Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorne Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3: Melro's Minute Goals.
Speaker 1: We're bad.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of time, Ladies. Some stuff happened
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 1: It did happen this week. So Molrow's has been a
Speaker 1: bit in the news because Kristin Davis on her podcast
Speaker 1: talked about pressure to be thin on Molrow's Place. Mm hmmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious. Did you experience anything like pressure
Speaker 1: to be thin in Hollywood?
Speaker 3: I'm just curious about you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm starting to learn your sarcasm. Court Gold, you
Speaker 2: love shooting dancing scenes.
Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, and you're like, I hate it.
Speaker 2: Didn't we as young actresses get pressure to stay thin?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, No, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Somebody said to me. She was talking about pressure to
Speaker 1: stay thin on Melow's Place, and I thought, and when
Speaker 1: I read closer, it wasn't overt pressure. It was that
Speaker 1: she felt the pressure because she got into this world
Speaker 1: where everyone looked thin and fit, and there's pressure, there's
Speaker 1: a tension on you. There's a lot of soul actress.
Speaker 1: She was an actress, so there were a couple of
Speaker 1: things who said things. We can get to that in
Speaker 1: a minute, but I think that's how it felt, right
Speaker 1: Like I don't think anyone ever said to me you
Speaker 1: need to be thin, but there was this competition and
Speaker 1: this sense in the press, and when you're going to fittings,
Speaker 1: like imagine going to fittings and standing in front of
Speaker 1: a big mirror and have them put clothes on you
Speaker 1: several times a week. It's psychological like And when I
Speaker 1: was thinner. It's interesting because even though when I was
Speaker 1: really dieting, had thought about food all the time, I
Speaker 1: didn't have to think about it when I was working.
Speaker 1: So it was like which devil do you pick? Do
Speaker 1: you pick the devil where you're constantly dieting and exercising.
Speaker 1: And I do remember that as a big part of
Speaker 1: Mero's place, right Like I would wake up no matter
Speaker 1: what my call time was, it was six. I woke
Speaker 1: up at four. I had a big cup of coffee,
Speaker 1: and I exercised, and I remember being very aware of everything.
Speaker 1: I ate it exhausting.
Speaker 3: Of course that was the era.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a particular business, like what other what other
Speaker 4: industry and what other business is gonna, you know, make
Speaker 4: women feel even more pressure to to be a certain
Speaker 4: way or certain shape or certain size.
Speaker 3: I mean, then we're doing it.
Speaker 2: We're yeah, we're doing it on camera, and we're we're.
Speaker 4: Faced with it in the mirror, and it's like, it's
Speaker 4: just a particular business. It's not it's not the healthiest
Speaker 4: you know, mindset for any of us.
Speaker 2: Listen, guys, I'm pulling up Kristin Davis what she actually said,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure it was the producers.
Speaker 3: I think it may have been a co star of ours.
Speaker 2: That made her all neurotic. If you can guess, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give you one guess. Is too freaked Kristin Davis
Speaker 2: out about her weight on our show? Would it be
Speaker 2: Heather No, No, Doug No, I mean Grant Andrew never.
Speaker 3: Who does that leave Thomas Collabora. Okay, now tell us
Speaker 3: tell us what was saying.
Speaker 2: Well, her memory was that Thomas Collabora said, hey, Kristen,
Speaker 2: I think you look great, and she's like, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I know the producers are really worried,
Speaker 3: but I think it's great that we have a woman
Speaker 3: with curves.
Speaker 1: Oh, which I really should be a compliment, but it's not.
Speaker 1: I honestly think he meant it as a compliment. But
Speaker 1: I think that I honestly think he twisted it.
Speaker 3: I don't know effing way.
Speaker 4: Come on, Well, Thomas has a way of putting his
Speaker 4: foot in his mouth. But I think you're probably right, Cord.
Speaker 4: He probably meant it as a compliment, but it's like
Speaker 4: a little bit of like foot in his mouth.
Speaker 3: Collabra. You guys are so she was very thin.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting about it, right, We get so warped,
Speaker 1: and I think it's hard for people to really understand,
Speaker 1: Like you hear TV puts on ten pounds, TV puts
Speaker 1: on ten pounds, I can't. My girlfriends used to get
Speaker 1: so mad because I they knew that I was always
Speaker 1: way too aware of dieting and exercise. I talked a
Speaker 1: lot about it in the nineties, and I remember you
Speaker 1: would come up to me all the time and say
Speaker 1: to me, oh my god, TV really does put on
Speaker 1: ten pounds.
