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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink

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Speaker 1: He with Garrett Downing. We've had time to think about

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Speaker 1: the ravens twenty seven to twenty two loss to the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers as well as here from head coach.

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Speaker 2: John Harball on Monday, and we're.

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Speaker 1: Going to break down some of the takeaways from that

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Speaker 1: game as the Ravens moved forward with four games left

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Speaker 1: in the regular season, as well as look ahead to

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Speaker 1: some of the injury news and things to look forward

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Speaker 1: to in that matchup coming up against the Bengals on Sunday. So, Garrett, certainly,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the talk since Sunday's loss to the

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Speaker 1: Steelers has still been about the officiating and the three

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Speaker 1: critical calls really that went against the Ravens that honestly

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Speaker 1: played a big part in determining this game. How big

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Speaker 1: You can never say, right, did they cost the Ravens game?

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Speaker 2: You can never say, But they were three big calls.

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Speaker 1: All three went against the Ravens, and the Ravens I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people want to clarity coming out

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Speaker 1: of that whole situation, including the Ravens. Yeah, head coach

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Speaker 1: down Harball, General manager Eric Tacassa and others spoke with,

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Speaker 1: requested to speak with the NFL, which is kind of

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Speaker 1: a rare thing about those calls, and did so Monday morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they asked for a call. They had the call

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Speaker 3: with Perry Fuel, who's the NFL Senior Vice President of Officiating,

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Speaker 3: a former NFL coach, longtime coach, as well as Walt

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Speaker 3: Coleman at the league office on the officiating side. And

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Speaker 3: so they had a call with them and talked through

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Speaker 3: those three plays in particular. And this, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: is not something It's not like there's a Monday morning

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Speaker 3: call every week, but the calls on the field and

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Speaker 3: with the replay operation rose to the level that the

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Speaker 3: Ravens initiated this call with the league. It brought some

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Speaker 3: it was an opportunity to be heard. I think it

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Speaker 3: brought clarity in some situations and not necessarily clarity in others.

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Speaker 3: And the fact is, and of course the Ravens knew

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Speaker 3: this before you even go into the call. Like you

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Speaker 3: hear the NFL hears them out. They're not saying, all right,

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Speaker 3: let's head back to McBay Stadium and change the rule

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Speaker 3: on one of these things and play it out from there,

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Speaker 3: like you're not going to give the Ravens a win,

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Speaker 3: They're not going to change the calls retroactively, Like that's

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Speaker 3: of course not going to happen. It's more of an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to be heard and to take learnings from it

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Speaker 3: moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you just want an explanation, honestly, you know,

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Speaker 1: it just like played a large factor in you losing

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Speaker 1: a big time game that we all talk about was

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Speaker 1: a playoff game is to you know, see who as

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Speaker 1: going to be in first place in the AFC Norse

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Speaker 1: so huge, huge calls, and honestly, you just want answers.

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Speaker 1: Like I went to bed Sunday night and woke up

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Speaker 1: again on Monday morning being like hell, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've got these follow up questions that I want to know.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what they say about that, and

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Speaker 1: so I think the Ravens, you know, John Harball and

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Speaker 1: Eric Goss woke up with those same questions.

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Speaker 2: Probably well.

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Speaker 3: One area of clarity that we did get and John

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Speaker 3: Harbaugh shared this was that the NFL acknowledged fault. They

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Speaker 3: made the wrong call on the unnecessary roughness call on

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Speaker 3: Travis Jones.

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Speaker 1: Now that was not a replay that was just the

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Speaker 1: wrong call on the field.

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Speaker 3: Yep, through a flag in that moment. The rule on

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Speaker 3: that play, just for listeners to know, is that the

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Speaker 3: center the long snapper is a defenseless player and as

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Speaker 3: because of that, you are not able to make any

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Speaker 3: forceable contact to the head and neck area that did.

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Speaker 1: Not have allowed to lower your helmet. You're not allowed

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Speaker 3: Right, Just like a receiver going over the middle of

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Speaker 3: the field who's a defensives player, same applies.

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Speaker 1: To the doesn't mean they can't be knocked over, doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they can't be contacted. Which Travis Jones tried to

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Speaker 1: split the gap between the long snapper and the guard

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Speaker 1: just like I said after the game, and in doing so,

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Speaker 1: Travis Jones is a large man and c J o'coya

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Speaker 1: on the other side also they both tried to get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they basically ran over the long staffer and starting

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Speaker 3: the contact with the guards next to him, and so

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Speaker 3: they called the penalty. The official set after the game

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Speaker 3: and the pool report basically they felt like the level

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Speaker 3: of contact rose to the unnecessary roughness call. But as

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Speaker 3: the NFL told John Harbor, and he said in his

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Speaker 3: press conference on Monday that that was not the right call.

