1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Before we start, I just wanted to let you know 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: that this interview was conducted before the sag After Strike 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: went into effect. Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: this before with me Tommy Didario. Today's guest is the 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: incredible Catherine mcnamarina. Now get ready for all of this. 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Kat is an actor, dancer, singer, songwriter, writer. The list 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: goes on and on. She started her career on Broadway 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: in the revival of A Little Night Music, and then 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: moved into film and television, in which she played the 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: role of Clari Fray in the supernatural demon hunting show 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters, Sonya in the Maze Runner trilogy, she took 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: on the Mantle of the Green Arrow as me a 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Smoke in Arrow, Julia Lowry in Paramount Plus's adaptation of 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: Stephen King's The Stand, and so much more. She recently 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: stepped into the role of Abby Walker in Walker Independence 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: for the CW, which was a great Western definitely check 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: that out. And this coupled with her very own podcast, 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: Returned to the Shadows and several developments in the work, 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: plus her work with Girl Up and The Big Slick. Well, 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: needless to say, she never shoes away from taking on 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: a challenge. This is a very special human being who 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, man, I have so much love for So 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: let's see if today we can get Kat say something 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: that she's never said before. Kat. We have had many 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: meals together, many deep conversations, which I adore and I love. 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: One of the things I love most about you is 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: how we can connect on so many different topics. And 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: one of the first things you told me. I don't 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: know if you remember this when when we had I 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: think our very first meal is I was saying that 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm an old soul, and you said, 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, Tommy, I feel like I'm somebody that's trapped 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, but in a twenty something, your 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: old body. 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: It's true, I'm just a grandma. 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: You know what do you mean by that? 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: Well, I bag on nit and I drank Scotch, So 38 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: I think that's the surface level of it. No, I 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: don't know. Certain souls have been around for a long time, 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: and other souls are new and exciting, and this maybe 41 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: is the first trip around this life cycle that we have. 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: But I always think it's fascinating to see how it 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: kind of exhibits itself in different people. 44 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I believe that we've lived different lives, 45 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: and I consider myself a very, very old soul, and 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the ways we connected right away. 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: So absolutely, yeah, it's great. And I think it's you know, 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: if you can actually find someone that you can genuinely 49 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: talk to about the way you see the world and 50 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: the way that the world interacts with you and vice versa. 51 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: I always find that fascinating, and maybe that's why I'm 52 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 2: an actor. I think a lot about that, and that's 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: part of why I love my job, is because I 54 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: love getting to not only live a million different lives, 55 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: but figure out the why. You get a script and 56 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: you have the A to Z or you know, if 57 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: it's the TV show, you have the first hour of 58 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: the A to Z of a character and the choices 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: they make and all that, but then it's up to 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: you and the director and the other folks involved to 61 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: figure out the why and why they make those choices 62 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: and what part of who they are and what makes 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: them who they are, what has made them who they 64 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: are that then causes them to make these choices. And 65 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: I just found it fascinating to discover that in people 66 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: as well. 67 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: Well. Speaking of your work, we have to dive into 68 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: one of your most fan favorite, beloved projects you've ever done, 69 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: which is Shadow Hunters. Of course, course, of course, you 70 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: played the wonderful character, wonderful character that people. I swear 71 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: to God, I see this name trending on Twitter all 72 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: the time. Still I don't know what you do, but 73 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: Clarie Ray is always trending, and she is this badass, 74 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: demon hunting, fighting character. I know. This is a role 75 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: that completely changed the course of your life. Now I 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: read that you didn't find out you booked this role 77 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: until ten minutes before Twitter did. Is that true? 78 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: That is very true? 79 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: How is that possible? What was that like? 80 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: It was bananas, to be truly frank with you, But 81 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: it that whole process because the book series, you know, 82 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: wasn't The Mortal Instrument's book series was an international best 83 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: selling book series and they had just done a film 84 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: a few years prior. You know, this fandom was so 85 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: hungry and so ready for the next iteration of what 86 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: that story was going to be. And that wasn't lost 87 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: on you know, Freeform, which was ABC Family at the time, 88 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: and they had McGee at the helm as our director 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: of the pilot and one of our producers, and so 90 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: a lot of things were very active on social media, 91 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: and as they were sort of announcing things, I was 92 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: down between me and one other girl, and I had 93 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: about four screen tests at this point, and comes through 94 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: tests with Dom who played Jay Smith, Alberta who played Simon, 95 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: and a few of the other Simons, and we'd all 96 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: kind of been rotating in this cycle for so long, 97 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: and I still hadn't heard anything. And it was the 98 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: day that they were supposed to announce it, and then 99 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: you know, hadn't heard, hadn't heard? And I saw on 100 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: Twitter the Shadow Hunter's Twitter account for the TV series, 101 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: which had already been created by the network and starting 102 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: to be active and do things. They said, Hey, we're 103 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: going to announce who we've cast as Clary in two hours. 