. You want to you can, 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.840 but but here's here's what I say. What I say 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.080 is you you need to make sure that these coaches 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:23.160 are getting the opportunities. So maybe you are providing them 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.120 to toolach so that they can go from a wide 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:32.320 receivers coach and know how to become an offers a coordinator. Right. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.400 And if you can do that, now you've created an 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:42.000 opportunity for a person who at a year ago may 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.600 have not been ready, but now he's ready. And so 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.800 they have a ton of or her absolutely former coaches 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.679 that would be available to mentor some of these coaches. Right. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.320 You you get some some retired UH coaches, Bill Coward 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:04.320 as example, tutor tutoring on some of these younger guys 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.720 on how to be a head coach. And I think 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.120 that's not being taken advantage of. We have all these 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.480 great coaches that have since retired and they have a 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.520 wealth of knowledge, and so we need to find a 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.040 way to get that knowledge and get that into the 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.760 younger people's hands. Just like we as running backs. Um 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.200 we do I have I have young guys that I 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.720 talked to all time, and I'm telling them about certain 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.160 things that they need to look for and watch, and 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.760 I think that needs to happen as well from a 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:36.880 head coaching perspectively. Do it in journalism all the time. Yeah, absolutely, mentorship. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.240 All right, Bettist, what a treat for us. Thank you 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.839 so much, good luck and look forward to Actually we 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.000 didn't get your call for Sunday. What do you think 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:51.680 the call? I think the phone hung up. I am 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.320 rooting for the Kansas City Chiefs. I want to see 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.480 Andy Reid win a championship, but I will say the 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.640 forty Niners are more than formidable. I think this is 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.800 gonna be a tough, tough ask uh. So I'm expecting 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.160 to see a great game. Hopefully Can City wins, but 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.599 if San Francisco wins, I will be equally as happy 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.120 because it's two great teams that's playing for championships. It's 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:20.760 going to be a heck of a game, I believe. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.720 So it is lining up to be all right, Thank 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.120 you so much, great, thank you, Thank you. Guys. You're 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.920 listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and Jason 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.760 Kelly on Bloomberg Radio earlier today, we got a chance 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.040 to catch up with Justin Tuck, well known to our 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.240 New York audience as a giant. UH. He had some 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.000 things to say about the game about Eli Manning. Take 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.280 a listen. I was blessed to have a safety in 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.280 the Super Bowl, and Volvo thought that it would be 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.000 unique and fun to partner with something they've known for 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.800 safety or something I've known for football. So basically what 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:01.400 we're doing is they were created with creating the triple 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.880 point safety belt system that has been created with saving 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.760 over a million lives in car accidents. 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I 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.360 gotta ask you grew up being going to the Giant 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.040 Games season tickets. My brothers still going. Um, Eli Manning, 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.839 Manning era over? What do you think? It also feels 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.120 like there's an era maybe in terms of you know, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:59.720 quarterbacks that have been in the league for a while, 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.679 but it's Tom Brady out in Boston. Um is there 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.400 kind of a new era? Are we seeing that in 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.880 terms of a change, Yeah, I mean you're starting to 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.640 I think you know, if you look at the early 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:14.319 two thousand's quarterback play, the likes of the Tom brady Is, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:18.400 the Eli Manning and the Walthics Breakers, the Rivers, the Breezes, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.080 you know, those guys are getting a little older in 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.640 the in the saddle and and they're starting to kind 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:27.680 of that wave of kind of fourteen to eighteen year 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.040 quarterbacks and starting to obviously retire. But you're also seeing 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.200 a young Cramper guys coming through now with the Mahomes 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.080 and the Watson's and the Jackson's and so on and 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.960 so forth of quarterbacks that looks like he's going to 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.280 continue to move this league in a positive light. But yeah, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.840 I mean obviously elives my guye and in some way 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.680 he's sad to see him go, but I think it's 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.040 a good time. And uh so, yeah, I'm excited for 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.720 what he to see what he does next. Any good 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:57.080 stories with Eli Ah plenty too many, Listen, I mean, 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.440 like the thing that he's going to be known for 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.680 more than anything, right, it's just how he made people 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.520 around him feel he was a superstar in the and 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.080 and then you know the more the biggest city in 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.440 the world, right, but he always kept his his root. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.680 He was rooted, he was grounded, and who he was 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.400 and what he believed in. They never changed him as 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.120 a success, built and built the built, he never changed 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.560 and he made it very you know easy for the 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.520 new guys are come in and just you know, pick 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.560 his brain and just he never was a guy that 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.000 that that he never felt like he was the superstar, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.520 even though he just obviously was. So how do you 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.400 feel about the Giants right now? New coach coming in? 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.160 By the way, I have the same shirt you have. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:40.120 That's that's wrong And I love the at I can't 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:41.800 talk about them right now. I'm here with Volvo, but 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:47.800 I love Shout But now. Um, So, as you think 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.800 about the Giants coming forward, a lot of room to grow, 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:51.680 to say, at least, what do they need to do 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.280 from your perspective, because they need to focus on what 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.840 you were doing obviously right to me and simple and 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.000 to get there is not simple, but the focus is simple. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.480 Right in this league, if you don't show up your line, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:07.600 it's just not gonna have success. You can have the 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.640 greatest quarterback, great vide receivers, if you can't protect the 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.440 quarterback and give him time to get the ball to 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.880 those those great athletes on the ages, that don't matter. