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Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan
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Speaker 1: what Rick Holiday just did. Right there. We were gaping away,
Speaker 1: about to go off on our fourth or fifth topic,
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Speaker 1: we say pull up the skirt and lift up, you know, inappropriate.
Speaker 1: Let's close the kimono for a minute here. Yeah, nice,
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Speaker 1: Um by the way, something no jokes. Someone said this
Speaker 1: to me Erica. I was speaking with a member of
Speaker 1: the NFL media team. He works in a department, um
Speaker 1: in the realm of videography, and we were talking about
Speaker 1: our upcoming London trip, which is a few weeks away now,
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks away, and um, we will be
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Speaker 1: we're talking about staffing. Who's going to be with us?
Speaker 1: And I said, so is it all? Is Erica doing
Speaker 1: like the bulk of the behind the scenes work? And
Speaker 1: this individual said, yeah, it's like you guys could use
Speaker 1: another body, and I mean Erica, she's like talent anyway.
Speaker 1: So really someone said that pretty cool. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I really need to stop doing everything so well because
Speaker 1: I'm the only one going and it's like I have
Speaker 1: to do all the video, I have to do everything.
Speaker 1: You know, somehow you'll survive. I don't know if trip
Speaker 1: to London. I mean, there was one like burning takeaway
Speaker 1: last year was that too might two people might not
Speaker 1: have been enough help. So reducing it down to one
Speaker 1: feels in last year. Last year, it was before Erica
Speaker 1: had risen up to talent. Yeah, you even be willing
Speaker 1: to do the grunt work at this stage. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes Dan, you gotta you gotta be able to separate
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Speaker 1: So not only am I talent, but I'm producing four
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Speaker 1: so very much. I cry myself to sleep every night.
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Speaker 1: today's show. Uh, this is this is good, this is
Speaker 1: you know, the season has been defined in part by
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks going down with injuries and in one case
Speaker 1: an illness and other um unherlded players having to rise
Speaker 1: up and take over the most important position in the sport.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna kind of take a spin through and
Speaker 1: check in on each of those quarterbacks, those backups that
Speaker 1: are now starters in a segment we like to call
Speaker 1: hold the fort Ellipses or hold to but your butts.
Speaker 1: I like that Butts is. There was a time I
Speaker 1: would say about ten fifteen years ago where Butts was
Speaker 1: kind of losing heat in terms of UH in society
Speaker 1: and the UH. And I feel like Butts is really
Speaker 1: coming on strong again. And then we're having a butt
Speaker 1: moment a little bit. Maybe Samuel Jackson helping it back
Speaker 1: in Jurassic Park right back in that's always always currying
Speaker 1: with our pop call. But that was peak. But was peak.
Speaker 1: But and then it kind of went away and everybody
Speaker 1: was like as and Booty and all were not as
Speaker 1: a phenomenon. Phenomenon has always been going strong. Everything coming
Speaker 1: back after twenty years, right, I'm just saying the word
Speaker 1: that were but is back in a big way. Boots
Speaker 1: overtaking but booty or butts over set. What the help
Speaker 1: the butts overtaking booty is. That's a major moment for jargon,
Speaker 1: big jargon, good jargon talk. Save it for the jargon.
Speaker 1: Please cut that for us, Eric, Uh, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: have time for that stuff anymore. We'll also preview Thursday
Speaker 1: night football look ahead to the beginning of week four
Speaker 1: while we are rolling Eagles at Packers. But before we
Speaker 1: do that, Uh, we'll hit some news. But before we
Speaker 1: do that, we wrap up. Week three was some Monday
Speaker 1: night football jock gun snappers, back Bears and a Scott
Speaker 1: with mac. Here's the throat down to show accept it.
Speaker 1: Take it away by the Bear. Ha ha, Clinton Dix,
Speaker 1: I don't run us the tig to the five. He
Speaker 1: got a touch, d'all pick six Bears. I'm abortingly it's
Speaker 1: six something Jeff Johnny Ach with the call w B
Speaker 1: b M. The Chicago Bears defense was as dominant as
Speaker 1: advertised in the first half of the Monday night matchup
Speaker 1: at FedEx Field in Washington, Uh, putting the Bears uh
Speaker 1: in a giving the Bears at thirty one to fifteen
Speaker 1: win over the Washington Redskins, a game that in addition
Speaker 1: to that haha, Clinton Dicks um turnover interception run back
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, four more turnovers created five total, all
Speaker 1: charged to case Keenum, who had a very rough night
Speaker 1: and on the quarterback side of the ball for the Bears,
Speaker 1: progress for Mitch Robinsky, who didn't light things up Chris
Speaker 1: Westling on Monday night, but statistically he threw three touchdowns. Uh,
Speaker 1: he seemed to get comfortable. They took the foot off
Speaker 1: the petal on the second half. But it was absolutely
Speaker 1: a game of progress for the Bears offense in their quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's nice to have great field position when you're a
Speaker 1: struggling quarterback, and he started, by my count, twenty four
Speaker 1: for about two yards and three touchdowns before that goal
Speaker 1: line interception to Josh Norman where he just needed about
Speaker 1: another foot or two on the fade um. If he
Speaker 1: plays like that, they'll win the division. But everybody plays
Speaker 1: like that against the Redskins. So I think he put
Speaker 1: the doubts to rest for a week. I mean he
Speaker 1: didn't put the doubts to rest. Really, people are continue
Speaker 1: to doubt the Bears, but he gave himself a little
Speaker 1: bit of a breathing room, whereas everybody was breathing down
Speaker 1: his neck in the first two games. He's got a
Speaker 1: stack a few of these games. Yes, they did what
Speaker 1: they have to, but when you don't gain three hundred
Speaker 1: yards against you know, one of the worst defense in
Speaker 1: the league, you don't get any lollipops. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: they did what they had to, they got out of
Speaker 1: I get it. When you get the ball and the
Speaker 1: other team's territory, you're not racking up yards, I get it.
Speaker 1: But for instance, yeah, one of those touchdown drives was
Speaker 1: four yards. They had another um drive where they got
Speaker 1: the ball basically in reds against territory, they didn't do
Speaker 1: anything with it. Yeah, it was fine, but they started
Speaker 1: the game with two punts and you ended with under
Speaker 1: three hundred yards against the Redskins. They got the job done.
Speaker 1: You you move on. You didn't learn a ton. I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with more Greg that I I and I've
Speaker 1: been real tough on Trabinsky and the Bears in general.
Speaker 1: And this was a Bears dream game, dream type of
Speaker 1: scenario where your defense is going to score a touchdown
Speaker 1: put you up early, generally NonStop chaos for the opposing quarterback,
Speaker 1: and you come out of it, like you said, Dan,
Speaker 1: thinking oh maybe we're okay, which mim mits Robinsky in
Speaker 1: a game where like every game, they're going to mention
Speaker 1: over and over that this front office, uh, they don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about it. But they drafted him ahead
Speaker 1: of Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes. And the game opened
Speaker 1: when Trabinsky overthrew a couple of guys and through some
Speaker 1: bad passes early, and I understand he got He cleaned
Speaker 1: it up down the stretch, no doubt. But the big
Speaker 1: narrative was that they came away from talking with Chicago's
Speaker 1: coaching staff that they had to simplify this playbook, take
Speaker 1: a lot off Rabinsky's plate, and we're talking about a
Speaker 1: third year starting quarterback who is still sort of a
Speaker 1: work in progress, to say the best, when other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: around the league are shining at a much earlier time.
Speaker 1: So it is progress, I guess, but I really think
Speaker 1: it's more just hold off the conversation for another week.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little misleading to point to the
Speaker 1: counting stats in this game and say, oh, they still
Speaker 1: have a long way to go, because I think they
Speaker 1: they were perfectly They were good in the first half
Speaker 1: on offense, and that the final passing through of the
Speaker 1: first half was a beautiful ball to Taylor Gabriel who
Speaker 1: had three touchdowns in this game before going out with concussion.
Speaker 1: And I kind of put it more on Naggy and
Speaker 1: the Bears coaching staff, who really almost to the point
Speaker 1: where the Redskins almost got back into this game in
Speaker 1: the second half if not for another Keendom interception, they
Speaker 1: did not. They stopped being aggressive. So I kind of
Speaker 1: stick a pin in it at half of this game
Speaker 1: and then I want to see what smart. But next well,
Speaker 1: aggressive is the right word because going into this game,
Speaker 1: I think Trabinsky was dead lasting yards per attempting, yards
Speaker 1: per completion. They just weren't going down the field at all.
Speaker 1: And I think the other question you have to ask,
Speaker 1: even after this game, which a lot of things went right,
Speaker 1: where are the big place to Tarik Cohen, who was
Speaker 1: the engine who made this offense go last year. It
Speaker 1: was good to see their defense, you know, come up
Speaker 1: with those big plays. Not that it's surprising to see it,
Speaker 1: but this is kind of how they've won game's last
Speaker 1: year was naggy cooking up fairly easy throws. But I
Speaker 1: don't feel bad, you know, harping on those stats. You know,
Speaker 1: when I went to check the PF grades from this game,
Speaker 1: just curious. Strabisky was one of the lowest ranked quarterbacks
Speaker 1: of the week because he missed a lot of throws,
Speaker 1: because he took a couple of sacks, because the offense
Speaker 1: ultimately scored seventeen points. Lucky there, he did his job.
Speaker 1: But said also one of the lowest right quarterbacks of
Speaker 1: the leek was its best week for quarterback rank there
Speaker 1: Lucky Trabisky didn't take a safety very early in this game.
