1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Welcome to Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: the wildest true escape stories of all time. This is 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: our first episode and we are kicking it off in style. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm Arturo Gastro. I'm an actor. Not that one. No, no, 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: not the one you're thinking about. The other one. Yeah, 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: that's me. So you might not be shocked to hear that. 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: I love to stir the pot. When I was younger, 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, and I've escaped some pretty crazy, life threatening situations. 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: I've always been drawn to the ingenuity that it takes 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: to escape. So when I heard about some of the 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: craziest escapes in history, I don't know, I wanted to 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: explore them in a deeper format, also having fun and 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: maybe some laughs along the way. Also, I don't make 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: the show on my own right. No man is an island, 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: So throughout the episodes you'll hear my producers aka my overlords, 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: please help me, Carl, Ben and Toy. For our story. 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: We're revisiting an early escape by one of the most 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: infamous jailbreakers of the twenty first century, and I'm joined 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: by the powerful voice of the activist, the actress, the 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: wonderful human being Diane Guerrero. Hey, so listener, what a 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: treat we have for you today, our very own Colombian sensation, 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Miss Diane Guerrero on the podcast. 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: I love that and I love that sound. 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Diane, Tell me, what do you consider to be your 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: greatest escape? 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well this was actually really PG compared 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: to something that I wanted to tell you about. 28 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: Tell me all about it. 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you. I don't consider myself a bad kid, 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I was heavily influenced 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: by movies like Home Alone or like basically where any 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: little white kid was like doing mischief. I was like, 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: it's exactly what I want to do for my career. Yes, 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: And my mom would take me to the mall a lot. 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: This was like during Christmas time, and so like the 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: mall is really decorated. This is in New Jersey, this 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: is in Boston. And so I was with my friend 38 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: and we had drinks and we the drinks were over, 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: and then all we had was ice. So we were 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: like sucking on the ice and then we were kind 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: of like on the balcony. 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: And so like, how old are you at this point? Sorry? 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: Maybe like seven eight? 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so child child, Sorry. 45 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: I was a child, Yeah, but I had ice in 46 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: my mouth and I just I happened to drop it 47 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: and it landed on someone's head and we were like, 48 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: oh shit, and we went we went back and we 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: just thought it was so funny. We just we just 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: kept doing it and but we didn't get in trouble. 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: It was like innocent, it was fine. It was multiple 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: days in the shopping mall, not just that day. So 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: the next day we went. I thought it was a 54 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: really great idea. Hey, what do you think about instead 55 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: of ice? I bring this bucket of toys. And here's 56 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: the thing. Toys back in the day, these were like 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six toys geatre made of steel. Dude, this 58 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: is like this is like big bird on a car 59 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: and that shit is heavy. And so we're like, what 60 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 2: if we throw these off of the second floor or whatever. 61 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: And so we went and we started doing this and 62 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: like it would hit people in the head, and we 63 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: thought it was hilarious and we're like whaa whatever. All 64 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: of a sudden we turn around and this guy goes, 65 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: is this yours? This man shows me my big bird 66 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: on a fire truck and I just a freaking grab it, 67 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: and I was like run. We didn't know where our 68 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: parents were. Thank god we passed by the Talbots. It's 69 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: a store that my mom was in. Anyway, I tell 70 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: her the situation and she goes, you're on your own. 71 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: You have to run. 72 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Thing to do is like I didn't throw the thing. 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: She was like exactly, and so yeah, and then we 74 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: just booked it. But the guy did say he was 75 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: going to call the cops. 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: Guess what, Dane, you have the guy here today, Come motherfucker, 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: come on out, let's do this. No, we definitely played 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: with like asbestos, like fucking rubber duckies when we were 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: chilling anyone, like you knowitas were like, yeah, that'll be fine. 80 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: It built character. 81 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: Those things hurt ye, your weapons, I know, well you. 82 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: Know, and that's and I think some of that will 83 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: be relevant to our story today. So if you're ready, Diane, 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm ready, let's escape. Hey, Benja, can you give me 85 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 1: some escape music? 86 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: There we go, Oh my god. 87 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: As a minute hand on the wall climbed towards nine, 88 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Joaquin tapped on his cell gate. The year was two 89 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: thousand and one, and Joaquin was locked inside the maximum 90 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: security prison in Jalisco. But it was finally that they 91 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: had planned for. It was his kin Sannea hey even 92 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: got everybody else just kidding, just kidding, It was not 93 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: It was more dramatic than that. 94 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: Oh. 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: He ran through all the steps in his head, the 96 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 1: upcoming maneuvers necessary. The rives handed off. The clock ticked 97 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: and ticked and ticked. All of Joaquin's tedious calculations for 98 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: a grand escape accounted to this laundry day. Today's story 99 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: is about a truly infamous character. 100 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: Uh huh. 101 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: We'll get to laundry day in a second, but to start, 102 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: let's go back to the beginning. He was born in 103 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: the spring of nineteen fifty seven into a poor family 104 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: in the rural community of Latuna, a little town in 105 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: the mountains of western Mexico, which was incidentally famous for 106 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: it's salma. Now it's salmon, goddamn it. It was like, I 107 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: m doing the pilgrims and be like, do you guys 108 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: have tuna? 109 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: They're like, sorry, it's just a salmon, just because. 