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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stephan

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Speaker 1: Never told you a protection of iHeartRadio. And welcome to

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Speaker 1: another sub sub sub segment of fictional women around the world.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I've missed y'all.

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Speaker 1: Ah, well you've come back for one. That's You're You're

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Speaker 1: just gonna have a great time of me talking at you.

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Speaker 1: But the character's name is Samantha. That was not a purpose,

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Speaker 1: but it is true.

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Speaker 2: We're all the best.

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Speaker 1: She went by sam which I'm going to talk about

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Speaker 1: later because I think they did that on purpose to

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Speaker 1: make her more masculine. But anyway, Yes, today we are

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Speaker 1: talking about Samantha Carter from the show Stargate SG one,

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Speaker 1: although she was in all of the other shows as well.

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Speaker 1: So a brief history about me with this show and Samantha.

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Speaker 1: You actually got to witness some of this before I

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Speaker 1: think you knew what was going on. I had a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge crush on the character Daniel Jackson from that show, huge,

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Speaker 1: and he was at He was one of two characters

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Speaker 1: I think the first year you came. Oh and I

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Speaker 1: was dressed at disco Luke, and remember I was like,

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Speaker 1: I made eye contact. And then the other guy I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had no idea who you were talking about,

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Speaker 3: and I just nodded a lot, yes, but you were there.

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Speaker 2: That was I was present for the actor.

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Speaker 1: Played Daniel Jackson was there and I did my best

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Speaker 1: to keep my cool and my disco Luke outfit. I

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Speaker 1: when I was looking this up, I rewatched this show

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Speaker 1: I think seven or eight years ago, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: like the freshest and the most up to date. I

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Speaker 1: or as an insult. I don't know, but I need

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Speaker 1: to go back watch it, I know.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm gonna say I know nothing about the show,

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Speaker 3: Like I can't even tell you who was in it.

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Speaker 2: So I know, I know, Like I know so little.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the movie?

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Speaker 2: I didn't know there was a movie. That's how little

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Speaker 2: I know. Okay, okay, I'm it on this journey with me.

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Speaker 1: So this show was on Showtime when I was growing

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Speaker 1: up but it would replay on in my where I

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Speaker 1: was Fox five at three AM, and I would come.

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Speaker 1: I would sneak down the stairs because my TV didn't

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Speaker 1: but with subtitles, and I would just watch it. And

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Speaker 1: I did this for years of my life. And I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure my parents knew what I was doing, but

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Speaker 1: in my mind they had no idea.

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Speaker 2: We're so sneaky.

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Speaker 1: I was so sneaky, and I just do this. This

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Speaker 1: was like what I did. That's how I watched it.

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Speaker 1: I still quote this show all of the time and

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Speaker 2: I love it. I would never know, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I've tried to be subtle about this story

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Speaker 1: I can forgive, but I could never forget. Quote as

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Speaker 1: the Sioux used to say, today is a good day

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Speaker 1: Also, my mom once walked in at the worst part.

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Speaker 1: all right, today we are talking about Samantha Carter played

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Speaker 1: by Amanda Tapping, who was first introduced in Stargate SG one,

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Speaker 1: which is a sci fi military television show that ran

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Speaker 1: Supernatural in terms of genre bending. There's a time travel episode.

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Speaker 1: There's a separate Groundhog Day episode. There's a mental illness

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Speaker 2: So okay.

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Speaker 1: The movie, which by the way, has like James Vader

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Speaker 2: They recast them.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Samantha Carter, this character was not in the movie.

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Speaker 1: In the nineteen ninety four movie, she was in all

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Speaker 1: subsequent Stargates. She won movies, including the first one that

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