1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Douglas Bain. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: Many of you know me as the off spoken about 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 2: heterosexual engineer of this podcast, the award winning and critically 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: acclaimed Lost Culture resta Us with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: It is my distinct honor and dare I say pleasure 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: to welcome you to part one of the nomination ceremony 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: for the upcoming highly anticipated Lost Cultureista US Culture Awards. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: I have been tossing and turning to my sleep for 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: weeks with excitement wildly flailing my arms concerning my wife 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: because I, like many of you readers, publicist katies and finalists, 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: know what a special night this will be. Join us 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: on Saturday, June seventeenth, seven thirty pm at Lincoln Center's 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Damn Rush part for an evening that will surely go 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: down in history if it's anything like last year's historic event. 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: It's also free and open to anyone, first come, first serve. 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: For spot hosting again this year are the Lost Culture 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Resist Themselves Saturday Night Live icon perennial Emmy nominee and 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 2: star of the upcoming worldwide phenomenon, Wicked Bowen Yang and 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: Matt Rogers, who has seen a lot of Broadway this year, 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: just Ahead, Bowen and Matten asked the first third of 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: the nominees eligible to win the Iconic Cult in one 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: hundred categories. Be sure to tune in next Friday for 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: more nominees, and the following Friday for the nomination combination. 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: Well that's more than enough of me. Let's bring in 25 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: the host and begin the process. Bowen, Matt. 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: Morning, Matt, Good morning Bowen. So great to be with 27 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: you for another year. And it's good to see you. 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: Let's get started. It's great to see you. I'm excited. 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: In the category of Biggest Jester, the nominees are Kirsten 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: Cinema New York Times is Anti trans looking ass The 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: Joker on the Joker Card Deck of Cards, and Lady 32 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: Gaga as Harley Quinn. These are the nominees for Biggest Chester. 33 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 4: In the category of Biggest Flop, the nominees are Fournet's 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: and Orlando Truth Tellers, Tanya mccoyd, The White Lotus, Jenny 35 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: Thomas and while We're at It, Clarence Too, and Water 36 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 4: World starring Kevin Costner. These are the nominees for Biggest Flop. 37 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: In the category of Biggest Chester Flop, The nominees are 38 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: Tom Sandoval, Tom Schwartz, Lydia Tar, George Santos and Kitara Ravace. 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: These are the nominees for Biggest Jester Flop. 40 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 4: In the category of Biggest Jester Flop in the Clown Square, 41 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 4: the nominees are Elon Musk Twitter, The Green Eyed Bandits, 42 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: The Real Housewives of Potomac and at Large, The Studios 43 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: who Will Not Give the WGA a Fair Deal, Raquel 44 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: Rachel Levis and Tucker Carlson. These are the nominees for 45 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 4: Biggest Jester flopp in the Clown Square. 46 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: In the category of Biggest Night of Our Lives, the 47 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: nominees are Tonight at the Lost Culture Reestas Cultural Awards, 48 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: the OSCARS, When a Fag sees Adele Las Vegas Youth 49 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: Group lock In and Date Night with the Love of 50 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: My Life Michael, Love You Baby. 51 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: These are the nominees for Biggest Night of Our Lives. 52 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: In the category of Finalist of the Year, the nominees 53 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: are Darcy Cardon, Chapel Roone, Betty Gilpin, Melanie Lynsky and Olympians. 54 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: These are the nominees for Finalist of the Year. 55 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: In the category of Melanie Lynsky Award for Most Sweetest Person. 56 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: The nominees are Sammy Sweetheart, mtvs, Jersey Shore Toad, Nintendo, 57 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 3: can't remember her name but that Girl from the Other Night, 58 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: and Drew Barrymore. These are the nominees for the Melanie 59 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: Lynsky Award for Most Sweetest Person. 60 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: In the category of Free Them Award for Criminal who 61 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: Should Be Free, the nominees are Her, the Girls Locked 62 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: Up at the End of Pirates of the Caribbean Ride, 63 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: Elizabeth Liz Holmes, and Han Solo. These are the nominees 64 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: for the Freeedom Award for Criminal who should be Free. 65 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: In the category of the Free Willie Award for Animal Achievement, 66 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 3: the nominees are Jenny the Donkey, the Band She of 67 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 3: In Is, Sharon, Mickey Mouse, Tortoises All and the cast 68 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: of The Secret Life of Pets. These are the nominees 69 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: for the Free Willie Award for Animal Achievement. 