104 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: And I looked at it and I went, well, it 105 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: must not be me then, because I would certainly know 106 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: by this point. So I called my team, and I 107 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: called my managers and my agents, and I was like, Hey, 108 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: have we heard anything? Do we know what's going on? 109 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: They said, no, nobody's heard anything. Neither neither you nor 110 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: the other actress have heard anything. So we don't know, 111 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 2: nobody knows, and so I'm sitting there for two hours. 112 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: I went to the gym, actually, and if you know 113 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: me at all, you know I have to put this 114 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: energy somewhere. So I went to the gym and I'm 115 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: like on the treadmill, like okay, I don't know. I'm 116 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: just not going to think about it. And then ten 117 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: minutes before it's it's announced, Who's Clary is trending? Like 118 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: all this stuff is happening, I get the phone call. 119 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, just we're so sorry that it's taken 120 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: us this long, but we are so excited to tell 121 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: you that you're going to be playing Clari Fray and 122 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: all this stuff. And oh, by the way, can you 123 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: run over to the ABC Family offices because they want 124 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: you to make some videos for social media right now 125 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: that they can post. Going I just left the gym, 126 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: but sure, because I lived around the corner basically, so 127 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, here I go. And then my phone 128 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: quit working about ten minutes later because obviously I still 129 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: didn't you know, I didn't have my notifications turned off. 130 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: I didn't have anything because I'd never experienced anything like this, 131 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you know, Twitter and Instagram 132 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: and text messages and phone calls and everything are just 133 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 2: pouring in and my poor little phone just can't take it. 134 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: Well, it's an incredibly special show. Something that strikes me 135 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: about shadow Hunters is it's this magical world with half 136 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: human half angels and werewolves and vampires and all sorts 137 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: of you know, these supernatural creatures. Yet it's grounded in 138 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: such real life topical things that people feel seen by 139 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and they can relate to. Talk to me a bit 140 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: about that side of the show. 141 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: Well that I think, as you so aptly put it, 142 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: that is the magic of shadow Hunters and of the 143 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: story is that, yeah, you have and of the you know, 144 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: the fantasy genre in general. You have these creatures that 145 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: have these supernatural powers and that are so gifted in 146 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: so many ways and can do these things and save 147 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: the world, and yet they still are having problems with 148 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: their relationship or they're having trouble connecting with their parents 149 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: or figuring out who they are and where they want 150 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: to be in the world, or who they are and 151 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: who they want to love, or whatever it ends up being. 152 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: And it's it's a way of looking at your own 153 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: situation and your own problems where you can actually be 154 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: objective and you can look and go, Okay, if they 155 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: can get through this and still save the world, maybe 156 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: I can just get through my problems and you know, 157 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: everyday life. But it also did the writers did such 158 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: a nice job of humanizing all of these characters and 159 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: really making them flawed and interesting, and you know that's 160 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: that is something that I loved so much about Clarie 161 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: is that she wasn't perfect, and time and time again 162 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: she fell flat on her face but got back up 163 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: and tried to do the right thing no matter how 164 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: many times she messed up. 165 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: You have quite an epic love adventure throughout the series 166 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: with your pro star dom Suo Jace as he is known. 167 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: People love watching you two and seeing how that relationship 168 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: was going to unfold. It's actually quite funny. The two 169 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: of you have a photo I don't know if I 170 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: think it was in an episode in front of the 171 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower, right, oh yeah, kissing which Geo and I 172 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: got engaged and he proposed to me in front of 173 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: the Eiffel Tower, and the fandom started putting the picture 174 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: side by side and it's almost an identical picture. 175 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: It's wild so if anyone's seen the movie inception, it's 176 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: that bridge that they use in the end of it, 177 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: and there's a perfect view of the Eiffel Tower in 178 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: the background. And we were lucky enough to be able 179 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 2: to actually shoot the bits of the story that take 180 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: place in Paris in Paris, and of course there's this 181 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: big reuniting scene where I get saved from the bad 182 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,119 Speaker 2: guys and we fight them off, and then we're finally reunited, 183 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: and then there's the kiss. But I have a feeling 184 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: that it's nothing the stories, But from the stories that 185 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: I've heard from you and Geo, that romantic scene was 186 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: nothing compared to what you and Geo had on that bridge. 187 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: So it's off to you and my friends. 188 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you give us a run for 189 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: our money. That was a beautiful moment and photo and 190 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: part of the show. Working with such a close friend, 191 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: I imagine must have been so much fun. How did 192 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: you guys build that relationship throughout the series and form 193 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: that chemistry because it's not always an easy thing to do. 194 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: It's not but again, it was lightning in a bottle 195 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 2: that show. We were so lucky. I mean, I knew 196 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: Don before, so the ice was already broken for us. 197 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: We've been friends for like a year just in you know, 198 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: this crazy town. But it was so nice to have 199 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: someone on set that I already knew, and to have 200 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: someone there that you know, we'd already the ice was broken. 