1 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: The Philly Show is presented by Fox One. Rubin Tomorrow, Junior, 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Jim Salisbury, Todd Zelek. It's The Philly Show. It's Wednesday, 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: October twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. Game five of the 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: World Series is Wednesday night. Dodgers Blue Jays tied to 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: too some fun ballgames. Let's talk a little World Series. 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna do a little Phillies off season primer and 7 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: a little bit, but we got to talk about this 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: World Series. It's time for the Park's First Pitch. First 9 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: Pitch is brought to us exclusively by our partners at 10 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Parks Casino, Pennsylvania's number one casino. I asked you guys 11 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: the other day or today and yesterday, did you guys 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: stay up and watch the eighteen eight for I gotta 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: be honest. I fell asleep a little early. I missed 14 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: the end of it. But you guys almost stayed up. 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: One of you stayed up until the very end. One 16 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: of you almost made it to the very end. 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: I'm a little older than Jim, I think, so I 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: couldn't quite make it. I was dozing in and out. 19 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: I think I missed the very last in just before 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 3: maybe an inning or so before Freddie Freeman went. 21 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: Yah yah to end that game, which is amazing. 22 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: He continues to, I mean he had some opportunities earlier too, 23 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: because they were walking o Tani and Otani had what 24 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: nine straight times on base or whatever that number. 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: Was, and I mean, it was just it really was amazing. 26 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: It is a little bit of a uh, I don't know, 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: indictment on people being able to make contact and just 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: putting the ball in play. 29 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: Because it looked like every single player was trying to 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: hit a home run to end the game. 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: And that's why it took eighteen innings or whatever the 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: hell it was to get it done. 33 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: It was the same thing, the same thing in that 34 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: twenty eighteen game Dodgers Red Sox at Dodgers Stadium, eighteen 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: innings when Evaldi was great. He pitched a whole bunch 36 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: of innings, and it just they kept rolling over the 37 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 4: innings because everybody was swinging from their shoes trying to 38 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: end it. And then finally it ended. But I actually went, 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: I went the distance. I stayed up for that whole game, 40 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: which is surprising, and it was a riveting game. And 41 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 4: now when it gets into extra innings and it just 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 4: starts rolling. You can't give up on it, you know. 43 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 4: It's like, I can't leave now. All the party's just 44 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 4: getting started. And at ten past one, ten past one am, 45 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 4: Tommy Edmunds it's the thirteenth inning. Edmunds hits that ball 46 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: to right center for a double, and as they're showing 47 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 4: the replay the ball's coming toward the batter, my cable 48 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: goes out apparently, so it just shut down. I'm like, 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: I'm like going crazy. I don't want to wake up, 50 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 4: you know, my wife and I don't know what to do. 51 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: So I checked another TV. It's out, And finally I 52 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 4: just had to listen to the remainder of the game, 53 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 4: the final five innings or six innings maybe on four 54 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: innings five on radio. I had found it on the 55 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 4: ESPN app and I had to listen to the rest 56 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 4: of the game already. 57 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 5: I was so mad. 58 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: And then when I told my wife about it, the 59 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 4: cable came back in the morning and I told my 60 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 4: wife about it. She said she thinks she got to 61 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 4: notice that they were taking it down for regular maintenance, Like, 62 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 4: who the hell does that in game you know, four 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 4: of the World Series or whatever. 64 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 3: Oh, it was so there was a time that would 65 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: ever have happened. You know, if it was the it 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: was the super Bowl or one of the playoff games 67 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: with the. 68 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, it'd be different. They would never do it, right. 69 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I mean they probably ten past one in 70 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: the morning. Everything's over except the infomercials, right. So, but 71 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: it was a fantastic game. 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 5: And then game what Game four? Fantastic game as well. 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: Those Blue Jays are tough, man, They're tough the battle 74 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 4: and they came back on weary legs and took out 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: Otani and got into that bullpen and the Dodgers didn't 76 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 4: hit it. 