1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is Latino USA, the radio journal of News and 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Kurturre Latino US Latin Latino USA. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 2: I'm Maria Nojosa. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: We bring you stories that are underreported but that mattered to. 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: You, overlooked by the wrestler media. 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 3: And while the country is struggling to deal with these, we. 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Listen to the stories of Black and Latino Studios United 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Latino Front, a cultural renaissance organizing at the forefront of 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: the movement. I'm Maria Inojosa, Noayan or La Latino USA. Listener. 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: Here's our show, the Los Achivos from Futuro Media and PRX. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: It's Latino USA. I'm Marie Hosa today the Breakdown Heavy 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Metal edition for all of you wondering. Yes, that's a 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: metal version of the that You Know USA theme song 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: that our producer Geni Montaldwo put together just for this 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: episode because we rocket like that, and that's because today 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about metal and the passionate fans that metal 17 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: has all over Latin America. And for this journey, I'm 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: going to hand things off to producers Antoine Lejido and 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Genni Montalbo who're gonna take it from here. 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 4: So I'm in the studio today with producer Genie Montaldo. 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: Helloi, so Antho, I want to take you back to 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: the Latin Grammys of twenty nineteen. What happened, Well, a 23 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: bunch of things happened, but relevant to today. Yeah, Lars 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: Ulrik of Metallica presented Juannas with the Person of the 25 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 3: Year award. It's kind of like a lifetime achievement. 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 5: I love we have for Metalica. 27 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: Did not know that's where you were going to go 28 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: with this. 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: Surprise, but really you can see Juanas kind of losing 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: it on the video, but listen to him here. Well, 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: I'm thinking usings of you guys, and you guys. 32 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 6: Child you my lot fan. 33 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 4: That's very funny to me. For those who don't know 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 4: who Juannas is, how would you describe his music? It's 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 4: like pop Yeah, it's like pop rock, but it's very 36 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 4: like Got Me San Diego. But I yeah, I had 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 4: no idea he was a huge Metallica fan. 38 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: Juanus is a huge metal fan, and so were a 39 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: lot of people in Latin America. And that is what 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: I'm going to be talking to you about today. 41 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: Ooh, mysterious. I didn't know you were into metal. 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: Funny story because I'm actually not, but I am surrounded 43 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: by Latino metal heads. My brother was into metal growing up. 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: My neighbor's into metal and plays in a metal band. 45 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: And what would life be like if I didn't marry 46 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: someone who was also into metal? 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 4: Much quieter. 48 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: So speaking about my husband Ornesto, who you know is 49 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: from Peru, he was telling me this story the other 50 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: day that got me thinking about this. It was about 51 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: the time when one of his favorite bands, the British 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: rockers Iron Maiden, came to Lima in two thousand and nine. 53 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: You have heard of Iron Maiden, right, I've seen the sweatshirts. 54 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 7: When Iron Maiden first came first and nounce Actually their 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 7: visits to Lima, people started making plans to come to 56 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 7: the show. People started coming from other cities, even from Ekualora. 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 7: People drove all the way from Guayaqui from Kito. Like 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 7: you would see Ecuadorian flags in the crowd. 59 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: People came from other countries and. 60 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 7: It eventerscended that there were some actual British mailing fans 61 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 7: that came just so they could see what it was 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 7: like to see Maiden play a place for the first time. 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: This is the first time in that room. 64 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 7: So the day of the show, actually I went with 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 7: by coworkers and we all showed up for work in 66 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 7: our mailing shirts that morning, and we took the afternoon off, 67 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 7: of course, and then the show began, and by the 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 7: third or fourth song, I started getting a little dizzy, 69 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 7: and after that I don't remember anything. 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: Next thing he knew. He opened his eyes and he 71 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: was at the emergency. 72 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 7: Unit, and the noise gave me a bottle of water 73 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 7: and told me I had to stay there for the 74 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 7: next thirty minutes before I could go back to the show. 75 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: So after that, a guy on the bed next to 76 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: or Nesto starts talking. 77 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 7: To him, and he starts selling me his story that 78 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 7: he was epileptic and that the lights on stage at 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 7: basically every show would trigger di seizers, and he knew it, 80 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 7: but he was not going to miss any show because 81 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 7: of that, you know. So he knew that all he 82 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 7: had to do was just stand right next to this 83 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 7: emergency unit, rock the hell out, and then the minute 84 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 7: diseaser has begun, he will be taken care of, which 85 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 7: I think was the most rock and roll attitude ever. 86 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 4: That's so funny rock and roll. 87 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 7: So then As he was telling me this, Bruce Dickinson 88 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 7: goes scream for me Lima. 89 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: So I turned my head. 