201 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: We already had a connection, We already had a comfortability 202 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: with each other that we could just play and very 203 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: quickly the rest of the cast clicked and gelled in 204 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: the very same way. You know, I Alberto who played Simon. 205 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: He and I, our characters were supposed to have been 206 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 2: best friends since childhood, spend every day together, do you 207 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: know absolutely everything, know everything about each other, And that's 208 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: the sort of relationship that you can very quickly see through, 209 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: you know that, or a romantic one like the Domini 210 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: had on on screen. It's fascinating the way that we 211 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: just were able to build it and spend time together. 212 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: And a lot of that was because we spent time 213 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 2: training together, and we would you know, we all moved 214 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: to Toronto together and we were the only people we 215 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: all knew, so we just spent all of our time together. 216 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: But it also has a lot to do with trust, 217 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 2: and we were just very quickly able to form this 218 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: bond and to trust each other and go, Okay, we're 219 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: in this. We're going to be here, hopefully for several years, 220 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: and we all wanted to make something great, and we 221 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: all really cared about the story and about the characters, 222 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: and we're so invested in making this more than you know, 223 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: just another fantasy show. And I think you really see that, 224 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: you know. I always point to Harry Shum Junior and 225 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: Matt Tadario who played Magnus and Alec on the show, 226 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: and to their relationship and all the work that they 227 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: put into that and all of the time and energy 228 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: they put into really making this relationship nuanced and real 229 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: and wonderful. And having gone back and rewatched parts of 230 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: the series, now you really see that in so many ways. 231 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: And this just came into my mind and go with 232 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: me here. It's kind of a random technical acting question 233 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: for you. 234 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm here. 235 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: When you're playing this this, you know, romance out for 236 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: a season after season after season. How do two performers 237 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: keep it platonic? Right? How do you not let that 238 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: work crossover into like falling in love with each other 239 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: because you're working together every day and you're intimate in 240 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: the scenes, of course, and so do you know what 241 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying? How do you? I'm sure some people do, 242 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,239 Speaker 1: But is it a weird line to straddle? 243 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: For me, it's not. And I don't know what that 244 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: says about me as a human being, But for me, 245 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: it's always been very clinical and almost technical. You know, 246 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: there's a very distinct separation for me between you know, 247 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: personal life and what happens on screen. And I think 248 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: it could also be because I had such a great 249 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: friendship with everyone. I had pre existing relationships with folks 250 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: that I was on screen with. But then also, you know, 251 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: when you're when they make them look like the most 252 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: romantic moments that ever exist, with the music and the 253 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: lighting and the camera movements and everything is just happening 254 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: all at once, But in reality, there's about thirty guys 255 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: with equipment and cargo shorts three feet from your face 256 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: and a director yelling at you from across the room 257 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what to do, and it's the 258 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: least romantic thing you will ever do in your life. 259 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: That's part of it. But also it's funny looking back 260 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: on it. I remember thinking this when we were shooting 261 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: the last few episodes of Shadow hunters. Our characters had 262 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: habits and even physical habits and ways of moving in 263 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: a space with each other that were entirely separate from 264 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 2: the way that Domini exist in space together, or Alberto 265 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: and I exist in space together, and we would just 266 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 2: fall into these patterns, and you know, you're in the 267 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: middle of a scene and you move around a certain 268 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: set piece and grab hands and do things or look 269 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: at each other, and it's kind of this. The characters 270 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 2: have a history that they know, and it's in It's 271 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: not only emotional, but it's physical because you live in 272 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: these spaces and you spend hours and hours and hours 273 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: of your time and your day doing this. You know, 274 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: if you think about it, what is an hour that 275 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: you watch on television? Took us an entire week if 276 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: not more, to shoot of fifteen to seventeen hour days 277 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: doing this, living this story over and over again. So 278 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: it somehow exists within you but entirely separate. Maybe that 279 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: makes me a bit of associopath. I don't know. 280 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: No, no, it makes you an extremely professional professional. I'm 281 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: going to go with that. 282 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: There I go, I'll take you. 283 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's such an incredibly special show. I mean, 284 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: we see it in the fandom. When the show wasn't renewed, 285 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: we know that they were petitioning and there were fundraisers, 286 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: and I think there was even a billboard in Times 287 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: Square and it was trending every other day. And this 288 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: show means so much to so many people. So I 289 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: know that if you have