Speaker 1: It was not a great start, and I thought that
Speaker 1: he came around and he did enough to think you
Speaker 1: can win ten eleven games if the defense plays this
Speaker 1: way and Strabisky is not forced to put the entire
Speaker 1: game on his back. I just don't personally that's you're
Speaker 1: gonna get bit at some point, They're gonna get bit
Speaker 1: and gonna get knocked out there not This is not
Speaker 1: the eighty five Bears, because that doesn't exist in this
Speaker 1: league anymore, where your quarterback and throw it for a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five yards a game. Let's shift over
Speaker 1: the Washington side of this um as I said, Keenum
Speaker 1: five turnovers and he had played pretty well the first
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of the seas and it was farther,
Speaker 1: uh furthest from their problems. Their defense was the big
Speaker 1: issue issue in their O and to start, But after
Speaker 1: a five turnover game, a game in which you fall
Speaker 1: to oh and three, a game in which it sounded
Speaker 1: like sixty or seventy of the fans there were rooting
Speaker 1: for the visiting team at fed X Field, it is
Speaker 1: a low point for the Washington franchise, a franchise that
Speaker 1: really needs a shot in the arm. The most logical
Speaker 1: shot in the arm is the guy you picked in
Speaker 1: the first round of the most recent draft. That's a quarterback,
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. So naturally, after the game, uh, Jay Gruden,
Speaker 1: whose butt is on fire right now speaking of butts,
Speaker 1: was asked, is it Haskins time? He was asked, is
Speaker 1: it Haskins time? I mean change response public Not really. No.
Speaker 1: I think that's the most important thing is we have
Speaker 1: to have some continuity. You know, I can't be changing
Speaker 1: people every five minutes here. So I think case I
Speaker 1: gotta give Case another an apple opportunity play with these
Speaker 1: new guys. And this is the first time in this offense, really,
Speaker 1: you know, um Donald Penn, Eric Flowers, our first time
Speaker 1: in the softfense. You know, Terry dray Quin only played
Speaker 1: two games last year. I made this point before. We're
Speaker 1: not going to be perfect, but we need to be better,
Speaker 1: and I think we can get better. Otherwise, if I
Speaker 1: didn't think we had a chance to get better than
Speaker 1: I would make a change. But I feel like Case
Speaker 1: has the tools to be become a very efficient quarterback
Speaker 1: in the softfense and get us some victories here. Um
Speaker 1: moving forward West, that was the first level I've actually
Speaker 1: heard that, and he always he kind of caught himself there.
Speaker 1: He seemed to be he seemed to say he's going
Speaker 1: to give him one more start, and then he corrected
Speaker 1: himself and he's gonna give him more time. It can't
Speaker 1: be much more than that, because what does Jake Ruden
Speaker 1: and the Redskins have to lose at this point. Well,
Speaker 1: there's two things going on here. Case Keenum, unlike some
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks in the league, did not run himself into
Speaker 1: pressure last night. He had Khalil mac hanging on his
Speaker 1: arm every throw. What are you gonna do? I mean,
Speaker 1: that wasn't on the quarterback, the pressure he was facing,
Speaker 1: not the decisions he made because of the pressure is
Speaker 1: on him. But that pressure is gonna affect any quarterback
Speaker 1: that the Redskins way, and Dwayne Haskins was clearly not
Speaker 1: ready a month ago. Does that mean he's ready now?
Speaker 1: I doubt it. They talked about Dwayne Haskins in a
Speaker 1: place right now where he's still learning to go through
Speaker 1: an NFL week of preparation, and and that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: the worst thing for a rookie. That's been true of others.
Speaker 1: But I just think that he does not feel that
Speaker 1: putting Haskins out there into the fire is necessarily going
Speaker 1: to give you better results than a milk toast case keenum,
Speaker 1: I mean any And don't try to sell us case
Speaker 1: keenum either, but the Redskins have been trying to sell
Speaker 1: us something subpar for a very long time now. And
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me that the Redskins in general don't
Speaker 1: generate a lot more target fire than they do for
Speaker 1: running the team they way they they have from that
Speaker 1: front office on down, it's ridiculous. Their offense is not
Speaker 1: improved at all from there the radar, which is for
Speaker 1: Redskins fans who you know, saw them win three Super
Speaker 1: Bowls and a little over a decade. It's hard to
Speaker 1: believe this should be one of the you know, NFL
Speaker 1: jewel franchises, and yet they're they're pretty far off the radar.
Speaker 1: And this situation where Jay Gruden maybe didn't want Dwayne Haskins,
Speaker 1: you know, this is where it comes home to roost,
Speaker 1: where you're hearing these whispers about Haskins, which may be
Speaker 1: true or not. And you can put two and two
Speaker 1: together of how those whispers get out there, and the
Speaker 1: front office and ownership might want one thing eventually, and
Speaker 1: they'll get what they want. I mean, it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of time. They play the Patriots in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. I don't know. Maybe they're waiting behind that offense,
Speaker 1: but I'm not saying it's a good idea even I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just it's just a mess. Yeah, draft,
Speaker 1: I got to hide him though that doesn't happen in
Speaker 1: the NFL anymore. But I don't think that's what I say.
Speaker 1: It's a matter of times. They also didn't draft him
Speaker 1: knowing that he would be a quicker student or not
Speaker 1: a quick student. And it doesn't sound like he's picked
Speaker 1: up the offense like some sort of robotron character in
Speaker 1: five or six hours longer. Mean, Trent Williams is really
Speaker 1: just hanging out there, just kind of forgot everyone's forgotten
Speaker 1: about this left tackle. He is off the grid, hanging
Speaker 1: out with Melvin Gordon. One good thing, Scary Terry impresses
Speaker 1: me everything. Terry McLaren. He he might be the best
Speaker 1: of all these rookie receivers. Uh was he even drafted
Speaker 1: third round? But he was billed as like the best
Speaker 1: special teams prospect that you'll ever see in a draft,
Speaker 1: and it turns out he might have been the best
Speaker 1: receiver instead. Where are you on tight end? Jeremy Sprinkle?
Speaker 1: Who's times than I needed last night? And don't throw
Speaker 1: the ball to him anymore? Please, Okay, let's do some news.
Speaker 1: Sprinkle takes a straight and I want to be being
Speaker 1: my one of my old co workers that the ladder
Speaker 1: off the off the trump and raise it up and
Speaker 1: because it sis the people down, my man just start
Speaker 1: throwing babies out the window. He was catching Unlike the
Speaker 1: Eagles receiver who has had some issues with drops in
Speaker 1: ball security early this season. That was a Philadelphia resident
Speaker 1: who was involved um with a fire within the city limits.
Speaker 1: That led to a brave individual going into a room
Speaker 1: with babies and tossing the babies out the window and
Speaker 1: the babies being caught and shout out to Nelson Agilor,
Speaker 1: who gets put on blast wildly leading off the six
Speaker 1: o'clock news and invites that man and his family to
Speaker 1: an upcoming Eagles game. So good on Nelson. One quick
Speaker 1: note on that, because we get to talk about football endlessly.
Speaker 1: If suddenly you're just a working man and you're in
Speaker 1: part of a rescue effort and you find yourself on
Speaker 1: the six o'clock news for probably the only time in
Speaker 1: your entire life, got to get your football commentary in
Speaker 1: there where you can. I don't like that he took
Speaker 1: l Aghalore down that way, but you've got to use
Speaker 1: that moment. And I thought it was an aware a
Speaker 1: bit of broadcast team the Rescue Men, New Bagel Boss potentially.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love I mean, he just slid
Speaker 1: that in there like it was it was at the time.
Speaker 1: He also us right at the camera while he was
Speaker 1: saying it. There was that look of kind of disgusted,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm talking, like how many babies
Speaker 1: are we talking? The way it sounded like it was
Speaker 1: like like a nursery six seven at a time. It
Speaker 1: was like it was like you you might have pumped
Speaker 1: that stat up a little. I know you guys don't care,
Speaker 1: and I know he made that drop. But he still
Speaker 1: did get twenty two points in Fantasy this week, so
Speaker 1: he still was You know, he's not terrible, but it's
Speaker 1: because Carson ways no one else to throw to, so
Speaker 1: he keeps on pumping it into the guy who can't
Speaker 1: catch the ball well to touch. You don't think you're
Speaker 1: gonna score two touchdowns in the NFL game when you're
Speaker 1: ten years old and then getting assassinated on the six
Speaker 1: o'clock news. Well, maybe baby is easier to catch than
Speaker 1: the football. I don't think you know, that seems unlikely. Well,
Speaker 1: there's more to grab onto. There's arms, there's legs, sentient
Speaker 1: being versus object. You need the lighting, Well you got
Speaker 1: the fire coming off the building, all right, Um, a
Speaker 1: lot more pressure with a baby. Let's check it in
Speaker 1: some big injury news here, Cam Newton, who we know
Speaker 1: was shut down after reaggorating at foot injury. Well, we
Speaker 1: have a problem here because Tom Palaicero of the NFL
Speaker 1: Network reported Tuesday that the Panthers quarterback is believed to
Speaker 1: be dealing with Oh that Harlot, that wretched woman, Liz Frank.
Speaker 1: She's bad. Oh, she is a terrible woman. It's a
Speaker 1: Liz Frank injury he's dealing with in the arch of
Speaker 1: his foot, and as we know, the Liz Frank injury
Speaker 1: is very rarely good news for an NFL player. The
Speaker 1: plan for now for Newton is to continue rehabbing an
Speaker 1: avoid surgery, but he could be sidelined for some time. Uh.
