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Speaker 1: where we give you our breakdown of all things politics
Speaker 1: and culture. We are your hosts, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillum
Speaker 1: and I'm Angela Rye.
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Speaker 1: of that. And you know, we got some places to go.
Speaker 1: I want to start someplace a little solemn today on
Speaker 1: the other side of losing Donald Payne Junior, who's an
Speaker 1: elected member of Congress, who I love, one of my
Speaker 1: forever CBC bosses.
Speaker 4: You left us too soon, and your legacy will be
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Speaker 1: So everybody on today's episode, Louisiana is out here. Louisiana.
Speaker 1: The State House just repealed a law that required child
Speaker 1: workers to get d DA DA lunch breaks. Louisiana state
Speaker 1: representative and owner of Smoothie King franchises says he proposed
Speaker 1: the bill because children want to work without having to
Speaker 1: take lunch breaks. Oh okay, So the President signed a
Speaker 1: ninety five billion dollar for an aid package for Ukraine, Israel,
Speaker 1: and Taiwan into law. It also included that major nationwide
Speaker 1: TikTok band that they snuck into that package. And TikTok
Speaker 1: has nine months, not nine minutes, has nine months to
Speaker 1: respond and divest from its China based parent company. But
Speaker 1: they said, hoh my beer. They want to sue first.
Speaker 1: I guess all branches of government are busy this week
Speaker 1: with tiff level say it with me, Tiff nonsense, nonsense,
Speaker 1: because the Supreme Court hurt a case that could mean
Speaker 1: major consequences for the unhoused on a national level. The
Speaker 1: case comes out of Grant's Past, Oregon, where it's illegal
Speaker 1: to sleep in public spaces. A Ninth Circuit court struck
Speaker 1: down the law as unconstitutional, and now Scotus must decide
Speaker 1: whether they can make it illegal to sleep outside if
Speaker 1: they have a choice to be somewhere else.
Speaker 4: And today the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: We'll hear arguments on presidential community criminal presidential immunity. While
Speaker 1: the Court has already decided on civil immunity with Richard Nixon.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's legal argument would be to extend civil immunity
Speaker 1: to criminal And of course there's no president for this,
Speaker 1: because we only have had one thuggish, ruggish bone unprecedented president.
Speaker 1: And yes, Trump has said unprecedented y'all we don't trust
Speaker 1: the system, right right, Okay, Tiff is on the fences.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, well I didn't know. I didn't get no, amen,
Speaker 4: it's I.
Speaker 6: Didn't want to.
Speaker 5: I was waiting to see what the second part of
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 1: But for the record, she was worried about she should be.
Speaker 4: Okay, And then y'all think it's been hard on us? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yes, now, I said us.
Speaker 1: So I just want to know when in the entire
Speaker 1: hell us started including Donald Trump, because I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: he is them. But we're going to ask the blacks,
Speaker 1: and guess what, that's us. We're the blacks. We are
Speaker 1: that focus group. So y'all stay tuned for that very partial,
Speaker 1: yet persuasive focus group. We'll also brag on some Trump
Speaker 1: trial updates and what do Google more House, NYU, Columbia,
Speaker 1: and Yale have in common? They rich, they tug, and
Speaker 1: we have a very very important Justice for Marilyn Moseby update.
Speaker 1: And you know it's not home if we don't hear
Speaker 1: from the NLP fan so count on it.
Speaker 4: Let's go, Okay, Tiff and Andrews.
Speaker 1: So this week, I know it's TIFF's favorite subject, but
Speaker 1: we gotta go here.
Speaker 4: We you're talking Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: We are talking what has been named the hush money trial,
Speaker 1: but is actually the falsifying business records in the first
Speaker 1: degree trial.
Speaker 4: There have been some updates.
Speaker 1: From gag orders to David Pecker's testimony, and I think
Speaker 1: that what's really important here is we've got a perspective
Speaker 1: that you can't always.
Speaker 4: Hear everywhere else.
Speaker 1: So I love for us to talk about briefly our
Speaker 1: perspectives on this particular case and what's at stake.
Speaker 4: I'll say a little more.
Speaker 3: I'll say a little more.
Speaker 4: I mean, y'all were to sound. We all had no
Speaker 4: sound from this trout. I ain't no sound from this trout.
Speaker 5: And I'll let you there was some sound. But I
Speaker 5: don't think we need to plan on this show. But
Speaker 5: I do like what Mitt Romney said when he came
Speaker 5: out and spoke to cameras and said, I think we've
Speaker 5: all gotten to see a testament of Donald Trump's character.
Speaker 5: And you don't pay somebody one hundred thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 5: to not have sex with you, to pay it here,
Speaker 5: But I think that sums it up well.
Speaker 3: It's surprising that he paid the man. I mean that's
Speaker 3: the one. This is the piece of Donald Trump's reputation.
Speaker 3: Of course that Hillary Clinton pointed out several times. She
Speaker 3: even went to New Jersey at one of his clothesed casinos,
Speaker 3: because the man doesn't pay his bills. But in this instance,
Speaker 3: first of all, last week we talked on the show
Speaker 3: where he basically came out to cameras and said, Hey,
Speaker 3: I had a lawyer, look at it. I paid a lawyer.
Speaker 3: They told me to write it down as a campaign,
Speaker 3: you know, and so that's what that's what I did.
Speaker 3: So he said, admitted to having done it. What I
Speaker 3: found stunning was the admission by the National Inquirer, yes,
Speaker 3: of how they just wholesale went out and made up
Speaker 3: stories about Trump's opponents to elevate Donald Trump, diminish his opponents,
Speaker 3: and then stories where they have legit red meat dirt
Speaker 3: on Donald Trump. They go out by the story kill
Speaker 3: the story, a story that if put on the front
Speaker 3: page of the National Inquirer, supported by an actual bonafide witness,
Speaker 3: could actually sell more papers. So, when they were asked
Speaker 3: by the prosecutors, was it in your interest, your paper's
Speaker 3: interest to kill the Trump story? The founder rightly said
Speaker 3: mister Pecker, No, it was not in our interests. Which
Speaker 3: is what goes to the heart of this case, which
Speaker 3: is why we are seeing him in court in the
Speaker 3: first place, is that he used resources, could have bought
Speaker 3: it himself, but he didn't. It would have been legal
Speaker 3: for him to do himself, but he went through his lawyer.
Speaker 3: They tried to off escape, they tried subterfuge, they tried secrecy,
Speaker 3: they tried it all and now the man's been called
Speaker 3: to the carpet and we'll just see if he's held accountable.
Speaker 5: Well, I think a phrase that you hear a lot
Speaker 5: in this trial is catch and kill, and so just
Speaker 5: people understand what that is. That is when an entity,
Speaker 5: an outlet, catches a story, assumingly buys a story, which
Speaker 5: you know is an ethical in journalism. That's why people right,
Speaker 5: and it's important to draw that distinction, right, because they
Speaker 5: will buy a story which when you pay somebody for something,
Speaker 5: it automatically puts it to question in terms of credibility,
Speaker 5: and then kill the story. And that's what happened here.
Speaker 5: I think it's also important to note who reads the
Speaker 5: National Inquirer. These were people who were more likely to
Speaker 5: vote for Donald Trump. These are people who forgive the
Speaker 5: elitist nature of this comment, but these were people who
Speaker 5: I dare say were not the most intellectually curious if
Speaker 5: you're going to the National Inquirer for your news. And
Speaker 5: this is how we hear from our latest star. Last
Speaker 5: week we talked a bit about Stormy Daniels. This week
Speaker 5: we're hearing another old name uh makes all these charges
Speaker 5: and scandals, and that's Karen McDougal, the former Playboy model
Speaker 5: who says she had an afear with Trump in two
Speaker 5: thousand and six, and this was her whole case. She
Speaker 5: sued the American Media Inc. Which you know, David Pecker's company,
Speaker 5: which owns National Inquirer, because they caught her story. They
Speaker 5: bought her story, paid her I think one hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars, and they were going to just do
Speaker 5: away with it. She agreed to this because they agreed
Speaker 5: to then write, let her write columns, and let her
Speaker 5: be a model, but of course they never published anything
Speaker 5: for her. I think it's also interesting that she was
Speaker 5: talking about while she was a side chick, she met
Speaker 5: Malania Trump, met Donald Trump's kids, walked past Baron's bedroom
Speaker 5: and the weird stuff that she said. He said to her.
Speaker 5: He talked about how much he loves Ivanka and how
Speaker 5: beautiful she is, and he would tell her that she's
Speaker 5: beautiful like his dog. This weird, crazy, creepy stuff, and
Speaker 5: so to me, regardless of the outcome of this case,
Speaker 5: it really does put before the American people. This is
Speaker 5: the kind of person that seventy five million, mostly white
Speaker 5: people are voting for because he allows them the freedom
Speaker 5: to say the quiet part out loud. He allows them
Speaker 5: to freedom to hold mostly white power and white control.
Speaker 5: As the demographics of this country change, they would rather
Speaker 5: see it burned to ashes before they saw power equally
Speaker 5: distributed among the American body politic, which is a patchwork
Speaker 5: of all types of people, from all types of socio
Speaker 5: economic backgrounds, all types of hues. And it's sad to see. Really,
Speaker 5: I know, Angela, I'll go ahead, No, go ahead, Andrew.
