1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: I never told your protection if I hear radio's house, 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: stuff works. And today I'd like to start with a 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: peek behind the curtains, because Samantha just really impressed me 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: with her knowledge of a jets and flint Stone crossovery Monk. 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: I may not know anything about SpongeBob, which we talked 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: about last week, but I can tell you the hell 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: out of Jetson's and the flint Stones. So we need 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: to do some kind of cartoon trivia because together it 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: will complete I don't think so. So. I didn't watch 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: many cartoons growing up, but the Flintstones of the Jetsons 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: had my heart, and every now and again I think 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: I would watch the Tiny Tunes. It got it got weird, 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: and I was getting older too, and I got wed weirder, 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I think I'm done now. 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: The Tiny too got weird. Well, didn't they have Pinky 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: and the Brain is part of their segment too, and 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: then they separated onto their own show. They were part 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: of that w B part of it, and it was 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: really weird, and I was like, I think I'm done now. 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: Pinky and the brain did make me nervous, right, I 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: liked it, but there's something about it where I was like, 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: these they could really take over the world. Flintstones and 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: the Jetsons. They were a part of my growing up, 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: for sure. She sang most of the song, A lot 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: of it. I was. I was impressed. Nonetheless, our guess 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: producer could have filled it out, but he didn't want to. 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: Did you Dave by me embarrassed by me doing it already? No? 29 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: I think we're all just proud, Samantha, proud to know you. 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm so glad. But that's not We're not going to 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 1: do a whole episode on that today. Um, We're actually 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: gonna talk about something that I I didn't have TV 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: for a while when I was growing up, so I 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: feel like I missed a very valuable I have a 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: cartoon a blank Space, but I do a SpongeBob because 36 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: that came later on when I was at the beach, 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: and I would actually have excellent to Nickelodeon. And I 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: think the reason I watched the flints was in the 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: jet Sins was because my grandparents, who lived a little 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: farther from my house, had more access. None of us 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: had cable again, this is like nineteen eighties something, mid 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: eighties and late eighties, and so it would just be 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: on reruns on TBS, and so I would watch it 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: in the afternoons for about an hour and then go home. Well, 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: I could not watch anything but the three channels that 46 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: we got. We had a very similar experience, but I 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: had nowhere to go anything. But my mom did like 48 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: to take me hiking, which is actually what we're talking there, 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: you go. We like to bury the We want to 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: confuse everyone right at the top. I think that's good content. Right, 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: Everybody's like, what the hell are they talking about? We're 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: talking about women in hiking. Yes, and I love hiking. 53 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: It is something that my mom and I did together 54 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: when I was growing up. Um And it's one of 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: the few things I do where I feel like I'm 56 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: able to actually right because you have to focus on 57 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: where the next step is going to be. UM. And 58 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: we still, my mom and I still go hiking together. 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: She's like really badass because she knows that like where 60 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: the hikes are that aren't in the hiking books, and 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: she has the hand drawn maps of the parking and 62 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I got her to zerox them. A couple of weeks 63 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: ago and gave him to one of my friends. He's 64 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: also a good hiker, and I really trussed him. Yeah, 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: and I lived near where while I did. I grew 66 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: up near where the Appalachian Trail starts, so it was 67 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: fun to do to like go and hang out there, 68 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: like you hike up and you hang out there, and 69 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: you to hear people at the beginning of their Appalaian 70 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: Trail journey. And there's a part in my mind that's like, 71 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what you're going to be thinking. But from now, look, 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: those people are hardcore that really just dedicate and take 73 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: time off for work. I'm just like, oh wow, good 74 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: for you. But I don't want to be in the 75 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: woods that long. Yeah, I've always wanted to do it, 76 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: but taking the time off work, it takes a lot 77 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: of planning ahead. Yeah, like the boxes, having the box 78 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: pas And I know some people, especially some people were 79 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: going to talk about in here didn't do that. But 80 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: that