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Speaker 3: They missed that one, and the NFL actually told Harball

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Speaker 3: that he could share that news publicly, which he did.

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Speaker 3: Then they acknowledged that that was the wrong call.

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Speaker 1: Which I think the I do credit the league for

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Speaker 1: saying that. Right, it feels like and the complaint that

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Speaker 1: you often hear is that there's no accountability right, and

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Speaker 1: there's no like, ah, we screwed that up, my bad,

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Speaker 1: and so like to admit that does give you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of peace with the situation.

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Speaker 2: Again, it doesn't change the result.

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Speaker 1: And by the way that that flag gave the Steiler,

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Speaker 1: it didn't give the Steelers. It opened the door for

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Speaker 1: the Steelers to get four more points. It resulted in

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Speaker 1: a four point swing, That's what it did because the

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Speaker 1: ring of the Steelers, right, the Steelers are going to

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Speaker 1: kick a kicked a field goal that was successful. Instead,

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Speaker 1: it gave them a fresh said downs and they scored

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Speaker 1: a touchdown. So if not for that flag, there would

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Speaker 1: have been four fewer points on the board for the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: which in a five point win, changes everything, right. I

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Speaker 1: mean the Ravens a when they went forward on fourth

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Speaker 1: and five, they would have kicked a field goal. Of course,

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Speaker 1: right after the Isaiah likely touchdown was wiped off the board.

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Speaker 2: They would kick a field goal to.

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Speaker 1: Take a two point lead, or they would have been

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Speaker 1: in a kick a field goal at the end of

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Speaker 1: the game situation instead of having to drive down the

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Speaker 1: field and score a touchdown. Now, of course you can

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Speaker 1: all play that out right. The Steelers might not have

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Speaker 1: run the ball three straight times or whatever it was

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Speaker 1: on their last drive. They would have been approaching that

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Speaker 1: So you can never say, but four points in a

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Speaker 1: five point game would have been a big deal.

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Speaker 3: That was a massive call in that moment, and it's disappointing,

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Speaker 3: and the truth be told like that that happens, that

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Speaker 3: calls get missed, But it was the it was the

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Speaker 3: three stacked on top that one was rule incorrectly.

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Speaker 1: The The annoying part about that, though, is that there

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Speaker 1: seemed to be not a full understanding of the rule

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Speaker 1: because because in the explanation of that, it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: the the referee came on after the game when the

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Speaker 1: I kind of blew that call, you know. It was like, well,

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Speaker 1: you just ran him over and you can't run him over. Well,

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Speaker 1: you can run him over, it's just like you can't

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Speaker 1: make forcible contact to the head or neck area, right,

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Speaker 1: So like that that's a little bit of the frustration there,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Then on the other two calls, John Harbaugh described it,

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Speaker 3: the Isaiah likely one is the one that everybody's talking about.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's the headline, that's the discussion point that

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Speaker 3: everybody's having. Getting my haircut in the barbershop today, everybody's

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Speaker 3: talking about that call.

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Speaker 2: Haircut.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's talking about that call.

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Speaker 3: And and so the John Harball said, it's basically clear

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Speaker 3: as mud right now on the rule at how it's officiated. Again,

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Speaker 3: the way the rule reads right now is there's three

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Speaker 3: elements of the catch. You need possession of it. Then

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Speaker 3: you need two feet down after the bunce in bounds.

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Speaker 3: Of course, after those two things are completed, then you

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Speaker 3: need a third element. The third element of the catch

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Speaker 3: is a football move. And a football move could be

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Speaker 3: extending the football, it could be it could be a spin.

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Speaker 2: Move awarding off a defender, that's the other.