Speaker 1: Perhaps ominously, Ron Rivera, who ruled out Newton quickly on
Speaker 1: Monday and announced Kyle Allen to be starting again UH,
Speaker 1: did not put a timetable on Newton's recovery, which, yes,
Speaker 1: again points to this potentially being a lengthy absence. The
Speaker 1: Redskins medical staff has taken some heat uh for mismanaging
Speaker 1: their players. Trent Williams, how about the Panthers kind of
Speaker 1: having the exact same problem that they had with Cam
Speaker 1: Newton just two years ago, where they rushed him back
Speaker 1: to the field too quickly. He ended up not playing
Speaker 1: too well with his shoulder injury and it became a
Speaker 1: bigger issue long term. He hurt this foot in the
Speaker 1: third week of the preseason. Seemed like a fairly serious
Speaker 1: injury at the time, and they, of course he wants
Speaker 1: to be back on the field, and he got back
Speaker 1: on the field for Week one, and there's no official
Speaker 1: report of when he reheard it, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: it was early in the second quarter of Week one.
Speaker 1: I mean, they they regret, they have to regret that
Speaker 1: decision that they rushed him back and it's now gonna
Speaker 1: hurt his season. I'm with Mark. I feel like there
Speaker 1: is a chance there's a huge house cleaning coming with
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, and it might just include medical staff
Speaker 1: if this ends up being a situation where they brought
Speaker 1: him back too soon and your franchise star in a
Speaker 1: pivotal season in his career rex his foot. To Greg's point,
Speaker 1: it feels like Dejalvio. It's like, we've don't we've seen
Speaker 1: these stories with the Panthers sort of over now, what
Speaker 1: if he were to resort at some point to platelet
Speaker 1: rich injections, gregre where are you. Well, I'm not sandwich
Speaker 1: prop you're I haven't heard one. That is a long
Speaker 1: way to go in the season. There were whispers of one,
Speaker 1: get your lunch. I want to get the specifics of that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I I said there would be more PRPs platelet rich
Speaker 1: plasma in Jackson's or whatever in the season than Cardinals victories. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's tied zero zero right now. You're doing fine. Um,
Speaker 1: I helped you out. A couple of forty Niners fans
Speaker 1: have sent me some stuff, but uh, a man of integrity.
Speaker 1: They were referring to Jerick McKinnon and defour that the
Speaker 1: surgery has been mentioned. But those guys got it in
Speaker 1: the preseason before I put this out there, so I
Speaker 1: have not seen one happen in the regular Just for
Speaker 1: bookkeeping and again Nick Fortier and go get my lunch
Speaker 1: dot org Um Mark and West took you up on this.
Speaker 1: Greg I stayed away, well right now at zero zero,
Speaker 1: like he stayed away. It seems like a suicide mission.
Speaker 1: We have the root for the Cardinals everywhere. It was
Speaker 1: too murky, and I didn't I don't like murky. Ricky.
Speaker 1: I had asked you to reach out to all the
Speaker 1: major news outlets. Yeah, I'm tracking it just to make
Speaker 1: sure we have everyone accounted for. Yeah, TMZ said get
Speaker 1: a hobbied in ouch ouch ouch out nailed it. See
Speaker 1: is who Erica thinks immediately as the best news source
Speaker 1: dot com articles. Don't do news articles. You know. I
Speaker 1: have to speak on this. I do feel like since uh,
Speaker 1: the Greg Rosenthal about any project with a comedian friend,
Speaker 1: since that has ramped up and Ricky has become talent
Speaker 1: on that show, the relationship between Greg and Ricky seems
Speaker 1: to be deteriorating before our very eyes. Everybody was picking
Speaker 1: that up. I mean we're peaking, I mean from a
Speaker 1: different angle. I mean in terms of you know, show
Speaker 1: contents and you know, I don't think that would have
Speaker 1: I mean she she her roles stayed the same throughout
Speaker 1: on that. I don't. I don't think I would. Are
Speaker 1: you change, Erica? Is your relationship with Greg good right now? Yes?
Speaker 1: Or no? I would say medium s. The closer we get,
Speaker 1: the more Greg feels like he can like talk to
Speaker 1: me in a specific way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But you but we're close, but that doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: he he's more comfortable with me, so he can get
Speaker 1: away with saying, but I'm taking notes. You know, you
Speaker 1: know there have been scandals that have been built on
Speaker 1: smaller mode. It's not even it's not scandals, not scandalous.
Speaker 1: I would it would be. It would be more interesting
Speaker 1: if it was scandalous. He's like, that should be a
Speaker 1: hyphen and matchup next next time, just f y I
Speaker 1: And this is how Greg jokes around. He does the
Speaker 1: same thing with Brasci. I mean, I think Eric is
Speaker 1: worried that it's like apathy is taking has taken over
Speaker 1: the relationships to anything. And yes, I've got to tell
Speaker 1: you you're spelling errors on your sonop. You know when
Speaker 1: you when you write our podcast thing and it looks
Speaker 1: like a twelve year old wrote I'm trying to help
Speaker 1: you out. I'm not sure she wanted that in the show. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't write. I don't write the all of that
Speaker 1: all the time too, So I will let the person
Speaker 1: that was, Wow, you have shredded somebody hard leadership leadership
Speaker 1: at taking the fall. Yes, but it is an adult
Speaker 1: piecing those together in your department. Okay, you can write
Speaker 1: match up without a hyphen like matchup is that I've
Speaker 1: never said matchup once? I just said capitalize. It was easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it's fertile ground. Let's explore this next week. Alright,
Speaker 1: so listeners, you can track track this with you as
Speaker 1: you listen as well. See how sure they will be
Speaker 1: keep west and out of it. Please, thank you. I'm
Speaker 1: you were all great boys. I can't wait to go
Speaker 1: to go to London with you three. I'm really looking
Speaker 1: forward to it. All right, And well, since I stuck
Speaker 1: my nose in your business, do you want to plug
Speaker 1: that podcast? Oh? Yeah, we're taping tonight the Justin, Nick
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Speaker 1: whatever what's it called throw podcast? The Human Sweat Plans.
Speaker 1: Is that that's a good fantasy. Wow, all right, let's
Speaker 1: get into its sa icon. Barkley has a high ankle sprain. Ah.
Speaker 1: The only thing worse than Liz Frank is the high
Speaker 1: ankle sprain. Uh. It's something that could linger and and
Speaker 1: you never know how bad it is. It could be
Speaker 1: something I cost you a few weeks, it could ruin
Speaker 1: your whole season. That's what we're talking about. And see
Speaker 1: Juan Barkley has that injury. Rap Sheet reported Monday that
Speaker 1: Barkley is expected to be out four to six weeks
Speaker 1: because of the injury. Pat Schurmer, the Giants coach, later
Speaker 1: confirmed the injury, did not offer confirm the injury, but
Speaker 1: did not offer a timetable for a return, And um, Greg,
Speaker 1: you're good at this insider wars stuff. But notably, Adam Schefter,
Speaker 1: the ESPN version of rap sheet UH set the timetable
Speaker 1: UH closer to eight weeks. I think he said it
Speaker 1: at four to eight weeks, with the more likely scenario
Speaker 1: being closer to the UH deeper end of the pool
Speaker 1: on that one sighting like I just said, the specifics
Speaker 1: of the injury, it's it's a hard in really get
Speaker 1: back from. Yeah, I think I think the NFL dot
Speaker 1: com is saying that too. Tom Pauli Sero at least
Speaker 1: after was he was really hinting strongly that it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be until after the week eleven by that we'd see
Speaker 1: him again. I also think that Giants and teams are
Speaker 1: strategic in the way they put these out there because
Speaker 1: they never want to put the player in a bad
Speaker 1: position where he comes back later than the timeline. So
Speaker 1: you so, yeah, it is more likely and if he
Speaker 1: comes back early, if I'm putting out a report four
Speaker 1: to six, as the reporter gives me less wiggle room
Speaker 1: than four to eight. Four to eight, you know you
Speaker 1: have two more weeks to have been factually correct. And
Speaker 1: after watching the Giants offense for a second time minus
Speaker 1: Sequon Barkley, that's I'm not trying to delve into sacrilege here.
Speaker 1: Take for to eight. Take some time, is your point here?
Speaker 1: They look fantastic without him, but they weren't running the ball. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe we don't need to run hundred times again. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: they look even better again? I mean, I think he's
Speaker 1: a great player to us was a very very small
Speaker 1: sample size, but they got my blood flowing for the
Speaker 1: first time in roughly nine two thousand days, blown all
Speaker 1: over the place. Take whatever you will from it. I
Speaker 1: think four to eight weeks is cheating in the entire game.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a that's a look in the
Speaker 1: don't tell go tell Adam Schefter that he's I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know him personally, but you either have to
Speaker 1: go four to six or six to eight. You go
Speaker 1: four to eight, your head and your bets. What if
Speaker 1: he was told for eight, wouldn't you go with what
Speaker 1: you were told I'd say to that source, I need
Speaker 1: something a little bit more. This is a human body question,
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter. I go back to that guy. In fact,
Speaker 1: I go to the guy that told me four to
Speaker 1: eight and I say screw you, and I go find
Speaker 1: another source that can give me a better That is
Speaker 1: what they would call relationship build. Who would who would
Speaker 1: have thought that marks uh giants are better off without?
Speaker 1: Say Kwan Barkley would be the second hottest take of
Speaker 1: this segment. I'm just writing down. I think it's roughly
Speaker 1: predictable at the owner's meetings. I'm gonna find Schefter and
Speaker 1: go see that guy over there, Dan. He said that
Speaker 1: he was totally When you're done. When you're done with Schefter,
Speaker 1: go find Jay Glazer. Dan said his mail back sucks.