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 7: I see that the Norse in church to me was 91 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 7: not looking at me, and I just ran back to 92 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 7: the mush bit. 93 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah, intense, right, Like, I know that 94 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 4: metal is really popular in Latin America, but I think 95 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: it's like a lot of people don't realize how big 96 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: metal is. 97 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because the stereotypes of Latinos is that we're 98 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: always listening to like or like boom boom boom, regatong. 99 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 3: What they never really associate with Latinos is heavy metal 100 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: and it's extreme fans. And maybe that's because the stereotype 101 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: of metal in the US at least is that it 102 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: comes from a very white place. But metal is huge 103 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: in Latin America, all right, and don't. 104 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: Listen to this. 105 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: Spotify has this feature where you can see the top 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: five cities where people listen to a particular band. Okay, 107 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: so we're gonna start with Iron Maiden and you want. 108 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 4: To guess the top city, Santiago, Chile. 109 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: That's a good guy, yes, but you're wrong. 110 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 4: What city is it? 111 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: South outle of Brazil? I was close you know what 112 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: The second one is is actually santhiaaa Chile, no way. Yeah, 113 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: and the third one is Mexico City. For Metallica's top five, 114 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: Mexico City is number one, and the rest of them 115 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: are all Latin American cities, all of them except for 116 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: the number four, which goes to Chicago. 117 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: Really yeah, that's really funny. Yeah, but it might be 118 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: all the Latinos in Chicago. 119 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: Maybe it is. Here's what James Headfield of Metallica has 120 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: to say. 121 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 6: All through South America has been always really good for Metallica, 122 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 6: very dedicated fans, you. 123 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: Know, and not only him, but Richie Faulkner of Judas Priest, 124 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: another British metal band, said. 125 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 8: The most extreme fans by country, I wouldn't say one 126 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 8: country in particular. It's going to be down in South 127 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 8: America then are must extreme? 128 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 4: I mean you just have to see people in the 129 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 4: stands at soccer games to understand that. Like, Latin American 130 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: fans are no joke. 131 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 6: They are. 132 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: They do kind of fan hard. 133 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and nothing is harder than metal, you. 134 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: Say, right, And since I am surrounded my metal, I 135 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: started to think about that mainly because I don't fully 136 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: understand it and Interestingly enough, the more people who I 137 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: spoke to about this were like, I love metal, okay, 138 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: but why And that's exactly what we're going to unpact today, Antonia. 139 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: Not only is metal this overwhelming phenomena in Latin America, 140 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: but Latin Americans have altered the course of metal history itself. 141 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 4: Okay, so today we're talking about heavy metal, right like 142 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: rock and roll times. 143 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: You are correct, Anto, heavy metal in Latin America is 144 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: a true passion. Take this gentleman from Ecuador. During the 145 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: above mentioned Iron Maiden. 146 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 9: Tour Formia, they said. 147 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: Till Death will be heavy metados. Okay, but before we 148 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: get too far into the fanaticism, I really need you 149 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 4: to answer this very basic question, which is what is 150 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: heavy metal music. 151 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: I'm really glad you asked that, because metal on a 152 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: basic level is under the rock umbrella. 153 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 4: Got it. 154 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: But it usually brings heavily distorted guitars, wailing guitar solos, 155 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: massive drum sounds, some sort of screaming, and often there's 156 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: an occult element, things like images of demons, ghouls, and 157 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: other dark scary things. Some bands will paint their faces 158 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: to look like corpses, think like kiss and stuff like 159 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: that cool. 160 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 5: It sounds like for many people that is noise, but 161 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 5: it's not is You have to be a very accomplished 162 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 5: a musician. 163 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,239 Speaker 3: This is Rodrio Sanchez from the Mexican guitar duo Rodrio Gabriella. 164 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: They made a name for themselves when they made acoustic 165 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: covers of some of metal's greatest songs, like Metal Ryan. 166 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: Here's Gabrielao of the group. 