the opportunity to come back 290 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: and do another season or a special mini series off 291 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: of the show, I know you would do it. We've 292 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: talked about that many times. But what would you want 293 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: to see for your character next? 294 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: Oh goodness, well, first of all, and that experience for 295 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: us was one of the wildest of my life. And 296 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: just seeing the fandom come and support the show and 297 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: the story and each other with this mass of doing 298 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: everything they possibly could, this enthusiasm, the support, and this 299 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: love and passion for the show. There were billboards all 300 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: over the world, from Korea to London, to Italy to 301 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: Germany to the US. There were blimps flying over with 302 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: planes with messages flying over Los Angeles. There were you know, 303 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: they raised thousands and thousands of dollars for the Trevor 304 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: Project in the name of our show and saving it, 305 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: and just the amount of good that the fandom does, 306 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: even in these moments, blows my mind every single day. 307 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: And they truly there's a reason I call them angels 308 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: because they are. But you know, for Clary, the series 309 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: ended in a very interesting way that was very open, 310 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: which I loved. But you know, she'd lost all of 311 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: her memories and just got the tiniest glimmer of recognition 312 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: of Jase at the end, and I thought that was 313 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: so beautiful because it's it's making a statement that you know, 314 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: even through the punishment that she was given by the angels, 315 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: and through any kind of spite or hatred they have 316 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: for her and what she'd done or anything that exists 317 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: in that world, love and that connection is stronger than 318 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: any of it, and reconnected them and brought them back together. 319 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: But we don't really know. So I would love to 320 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: see Clarie retraining. I would love to see her moving 321 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: forward in kind of this new life. You know, before 322 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: we had that ending, before we had to end the 323 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: show so quickly, Clariy had just come out of our 324 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: original ending for season three. She had just come out 325 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: of being, for lack of a better word, possessed by 326 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: her demonic brother, and she'd killed people and done all 327 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: of these really evil things. After having spent two years 328 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: earning the respect of this entire world, she had lost 329 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: it and trashed it and become a villain. And the 330 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: only other person who could understand that was Jase because 331 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: he'd been through something similar. So this next scene and 332 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: was going to be a really interesting way of her 333 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: fighting her guilt and finding a way to make it 334 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: right and going almost where previously she'd been. No, we're 335 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: going to break all the rules and we're going to 336 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: do things a new way, and love matters and all 337 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: these things are important to going Nope, I'm going to 338 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: be a soldier. I'm going to be straight laced. I'm 339 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: going to do my job and I don't matter, but 340 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: my job does. And that would have been an interesting 341 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: journey as well. But you know, all things happen for 342 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: a reason and in the way that they should. And 343 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: I was with the situation we had. I was really 344 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: grateful for the ending we got to give the show. 345 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: You said something a quote. I want to read this 346 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: to you. Let's see if you remember it, because I 347 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: really really really loved this quote. And when this show wrapped, 348 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: this is what you said. I still feel a bit 349 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: like I've lost a limb, and it's still a bit 350 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: strange that it's not there anymore, that I'm not going back, 351 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: and I'm still processing that, but it's something that I'll 352 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: carry with me forever and something that I'll always love. 353 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: What were you feeling in that moment? 354 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: I know exactly what that was in reaction to. So 355 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: our last day of shooting. The series ends with this 356 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: big wedding, and so our last day of shooting, everyone 357 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: was on set, even folks like Isaiah Mustafa, who was 358 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: off doing it to another part of Toronto, came to 359 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: just hang out after he wrapped, and we finished at 360 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: like three in the morning, and everyone was there and 361 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: dressed up, and we had this big party and we 362 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: had our wrap party on our stages right there in 363 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: the middle of the We were already set up for 364 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 2: a wedding. We might as well just keep the party going. 365 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 2: So people brought champagne and our catering, stayed late and 366 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: made snacks, and we just spent all night on these 367 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: stages in what had become our home for the better 368 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: part of four years, with these people that had become 369 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: our family, hanging out, dancing, listening to music, celebrating, running 370 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: around being silly, sitting in spaces and you know, having 371 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: a drink in all of our characters bedrooms and apartments 372 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: and kind of giving our home the send off it needed. 