Speaker 3: So Tiff. At least, at least none of us are
Speaker 3: confused about why it is they keep showing up for
Speaker 3: this man. This is yes, changing demographics, This is about power,
Speaker 3: and I just think none of us should ever forget
Speaker 3: what's at game here, even the ability for a man
Speaker 3: to be able to talk to a owner of a paper,
Speaker 3: get a story.
Speaker 4: Keelled, how about that?
Speaker 3: Get other stories that are not fact based whatsoever? Put
Speaker 3: in the cycle. And the one thing about you know,
Speaker 3: tabloids or tabloids, but some tabloids end up entering into
Speaker 3: mainstream media. They may be the first one to go
Speaker 3: that way, but they're the ones that make it a
Speaker 3: public conversation that then others can then riff from. And
Speaker 3: that's the power that this man had, and and Trump
Speaker 3: zeroed in on it and took it for a ride.
Speaker 5: Inside Edition said we were the outlet that everybody made
Speaker 5: fun of, and then the cable news outlets became.
Speaker 4: Lord, how about that? So here's the thing.
Speaker 1: So David Pecker, as Tiff described, talked about this twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen arrangement he had with Donald Trump. But more over,
Speaker 1: which you just said, Tiff, which I think is really
Speaker 1: important to our listening audience, is Donald Trump has had
Speaker 1: the ability to say the quiet part out loud. However,
Speaker 1: in this instance, in this trial, he has been reprimanded
Speaker 1: for ten instances of violating the order. Turns out the
Speaker 1: gag is up and he might not be able to
Speaker 1: keep talking as he has been talking.
Speaker 4: But on this since he's walked around immune.
Speaker 1: We know that at the center of this trial really
Speaker 1: is the intersection of white privilege and wealth privilege. And
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has escaped liability, escaped culpability because he's been
Speaker 1: able to pay his way out of everything. And so
Speaker 1: now whether or not he'll be able to continue the
Speaker 1: end that privilege is before the Supreme Court of the
Speaker 1: United States as they hear oral arguments in the presidential
Speaker 1: immunity case.
Speaker 4: Why is this different?
Speaker 1: His defense team is referencing Richard Nixon versus Fitzgerald, where
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court ruled that a president is entitled to
Speaker 1: civil immunity from litigation.
Speaker 4: What they've never.
Speaker 1: Had to decide upon, as I said in our rundown,
Speaker 1: is whether or not presidents are immune from criminal liability.
Speaker 4: And that is what is at play here.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is saying that that immunity should apply to
Speaker 1: his criminal conduct. How do y'all think the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: is going to rule on this? They're just hearing oral arguments.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: We know we won't hear this until likely around June
Speaker 1: or July, But how do y'all think that they're gonna
Speaker 1: be SciTE on this?
Speaker 5: I have a question when you the law says that
Speaker 5: a president is immune from civil immunity, what does that
Speaker 5: mean exactly? That means that somebody cannot privately sue the
Speaker 5: president while he's in office. That's right, Sonny, acts done
Speaker 5: while he was in office, got it? So any suits
Speaker 5: that existed before they took office would persist, and any
Speaker 5: suits that happen after it just can't be okay. So then,
Speaker 5: or I was gonna say, because Donald Trump was doing
Speaker 5: all kinds of things while he was in office, I
Speaker 5: was going to say, in the private sector, his children
Speaker 5: the first year they were in office at Vanka and Jared,
Speaker 5: I think made over eighty million dollars. I think that
Speaker 5: first year.
Speaker 3: So I wonder I think part of the distinction Tiff
Speaker 3: and Angela, correct me if I'm wrong. I think part
Speaker 3: of the distinction is is while you may be immune
Speaker 3: from civil lawsuit while you serve as president for actions
Speaker 3: that you take in the interests of the presidency thereby
Speaker 3: the American people.
Speaker 1: So acts that you.
Speaker 3: Take that are individual. And this is the line this
Speaker 3: man is trying to draw, right, Well, he's not trying
Speaker 3: to draw the line at all. He's saying, basically, as
Speaker 3: I am president, I'm a king. I'm immune regardless of
Speaker 3: what I've done, whether it is in the interest or
Speaker 3: in pursuit of my job as president, or whether it's
Speaker 3: in my individual Donald Trump croning, crooning, whatever capacity is
Speaker 3: the what is that stake right now with the court,
Speaker 3: And I think it's It would even be a question
Speaker 3: if this were civil. Matter has got to be whether
Speaker 3: or not a president can be held responsible for acts
Speaker 3: that are not consistent with his duties as a president
Speaker 3: while he is serving as president.
Speaker 1: And official of official action.
Speaker 3: In this, man is basically saying, if I'm president is
Speaker 3: official by right of title, anything I do is all right.
Speaker 3: And the court, if the court goes that way we
Speaker 3: said this before. If he goes out and he kills
Speaker 3: his political enemy and then says I'm president and therefore
Speaker 3: it must be legal this they have to take this
Speaker 3: to the logical extreme possibilities, and nowhere on planet Earth
Speaker 3: could it be true except in Russia with Putin? Can
Speaker 3: you kill your political enemy and never face a consequence
Speaker 3: for it because you happen to be the president?
Speaker 5: Him saying like, because I'm president, whatever I do is legal.
Speaker 5: This is definitely very reminiscent of Nixon, and it reminds
Speaker 5: me of that infamous interview with Nixon and David Frost
Speaker 5: where he's like, look, I'm the president, so whatever I did,
Speaker 5: I think the scary thing that we collectively, no matter
Speaker 5: what side of the divide you fall on here, this
Speaker 5: is such a dangerous case, you know, because if the
Speaker 5: Supreme Court of Scotus rules, if they affirm Trump's claims,
Speaker 5: they will literally upset the separation of powers and usher
Speaker 5: in this regime of lawlessness. Right, this is an existential
Speaker 5: threat to America. And if that happens, this is not
Speaker 5: what the framers intended. So for all the patriots out
Speaker 5: there who love to draw up the founding fathers that
Speaker 5: they think were these magical people, there is no case
Speaker 5: that supports Trump's arguments that he's just immused. It's just unreal.
Speaker 5: So you are unraveling uh centuries of American democracy, which
Speaker 5: I think would cast a really dark shadow over the
Speaker 5: rest of the globe. The symbolism of America is important
Speaker 5: for world order. If that falls, I shudder to see
Speaker 5: what happens.
Speaker 1: Tip to your point, You're like, there there is no case.
Speaker 1: There really is no case, like the idea, there's nothing
Speaker 1: for them to harken back to, because there was a
Speaker 1: point in time in this country, not long ago, where
Speaker 1: even a tan suit was criminal in the in the
Speaker 1: old way, you know what I mean. But there is
Speaker 1: there is this this double, this triple, this quadruple standard
Speaker 1: where you can escape just because you're highly popular. You
Speaker 1: can escape because of your celebrity. You can escape because
Speaker 1: of the number of people who live in their fear,
Speaker 1: who aspire to be like you. And this is the
Speaker 1: indeed the problem. I am terrified about whether or not
Speaker 1: this Supreme Court, the makeup of this Supreme Court, can
Speaker 1: remember that their obligation is to interpret the Constitution and
Speaker 1: its intent for this country, not to protect this flamethrower.
Speaker 1: You know, like your your obligation is not to protect
Speaker 1: this reckless human being who will single handedly. And I
Speaker 1: should stop saying that because I know better. I believe
Speaker 1: what Harry Reid said when he said this was the
Speaker 1: Republican Party's freak, itsign, not single handedly, but as a result,
Speaker 1: it is building destroyed democracy.
Speaker 4: And hard.
Speaker 1: It's so hard every time I talk about the destruction
Speaker 1: of democracy, because I know that this very broken system
Speaker 1: hasn't served us, but it is the one we have.
Speaker 1: It is the one that we have the ability to
Speaker 1: repair unless we listen to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Look, why do you have to lose? You're living in poverty,
Speaker 3: your schools are no good, you have no jobs.
Speaker 7: Fifty eight percent of your youth is unemployed.
Speaker 3: What the hell do you have to lose?
Speaker 7: The black people are so much on my side now
Speaker 7: because they see what's happening to me happens to them.
Speaker 7: The mugshot. We've all seen the mugshot. And you know
Speaker 7: who embraced it more than anybody.
Speaker 3: Else, the black population.
Speaker 7: It's incredible. You see black people walking around with my
Speaker 7: mouth shut. I'm being indicted for you, the black population.
Speaker 4: Chow wow.
Speaker 8: You know what?
Speaker 3: I remember when he said the first part. I'll get
Speaker 3: to secondbout it in a minute, but the first part
Speaker 3: where he's going down this list of what he considers
Speaker 3: to be the eels that the black community in this
Speaker 3: country were facing. This is back in twenty sixteen, these
Speaker 3: campaign against Hillary. I don't remember the judgment Animus venom
Speaker 3: that was in his voice when he was giving that
Speaker 3: This wasn't a person listing issues and solidarity with a plight.
Speaker 3: This was a man from a Pejorada's standpoint, calling out
Speaker 3: all the things that they say in their quiet places
Speaker 3: about black folk. He's at a rally saying, y'all stink.
Speaker 3: You sit on the corner and you wait for the bus,
Speaker 3: you go to the groceryes. So what a plastic people
Speaker 3: had wrap on your head?
