1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: It could happen here. It's it's it could happen here. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: It's the podcast that's happening right now. Um yeah, it's 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: it's about things that you know about. It's there are 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: our third and final episode about the Brazilian elections. It's me, Chris, 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: It's it's I'm here with James Stout. Hello, Hi Chris. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: So we have we have an update on on this situation, 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: which is that j R. Bosonaro Okay, he's still he's still. 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't think has publicly announced defeats, but he apparently 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: told the Supreme Court quote it's over. So he seems 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: to have committed defeat, which has not stopped a bunch 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: of his followers from calling for a military coup. Yeah. People, 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: I still seem to be blocking roads, right, Yeah, it's happening. 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I yeah, it's it's it's sort of 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: uncleared in me to what extent his followers are going 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: to back down. I don't think there's really much chance 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: for a military coup at this point, Like they seem 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: to have just lost. I read something earlier about Bulsonaro 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: making plans to like so it's like there's like a 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: like a sash thing you're supposed to hand over to 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: the next president, and he was making plans to not 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: be in the country when Lula took office. I was 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: gonna have his vice president handed over instead, which is 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: like this is like the most whiney baby ship I've 24 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: ever seen, which is like, God, what a loser. Holy fuck, 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: Like first as as tragedy, and then as fast and 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: then as fast, yeah, and continually as fast like that 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: that's how the right operates, right, Yeah. I actually almost 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: had that, Like I I actually almost started the Lula 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: episode with that quote, and then I was like, well 30 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: his return. I was like that, that's that's too mean 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: to say about Lula, Like it hasn't been first yet, 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: Like yeah, but Bulsonaro is so boy, Yeah, he's going 33 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: to go and spend more time with the novel Coronavirus. Yeah, 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: it's withdrawing from politics, you know. I heard that. There's 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: a great line in one of the things I was 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: talking about that Milton's in the fog piece from illabow 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: yesterday where they they talked about like I meet their 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: exact quote it was something like but Boston, it wasn't 39 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: It's not just that Bolsonaro failed the like failed to 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: respond to coronavirus, is that he was a vector for 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: the for coronavirus. And I was like, yeah, this is 42 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: this is both literally and metaphorically true, Like several of 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: the outbreaks are just from Bolsonaro. Absolutely amazing. Yeah, real, 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: real piece of shit. Um yeah yeah, So today we're 45 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: gonna talking about the very specific so we we we've 46 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: been last episode talking about sort of like the the 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: enormous army of grave diggers that the PT had sort 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: of built around them, and this episode is going to 49 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: be about like how their grave was actually sort of 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: built and then filled in. Um so I talked about 51 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: in episode one. Um there was in twous five. I 52 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: think I might have actually accidentally said us six in 53 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: the original episode, but it dealsn't five. There's just a 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: giant corruption scandal involving the Workers Party that like shakes 55 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: all up Brazil. And basically, the the short version of 56 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: it is that a bunch of senior members of the 57 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: PET were accused of bribing members of the Central sent Throw, 58 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: who is like Brazil sort of like perennial elite corruption faction, 59 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: to like buy their votes to get bills passed, which 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: honestly like I'm okay with this, like that we're gonna 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: talk about some corruption later that like does suck. Uh, 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: This I think is fine, Like I'm I am, I 63 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: am okay, Like I I'm gonna put this on the 64 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: record at me, Christopher Wong, I am okay with literally 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: just buying the votes of like weird corrupt right wingers 66 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: to get them to vote for legislation that's actually good. 67 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: Like whatever, I don't care about this, like this is bullshit, 68 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: Like who cares um? But that that said, I okay, 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: So this entire episode, like well, ok at the first 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: like three quarters episode, this is this is this episode 71 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: is like a lot about corruption, and before we need 72 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: to go any further, like we need to talk about 73 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: like what corruption actually is and about the politics of it. 74 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: So okay, I want to say this as someone who 75 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: lives in Okay, So I think most our listeners understand 76 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: that Chicago is notoriously corrupt. I didn't grew up in Chicago. 77 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: I grew up in Chicago's even more corrupt suburbs. Like 78 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: I literally watched a mayor sell physically sell city Hall 79 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: to the highest bidder, Like she actually literally physically sold 80 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: city Hall Like this this is the kind of ship 81 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: you get out in the suburbs, Like it is fucking 82 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 1: mind boggling, right, like that that that that that wasn't 83 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: my town, but like I have seen some ship, right, 84 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: And Okay. The thing, the thing I can say about 85 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: government corruption is that there are two kinds of people 86 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: in the world. There are people like Chicagoans who understand 87 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: that every single politician, no matter, like every single politician whatsoever, 88 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: is going to rob you blind because they're all corrupt. 89 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a sort of like a more 90 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: analytical culinary to this, which is that, like corruption, corruption 91 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: is just a structural tendency of the state, right. It's 92 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: it's a product of state officials like having access to 93 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: the state's enormous supply of resources. It's a product of 94 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: the kind of structural incentives that like being in a 95 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: state produces. And it's a it's a product of the 96 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 1: fact of the state, you know, acquires resources through violence. 97 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: And you know, Okay, so there's people who understand this 98 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: on various levels, right, Like I mean, this is genuinely 99 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: the thing about scocos, Like everyone gets it, Like you 100 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: don't have to convince people. And then there's a bunch 101 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: of people, like like the other category of people are 102 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: people who genuinely think that like politics is about people 103 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: debating political principles and that like if we just make 104 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: slightly better arguments and like have slightly better land use policies, 105 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: and politicians who literally spends all day taking bribes and 106 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: develop brutual like somehow end homelessness or something that like 107 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: somehow like like like corruption is a matter of political principles, 108 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: Like no, no, they're all that they're all doing this 109 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: to you, Like you guys, you kind of understand of this. Yeah, 110 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: It's it's very funny, and it's like we don't get 111 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 1: enough credit for ourruption san Diego for like right, yeah, 112 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: and run by the Sea as San Diego. But it's 113 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: very funny to see people being like, oh, there can't 114 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: be corruption because identity politics this or because not Donald Trump. 