373 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 2: But I remember, right before we all went to go change, 374 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: right after they'd called wrap and we'd done the big 375 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: champagne toast and we're going to go get ready for 376 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: the party. I was still in costume, still in everything, 377 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: and most other people had left the stage, and I 378 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 2: watched the edge of the set and something stopped me, 379 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: like a wall, because I realized in that moment, that's 380 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: the last time I was going to be stepping off 381 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: the stage as Clary. And I hadn't thought about that, 382 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: and I hadn't thought about what that would feel like. 383 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: And you know, that show was nineteen to twenty three 384 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: for me, and that show, I'd grown up. I'd become 385 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: an adult. I'd gone from a teenager to a you know, 386 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: a grown woman. And I didn't know what it was 387 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: like to be an adult without Clary in my life. 388 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: And I didn't know what it was like to go 389 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: about my life without show and without her. And I'd 390 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: spent a lot of time thinking about that and processing that, 391 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: and then I realized that it never really will leave 392 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: me because everything about that show and that fandom and 393 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: the journey that I went on and everything that we 394 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: learned together is so a part of who I am 395 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: that that will never change. That family will never change, 396 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: That part of me will always be there. And that's 397 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: something that's so special about certain characters. It happened with Clary, 398 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: it happened with me as well on Arrow. Those people 399 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: become a part of you, and you learn from these 400 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 2: characters and you grow with them, and you are so 401 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: a part of their journey and they're a part of yours, 402 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: and they leave a little peace with you. You leave a 403 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 2: little piece of yourself in them that lives in the 404 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: play or the film or the movie forever, and they 405 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: leave a little bit with you. It'll always stick in 406 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: the back of your head, because once you live in 407 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: somebody's head for long enough, it never goes away. 408 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And like you said, you grew up doing 409 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: the show. It's a piece of who you are, and 410 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: it's not physically here right now in the sense that 411 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: it's your day to day job anymore, but it will 412 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: live on forever. So who is Kat McNamara without Shot Hunters? 413 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: She's someone who's very grateful to have continued working and 414 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: continued to hopefully grow, as you know, as an artist 415 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: and a human and an actor and a storyteller. And that's, 416 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: you know, that's ultimately what I want to do with 417 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: my life is just tell stories and be a part 418 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: of things, whether I'm in front of the camera, on stage, 419 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: behind the camera, on a microphone, whatever it is. I 420 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: just want to continue that magic, because there's something to that, 421 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: and there's something to the growth that brings it's you know, 422 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: it's a medicine of its own, this this art of 423 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: storytelling that we as humans have. 424 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm now remembering another thing you told me in conversation. 425 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: All these little golden nuggets are coming back to me. 426 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: And what just struck me listening and watching you is 427 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: how full of joy you are. You just exude joy. 428 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: And I remember I was sharing a story with your 429 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: personal story, and you said that there's something very vulnerable 430 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: about being joyous, that there's vulnerability in joy. Do you 431 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: remember that? 432 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: I do. I do because it was something that I 433 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: had listened to or heard or read somewhere and I 434 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: was at the start of a new year. I think 435 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 2: it was the beginning of like twenty nineteen or something 436 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: about being vulnerable to joy, and it struck me in 437 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: such a way. You have to be open to letting 438 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: joy into your life and letting things come your way, 439 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: and whether that's love or work or just happiness in general, 440 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: if you're open to that being a part of your life, 441 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: it will come to you. It will happen. You might, 442 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: you know, get hurt along the way, you might learn 443 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 2: a lesson, you might other things might happen because you're 444 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: open to receiving things and to letting things affect you. 445 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: But if you're closed off, you're not going to learn 446 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: anything or grow or receive anything from the world. And 447 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: that's kind of an awful way to live in my opinion. 448 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. And I 449 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: think that what fascinates me about somebody like you is 450 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: you live this very public life social socially right and 451 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: the digital space, so to speak. Yes, you share things 452 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: that are just for you and you keep things for 453 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: just for yourself, I should say, but you're very active 454 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: on social media. I mean, four point one plus million 455 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: followers on Instagram, and add up the Twitter and the 456 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: Facebook and all the things that you're on and it's 457 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: a big part of what you do as an artist, right, 458 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: You promote your work, you engage with your amazing community 459 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: of fans. I imagine for someone like you, it's generally 460 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: very positive and a joyful space, as we were just 461 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: talking about. But I also imagine it must be important 462 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: to keep a separation between the digital social media side 463 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: of what you do and your real human life. 464 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: Is that right in a sense? 465 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 466 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: And I mean I try and generate a presence on 467 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 2: social media that is I don't know, there's no better 468 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: word for it other than authentic, yeah, and organic and 469 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: just real, because I don't think there's any Yes, there 470 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: are certain things I do that are professional, and certain 471 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: things that I do that are you know, promotional things, 472 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: and this, that and the other, but ultimately it's about 473 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: just being a person. But I think that separation you're 474 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: talking about is really important for everyone to remember, because 475 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 2: I mean, I've had a really positive experience with social media. 