WEBVTT - Have Democrats Found Their Red State SAVIOR To Beat Republicans? w/ Rob Sand 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.240 Hello there, Welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.559 Whether you're watching on YouTube, listening on Spotify, Apple, or 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:12.920 wherever else you might listen, I appreciate you being there. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.040 And oh, by the way, I now have a free 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:21.480 weekly sub stack. It's got to lead item and column 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.759 in it every Tuesday. It's going to drop tuesdays, the 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:26.720 one day we don't drop the podcast. So that's you 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:28.880 see what we did there, So I hope you go 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.520 over there and subscribe to it. In fact, it's something 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.720 you've heard me dabble in before, but it's a more 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.919 thorough analysis of how fragile the two major parties are 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.880 in this moment. I think both the Democratic Party and 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.280 the Republican Party. You know, as divided as America is 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.600 between red and blue, right, we're polarized sort of between 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.200 two sides. The two actual political parties that represent red 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.320 and blue have never been weaker right and essentially more 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.240 and they've been dominated by cultural personality over the last 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.319 twenty years. When it just when it looks like they 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.319 need refurbishing, occult to personality rises up to sort of 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.320 paper over their problems. Think Barack Obama for the Democrats 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.600 or Donald Trump for the Republicans, and yet we are 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.399 watching around the world the movement where there's you know, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:18.440 we've seen this, there's clearly massive political realignment taking place globally. 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.760 And what I saw take place in the UK that 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.200 I brought up a while ago about what happened to 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.800 the Tories there the fact that they, at least in 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.360 these last elections were not treated like one of the 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.880 two major parties. If you did not if you wanted 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.520 to vote against labor, you didn't vote for the Tories. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.920 You voted for the Reform Party UK, the Nigel Farage Party, 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.600 if you will. And it's sort of a simple premise 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.520 to me, it's like, how weak are the two brands 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.280 of the major parties right now? Think about it this way. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.960 If Donald Trump said today, we're going to disband the 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.720 Republican Party and replace it with the MAGA with a 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.360 new political party, the MAGA Party, who's with me, I'm 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.840 going to guess seventy percent of the elected Republicans would 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.480 sign up for the new party, and suddenly you would 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:10.760 have a complete exodus from the official club known as 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:16.040 the Republican Party. Similarly, if Pete Boutagic, Andy Basheer Gretchen 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.000 Whitmer AOC banded together and said, you know what, the 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.880 Democratic brand is broken. It is a mess. It doesn't 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.480 you know, it's not what it used to be. We 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.080 need a new left of center party in this country 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:33.000 that is focused on preserving the democracy and expanding and 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.920 thriving and updating it. We need a modern version of this. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.440 So we're going to start a new party. And you know, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.560 it's sort of like taking the Donald Trump Nafta approach, right, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.400 which is, can't stand nafta. So here's the new NAFTA. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.520 I got rid of NAFTA because we don't call it 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.079 NAFTA anymore. But he kept NAFTA, he just renamed it, right. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.520 That is, that is arguably how badly the two brands 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.440 are feeling these days, and how easily they could be 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.320 rebranded into a new party. And the fact is, when 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:10.480 I give you those two potential outcomes of how fragile 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.560 the two major parties really are, the only thing that 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.560 keeps them afloat is the duopoly they have on ballid 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.240 access in the fifty States. If they didn't have this 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.720 duopoly of ballid access, one or both of these parties 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.640 would have probably disappeared at least a couple of decades ago. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.600 But because of the vehicle that they are for ballot 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:35.640 access that actually is connected to my guest today, Rob 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.680 sand the newest candidate for governor in the state of Iowa. 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.520 He's basically the Democrats great hope for winning statewide in 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.839 an actual red state. And I'll get more into Rob 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.080 sand in a minute. He's currently a statewide elect, the 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.320 only statewide elected Democrat in the state of Iowa. He's 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.400 been the state auditor for two years and Democrats have 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.560 been waiting for him, essentially to finally take the next step, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.320 whether it was for a Senate seat or a good 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.400 natorial seat. And you will hear why he's a Democrat, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.480 and it's simply because there is no other alternative. If 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.080 being an independent were a viable alternative, it sounds like 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.560 he would be there. And it's for me a reminder 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.479 of how fragile I think both parties are these days. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:25.040 The Democratic brand is so bad in some places, that is, 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.920 it is more appealing to some Democrats to run as 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.479 an independent. Take the newest candidate for governor in the 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:37.000 state of Florida, Jason Pizzo, Do realize he was the 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.640 Democratic leader in the state Senate in fact, just a 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.560 couple of weeks ago. So here he is technically a 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:47.520 leader of the Florida Democratic Party deciding to abandon the party. Now, 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.680 some of that may be personal, some of that may 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.240 have to do with personality clashes with the current head 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.840 of the Florida Democratic Party. You know, there's a little 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.760 bit of finger pointing than you know, because if he 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.640 doesn't get his way, that's why he left the party. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.240 But the fact that he that he did, he has 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.919 some resources to do it. And I've told you I 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.479 think there's definitely Republican fatigue in the state of Florida, 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.320 a lot of dysantists fatigue in the state of Florida. 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.480 I don't know if the Democratic Party brand is strong 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.680 enough to take advantage of it, but I do know 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:21.600 if there's a strong independent candidate, it could. It's fascinating 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.599 to me that the potential leading Democrat in Florida decided 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.800 to run as an independent, this Jason Pizzo, and the 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.000 leading independent candidate, a former Republican congressman and lobbyist named 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.719 David Jolly, decided to become a Democrat and run for 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.160 governor that way. So it'll be really interesting to see 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.200 if you're trying to fix the Democratic Party brand, is 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.760 being a former Republican turned Democrat the way to go 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:46.160 as a way to sort of moderate Isaac or central centrism. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.320 It infused a little centrism in it and sort of 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:52.560 deleftify the brand in Florida left defy de leftified that 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.160 I inventor word there, or is it being a former 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.720 Democrat running as an independent? And in some ways we 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.560 were getting We're going to see both experience experiments take 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:07.080 place there on that front. In fact, I'm fascinated to 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.320 watch what's going on in some of the Senate races 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.640 in twenty twenty six. You know, you've got John Cornyn, 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.680 the incumbent Republican senator from Texas who's being primary by 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.919 the state attorney general. Ken paxident accident is very maga 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:26.359 was just like Donald Trump escaped an impeachment attempt. He 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:31.359 was impeached but not convicted narrowly. Remember Texa pretty Republican states, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.159 so quite a few Republicans voted to impeach him in 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.560 the state House, and quite a few Republicans voted to 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.720 convict him in the state Senate just not enough. So 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.480 you do have a pretty divided Republican Party. And it's 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.200 a fascinating problem that the National Republicans have with their 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.760 Texas primary. And this is actually a problem they're starting 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.640 to starting to percolate throughout the set, you know, as 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.160 more people debate. Is the Senate in play in twenty 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.640 twenty six for Democrats? The map's terrible for Democrats, but 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:04.719 Republican INFI could actually put more seats in play for them, 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.760 just and we've seen It's not as if this movie 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.280 hasn't played before in the theaters. Right. In twenty twenty, 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.000 Democrats overperformed in center races thanks to bad Republican nominees. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.120 In twenty twenty two, Democrats overperformed in center races thanks 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.440 to bad nominees. In twenty twenty four, Democrats overperformed in 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:25.280 Senate races thanks to what say it with me? Bad 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.480 nominees on the Republican side of the aisle. So here 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.920 we go again. And so, if you're the National Republican 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:36.320 Party and your job is to prevent the Democrats from 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.480 winning the state of Texas, the best possible way to 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.680 do that is to ensure that John corn is the 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.720 Republican nominee. But what if John cornn is simply not 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:49.800 popular enough inside the Maga magafied version of the Republican 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.720 Party in the state of Texas to win that nomination 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:57.640 Ken Paxton, if he's a Republican nominee, is makes that 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.640 seat a lot more vulnerable to the Democrats winning. So 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.360 if you're the national Republicans, do you convince John Corny 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.200 to pull at Lisa Murkowski and just simply bolt the primary, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.920 run as an independent and try to win a three 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.400 way race in Texas? I know, on one hand, you 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.760 can think, well, that's crazy. On the other hand, John 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:18.880 Cornan the only shot he may have to win this 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.040 seat is if he leaves the Republican Party promises that 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.480 he will cauc us with the Republicans. Like Lisa Murkowski, right, 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.040 she knew she couldn't win a Republican primary in Alaska, 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.520 but she also knew she was more popular with independence 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.400 and with Democrats and with enough Republicans that she could 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.679 easily win a general and she did it as a 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.760 ride in and her last name is Murkowski. I still 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.840 always find that it's like, you know, why is she untouchable? 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.920 Why can't Trump get rid of her because she's so 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.920 politically popular in Alaska that with a Murkowski with a 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.880 three syllable last name that isn't quite easy to spell, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.400 she won us a ride in Okay. That's your mic drop, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.240 m u Rkowski. When you if your last name was 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.480 Smith and you ran as a ride in not that 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:10.079 impressive Markowski another story. So, which brings me back to Texas. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.920 I think the real dilemma there either they either because 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:16.840 I don't think Cornin is ever going to win this primary, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.559 and what it's going to take for him to win 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:22.160 this primary is probably going to divide the Republican Party 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.160 so much that it may it may become an untenable 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:31.800 situation in either direction. A three way race suddenly who 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.320 knows right? It may? It may, you know, I don't 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.880 think it works the way everybody thinks it works, that 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.920 two Republicans on the bat automatically will help the Democrat there. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.360 I don't think that's the case. I think Ken Paxton 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.800 would do more to get the Democrats a chance of 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.360 Texas than a three way race would. But that's the 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:54.320 type of conversation that I think Republicans should be having 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.000 with themselves in Washington. Of course, it all matters is 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.480 who's making these decisions. If this is Trump's polit team, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.400 well they'd rather have trumpy people. But if this is 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.520 say John Thune's political team and Tim Scott, who's the 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.360 current rs C chair, well they may have they may 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.520 have a different, different point of view. But I do 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.920 find what's happening in Texas now to be something that 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.439 it could lead to. You know, again, if Cornan's goal 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.680 is to win the Senate seat, it may be his 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.800 best path to win the Senate seats to leave the party, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.720 run as an independent and promise to caucus with the Republicans. 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.720 You can't just not. I do think that, you know, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.280 trying to keep your you know, if you don't, you 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.959 don't go promise to go there, then you would eliminate 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.640 potential Republicans that might vote for you. But I think 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.240 that would likely be and especially Colin Allred's the Democratic nominee. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.560 Colin Allred ran a race that basically said, hey, I'm 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.240 a John Cornyan Democrat. You know, all he did was 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.440 praise John Cornyan. So I think he'd have a harder 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:58.120 time being able to differentiate himself from Cornyan, and Cornyn 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:03.240 may may actually benefit from having having a third candidate 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.440 in the race that's done nothing but praise him. So 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.120 it is, it is I think something worth watching there 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.400 is I've you know, I have a few other campaign 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.600 nuggets I want to share North You know, the Republican 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.520 Party is dealing with too many crowded primaries. With the 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.800 Senate races. We talked about Texas, there's North Carolina where 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:25.240 now Laura Trump is once again thinking about wanting to 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:29.440 be in the Senate. Maybe she primaries Tom Tillis. Tom 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.840 Tillis is somebody who's who's seen is quite vulnerable to 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.600 the MAGA wing of the Republican Party. He's another one 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:42.800 where is Pat McCrory's experience not being able to come 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.840 even close to beating Ted Budd. He was the non 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.200 Maga Republican. Ted Budd was the Trump endorsed candidate, and 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:53.360 we saw what happened there. If Tillis, you know, is 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.680 it in the best interest of the Republican Party in 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.840 the Senate, if they're trying to keep that receipt to 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.440 have Tom Tillis run as an independent. He's another one. Again, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.920 the ballot access laws are not easy in North Carolina. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.120 Ditto with Texas to run as a third party or 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.240 as an independent. Don't get me wrong, but in both 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.480 of these cases, and I'd throw in Bill Cassidy in Louisiana, 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.520 where the governor is working with the president to try 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:20.560 to find a Republican primary challenger to build Cassidy. Julia Letlow, 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:25.560 a congresswoman, is the latest idea being floated. Would Cassidy 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.640 be better off running as an independent? So you know 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.880 it is. It is again my bigger theme being you know, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.080 you have two You have two party brands here that 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.480 are broken. You have two party brands that I think 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:44.040 are very distrusted by the public. You have two party 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:49.400 brands that it where it may be easier running away 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.200 from that party brand even if you agree with seventy 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.800 percent of what that party brand stands for and running 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.880 as an independent if you're a Democrat in Florida, if 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.400 you're a Democrat in Iowa, if you're a Republican now 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.880 on mega Republican in Texas, or a non mega Republican 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.959 in North Carolina. So I definitely think it's something to 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.959 watch for. There a couple other news topics from the 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.360 last few days, and I want to I want to 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:15.720 I want to talk about here. One is, of course, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.199 this Biden book. The excerpts are coming out the book. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.760 I'm going to have Jake tapperon pretty soon, who's co 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.000 author with Alex Thompson of this of this book about 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.880 uh that is about the Biden cover up? Was it 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.200 a cover up? You know? Were there people inside the 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:37.160 West wing not telling the truth or being disingenuous when 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:41.120 people when people like myself would inquire about why Biden 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.439 couldn't do this event or that event, or was afraid 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.440 of doing a Super Bowl interview, all of those things. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.760 You know that we all saw with our own eyes 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.840 that he clearly there was something foot. But of course, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.600 you know, you you're only as good as as your 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.640 actual sourcing there, and it's pretty clear a bunch of 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.720 aids did did their best to prove people from knowing 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.120 any truths right, keeping cabinet secretaries away from him, keeping 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:10.240 Biden away. But there's something as much as that. I 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.560 think it's terrible that the Bidens are once again trying 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.560 to come out and defend themselves, putting themselves before the party. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.880 You know, they ought to take a page from from 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:23.560 George W. Bush. Right after Obama won, after there was. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.760 It was clear the Bush brand was done inside the 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.000 Republican Party. He didn't go out there to try to 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.800 fight for his legacy. He went and took up painting right, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.160 and in many ways by not trying to be out 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.840 there engaging every day in his legacy, and thanks to 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.960 Donald Trump, his legacy is oddly improved in the minds 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.480 of many voters. Certainly his personal legacy, there's still a 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.560 lot of people question whether, you know, the greatest mistake 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.960 made and you know, since Vietnam was the Iraq War, 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.640 and I don't think anybody that that isn't going to change. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:58.560 And what certainly his character and is in his sort 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.880 of how he you know, how he treated the institution 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.960 of the presidency as something that has only grown with 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.600 time and not trying to make, you know, make people 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.480 uncomfortable by coming back out to defend himself and to say, no, 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.520 you know, my own popularity is wrong, et cetera, et cetera. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.840 So I do think that the bidens ought to take up. 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.560 But I get human nature wanting to defend yourself. But 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.640 there's something about these these books where you're gonna have 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.800 all these people make anonymous claims that well, they were 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.440 hiding it, or they were doing this, or they were 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.200 doing that. Well, then shame on you. You know you 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.600 own this. If you believe the country is at risk 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.840 of slipping in the democracy, shame on you and all 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.280 of these anonymous aids, and frankly all the people that 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.200 work for him that are now they tell us. This 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.120 is one of those. I think it's Brian Curtis of 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.280 at the Ringer Is dubs these stories in the sports world. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.920 Right every time somebody gets traded, you're like, oh something, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.680 and then like right after the person gets traded, then 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.440 all of a sudden, the beat writer for said team 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.240 writes the big tell all story about how the relationship 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.280 between player and the ownership totally broke down, and he 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.560 calls it. Now they tell us, and this is a 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.160 now they tell us, right, So now all these Biden 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:08.920 aids who didn't say a word for two and a 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:16.120 half years are suddenly now speaking anonymously to folks. It's 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.560 it is or early aids coming out. Where were you 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.720 at the time when many of us were pointing out 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.800 he seems to be too old to be running for president. 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.880 I know I did it quite a bit publicly. People 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.160 like David Ignatius. And you know what many of those 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.800 same aides did who are now talking to these authors, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.320 They would push back privately and publicly with me and 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.480 others and say, no, no, no, it's fine, no, no, no, 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.640 my interactions with them are fine. This is just exaggeration. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.520 You're buying into a right wing narrative. So you know, 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.760 these people have talked about both sides of their mouth. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.520 So in many ways, I think this Biden book is 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.440 only going to not just undermine Biden, but I think 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.520 make it toxic for anybody that worked for Biden, because 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.800 then it becomes where were you, How did you participate 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.400 in the cover up? Pete Bootage? This may mean something 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.960 for you. You know you were a cabinet secretary. A 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.440 You're going to now tell us, yeah, I didn't have 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.080 much interaction with him. Well, then why didn't you say something? 