115 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: Right then, like this is the nature of the state, 116 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: especially the state under capitalism, especially state under capitalism in 117 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: the United States, is that like you don't get funk 118 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: all unless you pay for it. Yeah, although I will 119 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: say this corruption is a policy of the state is 120 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: essentially trans ideological, like the reddest communist, brown is fascist 121 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: and the most bleeding heart red, white and blue capitalists 122 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: all take bribes, they all give contracts to the family, 123 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: and they all steal money from the government. Like you 124 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: can tell this by the fact that the US is 125 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: literally like, the US just made it legal to give 126 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: like they made it legal for a corporation to give 127 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: money to a candidate in order to have the vote 128 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: a certain way. This is legal. Nazi Germany corrupt a ship. 129 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: The USS are famously insanely corrupt like this. This is 130 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: not this is not actually a productive ideology. It's it's 131 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just it's just a sort of structural 132 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: like tendency of the state. And it doesn't meant like 133 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: the military kiaderships are corrupt like the fun like the 134 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: like the parliamentric democracies are corrupted, like this is this 135 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: is just this is just like how the state works, 136 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: right um and and the like. So political corruption genuinely 137 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: isn't that interesting, right, like the actual politics of it, 138 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: Like it's not that interesting, Like it's just people just corrupt, right, 139 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: What is interesting is anti corruption politics. And we need 140 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: to get this out of the way immediately. It is 141 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: simultaneously true that like almost no one openly supports corruption 142 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: like it's it's it's it's like almost impossible to find 143 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: anyone who will come out on the record and say 144 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: their pro corruption, like like you can't do it right 145 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: And it's and it's also true that like every single 146 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: one of these people on the across the entire political 147 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: spect is corrupt and you know, and and and the 148 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: you know and no, no politician is actually anti corruption. 149 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: This this is something that's very very important to understand. 150 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: None of these people are sucking anti corruption. This. This 151 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: is sort of this is one of the lessons of Chicago, 152 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: which is that all of the sort of anti corruption 153 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: crusaders are like just as corrupt as people they're replacing. 154 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: But this is part of the way, Like uh, and 155 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: I want to go extreme marcusa but like the like 156 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: this idea, this false choice, right, the corruption and in 157 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: itself creates a means for another person who is equally 158 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: corrupt to enter simply by claiming to be anti corrupt, right, 159 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: like and then this weekend just kind of continually one 160 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: up each other and claiming to be different and doing 161 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: the same ship and people will embrace his fucking false choice. Yeah, 162 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: and you know, we're gonna see this in this story 163 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: later on, I will give you a preview of where 164 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: this is going. So Sergio Morrow, who is this judge? 165 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: He was like Brazil's like great anti corruption crusader, uh, 166 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: turns out to have been funding is quote unquote anti 167 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: corruption investigations by selling illegally selling information to the FBI 168 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: and then getting paid and find and uh find money 169 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: collected by the have some successful corruption prosecutions. She also 170 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: is going to like very blatantly and pretty openly take 171 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: a job as the as Brazil's justice minister in exchange 172 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: for putting Boston's political opponents in prison. Magnificent. Okay, yeah, 173 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: and and you know, so okay, what's the thing that's 174 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: important about this, right is that anti corruption is not 175 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: a real politics, right, Like it's not it's not an 176 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: actual real sense of political political positions. Right. What it 177 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: is is the set of politics ukn roubs with. But 178 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: it turns out is really really good at conning rooms 179 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: because people really fucking hate corruption. And and that the thing, 180 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: the thing, the thing that being like an an anti 181 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: corruption quote unquote candidate does is it lets anyone like 182 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: appear to be the sort of like populous champion of 183 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: the people against the corrupt elite. And this is really 184 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: useful to the right into sort of not just so 185 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: the rime, it's really useful to sort of like bourgeois 186 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: like capitalist politicians in general, because there are a lot 187 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: of times where in order to sort of protect their interests, 188 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, or protect the interests of like their specific 189 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: faction of the ruling class, they need to win an election, 190 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: and they need to win the sort of hearts of 191 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: minds of the people who see that the world sucks 192 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: and like reflectively hate quote unquote the establishment because they 193 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: know they're getting screwed. And the easiest way to sort 194 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: of con these people is to take up the politics 195 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: of anti corruption. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's 196 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: like the absolute picture perfect neoliberal politics, right, Like Rudy Giuliani, 197 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: for example, Um, god is start going after the mob 198 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: in New York and you know, and what what heither, 199 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: right really because he goes off to the mob because 200 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: the anti coruption guy, and then he replaces them with 201 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: like even more efficient and extractive neoliberal bureaucratic parasites. Yeah, 202 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: and it's perfect, Like, yeah, in terms of near liberalism 203 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: right in terms of completely avoiding a class analysis, because 204 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: you can you can appeal to people who are genuinely 205 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: oppressed and marginalized by the system, right by saying, I'll 206 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: go against this corrupt system which is oppressing in Mogetizes 207 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: and you, but also to the boigeoisie, cause you can say, oh, 208 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: the reason you're fucking business is not a successful he 209 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: doesn't wanted his corruption, so just vote for me and 210 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: we'll sort that out, and you can continue explaining the 211 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: workers who I'm also appealing to. Yeah, and and you know, 212 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: like Giuliani specifically, like he is his name is just 213 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: literally a punchline now, right, like it's it's not it's 214 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: not even worth talking about him fucking like chomping on 215 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: a cigar doing an ad for a cigard company the 216 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: middle melody, right like like but but but you know 217 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: they're selling flip flops now, isn't that something like that? 218 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: But but that's the thing, Like the anti corruption stuff 219 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: was really really good for his career. And you know, 220 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: this is the poll does anti corruption is the politics 221 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: at the Brazilian right finally figures out as like the 222 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: only thing that goes out the Workers Party drug or 223 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: not now Like in and five, the corruption case brings 224 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: down a whole bunch of sort of like high profile 225 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: PT party members, but it doesn't touch Lula himself, who 226 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: is like he has this rep like he basically similar 227 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: to Reagan, is just like the teflon president. Everything just 228 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: bounce off of him. But you know, the rights and 229 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: five really thinks that they've got him, and they're like, Okay, 230 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: we're to crush him this next election, everything's gonna go 231 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: back to normal. And then you know, and it is 232 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: true that from two compared to two thousand two, Lula 233 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: does have less support than two six. He goes from 234 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: of the vote to a whopping sixty percent of the vote. Yea, 235 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: So okay, so this didn't work right, But the right 236 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: still sees it like this is the only thing they've 237 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: been able to come up with. It like actually damages 238 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: the PT at all. And and and she's also fourteen a 239 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: judge named Sergio Morrow, who have we've our Morrow? Who 240 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: again we have given you the spoiler This is like, 241 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: this is one of the most corrupt dudes, and like 242 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: the history of Brazilian politics. But he he goes after 243 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: he finds like a different corruption ring to go after 244 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: that he's not a part of. And and I think 245 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: it's it's important to understand sort of from the outside 246 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: of this, right that like this anti corruption stuff is 247 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: essentially like a newer faction or like a slightly different 248 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: faction of the Brazilian ruling class going after another faction 249 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: of the Brazilian ruling class. So he finds he's this 250 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: thing that that becomes known as Lava Jatto or Operation 251 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: car Wash UM. And what moral is going after is 252 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: this legitimately genuinely enormous corruption rings surrounding Petro Boss, which 253 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: is brazil state owned oil company UM. And the investigation 254 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: leads to the arrests of an enormous number of government officials. 