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Speaker 1: First Date follow Up powered by the Advocates Injury Attorneys

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Speaker 1: online at advocatesla dot com.

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Speaker 2: Caleb is on the phone today for a first Day

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Speaker 2: follow up and he's getting ghosted from a date that

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Speaker 2: he went on with a woman named McKenna. In a

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Speaker 2: few minutes, we'll call her in social house why she's

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Speaker 2: ghosting him. But first, Caleb, how long has it been

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Speaker 2: since you heard from McKenna.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see, I guess it's been it's been about

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Speaker 3: a week now. Yeah, since her we left things. I mean,

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Speaker 3: as far as.

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Speaker 4: I thought, we left things pretty good.

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Speaker 3: We had actually texted that thing day later to hang

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Speaker 3: out again. She's being excited, so I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: don't know why it's been a week.

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Speaker 5: So well, then let's go backwards, because you did have

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Speaker 5: an interaction with her that sounded good.

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Speaker 6: So when how did you meet her? What was your

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Speaker 6: date like?

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Speaker 4: Well, the date was great.

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Speaker 3: Well, I met her actually at a at a work

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Speaker 3: event several years ago and we went on a date

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Speaker 3: back then. But we I guess, I know, I wasn't

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Speaker 3: really looking for anything serious at the time. I had

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Speaker 3: some family well and some work stuff going on, and

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Speaker 3: I could tell she seemed busy, but we we had

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Speaker 3: a great time, had some drinks, There was I thought,

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Speaker 3: some chemistry, and wound up just kind of hanging out

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Speaker 3: for the night and.

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Speaker 4: That was it just sort of lost touch.

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Speaker 3: But at this point, you know, I guess it's been

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Speaker 3: I guess it's been almost six years. I reached back

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Speaker 3: out just to see what she was up to and

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Speaker 3: if she wanted to meet up, and she said yes.

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Speaker 4: I thought we had a great night. We did some

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Speaker 4: bar hopping, had some food. She had to me drinks

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Speaker 4: that night, I do remember. So she wound up coming.

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Speaker 3: And staying at my place, but it was in a sense,

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Speaker 3: I mean we hung out, there was some cuddling, some

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Speaker 3: kisses whatever. Thought she left in the morning, you know,

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Speaker 3: I had some coffee and I thought we were going

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Speaker 3: to do this again, and then I just did not

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Speaker 3: hear back from her.

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Speaker 4: And I'm so confused.

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Speaker 6: So did she say that she wanted to do it again?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I mean in the last text we were.

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Speaker 3: She was it was like she was just waiting for

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Speaker 3: me to reach out and kind of plan something. And

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Speaker 3: then when I reached right out, I just never heard anything.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything you can think of? There would be

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Speaker 2: a reason to get ghosted.

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Speaker 3: I've racked my brain, like I saw the I guess

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Speaker 3: I had so my ex girlfriend, which has been months

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Speaker 4: I know she had left some stuff in the apartment.

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Speaker 4: I got rid of a lot of it, but I

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Speaker 4: did I noticed a couple of days ago there's like

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Speaker 4: a pretty yodor stick was still like in that side

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Speaker 4: drawer that I usually keep open. So like maybe she

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Speaker 4: saw that and thought something was going on. But I'm

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Speaker 4: kind of grasping a straws. I mean, I just I

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Speaker 4: don't know.

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Speaker 5: I've seen shampoo in the shower before that was a

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Speaker 5: woman's and I was like, I don't know about all

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Speaker 5: this really.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, didn't make me feel good. Yeah, that could be

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Speaker 6: a reason.

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Speaker 1: I get.