167 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,119 Speaker 10: It is supposed to be completely not polished, the opposite 168 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 10: of mainstream pop music. There's a community that is not 169 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 10: just in Latin America but all over the world. 170 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: That to me, that's the truly world music. Metal, it seems, 171 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: is for everyone, including your like this one who became 172 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: a sensation at the Chilean Metallica concert. 173 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 4: So this is like a showed up at a Metallica show. 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: Yep, that she's a big metal fan. And there are 175 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: rules to attending metal shows. Rule number one in the mashpit, 176 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: there is etiquette. If somebody falls down, you pick them up. 177 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: And rule number two. Definitely by the merch. 178 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: It behooves you to buy the merch. 179 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: This is 's Asha Chanoy. He's my neighbor who I 180 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: mentioned before, who is half Argentinian and lived in Mexico 181 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: for many years. 182 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 11: Part of this is integral to the whole experience. You have 183 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 11: to display your colors because whenever you're in a public area, 184 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 11: you can spot those people who are like minded, whether 185 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 11: you like black shirts or slightly off black shirts. 186 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: Now I know that I can go attend to show. 187 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: We're both wearing black shirts. So clearly we got the memo. 188 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: But anto, before you can understand metals appeal in Latin America, 189 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: you have to understand the music's roots. At the end 190 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 3: of the nineteen sixties and early seventies, in Birmingham, England, 191 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: four guys were looking for an escape from their life 192 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: as factory workers. They are Black Sabbath, and one of 193 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: them was the young Ozzy Osbourne. Black Sabbath is arguably 194 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: the beginning of heavy metal. The music grew out of 195 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: the working class in England. 196 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 8: Once upon a time, there was no heavy metal music. 197 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 8: There was just the factory landscape of the Midlands and 198 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 8: the industrialized North, where the sounds and smells of metal 199 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 8: manufacture hung heavily in the air. 200 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: And the legend says that guitarist Tony Iomi suffered an 201 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: industrial accident and lost the tips of his fingers. Here 202 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: he is speaking in a documentary. 203 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 6: As far as the hospital was concerned, I could never 204 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 6: play again. 205 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: In order to play the guitar, he had to detune 206 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: the strings to loosen them to make it easier to play, 207 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: giving the guitar it's gritty, heavy sounds. 208 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 4: Hold up, is this story true? 209 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: It is not a legend, it is facts. 210 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: Yes, that is crazy. 211 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 6: I came up with another sound by tuning the guitar down. 212 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: I wanted more gay at the. 213 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 6: Dirty sound, more aggressive, and more rule. 214 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: It's often said that the massive drum sounds are kind 215 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: of reminiscent of what you would hear in a factory, 216 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: like heavy machinery and stuff like that. The lyrics often 217 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 3: tackled themes of war, social issues, the supernatural, and, as 218 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: they put it, the timeless conflict between good and evil. 219 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: They were the product of their time. It was a 220 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: time right after the nineteen sixties British rock wave kind 221 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 3: of swept across the globe with this sometimes rosy rock 222 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: and roll. When it came to the early beatles Oh No. Two, 223 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: Our More bluesy, rolling Stones and metal was the voice 224 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: that spoke against the establishment. Something even more rebellious than 225 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 3: plain old rock and roll, something angrier, something louder. In Britain, 226 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: it grew out of the mood of the suppressed youth 227 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: at the time. It became an outlet for all the 228 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: frustrations and things you couldn't say. 229 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 4: Okay, so what was happening in England at the time 230 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 4: that led people to feel oppressed? 231 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 8: All were aware that Britain was in its worst economic 232 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 8: crisis for more than forty years. 233 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: So after World War Two in Britain there was a 234 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: boom in manufacturing, but then during the nineteen seventies oil crisis, 235 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: there were massive layoffs. Wages couldn't keep up with the 236 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: staggering inflation. 237 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 8: People don't realize as well as the three million or 238 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 8: so already fully unemployed, there's hundreds of thousands more of us. 239 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: And by the end of the seventies, that's the infamous 240 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: Winter of Discontent. Workers and trade unions began to strike 241 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: and that anger came out in metal. Some of the 242 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: music had an anti war message, like Black Sabbaths, Warpigs. 243 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 9: In the Fields of Bodies burning, that's the Worm Machines. 