Speaker 2: Random.
Speaker 1: So when you're getting that message as you're walking through
Speaker 1: the street, it was so crazy making because just when
Speaker 1: I sort of get calm and quiet the noise in
Speaker 1: my head, some stranger would walk up to me and say, wow,
Speaker 1: you look so much bigger on TV, and my heart
Speaker 1: would just sink.
Speaker 3: And no, they said it nicely.
Speaker 2: This is what they always said, at least this is
Speaker 2: what I heard. You look so much thinner in person,
Speaker 2: or you look so much prettier in person, or you
Speaker 2: look so much you know, I'm like, thank you, you're
Speaker 2: one person.
Speaker 3: Those millions of people that are.
Speaker 1: Seeing me are like up right really spread the word
Speaker 1: either way.
Speaker 4: It's either word or bit of a backhanded compliment, right,
Speaker 4: like you can't sort of shake that. I mean, I
Speaker 4: remember like feeling when I got on like, oh, I
Speaker 4: was just like kind of a regular shape, Like I
Speaker 4: wasn't really conscious of, you know, being super thinner or
Speaker 4: super fit whatever, but.
Speaker 2: Being around other women who.
Speaker 4: I really was like, oh my god, Josie Beuse that
Speaker 4: is the most beautiful and so she's a model both
Speaker 4: then and she's got legs for days, and like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, I am not shaped like that at all,
Speaker 4: and I can I just never can be, you know,
Speaker 4: So just deciding that all right, I'm just gonna have
Speaker 4: to find a way to be okay with the shape
Speaker 4: of my body that has curves on the side, even
Speaker 4: though I'm a small person, like I still have like
Speaker 4: all those things that you nitpick about yourself.
Speaker 3: I mean I felt like that television show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my clothes were all baggy and stuff, like she
Speaker 2: would have these drawstring pants.
Speaker 3: And when I started, I think I was a size
Speaker 3: six four or six. But this is don't forget.
Speaker 2: This is the air they introduced, like zero, Like what
Speaker 2: does that even mean? Zero? Like negative small, you know,
Speaker 2: extra extra small, that kind of thing. It was really
Speaker 2: the air of skinny, and I just remember going, I
Speaker 2: can't apparently I can't be a six anymore.
Speaker 3: I have to be a four.
Speaker 2: So I remember that kind of like the numbers that
Speaker 2: you guys are talking about Courtney in my mind, you.
Speaker 4: Know those numbers like are they're they're different for every
Speaker 4: brand and whatever, Like just you know, to say you're
Speaker 4: a zero it means something.
Speaker 3: Every brand is different anyway. Like it's just, oh, it's
Speaker 3: just so much. How do you guys feel about it now?
Speaker 3: Like how do you relate to it? Deal with it?
Speaker 3: Think about it now?
Speaker 2: You've we've mentioned before Courtney, and not as tough on yourself.
Speaker 1: Or oh my god, by the grace of God, I
Speaker 1: don't have that anymore. It was so painful. I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, so for me when I finally decided to
Speaker 1: leave Melrose Place and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank god, I finally get to relax and just like
Speaker 1: be in my body.
Speaker 3: And then I was on ale Mcfeel.
Speaker 1: Which is even more oh my god heart. And what
Speaker 1: really like shifted my thinking and made me really start
Speaker 1: to get help around it was I was featured an
Speaker 1: article about thin actresses and how they were impacting young
Speaker 1: women and impacting their body image. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: because I was beating myself up. And then when I
Speaker 1: had the reality of oh my god, I thought this
Speaker 1: was like a private battle. When I realized it was
Speaker 1: impacting young women, that's why I thought, okay, I've got
Speaker 1: to get this straightened out.
Speaker 2: Well, also, you think it's private, you think it's just
Speaker 2: you and you're the person wrong. You can't stay a
Speaker 2: size to you, and now it's.
Speaker 3: All in your head.