makes me a little nervous personally. Um, hopefully one 81 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: day I'll do it. But I do hike a lot 82 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: these days. I hike alone a lot. Um I tell 83 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: people where I'm going in case that is scary. Yeah, 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: and I almost always get the worried are you sure 85 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: you should do that? Response? And I've even overheard a 86 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: couple whisper it to each other she by herself when 87 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: I was like sitting on top of the summit and 88 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: joining the view. Um, and they're that movie that I'm 89 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: going to be very vague about forever that semi based 90 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: on my life. I can't find this movie and I 91 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: won't tell you what it is. We'll find someone who 92 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: knows there is someone. There's a scene in it that 93 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: this whole thing plays out where the character that is 94 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: me hikes up and then this couple is like, oh, 95 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: poor things, she's hiking by herself. Well it off really. 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: I think that's different from me because I go with 97 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: Peaches the dog, and so I don't get as many looks. 98 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: It seems normal, I guess because I haven't an added edition, 99 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: because I typically it's never been like a coupling thing 100 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: for me. I would be surprised if someone that I 101 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: was dating, would you actually go with me? Yeah? My 102 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: ex used to go with me, and that should have 103 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: been my sign, Like before I knew he was interested, 104 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: he'd be like, let's go and hike together, and he 105 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: hated being outside and I'm just totally oblivious, and he 106 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: did the man won't check the directions thing, and we 107 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: got lost for eleven miles. We hiked for eleven extra 108 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: miles because he used to check the direction. So my 109 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: good friend and I who talked about previously the coworker, 110 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: we did that and we thought we went the opposite 111 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: direction of everybody else. And I remember a group of 112 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: people came at us. They're like, oh, he did the 113 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: hard truck, and we would like, excuse me. And we 114 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: added additional six miles and we were starting to hallucinate 115 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: towards it end because we didn't have enough supplies. Were 116 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: like I even almost rolled off the damn mountain. Oh gosh, 117 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: a tree stop stopped me and we just we just 118 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: said that was like, yeah, we made a huge mistake. 119 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: We're really selling hiking to anyone stories though it comes 120 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: up with such great stories, is true. One of my 121 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: favorite books is Wild by Sherale Straight. Um. I have 122 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: always always always wanted to do that hike and Um 123 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: Kristen past co host and founder creator Kristen she got 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: me into that book. She used to do that like 125 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: every summer. The book, she said that one, and I 126 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: would always read the book, she announced, and it's one 127 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: of my favorites, that the one Witherspoon. Yes, okay, okay, 128 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I know a lot of people really 129 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: really loved that book, and that seems really really inspired 130 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: people to go out, women to go out and make 131 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: their own trail and take time and start really contemplating 132 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: what they want. Is that the premise. Yeah, she she 133 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: kind of gets in a really like her mom is 134 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: just died. Um, her her marriage is kind of fell apart, 135 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: she had some drug addiction problems, and so she, without 136 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: hardly any planning, does this very difficult hike because the 137 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: difference between the PCT and the Applation Trail of the 138 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: Pacific Crest Trail. On the Appalation Trail, it's just the 139 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: and this comes from someone who has not done either, 140 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: but it's just like the very big difference in weather, 141 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: Like you're starting in the desert and you're ending in snow, 142 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: and you're gone through mountains. So it's it's it's difficult 143 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: to pack for and she just did it. She would 144 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: even in the book she did a terrible job preparing 145 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: for it. But um, the opening scene is her like 146 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: losing her shoe and so dramatic because you're like, not 147 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: her shoes, that's bad anything almost anything else. Yeah, it 148 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: would have been better than our shoe down the side, 149 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: like even your pants. You might be embarrassed, you might 150 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: get some bites and scratches, but still much better your shoes. 