WEBVTT - Catch and Kill, The Right to Protest 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.080 Native Lampid is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.760 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:12.280 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home to the Native landing 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.680 on the podcast face that's a for greatness sixteen minutes. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:16.760 If so, hit not too. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.560 Long for the great ship, high level combo politics in 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.159 a way that you could taste it, then digest it. 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.880 Politics touches you even if you don't touch it. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.520 So get invested. Across the t's and. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.120 Doctor ods kill them back to get them staying on 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.920 business with ride. You could have been anywhere, but you 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.879 chose us Native Laying Podcast, the brand that you can 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:36.519 trust us. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.239 Welcome home, y'all and shout out to Daniel Lauren for 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.760 a new theme song. This is episode sixteen of Native Lampire, 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.159 where we give you our breakdown of all things politics 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.320 and culture. We are your hosts, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillum 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.520 and I'm Angela Rye. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:54.560 What's good, y'all? 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:56.880 Welcome home like that? 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:58.600 I love it? 0:00:58.640 --> 0:00:59.080 I love it. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:05.400 Yes the tea, don't cross the tea. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:05.479 Across the tea, but don't cross the wad. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.920 Don't cross the tea the tea, but you want to. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:16.080 I'm a strong five feet we stand on business. 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.880 I listen here well. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.800 You know, as always, we want to thank all of 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.000 our loyal audience, and we thank y'all for every review, 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:28.160 for rating the podcast, for subscribing, for downloading, for following, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.080 for doing all the things, for fighting us on social 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.600 media as you all like to do. We appreciate all 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.319 of that. And you know, we got some places to go. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.679 I want to start someplace a little solemn today on 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.840 the other side of losing Donald Payne Junior, who's an 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.520 elected member of Congress, who I love, one of my 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.120 forever CBC bosses. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.720 You left us too soon, and your legacy will be 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:52.440 a remember forever. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:02.120 So everybody on today's episode, Louisiana is out here. Louisiana. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.000 The State House just repealed a law that required child 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:10.880 workers to get d DA DA lunch breaks. Louisiana state 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.280 representative and owner of Smoothie King franchises says he proposed 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.200 the bill because children want to work without having to 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:23.440 take lunch breaks. Oh okay, So the President signed a 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.360 ninety five billion dollar for an aid package for Ukraine, Israel, 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:32.079 and Taiwan into law. It also included that major nationwide 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.880 TikTok band that they snuck into that package. And TikTok 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:40.320 has nine months, not nine minutes, has nine months to 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.280 respond and divest from its China based parent company. But 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.680 they said, hoh my beer. They want to sue first. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.680 I guess all branches of government are busy this week 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:54.200 with tiff level say it with me, Tiff nonsense, nonsense, 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.880 because the Supreme Court hurt a case that could mean 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.920 major consequences for the unhoused on a national level. The 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.880 case comes out of Grant's Past, Oregon, where it's illegal 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.680 to sleep in public spaces. A Ninth Circuit court struck 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.640 down the law as unconstitutional, and now Scotus must decide 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.400 whether they can make it illegal to sleep outside if 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.680 they have a choice to be somewhere else. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.399 And today the Supreme Court. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:29.200 We'll hear arguments on presidential community criminal presidential immunity. While 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.480 the Court has already decided on civil immunity with Richard Nixon. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.560 Donald Trump's legal argument would be to extend civil immunity 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.520 to criminal And of course there's no president for this, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:45.560 because we only have had one thuggish, ruggish bone unprecedented president. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.880 And yes, Trump has said unprecedented y'all we don't trust 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:53.680 the system, right right, Okay, Tiff is on the fences. 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.240 Okay, Okay, well I didn't know. I didn't get no, amen, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:58.400 it's I. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:03:58.800 Didn't want to. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.320 I was waiting to see what the second part of 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:00.640 it was. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.400 But for the record, she was worried about she should be. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.240 Okay, And then y'all think it's been hard on us? Right? 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:09.200 Yeah? 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:10.680 Yes, now, I said us. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.240 So I just want to know when in the entire 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:18.000 hell us started including Donald Trump, because I'm pretty sure 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.800 he is them. But we're going to ask the blacks, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.840 and guess what, that's us. We're the blacks. We are 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.680 that focus group. So y'all stay tuned for that very partial, 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.520 yet persuasive focus group. We'll also brag on some Trump 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:35.320 trial updates and what do Google more House, NYU, Columbia, 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:41.360 and Yale have in common? They rich, they tug, and 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.440 we have a very very important Justice for Marilyn Moseby update. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.040 And you know it's not home if we don't hear 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.400 from the NLP fan so count on it. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:55.040 Let's go, Okay, Tiff and Andrews. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.839 So this week, I know it's TIFF's favorite subject, but 0:04:58.920 --> 0:04:59.680 we gotta go here. 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.120 We you're talking Donald Trump. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.719 We are talking what has been named the hush money trial, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.440 but is actually the falsifying business records in the first 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:09.320 degree trial. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.120 There have been some updates. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.240 From gag orders to David Pecker's testimony, and I think 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.360 that what's really important here is we've got a perspective 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:20.600 that you can't always. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:21.000 Hear everywhere else. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.120 So I love for us to talk about briefly our 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.960 perspectives on this particular case and what's at stake. 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.039 I'll say a little more. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.960 I'll say a little more. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.360 I mean, y'all were to sound. We all had no 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.400 sound from this trout. I ain't no sound from this trout. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.000 And I'll let you there was some sound. But I 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.599 don't think we need to plan on this show. But 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.520 I do like what Mitt Romney said when he came 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.719 out and spoke to cameras and said, I think we've 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.240 all gotten to see a testament of Donald Trump's character. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.680 And you don't pay somebody one hundred thirty thousand dollars 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.839 to not have sex with you, to pay it here, 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.160 But I think that sums it up well. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.400 It's surprising that he paid the man. I mean that's 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.440 the one. This is the piece of Donald Trump's reputation. 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.719 Of course that Hillary Clinton pointed out several times. She 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.480 even went to New Jersey at one of his clothesed casinos, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.800 because the man doesn't pay his bills. But in this instance, 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.080 first of all, last week we talked on the show 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.760 where he basically came out to cameras and said, Hey, 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.880 I had a lawyer, look at it. I paid a lawyer. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.320 They told me to write it down as a campaign, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.200 you know, and so that's what that's what I did. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.760 So he said, admitted to having done it. What I 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.120 found stunning was the admission by the National Inquirer, yes, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:45.040 of how they just wholesale went out and made up 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:50.960 stories about Trump's opponents to elevate Donald Trump, diminish his opponents, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.880 and then stories where they have legit red meat dirt 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:01.599 on Donald Trump. They go out by the story kill 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.920 the story, a story that if put on the front 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:11.440 page of the National Inquirer, supported by an actual bonafide witness, 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.800 could actually sell more papers. So, when they were asked 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.800 by the prosecutors, was it in your interest, your paper's 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:24.880 interest to kill the Trump story? The founder rightly said 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.480 mister Pecker, No, it was not in our interests. Which 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.480 is what goes to the heart of this case, which 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.400 is why we are seeing him in court in the 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:39.120 first place, is that he used resources, could have bought 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.280 it himself, but he didn't. It would have been legal 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.160 for him to do himself, but he went through his lawyer. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:49.480 They tried to off escape, they tried subterfuge, they tried secrecy, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.960 they tried it all and now the man's been called 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.000 to the carpet and we'll just see if he's held accountable. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.640 Well, I think a phrase that you hear a lot 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.880 in this trial is catch and kill, and so just 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.440 people understand what that is. That is when an entity, 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:07.800 an outlet, catches a story, assumingly buys a story, which 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.680 you know is an ethical in journalism. That's why people right, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.680 and it's important to draw that distinction, right, because they 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.680 will buy a story which when you pay somebody for something, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.680 it automatically puts it to question in terms of credibility, 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.560 and then kill the story. And that's what happened here. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.880 I think it's also important to note who reads the 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.640 National Inquirer. These were people who were more likely to 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.160 vote for Donald Trump. These are people who forgive the 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.480 elitist nature of this comment, but these were people who 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.080 I dare say were not the most intellectually curious if 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.080 you're going to the National Inquirer for your news. And 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.840 this is how we hear from our latest star. Last 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.400 week we talked a bit about Stormy Daniels. This week 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.760 we're hearing another old name uh makes all these charges 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.880 and scandals, and that's Karen McDougal, the former Playboy model 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.920 who says she had an afear with Trump in two 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:05.120 thousand and six, and this was her whole case. She 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:09.600 sued the American Media Inc. Which you know, David Pecker's company, 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.719 which owns National Inquirer, because they caught her story. They 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.559 bought her story, paid her I think one hundred and 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.680 fifty thousand dollars, and they were going to just do 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.320 away with it. She agreed to this because they agreed 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:27.800 to then write, let her write columns, and let her 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.679 be a model, but of course they never published anything 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.920 for her. I think it's also interesting that she was 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.959 talking about while she was a side chick, she met 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:40.400 Malania Trump, met Donald Trump's kids, walked past Baron's bedroom 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.800 and the weird stuff that she said. He said to her. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.680 He talked about how much he loves Ivanka and how 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:52.000 beautiful she is, and he would tell her that she's 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.440 beautiful like his dog. This weird, crazy, creepy stuff, and 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.600 so to me, regardless of the outcome of this case, 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.920 it really does put before the American people. This is 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.600 the kind of person that seventy five million, mostly white 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:12.040 people are voting for because he allows them the freedom 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.679 to say the quiet part out loud. He allows them 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:19.600 to freedom to hold mostly white power and white control. 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.400 As the demographics of this country change, they would rather 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.040 see it burned to ashes before they saw power equally 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.920 distributed among the American body politic, which is a patchwork 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.400 of all types of people, from all types of socio 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:37.600 economic backgrounds, all types of hues. And it's sad to see. Really, 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.120 I know, Angela, I'll go ahead, No, go ahead, Andrew. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.160 So Tiff. At least, at least none of us are 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.560 confused about why it is they keep showing up for 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.720 this man. This is yes, changing demographics, This is about power, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.400 and I just think none of us should ever forget 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.840 what's at game here, even the ability for a man 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.559 to be able to talk to a owner of a paper, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:01.240 get a story. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.280 Keelled, how about that? 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.800 Get other stories that are not fact based whatsoever? Put 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.640 in the cycle. And the one thing about you know, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.840 tabloids or tabloids, but some tabloids end up entering into 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.480 mainstream media. They may be the first one to go 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.800 that way, but they're the ones that make it a 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.080 public conversation that then others can then riff from. And 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.520 that's the power that this man had, and and Trump 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.720 zeroed in on it and took it for a ride. 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:31.240 Inside Edition said we were the outlet that everybody made 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.959 fun of, and then the cable news outlets became. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.040 Lord, how about that? So here's the thing. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.839 So David Pecker, as Tiff described, talked about this twenty 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.760 fifteen arrangement he had with Donald Trump. But more over, 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.600 which you just said, Tiff, which I think is really 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.079 important to our listening audience, is Donald Trump has had 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.480 the ability to say the quiet part out loud. However, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:57.000 in this instance, in this trial, he has been reprimanded 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:01.840 for ten instances of violating the order. Turns out the 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.280 gag is up and he might not be able to 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.400 keep talking as he has been talking. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.120 But on this since he's walked around immune. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.000 We know that at the center of this trial really 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.480 is the intersection of white privilege and wealth privilege. And 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.600 Donald Trump has escaped liability, escaped culpability because he's been 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.720 able to pay his way out of everything. And so 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.360 now whether or not he'll be able to continue the 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.920 end that privilege is before the Supreme Court of the 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.160 United States as they hear oral arguments in the presidential 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:32.960 immunity case. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:34.280 Why is this different? 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:41.000 His defense team is referencing Richard Nixon versus Fitzgerald, where 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.360 the Supreme Court ruled that a president is entitled to 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.640 civil immunity from litigation. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.120 What they've never. 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.439 Had to decide upon, as I said in our rundown, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:56.000 is whether or not presidents are immune from criminal liability. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:57.880 And that is what is at play here. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.880 Donald Trump is saying that that immunity should apply to 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.560 his criminal conduct. How do y'all think the Supreme Court 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.360 is going to rule on this? They're just hearing oral arguments. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:07.559 Now. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.600 We know we won't hear this until likely around June 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.680 or July, But how do y'all think that they're gonna 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:13.160 be SciTE on this? 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.280 I have a question when you the law says that 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.280 a president is immune from civil immunity, what does that 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.200 mean exactly? That means that somebody cannot privately sue the 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.000 president while he's in office. That's right, Sonny, acts done 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.360 while he was in office, got it? So any suits 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:34.120 that existed before they took office would persist, and any 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.520 suits that happen after it just can't be okay. So then, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.480 or I was gonna say, because Donald Trump was doing 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.360 all kinds of things while he was in office, I 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.680 was going to say, in the private sector, his children 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.520 the first year they were in office at Vanka and Jared, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.760 I think made over eighty million dollars. I think that 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:50.240 first year. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.200 So I wonder I think part of the distinction Tiff 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.000 and Angela, correct me if I'm wrong. I think part 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.720 of the distinction is is while you may be immune 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:02.880 from civil lawsuit while you serve as president for actions 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:07.160 that you take in the interests of the presidency thereby 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:08.160 the American people. 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.360 So acts that you. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.400 Take that are individual. And this is the line this 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.040 man is trying to draw, right, Well, he's not trying 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.160 to draw the line at all. He's saying, basically, as 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.960 I am president, I'm a king. I'm immune regardless of 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.480 what I've done, whether it is in the interest or 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.080 in pursuit of my job as president, or whether it's 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:34.800 in my individual Donald Trump croning, crooning, whatever capacity is 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.120 the what is that stake right now with the court, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.200 And I think it's It would even be a question 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.920 if this were civil. Matter has got to be whether 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:47.400 or not a president can be held responsible for acts 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.840 that are not consistent with his duties as a president 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.640 while he is serving as president. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.400 And official of official action. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.720 In this, man is basically saying, if I'm president is 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:06.320 official by right of title, anything I do is all right. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.760 And the court, if the court goes that way we 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.600 said this before. If he goes out and he kills 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:17.600 his political enemy and then says I'm president and therefore 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.800 it must be legal this they have to take this 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:25.600 to the logical extreme possibilities, and nowhere on planet Earth 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.880 could it be true except in Russia with Putin? Can 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.320 you kill your political enemy and never face a consequence 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:34.920 for it because you happen to be the president? 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.200 Him saying like, because I'm president, whatever I do is legal. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.760 This is definitely very reminiscent of Nixon, and it reminds 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.440 me of that infamous interview with Nixon and David Frost 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.880 where he's like, look, I'm the president, so whatever I did, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.120 I think the scary thing that we collectively, no matter 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.320 what side of the divide you fall on here, this 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:12.760 is such a dangerous case, you know, because if the 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.400 Supreme Court of Scotus rules, if they affirm Trump's claims, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:22.200 they will literally upset the separation of powers and usher 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.640 in this regime of lawlessness. Right, this is an existential 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.400 threat to America. And if that happens, this is not 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.360 what the framers intended. So for all the patriots out 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.680 there who love to draw up the founding fathers that 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.840 they think were these magical people, there is no case 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:46.080 that supports Trump's arguments that he's just immused. It's just unreal. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.920 So you are unraveling uh centuries of American democracy, which 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.040 I think would cast a really dark shadow over the 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.280 rest of the globe. The symbolism of America is important 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.480 for world order. If that falls, I shudder to see 0:16:59.480 --> 0:16:59.920 what happens. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.320 Tip to your point, You're like, there there is no case. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.879 There really is no case, like the idea, there's nothing 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.280 for them to harken back to, because there was a 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.560 point in time in this country, not long ago, where 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.199 even a tan suit was criminal in the in the 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.080 old way, you know what I mean. But there is 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.880 there is this this double, this triple, this quadruple standard 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:27.320 where you can escape just because you're highly popular. You 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.480 can escape because of your celebrity. You can escape because 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.360 of the number of people who live in their fear, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.959 who aspire to be like you. And this is the 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.919 indeed the problem. I am terrified about whether or not 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.800 this Supreme Court, the makeup of this Supreme Court, can 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.959 remember that their obligation is to interpret the Constitution and 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:54.960 its intent for this country, not to protect this flamethrower. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.920 You know, like your your obligation is not to protect 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:03.760 this reckless human being who will single handedly. And I 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.960 should stop saying that because I know better. I believe 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.720 what Harry Reid said when he said this was the 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.080 Republican Party's freak, itsign, not single handedly, but as a result, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.520 it is building destroyed democracy. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.000 And hard. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.760 It's so hard every time I talk about the destruction 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.920 of democracy, because I know that this very broken system 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.359 hasn't served us, but it is the one we have. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.399 It is the one that we have the ability to 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.639 repair unless we listen to Donald Trump. 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.840 Look, why do you have to lose? You're living in poverty, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.000 your schools are no good, you have no jobs. 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.679 Fifty eight percent of your youth is unemployed. 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.479 What the hell do you have to lose? 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.920 The black people are so much on my side now 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.080 because they see what's happening to me happens to them. 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:00.240 The mugshot. We've all seen the mugshot. And you know 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.240 who embraced it more than anybody. 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:03.320 Else, the black population. 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.280 It's incredible. You see black people walking around with my 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.920 mouth shut. I'm being indicted for you, the black population. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.439 Chow wow. 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:16.119 You know what? 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.160 I remember when he said the first part. I'll get 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:19.879 to secondbout it in a minute, but the first part 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.920 where he's going down this list of what he considers 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.240 to be the eels that the black community in this 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.160 country were facing. This is back in twenty sixteen, these 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:36.000 campaign against Hillary. I don't remember the judgment Animus venom 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.760 that was in his voice when he was giving that 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:45.640 This wasn't a person listing issues and solidarity with a plight. 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.359 This was a man from a Pejorada's standpoint, calling out 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.680 all the things that they say in their quiet places 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.399 about black folk. He's at a rally saying, y'all stink. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.880 You sit on the corner and you wait for the bus, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.760 you go to the groceryes. So what a plastic people 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:02.960 had wrap on your head? 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:03.439 You do? 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:04.000 You know? 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.840 He's going down all of the judgments that are made 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.800 by his folks and basically saying, you live in shit 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.600 and squalor what the hell else do you have to 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.919 lose by electing me? This was when usually people go 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.240 down a laundry list. It is in solidarity with no 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:24.000 one should have to face this. That ain't what he 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.200 did there. And I just picked it up listening at 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.000 that clip. I knew it was wrong from the moment 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.320 I heard it. But yeah, but the animus and the 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.000 venomous didn't come through quite the way that it did 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:35.560 just there. And then just one last point and I'll 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.840 give it up, which is to say, for those who 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.159 may think, why would you hold a president immune in 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.439 any at any point because they were president, let's just 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.800 understand that the law is based in something the president 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.360 is based in something real, which is you wouldn't want 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:56.280 a President Obama being sued by a bunch of different 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:01.040 states or senators or Donald Trump's or whomever because he 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.719 decided to pull troops out of Iraq. That is an 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:08.760 official act of the presidency. He is the commander in chief. 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.600 He executed that, but by doing so, maybe there were 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.400 some other consequences that fell from it. You don't want 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.040 a president being wrapped up and having a second thought, 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.640 second think every judgment decision they make as the executive 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.200 of the President of the United States, acting in fear 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.120 or trepidation because he may be sued while he's still president. 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.639 Those are called official acts, right. What he's trying to 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.600 do is extend this definition of official acts to say 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:39.440 anything that I do, any conduct that I have while 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.080 I'm President of the United States, I'm immune from it. 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.840 That ain't never been the law. And that is the 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:47.639 question that is before the Supreme Court. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:49.880 That is the question that is before the Supreme Court. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.560 But the question is before us. The Blacks have convened 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:58.960 their focus group is whether this is relatable to us, 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.359 not just what in the hell do we have to lose. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.000 We know how much is on the line, we know 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:04.800