110 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: Our name is Tuna, sir, Just not mean so. 111 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: So. 112 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: The nearest school to his home was about sixty miles away, 113 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: and he was taught by traveling teachers during the early years. Okay, 114 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: they would come stay for months for a few months 115 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: before moving on to other areas. So school was never 116 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: that important to Joaquin and he quit after elementary school. Okay, 117 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: but this did lead to stories about how bad his 118 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: handwriting was. Were you were you a good student? Then 119 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: what was the subject that most tripped you out? 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: Math? 121 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: MATHA. 122 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: It wasn't a good math student, it really, I mean 123 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: it got my armpits real. 124 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Drink, Yeah, it got my arm pits are flowing. 125 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: It scared me. I would hide. I would hide under 126 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: the desk, like every time we had to do problems 127 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: on the on the pisa, whatever it is on the blackboard. Yeah, 128 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: it was very scary for me. 129 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: There is very little dread, similar to that pit in 130 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: your stomach when you don't have your homework right, but 131 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: when you know you can't fucking do it whatever it is, 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: it's just like you don't have it and they're gonna 133 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: ask for it and it's today, and your like mouth 134 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: is dry and like it's just like there's very little 135 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: feelings like that. 136 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: You're like peeing your pants. Your mouth is dry, but 137 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: you're very wet and others. 138 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: I was like, can you figure out the moisture, like, yeah, 139 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: the distribution is not working for me. My handwriting is 140 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: embarrassingly bad, though, so I just tell people that it's 141 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: ase I imitated my doctor father's writing, which is not true. 142 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: It's just my hands have always shaken for some reason. 143 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: You're shaking now, I'm a shaky guys, shall Yeah, Jimmy 144 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: shakes over here. So for Joaquin, penmanship didn't really matter 145 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: that much. No, no, because he had other work to do. 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 1: So it's not like there were a lot of jobs 147 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: in his hometown, right. Latuna was a farming community, so 148 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: that's what Joaquin did. He would go up into the 149 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: mountains and work on raising the area's cash crops opium, 150 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: poppies and marijuana plans. Okay, yeah, oh boy. 151 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 152 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: So during harvest season, Joaquin and all of his brothers 153 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: were busy hiking from farm to farm cutting buds of 154 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: one kind or another. 155 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: You know. 156 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: Now, his past is a little hazy, but as the 157 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: legend goes, Joaquin's dad worked as a driver and the 158 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: boys would cut in stack and then their father would 159 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: drive the harvest to suppliers in Juliakan and Juan Muchil. Yeah, 160 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: but there is one major problem with his arrangement. So 161 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: Joaquin's dad was supposed to sell the crops and then 162 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: come back home with the money, but instance he would 163 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: collect the money and immediately go on a fucking bender dude, 164 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: like drink sex, whatever, crazy shit he felt like he was. 165 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: He dipped into the stash. 166 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: She dipped into the set. You never go into your 167 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: o stash, the number one rule. You don't go into 168 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: the set. Bro. You're never talk about my club, and 169 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: you don't go into your own stash. Right, that's such 170 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: a classic story of the fields sometimes where the father's 171 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: just like, h I could use this not all the 172 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: time I knew, but like I could use this to 173 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: you my family. Or there's a saloon over here. I 174 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: don't know why. 175 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: This is like the West saloon. 176 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, it's. 177 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: Okay, very western. 178 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you never know. It's not like it's the eighteen hundreds. 179 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: For fuck it. We'll suspend in this belief. So obviously, 180 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: Joaquin was extremely tired of this year after year, Right, 181 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: He wanted more than just grinding poverty for himself and 182 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: his family, which, to be honest, fare, so he saved 183 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: up balloon money until he could move away from home 184 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: and to start his own marijuana plantation. Oh he's an 185 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: industrial list. Good for him, Good for him, he said, 186 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: up his spot close to the bigger town of Baddi 187 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: ra Wato. It's not like I can ask my producers 188 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: if I'm pronouncing this correctly. Buddy got what they got 189 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: Buddy Baddy okay, which sounds like a name of a 190 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: sexy regged tone dance, doesn't it? 191 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: Like for sure? 192 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Uh, Baddy got Thank you for indulging me. I love that. 193 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: But the crazy thing was that this whole start my 194 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: own farm thing when he was only fifteen, that's when 195 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: it happened. And he brung brought along people in his 196 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: family to help him. Brung, he brung along people in 197 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: his family to help and get the mistake number one rule. 198 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: You don't talk about fight club, you don't go into 199 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 2: your own stash, and you don't bring your own family 200 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 2: to your business. 201 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: It's a big misry the business. So by twenty he 202 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: was married and he was starting to make some real 203 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: money enough to support all of them. Wow, And and 204 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh my god, I knew he was always 205 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: going to make something of himself, And like, yeah, no, 206 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: you didn't know you didn't, but okay, one thing to 207 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: know about Howking is he was pretty short. Okay, he 208 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: only grew up to be five foot six. It had 209 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of a stock if you sik. And that's what 210 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: gave him his nickname. It was slang for shorty. Do 211 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: you know who we're talking about? Chapel You got it? 212 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, shivers down my spine. 