Speaker 1: You know what, in the I never said that, not
Speaker 1: a definitive Malasi come after you at Schefter. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I feel like he'd be like, oh, he's very nice
Speaker 1: guy like Schefter. He just he's too confident in himself
Speaker 1: and comfortable. He would just this will say Oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's probably his own issues he's working out. I hope
Speaker 1: he feels better. He wouldn't be right, though it's also
Speaker 1: why Ian doesn't have any friends because in the Insider
Speaker 1: Game it's it's very cutthroat, and as a member of
Speaker 1: that game, I understand that I didn't come here to
Speaker 1: make friends. I came here to deliver the best news,
Speaker 1: the most accurate news to the people. Wait, so you're
Speaker 1: saying that Ian's ploy um to name his podcast rap
Speaker 1: Sheet and Friends as a way to finally have friends.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a cry. Yeah, it was a little
Speaker 1: Can we just say what it is, which is a
Speaker 1: cry for help or it's a way to keep Mike
Speaker 1: Garret following pallisera down. I mean, they're just and friends, please,
Speaker 1: and you and I go way back, but we all
Speaker 1: know he doesn't. What do you got for John Clayton?
Speaker 1: You've thrown every other inside or under the bus I
Speaker 1: got I will say nothing about Clayton. I wrap your
Speaker 1: heart out. Um. Anyway, so se Quon's out, Uh and
Speaker 1: finally in the news. Uh, let's say a prayer for
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. I know we all come from different religious backgrounds,
Speaker 1: and some of us are practicing and some of us aren't.
Speaker 1: But Jalen Ramsey is ill and Uh, there's no way
Speaker 1: connected to his trade demand, because he wouldn't do that
Speaker 1: because he called the press conference last week he said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a distraction here. I don't
Speaker 1: know how this got out. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: a distraction. I want to be the best player I
Speaker 1: can for the Jaguars. But now he's ill, and he
Speaker 1: missed practice, and we don't know as of this recording
Speaker 1: mark whether he has recovered from this unidentified illness. So
Speaker 1: all you can do is prey take out the rosary. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean his focus is a laser focus. That much
Speaker 1: we know, and so this is something unforeseen. Uh and
Speaker 1: certainly not premeditated on any level. I take it very seriously.
Speaker 1: Can't schedule the flu. But he played really well the
Speaker 1: last two weeks he has, yes, yeah, not. The only
Speaker 1: issue I have is with the whole the way you
Speaker 1: issued the press conference, because everyone was begging him them
Speaker 1: to have a pres Scott, he had no choice. They
Speaker 1: make they make you address the media. Well, that gets like,
Speaker 1: that gets in the way of the fun that we're
Speaker 1: the team and that's what we wants him to do
Speaker 1: it that is it's all fun. Fun. No in season
Speaker 1: trade requesting. You don't have a press cot. It sounds
Speaker 1: like the Jaguars, you know, don't do not want to
Speaker 1: trade him, which I I thought was significant, or they
Speaker 1: can't get two first round picks. I think their owner
Speaker 1: distinctly did right now. I think they their owner coming
Speaker 1: on NFL network on that afternoon before they play and
Speaker 1: making it very clear that he's not too interested in
Speaker 1: trading Jalen Ramsey was a significant uh moment for him
Speaker 1: to say, I'm the boss here. Uh. He he might
Speaker 1: have issues with his coach. I'm evaluating everyone. I don't
Speaker 1: really want to get rid of Jalen Ramsey at this
Speaker 1: time where I'm evaluating the guys that want to get
Speaker 1: rid of them. They might not be here a year
Speaker 1: from now. Fair enough around absolutely that that that could
Speaker 1: be a hot butt too. Let's get into it. That's
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. Yes, no doubt. Samuel Jackson's
Speaker 1: most memorable line in any film ever, maybe the only
Speaker 1: iconic line of his that doesn't have a m effort
Speaker 1: in it or a swear word of some kind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not. No one's ever done it better. Sam Jackson,
Speaker 1: whole famer. All right, they don't have a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame for actors. I guess it's just winning Oscars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what, they're pretty liberal about handing those out.
Speaker 1: I went out to dinner with my podcast friend Bob
Speaker 1: the other day and I saw Al Michael's has a
Speaker 1: star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is awesome,
Speaker 1: But you know, Al's a sportscaster. Oh, I mean, but
Speaker 1: he's in the there's I feel like he's in at
Speaker 1: least the middle class of who has those there's. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of bigger stretches than that than now, Like
Speaker 1: he's been part of the number one show for a while,
Speaker 1: so yeah, he's a big, big, big guy television history. Alright,
Speaker 1: bad example, but there are a lot of people. If
Speaker 1: you taste like the third lead on basically that CBS
Speaker 1: show with Melissa McCarthy and the and her husband, you
Speaker 1: know it has a star in the Walk of Fame,
Speaker 1: take a walk on the Hollywood Boulevard and you'll be
Speaker 1: taken aback by some of the people that have that treatment.
Speaker 1: There are some low level names, and that removes the
Speaker 1: luster from a Sam Jackson, who I'm sure has a star. Uh,
Speaker 1: there should be Uh, you gotta pay, you gotta pay
Speaker 1: fifty tho bucks to get a star or something like that,
Speaker 1: which is like the most repeated fact that's annoying. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to pay for your own star. It's just
Speaker 1: a self promotion. I'll think you have to be like
Speaker 1: chosen to be able to pay for it, but ultimately
Speaker 1: you're a little douche even to go for it. Maybe
Speaker 1: they should have a different street in Hollywood that's for
Speaker 1: the real stars. So, like Harrison throws, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's fifty but you have to pay for it. But
Speaker 1: the upkeep to those towards the upkeep and everything, well
Speaker 1: a couple of them get, you know, regularly smashed. Yes,
Speaker 1: some for good reason. All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Uh quarterbacks, backup quarterbacks, assuming to the starring role. Starring role,
Speaker 1: Hollywood said hold the fort or all right, let's uh
Speaker 1: started off with Chris Wesling. Take one of these young
Speaker 1: passers and let us know where you stand on them
Speaker 1: based on what you've seen so far. Well, to me,
Speaker 1: the most intra steven one as of the brink of
Speaker 1: week four is the Steelers in Mason Rudolph because of
Speaker 1: I guess the the weighty results for this year. If
Speaker 1: if they draft in the top five, they won't be
Speaker 1: able to get a quarterback of the future. Because the
Speaker 1: Dolphins have their draft pick, they need to win games.
Speaker 1: And I don't remember the last time I've seen a
Speaker 1: game plan like this where it was just come out
Speaker 1: and throw tunnel screens to your receivers, the tunnel screens
Speaker 1: to nowhere that the defense saw coming and there was
Speaker 1: no offense whatsoever for a while. And this is his
Speaker 1: Job's Halder, I don't think he can He can't succeed
Speaker 1: in this offense until they fixed the running game. And
Speaker 1: Greg has pointed out that they missed Mike Munchak. On
Speaker 1: the offensive line, James Conner is the easiest runner in
Speaker 1: the league to bring down on first contact. This season,
Speaker 1: that is bad. He's not breaking tackles like he did
Speaker 1: last year, so that's a problem. And I think I
Speaker 1: think the offensive line knows, like, Okay, it's on us now.
Speaker 1: We have to fix this running game or else Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph has no shot. I don't think the offense looked
Speaker 1: great with Big Ben in there either, and he is
Speaker 1: tough too. You can't unsaddle from Big Ben next year
Speaker 1: contract wise, that's a tough ask. And I don't, but
Speaker 1: but the on the only thing I'd say in terms
Speaker 1: of more time needed is that they've talked about Mason Rudolph,
Speaker 1: which they didn't do with a lot of these other
Speaker 1: jabronies they brought in behind Big Ben over the years
Speaker 1: as their most likely potential quarterback of the future. They
Speaker 1: love his traits. He's size wise perfect, he's got a
Speaker 1: big arm, and I kind of liked what he did
Speaker 1: in that first appearance when he came in in relief
Speaker 1: of Big Ben. Last week was a big step down
Speaker 1: against a surging defense, So I just want to see more.
Speaker 1: Even in that first appearance, which had you know, eight
Speaker 1: or nine good plays, it was mostly all really easily
Speaker 1: defined one read, and that's not really playing quarterback as
Speaker 1: much as it's following coaching. Well, the weird thing is
Speaker 1: his reputation is his strength is going down field and
Speaker 1: being aggressive. And in his first NFL start he had
Speaker 1: the fewest completions that passed the line of scrimmage since
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow played. He had too they were both touchdown,
Speaker 1: so you know, he made him count. But that's insane
Speaker 1: that it was the most condensed offense since the Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow era. It watching the game. He definitely seemed to
Speaker 1: get better as it progressed. The numbers tell you that
Speaker 1: with the two touchdown passes, even though Juju did most
Speaker 1: of the work and the first one, I would I'm
Speaker 1: definitely in the hold onto your butt zone on this one. Um.
Speaker 1: I was expecting a little bit more in week one,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say I'd be in a panic mode yet.
Speaker 1: I just think he needs more reps. He's he's green.
Speaker 1: America should be in a panic. They're in primetime for
Speaker 1: the next seven weeks. Well, that's against the Bengals, against
Speaker 1: the Chargers, against the Dolphins on Monday night football. Can't
Speaker 1: flicks out of that, hope, opens up more time for
Speaker 1: hobbies that you might be interested on the side, and
Speaker 1: then against the Browns on Thursday night football. In weekly level,
Speaker 1: this is the biggest hold onto your butt situation on
Speaker 1: this list. I'm with you. It's a wild ride for
Speaker 1: the next what twelve weeks. The draft book, the aspect
Speaker 1: really puts so much on this. If this ends up
Speaker 1: being the number three or five pick for the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: he needs help. He's not getting it from his receivers,
Speaker 1: he's not getting it from his line and he's not
Speaker 1: getting his from his running backs, and this game plan
Speaker 1: wasn't giving him help either. If they if they have
Speaker 1: the third or fifth pick in this draft, and they're
Speaker 1: not gonna have because they're giving it away. But if
Speaker 1: they're in that position, I don't know who's gonna be
Speaker 1: making picks for them or who's gonna be coaching this team.