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 5: It's been a hell of a series and really enjoying it. 78 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: He talked about the Phillies had some resilience during the 79 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: course of the last several years, bouncing back after having 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: some tough games at sometimes obviously not as much in the. 81 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: Playoffs, but uh, you know, you take. 82 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: A look at what this Toronto Blue Jays team does. 83 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: It's got a really interesting mix of veteran guys and 84 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: some superstars, and like Laddie, not a ton of them, 85 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,119 Speaker 3: but they have some a mix of veterans and young players. 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: I love this Clement kid man. 87 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 5: Oh dou Yeah. 88 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah about this kid that just like he ses confidence. 89 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: He plays. 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: He's a baseball player, man, he's a really great third 91 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: base defender, and he just does a lot of things well, 92 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: puts the ball in play. He's playing with a lot 93 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: of confidence. He's the guy you want at the plate 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: or uh to make a play when when when the 95 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: times are tough. And he's a younger player allow old. 96 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: He is twenty five, twenty six years old. He might 97 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: be a little older than that. 98 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: Played on a couple of teams, they're on a few teams. 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: But this man plays, he plays the game. He's a 100 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: baseball player. I like baseball player. 101 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 5: He's a hockey player too. Growing up. They're tough. 102 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh ah eh, pretty cool. Probably about probably we've 103 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: been nice a nice soda. 104 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: We've we've been talking a lot about Freddy Freeman on 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: this show in the past couple of weeks, in more 106 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: ways than one. Not just a baseball play. 107 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: But he looked, uh, he looks he's looking elite. 108 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: He's elite. 109 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: He's looking elite. 110 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: Ruben, you stole my punch line. 111 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: No, no, you're good, you're good. 112 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, he I mean, Freddie Freeman absolutely amazing. You know, 113 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: I was looking at this too. Otani didn't really do 114 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: much at the plate in Game four, but the Phillies 115 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: held sho hee Otani. He was one for eighteen, two walks, 116 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: nine strikeouts in the NLDS against a Phillies. They did 117 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: a number on him. A lot of the left handed 118 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: pitching that he faced really really shoved. Before Game four, 119 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: I didn't update this today. I looked at all of 120 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: his other games in the postseason Reds Brewers, Blue Jays. 121 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: He was batting four hundred with a one point seventy 122 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: four to three OPS in the postseason minus the Phillies, 123 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: fourteen hits, eleven extra base hits, two doubles, a triple, 124 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: and eight home runs. So I just wanted to mention 125 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: that because the Phillies they. 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: Handled him really really well, man, and they neutralized him 127 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. 128 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was you know, doesn't really mean anything 129 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: for Phillies fans. It's not much of a comforting. Uh no, 130 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: take no solace in that. But but a great series. 131 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: I predicted the Dodgers to win in six. So that's 132 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: that's still alive. We're out, are out. 133 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 5: Five, Yeah, we're out. But Game five wins. 134 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 2: It's wide old gamble. 135 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: I don't can't believe it, but I you know, I'll 136 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: read that first pitch add And that was first pitch 137 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 4: presented exclusively by our partners at Parks Casino, Pennsylvania's number 138 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: one casino Parkscasino dot com. 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And the reason we're doing this prize 191 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: pack is because in this week in Philly Baseball History 192 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: October Today, October twenty ninth, two thousand and eight. Jim Rubin, 193 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: where were. 194 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: You that night? 195 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 5: Well, I know where I was. 196 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Game five World Series, Game five of the World Series. 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 5: It was Game five, Part two, right, Yeah, I was 198 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 5: in my booth. It stopped raining fine. 199 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: Right next to. 200 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: It was like a h the baseball seasons and marathon, 201 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 4: but that night was a sprint that was fun. 202 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean it really, it was such a fun night, 203 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: you know. Jeff Jenkins comes out. Everybody's talking for like 204 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: a day and a half, Who's gonna pinch it in 205 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: that situation? 206 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: Is it gonna be? 207 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Was it gonna be Jenkins or Dobbs? Right, that was 208 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of the talk. Was it gonna be Jenkins or Dobbs? 