244 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: And Iron Maiden talked about colonialism and run to the 245 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: hills but the music wasn't necessarily political. Whatever it was, 246 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 3: it was intense. Was music designed to make people feel powerful, 247 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 3: and that sentiment spread to the US, to Finland and Scandinavia, 248 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: and to Latin America. 249 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 4: Okay, so in the UK it was a time of 250 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 4: mass unemployment. The working class was really struggling. But what 251 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 4: about Latin America. What was happening there politically when metal 252 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: got so big. 253 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: Well, every country is dealing with something. There's the dictatorships 254 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: of the seventies like pinoch and Chile and the Junta 255 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: in Argentina, Pueblo, racism, poverty, foreign interventions, Pablo Escobares in Colombia, 256 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: and like in the UK, Latin America's youth found an 257 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: outlet for their anger in metal. 258 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 9: Do messages, open your eyes, try to think for yourself. 259 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 9: We don't need to trust politics. 260 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: This is he co runs Rockaccess dot com, a digital 261 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: magazine that started in Chile dedicated to rock and metal 262 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: across Latin America, and Coote was also the producer of 263 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: a very successful and popular show in the nineties. MTV 264 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: Headbangers was a show that started in nineteen eighty seven 265 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: in the USA and played music videos and interviews from 266 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: the decades. Heaviest of heaviest, Yes. 267 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: Just the head bangers born. 268 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: I'm the Snyder. 269 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 9: When an MTV Latino decided to open their operations in 270 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 9: South America Latin America, you can see in the few 271 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 9: shows that were coming to Latin America were huge iron 272 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 9: made and kids Ossi Scorpions, the impact of Metallica of Pantera. 273 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: So seeing the big audience at metal concerts, MTV decides 274 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: to bring headbangers to Latin America. 275 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: Yes, when I talk, I get a phone and. 276 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: They asked to produce it. 277 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 9: I believe the two years it was there by far 278 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 9: the most view the most letters, facts, it was the 279 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 9: most request show. 280 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: And even before that, metal bands were popping up in 281 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: Latin America in the late seventies and early eighties. 282 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: What are the local Latin American bands that get really big. 283 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: There's definitely way, way, way too many to discuss in 284 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: this episode, but here's a few. In Argentina, there's v 285 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: and Riff. Then in the mid eighties Cracking from Colombia. 286 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: Side note, while we're in Colombia, did you know that 287 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: the young Juan Is actually started in a metal band 288 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: called Emsis. 289 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 4: It's coming full circle. 290 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: That is why Lars Ulrich of Metallica giving him an 291 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: award was such a big deal because it was his 292 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: idol and that is. 293 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 4: Where he started. Now it makes sense, okay. 294 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: But perhaps the biggest metal country and Latin America of 295 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: all is Brazil. According to the Encyclopedia Metallum. 296 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: That's not real. 297 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: It is one. Brazil has the largest number of metal 298 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: bands in Latin America. But the biggest thing to come 299 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: out of Brazil was the game changing global phenomena that 300 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 3: was and is Sepultura. 301 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: I think the condition. 302 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 12: We are very poor and we didn't have much money, 303 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 12: and we hated our job. We work in factories me 304 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 12: and Igor and worked like shoe factory and hat factory, 305 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 12: and we hate it. 306 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: This is Max Cavallera, founding member of Brazilian band Saptura, 307 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 3: talking about why he and other Brazilians were attracted to metal. 308 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: That music was like perfect for a turt war pissed 309 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: off kid. 310 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 12: It was like the best you know, you you come 311 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 12: home after work, piste off, you hate your boss, and 312 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 12: then you put some venom in, put some hell hammer 313 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 12: and it's perfect. 314 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: It's like the best music. Great days from the DoD Walk. 315 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 3: And these pissed off working class Brazilian kids ended up 316 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 3: changing the sound of metal all over the world. 317 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: Coming up and its massive impact on metal. Stay with 318 00:18:28,080 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: us and we're back. Right before the break, we had 319 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 4: just established how metal reached Latin America. 320 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 3: Right metal was somewhere for people to voice their frustrations 321 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: over the socio political issues going on in their respective countries. 322 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 3: And now we're gonna hear about how Latin America changed 323 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: metal history and even helped establish a whole new subgenre 324 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: of the music. 325 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 5: I'm I'm, I'm. 326 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 12: I'm Paul Oh yeah, Sepultura and you're watched to MTV 327 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 12: headbunders bo. 328 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: Through the Brazilian band Sepultura. 