213 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: I know that. I don't know who that whose voice 214 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: that was, but it was really into my soul. 215 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 216 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, can you believe so? In one of all the 217 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: nickname for for short people is chaparros. What is it 218 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: in Columbia? Do you guys have one? Okay? 219 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: That's like like like no, like what is it? 220 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Like little gnome? 221 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: Little like little gnome? 222 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so fucked up that we are like it's 223 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: like that's what you'll be known for your entire life. 224 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: If you're growing up in Latin America, you get one nickname, and. 225 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: That's one nickname. It's and it's attributed to your physical whatever, always. 226 00:10:58,640 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: With what you can see. 227 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: They're like, that's rude, and it's like now we're like 228 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: in this phase of like, oh we're starting to to 229 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: it's like, don't comment on my body, don't like talk 230 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: about my physical attributes. But Latin America don't care. 231 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: But in Americas you're like, yeah, yeah, if you're dark, 232 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: you're the dark one. If you're like light, you're the 233 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: light one. 234 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: You know, you're like machete. If you killed somebody one 235 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: time with a machete. 236 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: Can you believe you kill somebody one time and they 237 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: call you machette forever? Like that's unfair. They give me 238 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: a chance. So yes, you got him. And Chapel's full 239 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: name was Juaquin Archivaldo Guzman nomine like a soap opera star, 240 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: and you know, and by the seventies he had caught 241 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: the attention of some really big players in Mexican cartels. 242 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: I want to say his name one more time, just 243 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: for the fuck of it. Ja. I feel like that's 244 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: like there's a certain university in Guatemala where where if 245 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: you're from there, you tend to announce every one of 246 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: your names, and it's like my name number seven. You're like, 247 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: I get it, I know where you went to school, NDA, 248 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: but and like, okay, well what's your full name? Josserturo 249 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: Castro rees. 250 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: You also have like five names Yeah, what is your name, 251 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: Diane Guerrero. No, there's I don't have a second name. 252 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: I guess my mom. My mom's name is Bessera. 253 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: Okay, Dian Gerrero Beserra. 254 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: Diane Gerrero Beerra. 255 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: See. I expect you by the end of this podcast 256 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: to start hyphenating that ship. I know, I do want 257 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: to unpack something. Did you ever consider changing your name 258 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: to something less Latino when you were starting out? 259 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: No, you know what, I was always really proud of 260 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: the name Guerrero, and it was my dad's name. 261 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: By the way, it means warrior in Spanish. 262 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: You guys, Yeah, it's really what like I felt inside 263 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: of like who I was, and I really wanted to 264 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: honor my. 265 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: Father one hundred percent. I considered it for a brief second, 266 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: just because I'm jos Erturo Castro, you know, and like 267 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: I got like the first when I first moved to 268 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: the States, people couldn't really pronounce Arturo, and I was like, 269 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: fuck that, I have to change it. And then I 270 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: met this director called Angei Karkowski's and he's like, He's like, kids, 271 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: if they can say name, they gonna say. 272 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: You know. 273 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: And I've been this ever since. 274 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: You know, what name did you What name did you consider? 275 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: You don't want to know. Please make me do don't 276 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: make me do this in front of my Film Nation buddies, 277 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: you know what, they get them, get them down by. 278 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: So it was gonna be it was going to be 279 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: Joe Descant, Joseph Descent with an apostrophe. Let me walk 280 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: you through this, Yes, let me walk you through this. Okay. 281 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: So my first name and I was like, Joseph fucking easy. 282 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: And then my mother's maid enim name is Ruis Santiso, 283 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's it. I'm just instead of 284 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: they like d E, I'm going to do like hyphenated 285 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: D and then it's going to be descent. No, I'm 286 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: going to leave now. But thank you guys so much 287 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: for having me. Oh my god, Film Nation. This is great. Diane, 288 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: you're the new host of the podcast. 289 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: This is my podcast. Now get used to it. Joseph, 290 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: you call me out, Ben Wow, I'm glad you kept 291 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. 292 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: Joe Dessant is leaving the building. So after a little while, 293 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't working for himself anymore. No, no, no, Instead, 294 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: old Chapel was employed by the drug lord Ecto Eluero Bama, 295 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: and the chapel was trusted with the difficult stuff. Right. 296 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: He transported drugs and supervised shipments from the Sierra Made 297 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: region to cities on the US and Mexico border, and 298 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: the chapel was super ambitious. The little guy, oh my god, 299 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, little a pinch him if it wasn't such 300 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: a fucking psycho. The story goes that he was always 301 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: pushing for more responsibility. Over and over. He tried to 302 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: get his bosses to give him more responsibility, bigger shipments, 303 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: and a bigger share of their business. 304 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: Right. 305 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: In fact, one story says that he basically never talked 306 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: about anything else. That Chapo. He's always talking about drug business. 307 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: Wherever he is, with whatever people he's with, he's talking 308 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: about drugs. Is this an Italian Mexican dude, Toria? Or 309 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: where's he? Where's he from? A fucking COMI Tori, I 310 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: produced everybody. Have you ever gotten so obsessed with one 311 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: particular thing that you start to annoy your family and 312 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: friends because you can't talk about anything else? 313 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: The Fresh Prince of Balat song, I just couldn't stop 314 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: singing it. No, yeah, yeah, for a while. 315 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: I just I worked for ten years. 