209 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: Jenkins comes out, smashes a double crap out of his legs, 210 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: He gets it, gives himself a Charlie horse, and they're, 211 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: you know, off they go. 212 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: Everybody, the whole every baseball rider in the country spent 213 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 4: two days writing about who'll pinchhit? 214 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: Well, Jim, you did something else right on the off 215 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: day there, didn't you visit Brett Myers and go. 216 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 5: To what I did? But that turned out to be controversial, 217 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 5: So I'm not getting into that. 218 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: Some people, that's the whole point. That's why we do 219 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: the show. 220 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: Huh, we're big drop the mic guys. 221 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: Controversy contra. What do you guys remember about the cellar? 222 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. I don't really remember much 223 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: about the post game celebration the clubhouse. The thing that 224 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: really jumps out to me was after the game, they're 225 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: on the field, Charlie's about to talk pack. He looks 226 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: about to talk and I remember walking in the field 227 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: and they're playing we are the Champions by Queen, and 228 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: the all forty eight thousand people whatever was all singing 229 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: and us unison. I was, I was on the field. 230 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is pretty cool. That's kind 231 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: of like my the memory that jumps out to me 232 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: of Game five of the World Series. 233 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: Quite a moment. 234 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: I was tracking down my family and some friends and 235 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: got my dad, my my whole family back on the field, 236 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: my girls down there, my brother, my mom, and I 237 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: took snap a couple of photos mm hmm, and uh, 238 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to enjoy the moment. It was a 239 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: weird situation for me though, because I was soon to 240 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: be the GM of the team, So it was kind 241 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: of a bit of a surreal moment and a little 242 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: perplexing and a little constant a little consternation. 243 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: Going on there too, but ex bound. 244 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: But it was just well, you know, when you I 245 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 3: had already certain negotiated at that point with David Montgomery 246 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: and that already talked to him about being appointed to 247 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: that seat, and all I really could think about was like, 248 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: what were our next steps? 249 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: I was already sort of. 250 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: Formulating all the things that needed to be done as 251 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: we made the transition from Pat Giller to me and uh, 252 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: and and our regime wasn't going to make a ton 253 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: of moves, but I did make some some things that 254 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 3: I wanted to change in the player development department and 255 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 3: you know some of my. 256 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: You know, some of the leaders in the organization. 257 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: So we made some some fairly significant changes, added you know, 258 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: a couple of different assistant gms. I knew that Mike 259 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: Garbuckle was likely not to come back, even though he 260 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 3: was offered to come back, and understandably so, which he 261 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: kind of would have stayed with us, but I mean, 262 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: he was gonna have a different sort of a role, 263 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 3: but I still wanted to have him stay with us 264 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: because he was so valuable. But we ended up making 265 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 3: some some pretty significant changes in our player development and 266 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: uh in a lot of ways for the better, I think, 267 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: and UH, you know, tried to continue to you know, 268 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: to sort of build on what had been built by 269 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: Ed and Pat, and we ended up having three really 270 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: phenomenal seasons as a result of it, Right, So I 271 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: was pretty proud of those of those moments. 272 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you get back to the World series right away. 273 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, you know, which I was told what 274 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: had never ever happened after Pat Gillick had left the team. 275 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: I mean basically, the teams. 276 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 3: That Pat Gillick had left or resigned from or what 277 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: have you pretty much went in a tank immediately, and 278 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: we did not do that. 279 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: I kept Pat on as an advisor. 280 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: I thought that was important, and got a lot of 281 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: support from David Montgomery and others from the owner Ship group, 282 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: and it ended up being, you know, three really great 283 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: years of baseball for the fans and for our city. 284 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: We just couldn't get past the finish line and couldn't 285 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: get the make the pitches or with the base hits 286 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: that were necessary to win. 287 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: It, you know. 288 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: So I remember about that night was a post game. 289 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: A few of us went into Charlie's office because Charlie 290 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: didn't really go on the field. He's just kind of 291 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: chilling out in his office. And Harry, Harry the KA 292 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: comes in and congratulates him, and that was just cool 293 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: to see. And then Dallas Green comes in, and I 294 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: remember Dallas and Charlie had a little tiff at one point. 