329 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 7: The best marsh based in my life was doing the 330 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 7: Sepulturial maybe. 331 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: Ashes band in the face. 332 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: Right before the break, we heard from Max cavaldera co 333 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 3: founder of Sepultura, and the way he tells it, he 334 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: wasn't actually into music in the beginning. 335 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 12: Everything really stopped when we saw Queen Queen playing Brazil 336 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 12: in nineteen eighty one. Before that, me and Igor we 337 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 12: wrote only into football and it was mesmerizing. 338 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: It was blown away. 339 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 12: I remember me and my brother went to the local 340 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 12: shop and bought cassettes of Queen and Kiss, and I 341 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 12: think we became rock and rollers right there on the spot. 342 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 3: In the nineteen eighties in Brazil it was the beginning 343 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: of democratization and there was a lot of upheaval in 344 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 3: the country along with an economic crisis. And just like 345 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: Black Sabbath in the UK in the seventies, Max's surroundings 346 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: were part of what drew him to the music. 347 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 12: The violence of the country mixed with the poverty, mixed 348 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 12: with the corruption, attracts people to like Mettal. They need 349 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 12: something to fight that corruption and poverty oppression. We took 350 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 12: hold of that music became something that we could count 351 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 12: on it to get true. 352 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: I was like a weapon. 353 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: Max and his brother Igor started Sepultura in nineteen eighty 354 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 3: four in their hometown of Belo Tisanti. 355 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 2: It's a small scene, especially where we were from. 356 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 12: Saint Paulo is the big city where there was a 357 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 12: big scene of metal heads, and Bele Arizonte was smaller 358 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 12: and it's a really conservative religious kind of city. 359 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: There's churches on every corner. 360 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 3: This is another important point we haven't mentioned about Latin America. 361 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: Much of Latin America is pretty conservative, primarily Catholic, so 362 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: the youth who grappled with the church's teachings or conservativism 363 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: found metal as an outlet as well. It was a 364 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 3: way to rebel against the church. 365 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 12: We took pictures in front of churches in cemetery. We 366 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 12: loved the way we dressed. We loved that we wear 367 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 12: black shirts, and we didn't look like what societ I 368 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 12: wanted people to look like. 369 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: We were like black sheep, and we knew that and 370 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: were proud of it. 371 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: Max mentioned earlier they were listening to bands like hell 372 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 3: Hammer and Venom, who were pioneers of black metal, an 373 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: extreme kind of metal big in the Nordic countries that 374 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: was associated with Satanism and even church burnings. And actually, 375 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: side note, the Catholic Church in Latin America and at 376 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: least one case did go head to head with metal. 377 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 3: It was in nineteen ninety two and Chile the typical 378 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: They put pressure on the government to ban the group 379 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: from performing, claiming their music with satanic so the show 380 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 3: got canceled. 381 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 4: They actually canceled the show, yep. And that, my friends, 382 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: is the power of the Catholic Church in Latin America. 383 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: And Iron Maiden is way less extreme than these bands 384 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 3: that we were just talking about. What the church didn't 385 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: understand is that a lot of metal fans weren't real Satanists. 386 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 3: A lot of people just think all the dark imagery 387 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 3: is cool. 388 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 12: We went to a it was this kind of graveyard, 389 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 12: and we found a grave that was open and there 390 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 12: was a bunch. 391 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: Of skulls in it, and so we stole one of 392 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 2: the skulls. 393 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 12: And then we were walking home and we had the 394 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 12: skull in our backpack and I told my friend I 395 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 12: cannot bring that skull home. 396 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: My mom would kill me. 397 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: Conservative or not, I'm pretty sure my mom would kill 398 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 3: me too if I came home with a skull. 399 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 4: Very rock and roll. So how did Pipple Duda become 400 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 4: the most famous metal band in Latin America. 401 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: Seppl Dura makes a conscious decision to speak English right 402 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 3: the beginning. 403 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: We were kind of criticized in Brazil. People did not 404 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: like that, they thought because a lot of bands saying 405 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: in Portuguese. 406 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 12: But we kind of wanted always our goal is to 407 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 12: be international, to go through to the world, you know, 408 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 12: so if you want to. 409 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: Do that you have to you have to do it 410 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: in English. 