Speaker 1: There may be a major transition, and that changes everything
Speaker 1: for a quarterback that's already on the roster. I don't
Speaker 1: none of us are college heads. Although Mark, you're starting
Speaker 1: to really dig into it on Saturdays. What do you
Speaker 1: mean by digging watching fourteen different Division two guys like
Speaker 1: I drove down the street and saw it through a
Speaker 1: window of a sports bar. But other than that, for
Speaker 1: roughly e I'm jumping in on this two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: green wave just in time, Greg, I mean that's like
Speaker 1: the only highlight I saw from last week. And wearing
Speaker 1: powder blue jersey, I mean you get a fake victory
Speaker 1: formation run and then a sixty three yard touchdown to
Speaker 1: win the game. Uh, their first time on ESPN in
Speaker 1: like a decade. Please, um Northeastern University, my alma mater
Speaker 1: up in Boston, discontinued their football program. In my alma mater,
Speaker 1: Hucka Poos made it to the Flag Football Championship in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven. Wes, how have you survived without
Speaker 1: a college degree? How have you made it? I think
Speaker 1: just bumbling around and landing place. It's probably just riding
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal shirt tails for a while. That's the way
Speaker 1: to succeed. All right, Mark, give us so what is
Speaker 1: the verdict for us? It's this is the biggest hold
Speaker 1: onto your butt on the list. This is the quintessential
Speaker 1: hold onto your butt situation. Okay, Mark? I future wise,
Speaker 1: looking down the down the line, I think it's a
Speaker 1: hold onto your butts with Gardner Minshew, because like, this
Speaker 1: is a quarterback that I know, understand. He's got the
Speaker 1: persona around him, and he's getting more attention for most
Speaker 1: people because of the facial hair and the overly old
Speaker 1: picture of him with his you know, buttons down to
Speaker 1: his belly. But I mean, will Brinson come back to us.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna put a photo out there on social
Speaker 1: media and you're gonna make people think it's him getting
Speaker 1: off the plane to play Week two, well that's misleading
Speaker 1: the public. Well, I did not understand. I did not
Speaker 1: want that to happen. Then I apologize for that, but
Speaker 1: you've got you and you put all this money into
Speaker 1: Nick Foles, and I can't think of someone that When
Speaker 1: they gave that contract out, it felt like we're the
Speaker 1: last team in the NFL that doesn't have an answer
Speaker 1: at quarterback and we haven't drafted anyone in the last
Speaker 1: time we drafted and extended turned into a total debacle.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna overpay for a quarterback in Nick Foles,
Speaker 1: who has been a great story. But there are durability
Speaker 1: issues that we've talked about every single time we brought
Speaker 1: up Nick Foles, and those played out again, and I
Speaker 1: realize you can't predict that stuff, but it has been
Speaker 1: part of his career, and Nick Foles on the field
Speaker 1: as an NFL starter is an unknown commodity. And Gardner
Speaker 1: minshew what I would say, at the very least he's
Speaker 1: doing if he comes in for the rest of this
Speaker 1: season and plays the way he's played, I think they
Speaker 1: he's a good match for John d Filippa in that offense,
Speaker 1: and they've opened up and given him trust to do
Speaker 1: a lot to play aggressively every game he's made aggressive
Speaker 1: throws down field and sort of shaken awake a wide
Speaker 1: receiving corps that's been asleep for a long long time.
Speaker 1: I like all that stuff. The last thing I'll say
Speaker 1: is if he he kind of gives me and he's
Speaker 1: a better quarterback than Colt McCoy, but a kind of
Speaker 1: person that is essentially right now ensuring that he can
Speaker 1: play in the NFL for the next seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten years. If he can give you this, he is
Speaker 1: giving himself a career. When Samuel Jackson says hold onto
Speaker 1: your bucks in Jurassic Park, he doesn't know that he's
Speaker 1: going to die. All he knows that our lives are
Speaker 1: never going to be the same after this. Again, it
Speaker 1: could be Yeah, that was deep blue se I think.
Speaker 1: I think he dies, but they don't show. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: google it because there was a there was a hurricane
Speaker 1: on the island to Kauai while they were filming, and
Speaker 1: they never filmed his death. To your point, there doesn't
Speaker 1: know if he is or he's not deep knowledge. We
Speaker 1: don't know, So Gardner Minshew, something life changing is about
Speaker 1: to happen for the Jaguars. They just don't know where
Speaker 1: it's gonna go, and there's a chance that Nick Foles
Speaker 1: never gets his job back. That's among the possibilities that
Speaker 1: could happen. Would understand that journey better than some other
Speaker 1: quarterbacks exactly. There's also a chance that this saves the
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey era in Jacksonville. Maybe Minshew play so well
Speaker 1: that Ramsey has persuaded to drop his trade request. He's
Speaker 1: gonna need a lot of help from from the team
Speaker 1: around him, and he got it in week three. We'll
Speaker 1: see if that continues. I think the receivers are the
Speaker 1: least of their problems. Uh, Charkin Conley have been a
Speaker 1: nice duo all three weeks. Whether the offensive line, whether
Speaker 1: the running game, you know, the defense has to be
Speaker 1: really good. He's been so composed it it's a little
Speaker 1: it's not under the radar, but a sixth round rookie.
Speaker 1: It's wild for a sixth round rookie to come in
Speaker 1: and look so comfortable. And I do think the way
Speaker 1: that college offenses have changed and the NFL is kind
Speaker 1: of meeting them halfway, and especially these guys who are
Speaker 1: coming out of the Mike Leech system. Kyle Allen is different,
Speaker 1: but not so different. I mean Kyler Murray certainly. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're ready to go, and I think the Jaguars are
Speaker 1: smartly like playing to minshow strengths. He hasn't like lit
Speaker 1: it up, but he's really been good avoiding mistakes and
Speaker 1: he's really been good in making drives when he needed to,
Speaker 1: including in Houston. I mean that could have been a
Speaker 1: great moment. The drive that he led was awesome. Uh
Speaker 1: if they had hit that two point conversion. This from
Speaker 1: the January eighth, two thousand and eighteen edition of The
Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter. Sam Jackson's Jurassic Park character was originally going
Speaker 1: to die on screen. The actor says a hurricane ruined
Speaker 1: his planned trip to Hawaii to shoot the scenes. So, uh,
Speaker 1: the death is assumed, like you're saying um or presumed,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's never shown because they couldn't shoot
Speaker 1: it because of the schedule got jacked up by a hurricane.
Speaker 1: Should I be surprised? This isn't like some small independent
Speaker 1: home hanging onto a minor budget. This is Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: They couldn't find a way to shoot this job somewhere.
Speaker 1: Bad job by Spielberg that that feels like an unbelievable anecdotal,
Speaker 1: but that like he like, that's probably his death, you
Speaker 1: know what, it wasn't like deep Lucy where him getting
Speaker 1: eaten by the shark is essentially the point of the
Speaker 1: entire movie is basically for that moment. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a minor character in Jurassic Park, right, yeah? Sam Jackson also,
Speaker 1: uh this from Ricky Hollywood. Um ironically the Hollywood Walk
Speaker 1: of Fame star awarded in the year two thousand. Alright,
Speaker 1: throwing out there, Greg Rosenthal, are you fact checking me
Speaker 1: right now? Greg? I just see you instantly start typing
Speaker 1: as soon as you say that's a weird, really strange thing.
Speaker 1: I know, I was. I was going to ask how
Speaker 1: much of the the Hollywood start cost, just because I
Speaker 1: wanted to follow up on my own. In fact, you've
Speaker 1: already thrown a number out there, right, but I was
Speaker 1: just guessing the current fee is forty thousand dollars pretty good? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a rough idea i'd ever read it before
Speaker 1: you up it for inflation from when you heard that story.
Speaker 1: Who knows, all right, hold the fort or hold onto
Speaker 1: your buck right through somebody else. I'm gonna say that
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen can hold the four I mean, I love
Speaker 1: what I see. I don't want to react to two
Speaker 1: NFL starts, but he was really composed against the Saints
Speaker 1: starters in Week seventeen a year ago, I thought added
Speaker 1: value to them. He did his damage against Saints starters,
Speaker 1: and to me, that counts in your first NFL start,
Speaker 1: whether the Saints had something to play for or not.
Speaker 1: And then and then in this start, he added a
Speaker 1: lot to that Panthers offense. I mean the throws he
Speaker 1: made on third and long a couple of times where
Speaker 1: they had a huge blitz. One time it's coming to
Speaker 1: his left, another time it's to his right. Even in
Speaker 1: the first drive, Uh, Chandler Jones is on him immediately
Speaker 1: and what was essentially a busted play, and he was
Speaker 1: composed enough and knew where Greg Olsen was gonna be
Speaker 1: to put it up for greg Olsen to try to
Speaker 1: make a pay. Olsen didn't on that play, but they
Speaker 1: did throughout the game. These were not regular Hey, it's
Speaker 1: your guy and your first start. Let's just count on
Speaker 1: him to get rid of the ball. He did plenty
Speaker 1: of that too. He made terrific plays on the run
Speaker 1: and looked as comfortable in that offense as possible. It
Speaker 1: looked like he had been running it forever, so I
Speaker 1: think he can hold the ford. I want to overreact
Speaker 1: to command. I liked when they were down inside the
Speaker 1: five yard line and Greg Little, the rookie filling in
Speaker 1: a left tackle, had a false start and he Kyle Allen,
Speaker 1: just threw the ball on the ground, disgusted with the
Speaker 1: left tackle. I mean it was like, Okay, what are
Speaker 1: we doing blowing up this chance to score? Um. I
Speaker 1: think the big question with him. The ball placement and
Speaker 1: timing were such a welcome improvement on the injured version
Speaker 1: of Cam from the first two weeks. There was this
Speaker 1: offense was in sync. The question is how does he
Speaker 1: deal with pressure behind an offensive line that has been
Speaker 1: very hit or missed this year and the left tackle
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams, who was injured during last week's game, has
Speaker 1: been a problem this year. Thought they played great in
Speaker 1: that game and he invited pressure a few times, but
Speaker 1: he did really great against pressure when it when it
Speaker 1: did come. I got lucky because I had a great
Speaker 1: draft last week. With the games I drafted and created
Speaker 1: a very uh you know, a Sunday that fit together
Speaker 1: very well, and I got to watch the Cardinals first,
Speaker 1: the Panthers the extended full broadcast versus condensed which now
Speaker 1: chucks in and about fifty eight minutes. But I will
Speaker 1: say this the Kyle Allen, there's the end of the
Speaker 1: spectrum of the quarterback that when he comes over to
Speaker 1: the sideline after a good play or a good driver
Speaker 1: or not, he's kind of one of the dudes and
Speaker 1: the guys around him are magnetized by him. He has that.