476 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: I think it's a wonderful thing if you have a 477 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 2: healthy perspective on it. You know, I use it to 478 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 2: keep in touch with my family and friends. I use 479 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: it to people that I'm far away from my family, 480 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: I'm far away from my friends most of the time, 481 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 2: and getting to just see a little piece of their 482 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: life and keep in touch that way, even if it's 483 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: two seconds, I can see news that somebody has and go, 484 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, that's so exciting, or they look so 485 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 2: beautiful today, or what a great day they're having, or 486 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: you know it just or just send them a littlege 487 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: of how I miss you. You know. It's those little 488 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: things and the ease of doing that that I'm so 489 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: grateful for. But alternatively, we all have to remember that 490 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: it's just ones and zeros. It literally doesn't physically exist, 491 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: and in the grand scheme of things, the connections that 492 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: you build through it are what matters. And the friendships 493 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: that you make through it, and the real connections that 494 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: you make, that's what matters. Not the number of double 495 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 2: taps you get on a photo, not you know, the 496 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 2: filter you put on it, or whether somebody has a 497 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: photo or this and all of that, all of those 498 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 2: things that people worry about, all of the numbers and things. 499 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: It's there's a part of it that matters for you know, 500 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: our job. But in the grand scheme of things, what's 501 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: important to the people, not the photos, not the digital 502 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: and if you can remember that and keep a grasp 503 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: on that and appreciate it for what it is, but 504 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: also understand it for what it is. That's that's my 505 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: hope for the future of humans and social media. I guess. 506 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: It's a good hope. It's a really good hope. And 507 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: I think that you are someone who genuinely wants the 508 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: very best for people. I can honestly say I don't 509 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: sense any sort of jealous bones in your body. I 510 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: don't think you're somebody who lives by comparison, and I 511 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: think you're generally happy for people's successes, and I think 512 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: that social media can tear all of that away from you. 513 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: It can make you jealous, It can make you comparing 514 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: yourself to other people. It can make you have anxiety 515 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: and feel depressed if you're not performing like someone is 516 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: or living their life. And you use it in such 517 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: a healthy way, which is something I very much admire, 518 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: and that's how I look at it as well. And 519 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: I think that in life, if you're somebody who wants 520 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: the very best for other people, even if it's something 521 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: you want and you're not quite there yet with but 522 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: you see someone in how happy it makes them how 523 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: hard hopefully they worked for it. I think that only 524 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: attracts good. 525 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: Things to you one hundred percent. I'm such a firm 526 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: believer in the energy and the intentions that you put 527 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: out into the world toward other people and other situations 528 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 2: are what you receive back. You know. It's it's the 529 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: golden rule. It goes back, you know, from millennia in 530 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 2: human history and in every kind of moral code that 531 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: we've created as human beings. It's that or that exists 532 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: among different communities. There's always something akin to that. And 533 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: I think it's true. You know, it's all everything's cyclical, 534 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: everything's reciprocal, and it's if you're putting good things out 535 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: in the world and wishing the best for other people, 536 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: there's it will come back to you in one way 537 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: or another. Kindness always begets kindness, Positivity always begets positivity. 538 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: And I don't know, I guess that's how I was 539 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: raised as well. It's it's one of those things where, Okay, 540 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: so somebody else is doing something great, that thing wasn't 541 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: meant to be yours. So there's something else out there 542 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: that wouldn't have been right for whatever reason. You may 543 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: never understand it. You may never know what that is 544 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 2: or why, and it might be so frustrating, but that's okay, yeah, 545 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: because just be open to whatever is coming your way. 546 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. And connecting this back to our 547 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: conversation about Joy, I always live by the quote that 548 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: comparison is truly the thief to joy. 549 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, oh yeah, that's a good one. 550 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: It just is. I live by it. I heard it 551 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: once and I've never forgotten it. I love it so much. Kat, 552 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: you clearly are someone who is so motivated and passionate 553 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: in all areas of life. What keeps your fire burning? 554 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: I spend time and energy doing things that I love 555 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: and that matter to me, and whether that's you know, 556 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: baking cookies for a friend who's having a hard day, 557 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: or going to work and doing a job that I love, 558 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: or going to the gym even on days where I'm exhausted, 559 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: but knowing that I have to train for X y 560 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: Z job coming up, so that I can do the 561 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: thing that I tell, the story that I want to tell, 562 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: and be the person that I'm trying to become to 563 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: play this character and serve the story. And it's no 564 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: matter what it is, it's a choice and I always 565 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: try and find that that positive side of things and 566 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: try and find something to be a motivator, because otherwise 567 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: life is no fun. You're not having fun, You're not 568 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: doing something right. That's what my grandfather always says. And 569 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: sometimes you have to choose to have fun. 570 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: Oh your grandfather, wise man, wise, wise man. 571 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: By the way, my grandparents and my mother say hello. 