WEBVTT - El Chapo's First Escape with Diane Guerrero

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, Welcome to Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you

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<v Speaker 1>the wildest true escape stories of all time. This is

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<v Speaker 1>our first episode and we are kicking it off in style.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Arturo Gastro. I'm an actor. Not that one. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not the one you're thinking about. The other one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's me. So you might not be shocked to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to stir the pot. When I was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I've escaped some pretty crazy, life threatening situations.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been drawn to the ingenuity that it takes

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<v Speaker 1>to escape. So when I heard about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>craziest escapes in history, I don't know, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>explore them in a deeper format, also having fun and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some laughs along the way. Also, I don't make

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<v Speaker 1>the show on my own right. No man is an island,

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<v Speaker 1>So throughout the episodes you'll hear my producers aka my overlords,

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<v Speaker 1>please help me, Carl, Ben and Toy. For our story.

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<v Speaker 1>We're revisiting an early escape by one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>infamous jailbreakers of the twenty first century, and I'm joined

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<v Speaker 1>by the powerful voice of the activist, the actress, the

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful human being Diane Guerrero. Hey, so listener, what a

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<v Speaker 1>treat we have for you today, our very own Colombian sensation,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Diane Guerrero on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that and I love that sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Diane, Tell me, what do you consider to be your

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<v Speaker 1>greatest escape?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Well this was actually really PG compared

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<v Speaker 2>to something that I wanted to tell you about.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me all about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll tell you. I don't consider myself a bad kid,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. But I was heavily influenced

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<v Speaker 2>by movies like Home Alone or like basically where any

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<v Speaker 2>little white kid was like doing mischief. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's exactly what I want to do for my career. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And my mom would take me to the mall a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>This was like during Christmas time, and so like the

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<v Speaker 2>mall is really decorated. This is in New Jersey, this

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<v Speaker 2>is in Boston. And so I was with my friend

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<v Speaker 2>and we had drinks and we the drinks were over,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all we had was ice. So we were

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<v Speaker 2>like sucking on the ice and then we were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like on the balcony.

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<v Speaker 1>And so like, how old are you at this point? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe like seven eight?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, so child child, Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a child, Yeah, but I had ice in

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<v Speaker 2>my mouth and I just I happened to drop it

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<v Speaker 2>and it landed on someone's head and we were like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh shit, and we went we went back and we

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<v Speaker 2>just thought it was so funny. We just we just

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<v Speaker 2>kept doing it and but we didn't get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like innocent, it was fine. It was multiple

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<v Speaker 2>days in the shopping mall, not just that day. So

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<v Speaker 2>the next day we went. I thought it was a

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<v Speaker 2>really great idea. Hey, what do you think about instead

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<v Speaker 2>of ice? I bring this bucket of toys. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. Toys back in the day, these were like

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six toys geatre made of steel. Dude, this

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<v Speaker 2>is like this is like big bird on a car

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<v Speaker 2>and that shit is heavy. And so we're like, what

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<v Speaker 2>if we throw these off of the second floor or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we went and we started doing this and

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<v Speaker 2>like it would hit people in the head, and we

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was hilarious and we're like whaa whatever. All

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden we turn around and this guy goes,

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<v Speaker 2>is this yours? This man shows me my big bird

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<v Speaker 2>on a fire truck and I just a freaking grab it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like run. We didn't know where our

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<v Speaker 2>parents were. Thank god we passed by the Talbots. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a store that my mom was in. Anyway, I tell

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<v Speaker 2>her the situation and she goes, you're on your own.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to run.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing to do is like I didn't throw the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like exactly, and so yeah, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>just booked it. But the guy did say he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to call the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what, Dane, you have the guy here today, Come motherfucker,

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<v Speaker 1>come on out, let's do this. No, we definitely played

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<v Speaker 1>with like asbestos, like fucking rubber duckies when we were

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<v Speaker 1>chilling anyone, like you knowitas were like, yeah, that'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It built character.

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<v Speaker 2>Those things hurt ye, your weapons, I know, well you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, and that's and I think some of that will

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<v Speaker 1>be relevant to our story today. So if you're ready, Diane,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready, let's escape. Hey, Benja, can you give me

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<v Speaker 1>some escape music?

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<v Speaker 2>There we go, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>As a minute hand on the wall climbed towards nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Joaquin tapped on his cell gate. The year was two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one, and Joaquin was locked inside the maximum

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<v Speaker 1>security prison in Jalisco. But it was finally that they

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<v Speaker 1>had planned for. It was his kin Sannea hey even

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<v Speaker 1>got everybody else just kidding, just kidding, It was not

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<v Speaker 1>It was more dramatic than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>He ran through all the steps in his head, the

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming maneuvers necessary. The rives handed off. The clock ticked

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<v Speaker 1>and ticked and ticked. All of Joaquin's tedious calculations for

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<v Speaker 1>a grand escape accounted to this laundry day. Today's story

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<v Speaker 1>is about a truly infamous character.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to laundry day in a second, but to start,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to the beginning. He was born in

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<v Speaker 1>the spring of nineteen fifty seven into a poor family

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<v Speaker 1>in the rural community of Latuna, a little town in

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains of western Mexico, which was incidentally famous for

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<v Speaker 1>it's salma. Now it's salmon, goddamn it. It was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>m doing the pilgrims and be like, do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have tuna?