Speaker 8: You do?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 3: He's going down all of the judgments that are made
Speaker 3: by his folks and basically saying, you live in shit
Speaker 3: and squalor what the hell else do you have to
Speaker 3: lose by electing me? This was when usually people go
Speaker 3: down a laundry list. It is in solidarity with no
Speaker 3: one should have to face this. That ain't what he
Speaker 3: did there. And I just picked it up listening at
Speaker 3: that clip. I knew it was wrong from the moment
Speaker 3: I heard it. But yeah, but the animus and the
Speaker 3: venomous didn't come through quite the way that it did
Speaker 3: just there. And then just one last point and I'll
Speaker 3: give it up, which is to say, for those who
Speaker 3: may think, why would you hold a president immune in
Speaker 3: any at any point because they were president, let's just
Speaker 3: understand that the law is based in something the president
Speaker 3: is based in something real, which is you wouldn't want
Speaker 3: a President Obama being sued by a bunch of different
Speaker 3: states or senators or Donald Trump's or whomever because he
Speaker 3: decided to pull troops out of Iraq. That is an
Speaker 3: official act of the presidency. He is the commander in chief.
Speaker 3: He executed that, but by doing so, maybe there were
Speaker 3: some other consequences that fell from it. You don't want
Speaker 3: a president being wrapped up and having a second thought,
Speaker 3: second think every judgment decision they make as the executive
Speaker 3: of the President of the United States, acting in fear
Speaker 3: or trepidation because he may be sued while he's still president.
Speaker 3: Those are called official acts, right. What he's trying to
Speaker 3: do is extend this definition of official acts to say
Speaker 3: anything that I do, any conduct that I have while
Speaker 3: I'm President of the United States, I'm immune from it.
Speaker 3: That ain't never been the law. And that is the
Speaker 3: question that is before the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: That is the question that is before the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: But the question is before us. The Blacks have convened
Speaker 1: their focus group is whether this is relatable to us,
Speaker 1: not just what in the hell do we have to lose.
Speaker 1: We know how much is on the line, we know
Speaker 1: we're threatened, but with it every time we walk out
Speaker 1: the door. But then he says that, like we're walking
Speaker 1: around with his mugshot on. And then there are black
Speaker 1: folks who have used their platforms they shall not be
Speaker 1: named on this here podcast, but have used their platforms
Speaker 1: at talking amongst families, saying that this is in fact relatable,
Speaker 1: that we do know what it's like to be testing
Speaker 1: and tried by the system, that it is reminiscent of
Speaker 1: the government going after folks like they did doctor King
Speaker 1: and Malcolm X. I am looking around, like where sway
Speaker 1: and how sway? Because what I know is that this
Speaker 1: same trial that we were just talking about, Like, what
Speaker 1: happens if we violate a gago to y'all, we get
Speaker 1: held in criminal contempt of court? What happens if we
Speaker 1: pay off someone to do if we even have the
Speaker 1: resources to pay off someone to not run a story
Speaker 1: about us, What happens we already talked about tansuit, happens
Speaker 1: if we wear a tan suit? Or what happens if
Speaker 1: we get mad and say, for the first time in
Speaker 1: my adult life, I'm proud of my country Michelle in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Right, like, let's be very clear
Speaker 1: about the fact that there are not a whole lot
Speaker 1: of parallels here. The fact that you can speak to
Speaker 1: our plight, as Andrew said, with disdain, does not make
Speaker 1: you one of us. It does not make you us.
Speaker 1: The system is not trying you. You're actually abusing the system.
Speaker 1: Who among us could stand ten toes down with eighty
Speaker 1: eight indictments and get three.
Speaker 3: Discways for president and nominee again of one of two
Speaker 3: major parties.
Speaker 4: Tiff is swermy wormy, So I want to hear what's
Speaker 4: on her.
Speaker 5: I'll be brief because I want us to get off Trump,
Speaker 5: as you know, But I would just say Donald Trump
Speaker 5: says Asen nine things all the time, and it's I
Speaker 5: often said trying to cover him when he was in
Speaker 5: office was like trying to catch confetti, because there was
Speaker 5: some new stupid thing that he would put in the
Speaker 5: atmosphere every day, be it tweet or you know, some
Speaker 5: press conference he would hold. The disappointing part of this
Speaker 5: is I think the lowest common denominator among us echoing
Speaker 5: this message. And Angelae you said family talk, but the
Speaker 5: thing is this was not family talk. This was somebody
Speaker 5: going outside of family carrying the water for this half
Speaker 5: witted politically inept president and carrying this message to people.
Speaker 5: And I don't believe the people who say this would
Speaker 5: ever say that to family. I think you say something
Speaker 5: like that to get the adoration of white people, to
Speaker 5: get the Ada boy from white people, and it just
Speaker 5: I think makes people who are out there saying these
Speaker 5: ignorant things. It makes you look like the small person
Speaker 5: that you are. And I don't even mean in height
Speaker 5: or stature, I mean in intellect and intelligence. And I
Speaker 5: expect ignorance from some people. I'm not remotely interested in
Speaker 5: somebody's political opinions on a large platform. You're tax paying citizen,
Speaker 5: You have a right to vote, and you have a
Speaker 5: right to your opinion. I just don't really care about it.
Speaker 5: The disappointment I feel is when members of the media
Speaker 5: elevate certain voices who really have no business weighing in
Speaker 5: on such things. And I think that only happens within
Speaker 5: our community. I can't remember somebody asking a white sports
Speaker 5: commentator to weigh in on foreign policy or domestic policy,
Speaker 5: and it just drives me a little nuts. So I
Speaker 5: would just challenge the media, maybe do a little background
Speaker 5: and consider who you're putting out there, and if you're
Speaker 5: finding somebody that makes white people comfortable, then you're probably
Speaker 5: you have the wrong voice.
Speaker 3: If I take slight departure and I hear where you're
Speaker 3: coming from, just on this piece around the resonance of
Speaker 3: a mugshot and his tangling with the criminal justice system,
Speaker 3: of the justice system so publicly in the way that
Speaker 3: he has of late, and what residents that may have
Speaker 3: with some black folk. Some of the names that we're
Speaker 3: not going to check. Some of the black folks Angela
Speaker 3: you're alluding to who have given audience to this, who've
Speaker 3: echoed this belief that he know us a little better
Speaker 3: because he's gone through what we've gone through, are legit folks.
Speaker 3: And I don't think they're just making it up. I
Speaker 3: think they think that man, seeing this guy go through
Speaker 3: this kind of lets them see out loud that white
Speaker 3: people go through it too.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Let's be clear, first of all, white folks have always
Speaker 3: been entangled in the criminal justice system. They pre existed us.
Speaker 3: We were property they you know, So that part is
Speaker 3: not new. What is new here is obviously the way
Speaker 3: he's trying to play us. I get that it would
Speaker 3: be nice and relatable to have a president who has
Speaker 3: some shared experiences, but let's not get it twisted. Trump
Speaker 3: does not share our experience in any way, shape or
Speaker 3: form as it relates to how black people encounter the
Speaker 3: criminal justice system and how powerful white men I e.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, encounter this system. And I feel this personally
Speaker 3: because I've been there when I was accused and guided
Speaker 3: and I had to surrender myself to the government a
Speaker 3: day I will never forget, one that will live in
Speaker 3: infamy for me. I showed up, and first things first
Speaker 3: is I had to take a mug shot. When Donald
Speaker 3: Trump showed up in New York for Alvin Bragg. There
Speaker 3: was a fingerprint he was handed his indictment, but there
Speaker 3: was never a mug shot. The next thing that I
Speaker 3: had to do was I got handcuffed not only by
Speaker 3: my wrists, but then by a chain running down to
Speaker 3: my waist, and then a chain around my waist, and
Speaker 3: from my waist a chain going down to both my
Speaker 3: left and my right foot with two more handcuffs, and
Speaker 3: I had to walk at the distance of a baby's
Speaker 3: legs with because that's how constrained I was. Right, So
Speaker 3: Donald Trump didn't have a handcuff on him. Let's get
Speaker 3: that correct, and hadn't had one in any of the
Speaker 3: surrendering that he's had to do around any of these cases.
Speaker 3: When I was accused, I lost a bank, I lost
Speaker 3: American Express and four credit cards associated with him with
Speaker 3: a near eight hundred credit score. While Donald Trump, who
Speaker 3: isn't just a que but was found responsible liable five
Speaker 3: hundred plus million dollars, he got to pay and he
Speaker 3: didn't lose nothing. He went and got two hundred almost
Speaker 3: two hundred million dollars secured to back him up. So
Speaker 3: while he goes through appeal, right, that didn't happen for us,
Speaker 3: didn't happen for me. I lost it, Yet this man
Speaker 3: so so for money he legitimately owes. I was just accused. Right,
Speaker 3: we beat their asses, and in his case, I think
Speaker 3: he's going down. My only point here is, do not
Speaker 3: get it twisted just because the man is purping like
Speaker 3: he has a relationship and understands our plight. One, you
Speaker 3: misunderstand us. One because all of us don't have that
Speaker 3: lived experience. Number Two, you misunderstand us, and actually you're
Speaker 3: not trying to understand us, because this is never about
Speaker 3: a system. It's always about Donald Trump. This is not
Speaker 3: about how people are treated in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 3: This is about how Donald Trump is being treated in
Speaker 3: the criminal justice system. His level of privilege, no matter
Speaker 3: how why he is, is not privileged that I would
Speaker 3: believe is extended to all white folks. It is extended
Speaker 3: to him at his level of power and influence. And
Speaker 3: his grievance is only with the way he's being treated.