70 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: In the category of the Denise Richards Drop Dead Gorgeous 71 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 4: Line Reading Award, the nominees are She's Skinny, Ember Not Deaf, 72 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 4: Denise Richards Lights Camera, and Me without a stitch of 73 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 4: makeup on. Denise Richards Can't take My Eyes Off of You, 74 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 4: Denise Richards and you had Me at Hello, Renees Elwiger. 75 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: These are the These. 76 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: Are the nominees for the Denise Richards to Drop Dead 77 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 4: Gorgeous Line Reading Award. 78 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: In the category of Best Skill to Have, the nominees 79 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: are Drew Barrymore, Impression, Remembers Names, changing attire, fierce runway 80 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: walk and a sense of Play. 81 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: These are the nominees for Best Skill to Have. 82 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: In the category of Diva Down Award, Person Who Fell 83 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 4: Hard Award, the nominees are Jason Derulo, Grape Stump Woman, 84 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 4: Tony mccoyd, The White Lotus, and Nazi Mama from Indiana Jones. 85 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: These are the nominees for Diva Down Award, Person Who 86 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: Fell Hard Award. 87 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: In the category of Best Religion, the nominees are Mormon 88 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: two point zero, The School of Life, Long Form, Improv 89 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: comedy and whatever gives People Meaning. These are the nominees 90 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: for Best Religon Jim. 91 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: In the category of Best Religious Practice, the nominees are Kneeling, 92 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: Anything with Water, Prayer, Zip Zip zop, and Breath. These 93 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: are the nominees for Best Religious Practice. 94 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: In the category of Most Amazing Impact in Film, the 95 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: nominees are pas b Camera Grip, Margot Robbie, Diane Warren 96 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: and Megan. These are the nominees for Most Amazing Impact 97 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: in Film. 98 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: In the category of they Should be an Actor Award 99 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 4: for Non Actor but should, the nominees are Congresswoman Alexandria 100 00:07:53,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 4: Ocasio Cortez, Sonny Houston, doctor Nicole Martin, The Real Housewives 101 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 4: of Miami, All Children Not Already Acting, and Malala. These 102 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: are the nominees for They Should be an Actor Award 103 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: for not Actor but should. 104 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: In the category of Alison Williams Cool Girl Award, the 105 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: nominees are Ariana Maddox, Ariana Grande, Daisy Duck, Elizabeth Olsen 106 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: and Zendaya. These are the nominees for the Alison Williams 107 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: Cool Girl Award. 108 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 4: In the category of Hunger Games Award for Best Huge Franchise, 109 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: the nominees are The Fast and the Furious Avatar, Mario 110 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: oh Oreo Cookies. 111 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: And McDonald's. 112 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 4: These are the nominees for Hunger Games Award for Best 113 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: Huge frinch. 114 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: In the category of Santa Award for Being Unforgettable, the 115 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: nominees are Sasha the Lore, Sasha Colby, Sasha Obama, Malia Obama, 116 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: and Breathe by Faith Hill. These are the nominees for 117 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: the Santa Award for being Unforgettable. 118 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 4: In the category of Best Holiday Fixed Date, the nominees 119 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: are Christmas Eve, Christmas Days four twenty Leapy, Your Baby 120 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 4: Birthday and September fourth b Day. 121 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: These are the nominees for best Holiday Fixed Date. 122 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: In the category of Best Holiday Changing Date, the nominees 123 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: are Memorial Day, Thanksgiving, Passover, Pizza Night, and Personal Day. 124 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: These are the nominees for best Holiday Changing Date. 125 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: In the category of Mother Award, the nominees are Kelly Clarkson, 126 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 4: Serree Fields, Moms All Across the World, Ava Max, Kiki Palmer, 127 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: Padme Lakshmi, Top Chef, Jennifer Lopez, The Mother, Jennifer Lawrence, Mother, 128 00:10:54,480 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: Edina Menzel and Regina Hall. These are the nominees for 129 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 4: Mother Award. 130 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: In the category of the Slouching Towards beth Lehem Award 131 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: for sheikhas Book to Hold, the nominees are The Chronicles 132 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: of Narnia, Prince Caspian by C. S. Lewis, Stories I 133 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: Only Tell My Friends, an autobiography by Rob Low attached 134 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: the new science of adult attachment and how it can 135 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: help you Find and Keep Love by Doctors, Open Book 136 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: by Jessica Simpson, and Game of Thrones. These are the 137 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: nominees for the Slouching Towards Bethlehem Award for Sheikha's Book 138 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: to Hold. 139 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: In the category of Megan Award for Serving Kunt, the 140 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 4: nominees are backup Dancers Rihanna, Super Bowl, EMTs, Black Pink, 141 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: Luer Croft, tomb Raader, and The Wga. These are the 142 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 4: nominees for Megan Award for Servant Kunt. 143 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: In the category of the Tom and Rita Couple Award, 144 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: the nominees are The Obamas, The Carters, Zoe Kazan and 145 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: Paul Dano, and the couples of Modern Family. These are 146 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: the nominees for the Tom and Rita Couple Award. 