411 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: Their first albums created a buzz in the metal world, 412 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: and in nineteen ninety one they released A Rise and 413 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: embark on a. 414 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: Tour for two years. 415 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 7: That's out. 416 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: And on this tour something happens to Sepultura. Maxis said 417 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: in an interview that it was the first time that 418 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: they saw the world and it gave them perspective on 419 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: what it was to be Brazilian outside of their country. 420 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: He said, quote, we were still writing lyrics that were 421 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: very heavy metal, very based in fantasy, but now we 422 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 3: began to get more social and political end quote. And 423 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: so in nineteen ninety three they put those politics in 424 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 3: their next album, Chaos Ad, which took the band from 425 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: underground to a household name. But it's the album after 426 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: that in nineteen ninety six which really cements their legacy 427 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 3: and ends up having a really big impact on metal 428 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: around the world. It was called Roots. 429 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 12: I think kind of we threw the heavy metal root 430 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 12: book out of the window and say there's no rule, 431 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 12: we do whatever we want. I think it was like 432 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 12: mixing Brazilian percussion with metal. 433 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 3: For example, on one of their songs called Rata Mahata. 434 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 3: They collaborated with the fame Brazilian percussionist Carlinas Brown. 435 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: Nobody knew if it was gonna work or not, but 436 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: we were so confident in it. 437 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 3: On another song, you can hear the guitars mimicking the 438 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: sound of the traditional Brazilian instrument, the beating bao. Do 439 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: you know the beating bow? 440 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 4: Is that the one that sounds like a little dog yelping? 441 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 3: No, that's the quaker. This is the beating bao. And 442 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: here's roots. 443 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 4: Whoa cool, very cool? 444 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 12: And then I had the idea to record with the 445 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 12: original music of Brazil before some but before Bostonova, before 446 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 12: all that, which. 447 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: Is the real, real people from Brazil, the Brazilian Indians. 448 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 3: They collaborated with the indigenous tribe, the Chavantes. It was 449 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: a way to embrace what Brazil had to offer. 450 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 12: The identity with your country, and it was kind of 451 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 12: like embracing the roots of your country, but not really 452 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 12: a nationalistic, not really patriotic. Brazil is full of bad stuff, 453 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 12: you know, there's like corruption and poverty and crime, and 454 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 12: so we kind of like look to the other side 455 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 12: of Brazil, the things that we were proud of it 456 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 12: and that's the music side, you know, with the percussion, 457 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 12: the beauty of it. So I think this is why 458 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 12: this record became so important, like letting other nations, other 459 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 12: people embrace their own roots, and it worked. We found 460 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 12: out that the album was really well received all over 461 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 12: the world, especially countries like France. 462 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: They really really loved the record right away. 463 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: Not only France, but across the globe. The impact of 464 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: Roots was felt. The album dropped in March of nineteen 465 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: ninety six and it just certified gold status both in 466 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 3: the US and the UK. The band became a sensation. 467 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 3: Here's Dave Grohl of the Foo Fighters randomly bringing up 468 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 3: his love of Sepulteur on James Cordon. 469 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 13: But do you know what's crazy? One of my favorite 470 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 13: heavy metal bands of all time is from Brazil. Really, 471 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 13: this band called Sepletur. 472 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 4: Wow, those to the people were cheering. 473 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 13: One of the crazy things they did. They made this 474 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 13: album called Roots, and it's like Roots, but they incorporated 475 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 13: crazy Brazilian instrumentation into like the heaviest music you've ever 476 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 13: heard in your life. It kind of like changed the game. 477 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 13: It was the heaviest thing ever. 478 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 3: Even b York is a fan. 479 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 8: I really want to see Sepulteer, I still haven't seen them. 480 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 3: And Rodrigo from the guitar duo we heard earlier, has 481 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: this take. 482 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 5: To melt, said the bar. I think the fact that 483 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 5: they came from Brazil made them even more powerful, and 484 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 5: that blend of tribal elements they went so well with metal, 485 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 5: and that sound. 486 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 3: Becomes a steeple of what's known as new metal. New 487 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: metal is a subgenre that took over the nineties. It's 488 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 3: a mix of wrap and heavy metal with lots of 489 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: rhythmic breakdowns. Think like Lincoln Park and Corns. Bands were 490 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: listening to Sepulteur as mix of Brazilian percussion and metal 491 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: and putting that in their music. Okay, Antonio, let's do 492 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: some a being shall we? Are you ready for this? 493 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: This is Corn's track Adidas and now listen to. 494 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 4: Oh Yeah, Yeah, I totally hear it Incubus. 