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, sorry, it's just a salmon, just because.

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<v Speaker 1>Our name is Tuna, sir, Just not mean so.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>The nearest school to his home was about sixty miles away,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was taught by traveling teachers during the early years. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they would come stay for months for a few months

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<v Speaker 1>before moving on to other areas. So school was never

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<v Speaker 1>that important to Joaquin and he quit after elementary school. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but this did lead to stories about how bad his

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<v Speaker 1>handwriting was. Were you were you a good student? Then

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<v Speaker 1>what was the subject that most tripped you out?

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<v Speaker 2>Math?

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<v Speaker 1>MATHA.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a good math student, it really, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it got my armpits real.

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<v Speaker 1>Drink, Yeah, it got my arm pits are flowing.

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<v Speaker 2>It scared me. I would hide. I would hide under

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<v Speaker 2>the desk, like every time we had to do problems

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the pisa, whatever it is on the blackboard. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was very scary for me.

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<v Speaker 1>There is very little dread, similar to that pit in

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<v Speaker 1>your stomach when you don't have your homework right, but

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<v Speaker 1>when you know you can't fucking do it whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like you don't have it and they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>ask for it and it's today, and your like mouth

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<v Speaker 1>is dry and like it's just like there's very little

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<v Speaker 1>feelings like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like peeing your pants. Your mouth is dry, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're very wet and others.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, can you figure out the moisture, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the distribution is not working for me. My handwriting is

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassingly bad, though, so I just tell people that it's

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<v Speaker 1>ase I imitated my doctor father's writing, which is not true.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just my hands have always shaken for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>You're shaking now, I'm a shaky guys, shall Yeah, Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>shakes over here. So for Joaquin, penmanship didn't really matter

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<v Speaker 1>that much. No, no, because he had other work to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like there were a lot of jobs

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<v Speaker 1>in his hometown, right. Latuna was a farming community, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Joaquin did. He would go up into the

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<v Speaker 1>mountains and work on raising the area's cash crops opium,

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<v Speaker 1>poppies and marijuana plans. Okay, yeah, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So during harvest season, Joaquin and all of his brothers

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<v Speaker 1>were busy hiking from farm to farm cutting buds of

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<v Speaker 1>one kind or another.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, his past is a little hazy, but as the

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<v Speaker 1>legend goes, Joaquin's dad worked as a driver and the

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<v Speaker 1>boys would cut in stack and then their father would

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<v Speaker 1>drive the harvest to suppliers in Juliakan and Juan Muchil. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is one major problem with his arrangement. So

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<v Speaker 1>Joaquin's dad was supposed to sell the crops and then

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<v Speaker 1>come back home with the money, but instance he would

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<v Speaker 1>collect the money and immediately go on a fucking bender dude,

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<v Speaker 1>like drink sex, whatever, crazy shit he felt like he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He dipped into the stash.

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<v Speaker 1>She dipped into the set. You never go into your

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<v Speaker 1>o stash, the number one rule. You don't go into

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<v Speaker 1>the set. Bro. You're never talk about my club, and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't go into your own stash. Right, that's such

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<v Speaker 1>a classic story of the fields sometimes where the father's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, h I could use this not all the

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<v Speaker 1>time I knew, but like I could use this to

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<v Speaker 1>you my family. Or there's a saloon over here. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like the West saloon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, very western.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you never know. It's not like it's the eighteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>For fuck it. We'll suspend in this belief. So obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Joaquin was extremely tired of this year after year, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted more than just grinding poverty for himself and

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<v Speaker 1>his family, which, to be honest, fare, so he saved

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<v Speaker 1>up balloon money until he could move away from home

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<v Speaker 1>and to start his own marijuana plantation. Oh he's an

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<v Speaker 1>industrial list. Good for him, Good for him, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>up his spot close to the bigger town of Baddi

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<v Speaker 1>ra Wato. It's not like I can ask my producers

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm pronouncing this correctly. Buddy got what they got

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<v Speaker 1>Buddy Baddy okay, which sounds like a name of a

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<v Speaker 1>sexy regged tone dance, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Like for sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, Baddy got Thank you for indulging me. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the crazy thing was that this whole start my

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<v Speaker 1>own farm thing when he was only fifteen, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>it happened. And he brung brought along people in his

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<v Speaker 1>family to help him. Brung, he brung along people in

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<v Speaker 1>his family to help and get the mistake number one rule.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't talk about fight club, you don't go into

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<v Speaker 2>your own stash, and you don't bring your own family

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<v Speaker 2>to your business.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big misry the business. So by twenty he

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<v Speaker 1>was married and he was starting to make some real

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<v Speaker 1>money enough to support all of them. Wow, And and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's like, oh my god, I knew he was always

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<v Speaker 1>going to make something of himself, And like, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't know you didn't, but okay, one thing to

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<v Speaker 1>know about Howking is he was pretty short. Okay, he

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<v Speaker 1>only grew up to be five foot six. It had

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a stock if you sik. And that's what

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<v Speaker 1>gave him his nickname. It was slang for shorty. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know who we're talking about? Chapel You got it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, shivers down my spine.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that. I don't know who that whose voice

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<v Speaker 1>that was, but it was really into my soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can you believe so? In one of all the

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<v Speaker 1>nickname for for short people is chaparros. What is it

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<v Speaker 1>in Columbia? Do you guys have one? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>That's like like like no, like what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like little gnome?