255 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Like there's like some of the richest people in Brazil 256 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: go to jail, like and it is true that like, 257 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: like there is an enormous amount of corupt like there 258 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: are billions and billions of dollars that are that are 259 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: being sort of stolen from the oil company right through 260 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: sort of like contracts and like payoffs and stuff. UM. 261 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: But we also get to some real like lepers eating 262 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: people's faces party ship here as well. Where Okay, so 263 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: it has in thirteen deal with russef signs a law 264 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: that massively expands police powers that includes, in particular, allowing 265 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: them with no strings attached, to offer plea bargains of 266 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: people to get there, they confess the stuff and like 267 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: give the cops information they want to hear, which is, 268 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: like Jenny Winely, really unethical because for a lot of reasons, right, 269 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: like the whole plea burgaining system is like the reason 270 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: like one of the reasons the whole U S just 271 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: system is completely sucked up because everyone just fucking please 272 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: out instead of going to trial because they know they 273 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: know they're like every everyone is pretty sure they're gonna lose, 274 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: and so people, you know, people will just pleading ship 275 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: they didn't do because they have no chance of winning 276 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: the case. It's completely fucked up. And Russo's like, nah, yeah, 277 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: fuck it, like we're gonna sign this, like you know, 278 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: And I like, I get that, like she she was 279 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: responding to like the protests, and I get that she 280 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: thought it would mostly be used against like fucking protesters 281 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: or some ship, But like, who did you think this 282 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: was going to be used against? Yet? Why come on, 283 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: like seriously, just it's like it is simultaneously true that 284 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: there was like an incredibly coordinated, sophisticated like like a 285 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: joint American Brazilian like intelligence and like justice state operation 286 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,239 Speaker 1: to bring down the PT. It's also true that the PT, 287 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: like like the reason they were able to be decapped 288 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: so like so easily is that like they'd spent the 289 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: last like six years like firing rounds over and over 290 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: again into their own knees. So like, Okay, these things 291 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: are both through at the same time. But okay, and 292 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: so the loveto like eviscerates an enormous part of the 293 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: sort of a section of the Brazilian ruling class. But 294 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: it very quickly becomes clear that it's being used as 295 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: a political weapon against Muse and the PT, despite the 296 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: fact that like literally every Brazilian Paul like party is 297 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: involved with this. Like I think the pso L might 298 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: be like the only major Blizilian political party who wasn't 299 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: involved in this, and like that's because I don't think 300 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: they had anyone who was senior enough to do it, 301 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: so like you know, but but but you know, everyone 302 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: instead like just is using this to go is like 303 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: very clearly using this to go off to the PT. 304 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: The problem is that like and this is this is 305 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a perennial problem with these investigations is that 306 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: they can't actually directly dale Delma Russof or Lula with 307 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: doing anything that they have real problems with this. Um. 308 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: You know, Delma wins re election to US in fourteen, 309 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: but he also fifteen there are these as Lava was 310 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: like going and there's this enormous fucking press fury around it. Um, 311 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: there are these massive sort of anti corruption protests demanding 312 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: that like she resigned. That's ripped up by like again 313 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: like the right wing media goes just completely batshit in 314 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: this period. Um, and you know, okay, so again morals 315 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: running into this problem that he can't find anything that 316 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: Dylan Russof did that was illegal, so he starts relying 317 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: on political theater instead. He and and uh, he starts 318 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: stages these this like enormous series of raids on like 319 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: Lula's house as nonprofit, like he's like like his brother's business, 320 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: and you know, with the entire press court like they're 321 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: right like with other stage for all these raids, they 322 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: d agg him off to like jail for questioning. But again, 323 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: like they don't really have anything they kind of like 324 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: invent this case, but Lula based on some convoluted shit 325 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: about a property that he didn't own. It's like, you know, 326 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: the the thing here basically is that, like as with 327 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: all crocer scandals, right, this is this is a fight 328 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: between parts of the ruling class. Right, Like the actual 329 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: details of who's taking money from who are essentially irrelevant 330 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: because that's not what actually matters, right, What matters here 331 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: is that like the sort of rooting prosecutors have decided 332 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: they're going to destroy the PT, and you know they're 333 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: the PT has helped them do it at every step. Um, 334 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: It's not just the prosecutors right there. It's like there's 335 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: there's like press plus prosecutors plus plus a bunch of 336 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: political parties too. It's so not to draw a comparison 337 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: where it's not necessarily entirely valid, but like, look at 338 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, right, we have Boris Johnson like monumentally 339 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: fucking up the COVID response, tons of people die, and 340 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: it's not that that brings him down. It's that he 341 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: had a suitcase of wine in a carrier a key 342 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: party like because at some point, but it's the appearance, right, 343 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: It's this political theater of accountability, like, but you're not 344 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: actually accountable to the people who you let down on 345 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: the people who you lied to your accountable to, like 346 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: seventeen media editors Murdoch, right, and every brazil has its 347 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: own versions of Murdoch who are like it's yeah, I 348 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: can only imagine like people people to who if I 349 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: if I said my actual opinions on them, like the 350 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: the FCC would specifically start regulating podcasts because like, oh boy, 351 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: all these people should redacted parody, etcetera, etcetera. Have like 352 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: a five minute bleep here Christmas. So okay, but but 353 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: again so okay. They have this problem again which they 354 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: can't really get del Maroussa for anything, and so what 355 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: happens instead is that the Brazilian Senate is sort of 356 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: like scrambling for something they can use and what they 357 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: eventually impeached Delmi to for is this like accounting procedure 358 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: thing basically that like everyone does. And when I say 359 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: everyone does, like almost every previous president like every every 360 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: like every single like like uh what's it called? Like 361 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: every single like uh, why am I blanking? Governor? Is 362 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: at the right word? Yeah, Like the people who are 363 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: like the heads of states. Yeah, I think like all 364 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: the governors do this, like fucking literally everyone in Brazilian 365 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: politics does is, including some of the people who are 366 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: signing like the fucking i uh impeachment thing. But they 367 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: remove her from this and okay, so like a part 368 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: of the like the sort of sort of like like 369 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: decrepit and despise neoliberal right takes power. But the normal 370 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: part thing here is that she's Dylar Russaf is impeached 371 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: by her own allies, right, she is impeached like Michael Timer, 372 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: the guy who replaces Russaf like winds up as presidents 373 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: because dil maroussof bade him her VP. Like it's just 374 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: like you know, and this this is this is dating 375 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: back to like this this is like really old sort 376 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: of pet political maniver stuff dating back to like Lula 377 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: finally winning out over the sort of pt basis in 378 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: two thousand two, right, where he's able to convince them 379 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: to like have a sort of like conservative guy like 380 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: be his running mate. And here this this is this 381 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: is where this finally goes to ship because the pt 382 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: IS making alliances were sort of like set the right 383 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: parties and all these corruption parties and it's like, okay, 384 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: you allied yourself, Like I understand the reason they were 385 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: doing this was that the sort of central which is 386 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: like the sort of corruption parties have enough votes that 387 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: you kind of have to work with them. But also like, 388 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: what did you expect was gonna happen? Like did you 389 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: did you really not expect that the leverage We're going 390 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: to eat your face? Like okay, it's you know, like 391 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: it's really like okay, like you let a mosquito into 392 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: your house and you are now like fun Pikachu facing 393 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: because they because the mosquito bait you. It's like really 394 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: like you know, and this all comes back to sort 395 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: of like the things I've been talking about in last 396 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: two episodes about like the inherent contradiction of being a 397 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: leftist and happy to having to keep the state and 398 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: having to run a state. We have to keep the 399 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: economy going, right, which again it means that you have 400 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: to make sure that capitalists get money. And Lulu could 401 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: just pay these people off like literally or figuratively, because 402 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: he was he's benefiting from the commodity boom, right, But 403 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: then when the Chinese economy goes under and suddenly the 404 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: money dries up because the quality boom is over and 405 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: the Brazilian economy starts to collapse, like you know, there 406 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: there's nothing to pay off the boorgeoisie with and you know, deliverselves, 407 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: like she's trying to pay them off, but you know, 408 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: in order to fund it. Now, now she's doing austerity 409 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: and that's sapping her and that's sapping her base because 410 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: you know, okay, you have to choose one or the other. 411 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: But she's not. But again, but she's also not able 412 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: to pay off enough of the bores you to stop 413 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: this from coming, and so they off her and you know, okay, 414 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: So the PT peach supporters will describe what happens like 415 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: that this impeachment as a coup, which is like true, 416 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: like as far as it goes like it is true 417 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: that like a bunch of absolute like psychopaths, like just 418 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: like overthrew the democratically elected president on for bullshit. Um. 419 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: I actually think it's less of a coup than the 420 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: next the next thing we're gonna get to. Um. But yeah, 421 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: so okay, so the product of this is that Michael Timer, 422 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: who was it like just an unfathomable neoliberal goool, like 423 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: I really like, oh god, like it's really one of 424 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: the worst people ever. Um who again rusself picked us 425 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: her VP, becomes President Intel spent the next two years 426 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: like so if Draco Malfoy grew up, this is what 427 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: he would look like. Yeah, no, it's it's it's really incredible. 428 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: Yeah you you you you do owe it to yourself 429 00:22:53,440 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: to look up. Yeah, it's manage Yeah, very streamlined, but otherwise, yeah, remarkable. 430 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: He just like he just looks like like exactly who 431 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, yeah, I cannot believe this guy succeeded 432 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: in politics when he looks like, yeah, an evil snake. Yeah. 433 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: I think he also got arrested for being even more 434 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: like Okay, so like like there is corruption going on 435 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: in the PT timer is the corruption party, right, Like 436 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: he actually goes down eventually. He is like unfathomably corrupt. 437 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Like he goes down for like he took like it's 438 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: a bribe from a meat packer, right guy, Yeah, that 439 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: was one of these he funneled like a hundred and 440 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: eighty million dollars into like his politically like into like 441 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: his friends, and it's like unfat like okay, and this 442 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: stuff genuinely sucks, right, like it actually does suck that 443 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: literally hundreds of millions of dollars are being just like 444 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: fucking stolen by these ghouls, right, um, yeah, especially in 445 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: a country where like people genuinely struggled to get by 446 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: every single Yeah, and and and and I think it's 447 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: worth mentioning, like, like the level of poverty that we're 448 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: talking about here is like like again, like people who 449 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: don't have running water, people who live in deserts and 450 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: like don't have water at all, Like it is really 451 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: really bad. And you and and then you know, you're 452 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: you're you are watching just this bullshit happening, right like 453 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: this fucking like guy who God, just this is like 454 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: absolute fucking demon just stealing a hundred, like fifty billion dollars, 455 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: right Yeah, it's just like rich people playing monopoly with 456 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: your fucking future and your children's future. Yeah, but you know, 457 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: but but again, like tver, nobody, nobody fucking voted for 458 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: this guy, right like, and he's just immediately starts implementing 459 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: unfathomable atrocious austerity, and he like he has a seven 460 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: percent of rating. Everyone is called this is this is 461 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: the second lowest is the second lowest group of ready 462 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: I've ever seen for for a ruling politician. After Kim 463 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: Jung Pill, who I think got down to three percent 464 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: one day, I'm going to do an actual Kim junk 465 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: Pill episode. I feel like if you're within the error 466 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: margin of any polling, once you get into the single digits, 467 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: no one like you, like literally, like like remember like 468 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: people like people from his own party want him to resign, right, 469 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: and he just doesn't ges days in power because there's 470 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: no one, no one can do anything about it. Because 471 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: but you always get that right when you when you 472 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: engage in this politics of corruption, the like sort of 473 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: palace coups and internicing backstabbing will necessarily happen because like 474 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: that is how you further your own career and therefore 475 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: benefit more from the corruption. Right Like again, see the 476 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: cluster funck that is the United Kingdom. Now do you 477 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: know who else doesn't benefit from corruption? Like the rest? 478 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: I don't think we can say that with any degree 479 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: of certain decres. It's it's the products and services that 480 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: support this podcast. Okay, and and we're back, um and Okay, 481 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: this I think is a good at a time as 482 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: any to mention that, like, okay, so Lava Jotto is 483 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: going on this entire time. Right, this this thing is 484 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: going on for years and years and years and years, 485 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: and it's reiterating that Lava Jotto is being illegally backed 486 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: by the American just Department, Justice Department, the SEC, the 487 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: FBI probably all I think also the CIA, although weirdly 488 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: this is okay, And and this is where things get 489 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: very strange because this, like from the documents that we've seen, 490 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: there is some evidence the CIA handed them ship. The 491 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: thing we have the most events for is actually the 492 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: FBI running this coup. Weird, Yeah, it's very weird. What 493 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: was happening basically is that Okay, So, the way American 494 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: corruption laws work is that like if any money passes 495 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: through like an American bank account, the FBI has the 496 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: authority to go after them. And the FBI and the 497 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: Justice Department fucking hate the PT and they're they're they're 498 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: looking at Petro Boss and they're going like, this is 499 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: so much fucking money we can get if we go 500 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: after these people, and also we hate them, and and 501 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: it's also worth nothing. Okay, So, uh, Sergio Morrow is 502 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: like he's a Harvard guy, right, He's a Harvard guy. 503 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: He was trained by like a bunch of American police 504 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: people like he he is, like he's like one of 505 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: these sort of like he's he's a Nazi cool basically, right, 506 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: but like he's like the the law version of a 507 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: nax at cool and so the the entire like and 508 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: again it's it's funny like the FBI in theory is 509 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: not supposed to be Like the FBI is supposed to 510 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: be a domestic agency, which does not make them any better, 511 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: by the way, but like they're they're not supposed to 512 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: be going after like they're not supposed to be fined 513 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: overthrow the president of Brazil, but you know they are. 514 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: And again, like they are taking down the black panthers, 515 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: increasing anti Semitism, just the normal standard domestic Yeah, shooting anarchists, 516 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: shooting like possibly assassinating m ok um, Yeah yeah, that's 517 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: from them. Yeah. Not they're not supposed to be be doing 518 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: the four in trees, that's the CIA job. But they're 519 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: they're muscling into the CIA's territory here. Um. It's it's 520 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning as well that like the Obama administration 521 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: is heavily involved in this, right, Um. And you know 522 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: it turns out that by the time you get to 523 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: sixteen Trump ministrate tries amte trumsministrations of power. They love 524 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: this ship because it's Trump. It's like wow, damn who 525 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: could have guessed? Yeah that is wow. Yeah yeah and 526 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: and as and this is gonna come out, It's gonna 527 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: come out later. Um by this okay, this is the 528 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: second time that Glenn Greenwald is just handed like one 529 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: of the biggest news stories of the decade, like literally 530 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: dropped on his lap and he gets to like right 531 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: about it is that Yeah, it comes out that like 532 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: this stuff is being politically like very obviously politically motivated. 533 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: Like sorry, Morrow's like openly cutting deals with Bolsonaro to 534 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: the political persecutions. Uh there's again again, the stuff about 535 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: how he's being paid by He's literally getting like the 536 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: task Force is being funded by the FBI through these 537 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: slush funds of of find money collected from Petro boss. 538 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: Like it's unbelievably shady shit. Um. Now the entire time 539 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: this is going on, Serge to Morrow has been like 540 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: illegally wire tapping Lula's conversations and leaking them to the 541 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: press to like destroy Lura and politically it's and you 542 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: know and like like operation car Washed, like prosecutors are 543 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: just like going on TV and telling the entire Brazilian 544 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: public like, no, Lula is guilty, there's no doubt about it. 545 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: And then and she wasn't. Seventeen Morrow has Lula convicted. 546 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: Now Lula appeals as on the grounds that like this 547 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: is incredibly obviously a show trial. Like but by the 548 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of you will read a lot 549 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: of like like the sort of liberal press in the 550 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: US like fucking loves this ship and like he doesn't 551 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: fourteen doesn't he's on sixtees somebody seventeen but like but 552 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: she doesn't seventeen. Even the sort of American liberal press 553 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: is like, hey, you're running these trials too fast, Like 554 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: these don't look like real trials anymore. Like he's like 555 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: there there's there's like it really is like they stopped 556 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: having even the pretense that it's not being show trials 557 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: are just like convicting people, convicting people, convicting people, convincing people, 558 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: and like you know, in the Luta case, there's some 559 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: interesting stuff, which is that like, Okay, Morow doesn't have 560 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: the legal jurisdiction to prosecute Lula here, like the crimes 561 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: that were supposedly committed, aren't committed in a place where 562 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: where Barrow has any jurisdiction at all, Like it's another 563 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: state and he just doesn't anyways because he's just like 564 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: fuck it, like whatever. And so it's more of a 565 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: vibe when youreal city government. Yeah. Well, and and again 566 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: like this is the thing, like people people get really 567 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: really really hung up about legal technicalities and that ship 568 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: and as we're about to see in that in in 569 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: this case, right like that ship does not matter, right, 570 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: this this is entirely about sort of power, about power 571 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: brokering and sort of like where where where the Brazilian 572 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: elite is in a particular time, who's backing what Lula 573 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: puts in a petition? If he puts in a rid 574 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: of habeas corpus, that's like, hey, there's stuff in the 575 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: constitution that's like I shouldn't be put in prison until 576 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: my appeals are done. And this goes to the Supreme Court, 577 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: at which point a fucking Brazilian general who apparently be 578 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: this this this apparently was planned by fifteen other generals. 579 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: Uh who I I got a guy named Edward at 580 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: edwardo Vilas Bolas like literally sorts threatening the Supreme Court 581 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter and like he's like he starts employing and 582 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: this tweet is read on Globo, which is like the 583 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: fucking like like big, big, biggest news network in Brazil. 584 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: They like read out this tweet, like the subtext of 585 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: which is, if you don't put Luley in jail, we 586 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: are going to do a coup. So they dragged Lula 587 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: off to prison and they put him in solitary for 588 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: five and eighty days, which is like yeah, yeah, they 589 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: they they are like they are torturing the shoot out 590 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: of him, um Jesus yeah, yeah, yeah, living out there 591 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: like fucking like you know, like previous generation of coups 592 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: against Latin American like chopping Victor Halla's hands off fantasy. Yeah, 593 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, I would say that's 594 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: like Lula. Lula has was arrested by the military dictatorship 595 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: in the eighties, right, But even the military tatorship only 596 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: held him for thirty days and then let him go nothing. 