Speaker 1: And I thought on the other end, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not a shot anyway, Dan at your Jets, But
Speaker 1: when they put when they did a disservice to put
Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon on Mike for that Monday night game, and
Speaker 1: you got the quotes before the game, He's like, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be good. We're gonna be fine. Everything's okay.
Speaker 1: It was like, that's not working. But Kyle Allen, to me,
Speaker 1: was just one of the guys. Trevor Simeon personal I'm
Speaker 1: pointing out because it comes back into my mind like
Speaker 1: once a day that that was not the way I'd
Speaker 1: want to be as a quarterback. Kyle Allen was just
Speaker 1: one of the dudes. And he feels like totally at
Speaker 1: home in play on field and on the sideline too. Hm,
Speaker 1: I'll throw out Jacoby Brissett as an ultimate right now
Speaker 1: hold the four guy. In fact, I think we use
Speaker 1: that exact language on Sunday when going over their most
Speaker 1: recent win. Uh A game where who they beating again
Speaker 1: on Sunday Falcons. Yes, he completed his first sixteen passes.
Speaker 1: Looks so comfortable in this offense and very rarely does
Speaker 1: you know? All the hype around a player in this
Speaker 1: hype built very quickly immediately after Andrew Luck stunned the
Speaker 1: world with that retirement, um, which just rocked the Patrick
Speaker 1: Claiban barbecue to its core. I mean, just shut the
Speaker 1: whole thing down. I'll never forget that. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: never forget moment, poor Claiban. That's the Pearl Harbor of
Speaker 1: like barbecue things like you know that. That's um, I
Speaker 1: mean it now, you'll remember the barbecue forever though, so
Speaker 1: may I mean you had your three hours fun? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not Port Claibon. It was epic. You're
Speaker 1: just paralleled it to JFK's assassination in Pearl Harbor, not
Speaker 1: in terms of like the the impact it had on
Speaker 1: the nation in the world, but just one of those
Speaker 1: famous flashpoint moments. I know exactly where I was when
Speaker 1: it happened. And now you're thinking about Andrew Luck instead
Speaker 1: of the great shrimp that he had a whole shrimp boil,
Speaker 1: and Claibon probably is annoyed about it because everyone was
Speaker 1: just talking about the Andrew Luck angle and nobody was
Speaker 1: talking about all the trips he made to his boiler
Speaker 1: to cook up a delicious shrimp boil. Jacoby Brissette sixteen
Speaker 1: straight completions to start the game, um shows. Oh my
Speaker 1: point being that very rarely do you get that hype about, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be okay because Jacoby Brissette. He's there, and
Speaker 1: the cults like, oh, we love him, somebody, you know
Speaker 1: how much we of him. We're ripping up his contract,
Speaker 1: We're gonna pay him like a borderline like franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: And it was like, all right, Colts, calmed down a
Speaker 1: little bit here, you don't need to do this right now. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what, he They look very smart right now because
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette is more than a hold the fourth guy.
Speaker 1: He's a potential solution for them going forward. He's just
Speaker 1: twenty six years old, and Um and Greg, I knew
Speaker 1: it was a play call you loved by Frank Reich,
Speaker 1: the UH play action rollout hit Jack Doyle to clinch
Speaker 1: the game on third and four rather than run it,
Speaker 1: run down the clock and try to go up six
Speaker 1: with a field goal and ask your defense to get
Speaker 1: a stop against the Falcons team that couldn't be stopped
Speaker 1: in the second half. That play call is only made
Speaker 1: when a coach trusts his quarterback implicitly not to jack
Speaker 1: it up. And Jacoby Brissett is not jacking it up.
Speaker 1: He's doing the app opposite for the Cults right now,
Speaker 1: the inverse of hold onto your butts is stapility, stability,
Speaker 1: and this Colts organization right now is all about infrastructure.
Speaker 1: They just they're rock solid and stable as it gets
Speaker 1: in that division. And Frank Wright, to me, that's why
Speaker 1: he's a hold the fork guy. He's not a whole
Speaker 1: hold onto your butts because the floor is so much
Speaker 1: higher with Frank Wright calling and designing the place. Yeah
Speaker 1: it it helps, And I think you hit on the
Speaker 1: organization's trust in him. I mean, I think that's the
Speaker 1: way they run their team in general. They bring in
Speaker 1: o'carechy to take over for Darius Leonard last week, and
Speaker 1: you you're stuck with Zach Pascal being like your number
Speaker 1: one receiver at the end of that game. But they
Speaker 1: kind of trust in their coaching, similar to the Patriots
Speaker 1: a little bit that that they're gonna be ready to go,
Speaker 1: and they have a great track record, and that helps Brissette,
Speaker 1: who I thinks looked about as good as I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of his, would have expected, not any better.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think he's wowing anyone, um, but I
Speaker 1: think he's just he's a mid level starter, which is
Speaker 1: not easy to find in the NFL. I like when
Speaker 1: I when they extended him, it didn't throw me, just
Speaker 1: because they seemed to truly believe in the guys they have.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of these teams that throughout these
Speaker 1: self prop up contracts and extensions that we all can
Speaker 1: look at sideways and be like, you drafted this guy
Speaker 1: is not working out, and you want to make it
Speaker 1: look like he's working. Sanchez the Rams before, Sean McVeigh
Speaker 1: did a little bit of that where it was just like,
Speaker 1: look at us, where we're extending our own draft picks,
Speaker 1: even though everyone else feels these guys are so far
Speaker 1: The cults never hit me that way with Sette because
Speaker 1: they've always talked him up West. Keep us rolling, Baby,
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes. Oh, I think I know where this is going.
Speaker 1: The answer to this question means more to the Giants
Speaker 1: than any other team on this list. He's gotta be,
Speaker 1: he's got to be the solution. He's gotta build a fort,
Speaker 1: he's gotta be. He's gotta be. Hold onto your button
Speaker 1: a good way. I'm taking you for a ride. And
Speaker 1: the I think the question for me is how much
Speaker 1: can we really know based on preseason in one start?
Speaker 1: Take Marcus Mariota, for example, who had just as my
Speaker 1: glowing praise written about his first August and then had
Speaker 1: a perfect passer rating and an even better debut than
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes. Happened in Nashville, so you didn't hear about
Speaker 1: it as much. But it's not guaranteed that Danny Dimes
Speaker 1: is gonna go on and be the solution. But I
Speaker 1: think this is the best imaginable start for Giants fans.
Speaker 1: I have, you know, as a New Yorker, I have
Speaker 1: a ton of Giants fans that Uh, you know my
Speaker 1: buddies back home that we text about sports and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and as you might expect, they're on fire right now.
Speaker 1: And my buddy Mark asked, the question is was that
Speaker 1: the greatest debut um by a quarterback of first start
Speaker 1: ever debut? And that's a loaded question. But the first
Speaker 1: game that came to mind for me was r G
Speaker 1: three and two thousand twelve. That to me is always
Speaker 1: going to be like kind of the goat um debut.
Speaker 1: But I was wondering if you guys had any other
Speaker 1: that come to mind that approach or surpass what Uh
Speaker 1: Jones was able to do. I mean, Kyle Allen, if
Speaker 1: if Sunday was his first starts basically pitched the perfect game,
Speaker 1: I think, what what Danton you're referencing specifically, they're also
Speaker 1: kind of the marquis nature of the like sending a
Speaker 1: notice right, And I think r G three that's got
Speaker 1: to be the top of the list. But the juxtaposition
Speaker 1: of how destroyed the Giants were around drafting Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: and everything around everything they did with Eli Manning to
Speaker 1: have his debut shock Giant not about shock but please
Speaker 1: them and please us and change the way we think
Speaker 1: about the Giants in the course of four hours. That's
Speaker 1: about as good of a debut as that front office
Speaker 1: could have ever imagined in their wildest dreams. And a guy,
Speaker 1: and I'll take out the burn book on this, but
Speaker 1: a guy that was completely written off by so many
Speaker 1: people that follow this sport and cover this sport just
Speaker 1: because you didn't like what the GM was doing. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I'm not I'm not selling arrows in this
Speaker 1: room because it was it was a lot of people
Speaker 1: that were doing it. But he was completely disregarded as
Speaker 1: a prospect and a talent because the Draft Knicks didn't
Speaker 1: think he deserves to go number six, and because people
Speaker 1: were annoyed with Dave Gentleman for what was a suspect offseason.