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<v Speaker 2>Little like little gnome?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so fucked up that we are like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that's what you'll be known for your entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're growing up in Latin America, you get one nickname, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one nickname. It's and it's attributed to your physical whatever, always.

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<v Speaker 1>With what you can see.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, that's rude, and it's like now we're like

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<v Speaker 2>in this phase of like, oh we're starting to to

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, don't comment on my body, don't like talk

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<v Speaker 2>about my physical attributes. But Latin America don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>But in Americas you're like, yeah, yeah, if you're dark,

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<v Speaker 1>you're the dark one. If you're like light, you're the

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<v Speaker 1>light one.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're like machete. If you killed somebody one

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<v Speaker 2>time with a machete.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you believe you kill somebody one time and they

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<v Speaker 1>call you machette forever? Like that's unfair. They give me

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<v Speaker 1>a chance. So yes, you got him. And Chapel's full

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<v Speaker 1>name was Juaquin Archivaldo Guzman nomine like a soap opera star,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and by the seventies he had caught

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<v Speaker 1>the attention of some really big players in Mexican cartels.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say his name one more time, just

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<v Speaker 1>for the fuck of it. Ja. I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>like there's a certain university in Guatemala where where if

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<v Speaker 1>you're from there, you tend to announce every one of

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<v Speaker 1>your names, and it's like my name number seven. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, I know where you went to school, NDA,

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<v Speaker 1>but and like, okay, well what's your full name? Josserturo

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<v Speaker 1>Castro rees.

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<v Speaker 2>You also have like five names Yeah, what is your name,

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<v Speaker 2>Diane Guerrero. No, there's I don't have a second name.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess my mom. My mom's name is Bessera.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Dian Gerrero Beserra.

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<v Speaker 2>Diane Gerrero Beerra.

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<v Speaker 1>See. I expect you by the end of this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>to start hyphenating that ship. I know, I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to unpack something. Did you ever consider changing your name

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<v Speaker 1>to something less Latino when you were starting out?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you know what, I was always really proud of

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<v Speaker 2>the name Guerrero, and it was my dad's name.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, it means warrior in Spanish.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, Yeah, it's really what like I felt inside

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<v Speaker 2>of like who I was, and I really wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>honor my.

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<v Speaker 1>Father one hundred percent. I considered it for a brief second,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I'm jos Erturo Castro, you know, and like

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<v Speaker 1>I got like the first when I first moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the States, people couldn't really pronounce Arturo, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck that, I have to change it. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>met this director called Angei Karkowski's and he's like, He's like, kids,

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<v Speaker 1>if they can say name, they gonna say.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been this ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what name did you What name did you consider?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to know. Please make me do don't

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<v Speaker 1>make me do this in front of my Film Nation buddies,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, they get them, get them down by.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was gonna be it was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Descant, Joseph Descent with an apostrophe. Let me walk

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<v Speaker 1>you through this, Yes, let me walk you through this. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So my first name and I was like, Joseph fucking easy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then my mother's maid enim name is Ruis Santiso,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, that's it. I'm just instead of

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<v Speaker 1>they like d E, I'm going to do like hyphenated

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<v Speaker 1>D and then it's going to be descent. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to leave now. But thank you guys so much

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<v Speaker 1>for having me. Oh my god, Film Nation. This is great. Diane,

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<v Speaker 1>you're the new host of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my podcast. Now get used to it. Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>you call me out, Ben Wow, I'm glad you kept

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Dessant is leaving the building. So after a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't working for himself anymore. No, no, no, Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>old Chapel was employed by the drug lord Ecto Eluero Bama,

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<v Speaker 1>and the chapel was trusted with the difficult stuff. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>He transported drugs and supervised shipments from the Sierra Made

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<v Speaker 1>region to cities on the US and Mexico border, and

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<v Speaker 1>the chapel was super ambitious. The little guy, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, little a pinch him if it wasn't such

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking psycho. The story goes that he was always

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<v Speaker 1>pushing for more responsibility. Over and over. He tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get his bosses to give him more responsibility, bigger shipments,

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<v Speaker 1>and a bigger share of their business.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, one story says that he basically never talked

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<v Speaker 1>about anything else. That Chapo. He's always talking about drug business.

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<v Speaker 1>Wherever he is, with whatever people he's with, he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about drugs. Is this an Italian Mexican dude, Toria? Or

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<v Speaker 1>where's he? Where's he from? A fucking COMI Tori, I

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<v Speaker 1>produced everybody. Have you ever gotten so obsessed with one

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<v Speaker 1>particular thing that you start to annoy your family and

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<v Speaker 1>friends because you can't talk about anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>The Fresh Prince of Balat song, I just couldn't stop

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<v Speaker 2>singing it. No, yeah, yeah, for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I worked for ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. Yeah, exactly exactly. I still do to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was like definitely a one week where I

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like just became obsessed. I just was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>I can rap now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah No, So like, you know, you got in one

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<v Speaker 1>little little fight and your mom got scared.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, moving with you, Auntie and uncle and ballet.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it, don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia's song is gonna come so for a cab and