597 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: The neo liberals they're they're like they're trying to put 598 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: him in prison. The fourth things like it's originally seven 599 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: years in the sixt end of the twelve years, um, 600 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: and there's this whole thing. But like she's also like 601 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: not allowed to speak to the press during this time. 602 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: And the reason this is happening is that if you're 603 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: in prison, you can't run for president, and ins an eighteen, 604 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: if Lula's run allowed to run for president, even with 605 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: all the press ship, he is going to fucking stop 606 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: literally anyone in the field. Yeah and yeah, so this 607 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: is going up. But before we talk about the election 608 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: a little bit and then sort of wind down, there's 609 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: one more thing I want to talk about, which is 610 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: that four days before Lula is arrested, Mariella Franco, who 611 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: is a incredibly radical City City councilor and real dejan Narrow, 612 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: is assassinated by death squad. Um. There there's a lot 613 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: of coverage of like who she was sort of like 614 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of coverage of her story about how 615 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: she's a black, lesbian woman who came who like was 616 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: from an incredibly for poor family and the favelas and 617 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: how she sort of like worked a way out to 618 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: your politician, but like they don't talk about you know, 619 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: people will sort of obliquely mentioned her human rights work, 620 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: or they'll talk a bit about how she's part of 621 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: the PSOL which is his leftist party that like, Okay, 622 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: so I'm still I supose it. I'm looking I'm so 623 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of hazy about their exact serty. I think what 624 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: happened was there was a group of ptole of of 625 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: PT like politicians who were used to vote for an 626 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: austerity package the PT was trying to push through and 627 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: they got kicked out of the party for it, and 628 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: they found at the PSOL um and you know, they 629 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: they'll talk about sort of this stuff. What what they 630 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: won't cover really is what she was actually doing. And 631 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: I think this is like, this is incredibly important because 632 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: the thing she was actually doing was a bunch of 633 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: very radical and unbelievably dangerous anti police activism. Um So, 634 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: in TuS eight, this is again under Lula's Pizza government, 635 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: that there was a re orientation of police strategy and 636 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: the favelas tours. This new program called Pacifying Police Units 637 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: u p p s, and the idea was in instead 638 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: of doing constant raids and the favelas and then leaving them, 639 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: they were just gonna put them under like constant police occupation. 640 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: And you know, like there's something like four hundred thousand 641 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: people at a time are just living under these occupations. 642 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: And in the beginning, it's supposed to be tied to 643 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: like so like there's supposed to be like an expansion 644 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: of like social services into the favelas and supposed to 645 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: be like community policing, and that just doesn't happen. And 646 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: but he hasn't thirteen, They just like give up the 647 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: pretense of doing any social work, and they found this 648 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: thing called Tactico groups of proximity police, which very quickly 649 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: turned into just like fucking desk squads. But they're but 650 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: they're they're they're both desk squads, and they're also doing 651 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: like stopping frisk ship and just like carassing random black people. 652 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: There's they're just murdering people on the streets um on 653 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: a scale that is like it's worse than has been before, 654 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: like that there were individual police unit. There's an individual 655 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: police unit becomes a hundred and seventeen people in a 656 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: year like it is. It is fucking horrible, right, And 657 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: this is what I was talking about about the Brazilian 658 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: police killing killing at a rate that's eleven times tire 659 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: in the American police like it is. It is fucking atrocious. Um. 660 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: And there are some incredible videos of yeah, like it's 661 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: fucked um and they're war with parts of their own population. Yeah. 662 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: I mean I say this like this is this is 663 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: one of those things about fascism, right where like fascism 664 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: like always kind of has we're in the system of 665 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: alliances between sort of like the police paramilitaries who are 666 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 1: sort of tied to the police, and organized crime, and 667 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: you know, like that there is an extent to which 668 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: there are a bunch of gangs and the police are 669 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: finding them. There's also an extent to which like everyone 670 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: involved is just shaking down all of these fucking like 671 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: unbelievably poor uh largely black, like working class people who 672 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: are just getting fucking robbed every day. It's horrible. Um. Yeah. 673 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: And it's that where it might be a bit of 674 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: a side by that we we don't like we need 675 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: to fit in here, but in this case we can 676 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: distribute it. But there's a I know that one of 677 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: the big Brazilian prison gangs is like ostensibly leftist. They're 678 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: like they called Red Command, right, Yeah, I think I 679 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: think is it really it's command at Yeah, so they 680 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: they used to be yeah, so so okay, Red Command 681 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: used to be like an m L group that was 682 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: like a sort of like alliance between like regular people 683 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: in prison and like left us people who've been put 684 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: in prison. Yeah, and it it does a similar thing 685 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: to like like there are parts of the farc that 686 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: go like this. There's a lot of there's a thing 687 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: that happens when you're dealing with sort of armed groups 688 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: like this, which is that. Okay, So like a lot 689 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: of the things that you do to get money as 690 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: an armed group are things that are away to get money, 691 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: So things like kidnapping, things like entering the drug trade. 692 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of groups to start out ideological 693 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: that just cease to be ideological and the people well, 694 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: which is in the drug right now, And this is 695 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: kind of what happens here with these people. But okay, 696 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: there's actually this actually does tie into this because so 697 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: Marilla Franco like spends her entire life like fighting these people. 698 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: She she gets she gets a sociology degree, and like 699 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: what she's doing and like while she's doing sociology stuff 700 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: is she's like making reports and like like telling everyone 701 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: like what these people are doing, like what what what 702 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: the funding police are doing? And when she dies, like 703 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: there's a fucking judge who's like, actually, uh, what happened 704 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: was that she was she was she was working with 705 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: Red Command and she got behind her debt payments and 706 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: they killed her. And it's like this is some fucking bullshit, 707 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: like like she so we think is we actually still 708 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: don't really know much about like who killed her? Right, 709 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: we know that one of the one of the people 710 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: who's being tried for the getaway driver was like pictured 711 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: with Bolsonaro's there's a bunch of weird ties to like 712 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: Bolsonaro's brother, because Bolsonaro's very, very heavily tied into a 713 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: bunch of arm paramilitary groups. It works well for everyone 714 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: to have these groups that they campaign as like the 715 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: Great Satan, right Like the police can be like we're 716 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: com back to the gangs, and gangs can be like, 717 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: well you all hate the fucking police, right like, and 718 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: then they, yeah, they could just blame anyone else whenever 719 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: there is and it's like the self supporting structure. Yeah. 720 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: But then but every once in a while you get 721 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: some and that that's like Arriolar Frank, Like she's a 722 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: very very rare kind of person, like she she winds 723 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: up as a city council. Right, she's she's a very 724 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: very rare kind of politician who like everyone liked like anes, 725 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: Like everyone on the left likes, like you're even you're 726 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: sort of like like most hardcore like fucking guy in 727 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: like like it was your most like hardcore guy in 728 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: like a tiny mL sect and like your most hardline anarchists. 