151 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: You got like duct tape just wrapped it around her foot. Anyway, 152 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: we're really not selling it. But but you both like hikings. Yeah. 153 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: I love hiking. I will say I've been doing it 154 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: a little less this year in the last couple of years, 155 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: just because of well, first of all, Georgia's summer heat 156 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: did it's almost stifling too much to go out, and 157 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: that makes it unfortunate, but as well as the fact 158 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: that it does take some time. UM, I've gotten more 159 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: limited because and we'll talk more about this, but some 160 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: of the political stances on some of our nearby hiking 161 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: places that I refused to go to. Um. But yeah, 162 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: this was my coping mechanism. I know. We talked about 163 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: this during our little trauma series where my coworker and 164 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: I would go almost every weekend to some place, and 165 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: I think once a month we try to go to 166 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: a bigger hike, like we talked about that. She was 167 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: the one that when I almost died, plummeted to my 168 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: death day, he was the one. We would just sit 169 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: there and what was so funny about us when we 170 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: would do things like that, we would be really concerned 171 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: for each other, but because we're also social workers and 172 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: so very sarcastic, we would also make fun of each other, 173 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: which motivated each other more. We also competed to be 174 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: faster every time we would go, like to certain areas, 175 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: like we wanted to make sure we hit different strides. 176 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: If we had a part that we would go into 177 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: every week or every least often, we would that would 178 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: be a personal goal for us to beat the time 179 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: and enjoy like the top view, but then still beat 180 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: and see how fast we would go. But it was 181 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: definitely one of our times that we could get together 182 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: just talk about whatever was wrong, whether it's a personal 183 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: life or with our work life, and just kind of 184 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: diffuse our own stress levels. And it was fantastic. I 185 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: missed that obviously because it was We had some big adventures, 186 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: and one of the things we also did was we 187 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: tried to stay if we did a big hike, like 188 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: a far away hike two or three hours from here. 189 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: We would try to go to a local restaurant to eat. 190 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: So it was hilarious because the one time many times, 191 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: but this time when I was disgusting with mud caked 192 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: and we walked into a barbecue restaurant which were all 193 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: white people and me and I'm like, hey, here's the 194 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: brown girl with mud caked on me. How are you 195 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: I want food? Give me those ribs about? But yeah, 196 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: it was really really great, And I think that's one 197 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: of the things I love about having my dog is 198 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: going to do it more and more. And it's a 199 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: little more local with my dog because she loves anything 200 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: with water, so it gets the play and splash around 201 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: and I get to hiking about. But it's one of 202 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: my favorite things for sure. Yeah, yeah, I love it. 203 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: I wish I could do it more as well. Um, 204 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: So I think it's we're pretty much talking about, you know, 205 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: going to the woods trail and people know what hiking 206 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: is just the case. Yeah, but it, particularly long distance hiking, 207 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: is traditionally a white male dominated activity. Only of three 208 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: hikers on the Appleachian Trail are women. And I will 209 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: say about these numbers that are kind of hard to 210 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: nail down for sure, for I think probably pretty obvious reasons, 211 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: but from numbers that we do have, report from the 212 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: University of Wyoming found that only one out of five 213 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: U S National Park visitors were non white. If we 214 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: look at rock climbing, a survey found that only point 215 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: two percent were Black or Asian and three percent were 216 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: Latin X. Study from the Outdoor Foundation found that only 217 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: eight percent of folks participating in outdoor activities were Hispanic. 218 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: James Mills, a black outdoors person, dubbed it quote the 219 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: adventure gap, and a Sierra Club blog posts called it 220 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: the unbearable whiteness of hiking. Some people who have looked 221 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: into this think has to do with class. People who 222 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: participate in outdoor activities like hiking have a household income 223 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: of over seventy five thousand dollars. In an article over 224 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: at vox, Amanda Machado described her experience being Latin X 225 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: and being into hiking and wrestling with some stereotypes that 226 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: come along with that quote. Whenever I tell my parents 227 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: about a backpacking trip in the wilderness, my parents joked 228 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: about the irony. As immigrants, they had worked all their 229 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: lives to ensure I had a roof under my head 230 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: and present a full clothes to wear. And now I 231 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: was intentionally choosing to sleep outside wearing clothes covered in dirt. 232 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: With the stereotypes that we endure Already, many Latin X 233 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: I knew felt the need to prove that they lived comfortably. 