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<v Speaker 2>when it came near. Sorry, but Chapa was like this,

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, you couldn't stop talking about the business.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's go back to a chapel. So in November

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four brought a little shake up to the business.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Mexican military got a hot tip from an

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<v Speaker 1>inside man. He got the hot goss right that cheese

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<v Speaker 1>me and they rated a large marijuana plantation owned by

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<v Speaker 1>the Wild Hata cartel known as Francho Buffalo. So in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five, the cortel figured who the snitch was

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<v Speaker 1>and killed them because that's what these mass murdering fuck

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<v Speaker 1>heads tend to do. So after that raid, Mexico responded

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<v Speaker 1>by carrying out a massive manhunt for those involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the incident and they swept out tons of cartel players.

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<v Speaker 1>So with the leaders in the business arrested or on

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<v Speaker 1>the run, CHAPO saw an opportunity. The FEDS were smashing

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<v Speaker 1>off cartel operations and they were leaving a vacuum behind

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<v Speaker 1>a space that ol CHAPO could fill, a very tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>tiny Chapel filled space. So one of the imprisoned cartel

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<v Speaker 1>leaders called for a summit in a Capulco a few

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<v Speaker 1>years later, and at the meeting, Chapel and others who

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<v Speaker 1>had daunched the raid discussed the future of Mexico drug trafficking.

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<v Speaker 1>They agreed to divide up the territories.

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<v Speaker 2>They rented like a huge spa, like like a whole

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<v Speaker 2>like hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, don't come in here until your cheese. The line, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>your cheese, not fucking a ligne. I Hey, hey, Chapel,

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<v Speaker 1>a little more margerite up on the chapel, please, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. Find your voice, find your inside voice,

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<v Speaker 1>and then talk to me.

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<v Speaker 2>We had like group games trying to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>get to know each other and everything. Trustful icebreakers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not your fault. It's just a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>fucking rounds. Being like it's not your fault, and like

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<v Speaker 1>crying into each other like uh, goodwill hunting. It was

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<v Speaker 1>really actually yeah, the most emotionally connected moment for all cartels.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So after this peaceful retreat, they all agreed to divide

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<v Speaker 1>up the territories previously controlled by the Wada Lajarak. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's when the scene la cartel was formed under three traffickers, right,

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<v Speaker 1>including a chapel but he was really the one in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>But the meeting didn't really set up a happy split

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<v Speaker 1>between the groups. It was less like cutting the cake

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<v Speaker 1>so that everybody got a slice, and more like drawing

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<v Speaker 1>the battle lines just to see what side everyone was on.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine if it really was about cake though, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what like if everybody just resolved things with a bakeof style, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>come listen to me, I don't agree with your business practice,

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<v Speaker 1>but this chocolate Fuondon is absolutely heavily No, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the chapter. No, that's not the chapter. Sound give me

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<v Speaker 1>the chapter. Sound there we go, that's the chapter. Sound

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<v Speaker 1>give me a little mariachi yell. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>God Benchuk is on it. Wow, that's not a bad one.

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<v Speaker 1>I got I got one. I got hi hi hi no, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that was not very good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one. I've been practicing now.

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<v Speaker 1>And for a little while it seemed like life was

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<v Speaker 1>good for the chapel. He started raking in millions and

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<v Speaker 1>he knew what to do with it. As the story goes,

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<v Speaker 1>he bought himself four jets, and he had ranches in

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<v Speaker 1>every state of Mexico, not to mention houses on every beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and yeah, he built his mom a little church

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<v Speaker 1>right by their house. It's is that a Heavenly give

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<v Speaker 1>me that again? He built a church right by his house.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for you because he might have been on Tapa.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's like he still like loves his believes in

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<v Speaker 2>the first community.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's exactly, it seems like it's always intertwined, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like these absolute lunatics always seem to consider themselves religious.

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<v Speaker 1>It must be part of our culture, I guess, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's your family religious.

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<v Speaker 2>Not intensely so, but I mean it's they still, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>believe in God, and everything is cudio skid it? You know,

0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.800
<v Speaker 2>everything is it sudio skid it this or that? And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that those guys they have to believe in

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<v Speaker 2>God because their survival has dependent really on that, like

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<v Speaker 2>on the fact that like God is with them, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, And the way that they repent

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<v Speaker 2>is by giving money to the church.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like these psychopaths or like people, murders, tyrants,

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<v Speaker 1>they always a line themselves to the church in order

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<v Speaker 1>to try to pay their way out of their sin

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<v Speaker 1>or their guilt, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, church is kind of like the original kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sin. Yeah, right, I mean, no, they're but they're

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<v Speaker 2>like bad folks, right, I mean, if we think about

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<v Speaker 2>the Christian Church and everything that they did.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean legally, I can't say that out

0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.919
<v Speaker 1>loud because they own the rights of my career. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I am, I'm I'm not nodding, but I'm nodding. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if if Chapel had a church, it was

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<v Speaker 1>probably his ranch in Guadalajada, and that's where he built

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<v Speaker 1>his own zou full of panthers and tigers and lions

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<v Speaker 1>and deer. Plus thank you for this, so yeah, very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus there was a little train that you could ride

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<v Speaker 1>around to see.