Speaker 3: He is not dismantling a system for the corruption of
Speaker 3: a system. He wants to dismantle a system, but because
Speaker 3: of the way in which he has been treated in
Speaker 3: that system, not because how you and I fare in
Speaker 3: that system. He can't even dream of how to relate
Speaker 3: to a criminal justice system that treats him the way
Speaker 3: it treats us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's a word.
Speaker 1: It is such a word. And Andrew, I thank you
Speaker 1: for your vulnerability and sharing it. I think that it
Speaker 1: has been a point of privilege for us to have
Speaker 1: you free.
Speaker 5: Some started. He's getting some started.
Speaker 4: But like it didn't have it didn't have to be
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 1: Like the thing that is so alarming and unnerving about
Speaker 1: what he's saying is it literally is a slap in
Speaker 1: the face for everyone who is fighting with everything they have,
Speaker 1: with every dime they have with every ounce of energy
Speaker 1: they have as they contemplate whether they should be here
Speaker 1: or not. That is a completely different battle that he
Speaker 1: has never faced, that he has no idea about. So
Speaker 1: any moment, in any moment where we are, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of confused, Like something that he's saying sounds right,
Speaker 1: the unjust system sounds right.
Speaker 4: It rings true to me. I want you to take.
Speaker 1: A moment to tap in with someone who has experienced
Speaker 1: the other side of the criminal justice system and ask
Speaker 1: them what their journey was like, because it didn't look
Speaker 1: like his.
Speaker 4: That is the part for me.
Speaker 1: And as much as like I'm tired of talking about
Speaker 1: him too, Tim, I think that we have an.
Speaker 4: Obligation to our people to just take a beat.
Speaker 1: Sometimes and remind us all why what he says is
Speaker 1: so triggering, why it is both infuriating because we know
Speaker 1: what he means and what our experience is and how
Speaker 1: he's using it to juxtapose it against and lean up
Speaker 1: against our actual struggle fake in the face of a
Speaker 1: fake foe struggle, Like how dare you use what our
Speaker 1: people have been through, how they've sacrificed their lives for righteousness,
Speaker 1: for justice and throw that in our faces as you
Speaker 1: are like able to just escape scott free all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, like that.
Speaker 4: Is the part for me.
Speaker 1: And so I just want to tap in with my
Speaker 1: brother for a minute to say I am so glad
Speaker 1: that you leaned on faith and you leaned into courage
Speaker 1: and you were able to take this on and you
Speaker 1: were successful. That is not always our testimony, you know,
Speaker 1: it is one in a million, Andrew like, normally the
Speaker 1: FEDS prosecute, the FEDS win, They bank on that and
Speaker 1: even when it is false, when it is wrongful, and
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is not, you don't get eighty eight indictments
Speaker 1: wrong at every level of government.
Speaker 4: That just don't happen.
Speaker 5: Well, can I just tap in on something because I
Speaker 5: hear you Angela about talking about Trump. I just think
Speaker 5: you know what we get to do here is have
Speaker 5: a different lens that you don't hear on cable news.
Speaker 5: But we are also overlooking news. You know, there was
Speaker 5: a piece in the New York Times this morning right
Speaker 5: on target what we're talking about about the disproportionate number
Speaker 5: of botched executions that impact black men directly. This man
Speaker 5: is not worried. Donald Trump is not worried about that
Speaker 5: is not his life. That's not his testimony. Andrew, your
Speaker 5: testimony is harrowing, for sure. There's also testimony of people
Speaker 5: who had swat crashed through their house, break open their windows,
Speaker 5: harm their children from their mothers, their daughter, the you know,
Speaker 5: red dog police teams in Atlanta, and with what they did,
Speaker 5: and then the name of justice of targeting parents who
Speaker 5: lost children. That is what our criminal justice system looks like.
Speaker 5: So I just challenged the media at large to not
Speaker 5: turn this into a reality show with wall to wall
Speaker 5: coverage while overlooking things that can still speak to these issues,
Speaker 5: but don't give him the attention that he soul craves
Speaker 5: and desires.
Speaker 3: And the media ain't interested in that larger narrative that
Speaker 3: we're talking about, right they.
Speaker 5: That's why Native landa.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump ain't here for it either. And that's why
Speaker 3: we have to as as as gut wrenching and mind
Speaker 3: numbing it is to have to talk about this guy.
Speaker 3: It's important because the story, if we allowed his story
Speaker 3: and his his his his embrace of us to go
Speaker 3: unchallenged just because it has a resemblance a very a
Speaker 3: very shadowy resemblance. Because you threw criminal justice out there
Speaker 3: in a mugshot that somehow you understand this thing, and
Speaker 3: your point is well taken to the story. The harrowing
Speaker 3: experiences of people go so deep, so many places within
Speaker 3: our community with regards to our confrontation with law and
Speaker 3: justice and our mistrust of it. That this like again,
Speaker 3: just just know this man ain't he ain't even not
Speaker 3: on the page. He ain't in the book. He's not
Speaker 3: in the book we're reading.
Speaker 4: Well now, we just spend so much time on him.
Speaker 1: To take a break, you know, y'all we got bills
Speaker 1: to pay because, unlike Donald Trump, we can't escape this.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, after much debate, we've decided that you're
Speaker 1: also going to ban TikTok from our episode today. We
Speaker 1: don't have enough time. Well, we're gonna talk about it,
Speaker 1: and said, is HB to use? They don't always get
Speaker 1: enough coverage?
Speaker 4: And you are right, brother, I'm good.
Speaker 3: You know you always always have children.
Speaker 1: I love my niece and nephews, but Jesus always keeping.
Speaker 4: My brother sick.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was invited to deliver the commencement speech at
Speaker 1: Morehouse College and it is being met with mixed reviews.
Speaker 6: The timing is bad, I mean it would almost be
Speaker 6: like inviting Linda Johnson to come and speak at Morehouse
Speaker 6: at the height of the Vietnam War.
Speaker 10: Mitchell is a civil rights attorney with the Council on
Speaker 10: American Islamic Relations and is himself Muslim. He graduated from
Speaker 10: Morehouse in two thousand and nine. Until speaking out against
Speaker 10: justice is woven into the fabric of the Storage.
Speaker 6: School, I do expect that there will be a vocal
Speaker 6: outcry about this, But I do think in the spirit
Speaker 6: of more House in the history moreuse, it will be respectful,
Speaker 6: It'll be intelligent, it will be affected.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't expect anything less. But y'all, this is it
Speaker 1: is interesting timing. And the most students, folks on the
Speaker 1: faculty and alums have something to say about Joe Biden
Speaker 1: delivering the commencement speech in the middle of what's happening
Speaker 1: in Gaza.
Speaker 5: Well, I think this is clearly a campaign ploy. I
Speaker 5: think they are paying attention to. I believe the false
Speaker 5: media narrative that Joe Biden is losing support among black men.
Speaker 5: And I wonder if more House invited the President or
Speaker 5: if the President offered Hiden.
Speaker 4: In September, but he just he just said yes.
Speaker 5: Which is but we don't think anybody from the well,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know. I don't eve want
Speaker 5: to speculate.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I got an experience of what you're talking about.
Speaker 5: I hear you right right, I mean I think you
Speaker 5: know it benefits him, just for our listeners who may
Speaker 5: not be as familiar with Morehouse. I mean, this is
Speaker 5: very much is like the Ivy League of HBCU's previous speakers.
Speaker 5: Wes Moore was a commencement speaker for black Governor of Maryland.
Speaker 5: Raphael Warnock is a previous commencement speaker. We all remember
Speaker 5: when billionaire Robert Smith was the commencement speaker and paid
Speaker 5: off everybody loans. Yes, yes, President Obama spoke there in
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen. So the young men who attend Morehouse College
Speaker 5: are some of the best and the brightest. And that
Speaker 5: some names you would know, Bacari Sellers, Mark Lamont Hill,
Speaker 5: our friend Albert Sanders, he hates when I talk about him,
Speaker 5: but I'll just say he went to Morehouse and Sirmichael Singleton, Republican.
Speaker 5: You see him there. So they have a very Distinguishedst.
Speaker 5: Martin Luther King of course went to Morehouse so I'll
Speaker 5: be interested in hearing how President Biden connects with the students.
Speaker 5: I think he has to be aware that it will
Speaker 5: not be a completely warm reception. I think we can
Speaker 5: expect anticipat seeing protests, and I wonder how those protests
Speaker 5: will show up during his remarks. But this is something
Speaker 5: that I have to say. We try to tell you
Speaker 5: you cannot convince an oppressed people that other people are
Speaker 5: not being oppressed. We are the best at recognizing it,
Speaker 5: and so I I just I wonder what their plan is,
Speaker 5: because this bridge is their domestic policy and foreign policy
Speaker 5: that very few people support. I don't know. Angela is
Speaker 5: so disgusted by it that she is slapping herself with
Speaker 5: a face. She can't take it.