Speaker 1: But this proves why you have to hold your commentary
Speaker 1: until the guy plays, especially if you didn't watch him
Speaker 1: in college, If you draft people weren't watching. You're a
Speaker 1: draft analyst, a draft nick, and you hated Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: is a prospect and he and he works out. You
Speaker 1: just were really wrong on that. And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't kill people for having that opinion, which was I
Speaker 1: think the majority of it was people I thought he
Speaker 1: was overdrafted. Thought he was like a second round you know,
Speaker 1: type of talent who was interesting but couldn't lift up
Speaker 1: a duke team. But you know, sometimes the coaching that
Speaker 1: you get and the poor teammates around you, kind of
Speaker 1: like Marson Wentz was at North Dakota State. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think that the Giants have escaped all criticism because
Speaker 1: of this. It's really nice if this works out for them,
Speaker 1: but they have not done everything perfectly. I think it
Speaker 1: was like a learning lesson potentially for the Twitter mob. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of those that people will have not
Speaker 1: learned from, so it might be the first time they learn.
Speaker 1: But this is a prominent example of why you should
Speaker 1: not uh not a draft pick immediately based on other thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking the player, I'm talking the way that
Speaker 1: Giants have organized themselves over the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: Is a totally separate It was organized, but it it
Speaker 1: raises an interesting question. I mean, we are as aggressively
Speaker 1: wrong about Daniel Jones is I mean about a lot
Speaker 1: of things as people were about Daniel Jones throughout every
Speaker 1: season that we do this show. It's it's sort of
Speaker 1: part I mean, whether you come, you gotta come to
Speaker 1: terms with that or not. But it's just it's true.
Speaker 1: What my point is, it just happened to be and
Speaker 1: everyone wrong. For instance, on a player, Let's say, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I came to mind Adrian Peterson going into
Speaker 1: last season whether he could play anymore, and then you
Speaker 1: know we're writing him off west as he could still play.
Speaker 1: We were wrong, but we were basing that on the
Speaker 1: people that were wrong in this room, what we had
Speaker 1: seen from him, his age, his offensive is in. We're
Speaker 1: basically on knowledge that we had in we just made
Speaker 1: the wrong call. Some of this General Jones Joesph was
Speaker 1: just unfair. I mean, this guy got booed out of
Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium throwing out the first pitch because the media
Speaker 1: and the fans got so worked up with the idea
Speaker 1: that the Giants couldn't get it right, and he just
Speaker 1: got right. The same thing as Warrens, you know, the Jets,
Speaker 1: you know, fans booing Kyle Brady when he was drafted.
Speaker 1: Like it's just in this case, the Giants looked like
Speaker 1: they're going to be right about Kyle Brady. The flip
Speaker 1: side of that Adrian Peterson conversation was that I did
Speaker 1: the same thing with Joe Flacco and was dead wrong
Speaker 1: about him. But I think I'll be so sure. The
Speaker 1: key point is, are you doing your research and put
Speaker 1: it in the effort to have that opinion that it's
Speaker 1: coming from an honest place. And it's hard to it's
Speaker 1: hard to fault people who are doing the work and
Speaker 1: then trusting their eyes, because that's the whole job description.
Speaker 1: If you're an analyst, or if you're anybody who talks
Speaker 1: about the sport, do the work and trust your eye.
Speaker 1: I would, and don't say something phony. I would suggest
Speaker 1: that everyone on Twitter is doing the search and trusting
Speaker 1: their eyes. Yes, all right, Mark, we have a couple more.
Speaker 1: You want to throw another one out there, Well, how
Speaker 1: how does Teddy Bridgewater? Can we can we squeeze him
Speaker 1: into this exercise? My thing with Teddy Bridgewater because I
Speaker 1: think one of the links here is these guys are
Speaker 1: young and their careers ahead of them, and we don't
Speaker 1: have a lot to base anything on with Teddy Bridgewater.
Speaker 1: And you know, Wes, you made the point that you
Speaker 1: feel like he's just not who he was before the injury,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of feels like, how could you say here,
Speaker 1: we're not getting the same player, and so you there's
Speaker 1: total empathy for the journey that he's had to go on,
Speaker 1: and and it's like this player that I totally root for,
Speaker 1: but these other guys that when I watched Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: again today and I watched what he did, like, I
Speaker 1: just don't get it. I remember when I was on
Speaker 1: high school football team and basically just that there stacking numbers,
Speaker 1: get that five ft seven kid out there and put
Speaker 1: him out there for practice. But we had this kid
Speaker 1: come in and play quarterback from another city, and he
Speaker 1: was like a real football player with a bust of
Speaker 1: forget the rest of us, and like from the first
Speaker 1: practice he started to throw the ball, our offense changed,
Speaker 1: and everyone we were like fourteen fifteen years old, we
Speaker 1: all knew that something was different. I just don't feel
Speaker 1: that way about Teddy Bridgewater on any level right now.
Speaker 1: And he's perfectly fine too. I guess hold the fort
Speaker 1: until Breeze gets back, because I don't know what else
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. I would rather see Taysom Hill, though,
Speaker 1: like curiosity is much higher to see the other quarterback
Speaker 1: on the roster. We don't hear game manager in today's
Speaker 1: NFL as much as we did a decade ago. But
Speaker 1: that's what the Saints want Teddy to be is just
Speaker 1: managed the game, don't mess up. Let our offensive playmakers
Speaker 1: do this, let our defense and special teams help and
Speaker 1: hold the fort until Drew brees. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: need to add some elements as this goes forward. How
Speaker 1: it worked out Sunday was perfect. I mean, similar to Rudolph.
Speaker 1: He barely threw the ball past the you know, five
Speaker 1: ten yards. I think there's only two throws over ten
Speaker 1: yards in that game. Then it any. He got the
Speaker 1: job done. He's all. He's a month younger than Brissette.
Speaker 1: He's twenty six years old. So I do think there's
Speaker 1: a chance that Teddy Bridgewater, the story of him coming
Speaker 1: back is is a great story. I mean even if
Speaker 1: he just wins some games and he is a good backup, like,
Speaker 1: that's a great story. Um. But I think there's a
Speaker 1: chance that he has more to do in his career.
Speaker 1: He just hasn't. He hasn't shown it yet in this
Speaker 1: comeback was close this out. Josh Rosen, m hmm, hold
Speaker 1: onto your butts or hold the four. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's a hold onto your buck guy. We don't. We
Speaker 1: don't know what he is because he hasn't played behind
Speaker 1: the real offensive line in the NFL yet. I have
Speaker 1: not been impressed with him. I know Greg has seen
Speaker 1: some throws he really likes. There's been some great throws,
Speaker 1: but it's just wild. It's a wild ride. I can
Speaker 1: envision other quarterbacks in those situations playing better than he has.
Speaker 1: Certainly you could play worse too. I just haven't seen
Speaker 1: enough from Josh Rosan to say, oh, yeah, he's definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be a starter some day. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet with him. No, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, how can you see anything with him? I
Speaker 1: I agree, it's he's so possible. He's titanically screwed. And
Speaker 1: we've talked about this so we don't have to delve
Speaker 1: into it. But he was in an all time crap
Speaker 1: offense last year in Arizona. He gets quit on and
Speaker 1: sent to Miami, who might be the worst team of
Speaker 1: all time, a team that is actively tanking so they
Speaker 1: could pick the guy who would play over Josh Rosen.
Speaker 1: So he has no future in his current location, but
Speaker 1: he's under contract. I don't know what is the best
Speaker 1: case scenario for Josh Rosen. That's somehow he gets out
Speaker 1: of Miami and maybe lands with a team. I don't
Speaker 1: know that in a case Keenom type situation, He's certainly
Speaker 1: not gonna be handed a starting job based on these
Speaker 1: two years. It's his luck. Maybe re emerges as a
Speaker 1: starter a couple of years time, get through the season
Speaker 1: healthy and don't have that tap. I mean, if if
Speaker 1: they drop some of his deeper throws, numbers would look better.
Speaker 1: He's made some great throws and he makes them crazy decision.
Speaker 1: He seems like a little bit right now, too wild
Speaker 1: of a ride to trust as a starting quarterback. But
Speaker 1: he's playing better than Ryan Fitzpatrick played for them. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's unprecedented. He's He's a number ten overall pick who
Speaker 1: has never been given the chance to develop, and maybe
Speaker 1: he never will. He's twenty two, so I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be in the NFL a long time. And
Speaker 1: I think what Mark said is right that he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to fall or get into a better situation, and
Speaker 1: who knows that might be in three years. I don't
Speaker 1: just do we put anything and I we don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know that the one thing that annoyed me more
Speaker 1: than everything else is everyone killing Josh Rosen the person
Speaker 1: when they didn't know him, and so I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that at all. But when I see a
Speaker 1: team totally go one eighty on them after one season
Speaker 1: in one organization and the second organization he's with, despite
Speaker 1: not really having a fair read on him, is heats
Speaker 1: seeking another quarterback. It's suddenly you're on your third team
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know what the personal experience
Speaker 1: of the quarterback behind the scenes is. If you remember
Speaker 1: Charlie Casserley NFL Networks, Owe made a lot of headlines
Speaker 1: over the offseason where he cited a source that said
Speaker 1: that you know he had Rosen had so much work
Speaker 1: to do to be a pro and get to the
Speaker 1: facility earlier. Be that and talking to Charlie when it
Speaker 1: was on our show a couple of weeks ago. Before
Speaker 1: the show, we actually didn't talk about it. But apparently
Speaker 1: those same that same type of heat is still connected
Speaker 1: to him based on the people Charlie Casserle is talking to,
Speaker 1: So that could be it. Maybe maybe part of the
Speaker 1: issue is that he's never gonna be that real grinder
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But my point being, he's just not
Speaker 1: getting a like at this point. You know, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL greats that were not not not
Speaker 1: saying he's going to be an NFL great But I
Speaker 1: guess I'm just leaving room for him to be a
Speaker 1: different person and player when he gets older. At this point,
Speaker 1: like Brett Farve was almost drinking himself out of the league.