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Speaker 3: It could be a third step that's also or the

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Speaker 3: time to make a football move. So if you caught

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Speaker 1: Which which we haven't really discussed enough, like did Isaiah

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Speaker 1: to make a football move? The key element here, I think,

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Speaker 1: and why this is and I agree with John Harball,

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Speaker 1: this is clear as mud is that the word after

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Speaker 1: to me is is the key element here because Isaiah

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Speaker 1: likely when he caught that ball as soon as he

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Speaker 1: caught it, okay, check the box number one, and really

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Speaker 1: as soon as he caught it, there wasn't an element

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Speaker 1: of is he going to be in bounds? Yeah, of

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Speaker 1: So check number two immediately also right, he's in right,

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Speaker 1: and then he extends the ball like in the same motion. Right,

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Speaker 1: So like he quickly checked the first two boxes. Number

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Speaker 1: three years checked, Like why why does it have to

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Speaker 1: be one, two, three, right? Like like insequential order. That's

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Speaker 1: that's the part that it's like what and like he

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Speaker 1: like you have to start the ball extension after the

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Speaker 1: second foot comes down, Like why what what sense does

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Speaker 1: warding off the defender. If you're gonna that's that's what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the argument can be made that that was his

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Speaker 3: the extension of the football and the continued extension of

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Speaker 1: Now now, but the he extended he's So that's what

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Speaker 1: I wish that I was on that phone call Harves

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Speaker 1: and Eric didn't patch me in which I would have

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Speaker 1: liked to next time, you know, But like, that's what

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Speaker 1: I would like to know if that was I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that was discussed during the call, Like why The question

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Speaker 1: is why was Isaiah Likely's extension of the ball not

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Speaker 1: considered a football move? And secondarily, why was his warding

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Speaker 1: the third element of that a football move?

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Speaker 3: Right? Then the other piece of this, of course, The

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Speaker 3: third play was the Aaron Rodgers catch that took an

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Speaker 3: interception off the board, and that's part of the frustration

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Speaker 3: for the Ravens. On both of these, Isaiah Likely's rule

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Speaker 3: to time down on the field, the Teddy Buchanan interception

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Speaker 3: ruled an interception on the field. Both of them go

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Speaker 3: to replay and get overturned. And on the Isaiah Likely

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Speaker 3: he has control of it, but then his knee goes down.

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Speaker 2: Both have control of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're basically fighting for the football. It goes down,

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Speaker 3: Teddy Buchanan comes up with it again. Rule does an

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Speaker 3: interception on the field, replayer returns it says he was

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Speaker 3: down And so both of those situations are basically the

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Speaker 2: But that's the question.

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Speaker 1: That's what I would love to know, is that in

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Speaker 1: the ruling of that when they were reviewing that, were

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Speaker 1: they reviewing it as if Aaron Rodgers was a receiver

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Speaker 1: or a ball carrier. He was a receiver, that's how

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Speaker 2: You know, the time element.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So again, it doesn't change anything. But the Raiders

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Speaker 1: John Harball did say that Isaiah likely is not coached

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Speaker 3: Hold onto the ball and take three more steps than

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Speaker 3: And it's also the situations, like you need to be

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Speaker 2: Well, he jumped, he lateraled a guy and got loose

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Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, exactly, But I'm saying that if he had

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Speaker 1: Before we move on, because I'll never move on. There

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Speaker 2: A huge penalty. It was an eighteen yard penalty.

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Speaker 1: Instead of the Ravens starting in very good field position.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, just a tough pill swallow across the board

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Speaker 2: Why I don't like taking pills. Yeah, exactually so then

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna take a quick break when we come back,

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Speaker 3: will dissect the rest of Harboss press conference as well,

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Speaker 3: start looking ahead to the upcoming game against the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: some other notes coming out of John Harbus's press conference

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, uh, you know, what's what's hurt

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Speaker 1: I think it's certainly fair to say that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: wish there was more consistency there.

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Speaker 2: You look around the whole league also, I.

439
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Speaker 1: Think you know us here in Baltimore, you're watching your

440
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Speaker 1: own offensive line every single week, so you know you're

441
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 1: very well versed in all the losses and they leave

442
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: scars and you watch other games around the league, you

443
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: see other guards and guys getting beat to, Like that's

444
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 1: just you're every position, right, The Ravens had key drops

445
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: in this game. Every position's going to have mistakes at times,

446
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: the offensive line especially like when you give up clean

447
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: losses like that, like it's bad, but like you're never

448
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: going to bat a thousand, You're not going to pass

449
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 1: protect and win every single it's just not gonna happen.

450
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Speaker 3: I think that as the Ravens in this these final

451
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Speaker 3: four games with the regular season, they know they have

452
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Speaker 3: to get to get better guard play and that's gonna

453
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Speaker 3: that's been a focal point for much of this year.