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<v Speaker 2>It all much never Land. He had like a never

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<v Speaker 2>Land situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of like never Land, but way less dangerous. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>oh by the way. Chapel had also had four wives.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure how that worked out, but maybe each

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<v Speaker 1>of them stayed in a different jet I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Or he went to Bernie Man and pitched like ethical

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<v Speaker 1>non monogamy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's like, we all.

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<v Speaker 1>Love each other, but we don't want to be with

0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.800
<v Speaker 1>each other that way. Chapel was making friends outside of

0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Mexico two for instance, the Million and in Colombia, they

0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:57.320
<v Speaker 1>found that he was the most efficient of the Mexican operators. Yeah. Wow,

0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.360
<v Speaker 1>no one could smuggle north across the US board as

0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.920
<v Speaker 1>fast as Chapel. To the Colombians, he was less a

0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:04.919
<v Speaker 1>Chapel and more rapid.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a favorite nickname that somebody has ever

0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:08.000
<v Speaker 1>called you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's really offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Ship, Like, you don't have to like go deep that

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<v Speaker 1>way if you don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>People called me Shrimpo Shrimpo. Okay, if you must know.

0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Because you were tiny, Yeah, Chapel was taken, so people

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:22.600
<v Speaker 1>called you Shrimpo.

0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Chapa was taken, so people call me Shrimpo.

0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.399
<v Speaker 1>They called me Joe Dessant. It was weird.

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.040
<v Speaker 2>One day I was like going into like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday school or whatever. We were practicing for like a

0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.360
<v Speaker 2>big play or whatever, and I come in and these

0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.399
<v Speaker 2>kids are laughing, and I was like, what's so funny?

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.919
<v Speaker 2>And then somebody starts saying shrimpo son so bitches, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what's happening? And They're like, they're calling

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 2>you shrimpo and I was like, why are they calling

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:46.400
<v Speaker 2>you shrimpo?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to need you to write down their

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.600
<v Speaker 1>social Security numbers and their names. We're going to get

0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Film Nation to fucking publicly cut off their their access

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to any Film Nation. Films.

0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.959
<v Speaker 2>Film Nation have this much power.

0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.639
<v Speaker 1>You don't know. You know, we do them straight. We

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.320
<v Speaker 1>got this, don't worry that yet. We got this.

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I got it joint to sign that's.

0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Showing the sun. So anyway, of course, a chap point

0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Is cartel were also making enemies, right, for instance, with

0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the other Mexican cartels. In the spring of nineteen ninety three,

0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:18.119
<v Speaker 1>and Chapel pulled up to the Wada La Airport in

0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a white Mercury Grand Marquee. As his driver parked the car,

0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a group of men rushed forward and blasted the car

0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:26.280
<v Speaker 1>with a hill of bullets. Right normal shit in Mexican.

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Dirk cartels, right, But El Chapel ran for the terminal,

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.440
<v Speaker 1>dodging the gunfire with his bodyguards. He climbed onto the

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.280
<v Speaker 1>baggage carousel and dove thlew the opening into the back

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 1>of the airport. Now, the sad as part of these

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.560
<v Speaker 1>cartel wars are all the innocent people that are killed

0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.399
<v Speaker 1>and effected by it, right, Like, literally, no one nowhere

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.480
<v Speaker 1>was safe during this time. Right. But once they were

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 1>thought to be on the other side, a Chapoint his

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.639
<v Speaker 1>souldiers ran across the runway and into the forest behind.

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 1>It was an escape of swords. But at Chapel wasn't

0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the only one who arrived at the airport in a

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.119
<v Speaker 1>white mercury. The other one was the archbishop of the

0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Catholic Church in Mexico, Cardinal Ocampo, who by all accounts

0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.919
<v Speaker 1>was a really sweet man. And the assassin said hit

0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.679
<v Speaker 1>his car as well because of the confusion, and the

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Cardinal had been shot and killed in broad daylight. I

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.639
<v Speaker 1>didn't know this, but anyway, at first the murder was

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 1>spinned on the chapel, but the shooters were hitmen in

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 1>from the Tijuana cartel. Apparently, a Chapel was devastated by

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:24.200
<v Speaker 1>the cardinal's death. As we you know already, he's a

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.600
<v Speaker 1>religious he's got a church, he's got a church. And

0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.159
<v Speaker 1>he blamed the Tijuana cartel double right, first for the

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 1>hit itself and second for letting him take the blame

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.680
<v Speaker 1>for the Cardinal Ocampo's murder. Now, regardless of the blame game,

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.359
<v Speaker 1>a cardinal had still been killed, and this put a

0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Chapel in the international crosshairs.

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.199
<v Speaker 2>International crosshairs. What do you mean? Like that means like

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Italy called and was like, you killed one of us.

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 2>He's done.

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:53.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Italy was a was a mechanic from the

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>pre hold, New Jersey. But yeah, exactly. So cardinals are

0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:59.840
<v Speaker 1>like one step down from the pope. So anytime one

0:23:59.880 --> 0:24:02.640
<v Speaker 1>of them dies, it's a huge deal. And even more

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:10.159
<v Speaker 1>if it was a murder, Chapel now had the attention

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 1>of the world, right, and now he also had the

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 1>attention of the Mexican government.