295 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 296 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, just saw it happen. 297 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: I witnessed it, and I wrote about it, and they 298 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 4: both were They both were men, real men, because Dallas 299 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 4: knew I saw it and he I asked him about it, 300 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: and he said, you saw it, and he talked about it. 301 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: He manned up. 302 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: And then I went into Charlie's office and He's like, yeah, 303 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 5: you saw it. He manned up and they it was. 304 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: It was Honestly, it was a tense moment, but it 305 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 4: was such a fun story to write. These two big 306 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 4: heavyweights battling them out behind the batting cage. And what 307 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: I remember about that day, I was kind of standing 308 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 4: there talking to Dallas because Dallas. 309 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 5: Had been banned from going down on the field. Do 310 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 5: you remember. 311 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 4: I think Dave Montgarty put him in the penalty box, 312 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: gave him misconducts and stay away from the field for 313 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: a while because Dallas had scuffed. 314 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 5: Charlie on the radio. And Uh, all of a sudden, 315 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 5: I see Dallas on the field. 316 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: And I'm like, what's this all about. 317 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 5: He was he was kind of showing around some friends 318 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 5: during VP or something. 319 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 4: And he motioned over to Charlie and Charlie looked at 320 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: him and came over and gave him a little earfull. 321 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 5: And there was this woman standing there. 322 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: She she kind of looked at her husband or her 323 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 4: group and said, I think they're. 324 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 5: Fighting, and I'm looking I'm like, they're fighting. This was 325 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 5: it was, uh, I gotta find that story. 326 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: Great man, that's good stuff. 327 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 3: And then I mean they became friends after they became. 328 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: And so then in the office, Dallas walks in and 329 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: he just congratulates Charlie and one of us I can't 330 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: remember who was all in there. I know Bob Ford 331 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: was in there from the inquiry and we're in there 332 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: talking to him and and we said, Dallas, what do 333 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: you think about about Charlie when he's taken a lot 334 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: of heat and Dallas saying his praises at that point, 335 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, he's like, hey, there's only two s Obs 336 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: that I've ever been in that chair in. 337 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: Philadelphia to win it all. 338 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: And he did it differently than me, but he did it, 339 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, and it worked. And so it was that 340 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: was a cool moment, like the only two managers in 341 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: Philly's history together had went butted heads, celebrating the moment 342 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: like we are literally the only two people in this club, 343 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: this very very very exclusive club in Philly's history. And 344 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: that was that was another moment that jumped out at 345 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: me that you mentioned. 346 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 5: You guys both mentioned enjoying the moment. I don't know how. 347 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure Reuben could enjoy the moment, but Todd, 348 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: I find it very hard to enjoy a moment like 349 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 4: that because you're trying to write and trying to capture 350 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 4: the moment, and I find that so stressful trying to 351 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 4: deliver in that moment. I'm like, I'm not enjoying this. 352 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 4: I just want to get this done and have it 353 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 4: be in English. 354 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: No, I I I absolutely, it's a It's super stressful 355 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: because you want to rise to the occasion and not 356 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: like write a crappy story, right, and so you definitely 357 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: want to rise it. But that moment walking on the 358 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: field and seeing everybody saying we are the champions, I 359 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: was like, this is pretty cool. But after that, I'm like, 360 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: just don't mess up this story, just don't and I 361 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: and I almost mess it up. Jimmy, remember how I 362 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: almost mess it up? 363 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 8: I think you said I had the wrong score. Oh 364 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 8: my god, in my copy I sent it in whatever. 365 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 8: I can't remember what the final score was. It was 366 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 8: it five to four or four? Jim Swan and knows this. 367 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 8: He's I mentioned this all the time. He saved my ass. 368 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 8: I write the story, but I had the wrong score. 