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.920 So I think you have to focus on our old line, 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.840 our D lines, show that up and then bill from there. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.320 And if you look at our Super Bowl runs, we 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:26.280 had one of the more pronounced UM old line d 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:32.240 D lines, I mean from Kareem McKenzie, Chrisnie O'Hara, Rich 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.960 Serbert David Deal that old line when they played together. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.960 I remember, I remember we set a record one year. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.920 I forget what the year was. They Elie was only 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.600 sat thirteen times in the season. That's unbelievable because Eline 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.640 is not moving as a D line and I know 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.600 where he's going to be, so it makes him easier 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.600 to pass rush against. So let's just let you know 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.320 how good that old line was. And obviously our D 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.160 line has gotten so many accolades, so what we was 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.960 able to do in our Super Bowl runs there. So 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.840 if you part those two together, I think you have 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.640 a you have a really good shot of turning think 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.480 around with That's what all the teams that are playing 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.160 the judges look at all the time. Again, right different, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.119 all right, So last question, playing on the biggest stage. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.240 What was it like to play in New York? I mean, 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.600 we live in New York. We know, you know, you 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.639 make it there, you can make it anywhere. How different 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.800 is it in your estimation? For me? And everything was 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.720 so much more amped up. It was so much more 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.720 um just pressure on you. And I liked it, though 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.080 some people didn't. Some people weren't able to kind of 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:30.639 thrive there. And that's why you see some guys we 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.879 had this autist pub and autist this uh kind of 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.840 you know fair and fan fair leading into them coming 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.040 to New York and didn't do well. I just loved it. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:41.840 I was I was a country boy from Alabama, didn't 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.639 really care for all of it, so I found it intriguing. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.200 So but I think it made me a better player, 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.719 It made me, it made me keep Yeah, I just 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.320 I think I think it made you make sure you 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.880 had all your teeth, didn't I mean all your teeths 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.240 crossing your eyes got it just because that's the type 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.400 of place where you could win one day and they 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.320 loved you to the next day. They booed you, and 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.760 it's like, so I kept you humble. I think New 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.280 York kept you so humble and kept us focused and 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.320 working because we always knew that it didn't matter. We 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.200 went on a five game winning stream and the next 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.639 next home game we were down, you know, fourteen and 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.640 a half. Time. We're walking in that tunnel. You're gonna 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.000 hear booze. I mean we could have been eighteen. We 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.640 could have been seventeen and old going into the well, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.720 that's not possible. We could have been fifteen and old 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.240 going into halftime, fifteen and old, or the sixteen for 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.560 the sixteenth game. And they didn't bleeve. They didn't think 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.760 we were doing we should be doing. They were gonna 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.760 buy you. Just so, I actually loved that about New Yorker. Man. 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.159 They just they kept you humble, They kept you, they 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.879 kept you hungry to destrive for more. That's the hardest 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.320 question you can give a guy like me. We just 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.680 talked about old line, D line, right. I think when 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.480 it comes to that matchup alone, I think I think, um, 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.280 the forty Nins have an edge there. Obviously ken See 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.640 has a lot of edges on other things. I think 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.560 the quarterback edge goes to him. I think the wide 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.399 receiver age go to him. But when I think about 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.879 teams like games like this, where you're gonna have to 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.639 settle in and really play football, it all starts up front. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.399 And so I give a nod a little bit to 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.920 I mean to thet my heart says that is Andy 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.840 Ree's time. Yeah, but saying just working with the mental 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.040 right now. If I'm just calling it all things even, 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.639 I give give San Francisco just a tad bit of 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:26.240 a age, all right. And that of course is justin Tuck. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.680 Our New York Giants fans really loved watching him, and 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.160 I really had to say about playing in New York. 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.959 Also Eli Manning and and sort of the legacy that 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.800 Eli had. And you know, I think this year, you know, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.560 as someone who watches the game relatively closely, you know, 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.399 this year was a tough one because I feel like, 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.680 you know, it was a it was a tough goodbye 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.040 in many ways, but I think history in many ways 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.120 because of the sorts of things that Justin Tuch said, 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:53.840 will be very kind to Eli Man. You want a 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.160 couple of Super Bowls and more to the point, by 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.879 all accounts, good human. That's what I love to hear that, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.040 he said, you know, when new players came in Eli 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.320 Man and kind of took him to to, you know, 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.359 his side and kind of help them out and stuff, 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.000 and you kind of love to hear that somebody is 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.840 not only good at what they do, but you know, 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.280 helping outthers uh and really a team player. You're listening 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.160 to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Jason Kelly 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:22.080 on Bloomberg Radio. We're here at the Miami Beach Convention Center, 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.520 just a couple of days ahead of the Big Game. 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:26.719 But on Saturday, there's gonna be something else. And now 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.600 it's something that is really important to a lot of 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.840 the players and former players and a lot of fans 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.560 as well. It's the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award. 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.400 We've got a nominee here with us. That is Devon Kinnard. 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.399 He plays linebacker for the Detroit Lions. For those of 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.119 our New York listeners might remember him during his tour 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.000 in our fair city with the Giants. Devon, great to 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.560 have you, Thanks for having all right, So let's talk 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.399 about the Man of the Year award. Uh that I mean, 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.080 Walter Payton embodied so many things and I think is 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.600 one of just the those figures in the NFL that 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.400