454
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Speaker 3: But you can't have in past pass blocking situations the

455
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Speaker 3: like to your point of the easy wins, you can't

456
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Speaker 3: give up those situations where defensive line is in the

457
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Speaker 3: backfield are no time flat.

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Speaker 1: John Harwall basically said in describing one of those, he

459
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Speaker 1: said that Daniel fodd Leley basically pass set as if

460
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Speaker 1: it was a play action play and it was just

461
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Speaker 1: a straight drop.

462
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Speaker 2: Back, and so those have different sets and he just

463
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Speaker 2: did the wrong one.

464
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of fans have been clamoring for

465
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Speaker 1: Emery Jones, the third round rookie who missed the entire

466
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Speaker 1: offseason because of shoulder surgery following the combine. As you mentioned,

467
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Speaker 1: he was in a rotation with Andrew Fourhees. John Harwall

468
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Speaker 1: did say, basically, yeah, Emery did. He did okay in

469
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Speaker 1: his sixteen reps that he has against the Bengals, he

470
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Speaker 1: did okay, but he didn't outplay the other two guys.

471
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Speaker 1: He said, he didn't outplay him, and he didn't play

472
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Speaker 1: the same that he was in their evaluation, worse than

473
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Speaker 1: those two guys. If you were better, he would have

474
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Speaker 1: the job. Like, make no bones about it. The Ravens

475
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Speaker 1: want the best five. Yeah, there's no there's nothing outside

476
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: of that, no ulteriear motives, there's no you know, allegiances.

477
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Speaker 2: They want the best five.

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Speaker 1: They they basically said, all right, we're gonna give Emery

479
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Speaker 1: Jones a look, because you never know until he has

480
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Speaker 1: game reps, We're gonna give him a look.

481
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Speaker 2: They gave him a look.

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Speaker 1: Didn't feel like it was as good as the other two,

483
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Speaker 1: and of course practice matters in that decision. Too, But

484
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Speaker 1: for that reason they went with Andrew. Wordis that doesn't

485
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Speaker 1: mean Emory Jones can at some point and get another look.

486
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Speaker 1: But that's the situation for now.

487
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Speaker 3: The other guy that we've been asked about a lot

488
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Speaker 3: over the last couple of years really is Bank Cleveland.

489
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Speaker 3: He was inactive on game day and on Monday, the

490
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Speaker 3: NFL annolynceid he's been suspended three games for violating the

491
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Speaker 3: league's policy on substance abuse, So he's out for the

492
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Speaker 3: next three games. So he's not going to be in

493
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Speaker 3: that mix with that offensive line rotation. Now. Another thing

494
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Speaker 3: coming out of the press conference on Monday was DeAndre

495
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Speaker 3: Hopkins and John Harball was pretty clear about the desire

496
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Speaker 3: to get him more involved in the offense. And I

497
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Speaker 3: agree with this Hopkins, and he has not received a

498
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Speaker 3: ton of snaps this year. The Ravens have used him

499
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Speaker 3: in spot duty, I would say, and situationally, yeah, And

500
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Speaker 3: John Harball even made that point that, like, he's not

501
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Speaker 3: a guy that at this point of his career that

502
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Speaker 3: he's going to play one hundred percent of the snaps.

503
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Speaker 3: But he's been impactful when he has been on the field.

504
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Speaker 3: He's drawn pis, he's hit some big plays, especially early

505
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Speaker 3: in the season, come up with some clutch catches when

506
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Speaker 3: the Ravens need to move the chains, Like he's got

507
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Speaker 3: the best hands on the team and he's got Hall

508
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Speaker 3: of Fame hands, and the Ravens want to He's an asset.

509
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Speaker 3: And so I think that for this final month here,

510
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Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a heavier diet of DeAndre

511
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Speaker 3: Hopkins in this offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he hasn't been targeted more than four times

513
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Speaker 1: in a game yet this season. He had one target

514
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: against the Steelers and didn't have a catch. That was

515
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Speaker 1: the third time this year that he's been held without

516
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Speaker 1: a catch. I agree with you it Also, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: Rashad Batman ain't putting up crazy numbers either. He had

518
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Speaker 1: a key drop on a third down in the red zone.