729 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: Like everyone likes her because she's doing she's doing like 730 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: she's every day putting her life in danger trying to 731 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: stop the police. And you know, and when when you 732 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: get someone like that who is not part of this 733 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: sort of like it's not part of either of these factions, right, 734 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: and who was a genuine threat to both of them, 735 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: because she is unbelievably popular. She she gets the fifth 736 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: most votes of anyone. Like who's who's running for city 737 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: counselor and she's doing it again running for the PSOL. 738 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 1: Who's like they have like five seats I think in 739 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: in the Senate or something like that, Like like they're 740 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: not like they're not like that. They are a kind 741 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: of large party, but they're not like one of the 742 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: party is ever gonna like win a national election, right 743 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: like and but you know, but she she is an 744 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: incredible threat to them, and so they have her killed. 745 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: We know that the bullets that were at that that 746 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: she was killed by were part of a batche that 747 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: was sold by the police. We know that from from 748 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,959 Speaker 1: another one of the batches that was in that sequence. Uh, 749 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of other people who were killed by 750 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: the police. And this is also like wait, sold to 751 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: the police, are sold by the police, sold by the police, 752 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: magnificent good Yeah, yeah, there, you know. And there's a 753 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on here too, which is like 754 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,959 Speaker 1: there are a lot of activists in Brazil who get killed, 755 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: like this is this happens all the time. There are 756 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: a lot of digits activists, you get killed. There a 757 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: lot of black activists to get killed or are just 758 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: like if you piss off the wrong person, like you 759 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: can just get executed. And this assassination is one of 760 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: the symbols of it because like she was a city councilwoman, right, 761 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: Like she was part of a major political party and 762 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: they just fucking shot her. Yeah, and no one's been 763 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: held accountable. Yeah, it's it's fucking horrible. Um I I yeah, 764 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't really have I don't have any sort of 765 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: like clever thing to say here, it's just it's just 766 00:40:51,360 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: fucking awful. There's one more thing I need to mention, 767 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: which is that Okay, so the thing she was doing 768 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: like like literally literally she was at a conference, like 769 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: she she was killed, like driving home from a conference, right, 770 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: And the thing she was doing like literally in the 771 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: days leading up, like leading up to her assassination was 772 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: um so, Michael Timer has this thing called the call 773 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: the qute unquote federal intervention, which was apparently like extremely 774 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: popular in Brazil, which is like a sign of how 775 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: fucked up everything is, which is that he just like 776 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: it was like, fuck it, We're going to hand control 777 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: of quote unquote security and real desannarrow to the army 778 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: and let them like go to war with the gangs. Yeah, fucked, 779 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: unbelievably fucked. And she she is too, takes an incredibly 780 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: bold chance against us and is trying is trying to 781 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: fight it, and then she is mysteriously assassinated. Yeah, it's 782 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: a bit like you know how like you obviously people 783 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: will say that fascism is like the return of colonials 784 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: into domestic policy, right, colonial colonial methods in the metrooral 785 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: instead of in the colonies, and like this is similar here, right, 786 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: Like what you're seeing is just they're doing a colonialism 787 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: but just to pull people. Yeah, although I should mention 788 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: a lot of us and that analysis has developed in 789 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: like like is developed for Europe, and the Brazilian context 790 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: is not the same thing as that because like Brazil 791 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: was also doing all of this stuff to its own population, 792 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: because again Brazil has a mass like like like Brazil's 793 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: settler colony that was also a slave state, right, so 794 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: all of this violence is just it's the same thing 795 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: that they've been doing since they got there. Like, yeah, 796 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean, and this is something actually Lula talks about 797 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: a lot, which is like the people who have been 798 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: in power for five years are still in power. But 799 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: I think it's important to understand, like part of how 800 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: boll scenario is able to do what he does is 801 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 1: that everyone is already like everyone is already so primed 802 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: to just like back the fucking army coming in and 803 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: like right, like there's so much racism. There's so much 804 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: just like like there there there's this whole set of 805 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: law and ordership thing that's going on. And the sort 806 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: of product of all of this is in the Natian election, 807 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: the PT put in basically some right. I mean he's 808 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: not some random guy like he he was like like 809 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: he was like a kind of prominent politician. But they 810 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: basically run like some guy and he gets clawbball scenario. 811 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: And part of this is there's a lot of stuff 812 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: that happens here that's like very similar to sort of 813 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: US different just information campaigns, like there's all these like 814 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: Telegram groups going around where like yeah, his name is 815 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,439 Speaker 1: Fernando Haddad. There's this whole thing about how he's gonna 816 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:34,240 Speaker 1: like turn your kids gay and like he's a Satanist. Um, yeah, 817 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: so and then yeah, think it's interesting right because I 818 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: think people, um, there's this analysis like we have to 819 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: see everything through the lens of American politics, like the 820 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: Batonaro is the American the Brazilian Trump but like it's 821 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: and minority. This is not deep, but like it strikes 822 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: me that he embraces Catholicism to a degree that is 823 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,320 Speaker 1: like much greater than like did religion. I mean it's interesting. 824 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: So like the London American context has, you know, it 825 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,839 Speaker 1: has this like thing I think you think you know about, 826 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: which is like it's there there's this sort of right 827 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: wing Catholic evangelical alliance. Yeah, that is happening here. And 828 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: you know because like a whole bunch of of of 829 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: Bilsonaro's base is a ship ton of evangelicals. But he 830 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: he's like there's this sort of shared language around especial 831 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: specifically like around anti abortion stuff, around opposing gender ideology 832 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: and like feminism and stuff like that, where it's like, yeah, 833 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: you can you can do this sort of dog like 834 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: not even dog wasn't you can just sort of like 835 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: whistle at them and you know, and like it works. 836 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: And this is sort of like you know I and like, okay, 837 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: like if if I had any energy left in me, 838 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: I would probably do another episode that was like like 839 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,760 Speaker 1: two three. I could do like a fucking year of episodes. 