369 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 5: D oh my, Jim. 370 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: Swan call it now. These are keepsake editions of the 371 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: Philadelphia inquir Jim Swan calls me up and goes, God, 372 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: I just want to I want you to know I 373 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: saved your ass. He was about to go to print 374 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: and I noticed the score was wrong in your copy 375 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: and I changed it back. 376 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: You are. 377 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: I was like, thank. 378 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: God, you should have bought him a gift certificate of 379 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: Capitol grill. 380 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: Jim, thank you once again. I've told that story before 381 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: the people. 382 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 5: And uh, he's a great editor. 383 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: Jim Swan, all time great editor, great word guy, along 384 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: with the late great Robin Smith, two great world word 385 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: people at the Inquir. So yeah, that was another thing 386 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: that stuck out about that night. But h go do 387 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: shy sports dot com backslash tps to enter for a 388 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: chance to win this Phillies price pack. 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You 395 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: never know. 396 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 5: So after this, one more question about that night. 397 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: I remember walking out like bleary eyed, like shell shocked. 398 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 4: Was Springsteen playing across the street that night. 399 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: At the I can't remember arena? 400 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: He might have been. He might have been, because I 401 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: think I went to Springsteen. Didn't he played several nights because. 402 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: It later on, but I'm not sure because I remember 403 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 4: seeing it, like I just okay, I don't know why. 404 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 5: That Maybe was one of those playoffs. He was over there. 405 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he was at the ballpark a couple 406 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: of years ago during the postseason. He came and watched 407 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: a game. 408 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: I saw the Springsteen movie, by the way, how was that? 409 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. 410 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: I like these actors. I think the actor's great. 411 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: Man. 412 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, he was great. 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I did a little 455 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: Phillies off season primer just to kind of get people 456 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: ready kind of what you need to know, and I 457 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: wanted to run through some of this stuff just so 458 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: people kind of know what's coming, because baseball will be 459 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: over no later than this weekend, and then the offseason 460 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: will have officially. 461 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: Begun presented exactly exactly. 462 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: So let's look at let's I'm gonna just run through 463 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: some things things that you guys need to know. Phillies 464 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: Free agents as a recap Jose Alvarado though he's got 465 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: a nine million dollar club option, Harrison Bader ten million 466 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: dollar mutual option. Then you have Walker Buehler, Max Kepler, 467 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: Tim Mayza, J T. Real Muto, David Robertson, Jordan Romano, 468 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, Ranger Suarez, and Lou Trevino Schwarbur and real 469 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: Muto the priorities Baier number three. 470 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 5: On that list. 471 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: Seeing any differently, Alvarado is probably number three on the 472 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: list for me. 473 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean, right and take away, Yeah, they that option. 474 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: I really do believe they're going to pick up that option. 475 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 2: That's a big one. 476 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: I think it needs that needs that extra arm I 477 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: know people were upset with him about the PND stuff, 478 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: but the reality of it is they need some more 479 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: depth back there, and why not sign him now and 480 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 3: have him for one hundred and sixty two at nine 481 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 3: million and kind of go from there because it's a 482 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 3: reasonable number for the kind of quality that he can provide. 483 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: The Okay, so then you have let's so there's qualifying 484 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: offers that can be issued, right, and we expect JT. 485 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: Real Muto cannot be given a qualifying offer because he 486 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: was offered one in the past when he was a 487 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: free agent a couple of years, a few years ago, 488 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: so he cannot get a qualifying offer. We expect Schwarber 489 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: and Ranger Swarz to get fighting offer. It's a one year, 490 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: twenty two point zero two five million dollar contract. So 491 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: for some reason they accept it. They won't. 492 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: I'm just saying that Schoreber did not get a qualifying 493 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: offer when he was a free agent, correct. 494 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well he was kind of down at that time. 495 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 3: Yet he was he was he was he was eligible 496 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: to have one. 497 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 5: Right was he was non tender? 