147 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 4: In the category of the shiv Roy Award for Best 148 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 4: Fake American Accent, the nominees are Melanie Lynsky All, Tony Collette, 149 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 4: The Sixth Sense, James McAvoy every now and Then, and 150 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 4: Tony Collette Hereditary. These are the nominees for the shiv 151 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 4: Roy Award for Best Fake American Accent. 152 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: In the category of Bridget Jones Award for Best Fake 153 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: British Accent, the nominees are Jillian Anderson, The Crown, Emma Stone, 154 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: The Favorite, Jillian Anderson, Sex Education, Alan tujik All and 155 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: Everyone doing their Sleigh Love Island Impressions aka when You 156 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: All say propa Chat. These are the nominees for the 157 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 3: Bridget Jones Award for Best Fake British Accent. 158 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 4: In the category of Biggest Current Threat to Us, the 159 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: nominees are Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana Grande, Wicked, Stradio Lab podcast, 160 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 4: The Fickle Nature of NYC Weather in June, Governors Across America, 161 00:13:54,520 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 4: and ourselves tbh. These are the nominees for Biggest Current 162 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 4: Threat to Us. 163 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: In the category of Scariest Moment in History, the nominees 164 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 3: are Hereditary, Lil Diva, Head come Off, the Big Bang 165 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: Jump Scare, when you see Mama you knew in college 166 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: on the street, what Cuban Missile Crisis, and saying I 167 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: love you to the one and you know you can 168 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: never go back. This will change things. These are the 169 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: nominees for Scariest Moment in History. 170 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: In the category of Education Award for Best School Subject, 171 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: the nominees are Yearbook, ap US History, precalc depending on teacher, 172 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 4: Drop Everything, and read and certainly not physics. Speaking as 173 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: queer people, these are the nominees for Education Award for 174 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 4: Best School Subjects. 175 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: In the category of Best Gay Guy Normal, the nominees 176 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: are a teacher, a nurse, a fireman, and just Moved 177 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: to the City. 178 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: These are the nominees for best Gay Guy Normal. 179 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 4: In the category of Best Gay Guy Famous, the nominees 180 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 4: are Andy Cohen, Anderson Cooper, Abraham Lincoln, and Bowen Yang. 181 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: Oh my God, congratulate, thank you, thank you. These are 182 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: the nominees for Best Gay Guy Famous. 183 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: In the category of Best Gay Guy Somewhere in Between, 184 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: the nominees are Jimmy Fowley, Pat Reagan, Governor, Jared Polis, 185 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 3: and Matt Rogers. 186 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: Congratulations. 187 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: These are the nominees for Best Gay Guy somewhere in Between. 188 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 4: In the category of Diplo Award for LGBTQ, the nominees 189 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: are Haley Kyoko, Poppy Juice, Jesse Ware, Josh Sharp and 190 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: Aaron Jackson and RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars. These are 191 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: the nominees for Diplo Award for LGBTQ. 192 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: In the category of the Rosalia Award for Best Outdoor 193 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: Live Performance, the nominees are Diana Ross Rain, Shakespeare in 194 00:16:53,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: the Park, These Cruss Punks pretending they don't have Daddy money, Houston, 195 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: Star Spangled Banner, super Bowl, and Rosalia Coachella. These are 196 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 3: the nominees for the Rosalia Award for Best Outdoor Live Performance. 197 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: In the category of the Kimberly Akimbo Award for Best 198 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 4: Indoor Live Performance, the nominees are Titanique Parade, Beyonce, Ring 199 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 4: the Alarm two thousand and six Video Music Awards, Kate Berland, 200 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 4: Kate and Lady Gaga. On any existing Awards show, including 201 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 4: Joe Calderone, these are the nominees for the Kimberly Akimbo 202 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 4: Award for Best Indoor Live Performance. 203 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: Tune in next week for the continuation of the Last 204 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: Culturesa's Culture Award Nomination special. 205 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: Until then,