1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to a new episode of 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Couch Talks. If you are new and you don't know 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: what couch Talks is, it is the bonus episode of 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: You Need Therapy that we put out every Wednesday, where 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: I answer questions that you guys send into me. And 6 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: if you have any questions that you want me to answer, 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: go ahead and shoot them to me at my email 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: address that is Catherine K. A t h r y 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: N at You Need Therapy podcast dot com. I try 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: to answer them as fast as possible, and with that, 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: I want to remind all of you the podcast is 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: not therapy. I know it's confusing, but the podcast is 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: to help break the stigma of therapy and help get 14 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: you thinking and help normalize therapy. But this me talking 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: to you through whatever device you're listening to this on. 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: That's not therapy. Therapy is a relational thing where there's 17 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: back and forth. This is more psycho education. Also, a 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: therapist isn't going to straightforward just answer questions and give advice. 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: I still try not to do that here, but I 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: do a little bit more than I would with the 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: actual clients. So just want to throw that out there. Also, 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: follow me at at cat dot the Fought Up and 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: at You Need Therapy podcast on Instagram, and if you 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: are not a part of it, I would love you 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 1: guys to sign up for our Self Love Club, which 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: is a newsletter that goes out every Monday with a 27 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: little happy note from me. I don't know if I 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: should say happy. It's an honest note from me that 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: doesn't get shared anywhere else. I don't post it to Instagram, 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: So you have to sign up for the newsletter to 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: get that. You can sign up for that by going 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: to you Need Therapy podcast dot com and you can 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: sign up at the bottom or pop up will show 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: up pretty soon and you can just sign up there. 35 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the questions. So you guys 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: know these are all non this so I know who 37 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: they're from, you guys, I'm not going to share who 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: they're from, just to keep it safe. The first question 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: was really straightforward that I got, and I think it 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: is important to talk about and I have a lot 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: of feelings about it. The question is what is the 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: difference between a coach and a therapist. That's a good one. 43 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: They're very different. They're very, very very very very different, 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: and I want you to hear that. So it also 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: depends on the type of coach that you're seeing. Um, 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: there are executive coaches, there's business coaches, there's life coaches, 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: there's health coaches, and then there's therapists who specialize in 48 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: different things. So a therapist, a licensed therapist, has to 49 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: go to school, has to go to a school that 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: is accredited, has to have an internship, has to have 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: a practicum, has to study trauma, has to study family systems, 52 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: has to study theories, go through a lot of practice 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: and training, real in life training. Even after we graduate, 54 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: we have to get a certain amount of hours depending 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: on what your licensure is. UM to get between fifteen 56 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: hundred and three thousand provised hours of work. We have 57 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: to pass three to four tests depending on your licensure. 58 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: Tests that cost a ship ton of money. I will say, 59 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: we has a lot of tests. It's a very regulated 60 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: thing and they do that to keep it safe, to 61 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: make sure that, UM, we know what we're doing, and 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: it's not super easy to become a therapist. I also 63 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: will say in my program that I went to, just 64 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: because you passed the classes doesn't mean that they're going 65 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: to graduate you with the degree. In order to become 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: a therapist, you also have to have I don't even 67 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: know what to call it, but if they didn't think 68 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: you were fit to be a therapist, they wouldn't give 69 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: you the degree. Um And I think that's really awesome 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: because it helps weed away I mean, we can't weed 71 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: everything away, but it helps weed away people who just 72 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: aren't in a space of health to be therapists at 73 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: that moment. I say that to say therapists are highly 74 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: trained people doesn't mean all therapists are created equal, but 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: they are highly trained, supervised all of the things. If 76 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: therapist is trained to help do deep work with you, 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: help you understand your psyche, help you understand your behaviors 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: and how to change it. A coach, anybody could be 79 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: a coach. Now, I want you guys to hear that 80 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: a coach is not a bad thing. There are places 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: and reasons to have coaches in the world. I have, well, 82 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: he would call him a consultant, but I have somewhat 83 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: of a business coach who helps me, you know, be 84 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: successful in my business and the things that I'm doing 85 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: in my entrepreneurship. There are life coaches that are really 86 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: helpful if they stay in their lane. A coach is 87 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: going to not be doing trauma work with you. A 88 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: coach is going to take you to a certain extent 89 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully, after they get to a certain point, refer 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: you if you need more help. I've seen a lot 91 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: of coaches operate outside of their wheelhouse, which is really scary, 92 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: and that is my hesitation with coaches. I don't want 93 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: you guys to hear this and be like Katherine doesn't 94 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: believe in coaches. I think you could be a great 95 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: life coach, a great health coach, a great whatever coach, 96 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: as long as you stay in your lane, because a 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: coach is less regulated. I'll be honest when in my 98 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 1: eating disorder, I got health coach certification. I didn't watch 99 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: one of the webinars. I took the tests, I got 100 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: on the calls, put it on mute so I didn't 101 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: have to do any of it, took the tests, I 102 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: did not learn anything. And that doesn't mean that everybody 103 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: who did that program didn't learn anything. But I'm saying 104 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: it's very easy to do the program and not learn 105 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: anything and get the certification. You also don't really need 106 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: a certification to call yourself coach. Anybody can do. That 107 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're not good at what they do, 108 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying anybody can do that. So a 109 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: coach is for a very different kind of thing. I 110 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: had Aubrey Henderson on in October. She's a life coach. 