234 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: I knew Latina women who manicured their hands specifically to 235 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: give others the impression that they never had to work outside. 236 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: And I knew Latin X fan lase who hesitated the 237 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: book hostels or camp when they traveled because they feared 238 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: and implied they couldn't afford a quote real place to stay. 239 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: To be a lady meant to treat myself delicately, and 240 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: to be a gentleman meant to honor a woman's fragility. 241 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: I was never expected to carry much or do anything 242 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: remotely dangerous without a man's protection or assistance. Nothing about 243 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: me looking at thirty pound pack across the mountains aligned 244 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: with those ideals. Yeah. So in one article I found 245 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: in the Washington Post, they highlighted on Audrey Pierman, an 246 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: African American environmental leader who with her husband wrote a 247 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: piece called a Legacy of Land. While exploring across the 248 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: US and have been creating working to create awareness for 249 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: diversity in the outdoor community. Is kind of one of 250 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: the things that they've been trying to do to highlight 251 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: the black community being outdoors and actually um changing the 252 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: ideas of it being just a fairy tale for black people, 253 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: as she said. And there's been a bit of a 254 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: rise for youth of colors since the Every Kid in 255 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: the Park program created by the Obodom administration, as well 256 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: as programs created like Hikers of Color Black people hike 257 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: in our own Atlanta's own we Height the Hill, And 258 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: of course the deep racist history of some of the 259 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: parts could also be a deterrent for many visitors. I mean, 260 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: I said that about my own um Stone Mountain is 261 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: a big place of controversy because of the Confederate memorial 262 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: essentially has and of course the controversy throughout the US 263 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: with these similar types of memorials or naming of the parks, 264 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: which is I would be deterred from going from there, 265 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: as well as the fact that many of these historical 266 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: places have bad connotations to slavery history as well as 267 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: like lynchings, and so I could see that as being 268 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: problematic and not wanting to go visit those types of parks. 269 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: Um And also, as you had said, there's privilege attached 270 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: to this with being able to actually take time off, 271 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: get transportation, and especially when most of the majority of 272 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: these parks are not easily accessible, so you don't necessarily 273 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: have public transit to get to some of these nice 274 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: little mountains, especially when you're talking about that a T 275 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: trail or the PCT trail. You can't just get there, 276 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: and you can't just take time off, and you can't 277 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: just babysitters. So it's definitely a thing of privilege for sure. 278 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: And um, I was pleasantly surprised how many people are 279 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: talking about this, because sometimes you're like, I love hiking. 280 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: Who knows how many people are right like research papers 281 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: about it. But there's a lot out there, um over 282 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: on codes which people of color discuss feeling culturally out 283 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: of place when outdoors. A lot of the wilderness in America, 284 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: a lot of parks are located in majority white areas, 285 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: and I think this could even go back to the 286 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: terrible phenomena of white people calling a police on black people, 287 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: and they can't be the regular parks to cook out, 288 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: so can you be in the mountains right? Um, so 289 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot. There's a lot going on here. I 290 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: will say, like, this is not true necessarily in other countries. 291 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure it is, but not in all um the 292 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: whiteness of hiking. When I hiked the Andies in Peru, 293 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: I saw so many indigenous people kicking my ast all ages, 294 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: all gender is and caring way more while doing it. 295 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're just kind of running by me. When 296 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: I was researching and I specifically put you know, Asian 297 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: women of Asian women hiking, and it just it was 298 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: just photos. It was just stock images and the actual 299 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: statistics it talks about a little bit that Asian it 300 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: is on the rise from the Asian and women and 301 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: people of color, but everything else is just like stock images. 