Speaker 4: You emagine on my lip you didn't see that. It
Speaker 4: was like a little fruit flap, like what the hell?
Speaker 4: And it's like sticky.
Speaker 5: I know that feel. I had that feeling when you
Speaker 5: wearing them juicy tubes and you're like, what is laying
Speaker 5: on my lip? I don't like is that that pete sparkles.
Speaker 3: It's just best to ignore it when it happens. Just
Speaker 3: literally not talking about that. I'm talking about when when
Speaker 3: does what it does just be like, no, that didn't
Speaker 3: go in.
Speaker 5: There Ala this guy. So she was like this looks up.
Speaker 5: She was beating herself in the base like Angela is passionate.
Speaker 5: Please Angela, you say your remarks on this moral thing.
Speaker 3: Tiffany, I think I agree. He's lucky that this is
Speaker 3: morehouse in this since I think I think this will
Speaker 3: be a very organized If there's a protest, it will
Speaker 3: be it will be incredibly respectful. And I'll just say
Speaker 3: I I think it will be a one reception overall
Speaker 3: for him here because I think, yeah, because largely they're
Speaker 3: going to talk about issues that confront black folks written
Speaker 3: large and I think the White House probably didn't deeply
Speaker 3: contemplate how international affairs might intersect with this visit. But
Speaker 3: but but we know that it will. Speaking of people
Speaker 3: who invited themselves, when I was stud by President fam
Speaker 3: you Jeff Bush invited himself. Isn't known it is it
Speaker 3: was said he was invited to be Famuse commencement speaker,
Speaker 3: and no, the real story was he invited himself. Had
Speaker 3: the president it would have been my graduation and of
Speaker 3: course hail No, it wasn't innounced that student body president
Speaker 3: that if Jeb Bush accepted the invitation to be Famus
Speaker 3: commencement speaker, that the students of FAM you and the
Speaker 3: grad led by the graduates would stand up, turn our
Speaker 3: backs and walk out on him. It would have been hell.
Speaker 4: Is he didn't he.
Speaker 5: Just drop off the face of the earth.
Speaker 3: I mean, as far as I can, he could fall
Speaker 3: all the way off the earth. In that case, all
Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: Is he means figuratively. For those of you that might
Speaker 1: think that that's yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just you know, it all works. But but
Speaker 3: I think they they have not really, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: fully appreciated how deep this this this divide is in
Speaker 3: America generationally, particularly as a relation to the the Israeli
Speaker 3: UH and Palestinian conflict. The folks here, young, Jewish, non Jewish, black, white,
Speaker 3: everything in between. They they know right from wrong. And
Speaker 3: when they see children, women, family spokes who did not
Speaker 3: wage war, would not want for war. They just happen
Speaker 3: to live in a war zone and are and are
Speaker 3: living through that under the hostageship of Hamas every single
Speaker 3: day in and outside of conflict with with with with
Speaker 3: Israel for them to pay the price for the actions
Speaker 3: of terrorists to the tune of some thirty plus thousand.
Speaker 3: Now there's no humanity in that. That's right, and this
Speaker 3: and this generation of folks is that they're like democrat,
Speaker 3: I don't care who you are. Wrong's wrong, and we're
Speaker 3: not down for this. Something's got to happen, something's got
Speaker 3: to change.
Speaker 5: And it's I mean everywhere.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of respectful and peaceful protests, students are speaking
Speaker 1: of and they are loud, and they are clear. They
Speaker 1: are not just online, they are on campus, you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of respectful protests. What we know is the students
Speaker 1: have something to say, especially on what's happening in Gaza.
Speaker 1: There are it's not just more house. It's not just
Speaker 1: on TikTok there's about to be banned potentially. It's not
Speaker 1: just on social it's all over campuses throughout this country.
Speaker 1: What's really been in the media lately are Columbia, mostly Yale, NYU, MIT,
Speaker 1: University of Michigan, California State, Berkeley, and many others. And
Speaker 1: what I think is so important is that folks are
Speaker 1: kind of talking about this like student protests are.
Speaker 4: In a vacuum. They've been largely peaceful.
Speaker 1: Of course, There's been some conflicts, some folks on extreme
Speaker 1: sides of the issue, but this is not new. Students
Speaker 1: have been protesting on college campuses since the beginning of time.
Speaker 1: Andrew just referenced his time as Student Government Association president
Speaker 1: at FAMU. What he didn't say is he also was
Speaker 1: protesting in the governor's office while at fam You.
Speaker 3: Angeline, what's your best one? I ran for SJA president.
Speaker 3: My opponent said, this is college. If gillim WINZ all
Speaker 3: he gonna do is have us protesting. We're supposed to
Speaker 3: have fun here too. It turns out you lost, you lost.
Speaker 1: And on that they said, no, we're gonna use our
Speaker 1: voices in the Student Activity Activities Fee to get what
Speaker 1: we want. The Greensboro sit in in North Carolina A
Speaker 1: and T Alabama State University back in the day at
Speaker 1: Kent State students who protested the Vietnam War at FISK
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty five, they were students were protesting and
Speaker 1: it ended in police entering their dorms and they were
Speaker 1: you know, it's there are also some violent ends.
Speaker 4: To this BLM.
Speaker 1: We've seen women's rights, we've seen gun rights, we've seen
Speaker 1: or gun.
Speaker 4: Control, climate change, anti apartheid.
Speaker 1: This has happened since the beginning of time, and testing
Speaker 1: was at one point our right, and now students are
Speaker 1: facing some very different kinds of threats, suspension, and a
Speaker 1: lot of other things.
Speaker 11: I empathize with individuals who feel uncomfortable with certain rhetoric, but.
Speaker 9: I remind you that we live in a country and
Speaker 9: we go to attending university that extremely values free speech,
Speaker 9: open dialogue and.
Speaker 4: Rhetoric, and I would encourage.
Speaker 1: Everyone to listen to a variety of perspectives and to
Speaker 1: analyze what it means to.
Speaker 11: Not like something or disagree with something, versus to actively
Speaker 11: be in a position of being unsafe.
Speaker 1: You know what I think is so important about this
Speaker 1: is what has often missed in narratives that I've read,
Speaker 1: is the fact that this is a protest and a
Speaker 1: moment and a movement really of solidarity between Jewish and
Speaker 1: Palestinian people. What you see in that clip and hearing
Speaker 1: that clip is a young woman, a young Jewish woman
Speaker 1: on campus who's saying, I understand the inflammatory rhetoric. What
Speaker 1: I'm talking about is our First Amendment right to peacefully assemble,
Speaker 1: and that can include protest for whatever reason. What is
Speaker 1: starting to happen now, and y'all have seen this is
Speaker 1: anarchy is being conflated with anti Semitism, is being conflated
Speaker 1: with protests, and I want to talk really about the
Speaker 1: dangers of those things and how they are all separate.
Speaker 1: If this young sister could stand here and say I'm
Speaker 1: standing in solidarity with this because not on my watch,
Speaker 1: why does her voice not matter? Is she herself an
Speaker 1: anti Semite for standing with folks who are saying I
Speaker 1: don't want to see innocent children and people killed because
Speaker 1: of what Hamas has done in Israel and Gayza.
Speaker 3: Right, and Hamas again a terrorist organization by the United
Speaker 3: States who has overthrown pretty much the power of the
Speaker 3: Palestinian authority, which is the actual governing body and leadership
Speaker 3: over the Palestinian territory. Hamas a terrorist group who obviously
Speaker 3: undertook those horrific murders and attack on Israel, which none
Speaker 3: of us, not even the protesters at least, none of
Speaker 3: the ones I've heard from and that I know, would
Speaker 3: condone this is Angela. I'm so glad you're My big
Speaker 3: frustration here is that it seems, if you are protesting
Speaker 3: in humanity or war, that somehow that makes you anti
Speaker 3: a group of people based off of their religion, the
Speaker 3: color of their skin, their nation of ancestral or heritage.
Speaker 3: It would be one thing if you were saying I
Speaker 3: hate Israel and I hate Jews. That is antisemitic, that
Speaker 3: is hateful, that is racis that is wrong. It is
Speaker 3: another thing to say that you hate war or you
Speaker 3: hate war and the consequences that are right now being
Speaker 3: had havocked over the people, the innocent lives and the
Speaker 3: Palestinian authority in Palestine. I don't mind referring to it
Speaker 3: is that, even though it is not yet recognized, it
Speaker 3: is fine in my opinion to be for in fact,
Speaker 3: every one of us should be abhorring that kind of
Speaker 3: loss of life, every single one of us. This is
Speaker 3: what Governor DeSantis and Florida had to say the inmates
Speaker 3: run the asylum, criticizing pro Palestinian protests happening on college
Speaker 3: campuses in the state of Florida. He goes further to
Speaker 3: say students should be expelled for protests and if you
Speaker 3: are at a university here in the United States on
Speaker 3: a visa, that visa should be canceled by the government.