498 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: Non tendered? He was non tendered? Yeah, exactly, so Schwarburn 499 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: swore AZ. So if they, for some reason would just 500 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: accept it, they would get They would be a signed 501 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: player of twenty two point zero two five million dollars 502 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: for next season. If they reject it, which they will 503 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: because they're going to get multi year deals. The Phillies 504 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 1: would receive a compensation pick after the fourth round of 505 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty sixth Draft. That's because they're paying that 506 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: big competitive balance tax, the luxury tax. Qualifying offers can 507 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: be made through the fifth day after the World Series. 508 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: A player has until four pm Eastern on November eighteenth 509 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: to accept it. So bark that in your calendar, guys, I. 510 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 5: Bet it's a Friday night, right. 511 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: It always is a Friday night. 512 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: Every deadline that baseball has, it's always five o'clock. 513 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 5: It's your weekend. 514 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: It ruins your weekend exactly. 515 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: Why can't we why can't we do anything? 516 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 7: Well? 517 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: I have to wait for the non tender deadline to 518 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: pass around so I can write that story. So okay, 519 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: let's subm. We talked about the options. Josey Alvarado has 520 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: a nine million dollar club option. Harrison Batter has a 521 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: ten million dollar mutual option to pick up. 522 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: Both of those. 523 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, because but Beaters could have 524 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: probably declined his and Alvorado doesn't have that option. 525 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Alvarado doesn't have the option. I asked our crew 526 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: at MLB dot com to look for the last time 527 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: both sides that picked up a mutual option, and according 528 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: to them, there's been no mutual option picked up. This 529 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: is hard to leave since Aramis Ramirez and the Brewers 530 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: in November of twenty fourteen, that was the last time 531 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: a mutual option has been exercised. Its insane. 532 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 4: Ramirez, he always almost I almost signed him. 533 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 5: It's funny, I'm gonna. 534 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: I almost signed him instead of Jimmy Rollins. 535 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: Really, I've always thought he was underrated. Every time I 536 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 4: looked up he had like forty five doubles. Forty five doubles, 537 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 4: forty five he was a hundred Yeah, good offensive player, So. 538 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 5: Tell me more about signing him other than Jimmy Rollins. 539 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: That was when Jimmy became creator. I think that was 540 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: the one year the Brewers are running around on Jimmy. 541 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, they were the only team that we were. 542 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 2: Both running around on the same players. That's right. 543 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 5: Who would you put up short then? 544 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: Freddy, Freddy Yallas, Absolutelyddy. Freddy was ready. 545 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 5: Freddy was ready. 546 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: Freddy's a good short stop. The deadline for players and 547 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 1: teams to make their twenty twenty six option decisions is 548 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: five days after the end of the World Series, so 549 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: you have that salary arbitration. Players for the Phillies Tanner Banks, 550 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: Alec Bohm, Joanderan, Jesus Lozardo, Raphael Marshawn, Brandon marsh At, 551 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: Mundo Sosa, Bryce and Stott, and Garrett Stubbs non tender guys. 552 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: Maybe Garrett Stubbs, right, last year last tenders or are Marsh, 553 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: Stott and Stubbs. 554 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: Those are threatened nontenders. In other words, we might non 555 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: tender you unless you sign a deal before the I think. 556 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 5: They'll they'll hold out tender stopped. 557 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: I don't think they will, and I don't think they're 558 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: going to start non tender Marsh, but they might be 559 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: able to get deals done with them before the deadline. 560 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: Maybe last year they agreed to deals. So what a 561 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: lot of times do well, what what teams do a 562 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: lot of times is if they don't like the salary, 563 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: arbitration projections or whatever, they will negotiate something with the 564 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: player and settle on a contract right before the deadline. 565 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: So they did that last year with Jose Ruiz, remember 566 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: him and Garrett Stubbs. They agreed to one year deals 567 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: the day of the tender deadline, and the tender deadline 568 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: this year is November twenty first, again probably a Friday. 569 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: I don't know that I went through that one time. 570 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: I had that great year in nineteen ninety six. 571 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: I hit like three eighty as a print hitter or 572 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: something like that, hit three thirty three for the season, 573 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: and I was arbitration eligible. I have more than three years, 574 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: and the Phillies threatened a non tender and I told 575 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: my agent, just sign a deal. 576 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: I want to stay with the Phillies. And I ended 577 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: up signing a minor. 