111 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: She went to Vanderbilt with me and did my program 112 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: and then just was like, I didn't get my licensure 113 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: and I decided I didn't want to do the deep 114 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: work and I wanted to stay in this lane. And 115 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I love it, and I think she does amazing work. 116 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: Her Instagram is amazing like all of that. So for 117 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: what she does, she knows when to refer somebody, and 118 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: she knows when to stop and when to start. So 119 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: I really value that and that I say that because 120 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: I want you guys to know that I don't think 121 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: all coaches are bad. I don't think coaches in general bad. 122 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: I think that it just can be sticky and they're 123 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: not regulated and I can get reported to a board 124 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: and get my license taken away. There's a lot of 125 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: things that I still have to do, continue education to 126 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: keep my licensure. I have to renew my license every 127 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: two years. I am involved in professional organizations to help 128 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: keep me accountable and all of that. And so there's 129 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: just a lot more to it. I'm rambling, But the 130 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: main things I want to take from that is anybody 131 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: can be a coach. Even though there are certifications you 132 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: don't have to have onto callers have a coach. You 133 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: can get one. Doesn't mean that you learned anything when 134 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: you got it. Also, you can have learned something. Not 135 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: everybody can be a therapist. You have to go to 136 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: a lot of training, do a lot of work, study 137 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot of things, and keep up with a lot 138 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: of things. Doesn't mean all therapists are good. So I 139 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: want you to hear that. But those are the differences. 140 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: And so depending on I don't know what made you 141 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: ask this question, but depending on what you want to 142 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: work on, that really could be an indicator of what 143 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: you seek out a coach or a therapist. Also, therapists 144 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: can be coaches in a sense. It's actually talking about 145 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: this with a friend this weekend on a walk that 146 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: she says a lot of the work she does is 147 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: coaching and not um straight up like psychotherapy. So I 148 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: think that's the bonus that you get with a therapist 149 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: is we can do the deep stuff and we don't 150 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: have to go there. We can just help you with 151 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: small changes in your life that don't seem as big. 152 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: The next question is how do I break up with 153 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: my therapist? I have been seeing her for a couple 154 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: of months, and I think she is great, but I 155 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: just don't think I'm getting anywhere. I feel bad because 156 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: I don't want her to feel bad, and also I 157 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: feel like I'm wasting my money. What should I do? 158 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: Part of me just wants to ghost her? Is this 159 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: frowned upon? I feel like I know the answer, but 160 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm still asking you. I love this question. Okay, let's 161 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: talk about this. How do I break up with my therapist? 162 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: So a couple of things come to mind. One, why 163 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: do you want to break up with her? Because sometimes 164 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: the work and the results of what you're wanting in 165 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: therapy it doesn't happen in a month. It happens in 166 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: six months or a year, and the changes that you 167 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: want to see happen as you build the relationship with 168 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: a therapist. So I'd be really intentional about like, what, 169 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: why is it not working? Do? Maybe you just don't 170 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: get along with her and you don't like her personality 171 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: or whatever, doesn't mean you to stay with her, But 172 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: I think it's important for you to find out what's 173 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: going on because that's part of your therapeutic work as well, 174 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: because a lot of the stuff is mirrorying stuff that's 175 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: going on inside of you. Yeah, ghosting is frowned up, 176 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: but not because of our feelings, not because of the 177 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: therapist feelings, but because there's so much fruitfulness that can 178 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: be gained from a very vulnerable conversation about you struggling 179 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: in the work that you guys are doing. So if 180 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: I had a client that didn't really like what we 181 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: were doing and didn't think we're getting anywhere and all 182 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: of that, a hundred percent, you don't have to keep 183 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: seeing me. But let's talk about it, because that's going 184 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: to be therapy for you to bring that up and 185 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: be uncomfortable and vulnerable and us talk about what it's 186 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: like to have a conversation where you feel like you're 187 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: going to make somebody else feel bad, and a conversation about, 188 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: oh wow, this is this place where taking care of 189 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: myself and go inviting a new therapist is competing with 190 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: taking care of your feelings and your needs and what 191 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: that brings up. And have I ever done that before 192 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: and what was the Norman my family. I mean, there's 193 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: so much fruit in a conversation like that that actually 194 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: could change the trajectory of that relationship with a therapist, 195 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: can actually like make the therapy work for you and 196 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: maybe you won't even want to leave. I actually had 197 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: an experience recently. I've had multiple clients that at first 198 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: haven't liked me and in treatment they couldn't just leave. 199 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: But had one client that like hated me and told 200 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: me and told everybody, and by the end of her 201 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: time there, because we had spent so much time processing 202 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: it and talking about what was coming up from it, 203 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean, she really connected to me and at the 204 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: end we did amazing work and I don't know where 205 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: she is now, but it ended up being something that 206 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: was so helpful in her work of having to stay 207 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: in that relationship with me and talk about the discomfort. 208 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: Also had a client who came into a session thinking 209 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: she was gonna quote unquote break up with me, and 210 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: through that conversation which changed everything. Like that conversation opened 211 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: up so many avenues and started the healing of so 212 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: many wounds from her just upbringing. And it was beautiful. 213 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: It was so uncomfortable for her, I was okay. I 214 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: want you guys to know that, like therapists can take 215 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: care of themselves, and if we do have a feeling, 216 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: it's okay because our jobs aren't to feel comfortable with you. 217 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: Our jobs are to help you, So we can put 218 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: our feelings aside to show up with you and help you. 219 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: So all on that to say it's okay to be 220 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: like this is not a fit for me. I recommend 221 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: having a conversation with your therapist about that, because ghosting 222 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: her might just be repeating behavior that you know that 223 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: hasn't helped you before. Just to leave something when like 224 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable or doesn't work fast enough or you don't 225 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: like it. So yeah, that concludes this episode of Couch Talks, 226 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: short and sweet, to the point how we like them. 227 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: On Wednesdays, um again, if you have any questions, send 228 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: them to me at Catherine at you Need Therapy podcast 229 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: dot com. Make sure you follow us. I hope you 230 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: guys have a wonderful rest of your week. I'll talk 231 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: to you guys on Monday.