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 2>This is nineteen eighty five.

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen eighty five, yeah, okay, okay, the year I was born.

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Where ye wear were you were born?

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Eighty six babies?

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm old man than you.

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Is he still alive, by the way, yes, okay, good, good, good.

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 1>But so so feel good. So as a fence closed in,

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Chapel decided he would rather try to slip away from

0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:34.919
<v Speaker 1>the scrap than try and deal with the authorities. So

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.400
<v Speaker 1>to get out from the limelight, hwalking and his girlfriend

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 1>decided to take a trip to Guatemala. Why the fuck

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 1>was he in Watemala?

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Get out of Guatemala, Get on.

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Actually Chapel was apparently trying to drive to Elsa to

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 1>try to start a business connection.

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 2>There, but you know he was he ended up in Guatemala.

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 1>He was driving through Watemala because it was just on

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the way, and he was like, actually, this is kind

0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>of nice. And I don't blame him because the waterm

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:00.360
<v Speaker 1>that's the shit.

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I've actually been seeing more of Guatemala on

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 2>your trips. I'm like, I'm online stalking you and I'm like,

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 2>what is he doing it? And that's right, guatemalaks gorgeous.

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>The whole point in my career is to take tourism

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 1>away from Costa Rica. That's all. There is one big

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>long play from the Watermelon Tourism Board to just make

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>sure that I get more than one person there a year.

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm going I'll give you all the good spot I

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>got something that will take care of you. It's our

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 1>producer from a film nation.

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:27.919
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>We got you, Kevi. Don't worry, don't worry.

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Thanks guys.

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So, to make sure that this trip was totally under

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the radar, and Chapel paid a Wanmalan military official one

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>point two million dollars to allow him to hide south

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.879
<v Speaker 1>of the Mexican border. Yeah, so the guy took the money,

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:45.199
<v Speaker 1>but he would also passed on the information about El Chapels.

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Whereabout the law force? The fuck them both. But also,

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 1>you can't trust the guy who's already corrupt, buddy boy. Right.

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 1>In June nineteen ninety three, when Chapel was on his

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:57.800
<v Speaker 1>way back from he set up a meeting with a

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>watermelon cut But when he showed up for his meeting

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.159
<v Speaker 1>at hotel near Tapachula instead of this guy, he was

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 1>actually greeted by the watermelon army. Yes, they loaded him

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>into what No, are you on his side?

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I get scared?

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Who saw you on?

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't like authority? Okay, well, not that I'm not

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.919
<v Speaker 2>on the Chapel side, but I gotta say I'm not

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 2>on the fucking military side either.

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough, fair enough, So They loaded him on

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 1>a military plane and flew him back to Mexico. But

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:31.439
<v Speaker 1>on the ride, Chapel was interrogated and he confessed to

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a ton of crimes. Apparently he could still only talk

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 1>about one thing. Like everybody's like, you need to tell

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 1>us all about this. No, no, no, no way, wait till

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.879
<v Speaker 1>you hear this one. So when he landed, a Chapel

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 1>was taken to Federal Social Readaptation Center number one, a

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>maximum security prison in Alas. It needs a new fucking name.

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>That's too long, I'll tell you what. Not very catchy,

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>is it?

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 2>No? It snow Alcatraz.

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it needs a name like El Spot or whatever

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the fuck you know. So the Chapel was sending to

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty years and he was transferred to a different maximum

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>security person in Halley School, Federal Social Readaptation Center number two. So, uh,

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>this one, this, this one went by a much catcher name.

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was called Puente. Oh it was a big bridge,

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>good for you guys. But by putting a Chapel in

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>a cell that wasn't gonna be enough to shut that down.

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Why does it suddenly turn into an a SMR session? Now?

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>While he was in prison, at Chapel's drug empire, and

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the cartel continued to operate unabated. His brother was known

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 1>as the chicken Stock. Yeah, I started got it wasn't

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>the most fierce emine. I feel like everyone in want

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 1>of moll In Center America had a nickname too. Mine

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>was it Poopies, by the.

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Way, you just like pooped your pants.

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Well that no, because I was a pupilio by the way,

0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>because my friends are. When I was thirteen, I met

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>the high schoo kids. They were older, and they taught

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 1>me all my fucked up ways, Like they taught me

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 1>how to smoke cigarettes and like, and I was like,

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm thirteen be doing this, but I.

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Want to, but you were like really cool. So they're

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>like Poopies.

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they called me, oh man, that's like our little mascot.

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 1>That's like our little paddaw on the Poopies. But the

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>problem with that nickname is that everybody assumes immediately like

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>just to shat myself.

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, uncontrollably all the time.

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 1>It didn't come on until later on in life. And

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>that's how I got this podcast. Anyway. So during his

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>time in the Clink, and Chapel even met his longtime

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 1>mistress former police officer a name Sulima. She was serving

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>time for arm robbery.

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, fucking yeah, Hey, hey jinks, hey jings, buddy boy.

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Apparently Chapel spotted her during a family visitation time and

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>started sending her flowers, love letters, and even a bottle

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of whiskey that the guards brought to her. Oh my god.

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>They say romance is dead, you guys, But no, not

0:28:55.200 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>for a family visitation means that his family aka his wife,

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>was fucking visiting him and he's like, who's that over there?