519
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Speaker 1: So if you're taking if Rashad loses some snaps to

520
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Speaker 1: d Hop like that, it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: I think at this point.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, Uh, it's been a tough it's I think

523
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Speaker 1: it's been a challenging season for him. And John Harvill

524
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Speaker 1: said he and d Hop have really bonded and had

525
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Speaker 1: some very honest conversations. You know, de Hop came here

526
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Speaker 1: expecting to win, joining the team that everybody was talking

527
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Speaker 1: about with had the best roster in the NFL. He's

528
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Speaker 1: a guy that wants to win to Super Bowl badly

529
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Speaker 1: before he hangs it up, and felt like he would

530
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Speaker 1: have a very good chance of doing that here in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: You know, uniting with Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry just

532
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Speaker 1: hasn't materialized.

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Speaker 3: Like Lamar even said after the game when talking about

534
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Speaker 3: the game, that you know, he brought in some new

535
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Speaker 3: pieces and he called out specifically DeAndre Hopkins. It's like

536
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Speaker 3: we brought him in here.

537
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Speaker 2: Didn't come here for this.

538
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: It didn't come here for this. I didn't expect this

539
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Speaker 3: to be the situation where we're six to seven with

540
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Speaker 3: four games left to play, and so Lamar clearly wants

541
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Speaker 3: to get him, get him the ball and win games.

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Speaker 1: And like the hop hasn't scored a touchdown since Week

543
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Speaker 1: two against the Browns. Yeah, and he had two spectacular

544
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Speaker 1: catches touch on catches in the first two weeks, the

545
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Speaker 1: one in Buffalo, the one hander and then a long,

546
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Speaker 1: kind of sliding impressive catch against the Browns. So the

547
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Speaker 1: Ravens have struggled in the red zone all year, long,

548
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Speaker 1: give me some more d Hop in the red zone.

549
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Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take that specifically. You know, there was

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Speaker 1: one kind of end zone fade to Zay Flowers. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know Zay made a spectacular over the shoulder catch

552
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Speaker 1: on the Ravens opening drive. Yeah, spectacular catch. But then

553
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: they kind of went back to the well with less

554
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Speaker 1: field to play with and on an end zone shot

555
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Speaker 1: that went incomplete.

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Speaker 2: To me, I'd like to see d Hop get that. Yeah,

557
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Speaker 2: and you know part of it is Lamar.

558
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Speaker 1: Also they took a shot to d' hot, but Lamar

559
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: threw it out of bounds and you got to keep

560
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: that ball in bounds and give him a chance to

561
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Speaker 1: make a play on it. This is DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah,

562
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Speaker 1: he's a fifty to fifty ball winner. Yeah, but he

563
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: can't win and when it's out of bounds. So you

564
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: know that's part of it too. Yeah.

565
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: Well, also on the fourth down play on the Ravens

566
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Speaker 3: second to last drive, Lamar threw passing the end zone.

567
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Speaker 3: It's unclear if it was going to Mark Andrews or

568
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Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins. You look at the back angle, it looks

569
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Speaker 3: like he was going towards DeAndre Hopkins.

570
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Speaker 2: Pretty confident it was going to d. Hop intended for

571
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Speaker 2: d yup.

572
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Speaker 3: And Mark went up and tried to get it with

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Speaker 3: one hand. Also felt like the defender tugged on his

574
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: jersey on that play. And you know, we'll never know

575
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Speaker 3: if if that ball would have gotten to Hopkins. There

576
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Speaker 3: were two defenders coming in on the play, and would

577
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Speaker 3: it have gotten there, I don't know, But he was

578
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Speaker 3: there and his reaction after the play, you know, he

579
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: he thought it was coming to him. He thought he

580
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: was if it would have got to him, of course

581
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Speaker 3: he would have caught it, you know, So disappointing that

582
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: that wasn't able to material that that kind of speaks

583
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Speaker 3: to the Ravens issues in this game and in the

584
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: red zone and over the course of the season. Like

585
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: all that is kind of a microcosm of what the

586
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: team has been this year. And so I think that,

587
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: like to my eye, Hopkins has been a really good

588
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: piece this year, and I'd like to see him get

589
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: more action, and it sounds like that's going to be

590
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: a priority for this team. And I think he can

591
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: help in the red zone, and the Ravens need help

592
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: in the red zone. They just haven't been good enough

593
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: these past couple of games honestly all season that's been

594
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 3: issued throughout the year in the red zone, and it's

595
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: always tough because it's like, on one hand, like, what

596
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: was the issue of the red zone this game, Well,

597
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: that Isaiah likely played that we just spent fifteen minutes

598
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: talking about, like if that's a touchdown, and then we're

599
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: having a different conversation about the red zone if that

600
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: ball gets to Hopkins on the play I just described