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.600 I had a cabinet secretary tell me that they had 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.480 no interaction with them, and wondered about that. I had 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.920 that off the record. I've after Biden quit, I've since 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.800 shared it with people. Still not going to share who 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.280 the cabinet secretary was, because that's not my I'm trying 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.280 to you know, I believe in keeping your word as 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.480 a journalist, and it was an off the record as 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.360 far as being told to me. And I think it's 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.440 up to that person to decide whether to speak out 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.480 or not. But I think it's a question anybody who 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.920 worked directly for Biden, So Gina Ramondo if she thinks 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.800 about running for president, Pete bootajej all of these cabinet 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:45.840 secretaries are now going to have to answer for all 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.280 of this. And I do wonder if it's going to 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:52.280 make anybody that touches Biden persona non grata, not just 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.119 anybody directly in the Biden world. As far as you know, 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.840 it could be the way, you know, anybody touching Carter 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.399 was sort of exiled for decades in the Democratic Party 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.920 in the eighties and nineties. It really wasn't until Obama 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.560 that sort of parts of Carter world were resurrected in 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:15.120 a positive light inside the Democratic Party. That's some nearly, 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.760 you know, nearly thirty years later. That's probably the best 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.919 Biden world can hope for, is that they need to 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.359 the generation that lived through this mess will have to 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.639 go away before they maybe get a second chance at 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.399 the historical record. A lot of it. Those are going 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.760 to depend on on what the Trump presidency looks like 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.680 three years from now and what kind of impact it has. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.880 Because everybody who worked for Biden, and Joe Biden himself 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.439 to me, is directly responsible for everything Trump does in 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.480 the second term, right They their behavior and their actions 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.879 led us to this place, their contributors to the place 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.520 we are at. So they better hope it's a successful 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.840 second term for Trump because they own a piece of 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.239 that failure too, and the recovery for America from its 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.800 economic what could be an economic disaster. I mean, obviously 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.320 we're escaping short term problems here by this pause with China, 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.920 but let's be honest. Already his management of the economy 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.920 has cost a lot of people, a lot of people money, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.440 and it is still going to create inflation. So it is. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.560 It is now. He's already done damage. The question is 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.880 can he mitigate the damage he's done or is more 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:35.560 coming He's just delayed when that happens. But mark my words, 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.080 if you're not happy with any part of this second 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.919 term and you're angry, some of that anger belongs to 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:42.800 the Bidens, and some of that anger belongs to the 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.359 people who had no guts to speak out when it mattered, 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.639 and waited till talking to an author of a book. Finally, 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.920 there's the story of the DNC in this issue of 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.760 David Hogg. Oh, of course, was an activist born out 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.240 of the Parkland shooting in Florida. I'll be honest, it's 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:06.080 very personal to myself. I have my own connections to 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:11.439 somebody who's in that school. Uh when when when it 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.919 when it happened, So I have a lot of personal 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.280 empathy for anybody that went through that, you know. I 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.080 think the way David Hogg has conducted his politics is 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:28.000 hard to It is hard to it's hard to to 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.639 see him as a member of the leadership of the 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.080 d n C considering what the role of the d 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:37.320 n C is now. There's obviously people that are unhappy 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.560 with him that as vice chair of the d n 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.280 C he got elected vice chair of DNC, that he 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.240 now wants to work with a group to primary essentially 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.600 democratic incumbents in very blue areas who he believes are 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.080 stagnant right who need generational change. In all of this, 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.480 this has created an uproar that a member of the 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:02.679 DNC leadership is talking about primarying elected Democrats, and I 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.320 understand that criticism. It was like, wait a minute, you 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.840 can work on the outside, you chose to work on 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.800 the inside. When you choose to work on the inside, 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.479 you're choosing to work with the Democrats that have been 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.400 elected and help new Democrats get elected, not necessarily purge 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:21.000 the party from the inside. So I have empathy for 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.960 the criticism of Hawk. But now they're trying to create 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:32.360 a So apparently now they've come up with a instead 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:36.960 of instead of forcing the situation about Okay, you've got 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.600 to make a decision, David Hog, are youre going to 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.080 work on the outside or work on the inside, they've 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.359 come up with a convoluted It feels like a pollit 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.280 bureau decision. Well, we've got to figure out how to 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.199 get rid of this person, but we don't want to 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.520 make it look like it's politics. We want to make 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.160 it look like it's a technicality. So in this case, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.560 there was a challenge. They's supposed to be gender equity 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.240 in the leadership of the DNC. Well after when the 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.239 DNC chair won and it turned out to be a 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.280 man not a woman, it should have triggered that one 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.240 of the vice chair can't you know that there was 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:07.440 going to be gender equity on the vice chair level 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.320 and there was not, so there's been a complaint file. 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.720