578 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: League deal like a dumb ass, because it was the 579 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: only time I had any kind. 580 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: Of leverage at all. But I wanted to stay with 581 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: the Phillies, and the Phillies would only Ed Wade was 582 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: being a hard ass on me. 583 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 5: I remember that. I remember you were, And then I. 584 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: Was thinking about going to a different team. 585 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: I mean I had other I knew that, like the 586 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: Atlanta Braves and the Montreal Expos and some other teams 587 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: were really interested in having me in Pittsburgh, some other teams, 588 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: but I wanted to stay with the Phillies and uh, 589 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 3: and we ended up doing a minor league deal, minor 590 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: league deal instead of a major league deal, and my 591 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 3: agent was like, why are you doing this? 592 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: I said, because I want to be a Philly. That's 593 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: what I remember. 594 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 4: I remember in the spring of ninety seven, you had 595 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 4: to really scratch and clawed or make the team, and 596 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 4: I think you made it. Like on the last they 597 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 4: announced that, like the last couple of days of camp, 598 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 4: Jack Russell. 599 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 2: Yep I was regretting it for a while. 600 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: November twenty first gym is a Friday. It ended up me. 601 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: It ended up springboarding me to being the GM of 602 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: the Phillies. 603 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 5: Later on it did there you go. 604 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: It worked out and worked out. 605 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: Vision pretty good long term decision, so okay. 606 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: So then November eighteenth, the Phillies have to protect players 607 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: from the Rule five draft. That's another deadline, that's not 608 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: a Friday. But they have some They have some options 609 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: stone Cold, Mortal Locke, as some people might say, Andrew Painter, 610 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: he'll be protected from the Rule five draft Cold yeah. 611 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: And then some other guys to keep an eye on. 612 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: Gabriel Rinconez Junior talked about him a couple of weeks 613 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: ago as playing a role in the twenty twenty six Phillies. 614 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: So I would expect him to be protected from the 615 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: Rule five. If you're talking about him contributing, you wouldn't 616 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: risk losing him. And you know he can crush right 617 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: handed pitching, so you know I would. I would think 618 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: some team would take him if the Phillies don't protect him. 619 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: Gabriel, Minnesota Twins will take him. Minnesota Twins have lost 620 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: their entire team. 621 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great. 622 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 4: Point to this question, which leads me to this question. 623 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 4: They've checked out right the Minnesota Twins. Do you think 624 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 4: Byron Buxton would reconsider his interesting his stance on not 625 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 4: you know, I'm invoking his no trade clause because he 626 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 4: wants stay in Minnesota, because that's a right handed bat. 627 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: Why why wouldn't he. I mean a guy who was 628 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: a competitive you're right. 629 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 4: Great contract, he would he would zoom to the top 630 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 4: of my list in front of the Phillies if he 631 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 4: would reconsider. 632 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would actually move a major league player 633 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 3: or two for him, right contract Rob Peter to pay 634 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 3: Paul like if a Stot Marsh combination or something like that, 635 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: minor league on levering Konez and uh Marsh Uh yeah, 636 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: something like you know, a deal like that where you 637 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 3: you give up a really strong piece or to maybe one. 638 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: Of them from your major league team that's under control. 639 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: You take the risk of the health, You take the 640 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: risk of the health history with him. I mean remember 641 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: last off season we were talking about him, were like, 642 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: no shot, the guy's hurt all the time. He had 643 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: a good year this year that I stay healthy. 644 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly I mean, if you signed short back, you 645 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: can put Schwarber in left field every. 646 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 3: Once in a while and have and that Buxton be 647 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 3: a DH because he dated a lot to get him 648 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 3: off his legs. 649 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: I just would think about it, Oh, I would definitely. 