Speaker 3: If you participate in protests. So just a quick note
Speaker 3: for the governor and those who think like him. First
Speaker 3: Amendment of the United States Congress shall make no laws
Speaker 3: respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
Speaker 3: or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press,
Speaker 3: or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and
Speaker 3: to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. I
Speaker 3: know that was boring text, but that is the Constitution
Speaker 3: of the United States, the First Amendment. These people don't
Speaker 3: even believe in the First Amendment when it runs county,
Speaker 3: so when it runs counter to what it is that
Speaker 3: they believe. And for y'all who keep talking smack trash
Speaker 3: about protests interrupting your lives, if it ain't interrupting your lives,
Speaker 3: it is likely not protests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's important for us to understand. Beyond
Speaker 1: the college protests, there are also folks inside organizations, big
Speaker 1: organizations like Google that also have taken history issue with
Speaker 1: what's happening in Gaza. Some employees have protested an Israeli
Speaker 1: contract of Google, and Google responded by terminating those who protested.
Speaker 1: It's now more than fifty people who have been fired.
Speaker 1: They're saying that Google is quote no place for politics,
Speaker 1: gonna fool me.
Speaker 12: I was fired about a month ago.
Speaker 5: This is Eddie Hatfield. He lost his job last month
Speaker 5: after disrupting an Israeli tech conference that Google sponsored and.
Speaker 8: I refuse to build technology that powers genocide. It was
Speaker 8: sickening to see Google's name all over the walls of
Speaker 8: that room while speakers come up and use genocidal, violent
Speaker 8: language to refer to Palestinians. That room is a place
Speaker 8: where they're making decisions about how this technology gets used,
Speaker 8: but not everyone who's affected by those decisions is get
Speaker 8: let's to have a voice in that room, that being
Speaker 8: the people being bombed.
Speaker 12: By AI systems in Gaza, people moving between checkpoints in
Speaker 12: the West Bank and beyond. When when this technology eventually
Speaker 12: gets exported.
Speaker 3: All over the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't I think that we really are
Speaker 1: at this interesting crossroads where and you know those moments
Speaker 1: like when Congressman Barbara Lee was on the House floor
Speaker 1: and she was the lull like the loan.
Speaker 4: We were just.
Speaker 5: Talking about that, you know, we were waiting, Yeah, we
Speaker 5: were just talking about the courage of Barbara.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like saying this is not the war and
Speaker 1: then come to find out people are like what happens
Speaker 1: in mass destrection?
Speaker 4: Where are they?
Speaker 1: You don't want to find yourself on the wrong side
Speaker 1: of history. There are are student protests again from the
Speaker 1: beginning of time, trying to ensure that we never betray
Speaker 1: our moral compass in this country. Where will we stand
Speaker 1: even in tough times? Where where were we stand on courage?
Speaker 1: Where we stand when we see what what folks are
Speaker 1: up with against? You know, these young people dying, these
Speaker 1: innocent people dying, starving, can't make it to hospitals, don't
Speaker 1: know how they're going to see their next where they're
Speaker 1: going to see their next meal?
Speaker 4: Like this is a really I don't know. I think
Speaker 4: that the way that this is.
Speaker 1: Being handled, both in corporate and on college campuses is
Speaker 1: just wrong.
Speaker 5: But the root of the problem is is our foreign policy.
Speaker 5: You know, what we are seeing take place in Gaza
Speaker 5: is collective punishment. You know, it is hard for you
Speaker 5: to try to convince me it's not. That is an
Speaker 5: international war crime. Mark Lamont Hill have to give it
Speaker 5: to them. He did an amazing interview on Al Jazeera
Speaker 5: where he was really cornering government officials saying, but you
Speaker 5: are punishing all these people. We've seen grandmothers, grandmother's with
Speaker 5: their hands up like this, shot dead. We've seen children
Speaker 5: and starving, a mother holding her two year old. Biden said,
Speaker 5: if they kill Americans, then we have an issue. Well,
Speaker 5: they've killed Americans. We have crossed that red line at
Speaker 5: this point. And I don't think American life is any
Speaker 5: more valuable than Palestinian life. We are seeing murder. We
Speaker 5: are seeing murder, and we have to start calling it
Speaker 5: what it is. And I see time and again on
Speaker 5: media interviews with a lot of young Jewish students who
Speaker 5: are on another side of the divide and saying, yes,
Speaker 5: it is anti Semitism, and we're, you know, on the
Speaker 5: receiving end of this, And my thought is I get
Speaker 5: so angry you got I mean really to the point
Speaker 5: where it crushes my mental health for today, where I
Speaker 5: find myself consumed by it, because I want to shout
Speaker 5: where the are the Palestinian students who are harassed every day,
Speaker 5: the Muslims who are harassed, the policies that impact them,
Speaker 5: And if you just put out one voice, you might
Speaker 5: start to think, oh, all these Jewish students are getting harassed.
Speaker 5: You never hear from the Jewish students on the other
Speaker 5: side who are saying, hey, we stand in solidarity with you.
Speaker 5: We don't support what's happening over there. So Mike push
Speaker 5: to young.
Speaker 4: Young her out there today.
Speaker 5: Thank you Angela for planning that sound bite. And that's
Speaker 5: why Native Land exists because you will hear. And thank
Speaker 5: you Nick, our producer, Nick, Thank you first show that
Speaker 5: other side because you don't see it happen all the time.
Speaker 5: And so my advice. First, I want to say kudos
Speaker 5: to this young man at Google, and kudos to everybody
Speaker 5: out there making their voices heard. Kudos to the people
Speaker 5: at the Columbia Daily Spectator, the Young j School students there,
Speaker 5: you know jeln and Cobb dean of the Jay School
Speaker 5: over there, who tweeted out if you're being denied access,
Speaker 5: you know, DM me, I'll make sure the press has access.
Speaker 5: Bear witness, tell your story, speak out. Don't be the
Speaker 5: last person to speak out, you know, don't be the
Speaker 5: last person when it becomes cool to say, oh, this
Speaker 5: is a problem, like you have skin in the game,
Speaker 5: and right now this machine that silences you, that says
Speaker 5: you have a different point of view being run. But
Speaker 5: we don't have time to get into it. But I
Speaker 5: want people to look at net and Yahoo's cabinet. I
Speaker 5: want you to look at the backgrounds of the people
Speaker 5: that this man is empowered. Look at his own record,
Speaker 5: the way he disrespected the United States during Obama's administration,
Speaker 5: the way he disrespects President Biden to this day, the
Speaker 5: way that Israeli's are calling on his resignation. To Angelo's point,
Speaker 5: we cannot conflate protest with anarchy or.
Speaker 4: Or the Israeli government with Jewish the same thing.
Speaker 5: It's not the same.
Speaker 1: It's so dangerous, it is so dangerous, it is so harmful.
Speaker 1: We are not anti Semitic, because we are not going
Speaker 1: to support that. The the white supremacist Israeli government like that.
Speaker 4: We have to make a.
Speaker 3: Decision government correct. A man who had intelligence, by the way,
Speaker 3: plenty of it prior to the seventh prior to could
Speaker 3: have helped, could have prevented right what occurred on that day,
Speaker 3: could have extracted even more hostages up to this point,
Speaker 3: which is what the families are calling for. Bring our
Speaker 3: loved ones home. But he has assuaged. He's sidestepped bringing
Speaker 3: home hostages so that he can continue to persecute, an
Speaker 3: un unhumane war to annihilate a group of people, right,
Speaker 3: he wants to extinguish. And what bothers me the most
Speaker 3: is that folks are making no distinction between the terrorists
Speaker 3: of Hamas and the people of I said Palestinian authority before,
Speaker 3: because that's the governing body, But of the people of
Speaker 3: Palestine yet to be named, who are just living their lives,
Speaker 3: or at least trying to Jose undressed in his group,
Speaker 3: who had clearly labeled vehicles that they were there for
Speaker 3: humanitarian purposes, who had coordinated their movements with the Israeli
Speaker 3: Defense ministry, who had three vehicles systematically taken out in
Speaker 3: innocent people who were just trying to feed starving people
Speaker 3: in Gaza killed. Right, there's nothing which way around this way,
Speaker 3: this word, in the way it is being persecuted, that
Speaker 3: is right. And I'm so sick of people telling us
Speaker 3: in anniversary and memorials, never again, never again, this never again,
Speaker 3: for we shit idly by, never again what we watch
Speaker 3: as such and such happens, never again. Well we're at
Speaker 3: it again. We're at it again. And in this package,
Speaker 3: we are sending a billion in an aid for the
Speaker 3: people of Gaza and multiple.
Speaker 1: Billions and weapons seventeen, multiple millions, and we thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you making it makes sense.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense, and I don't want your thoughts,
Speaker 3: prayers and all that other stuff. And years later your
Speaker 3: memos and memoirs that say, the biggest regret I have
Speaker 3: was that we didn't do more to save innocent life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we know said that before.
Speaker 1: Of course, isation happens. You know this is this is
Speaker 1: how that happens. And I think you know this is
Speaker 1: a conversation that we're going to can We know that
Speaker 1: it's risky for us to talk about it, but we
Speaker 1: know what's riskier is not being able to sleep at night,
Speaker 1: being on the wrong side of history, knowing what it's
Speaker 1: like to be an oppressed people. If we can stand
Speaker 1: in solidarity with these folks to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: not on our watch. We're going to talk about it
Speaker 1: here every week if we can.
Speaker 3: And Angela, I know you're rapping, but I just we
Speaker 3: also as Americans have to acknowledge what our documents are founding,
Speaker 3: what we believe in our nerve, heart and sin you,
Speaker 3: which is even if I don't agree with you, in
Speaker 3: a democracy, I still have to stand and protect your
Speaker 3: ability to say what it is that you think. And
Speaker 3: simply because we disagree with each other, we want to
Speaker 3: squash out free opinion, protest people's ability to peaceably assemble.