316 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, exactly exactly. I still do to this day. 317 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: But there was like definitely a one week where I 318 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: just kind of like just became obsessed. I just was like, yo, 319 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: I can rap now. 320 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: Yeah No, So like, you know, you got in one 321 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: little little fight and your mom got scared. 322 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, moving with you, Auntie and uncle and ballet. 323 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: Do it, don't do it. 324 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: Georgia's song is gonna come so for a cab and 325 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: when it came near. Sorry, but Chapa was like this, 326 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: he was like, you couldn't stop talking about the business. 327 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go back to a chapel. So in November 328 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four brought a little shake up to the business. 329 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: So the Mexican military got a hot tip from an 330 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: inside man. He got the hot goss right that cheese 331 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: me and they rated a large marijuana plantation owned by 332 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: the Wild Hata cartel known as Francho Buffalo. So in 333 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, the cortel figured who the snitch was 334 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: and killed them because that's what these mass murdering fuck 335 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: heads tend to do. So after that raid, Mexico responded 336 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: by carrying out a massive manhunt for those involved in 337 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: the incident and they swept out tons of cartel players. 338 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: So with the leaders in the business arrested or on 339 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: the run, CHAPO saw an opportunity. The FEDS were smashing 340 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: off cartel operations and they were leaving a vacuum behind 341 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: a space that ol CHAPO could fill, a very tiny, 342 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: tiny Chapel filled space. So one of the imprisoned cartel 343 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: leaders called for a summit in a Capulco a few 344 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: years later, and at the meeting, Chapel and others who 345 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: had daunched the raid discussed the future of Mexico drug trafficking. 346 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: They agreed to divide up the territories. 347 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: They rented like a huge spa, like like a whole 348 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: like hotel. 349 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: They're like, don't come in here until your cheese. The line, guys, 350 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: your cheese, not fucking a ligne. I Hey, hey, Chapel, 351 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: a little more margerite up on the chapel, please, thank 352 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: you so much. Find your voice, find your inside voice, 353 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: and then talk to me. 354 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: We had like group games trying to like, you know, 355 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: get to know each other and everything. Trustful icebreakers. 356 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not your fault. It's just a bunch of 357 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: fucking rounds. Being like it's not your fault, and like 358 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: crying into each other like uh, goodwill hunting. It was 359 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: really actually yeah, the most emotionally connected moment for all cartels. 360 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: Wow. 361 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: So after this peaceful retreat, they all agreed to divide 362 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: up the territories previously controlled by the Wada Lajarak. So 363 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: that's when the scene la cartel was formed under three traffickers, right, 364 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: including a chapel but he was really the one in charge. 365 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: But the meeting didn't really set up a happy split 366 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: between the groups. It was less like cutting the cake 367 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: so that everybody got a slice, and more like drawing 368 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: the battle lines just to see what side everyone was on. 369 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: But imagine if it really was about cake though, Like 370 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: what like if everybody just resolved things with a bakeof style, Like, 371 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: come listen to me, I don't agree with your business practice, 372 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: but this chocolate Fuondon is absolutely heavily No, that's not 373 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: the chapter. No, that's not the chapter. Sound give me 374 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: the chapter. Sound there we go, that's the chapter. Sound 375 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: give me a little mariachi yell. Thank you very much. 376 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: God Benchuk is on it. Wow, that's not a bad one. 377 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: I got I got one. I got hi hi hi no, No, 378 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: that was not very good. 379 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: That's a good one. I've been practicing now. 380 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: And for a little while it seemed like life was 381 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: good for the chapel. He started raking in millions and 382 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: he knew what to do with it. As the story goes, 383 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: he bought himself four jets, and he had ranches in 384 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: every state of Mexico, not to mention houses on every beach. 385 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: Oh and yeah, he built his mom a little church 386 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: right by their house. It's is that a Heavenly give 387 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: me that again? He built a church right by his house. 388 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: Good for you because he might have been on Tapa. 389 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: But he's like he still like loves his believes in 390 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: the first community. 391 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: But it's exactly, it seems like it's always intertwined, right, 392 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Like these absolute lunatics always seem to consider themselves religious. 393 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: It must be part of our culture, I guess, Like, 394 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's your family religious. 395 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: Not intensely so, but I mean it's they still, yeah, 396 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: believe in God, and everything is cudio skid it? You know, 397 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: everything is it sudio skid it this or that? And 398 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: I think that those guys they have to believe in 399 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 2: God because their survival has dependent really on that, like 400 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: on the fact that like God is with them, you 401 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: know what I mean, And the way that they repent 402 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 2: is by giving money to the church. 403 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: It seems like these psychopaths or like people, murders, tyrants, 404 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: they always a line themselves to the church in order 405 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: to try to pay their way out of their sin 406 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: or their guilt, you know. 407 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: I mean, church is kind of like the original kind 408 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: of sin. Yeah, right, I mean, no, they're but they're 409 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: like bad folks, right, I mean, if we think about 410 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: the Christian Church and everything that they did. 411 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean legally, I can't say that out 412 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: loud because they own the rights of my career. But yeah, 413 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: I am, I'm I'm not nodding, but I'm nodding. Yeah. 414 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 2: No. 415 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: You know, if if Chapel had a church, it was 416 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: probably his ranch in Guadalajada, and that's where he built 417 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: his own zou full of panthers and tigers and lions 418 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: and deer. Plus thank you for this, so yeah, very nice. 419 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: Plus there was a little train that you could ride 420 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: around to see. 421 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: It all much never Land. He had like a never 422 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: Land situation. 