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>He seems like trouble. But while Chapel was carrying on

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>with his prison romance, he was indicted in San Diego

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>on US charges of money laundering and importing tons of

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>cocaine into California. At first, he seemed fine to a Chapel.

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, he was in Mexico and not the US.

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>He was already in prison, so what can they do

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to him? But then the Supreme Court in Mexico handed

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>down a ruling that made extradition between Mexico and the

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 1>United States much easier.

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>So the United States basically brought him.

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>By fucking accent, So they brought him, no, no, no,

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>not yet no, but a ruling from the Supreme Court

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 1>made it easier. Right, So before that it was kind

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>of like, you know, you could stall it forever. But

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>now it was basically in the works, and the Chapel

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't intend to get shipped to the United States, so

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>he set a plan into motion.

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, so he got extradited to the United States.

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Yet, but the threat was imminent, right, and suddenly became

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>a real possibility. So he started the plan to get

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the fuck out of prison, which brings us to the

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>year two thousand and one and the escape the first

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and made El Chapel famous as an escape artist. Or

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>in other words, we're finally back till laundry day, Diana,

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for this? Yes, that's rock and roll.

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.479
<v Speaker 1>So the plan starts with a prison guard nicknamed El

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Chito or the silent one. All right, so he was

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>the one in charge of the prison laundry. So when

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>laundry day came it, Chito was a man who hit

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the switch that opened Il Chapel cell door. Once a

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Chapel cell door was opened, Ichito rolled the laundry cart

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>inside El Chapel, popped in. Come on you little munchkin

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:53.719
<v Speaker 1>nestling down into the dirty clothes. I've never been tempted

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>to jump into a pile of dirty clothes, but clean clothes. Fuck, yeah, man,

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I get the impulse.

0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:58.959
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah for sure.

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay. From there on, the route was simple but strewn

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>with obstacles, and Chito would have to roll the laundry

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>cart through multiple security checkpoints where a guard could look

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>down through the glass and see who was waiting at

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the door. But of course it Chito was a familiar

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 1>figure doing a familiar job, so the guards let him

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>pass through the doors one by one, pushing the cart

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>the way he always did. At one point, as the

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>story goes, and Chito stopped to talk to one of

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the guards and he let go of the cart and

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it started to roll away, And he should have known

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>something was up because the cart started going w so

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>e Chito had to jump forward and grab it, but

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>eventually he pushed the cart right out the front door.

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Whoa As a maximum security prison, the JLISKO facility was

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>supposedly equipped with heat sensors and surveillance camera, all kinds

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of locked doors and other stuff that should have caught

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>a chapel on his way out, but he slipped past

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>all of them undetected. As a Chito rolled the cart

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>through the electronic doors. One by one, the sensors that

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>should have detected Chapel never went off. Wow, he left

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>without trace all. The most one thing he did leave

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>was a love note for Suleima. Oh my gosh, I

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>say goodbye, sending all my greatest sentiments that the man

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>can feel for a woman that he loves loves. And

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>she was like, you left me, You fucking left me,

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>your fucking bastard. Soon there may be an excellent surprise surprise.

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I love you, signed J g L.

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Goose you say j g L, also known as with

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 2>the actor's name j g L.

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Joseph Gordon love it.

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, dude, he's L Chappo. I knew it.

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>You are the fucking Chappo. I knew it. His career

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>started around the same time that fucking escape happened. That's wild,

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>that's right. And remember though his handwriting was so terrible,

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>right and chappos so she probably didn't know what the

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>fuck he was saying. It was just like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like this is just a bunch of scratches.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he like, I'll be back for you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, he was just like he was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, it's been fun, see you later. Hey, let

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>me ask you something. Has ever has anyone ever made

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<v Speaker 1>a love gesture to you that was like that really

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<v Speaker 1>turned you off because it was so grading?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, names okay, so let me tell you something. It

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 2>was I was dating this guy and like I went

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<v Speaker 2>over his house. He like made dinner. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>really nice, and then you know we're we're like kind

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>of like laying on his bed and I like look

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 2>over and on his nightstand is a picture of me

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<v Speaker 2>with my prom date. It was a picture of me

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<v Speaker 2>and my prom date, like a prom picture of me.

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<v Speaker 2>He had it framed, and I was like, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you He didn't go to high school with you? No,

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<v Speaker 1>from your Facebook or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where he got it from, but yeah,

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>he took a picture of me with another guy and

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:51.959
<v Speaker 2>it was on his nightstand and I thought, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's so fucking creepy.

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>It was so creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're still together to this date, which is always happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're it and now we're check it out.

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>No, and then check it out. His ex girlfriend came later.

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<v Speaker 1>That day to could like to start to start some

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>ruckus at the apartment to.

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Start some ship ready, and this kid sticks me in

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<v Speaker 2>the closet. Dude, I felt very unsafe, very you know.

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I'm so sorry that happened to you.

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.399
<v Speaker 1>So my biggest turn off is when I when I

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>was when I was single, and I would go to

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>a girls house and she didn't have fucking pictures of

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.479
<v Speaker 1>me and my promp printed on her fucking night side.

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, how do you do? You not give a

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 1>fuck about me? Done? Done? You're done to me, kidd.