572 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: They adore you, and they send all their love to 573 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: you and gio. So I was tasked with that message 574 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: and I have passed it on. 575 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: Oh it's all the fam. We say hello and we 576 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: send our love right back. That's amazing. Everybody listening right now, 577 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, talked about shadow Hunters and if you weren't 578 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: you able to watch Kat in the show, or you 579 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: didn't you know, you weren't watching it in real time. 580 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: Guess what, She's on another show right now and you 581 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: can watch her in all her glory on the CW 582 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: playing Abby Walker and Walker Independence from the world of 583 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: sci Fi and shadow Hunters to other worlds in between 584 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: and now the Great Western World. It is such a 585 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: fun show. You are again another total badass in the show. 586 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: For everybody listening, tell them about the show and what 587 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: excites you the most about being a part of it. 588 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's great. It's so lovely to be back in 589 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: the CW family. You know, starting with the Shadow Hunters 590 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: kind of led me to Arrow, which I was able 591 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: to do for a couple of seasons. It was wonderful. 592 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: And then Walker Independence came up, and once again it's 593 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: you know, it's it exists in the Walker Texas Ranger universe. 594 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: But Jared Pataluki is doing a spin off of that 595 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: show now or a reboot rather of that show now 596 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: called Walker, in which he plays Cordel Walker, the next 597 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: generation of that And they said, hey, what if we 598 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: made the origin story of the Walkers and how they 599 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: got to Texas and how that legacy was built from 600 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: the beginning. And I am fortunate enough to be playing 601 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: Jared's great great great great grandmother, playing the first Walker 602 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: in Texas and telling that history and telling that story 603 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: of how they got to this part of Texas and 604 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: how they became who they were and these sort of 605 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: guardians of justice for the West. But you know, justice 606 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy whatever it is, is very different than 607 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: justice in twenty twenty two. 608 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: And you ride horses, you kick ass. 609 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: I try you do. 610 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: You kick some ass. It is such a fun ride. 611 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: If you love Westerns, it's a show for you. If 612 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: you're not sure, I feel like Westerns. It's a great introduction, 613 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: I think, to the world that so many people love, 614 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: in the genre that so many people love. How can 615 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: people watch this? 616 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: We're airing on the CW right now. We are on 617 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: Thursday nights at nine, and if you want to catch 618 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: up on past episodes, they're on the CW website or 619 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: they're app I believe. But what's really great about, you know, Westerns, 620 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: is there's such nostalgia to them and that you know, yes, 621 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: there's they're a very specific genre and certain people just 622 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: don't enjoy them, and that's fine. But something about walk 623 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: or dependence. We're sort of reinventing the Western. It's it's 624 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: a very accessible Western. We've got a lot of modern 625 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 2: music and our storylines, we've pushed the boundaries as much 626 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: as we possibly can. But also there are a lot 627 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: of perspectives to the West and a lot of stories 628 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: that were never told or rarely get told because they're 629 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: often sidelined by, you know, the classic story structure that 630 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: has existed in this genre for so long. And what 631 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: our writers are attempting to do is sort of turn 632 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: that on its head and take everything you know about 633 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: Westerns and make you question it and throw something new 634 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: in there and show and tell these stories that haven't 635 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: had a voice yet. And that's something that is so 636 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: such an honor to be a part of. 637 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: And it's shot beautifully, I swear. There's all these close 638 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: up shots of you, these like dramatic, dramatic close ups 639 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: where you're doing these like pending looks and looking into 640 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: the distance and questioning and I'm like, oh my god, 641 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: Kat is serving me face right now. 642 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, thank you. That's that was a choice 643 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: made by our Larry Tang is a brilliant director and 644 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: he's one of our executive producers. But he did the 645 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: first three episodes and he sort of set us up 646 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: with the style and these they're called anamorphic lenses, so 647 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: they're really wide lenses. They're more like a movie than 648 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 2: a television show. And so we get these, you know, 649 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: sweeping shots, and we're really able to capture this beauty 650 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: and the character that is the West, and you know, 651 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 2: the we shoot it in New Mexico, but the Texas 652 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 2: quote unquote in the eighteen seventies, and it's it's just stunning, 653 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: and every shot is like a painting, and I just 654 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 2: marvel at our crew is just a gift. There's such 655 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 2: wonderful people to go to work with every day, and 656 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: that's you know, and you're in the dust and the wind, 657 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 2: and you're crying and covered in blood and shooting things 658 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: and riding horses and a corset for seventeen hours. You're 659 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: so grateful to be surrounded by people that are lovely 660 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: and you enjoy and are amazing not only artists but 661 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 2: human beings. 662 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: Well, everybody on screen and off screen is fabulous. Everybody 663 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: watched the show. It is so good. And Kat, as 664 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: we come to a close, what is something you can 665 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: tell me about that you're working on for yourself? 