423 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: Kind of like never Land, but way less dangerous. Oh 424 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: oh by the way. Chapel had also had four wives. 425 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how that worked out, but maybe each 426 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: of them stayed in a different jet I don't know. 427 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: Or he went to Bernie Man and pitched like ethical 428 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: non monogamy. 429 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: You know, he's like, we all. 430 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: Love each other, but we don't want to be with 431 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: each other that way. Chapel was making friends outside of 432 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: Mexico two for instance, the Million and in Colombia, they 433 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: found that he was the most efficient of the Mexican operators. Yeah. Wow, 434 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: no one could smuggle north across the US board as 435 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: fast as Chapel. To the Colombians, he was less a 436 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: Chapel and more rapid. 437 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: Wow. 438 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite nickname that somebody has ever 439 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: called you? 440 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: I mean it's really offensive. 441 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: Ship, Like, you don't have to like go deep that 442 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: way if you don't want. 443 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: People called me Shrimpo Shrimpo. Okay, if you must know. 444 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: Because you were tiny, Yeah, Chapel was taken, so people 445 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: called you Shrimpo. 446 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 2: Chapa was taken, so people call me Shrimpo. 447 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: They called me Joe Dessant. It was weird. 448 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: One day I was like going into like you know, 449 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: Sunday school or whatever. We were practicing for like a 450 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: big play or whatever, and I come in and these 451 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: kids are laughing, and I was like, what's so funny? 452 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 2: And then somebody starts saying shrimpo son so bitches, and 453 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: I was like, what's happening? And They're like, they're calling 454 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: you shrimpo and I was like, why are they calling 455 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: you shrimpo? 456 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: And I'm going to need you to write down their 457 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: social Security numbers and their names. We're going to get 458 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: Film Nation to fucking publicly cut off their their access 459 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: to any Film Nation. Films. 460 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 2: Film Nation have this much power. 461 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: You don't know. You know, we do them straight. We 462 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: got this, don't worry that yet. We got this. 463 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: I got it joint to sign that's. 464 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Showing the sun. So anyway, of course, a chap point 465 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: Is cartel were also making enemies, right, for instance, with 466 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: the other Mexican cartels. In the spring of nineteen ninety three, 467 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: and Chapel pulled up to the Wada La Airport in 468 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: a white Mercury Grand Marquee. As his driver parked the car, 469 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: a group of men rushed forward and blasted the car 470 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: with a hill of bullets. Right normal shit in Mexican. 471 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: Dirk cartels, right, But El Chapel ran for the terminal, 472 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: dodging the gunfire with his bodyguards. He climbed onto the 473 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: baggage carousel and dove thlew the opening into the back 474 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: of the airport. Now, the sad as part of these 475 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: cartel wars are all the innocent people that are killed 476 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: and effected by it, right, Like, literally, no one nowhere 477 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: was safe during this time. Right. But once they were 478 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: thought to be on the other side, a Chapoint his 479 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: souldiers ran across the runway and into the forest behind. 480 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: It was an escape of swords. But at Chapel wasn't 481 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: the only one who arrived at the airport in a 482 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: white mercury. The other one was the archbishop of the 483 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: Catholic Church in Mexico, Cardinal Ocampo, who by all accounts 484 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: was a really sweet man. And the assassin said hit 485 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: his car as well because of the confusion, and the 486 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: Cardinal had been shot and killed in broad daylight. I 487 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: didn't know this, but anyway, at first the murder was 488 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: spinned on the chapel, but the shooters were hitmen in 489 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: from the Tijuana cartel. Apparently, a Chapel was devastated by 490 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: the cardinal's death. As we you know already, he's a 491 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: religious he's got a church, he's got a church. And 492 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: he blamed the Tijuana cartel double right, first for the 493 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: hit itself and second for letting him take the blame 494 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: for the Cardinal Ocampo's murder. Now, regardless of the blame game, 495 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: a cardinal had still been killed, and this put a 496 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: Chapel in the international crosshairs. 497 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 2: International crosshairs. What do you mean? Like that means like 498 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: Italy called and was like, you killed one of us. 499 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: He's done. 500 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Italy was a was a mechanic from the 501 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: pre hold, New Jersey. But yeah, exactly. So cardinals are 502 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: like one step down from the pope. So anytime one 503 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: of them dies, it's a huge deal. And even more 504 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: if it was a murder, Chapel now had the attention 505 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: of the world, right, and now he also had the 506 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: attention of the Mexican government. 507 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: This is nineteen eighty five. 508 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty five, yeah, okay, okay, the year I was born. 509 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: Where ye wear were you were born? 510 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: Eighty six babies? 511 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm old man than you. 512 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: Is he still alive, by the way, yes, okay, good, good, good. 513 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: But so so feel good. So as a fence closed in, 514 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: Chapel decided he would rather try to slip away from 515 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: the scrap than try and deal with the authorities. So 516 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: to get out from the limelight, hwalking and his girlfriend 517 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: decided to take a trip to Guatemala. Why the fuck 518 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: was he in Watemala? 519 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 2: Get out of Guatemala, Get on. 520 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: Actually Chapel was apparently trying to drive to Elsa to 521 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: try to start a business connection. 522 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: There, but you know he was he ended up in Guatemala. 