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>So back to the Chapo. So once his tender Little

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Love No. Was delivered, he was on his way. Once

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>he was outside at Tapao, jumped from the laundry into

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:43.839
<v Speaker 1>a trunk of a car that was waiting for them,

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and Chito jumped into the driver's seat and chauffeured them

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>out of town. Now, one story says that Chapel was

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>dressed as a prison guard by the time they got outside.

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 1>That sounds a little too much to be honest. When

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I Chito had to stop the getaway car for gas,

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 1>he pulled over at a station and he went inside

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 1>to pay and he went back out and chapel was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>What yeah, man, you got left at the author by

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.280
<v Speaker 1>because you're a fucking dumbass. Maybe you should have shouted

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>after him, but you're too quiet because we took out

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>on he had taken off into the night on foot

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>apparently damn So police launched in nationwide search the warden

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and over seventy prison workers were detained and question this

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>potential accomplices, I mean, of course, like what the fuck? Man?

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Of course, regardless when all the bribes on record were

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 1>taled up. The escape supposedly cost a chapel two point

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>five million dollars. Like that's a lot of money, I guess,

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>but like not doing chapel right now, Like it's a

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>fucking dropping a bucket. And besides, he went on to

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>have a successful Hollywood career and eventually do a show

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>with me as Joseph Goordon Levitt, so at all it

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>was worth it. In addition to the prison employee accomplices,

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 1>there's a story that police in Hallis School were paid

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>off to ensure that the chapel had at least twenty

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>four hours to get out of the state, and say

0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>ahead of the military manhunt that followed founded a Chapel

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes strolled into restaurants as his body guard confiscated people's

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>cell phones, and he would eat his meal and then

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>leave after paying everyone's tap. Imagine he's just one of

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.240
<v Speaker 1>those customers at a restaurant, but like, there's nothing anyone

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>can do, right, You're like right, You're like, I don't know.

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>As long as we're ordering, Can I get the nacho

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>cheese please?

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 2>He paid for our job.

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>So for more than thirteen years, Mexican security forces coordinating

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 1>many operations to re arrest El Chapel, but their efforts

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>were largely in vain. He appeared to be always a

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>few steps ahead of his captors, like in his early days,

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 1>when a Chapel moved away from Natuna to fire up

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>his business. He wouldn't stay hidden in the boondogs forever.

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 1>But that's another story for another day. That's our story.

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 2>What, oh my gosh, I actually didn't know much about

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>a Chapel.

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know about this. This, I didn't know about

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>his first escape. I knew about the second one that

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll cover at a later date.

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.240
<v Speaker 2>I never knew. I didn't know he was such a romantic.

0:36:58.280 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 2>But I should have known because of the whole cape

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 2>they I mean to go down because you were like

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>this much in love with someone is.

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Being a hornball listen. So so in order to wrap up,

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>wrap up the show, I want Benchuk to play that

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>romantic music again. I mean, I'm a terrible singer, but

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 1>you're such a wonderful singer. Maybe we'll like sing back,

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>like we'll invent what Sulema's response was to him, and

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>we'll just a little back and forth once once, once

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:23.919
<v Speaker 1>or twice back what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's soulem Chaito?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that you.

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 2>See?

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Because I have to go meet Okay del Castillo. See

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>did you leave.

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 2>A big fat bag for me?

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I have nowhere else to go. Poo poo when I

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>was hiding in the laundry. Back, but I love you.

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I will be back, Pito.

0:37:58.520 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Miquel.

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>No, I just have to go make a film career

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and work with Jonathan Nolan, with Chris Nolan.

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 2>But I'm pregnant. I have your child.

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 1>His name is Chuckie. Oh my god, what a fucking

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>pleasure to have you come back anytime? Will we come

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 1>back and visit it sometime? Please?

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, so listeners can find you on the socials, of course,

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>but also catch you in the upcoming film The Whistler

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and the final season of Doom Patrol.

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<v Speaker 2>Final season of Doom Patrol.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can catch that in HBO Max.

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, HBO Max first season. If you haven't

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 2>watched Ganto and heard me sing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, god, you're so good in that. I can't

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that. You know what, I was so

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:56.720
<v Speaker 1>proud of I watch you performing the fucking Oscars, Diane.

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 2>That I was really really nervous. I mean, of course,

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I was just like I don't know, I don't even

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 2>have words for it, but it was a really beautiful

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.399
<v Speaker 2>experience just to like I've watched that show every year,

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of like made me feel closer to

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the possibility of like ever I just I mean, I

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 2>was just kind of like, I can't believe that I'm

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 2>in a film that is being recognized, and not only that,

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 2>but a film that has that has such close ties

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 2>to my my family and my culture and my country.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>And so it was really.

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Latino joy and to Latino that that it's not about

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the tragedy of being Latin.

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 2>But ABI ex actually I'm just like, yeah, I'm like,

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like happy. You know, it was, it was a

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 2>beautiful experience. It was.

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 1>It was wonderful to see you there. Thank you, Thank

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.319
<v Speaker 1>you so much for being here. This is great as

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<v Speaker 1>Escapes guys, and until next time, make sure to not

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>leave a love letter behind.

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<v Speaker 3>Goodbye, everybody.

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