601
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Speaker 3: that fourth down play, we're having a different conversation about

602
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: the red zone struggles. But they didn't, and so here

603
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: we are, and that has been kind of this team's

604
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: undoing offensively at times, and they need to be more

605
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: productive at getting touchdowns when they get to that part

606
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Speaker 3: of the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they haven't run the ball particularly well when they've

608
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: gotten down there. That has been a struggle that goes

609
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: back to our offensive line conversation in part, certainly Lamar

610
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: not running the ball as much hurts that. Now that

611
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: changed in this game. He had a rushing touchdowns first

612
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: since week one. So maybe Lamar feeling better physically and

613
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: little more is more of a threat around the goal line,

614
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: which certainly helps a great amount. You know, when you

615
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: are rolling Lamar out, as the Ravens often do, to

616
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: try to also afford him more protection and change the

617
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: the you know, they're not just teeing off on Lamar

618
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: in the backfield. Him being able to tuck it and

619
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: run certainly makes that a more threatening play. And so

620
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: that's been another factor. And then you know, Lamar Jackson

621
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Speaker 1: just has not completed as many passes down in the

622
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: red zone this year. He was among the league leaders

623
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Speaker 1: in that category last season. But it's it's been a struggle,

624
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Speaker 1: you know, inside the twenty yard line. Lamar Jackson has

625
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: had a forty two point five percent completion rate this season.

626
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Speaker 2: Uh and and that is really it's.

627
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: Lower than Dylan Gabriel Jackson Dart, you know. I mean,

628
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Speaker 1: it's been a drastic change from a year ago when

629
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Speaker 1: he had a seventy percent completion rate in the redsidence.

630
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Speaker 1: So we go from seventy percent to forty two and

631
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Speaker 1: a half percent.

632
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Speaker 2: It's a big change. And why that is, I don't know.

633
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, you think with d hop right,

634
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: that would help.

635
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, here's a here's a fifty to fifty ball

636
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: winner in tight spaces, give him a chance, but just

637
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: hasn't hasn't come to fruition.

638
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna. If the Ravens are gonna put together

639
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: a run here in this final stretch, they're gonna simply

640
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: put need to be better in the red cente. Like

641
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: that's how they've lost games in recent weeks, and that

642
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: can't be the case if they're going to string together

643
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: some wins here to close out the regular season. Now,

644
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: flip it over to the defensive side of the ball.

645
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: It was a weird day for the defense, as we

646
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: talked about in the postgame podcast, because on one hand,

647
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: you're like, may you shut down the run? A lot

648
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: of good things you just gave up to me.

649
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: When you win the line of scrimmage against the Pittsburgh Steelers,

650
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: you usually win the game.

651
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 3: Right now. They had blown assignments. There was the one

652
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: Jalen Warren touchdown that John Harbo said there were two

653
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: blown assignments on that play, but everything went wrong on

654
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: that one and he basically had a walk in touchdown,

655
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: took a screen pass untouched for forty yards at a

656
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: touchdown like that just can't happen. Like, you can do

657
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: a lot of things right, but if you give up

658
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: that it negates all the good work that you've been

659
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: able to do, so the Ravens know that they can't

660
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: have that. The thing that's interesting is that the Steelers

661
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: came into that game clearly intent on taking shots to

662
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: the DK Metcalf down the field. Now you play it

663
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: forward and it's Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and that

664
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: high powered offense. And I wonder if it's going to

665
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: be a similar situation that the Bengal's gonna come in

666
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: and say, all right, we're gonna take some shots to

667
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase down the field and see if we can't

668
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: hit some of those big plays that the Steelers just

669
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: hit a week ago.

670
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

671
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a challenge for these outside corners and boundary corners,

672
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: specifically Marlon Humphrey.

673
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: I think, you know, when Marlin's.

674
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: Been so great around the line of scrimmage playing that

675
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: nickel role, but when he gets isot and manded man

676
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: outside sometimes seems to taking shots on him. And you know,

677
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: the Ravens have generally been good and Mann a man

678
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: kind of press man coverage.

679
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: They just got beat. Now they apart got beat because

680
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers made some freaking awesome throws. Yeah, I mean,

681
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: he he was.

682
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what possessed Aaron Rodgers Sunday, but everything

683
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: was different from everything that he's done all season long.

684
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: So he was he was just I mean, we said

685
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: going into the game, like Aaron Rodgers can get hot

686
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: at any time.

687
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: He was scorching hot.