302 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: Like I could not find one just article. It was 303 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: just pictures of an Asian woman climbing or hiking, and 304 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: I was like, that's super weird. Was she having the 305 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: time of her life? I'm sure she was, and where 306 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: someone was carrying her? Maybe? I don't know. I didn't 307 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: actually look at it. I was just like, why why 308 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: is this the only result that I can find stock 309 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: photos is a fascinating world. I tell you an organization 310 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: at Brown University called BOLTS or Brown Outdoor Leadership Training 311 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: focus on They focus on making the outdoors more inclusive 312 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: and they recently released a guide called Identity, Privilege and 313 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: Oppression in the Outdoors quote the way we experience the 314 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: outdoors is inherently political. They used this quote from Karen 315 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: Warren and the whole thing to um the collective memory 316 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: of past experiences of legally mandated segregation, the flight from 317 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: rural to urban areas due to forced labor outdoors and 318 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: racially motivated violence that most typically occurred in remote areas 319 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: continues to play a role deciding how people of color 320 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: spend time in nature. When it comes to safety, there 321 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: is a perception that it isn't safe for women to 322 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: be hiking alone, a perception held by forty six percent 323 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: of men and of women according to one study. And 324 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Bridget and I talked about this headline in the Past 325 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: episode a couple of years ago about these women that 326 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: were hiking alone and they were murdered. Um, there were 327 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: two of them, right, but you know you need a 328 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: man to make you a group for a group of women. 329 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: Were they the ones that had the dog too, I think, 330 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: so yeah. And then on top of that they had 331 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: dogs and none of this really for me, I would 332 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: have been like, no, that were definitely me. I definitely. 333 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: The only time I was, like I said, I really 334 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: hike was with a friend who was female or with 335 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: my dog. So I'm like, well, I should be really 336 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: dead according to this perception. For this perception, yeah, me 337 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: two friends. UM. From the data we do have, though, 338 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: your risk of violent crime is lower on a national 339 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: park for both men and women than the country as 340 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: a whole, which is actually, I think, sort of sad. 341 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about that, but anyways, 342 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: I know I'm very confused about what's going on in 343 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: my feelings. But I know that story broke last year 344 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: about how women who are National park employees experienced sexual 345 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: harassment and assault. UM. But women are statistically more likely 346 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: to survive an injury or accident in the American wilderness. UM. 347 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: From a researcher looking into this quote. Culturally, females tend 348 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: not to do as many of the idiotic things that 349 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: solo males do. Males are more likely to try to 350 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: pick up a rattlesnake. This was a quote in a 351 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: research paper. Friends, I don't know. I don't know why. 352 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: I just saw a toddler playing with you know, snaks 353 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: and such. But keep going. I I've only I've hiked 354 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: a lot, and I've hiked a lot alone. And I 355 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: feel like I've only ever had one experience that I 356 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: felt unsafe. There's certainly been times where I thought, oh no, 357 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I might be lost, and that's kind of scary. But 358 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, you got your compass, your map or whatever, 359 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm fine. But what time I saw a 360 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: dude who was just standing shirtless in the woods and 361 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: not moving, and he had his leg propped up like 362 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: a flamingo would, and he had a cigar and he 363 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: didn't acknowledge me when I walked by, and I had 364 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: a moment of fear. But that's it and that wonderment 365 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: was it both both? It was was he doing the 366 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: little pirate stand? He he also had a monocle. I 367 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna say because it sounds like amazing. It was 368 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: in the middle of it was one of those trails 369 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: that so few people hike that it's not well kept. 370 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: And for I remember I had an incident where we 371 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: were hiped ing um I think it was towards Bartow County, 372 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: one of the smaller trails, and we heard something grunt 373 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: at us, and we were pretty sure it was a 374 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: wild hog row war, so we ran because you know 375 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: those things are mean, they do not care and will 376 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: rip into you. That we were petrified. I think that's 377 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: the fastest time we ever made. I think I'll also 378 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: fail trying to get well. And then my plan has 379 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: always been always tell my friends that it was between 380 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: me and you. I'm gonna trip you. I'm