Speaker 2: And then you realize you know you because you're on
Speaker 2: TV or you impress, you make an impression on women
Speaker 2: watching you, young actresses, young people watching you, but also
Speaker 2: all of us in our own heads. There wasn't like,
Speaker 2: you know, meetings or support a lot. Yet we all
Speaker 2: feel so alone in that battle and not anymore.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it was exactly. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a private battle and it wasn't. And it's you know,
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things about eating disorders is the
Speaker 1: first the most important indicator of eating disorder is the
Speaker 1: first diet. So it's that first time when you start
Speaker 1: to starve yourself. And what basically I did, and this
Speaker 1: is but I stopped dieting. I started listening to my
Speaker 1: body and it was so scary at first. I stopped
Speaker 1: compulsive exercise because the thing about eating disorders that I
Speaker 1: don't think people talk about enough is that they morph. So,
Speaker 1: you know, and I had a drinking problem, it was easy.
Speaker 1: I had a drinking problem. It was obviously. I stopped
Speaker 1: drinking and haven't had a drink in almost thirty four years.
Speaker 1: That was easy. But when with eating disorders, it morphed.
Speaker 1: So first it was starving and then I go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's then it was over exercising. Then it was messing
Speaker 1: with every new diet like so many of these like
Speaker 1: healthy diets that people do. I look at it and go,
Speaker 1: that's disordered eating. Like if anybody cuts out an entire
Speaker 1: food group, that's unsustainable.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like, ultimately, because I've done all that,
Speaker 2: diet's anorexic, I stopped eating. I had hair falling out.
Speaker 2: This is before Melrose. This is ten years before Melrose.
Speaker 2: You know, the hair falling out, losing the period, having
Speaker 2: no energy, all of that. But I feel that at
Speaker 2: the core of it is the sense of self your
Speaker 2: self love. You really, you're just comfortable beating yourself up,
Speaker 2: starving yourself, depriving yourself. And two books that I read
Speaker 2: that I really loved was Janine raw I loved Food
Speaker 2: Is Love. That was amazing.
Speaker 3: She's amazing.
Speaker 2: And then I also read The Only Diet There Is
Speaker 2: and I gave it to my girlfriend and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to read it because the word diet's
Speaker 2: in it and the word die is in diet.
Speaker 3: But I said, you've got to read it. It was
Speaker 3: about love and it was.
Speaker 2: The first time I started to see every time, what
Speaker 2: is my thought process about deprivation, about not eating?
Speaker 3: What am I saying to myself?
Speaker 2: It's gets you more in touch with your negative self
Speaker 2: talk as opposed to your self love. And when you
Speaker 2: have a stronger sense of self love and habits that
Speaker 2: support that, it doesn't mean you're going to gain weight.
Speaker 3: It means you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna probably make choices that make you feel good. But
Speaker 2: you love yourself as opposed to being that size too
Speaker 2: and being scared and not liking yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the starving leads to the binging, leads to the
Speaker 1: it's the whole process.
Speaker 3: So it's learning.
Speaker 1: It is that self life of learning when you're hungry
Speaker 1: and feeding yourself until you're satisfied. It's that cycle of
Speaker 1: if you're starving and limiting and restricting, there's always going
Speaker 1: to be a price to pay, even if it's just
Speaker 1: you go through your life starving. Right, Like, it's really
Speaker 1: hard to understand when you're in that because you think, well, wait,
Speaker 1: my body needs to look this way for me to
Speaker 1: feel good. When you start saying I want to feel good,
Speaker 1: When you start saying this food feels good, this food
Speaker 1: feeds me, then suddenly the unhealthy food isn't as appealing,
Speaker 1: not because it's bad and you're wrong to eat it,
Speaker 1: but because when you're coming from a place of self love,
Speaker 1: you're going to go what feels good to me.
Speaker 2: Not that you don't have treats.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you really should have treats sometimes, Like it's important,
Speaker 1: like Janine Roth says, which I love. So if you
Speaker 1: want a brownie because you're having a bad day, have
Speaker 1: a brownie, but sit down at the table and enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Don't go put down out of shame and then eat
Speaker 1: the pan of brownies because you didn't taste the first brownie,
Speaker 1: Like say, I'm going to consciously have this treat because
Speaker 1: i had a hard day. Okay, that's fine. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: also when you abandon yourself and leave your body so
Speaker 1: that you don't even get to enjoy it. I love
Speaker 1: that you talked about her.