688
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was right hot, right hot.

689
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: And so you know, he made some great throws and

690
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: sometimes as a defensive back or a corner, as much

691
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: as you hate to do, you gotta tip your cap.

692
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: And DK metcalf made the plays too, you know, to

693
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: finish it.

694
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: And so.

695
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, now to your point, Joe Burrow is very

696
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: capable of making those throws as well, and Jamar Chase

697
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: very capable of making those catches. So the assignment doesn't

698
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: get any easier here. Maybe because it just happened, you know,

699
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: the Ravens are going to be a little bit more

700
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: on alert for that. They would have been on alert

701
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: for that anyway going against the Bengals.

702
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just you don't.

703
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: You can't afford to tip your cap too much in

704
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: this game against the Bengals.

705
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: Put the calf Rey beak.

706
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like you do not want that. You can't

707
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: because like Jamar Chase might be the best receiver in football.

708
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: And Joe Burrow now going into his third game since

709
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: coming back, like, he looked good against the Ravens week one,

710
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: look even better last week in the snow in Buffalo.

711
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: To pick six that decided the game.

712
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, they put up a lot of points.

713
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: They put him ai that was a big play. They

714
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: put up a lot of points, Yes they did. He

715
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: looked good for the vast majority of that game. Yes,

716
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: And so I think that it's gonna be another really

717
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: tough assignment. One note on that that that's worth mentioning,

718
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: UH for relationship to the Bengals is t Higgins, who

719
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: did not play against the Bengals because if he did

720
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: not play against the Ravens on Thanksgiving because of concussion,

721
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: he is back in concussion protocol, went into the Blue

722
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: Tent and just checked out in the game, but then

723
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: came back and then on Monday goes into concussion protocol

724
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: for the Bengals. So his status is very much up

725
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: in the air. He's got two concussions over the course

726
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: of a month. I would think he's pretty unlikely to

727
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 3: play in this game against the Ravens.

728
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: And Trey Hendrickson, who also didn't play on Thanksgiving, has

729
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: now had season ending surgery or muscle surgery exactly, so

730
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: he's done for the rest of the year. Yeah.

731
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: So the Ravens have four games left, they're gonna win

732
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: the division. You can play, you can you can get

733
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: into all these different scenarios. Here's an easy one. If

734
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: the Ravens went out, they win the division. That's correct, Like,

735
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: that's make it easy for the math people out there, like,

736
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: just win all four games and you win the division.

737
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: We all know how good are math, is right, we

738
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 2: like that kind of math.

739
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: Now beyond that, you you at a minimum, we're gonna

740
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: have to win your two games in the AFC North.

741
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: They have two games left.

742
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: You don't have to, Okay, So what's the I guess,

743
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: there's I guess if the bank, if the Steelers, Yeah,

744
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: that's like you play. There's seven different ways that the

745
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: Ravens can get in and still be AFC North champions,

746
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: I should say. And a lot of winning out is

747
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: the best winning three of four, including against the division

748
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: rivals to your point, and then you would need the

749
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: Steelers to win one of their other three or lose

750
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: one of their other three.

751
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: Games.

752
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they play against the Miami defense who have won

753
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: four straight, the Detroit Lions in Detroit, very good, talented team,

754
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: and they play on the road against the Cleveland Browns, who,

755
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: by the way, their defense looked bad against the Titans, surprisingly,

756
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: but s Sanders put off some numbers and it's gonna

757
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: be the Browns starter for the rainder of the season.

758
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Like playing in Cleveland if Sanders is playing well in

759
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: their defense. Not not a GiMA game. That's not a

760
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: gimme game. Detroit certainly not a gaming game, and neither

761
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: is Miami on Monday Night football, it's in Pittsburgh. But

762
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: like Miami's playing ball and so so. Yeah, If the

763
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: Ravens win three of four, including both games against their

764
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: division rivals the Bengals and Week eighteen in Pittsburgh, and

765
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: the Steelers lose one of their other three games, Ravens

766
00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: are division champions. If the Ravens beat their division rivals

767
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: but don't beat Green Bay or New England, right, so

768
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: you beat you win two of the next four, then

769
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: the Steelers would need to lose two of those other

770
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: three games. Possible, possible, they could lose Miami. Whatever, we

771
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: just went through it Okay, you win, they they still could.

772
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's going to say it's a must win against the Bengals,

773
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: which I mostly agree with. Yeah, technically it's not, huh okay.