gonna run 381 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: front about it. I'm gonna hey. I told my look, 382 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: I know I can't win just by my own strength, 383 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna throw something at you. You've gotta you 384 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: gotta know the dynamic. You've gotta know in a survival situation, 385 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: who's gonna do what And everybody's like and no one 386 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: goes hikes with you. That's true if you if you 387 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: balance it out, I think it's fine. There was a 388 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: time where I can't remember, a friend and I were 389 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: hiking and at the time there was this guy who 390 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: was going around killing women in the woods. And it 391 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: was in Dawsonville. It was near where I lived. It 392 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: was it was on a famous trail if I remember, yeah, 393 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: and we we're going to a trail and there was 394 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: a tree over the road and we were like talking 395 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: about what to do about it. My friend kind of 396 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: semi opened the door and a dude jumped out, but 397 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: then we just backed up and left. And I don't 398 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 1: know when I tell people that story, they think we 399 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: were about to be murdered. I'm not so sure. Anyway, 400 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 1: there are some famous female hikers and mountaineers that we 401 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: wanted to to talk about. But first we're gonna pause 402 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: for a quick break for word from our sponsor, and 403 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: we're back, Thank you, sponsor. So one of the most 404 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: famous female hikers that we wanted to highlight is Emma 405 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: Rowena Gatewood or Grandma Gatewood. Grandma Gatewood, which is a 406 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: rad name. I know there's a book about her my 407 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: mom loves. I think it's probably been Montgomery's Grandma Gatewood's Walk, 408 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: The Inspiring Story of the Woman who saved at the 409 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: Applican Trail. I didn't get a chest confirmed with my mom, 410 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: but I believe that's probably it. Her story is an 411 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: amazing one. She was born in one of fifteen children, 412 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: and she married at nineteen and she was a survivor 413 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: of domestic violence. On one occasion, he broke her teeth 414 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: and cracked her ribs, and when the police arrived, they 415 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: arrested her, not him, right, and she spent the night 416 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: in jail. The mayor stepped in when he saw her 417 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: black eyes and bloody face, and she was able to 418 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: get a divorce, which was really rare and difficult to 419 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: get in those days, since she threw a flower at him, 420 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: I think I think it was like a sack of 421 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: flower or just some flower at him, and they arrested her. Absurd. 422 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: She frequently would go outdoors to to get away from 423 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: from it all, like like Samantha and I talked about. 424 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: She had eleven children and twenty three grandchildren. Oh no, 425 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: that's too much. That's a lot. That is a lot. 426 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: According to one of her daughters, When Emma saw a 427 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: National Geographic article about the Applachian Trail, it included the 428 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: fact that no women had completed it. Grandma Gatewood saw 429 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: that as a challenge, and she gave me an attempt, 430 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: but broke her glasses pretty early on and had to stop. 431 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: But she was not done. In the age of sixty seven, 432 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: divorced for thirty years, Grandma Gatewood became the first woman 433 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: to solo hike the Appolicchian Trail. Yes two thousand, one 434 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: nine miles or two thousand, seventy four point four kilometers 435 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: one six days in kids. Kids are promoting keel. They 436 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: are not a sponsor. I do have some kids fun 437 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: of me. Oh, I would never. All she brought with 438 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: her was a blanket and a plastic shower curtain. For 439 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: the raging, that's amazing. For everything else, she counted on 440 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: the kindness of strangers and her own resourcefulness. When asked 441 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: about the experience by Sports Illustrated, she said quote, I 442 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: would never have started this trip if I had known 443 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: out duff it was. But I couldn't and I wouldn't quit. 444 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: The following year, she kept on trailblazing, becoming the first 445 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: person to throw hike the Appalachian Trail twice. She did 446 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: the second time for fun, she says nice. She ended 447 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: up doing it a third time in sections, making it 448 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: the first person to do it for three times. The 449 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: media attention she drew is credited in part with prompting 450 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: restoration of the trail for saving the Appalachian Trail um. 451 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: When asked why she did it, She responded, because I 452 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: wanted to. I did too. Why not because I wanted to? 453 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: Because I wanted to? And that's not all. She also 454 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: hiked from Independence, Missouri to Portland, Oregon, a nine day, 455 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: two thousand mile