Speaker 2: I love her so much.
Speaker 3: You also learn out of love as.
Speaker 2: Your needs and we used to when I was young,
Speaker 2: a young actress coming up in this business. And again
Speaker 2: i'd been working what for ten or eleven years before Melrose.
Speaker 3: But then you're doing it.
Speaker 2: You're in everybody's living room, so the pressure is really there.
Speaker 2: You don't know how to get needs met because you're insecure.
Speaker 2: You're you're afraid of talking to the boss, as you're
Speaker 2: afraid of talking to the boyfriend. You're not sure of
Speaker 2: what you need.
Speaker 3: And in this.
Speaker 2: Business, you know, because you really need to be a
Speaker 2: business person and.
Speaker 3: As an actress, and we're not taught that.
Speaker 2: So when you employ, when those needs are repressed, I
Speaker 2: would go to the food or the self control to
Speaker 2: manage those needs. And they cannot be met through eating.
Speaker 3: A bag of chips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be met taking the chance to
Speaker 2: voice your request, to voice your opinion, your feelings. And
Speaker 2: once those needs are met and you're doing it appropriately,
Speaker 2: you have the courage to do that out of self love,
Speaker 2: then you don't crave it that much because you're not
Speaker 2: imploding all those feelings.
Speaker 4: And these are all like pieces of wisdom that have
Speaker 4: come in time to like you guys are talking about
Speaker 4: all the things you've learned over the years, but like
Speaker 4: we're you know, we're also on this podcast, we're going
Speaker 4: back in time to who what our mindset was in
Speaker 4: our twenties, and it's just so much harder, I think
Speaker 4: when you're a young girl to have this sort of
Speaker 4: of course, you know, recognition of what's healthy, what's not.
Speaker 2: That's the great thing about getting older, guys, is experience
Speaker 2: and confidence, and I think taking the edge off things.
Speaker 2: It's not like wisdom, you know, think of this and that,
Speaker 2: or get afraid of this and that.
Speaker 3: But the edge has taken off for sure.
Speaker 1: I have no Like, if you look at the show
Speaker 1: and I look at I was, you know, twenty four.
Speaker 1: Look at say, even if I had been to say
Speaker 1: to myself, sweety, you're not the size of your body,
Speaker 1: I would have been like, how do you know? I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's true. And those voices were so loud
Speaker 1: and they were so overwhelming, and I couldn't say. I
Speaker 1: remember being on Alan McBeal and Lucy Lou who's super
Speaker 1: gorgeous and super healthy about everybody, came back from doing
Speaker 1: Charlie's Danels. She's like, oh my god, I'm too skinny.
Speaker 1: And I was like, excuse me, is that a thing?
Speaker 3: Is that a thing?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: How healthy that was that? She was like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't feel good.
Speaker 3: I'm too thin.
Speaker 1: And I literally I remember I still remember it right.
Speaker 4: That was like twenty nine pactful to hear that, yeah,
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 1: Was like, wow, and now I recognize that, Like if
Speaker 1: I'm stru someone who when I'm stressed, I don't eat.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's good anymore. I don't think it
Speaker 1: looks good. I don't buy clothes. I go, oh, this
Speaker 1: isn't healthy.
Speaker 3: I check in and then do you check in with yourself.
Speaker 3: What am I feeling? What's my stress?
Speaker 1: It's not a victory anymore, but that's I would rather
Speaker 1: be healthy now than thin, and that that shifts everything.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have enough of his self to even
Speaker 1: know that. As to your point, I didn't have enough
Speaker 1: self love to even know that because I thought, but
Speaker 1: what if I am the size of my body? What
Speaker 1: if that is the most important thing about me? Now
Speaker 1: I know it absolutely is not.
Speaker 2: But you're right, Laura.
Speaker 1: You have to grow up and mature and become more
Speaker 1: of a whole person to even understand that. We're so young.
Speaker 1: That's what's so heartbreaking about these young women who are
Speaker 1: suffering so great.
Speaker 3: Kristin Davis, we are with you. We hear you, girl, Yes,
Speaker 3: we love you.
Speaker 1: We wish you'd talk to us.
Speaker 4: We all were stressing. We had this wonderful conversation. But
Speaker 4: we would love to also have Kristin on our.
Speaker 3: Podcast something O. Yes, that would be great.
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