650 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 4: And if I were boring Buxton, I would think about 651 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 4: you know he, I mean, you're gonna probably finish in 652 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 4: the last place, and you know, no ice fishing. I'd 653 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,719 Speaker 4: rather come to Philadelphia and compete for a flag. 654 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 655 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: It tells me a little bit about the guy. Maybe 656 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: he didn't want to do it in season, but perhaps 657 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: out of season. I mean, it's certainly it's a great call, Jim. 658 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: Because that's the type of player if you really want 659 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: to change things up in the dynamic of your team. 660 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about protection from the right side. 661 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the guy. That's the guy. Now you 662 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 3: got Turner and Buxton to Righty's It's a good call. 663 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 5: Jim Todd. You can talk to him about the golphers. 664 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, yeah, golfers oh gosh, oh yeah. 665 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: Paul I. 666 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: Played with a guy named beaver brewin way back when 667 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: who played for the Yeah. Bignesota is a star player. 668 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: Other guys eligible for the Rule five. You know, not 669 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: all these guys are going to be protected, but some 670 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: names to kind of keep an eye on. A couple 671 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: of right handers. Alex McFarlane, who's their number twenty prospect 672 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: according to MLB pipeline at least I don't know where 673 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: he is on Baseball America's list, Griff McGarry possibly, and 674 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: then some other names. Just to mention Andrew Baker remember 675 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: him for a couple of years ago. He might get 676 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: some interest. Thrown guy. I mean he kind of went off, 677 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: fell off the face of the earth, and then he's 678 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: kind of worked his way back. These guys are probably unlikely, 679 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: but you never know if a team's looking for a bat. 680 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: Felix reyies he was the Eastern League Player of the Year, 681 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: and then Caleb Rickett's catcher. You know, probably not, but 682 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention those guys. 683 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 2: So and Crawford don't need to be protected, or they're 684 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: already protected. 685 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: Crawford does not. Who'd you say, Painter or Painter does 686 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: need to be protect Miller he does not need to 687 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: be protected yet. 688 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's one of the reasons why they 689 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 3: won't be on the come to the big league camp 690 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 3: and in some cases may make the team, but they're 691 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 3: not going to be protected on the forty man at 692 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 3: least for. 693 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: Now, right right, so Painter for sure will be I 694 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: would say again, Raconas, And then you can look at McFarlane. 695 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: McGarry is interesting. 696 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 5: I mean, he was predicted to be number one picked 697 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 5: last year. 698 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: Some people were talking about that exactly right. Jim did 699 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: not happen though. He wasn't throwing strikes coming out of 700 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: last season, so that'd have been a little bit. But 701 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: but maybe now this year everything a shot at him 702 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: as a relief as a relief pitcher. So you never know, 703 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: you never know. 704 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 2: We are. 705 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: So we're gonna have another show on Friday where we 706 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: might be talking a little Arizona Fall League. We might 707 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: be talking to Phillies a number one draft pick, Dante Nori, 708 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: talking about the Fall League and just kind of his 709 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: development and and whatnot. And then next week, after the 710 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: World Series is over, we're gonna really dig into the 711 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: Phillies off season, looking at some free agents hot Stove Baby, 712 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: Little Hot Stove Action, the Jungle Byron Buxton and more 713 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: trade possibilities and looking at some Phillies prospects and whatnot. 714 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: So definitely check out Friday's show. Check out all of 715 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: our shows next week as the off season begins. So 716 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: hope that little primer, little cheat sheet helps you guys 717 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: out mark down your calendar is November twenty first, the 718 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: non tender deadline. Everybody Friday night. I'll be at home 719 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: wait waiting for the list. 720 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 4: All yes, we will be out gallivanting at some cocktail 721 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: party or something. 722 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 2: That's probably true. I'll be doing my cigar dance. 723 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 5: He's an A list celeb, not Me'm I'll be sitting 724 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 5: at home like going. 725 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: Did they agree to a one year deal with stubsadline? 726 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: That's my life. 727 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: That's my life in the off season. So all right, guys, 728 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: we will be back later this week. 729 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 5: Smell elata boys you James. 730 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 731 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 732 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.