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Speaker 4: I get that. It's just she could have asked.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, we'll see if we can figure it

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Speaker 2: out for you. Then we'll play a song come back,

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Speaker 2: and then call her and see if she tells us

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Speaker 2: why she's ghosting you and get you maybe get you

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Speaker 2: another date. Okay, cool, thank you, all right, we'll play

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Speaker 2: a song, come back, and get your first day follow

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Speaker 2: up next. Right in the middle of your first day

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Speaker 2: follow up, if you're just joining us, Caleb is on

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Speaker 2: the phone and he's getting ghosted by McKenna. So in

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Speaker 2: a second, we're gonna call her and see if she

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Speaker 2: tell us why she's ghosting him and maybe get him

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Speaker 2: another date. But first, Caleb, why don't you refresh our

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Speaker 2: memory on her date with McKenna.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So McKenna and I had a great date. This was

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Speaker 3: the second time I reached out of here years ago.

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Speaker 3: Timing wasn't right, but yeah, I thought we really hit

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Speaker 3: it off on this last this last date, and she

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Speaker 3: wound up coming to stay in the night. Everything seemed cool.

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Speaker 3: We have plans to move forward. And then it's been a.

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Speaker 4: Week now and I cannot get in touch with her.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I I my ex girlfriend and had lest some stuff

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Speaker 3: at the house when deodorant something Maybe maybe that had

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Speaker 4: She saw that and got some ideas.

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Speaker 3: But I'm racking my brain just trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: because we had a great time.

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Speaker 4: Chemistry was there her?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for us to call her?

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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. Hello, Hi, man, speak to McKenna.

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Speaker 6: Please.

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Speaker 7: This is McKenna.

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Speaker 2: McKenna, how are you. This is Jubel I'm calling from

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Speaker 2: a radio show. It's called The Jubil Show.

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Speaker 6: Him McKenna. I'm Nina also on the show. Hi, I'm Victoria.

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 6: How are you.

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Speaker 7: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever listened to the show before?

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Speaker 1: I yes, I've listened to it, so I'm just curious.

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Speaker 7: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we do a segment called the First Day

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Speaker 2: follow Up. That's where you go out with somebody on

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Speaker 2: a date and you ghost him. They can email us

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Speaker 2: to get you on the phone and ask you why

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Speaker 2: you're ghosting them. Oh yeah, do you have any idea

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Speaker 2: who would ask us to call you?

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Speaker 4: I have some.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts, but I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: His name is Caleb.

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Speaker 6: Was that your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Caleb emailed us told us about your date, and

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Speaker 2: they said he had a great time and he's wondering

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Speaker 2: why you're not calling him back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we did have a great time, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I had liked him before when we met at a

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Speaker 1: work party years before, and so I was excited to

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Speaker 1: hear from him.

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Speaker 7: And we went to.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of bars and I had a little too

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Speaker 1: much to drink, and he was really kind enough. It

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Speaker 1: took care of me and I had a great time,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you want to kind of follow up

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Speaker 1: what people have done up too, and so it just

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Speaker 1: happened to have seen his ig like the night before

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Speaker 1: we out, and then afterwards, I just wanted to see

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Speaker 1: if there was anything on there, and I noticed that

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Speaker 1: he had followed a bunch of people, and so when

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Speaker 1: I looked to see it, he randomly followed like ten

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Speaker 1: bikini models. And I showed it to my girlfriend and

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Speaker 1: she said, it's like a red flag. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: just really not about that vibe. If that's what he wants,

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Speaker 1: then that's fine. I don't need to, you know, get

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Speaker 4: Wait are you are you stalking me?

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Speaker 2: That's Caleb. Caleb is actually on the phone listening and

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Speaker 2: let's talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you're on my Instagram looking at who I'm following.

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Speaker 4: What is that about?

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in six years and pop into

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Speaker 1: my DM and of course I'm going to look at

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Speaker 1: your IG.

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Speaker 4: It's normal, and well so following people on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand a bikini all bikini models like you

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Speaker 1: know that. After you spent time with me and we

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Speaker 1: had a good time, and your go to is to

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Speaker 1: go follow bikini models.

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Speaker 3: No, all that is is eye candy. It doesn't even

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Speaker 3: mean anything. It's just, yeah, it's what guys do.

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Speaker 4: Oh my guy.