774
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: So if the Ravens were to lose the Bengals then

775
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: win the final three, the Steelers would need to lose

776
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. It would only take us loss to the

777
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: to the Browns, right, the Ravens would have to beat

778
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: the Steelers, and if the Steelers lost to the Browns,

779
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: Ravens division champs, or the Steelers would have to lose

780
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: against both the Dolphins and Lions.

781
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: Possible. Okay, I'll lose out.

782
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: Just what's the scenario? How about Steelers lose out? Can

783
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 3: we go to that scenario?

784
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say the raven The

785
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Ravens can get in at seven and ten, they can

786
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: win the division at seven and ten. Alright, I mean

787
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: I don't over see that. Yeah, I don't mind if

788
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: that anyway. So I'm not gonna say I don't want

789
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: to see that happen. It's not the easiest way in,

790
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: but I'll take it. I'm just I'm not going to

791
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: go through all of them. But there's other ways in it. Eight.

792
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: There's ways in it at obviously, if you went out

793
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: you're ten and seven, you can get in at nine

794
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: and eight multiple ways. You can get in multiple ways

795
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: at eight and nine. You can even get in at

796
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: seven and ten, and so there's enough paths here for

797
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: the Ravens.

798
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I question is seven and ten and eight nine

799
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: pass are pretty unlikely to me, I think it was

800
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: pretty highly unlikely. I don't think seven and ten obviously

801
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: is very highly Yeah, I think I don't think are

802
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: going to finish eight nine.

803
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: You don't think they'll lose two more of the rest away,

804
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: including one to the to the Ravens.

805
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: Right, I think I think that they're going to I mean, look,

806
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: how many times have you heard the stat over the

807
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: course of time that they've never had they've never had

808
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: a losing season.

809
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

810
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel there's twenty year body of evidence that

811
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: they're not going to have a losing season. I feel

812
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: four games left where they are, I don't think that

813
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: they would.

814
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: I think that there's I think that there's a pretty

815
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: decent chance that the Steelers lose one of three to

816
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Lions, Browns. Okay, the Ravens that then have

817
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: to beat the Steelers in week eighteen. So I think

818
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: that there's like actually a decent shot that the Ravens

819
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: could get in.

820
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: At nine and eight.

821
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.

822
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

823
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: Unlikely, Yeah, unlikely, But the Ravens have pads, right, and

824
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: and like you said at the inning, they still control

825
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: their own destiny.

826
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 2: It's up to them. You go out there and win. Baby,

827
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: You're good, You're You're in. And so the question is

828
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: can they do that at this point?

829
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: Right, we have a lot of weeks of football played here,

830
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: and the Ravens have not including back to back losses

831
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: at home to your division rivals in which they haven't

832
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: played a complete game. They really haven't played a complete

833
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: game all season, right, where like all three facets are

834
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: doing well and so like, and and the Ravens schedule

835
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: is tough.

836
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: You lost to both these division rivals at home. Now

837
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: you gotta beat him on the road.

838
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: Plus you have the New England Patriots, who are gunning

839
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: for the number one seed. Have been really when you

840
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: look at the across the NFL, the Patriots have been

841
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: the most consistent team in the league.

842
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might be the best team, They might be

843
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 3: the best team in the league.

844
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: They but they're they're on a ten game winning streak,

845
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: I believe, so gonna be tough. That game, by the way,

846
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: has been flexed to Sunday Night football. Was going to

847
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: be a one o'clock kickoff here at MPT Banks team

848
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: now on Sunday Night football.

849
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: I think that's to the Ravens advantage.

850
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: Honestly, we all know what the night game atmosphere is, like,

851
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: Drake may second your quarterback. Now you're on primetime. Baltimore's rocking,

852
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: better be rocking, Like that's gonna be a big time

853
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: awesome game. Yeah, I think that helps the Ravens a

854
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: little bit. And then out in Green Bay, I mean, goodness, Grace,

855
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers are really good and winning in

856
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: Lambeau in late December tough, and so Ravens have the

857
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: work cutout for him. There are their talent, as we've

858
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: been saying all season long, they're talented enough to do it,

859
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: but you gotta do it, you gotta put together and

860
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: like that's there's been a disconnect there.

861
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: They haven't put it all together.

862
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll see, of course, how all of this

863
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: plays out. As always, you can email us at the

864
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. We appreciate you

865
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: emailing and listening to the show. Thank you so much,

866
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Speaker 3: and we'll be back with you again later this week.