Speaker 3: And I've got too many Jewish friends, too many who
Speaker 3: I know to a fact would never ever, ever want
Speaker 3: to look back and be reflected in history as having
Speaker 3: stamped out free speech simply because we disagree.
Speaker 5: And just for this package, I just wanted to really
Speaker 5: drive his point home because I think Andrew you said it,
Speaker 5: but we kind of moved past it. This would be
Speaker 5: this package in like aid to Gaza and then weapons.
Speaker 5: It would be the equivalent of a foreign power sending
Speaker 5: a million dollars in aid to the enslaved while sending
Speaker 5: billions of weapons to the Confederacy. Come on, I think
Speaker 5: you cannot save me and kill me at the same time.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 1: It's impossible, and I don't know how your moral compass
Speaker 1: is telling you that's okay.
Speaker 3: So we and you can morally reject an assault on
Speaker 3: innocent people which occurred in Israel and could have been
Speaker 3: prevented by the horrible president, and at the same time
Speaker 3: you can decry inhumane and unjust war practices and tactics
Speaker 3: being waged against an innocent people.
Speaker 5: In fact, we.
Speaker 1: Must we uh, we definitely stand with and insolidarity with
Speaker 1: the students on these campuses, with the workers who just
Speaker 1: want to be heard at Google.
Speaker 4: And we'll be right back after this break.
Speaker 2: Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come, welcome.
Speaker 4: There's a gospel. So I don't know who's saying it,
Speaker 4: I'll fly away. Who did that? Was that haze Ky Walker?
Speaker 3: Now I don't know, but those movements were pretty hip
Speaker 3: hop fish.
Speaker 4: Oh it's too early, you know, it's two seconds.
Speaker 3: It was of the world.
Speaker 1: I remember there was a pastor that said, when you know, Kirk,
Speaker 1: go Jesus, go Jesu, let's go.
Speaker 4: To pass that. How you gonna tell Jesus to go?
Speaker 4: So there's always gonna be a reason for something.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, I'm talking about flying away because
Speaker 1: American is trying to restrict your ability to do just that.
Speaker 4: Can Airlines said, not on my watch.
Speaker 1: If you don't book on my app, called my customer service,
Speaker 1: that you might not be able to get through.
Speaker 4: You ain't getting no miles, which y'all think about that.
Speaker 5: First of all, I didn't know we were in the show.
Speaker 5: I thought we were just.
Speaker 1: Talking gospel song because that was a thinking about flying.
Speaker 4: And so you know how my brain works, I gotta
Speaker 4: always harken back to a song gospel.
Speaker 5: It up about to make the audience suffering gospel. So
Speaker 5: this is what I have to say about that. I
Speaker 5: just got off an American Airlines flight, so it's very
Speaker 5: apropos and timely. I'm so over these airlines. Okay, the
Speaker 5: three largest carriers in the United States sponsorship. I love
Speaker 5: American Airlines except for this really big problem I have
Speaker 5: right now. Except for this tiny little problem American Airlines. No,
Speaker 5: I think that the three largest carriers in the United
Speaker 5: States have turned a profit. You know, there were things
Speaker 5: that happened during COVID where you know airlines because they
Speaker 5: mishandled and misappropriated funds before that that they found themselves
Speaker 5: with their pants down during COVID, and so everything was
Speaker 5: tight and you know, people, you could fly to California
Speaker 5: for twenty two dollars, you know, right, But now the
Speaker 5: I think Q two last year, the second quarter of
Speaker 5: last year, the airlines said hey, yes, we are seeing
Speaker 5: profits now. American Airlines specifically said that passenger revenue from
Speaker 5: international travel alone rose twenty two percent, so they can
Speaker 5: certainly afford. I think some of these points. It's like
Speaker 5: the seats are getting smaller, the planes are falling apart,
Speaker 5: everything twice trading so that they are regulated. What body right,
Speaker 5: I know they've gone before Congress. The FAA regulates them.
Speaker 1: That would be second Terry Pete, under Secretary. The perfect
Speaker 1: transportation is that fat mayor Pete Secretary Pete. We got
Speaker 1: a thing to say because the song said, I looked
Speaker 1: it up. It definitely as a car walker, I will
Speaker 1: be free one day I'll fly away. I would like to,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I'm being able to afford
Speaker 1: these plane tickets, that's the thing. But they're saying, if
Speaker 1: you can't get my anywhere, because sometimes I need to
Speaker 1: use my mouth. Oh by the way, you guys, I
Speaker 1: can't forgot to tell you no. Do you know somebody
Speaker 1: hacked into my American Airlines count.
Speaker 5: And no thousands of miles.
Speaker 1: So not only am I now not gonna get miles
Speaker 1: potentially from these new trips I booked, but they literally
Speaker 1: it was like three different people. I should name them
Speaker 1: on this podcast, But how was.
Speaker 3: At first one.
Speaker 1: I was literally not to book my god son a
Speaker 1: ticket with my miles, and I was like, how.
Speaker 5: Do I got I just want to say I apologize.
Speaker 5: I needed to get the Turks and Caicos. I knew
Speaker 5: Angela's American Airlines number and this was not you.
Speaker 4: I'm going to prove it. I'm going to pull this up.
Speaker 4: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: You know who did it because I looked it up
Speaker 1: and then I just remember they told me I need
Speaker 1: to file the police report.
Speaker 5: And now now you don't know these people. No, how
Speaker 5: did they get to your.
Speaker 1: They had to tell my account somehow they had so
Speaker 1: they changed, like my mileage number, you should, but they like,
Speaker 1: send you Andrew.
Speaker 4: This is so rude. It's not first world to need
Speaker 4: your miles.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when it's to fly your cousin across the
Speaker 3: country wind.
Speaker 4: It's not my cousin, it's my godson.
Speaker 3: Because most of most of the godsons who ain't in
Speaker 3: first world problems are taking Greyhound across the countin.
Speaker 4: And that's a lie.
Speaker 1: Tell me the last time and tell you know what,
Speaker 1: how long does it take to take the damn bus
Speaker 1: from Tallahassee to LA Please tell me? Tell you when
Speaker 1: the last time you was on a Greyhound bus.
Speaker 3: Listen, I said, First of all, I didn't say I
Speaker 3: wouldn't in it.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 1: For those of you who have empathy and can understand
Speaker 1: what it's like to be stolen from you, guys know
Speaker 1: I have person no beef and trauma around people close
Speaker 1: to me being but not only that.
Speaker 4: Now it's the damn Rando's. I don't even know I'm
Speaker 4: gonna name these people.
Speaker 3: There's so much commercial.
Speaker 4: I can't name the people. I don't know miles I know,
Speaker 4: but I can say allegedly these people did.
Speaker 5: It, okay, never mind assent attorney out of the practice
Speaker 5: in l A law. I don't know if you can
Speaker 5: say that.
Speaker 4: If you know you're about to get anyway, it's fine.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is, beginning in July, travelers will only
Speaker 1: receive loyalty points and advantage miles if they book their
Speaker 1: flights directly with American or what.
Speaker 5: If you're doing on an American Express, if you do it.
Speaker 1: Now, hold on your that's that's right. But I don't
Speaker 1: know about that answer. We gotta find the answer. But Andrew,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's the part that is first world.
Speaker 1: You know how you can get your miles if you
Speaker 1: book with a preferred travel agency.
Speaker 4: Who's the preferred travel agency? So we need to see that.
Speaker 5: Is our person a preferred travel agency.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not us, it's not us, but
Speaker 1: that is first world. I don't appreciate you calling me
Speaker 1: get my mile stolen.
Speaker 4: First world.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at you. Was already mad at you last
Speaker 1: time about Katie. Now I'm mad at you about this,
Speaker 1: and I apologize for showing out today.
Speaker 4: I'm not apologiz.
Speaker 3: The funny thing is that you apologizing to me for
Speaker 3: going off of me. I'm like, you do it every
Speaker 3: time we're tall.
Speaker 1: That is at Andrew to tell him that's not true.
Speaker 1: I don't be going off, no, brother, I normally am
Speaker 1: on your side and I fight somebody.
Speaker 4: Else about the public. Okay, tell me, tell me, give
Speaker 4: me an example.
Speaker 1: We're gonna move away acting like Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: No no stories that that was unnecessary.
Speaker 5: Well, so is this lie you telling that was unnecessary?
Speaker 5: And I said I never say fake news on this podcast.
Speaker 5: Well we have it anyway. I'm mad about the airlines thing.
Speaker 5: I don't like. The airlines got to do better, Like
Speaker 5: we spend a lot of money with these airlines, and
Speaker 5: we as you know, the people who patroon these airlines
Speaker 5: because we have to. How else are we going to
Speaker 5: get across the country. I think as customers we deserve
Speaker 5: a little more regard and respect. Nobody is getting on Greyhound,
Speaker 5: Nobody was light red bus?
Speaker 3: What that red bus?
Speaker 4: What is red bus?
Speaker 3: That's how the kids go home spring break? Every weekend.
Speaker 3: They jump on the red bus. They got internet, they
Speaker 3: go to Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Oh that sound that's like the fancy bus. I think
Speaker 4: I have heard that New York bus.