666 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's something that I I realized during the 667 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: pandemic and have been working on and I'm still learning 668 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: to do. But you know, I'm as we've spoken about extensively, 669 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 2: I'm always positive and always looking for the optimism in situations, 670 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: always looking for that silver lanning. But something I realized, 671 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: you know, I used to kind of used to bother 672 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: me when it wasn't a good day or when you know, 673 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 2: something was happening and I couldn't quite find that silver 674 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 2: lining or I couldn't quite figure it out. And then 675 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 2: I realized it was actually during the pandemic, because the 676 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: first few months of the pandemic, I was on my own. 677 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: It was me and Bob, the Bob the quarantine boyfriend, 678 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 2: you know, my boxing dummy, just hanging out in my house. 679 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: And there are some days where you're just going, you 680 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 2: know what, this sucks. The world is so uncertain, I'm alone, 681 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 2: what is happening, and realizing that it's a choice. And 682 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: you know, even if everything's going wrong, or you just 683 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 2: wake up on the wrong side of the bed or 684 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 2: whatever it is, you can still have a good day. 685 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 2: It's just choosing to find those little things it's going 686 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna make a batch of cookies, 687 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: or I'm gonna watch that old Disney film that always 688 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: makes me smile, or I'm gonna go for a run, 689 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: or I'm gonna call my friend, or I'm gonna do 690 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 2: something that makes the day just a little bit better. 691 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 2: And realizing that yeah, it's okay. Some days are not great. 692 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: Some days are just things are going to happen, but 693 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: it's the choosing to almost circumvent that and reinvent it 694 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 2: and reframe it for yourself. That is that juxtaposition. You 695 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 2: take that moment, you feel that emotion, you acknowledge and 696 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 2: go all right, yeah, this sucks and this isn't isn't 697 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: what I want to be happening. But you know what, 698 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: that's okay, and it's okay if that happened, and we're 699 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: going to move on from it and make it better. 700 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 2: And it's that, you know, you take your moment and 701 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 2: feel it and then make a positive choice and just 702 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 2: try even the tiniest bit to just make it a 703 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: little bit better. And you know, that's it's that balance 704 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: that I think I'm working on and I think is 705 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 2: something that I constantly try and remember. 706 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's really cool you share that, because 707 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: when people look at you and talk about you, it 708 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: is often she's so positive, she's full of so much joy, 709 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: which is all true. You are. But what we're saying 710 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: right now is you too do have bad days, and 711 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's okay to not always be okay right 712 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. 713 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: And that's that's part of being human, and that's honestly, 714 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 2: that's why I love being an actor because we live 715 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: in a world where you know, everything is the perfect 716 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: filter and the perfect picture, and you know, we try 717 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 2: and present all of these things to the world, but 718 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 2: we forget that sometimes the most beautiful parts of being 719 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 2: human are those moments of vulnerability and those moments of 720 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: you know, brokenness that I always try and find it 721 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 2: in characters and always try and play it on screen. 722 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 2: But then it's it's the rising from the ashes, you know, 723 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 2: which I've been fortunate that a lot of my characters 724 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: have been able to do, and I have done at 725 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 2: times myself in life. But it's the choice to do. So, 726 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 2: you know, you can choose to live in whatever you're 727 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 2: feeling and you need to feel it, and that's fine 728 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 2: and it's human and it's wonderful. But then learn from it, 729 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 2: grow from it, make a positive choice, and find the 730 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 2: happy around it. Find that that silver lining, that ray 731 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 2: of sunshine, and you'll feel so much stronger for it. 732 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: On the other side, well, Kat, in our friendship, I 733 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: have learned so much from you, and it's really important 734 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: for me as I launched a show, I want my 735 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: first few guests to be people i'm genuinely close to. 736 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: Because I know you in such an intimate and personal way, 737 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: and I know you share who you are with everybody, 738 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: but I wanted them to know a little bit more 739 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: about the real cat, a little bit of a different 740 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: side to the real cat, which you know, is why 741 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: we talked about a lot of the things we did 742 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: in the second half of this interview, because knowing the 743 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: real cat is like knowing one of the most incredible 744 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: human beings in the world, and I kind of love 745 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: you more. 746 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Tommy. I feel the same way about you. 747 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: You know. 748 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: It's funny we when we first met and hung out 749 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 2: and started chatting instantly, I felt as though we've been 750 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: friends for a lifetime or in another life or something, 751 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 2: which I think why we started talking about the initially. 752 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 2: But it's I'm eternally grateful for friends like you who 753 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 2: are so lovely and loving and genuine, and that's you 754 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: are a gift, my friend. So this has been an 755 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 2: absolute honor. Thank you for having me. 756 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: I've never said this before. Is hosted by me Tommy Diderio. 757 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: This podcast is produced and edited by Mike Coscarelli, and 758 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: executive producers are Andrew Piglici and Katrino norvel at iHeartRadio. 759 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: I've Never said this before is part of the Elvis 760 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: Durant podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts for more, rate, review 761 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: and subscribe to our show and if you liked this episode, 762 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: tell your friends. Until next time, I'm Tommy Dedario.