523 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: He was driving through Watemala because it was just on 524 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: the way, and he was like, actually, this is kind 525 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: of nice. And I don't blame him because the waterm 526 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: that's the shit. 527 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: So yeah, I've actually been seeing more of Guatemala on 528 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: your trips. I'm like, I'm online stalking you and I'm like, 529 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: what is he doing it? And that's right, guatemalaks gorgeous. 530 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: The whole point in my career is to take tourism 531 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: away from Costa Rica. That's all. There is one big 532 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: long play from the Watermelon Tourism Board to just make 533 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: sure that I get more than one person there a year. 534 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm going I'll give you all the good spot I 535 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: got something that will take care of you. It's our 536 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: producer from a film nation. 537 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 2: I love it. 538 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: We got you, Kevi. Don't worry, don't worry. 539 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: Thanks guys. 540 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: So, to make sure that this trip was totally under 541 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: the radar, and Chapel paid a Wanmalan military official one 542 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: point two million dollars to allow him to hide south 543 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: of the Mexican border. Yeah, so the guy took the money, 544 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: but he would also passed on the information about El Chapels. 545 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: Whereabout the law force? The fuck them both. But also, 546 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: you can't trust the guy who's already corrupt, buddy boy. Right. 547 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: In June nineteen ninety three, when Chapel was on his 548 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: way back from he set up a meeting with a 549 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: watermelon cut But when he showed up for his meeting 550 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: at hotel near Tapachula instead of this guy, he was 551 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: actually greeted by the watermelon army. Yes, they loaded him 552 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: into what No, are you on his side? 553 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 2: I get scared? 554 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: Who saw you on? 555 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: I don't like authority? Okay, well, not that I'm not 556 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: on the Chapel side, but I gotta say I'm not 557 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: on the fucking military side either. 558 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, fair enough, So They loaded him on 559 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: a military plane and flew him back to Mexico. But 560 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: on the ride, Chapel was interrogated and he confessed to 561 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: a ton of crimes. Apparently he could still only talk 562 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: about one thing. Like everybody's like, you need to tell 563 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: us all about this. No, no, no, no way, wait till 564 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: you hear this one. So when he landed, a Chapel 565 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: was taken to Federal Social Readaptation Center number one, a 566 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: maximum security prison in Alas. It needs a new fucking name. 567 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: That's too long, I'll tell you what. Not very catchy, 568 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: is it? 569 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: No? It snow Alcatraz. 570 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs a name like El Spot or whatever 571 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: the fuck you know. So the Chapel was sending to 572 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: twenty years and he was transferred to a different maximum 573 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: security person in Halley School, Federal Social Readaptation Center number two. So, uh, 574 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: this one, this, this one went by a much catcher name. 575 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: Apparently it was called Puente. Oh it was a big bridge, 576 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: good for you guys. But by putting a Chapel in 577 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: a cell that wasn't gonna be enough to shut that down. 578 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: Why does it suddenly turn into an a SMR session? Now? 579 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: While he was in prison, at Chapel's drug empire, and 580 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: the cartel continued to operate unabated. His brother was known 581 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: as the chicken Stock. Yeah, I started got it wasn't 582 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: the most fierce emine. I feel like everyone in want 583 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: of moll In Center America had a nickname too. Mine 584 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: was it Poopies, by the. 585 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: Way, you just like pooped your pants. 586 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: Well that no, because I was a pupilio by the way, 587 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: because my friends are. When I was thirteen, I met 588 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: the high schoo kids. They were older, and they taught 589 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: me all my fucked up ways, Like they taught me 590 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: how to smoke cigarettes and like, and I was like, 591 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm thirteen be doing this, but I. 592 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: Want to, but you were like really cool. So they're 593 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: like Poopies. 594 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, they called me, oh man, that's like our little mascot. 595 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: That's like our little paddaw on the Poopies. But the 596 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: problem with that nickname is that everybody assumes immediately like 597 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: just to shat myself. 598 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: You know, uncontrollably all the time. 599 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: It didn't come on until later on in life. And 600 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: that's how I got this podcast. Anyway. So during his 601 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: time in the Clink, and Chapel even met his longtime 602 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: mistress former police officer a name Sulima. She was serving 603 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: time for arm robbery. 604 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: I love it. 605 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fucking yeah, Hey, hey jinks, hey jings, buddy boy. 606 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: Apparently Chapel spotted her during a family visitation time and 607 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: started sending her flowers, love letters, and even a bottle 608 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: of whiskey that the guards brought to her. Oh my god. 609 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: They say romance is dead, you guys, But no, not 610 00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: for a family visitation means that his family aka his wife, 611 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: was fucking visiting him and he's like, who's that over there? 612 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: He seems like trouble. But while Chapel was carrying on 613 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: with his prison romance, he was indicted in San Diego 614 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: on US charges of money laundering and importing tons of 615 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: cocaine into California. At first, he seemed fine to a Chapel. 616 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: You know, he was in Mexico and not the US. 617 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: He was already in prison, so what can they do 618 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: to him? But then the Supreme Court in Mexico handed 619 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: down a ruling that made extradition between Mexico and the 620 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: United States much easier. 621 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: So the United States basically brought him. 622 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: By fucking accent, So they brought him, no, no, no, 623 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: not yet no, but a ruling from the Supreme Court 624 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: made it easier. Right, So before that it was kind 625 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: of like, you know, you could stall it forever. But 626 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: now it was basically in the works, and the Chapel 627 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: didn't intend to get shipped to the United States, so 628 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: he set a plan into motion. 