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Speaker 1: After spending time with me? Yes, you're You're correct, a

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Speaker 1: typical guy. So that's what I don't want is a

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Speaker 1: typical guy who's gonna follow bikini models after spending time

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Speaker 1: with me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well I probably don't need somebody policing what I

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Speaker 4: I thought we had a great time together.

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Speaker 7: It happened relatively.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were adorable, and then I just noticed

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Speaker 1: and it was it's what people do, and you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen each other for six years, is to see.

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Speaker 7: And you're the one that DM me on your accountcil

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Speaker 7: of course I'm going to look at your ID.

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Speaker 6: Where are you following the models?

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Speaker 3: Well? In mind, After our date, I went hung out

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Speaker 3: with my buddies and Nick was there. I told you

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Speaker 3: about Nick. We were all watching some of the old

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Speaker 3: older Olympic like videos and stuff, and that got us

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Speaker 3: looking on Instagram and one of my friends grabbed my

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize I was following them anyway, but if.

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Speaker 3: I followed them, that shouldn't be a problem.

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Speaker 4: It's just what guys.

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Speaker 1: Do you Your guy friend followed fifteen bikini models all

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean he added some and then we were

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Speaker 3: going through I added some. It didn't it was just stupid.

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Speaker 3: We were just looking at girls. I was honestly so

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Speaker 4: That's how it all started.

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Speaker 3: As I was talking about you, and I showed them

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Speaker 3: a photo and that's where they followed that.

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Speaker 5: McKenna, What is it about these bikini models that's making

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Speaker 5: you so upset?

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's true, Like I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just it was literally after our date time, and like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's the timing of it. And so then it just

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Speaker 1: seems like he's not serious. I'm looking for someone serious.

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Speaker 1: If he wants eye candy, go get the eye candy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I believe, like I'm a beautiful woman and

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Speaker 1: I deserve someone whose attention is on and not on

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Speaker 1: bikini models that he may never ever meet.

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Speaker 6: She wants to be your eye candy, Caleb.

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Speaker 4: McKenna, you are my eye candy.

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Speaker 3: These girls on Instagram it's all fake anyway, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: add up to anything.

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Speaker 4: It's a pipe dream. You're the real deal.

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Speaker 1: That It doesn't make firstreak to do that immediately after

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Speaker 1: our date, Like, why would you do that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we had a great time. It just ruined my perception

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Speaker 1: of you. If that is what is more important to you?

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Speaker 1: Is this eye candy girls? Like there it was and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't just one. It was like, it's

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Speaker 1: not like a million to the fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Well you, I mean, yeah, I followed.

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Speaker 3: I followed some girls, but you followed Chris Hemsworth like

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Speaker 6: Well, how do you know that?

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Speaker 7: So you looked at my account?

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying after you're crap about looking

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Speaker 1: at your account?

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Speaker 4: So you brought itself. It didn't actually bother.

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Speaker 1: Me, but you're throwing it back in my face something

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Speaker 1: that you said that was wrong for me to do.

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Speaker 7: You were throwing it back in my face.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of cute, guys, you're stalking each other. It's

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Speaker 2: like you guys have been together for a while. McKenna,

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Speaker 2: would you like another day with Caleb? Will pay for it?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 7: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if that's his go to right after a date, like, I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't need to be worrying about if

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Speaker 1: he's looking at other girls.

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Speaker 7: That's what I don't want to be worrying about.

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Speaker 1: And if that's his immediate reaction after our first date.

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Speaker 7: Then I I don't want that kind of energy.

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Speaker 6: So he made you feel insecure right away?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm pretty secure, But if

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Speaker 1: that's that's what your go to is after our date, like,

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Speaker 1: that's not the energy that I want. I, for one.

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Speaker 3: Don't need my social interactions micromanaged. And it does sound

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Speaker 3: like an insecurity issue to me, which shouldn't exist, but

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Speaker 3: that's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 7: Well, good luck to you with those bikini models girls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah mckennaugh, thank you, and good luck with Chris Hensworth.

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Speaker 6: I really think you.

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Speaker 5: Guys should go on another day

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Speaker 6: You will's first date