495 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: Incubus actually started as a pretty hard rocking metal band. 496 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 4: They did not take a listen. 497 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 3: That's this is Spa, So I hear. 498 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 4: The influence, specifically in the percussive nature of these songs. 499 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, in Latin. 500 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 3: America, they influenced bands like I Matter from Argentina, from 501 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: Chile and from Puerto Rico uses Afro Caribbean rhythms to 502 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 3: bring a different swing to metal as well. Sepultura gave 503 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 3: Latin America a sense of pride like Okay, they can 504 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: do it, so we can't too. But there's more because 505 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: the Who, a Mongolian throat metal band who has also 506 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 3: said Sepultura is one of their influences for their brand 507 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: of throat singing, tribal music fused with metal. 508 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 4: We gonna want to hear this, Oh, I totally hear it. 509 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: The original lineup of Sepultura split in nineteen ninety six, 510 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: right after that groundbreaking album Roots. Twenty three years later, 511 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: they set the bar really high and turned the world's 512 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: gaze to the metal coming out of Latin America. They 513 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: broke the mold for what metal was supposed to sound 514 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: like by creating a completely new sound, a sound that 515 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: came out of their reality and that embraced the beauty 516 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: of their country. Here's Maxicavaleda again. 517 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 12: I'll often say music saved my life, and I believe 518 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 12: that's totally true because a lot of other people that 519 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 12: we knew friends got involved in drugs and cartels and 520 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 12: they got killed or they went to jail for a 521 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 12: long time, and those options were really close to us. 522 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: But we stick with music and that was the best 523 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: decision we made. 524 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 4: So Genie, after breaking down metal, have you come around 525 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: on this music? Are you going to be a metal 526 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 4: head from now on? 527 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: That's a big no. Okay, I still do not share 528 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: a love of metal, but I do understand it a 529 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: little more. And my biggest takeaway is how metal can 530 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 3: really unite people no matter what your background is. It 531 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 3: kind of gives people the freedom to be angry. 532 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 4: I mean, everybody deserves to be angry every now and then. 533 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 3: And if you look at the numbers. According to the 534 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: Encyclopedia Metallum. 535 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: Our favorite Encyclopedia Metallum. 536 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 3: There are over one hundred thousand metal bands in existence 537 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: across the globe. 538 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 4: Honestly, after hearing the story, I'm not surprised. Metal is everywhere, 539 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 4: Metal is everywhere everybody. Metal is the true world music, 540 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: world music, Anthonia. I have one more thing, Okay, you 541 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 4: and the world know that I'm a mom. 542 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 3: Yes, and I was tipped off while I was doing 543 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 3: this story to this heavy metal band for kids, Oh 544 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 3: my God, called heavy Saudio so cute, KOCHI. Yeah, it's 545 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: a bunch of dinosaurs who saying about important things like 546 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 3: wanting milk and such and so now you and your 547 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: kids can bond over heavy metal. 548 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, all right, thanks Jimi for bringing us all 549 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 4: of this heavy metal mayhem. 550 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Gini Montalbo and edited by 551 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: Marlon Bishop. It was mixed by Julio Caruso. Fact checking 552 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: for this episode by Amy Tardif. The Latino USA team 553 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: includes Andrea Lopez Cruzado, Marta Martinez, Mike Sargent, Daisy Contreres, 554 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: Victoria Estrada, Renaldo Leos Junior, Patrisa Subaran, and Elizabeth Loenthal Torres. 555 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: Our editorial director is Fernanda Santos. Our director of engineering 556 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: is Stephanie Lebau. Our associate engineers are Gabriel Lebias and 557 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: jj Carubin. Our marketing manager is Luis Luna. Our theme 558 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: music was composed by Sania Ronos. I'm your host an 559 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: executive producer Marieojosa. Join us again on our next episode. 560 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: In the meantime, find us on social media and remember 561 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: but yeshoo. 562 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 14: Latino USA is made possible in part by the Ford Foundation, 563 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 14: working with visionaries on the front lines of social change worldwide, 564 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 14: The John D. And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, and the 565 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 14: Heising Simons Foundation unlocking knowledge, opportunity and possibilities. More at 566 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 14: hsfoundation dot org. 567 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 3: There's definitely way, way, way too many in this podcast, 568 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 3: but here's a few. Nope, that's not there's obviously too 569 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 3: many in this podcast. There's too much metal