629 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, so he got extradited to the United States. 630 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: Yet, but the threat was imminent, right, and suddenly became 631 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: a real possibility. So he started the plan to get 632 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: the fuck out of prison, which brings us to the 633 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: year two thousand and one and the escape the first 634 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: and made El Chapel famous as an escape artist. Or 635 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: in other words, we're finally back till laundry day, Diana, 636 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Yes, that's rock and roll. 637 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: So the plan starts with a prison guard nicknamed El 638 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: Chito or the silent one. All right, so he was 639 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: the one in charge of the prison laundry. So when 640 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: laundry day came it, Chito was a man who hit 641 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: the switch that opened Il Chapel cell door. Once a 642 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: Chapel cell door was opened, Ichito rolled the laundry cart 643 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: inside El Chapel, popped in. Come on you little munchkin 644 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 1: nestling down into the dirty clothes. I've never been tempted 645 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: to jump into a pile of dirty clothes, but clean clothes. Fuck, yeah, man, 646 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: I get the impulse. 647 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,959 Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure. 648 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: Okay. From there on, the route was simple but strewn 649 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: with obstacles, and Chito would have to roll the laundry 650 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: cart through multiple security checkpoints where a guard could look 651 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: down through the glass and see who was waiting at 652 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: the door. But of course it Chito was a familiar 653 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: figure doing a familiar job, so the guards let him 654 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: pass through the doors one by one, pushing the cart 655 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: the way he always did. At one point, as the 656 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: story goes, and Chito stopped to talk to one of 657 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: the guards and he let go of the cart and 658 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: it started to roll away, And he should have known 659 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: something was up because the cart started going w so 660 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: e Chito had to jump forward and grab it, but 661 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: eventually he pushed the cart right out the front door. 662 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: Whoa As a maximum security prison, the JLISKO facility was 663 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: supposedly equipped with heat sensors and surveillance camera, all kinds 664 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: of locked doors and other stuff that should have caught 665 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: a chapel on his way out, but he slipped past 666 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: all of them undetected. As a Chito rolled the cart 667 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: through the electronic doors. One by one, the sensors that 668 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: should have detected Chapel never went off. Wow, he left 669 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: without trace all. The most one thing he did leave 670 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: was a love note for Suleima. Oh my gosh, I 671 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: say goodbye, sending all my greatest sentiments that the man 672 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: can feel for a woman that he loves loves. And 673 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: she was like, you left me, You fucking left me, 674 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: your fucking bastard. Soon there may be an excellent surprise surprise. 675 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: I love you, signed J g L. 676 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: Goose you say j g L, also known as with 677 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: the actor's name j g L. 678 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon love it. 679 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, dude, he's L Chappo. I knew it. 680 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: You are the fucking Chappo. I knew it. His career 681 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: started around the same time that fucking escape happened. That's wild, 682 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: that's right. And remember though his handwriting was so terrible, 683 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: right and chappos so she probably didn't know what the 684 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: fuck he was saying. It was just like, I don't 685 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: like this is just a bunch of scratches. 686 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: Was he like, I'll be back for you. 687 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, he was just like he was 688 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: just like, it's been fun, see you later. Hey, let 689 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: me ask you something. Has ever has anyone ever made 690 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: a love gesture to you that was like that really 691 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: turned you off because it was so grading? 692 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 2: Yes, names okay, so let me tell you something. It 693 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: was I was dating this guy and like I went 694 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: over his house. He like made dinner. It was like 695 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: really nice, and then you know we're we're like kind 696 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: of like laying on his bed and I like look 697 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: over and on his nightstand is a picture of me 698 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: with my prom date. It was a picture of me 699 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: and my prom date, like a prom picture of me. 700 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: He had it framed, and I was like, what. 701 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: Do you He didn't go to high school with you? No, 702 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: from your Facebook or whatever. 703 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: I don't know where he got it from, but yeah, 704 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: he took a picture of me with another guy and 705 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,959 Speaker 2: it was on his nightstand and I thought, I was like, 706 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: what is this? 707 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so fucking creepy. 708 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: It was so creepy. 709 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: But you're still together to this date, which is always happened. 710 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: Now we're it and now we're check it out. 711 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 2: No, and then check it out. His ex girlfriend came later. 712 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: That day to could like to start to start some 713 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: ruckus at the apartment to. 714 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 2: Start some ship ready, and this kid sticks me in 715 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: the closet. Dude, I felt very unsafe, very you know. 716 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so sorry that happened to you. 717 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: So my biggest turn off is when I when I 718 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: was when I was single, and I would go to 719 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: a girls house and she didn't have fucking pictures of 720 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,479 Speaker 1: me and my promp printed on her fucking night side. 721 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you do? You not give a 722 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: fuck about me? Done? Done? You're done to me, kidd. 723 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: So back to the Chapo. So once his tender Little 724 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: Love No. Was delivered, he was on his way. Once 725 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: he was outside at Tapao, jumped from the laundry into 726 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: a trunk of a car that was waiting for them, 727 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: and Chito jumped into the driver's seat and chauffeured them 728 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: out of town. Now, one story says that Chapel was 729 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: dressed as a prison guard by the time they got outside. 