Speaker 1: It's totally different that you can see him wind up
Speaker 1: on the Patriots. I know, we don't like to throw
Speaker 1: everyone in New England in a totally just or just
Speaker 1: somewhere filling the blank, totally stable situation, and he urged
Speaker 1: two or three years from now. Is someone that starts
Speaker 1: four teen games and looks totally different. He's undergoing like
Speaker 1: what David Carr went with the Texans when they were
Speaker 1: an expansion team, and then the next year also undergo
Speaker 1: what Tim Couch went through while he was with the
Speaker 1: Browns and an expansion team. You just don't see quarterbacks
Speaker 1: have to do this earlier in their career. All right, um,
Speaker 1: good chat, Let's move on to Thursday Night Football Week
Speaker 1: Fource spinning forward a great game. I don't know, this
Speaker 1: might be a west manor game. I don't know. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. The Philadelphia Eagles and a tough inviters
Speaker 1: out there. You're all welcome to join, including Erica of course,
Speaker 1: that we might need that you might need a little
Speaker 1: kumbay ya. Thank you guys, backyard gathering. I think I'm
Speaker 1: flying back to Boston. My grandma's not doing too well.
Speaker 1: Say hello, um, but thank you for including me. Appreciate
Speaker 1: it well. Best wishes to grandma. Um. The Eagles are
Speaker 1: one and two and just rotten luck. You're one in two.
Speaker 1: You're banged up as all get out. Bringing that back
Speaker 1: to uh and what do you got? You got a
Speaker 1: short week now, and oh you have to go on
Speaker 1: the road and you're against the Green Bay Packers who
Speaker 1: are three and oh and seem to be figuring it
Speaker 1: out on offense. And we know uh gulta cons is
Speaker 1: locked in on defense with m J shoulder shrug. Uh So,
Speaker 1: a very tough game here, Greg for the Eagles who
Speaker 1: are trying to get healthy but now have to face
Speaker 1: a juggernaut outside their building in prime time on a
Speaker 1: short week. Yikes. Got some good news that Alson Jeffrey
Speaker 1: appears to be all systems go to at least try
Speaker 1: to play this game. He was he was at practice
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, so that that's big. We'll see if Dallas
Speaker 1: Goddard's back. They are gonna be without Ronald Darby, who
Speaker 1: was struggling, but sounds like he's gonna be out a
Speaker 1: little while with his injury. So there's they're still very
Speaker 1: banged up. I think it's a winnable game, though, because
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the Packers offense has turned it
Speaker 1: around at all. I haven't seen it. There's no rhythm
Speaker 1: that it's interesting that they've probably had a worse three
Speaker 1: games stretch offensively, if if you if we had research
Speaker 1: do this, and I thought about it, but just felt mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they got a lot to do, then any
Speaker 1: three game stretch of the Mike McCarthy era that Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers started, the same Mike McCarthy people's three years as
Speaker 1: being so behind the curve that they were holding back
Speaker 1: Aaron rod The football is a team game and they
Speaker 1: are winning and I think that matters. And who knows,
Speaker 1: if they were behind in these games, everything could be different.
Speaker 1: But right now most of their plays are off Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers making a just kind of like a great throw,
Speaker 1: or they went tempo a little bit in last game,
Speaker 1: or he's improvising and there's there's you know, they're they're
Speaker 1: twenty nine yards and six points per drive right now.
Speaker 1: I would just say it's the best thing you could
Speaker 1: have imagined that if your offense was gonna need half
Speaker 1: a year to get up to speed. That we're seeing
Speaker 1: a Green Bay Packers defense that we've never been together
Speaker 1: and watched them play this way, where Mike Petton and
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore are going week to week in the battle
Speaker 1: for assistant Coach of the Year. I mean, Mike in
Speaker 1: his real just gotten the lame by Daniel Jones. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like, can we save the m v P
Speaker 1: articles for a little later. This is the real race.
Speaker 1: But they and I guess if you're Aaron Rodgers, he
Speaker 1: glowed about the way the offensive line kept him safe
Speaker 1: last week against the Broncos team where you could have
Speaker 1: thought you're gonna get whacked five or six times those sacks.
Speaker 1: And the Broncos have their own issues on defense, but
Speaker 1: the Eagles did in sack car or Matthew Stafford last week.
Speaker 1: Either are they're banged up on defense? One of my
Speaker 1: new Monday routines after I read Greg's debrief article. Mike
Speaker 1: Sando of The Athletic has a nice weekly article when
Speaker 1: he pointed out this week the Packers have already held
Speaker 1: more opponents under seventeen points in the first three games
Speaker 1: than they did all of last year and all of
Speaker 1: the year before. UM teams win eighty seven per cent
Speaker 1: at the time over the past decade when their opponents
Speaker 1: failed to reach seventeen points. If you can do that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna win. And so far the Packer are that
Speaker 1: defense run defense, Uh, for the Packers hasn't been great.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been exposed too much because I mean it
Speaker 1: hasn't hurt them that much. They've given up big numbers.
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe Eagles can try to get something going.
Speaker 1: They haven't looked too great on the ground. Miles Sanders
Speaker 1: made some big plays last week, but also made uh,
Speaker 1: you know, some big mistakes. But this is a situation
Speaker 1: the Packers defense where I think the dbs are making
Speaker 1: the pass rush look better. They're covering so well that
Speaker 1: they're letting that wild man that Areas Smith is winning
Speaker 1: wild Man of the Year. Well that's that's an award.
Speaker 1: But give it to him. He's wild, he's crazy. He
Speaker 1: he was named the captain, and you know, within weeks
Speaker 1: of joining that team, and you could just him and
Speaker 1: Savage are tone setters. You bring those two guys in
Speaker 1: and it's just like the whole defense are a bunch
Speaker 1: of dogs. The only thing that's about the Eagles is
Speaker 1: it's I get it there one and two and they
Speaker 1: people are their their hairs on fire over what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen to the team. But it's like they are one
Speaker 1: catch away Hail Mary last week on the two or
Speaker 1: three yard line and say that J j R. Segal
Speaker 1: white Side Artego Whiteside flips around and rolls into the
Speaker 1: end zone. They are the magical team from last week,
Speaker 1: and they in the week before Zach Er it's a
Speaker 1: yard shy of converting and then potentially winning that game too.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's don't forget what that Nelson Aglar drop.
Speaker 1: They had a lot of weird stuff happening, like the
Speaker 1: Eagles fans for booing them at home last week. I
Speaker 1: get it, it's been a rough start, but I don't
Speaker 1: worry about a one in two Eagles team. I don't,
Speaker 1: not yet. Artego Whiteside though, is kind of I mean
Speaker 1: their receivers have hurt them. He's played a hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty two snaps. He has seven targets to catches fourteen yards.
Speaker 1: That is a sinkhole. Well, they had five drops last week.
Speaker 1: No teams had more than five in the game. I
Speaker 1: mean Wentz was not helped alright, power Rank, it's a
Speaker 1: tough game to pick. Power rank. Your Monday Morning Reads, uh,
Speaker 1: Sando Rosenthal, Peter King, Barnwell, Well, I'm really Monday at
Speaker 1: late afternoon of just telling you that truth. Monday Reads
Speaker 1: Greg is my favorite of those articles. Also person uh,
Speaker 1: Gregumber one, Albert Brier number by that by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't even buy it. Greg's Greg does a better
Speaker 1: job of recapping what's going on the field than any
Speaker 1: of these guys who also mix in off the field stuff.
Speaker 1: Brier number two for me, I really he concentrates a
Speaker 1: lot on what's going on on the field. Peter Peter
Speaker 1: King is last because when I read him, I read
Speaker 1: everyone else in his tone of voice, and I'll be
Speaker 1: stuck halfway through a Brier article and I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 1: reading King again. That's kind of a compliment to King.
Speaker 1: I mean Kings the goat of Monday morning. Monday morning courter,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm Monday later after football. Mind for that
Speaker 1: long I read Peter King for his reporting, not his analysis.
Speaker 1: All right, well, now all we have left of Sando
Speaker 1: and Barnwell fill this out. I like reading barn Are
Speaker 1: we going so long on this show to look at this?
Speaker 1: I like reading Barnwell. I think Mike tin Here is
Speaker 1: in there. Some mondays here, Mike tin here here, Yes,
Speaker 1: t A and I Monday is probably my biggest reading day.
Speaker 1: Good makes sense? Well. They also the one fact we
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned even is uh the emergence of Jamal Williams
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers as a veritable personality in this NFL.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Yeah, I feel like a mermaid and
Speaker 1: everybody else like dogs swimming, you know what means. I'll
Speaker 1: be feeling like I'm just fooling out there. So I
Speaker 1: think it's the rain. I feel like smart bomb. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, but I like it.
Speaker 1: How many other teams have mermaids. It's like he's been
Speaker 1: as manner for a couple of hours. He was talking
Speaker 1: about playing in the rain. He's a mermaid, there was,
Speaker 1: He said, Mermaide, it's good. I thought you should check
Speaker 1: out the video of that quarter. You can find it
Speaker 1: on Twitter. It's it's pretty interesting. Um. All right, we'll
Speaker 1: be back on Thursday with our Week four preview episode,
Speaker 1: and then later Thursday or Thursday Night Football Recap mini pod,
Speaker 1: and then Sunday the Flagship Show recapping all the Sunday
Speaker 1: games of week. So that's what it's all about. That's
Speaker 1: the total layout. All right, Greg, we're gonna on the
Speaker 1: show now. Yeah, having a nice time talking to our friends,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to shut the show down. I'm just
Speaker 1: noticing that it has a Frandy on Tuesday or the
Speaker 1: mail man, the boss. You're making that rank. You go, well,
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