Speaker 5: The Hampton Jitney.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, either way, this conversation is over.
Speaker 3: Remember air trans Now back to the real world.
Speaker 5: Air train you can fly fifty dollars each way.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy you can make in front of
Speaker 1: Spirit Airlines. I bet you they door and flowing offline.
Speaker 3: Nowhere where I gotta fight you for seats?
Speaker 4: You got seats. You gotta fight the plane to pack
Speaker 4: toilet paper?
Speaker 5: Are you paid for a c You ain't pay for
Speaker 5: no leg room.
Speaker 4: Okay, So now we are gonna listen to comments.
Speaker 1: We don't have questions. We have two comments from Native
Speaker 1: Lamppod's audience. We are going to start with Mark, Hello.
Speaker 9: Native lamb pod. My name is Mark Clemens' from Fairburg, Georgia,
Speaker 9: originally from California. I'd like to address Kelsey Plum's statement
Speaker 9: regarding the WNBA. She speaks about the w NBA and
Speaker 9: the CBA. First off, there's really no collective bargaining to
Speaker 9: be had there seeing that in twenty five years from
Speaker 9: the inception of the WNBA, they've never turned a profit.
Speaker 9: So if you want to be paid a fair salary,
Speaker 9: then you're gonna have to generate income more than what
Speaker 9: you're doing now. So what's needed. You need more people
Speaker 9: watching your game. Without TV money, there's no way you're
Speaker 9: going to add to the salaries. You need to think
Speaker 9: about what could be done to add more people watching
Speaker 9: your game instead of moaning and groaning about not being paid.
Speaker 9: There's so many athletes that wish they were able to
Speaker 9: go to a professional league where the WNBA is a
Speaker 9: league for women. So Miss Kelsey Plumb, instead of whining,
Speaker 9: let's come up with some ideas to create more people
Speaker 9: watching your game that will add to TV money and
Speaker 9: we'll add to your salaries. Thank you so much, have
Speaker 9: great day.
Speaker 5: I have to say thank you first of all for
Speaker 5: sending in that comment, I have to say, I find
Speaker 5: it incredibly disrespectful, and I can't imagine that he would
Speaker 5: talk to a woman that way, although I or a
Speaker 5: man that way, I should say I do again, though,
Speaker 5: I want to make sure that we invite these comments.
Speaker 5: We appreciate it, and we invite people who disagree with us. So, sir,
Speaker 5: I actually hear you right. So I hear your point.
Speaker 5: You clearly disagreed with Kelsey Plumb, and perhaps some of
Speaker 5: our words following it up. I do think you suggesting
Speaker 5: that Kelsey Plump is whining about not earning a fair wage.
Speaker 5: I do find that language a bit disrespectful. The WNBA
Speaker 5: brings in just two hundred million dollars annually, and so
Speaker 5: they do rely on the NBA for some of their funding.
Speaker 5: I think this young woman was well within her right
Speaker 5: to say that they just want to benefit from the
Speaker 5: profit that they do bring in. I hear you that, yes,
Speaker 5: we should all start watching. And I believe the TV
Speaker 5: deals and rights are up in twenty twenty five, so
Speaker 5: they're actually negotiating those now. And I hope that the
Speaker 5: WNBA is being heavily considered given how much excitement was
Speaker 5: generated around them. But I would invite you and just
Speaker 5: ask you respectfully to watch how we talk to young people,
Speaker 5: young women in particular, who are demanding to earn a
Speaker 5: fair and equitable wage. I don't know that I would
Speaker 5: call that whining with all this respect to you, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I got slightly less respect than Tiff. I'm working on it.
Speaker 4: God's not through with me yet.
Speaker 1: I would just say, as a as a factual matter,
Speaker 1: that there actually is a collective bargaining agreement with the
Speaker 1: w n b A and we can move on to
Speaker 1: the next statement.
Speaker 4: But thank you, Marco.
Speaker 1: Next time you'll consider weighing in uh and checking your
Speaker 1: facts first.
Speaker 3: Can I just say, where where do we ever blame?
Speaker 3: Do we blame the flight attendants for the new policies
Speaker 3: at American?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Do we do we the baggage chandler for a delta
Speaker 3: because they had to get stimulus money during coches?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is the people who see it at
Speaker 3: the intersection of the impact are not always the ones
Speaker 3: who are responsible for the cure. These women are getting
Speaker 3: out there every single day, giving their heart, giving it all,
Speaker 3: leaving it all on the core and because big moneyed
Speaker 3: interests to back basketball decide to invest more in the camera,
Speaker 3: and then the person carrying the camera, and then the
Speaker 3: technology of the facility for men's basketball sports, And therefore
Speaker 3: when you look at certain women's games, it looks like
Speaker 3: a throwback to the high school, not because of skill,
Speaker 3: but because they didn't invest in how the thing gets
Speaker 3: recorded and projected, the dynamics of it. And we've come
Speaker 3: to expect that that's all that is asinine, except for
Speaker 3: the fact that we don't necessarily need to blame the
Speaker 3: people with the grievance for the structures that they have inherited.
Speaker 3: We don't blame the slave for slavery.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna blame you for this podcast running over,
Speaker 4: So we don't go to the I'm done.
Speaker 1: I'm ov y, Mark, send me a better comment next time.
Speaker 1: Delete my comment too, No, don't delete it. We go
Speaker 1: keep it in there.
Speaker 11: Hey, Native lampod, I realized that I have the answer
Speaker 11: to your question that you asked a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 11: What do we want our p s as to sound like?
Speaker 11: What do we want our political ads?
Speaker 3: That was the question, And.
Speaker 11: It occurred to me that the ones that have been
Speaker 11: most effective are when we get those mailers and they
Speaker 11: have the the side by side comparisons of here's a question,
Speaker 11: and then this candidate believes in this, This candidate believes this, this,
Speaker 11: this candidate believes this. Reading the data like that is
Speaker 11: what has been most effective. That's what I would like
Speaker 11: the p s as to be, Like, there's the answer.
Speaker 5: Okay, gotta go.
Speaker 11: This is DONALDA from Florida the teacher.
Speaker 3: Hi Andrew girl family, we can't ask questions already.
Speaker 4: Turn out she was the bag.
Speaker 5: It look healthy and full. I want to know your
Speaker 5: whole regime, girl tag looks like But let.
Speaker 4: Me tell you all this.
Speaker 1: I I theoretically like the approach. Think that works for
Speaker 1: a graphics ad. I don't know how well that would
Speaker 1: work visually speaking through those things. I'm a visual learner,
Speaker 1: so auditor. Hearing those comparisons to auditor at least probably
Speaker 1: challenging for me.
Speaker 5: No, but she's saying, as a mailer right on the.
Speaker 3: Fly, most effective for her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was saying, using the mailer model for a p
Speaker 1: s A or a political ad either.
Speaker 5: I think if you do it in print or yeah,
Speaker 5: but even if you did that and on social if
Speaker 5: you did that as and as broadcasted ad I think
Speaker 5: all of it works. I think for what she's saying, yeah,
Speaker 5: just contrast. The problem is though, even that that that
Speaker 5: opens people up to disinformation because you know people always say, oh,
Speaker 5: this person uh supports you know, murdering babies. You know,
Speaker 5: like people can can manipulate language and misinformation and disinformation
Speaker 5: and start telling our folks to be like, site a source,
Speaker 5: and when they cite the source, and that source be
Speaker 5: like boo boo.
Speaker 1: Toofood dot com. Yes you know it's not a reliable one.
Speaker 1: We'll have TIV do a primer really soon on how
Speaker 1: to know if a source it is a reliable primary
Speaker 1: source or not, or if it came came for your
Speaker 1: little cousin Rubu and them, are you heard, or.
Speaker 5: Is some random video on YouTube? Like that's not a source.
Speaker 5: I said that I can't remember if it was a
Speaker 5: Native Land page or the other show across dinner reasons,
Speaker 5: but I was saying, well, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Can you site your source? And the young lady responded,
Speaker 5: cite my source.
Speaker 1: This is Instagram, you said, And facts matter everywhere, darling.
Speaker 4: So to that point, because facts matter.
Speaker 1: And so does time, we are almost out of time today.
Speaker 1: We will not end our show without having a call
Speaker 1: to action segment, which of course is one of our favorites.
Speaker 1: We do not like to talk without and leaving y'all
Speaker 1: without anything to do.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna defer my time to you, friend, because
Speaker 3: mins long.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, then I'm gonna take your time reclaiming your time.
Speaker 1: I will say to you that we have received such
Speaker 1: a wide and huge, loving response to our podcast about
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Speaker 1: we have been working diligently to figure out the best
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Speaker 1: became really really clear is that in order to ensure
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Speaker 3: You're here.
Speaker 5: You shouldn't serve a single day day spending her money.
Speaker 5: He literally did nothing. And now we'll just invite you
Speaker 5: all to remember Andrew's testimony that he gave as a
Speaker 5: mini pod, but also what he shared today that she
Speaker 5: would be handcuffed. Cavity searched put in a maximum security
Speaker 5: prison away from her two young daughters who she's raising,
Speaker 5: and she stood on the front lines for us during
Speaker 5: Freddie Gray and she said to young people, our time
Speaker 5: is now, so to echo what Angel was saying, our
Speaker 5: time is now to show up for Marylyn.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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