730 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: That sounds a little too much to be honest. When 731 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: I Chito had to stop the getaway car for gas, 732 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: he pulled over at a station and he went inside 733 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: to pay and he went back out and chapel was gone. 734 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: What yeah, man, you got left at the author by 735 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 1: because you're a fucking dumbass. Maybe you should have shouted 736 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: after him, but you're too quiet because we took out 737 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: on he had taken off into the night on foot 738 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: apparently damn So police launched in nationwide search the warden 739 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: and over seventy prison workers were detained and question this 740 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: potential accomplices, I mean, of course, like what the fuck? Man? 741 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: Of course, regardless when all the bribes on record were 742 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: taled up. The escape supposedly cost a chapel two point 743 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: five million dollars. Like that's a lot of money, I guess, 744 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: but like not doing chapel right now, Like it's a 745 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: fucking dropping a bucket. And besides, he went on to 746 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: have a successful Hollywood career and eventually do a show 747 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: with me as Joseph Goordon Levitt, so at all it 748 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: was worth it. In addition to the prison employee accomplices, 749 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: there's a story that police in Hallis School were paid 750 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: off to ensure that the chapel had at least twenty 751 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: four hours to get out of the state, and say 752 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: ahead of the military manhunt that followed founded a Chapel 753 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: sometimes strolled into restaurants as his body guard confiscated people's 754 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: cell phones, and he would eat his meal and then 755 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: leave after paying everyone's tap. Imagine he's just one of 756 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: those customers at a restaurant, but like, there's nothing anyone 757 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: can do, right, You're like right, You're like, I don't know. 758 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: As long as we're ordering, Can I get the nacho 759 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: cheese please? 760 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: He paid for our job. 761 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: So for more than thirteen years, Mexican security forces coordinating 762 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: many operations to re arrest El Chapel, but their efforts 763 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: were largely in vain. He appeared to be always a 764 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: few steps ahead of his captors, like in his early days, 765 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: when a Chapel moved away from Natuna to fire up 766 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: his business. He wouldn't stay hidden in the boondogs forever. 767 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: But that's another story for another day. That's our story. 768 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 2: What, oh my gosh, I actually didn't know much about 769 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 2: a Chapel. 770 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know about this. This, I didn't know about 771 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: his first escape. I knew about the second one that 772 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: we'll cover at a later date. 773 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 2: I never knew. I didn't know he was such a romantic. 774 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 2: But I should have known because of the whole cape 775 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 2: they I mean to go down because you were like 776 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 2: this much in love with someone is. 777 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: Being a hornball listen. So so in order to wrap up, 778 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: wrap up the show, I want Benchuk to play that 779 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: romantic music again. I mean, I'm a terrible singer, but 780 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: you're such a wonderful singer. Maybe we'll like sing back, 781 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: like we'll invent what Sulema's response was to him, and 782 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: we'll just a little back and forth once once, once 783 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 1: or twice back what do you think? 784 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: Okay, that's soulem Chaito? 785 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: Is that you. 786 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 2: See? 787 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: Because I have to go meet Okay del Castillo. See 788 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: did you leave. 789 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: A big fat bag for me? 790 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: I have nowhere else to go. Poo poo when I 791 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: was hiding in the laundry. Back, but I love you. 792 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: I will be back, Pito. 793 00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: Miquel. 794 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: No, I just have to go make a film career 795 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: and work with Jonathan Nolan, with Chris Nolan. 796 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 2: But I'm pregnant. I have your child. 797 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: His name is Chuckie. Oh my god, what a fucking 798 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: pleasure to have you come back anytime? Will we come 799 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: back and visit it sometime? Please? 800 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thank you so much for having me. 801 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: Hey, so listeners can find you on the socials, of course, 802 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: but also catch you in the upcoming film The Whistler 803 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: and the final season of Doom Patrol. 804 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 2: Final season of Doom Patrol. 805 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: Yes, you can catch that in HBO Max. 806 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, HBO Max first season. If you haven't 807 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 2: watched Ganto and heard me sing. 808 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean, god, you're so good in that. I can't 809 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: I can't believe that. You know what, I was so 810 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: proud of I watch you performing the fucking Oscars, Diane. 811 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: That I was really really nervous. I mean, of course, 812 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 2: I was just like I don't know, I don't even 813 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 2: have words for it, but it was a really beautiful 814 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 2: experience just to like I've watched that show every year, 815 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: it just kind of like made me feel closer to 816 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: the possibility of like ever I just I mean, I 817 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 2: was just kind of like, I can't believe that I'm 818 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 2: in a film that is being recognized, and not only that, 819 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 2: but a film that has that has such close ties 820 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 2: to my my family and my culture and my country. 821 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 2: And so it was really. 822 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: Latino joy and to Latino that that it's not about 823 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: the tragedy of being Latin. 824 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 2: But ABI ex actually I'm just like, yeah, I'm like, 825 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 2: I'm like happy. You know, it was, it was a 826 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 2: beautiful experience. It was. 827 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: It was wonderful to see you there. Thank you, Thank 828 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: you so much for being here. This is great as 829 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: Escapes guys, and until next time, make sure to not 830 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: leave a love letter behind. 831 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 3: Goodbye, everybody. 832 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: Grace Escapes is a production IF I Heard Radio and 833 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: Film Nation Entertainment in association with Gilded Audio. 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