or three thousand, two hundred eighteen point 456 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: six kilometers. She's a part of pioneering the Ohio Buckeye Trail, 457 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: and a chunk of it is named for Grandma Gatewood 458 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: Grandma Gatewood Trail in ninetee. She died at the age 459 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: of eighty five, and her obituary came with this quote, 460 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: if those men can do it, I can do it. 461 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: I love her. I love how she's like concise, She's 462 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: just like, it's not about you, It's about me. I 463 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: just want to do it. Jennifer far Davis tackled the 464 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: Appelage and trail as well, and she knelt it, completing 465 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: it in the fastest time on record fifty seven days 466 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: and eight hours, and four years later another woman wrote 467 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: that record. David's hyped the Pacific Crest Trail to she 468 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: summited Mount Coon and Jaro. She set the record on 469 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: the women's for months long trail. She wrote books, she 470 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: backpacked one miles while pregnant, and she found it and 471 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: runs Blue Ridge Hiking Company pregnant. Yeah. Girl, every time 472 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: I see someone running pregnant, I feel right like everything 473 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: about that looks painful, and I'm like, yeah, you do it, 474 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: you keep wow. I am in awe of it. Blue 475 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: Rage Hiking is where I do a lot of my hikings, 476 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: so maybe check that out. Yeah. One of the first 477 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: female mountaineers was Ruth dire Mente Hall. In the nineteen thirties, 478 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: Mente Hall, a mother of two, made history when she 479 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: climbed at the Sierra Nevadas in California. This was a 480 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: time when physical activities like this were viewed as squarely 481 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: not for women, bad for you. She and her husband 482 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: pioneer trails in the Taitons, the Cascades, and the Alps. 483 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: They get the credit for the first to summit Mount 484 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: Confederation in and Gil Peak in ninety two. She also 485 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: wrote multiple books, including some introductory level mountaineering books. Another 486 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: famous female mountaineer is Arlene Blum. She led the first 487 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: all female American team to summit the difficult Napernal One. 488 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: She did the same from Mount McKinley and attended to 489 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: do Everest as well. Blum started climbing early, and despite 490 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: early failures, she kept at it. She went on to 491 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: become a proponent for environmental protection and published two award 492 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: winning books about her climbing experiences and shout out to 493 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: Neiva Warren, the youngest person to solo through hike the 494 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: Applation Trail at fourteen day. Again, that makes me feel 495 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: bad about myself. You know, we all have different paths 496 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: in line. Well, because I'm like, yeah, no, I'm never 497 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: doing that. I can't imagine my parents going for that. 498 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: She did it, Yeah, she did by She did it 499 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: by herself. Huh, Yeah, that's concerning. Well, she is fine. 500 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm always the youth. They give me. They give me hope, 501 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: and we do have some other stuff that gives me 502 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: a little bit of hope. But first we have one 503 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: more quick break for word from our sponsor. We're back, 504 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. So, like we mentioned at the top, 505 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: there are a lot of hiking groups out there that 506 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: are especially focused on helping to get more people of 507 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: color feel comfortable hiking or involved in it. UM we 508 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: Hike to Heal, which is the one we we interviewed 509 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: them on this very show. UM it's run by two 510 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: black married women, Latino Outdoors, the Fresh Air Fund, Beta 511 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: Verda Outdoor, Afro Brown people Camping, h e a T 512 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: Hikers of color. Some of these are Facebook groups or 513 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: Instagram groups. Some of them are like website organization type things, 514 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: but I would highly suggest if you're interested to go 515 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: go check any of them out. Um more women and 516 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: people of color being vocal about their hiking, like the Renovator, 517 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: who we've spoken about before, and that's really important. I 518 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: know that from the articles I was reading, people said 519 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: like seeing someone on Instagram who looks like them doing 520 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: it made them feel like, oh, I can do that too. 521 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: She's in such a good shape. The National Park Service 522 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: created the Office of Relevancy, Diversity and Inclusion, and this 523 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: year Clubs similarly hired their first director of Diversity, Equity 524 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: and Inclusion and likely their first African American president, which 525 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: is awesome and just the kind of to put it 526 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: out there. Doctors are now starting to prescribe it even 527 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: as ecotherapy for people to come out and do some 528 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 1: not only meditation, but hiking and like being able to 529 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: get outside of themselves away from the electronics. As well 530 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: as the fact that the people. There's been a study 531 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: being used for a d h D, treatment of a 532 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: d h D or at least an assistance and as 533 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: a therapy for a d h D, which is fantastic 534 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: And and obviously again we talked about how it does 535 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: reduce stress and for females in general and just film 536 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: identifying people, it can be hopefully just something that you 537 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: don't have to think about anything but concentrating on yourself 538 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: and your connection to the world. Yeah. Um, I know 539 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: for me personally, I when I started, and I some 540 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: of those things we've talked about, like being thankful for 541 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: your body and where it can take you, because I 542 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: am very fortunate that I am in a position that 543 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: I can do this, um. And I I when I 544 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: was in high school, I struggled so hard with depression. 545 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: I would just sleep all the time. And for me personally, 546 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: like taking that step and banking myself, get outside and 547 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: do something. Um it. It really did have a market 548 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: effect on my outlook and my energy level. And again 549 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: it's different for other people, but for me it did. 550 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: And again we do acknowledge that all of this has 551 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: a lot of privilege to this again and like it 552 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: for people who are able body to do so and 553 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: the access to it. It wasn't money to it, because 554 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: sometimes I can get somewhat expensive viously, just for like 555 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: paying for a pass going into Stone Mountain, which I'm 556 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: not advocating because again I don't go there necessarily, but 557 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: it costs a lot of money. Yeah, And I was reading, 558 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: I've never been someone I could just hike in my 559 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: my old tennis shoes. And but if you actually get 560 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: like the gear, the hiking shoes and the packs and 561 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: the food, and that's a lot. The boots and the yeah, 562 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: the backpack. None of this is cheap. There's no cheap 563 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: versions of day. And if you get the wrong thing, 564 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: it really messes you up. That's true. Like if you 565 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: get shoes right, but aren't that aren't good for you? 566 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: You could actually that if you're going to the Appalachian 567 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: Trail and you don't have the right boots, you're really 568 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: going to be messed up. Or if you're you know 569 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: what's her name and not have shoes at all, But 570 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it can really really mess you up. I 571 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: remember I went on a trip with a group of 572 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: people and poor girl she was very very new um 573 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: brand new hiking boots and she tried to wear them 574 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: on our two day hike and camp trip. She was 575 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: in so much pain. She was in so we had 576 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: to figure out how to get her back down. Essentially, Yeah, 577 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: it was bad. Yeah, Yeah, I've made that mistake. Yeah, learn, 578 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: you learn, You're like great, right, No, that's not at 579 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: least a two week breaking in period where you're wearing 580 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: them all the time. Rights Obviously, again very privileged talk 581 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: and we understand that. Yeah, um it is. And I 582 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: am just such a I love being outdoors, and um, 583 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: I want I want more people who want to do that, 584 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable doing that, to have the access to 585 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: do that. Right, So I hope that uh, we're it 586 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: does seem that we were moving in that direction, um, 587 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: and I would we would love to hear from listeners 588 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: your experience in this, If you have any book recommendations, 589 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: if you're a part of a group that goes out 590 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: that we would love to hear about. Let us know, Yes, absolutely, 591 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: And you can do that by emailing us at Stuff Media, 592 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at I heart media dot com. You can 593 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: also find us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast and 594 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: on Instagram at Stuff I've Never told You. Thanks. It's 595 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: always to our super producer Andrew Howard and guest producer 596 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: d J Dave. Wait, do we call him d J Dave? 597 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: You did so, I picked up you did. We have 598 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: audio record of it. Really well, now you are I 599 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 1: gave you that. I think that's a good nick game. 600 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: I think you should just happen to take that one. 601 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: Um and thanks as always to you for listening stuff. 602 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: I've never told you the protection of I Heart Radios 603 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: how stuff works. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, 604 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: visit iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 605 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.