840 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 1: But everything that happened to their Billsonaro, Um, yeah, I'm 841 00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: just gonna sort of hit some of the like low lights, 842 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: you know what you call it, like Bolsonaro. Okay, but 843 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: Bolsonaro managed to kill less people than Trump did, but 844 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: and also then Biden did. But Comma, he also killed 845 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: a fucking unfathomable number of people with COVID, Like he 846 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: refused to buy vaccines. He like it was like really 847 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: into the classic Cory Clean stuff like it started and 848 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: stuff like he like personally spread COVID to a bunch 849 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: of people, Like there's like one I think one of 850 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: the one of the most famous things that people know about, 851 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: like the sort of Bostionar regime is that the Amazon 852 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: was fucking burned because they're always like a huge part 853 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 1: of his base are us like basically legal loggers and 854 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: Bolsonaro just like fuck it, go like destroy all, destroy 855 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: all of this indigenous land, fucking killed the people on it, 856 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: and they've been just like annihilating the Amazon. Didn't He 857 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: also and I may again be completely off based on this, 858 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: didn't he breaks down a lot of the like from 859 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: Fu and I it's the Brasilian National Organization that, among 860 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: other things, does some sometimes problematic but protection of indigenous 861 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: people's didn't he like a dismantle a lot of the 862 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: structure of that and try and defend Yeah, and it did, 863 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: like Trump right, like it will take years to I 864 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 1: do this bullshit. It might never be on it like 865 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,959 Speaker 1: and that that's like we're running out of sucking time, 866 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: right we didn't have Yeah, Well, and this this is 867 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: one of the things where like we have to hope 868 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: Lula actually fucking hold up to his word here, because like, okay, 869 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: so the PAC record of deforestation is way, way enormously 870 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: better than Bosonaro. But it's also true that a lot 871 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: of the sort of legal framework that Bosonaro has been 872 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: using to push this stuff like is stuff from the 873 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: PT And you know, I Lula has pledged to stop deforestation, 874 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: like I hope he does, or sucking everyone is going 875 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: to die. Yeah yeah, I mean there there's you know, 876 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: like everything that was like that I've talked about that 877 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,439 Speaker 1: was bad before got enormously worse under boson The police 878 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: violence got worse and military violence got worse. Um, there's 879 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: just like he's able to sort of like do this 880 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: like enormous anti communist fervor um. But the problem is 881 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: that he kills like he kills too many people. That's 882 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: as much he's killing hselfterbas he is. But like the 883 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 1: thing is like he really just destroys the entire Brazilian 884 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: economy like his nukes it. And this costs him the 885 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: support of a bunch of the ruling class. And this 886 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: is actually the thing that this is like ultimately what 887 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 1: defeated Bolson Arrow is um like in as far as 888 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: we could even talk about a being what if he 889 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: did Bolsonaro personally is the fact that like he like 890 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: he loses it off for the ruling class that when 891 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: Lula appeals, like with Lula's actual case appeal goes to 892 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: the s Freme Court, they throw it out and say 893 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 1: Morrow like turns on him for a bit, although Morrow 894 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,720 Speaker 1: and it comes back and endorses Bolsonaro in the election 895 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: because he's a piece of ship. But like, yeah, there's 896 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: he he loses a bunch of sort of the support 897 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: of the ruling class, and there's this kind of This 898 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: is the thing I think is kind of disturbing about 899 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: this election, even the Lula one, is that Lula did 900 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: this like giant United French strategy, right, like he pulled together, 901 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,799 Speaker 1: like he was recognized by sort of everyone who post 902 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: poson arrows, like he's the only person who could stop him. 903 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: But this means that he's drawing a bunch of support 904 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 1: from the right. His his running mate in this election 905 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: is a guy named Gerda. I mean, yeah, this is 906 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: a guy that Lula beat by twenty points in an 907 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: election or thirty points something like that. Like this is 908 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 1: literally like a right wing guy Hulula fucking destroyed an 909 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: election and he had, and Lula brings him on as 910 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: a running mate because he's trying to sort of appeal 911 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: to like disaffected, Like he's he's running the sort of 912 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: like Biden suburban strategy, right, Like he's doing the like 913 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: an appeal to sort of or it voters thing, and like, 914 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like and this is going on to the 915 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: point where like he's telling people like not to like 916 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: bring PT flags or like wear PT colors to rallies 917 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: because they're trying to downpl Yeah, because they're trying to 918 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: downplay the certified communism thing. And it doesn't really work 919 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: because like Bolsonarro's just calling him. Everyone's just calling him 920 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: a communist anyways, right, And and he like squeaks by 921 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: this fucking election, right, Like I mean, he probably wanted 922 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: by he probably would have wanted by a couple more 923 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,320 Speaker 1: percent than the actual vote total shoulder hadn't been voter suppression, 924 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: but like it was close. And the other thing that's 925 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: really really bad about this is that I like the right, 926 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: like Bilsonaro's party like controls the Senate, so and and 927 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: this is the everything, right, if Bolsono's party can cut 928 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 1: enough deals and like jettison Billsonaro like bolson is um 929 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: like as a force is still there right like this 930 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: this this this sort of like fascist right has consolidated 931 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: as his own political force. And you know there's a 932 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: non zero chance that they just impeach Lula, right and 933 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 1: this we literally to watch this entire fucking cycle that 934 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: has happened again like right, like that this kind of 935 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: ship like this could happen. Um. Yeah, so things are 936 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: still not great, and yeah, Lula's actual hand to do 937 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: stuff here is very contruct I should also mention that 938 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 1: like I don't know, like there was literally like partying 939 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,799 Speaker 1: in the streets in like like they were like they 940 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 1: were parties in the streets of cities that like he 941 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 1: didn't even win like like this this is like he 942 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, like the fact that he won is 943 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: genuinely very good. Um, I have I don't know what 944 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: can be done to actually sort of defeat boll scenarios 945 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: and as a structural force because again, like he won 946 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: like of the vote, right, like that's still there, killing 947 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: like like a tens of thousands of his population and 948 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:02,800 Speaker 1: being a general ship head. Yeah so yeah, yeah, yeah, 949 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what's the like I don't know, like 950 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: the like actual structural things have to change about both 951 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: the Brazilian political system, like the Bison political system, the police, 952 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 1: the military, and the economy have to structurally change or 953 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 1: we're or like we're gonna get gonna get another most 954 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 1: SNAr like this is what's happening in the US right, 955 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: Like there hasn't actually been a sort of structural shift 956 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: in like in the American playal systems that we're just 957 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,360 Speaker 1: gonna get another Trump. Maybe it'll be actual Trump. Who knows, 958 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: like like like maybe this is the thing like until 959 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,840 Speaker 1: until fascism is sort of like class base and based 960 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: in the state is destroyed, like and and it's it's 961 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: sort of ideological basin in sort of like righting constructions 962 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: of the family. It's religious based like a particular like 963 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,879 Speaker 1: we're just we're gonna be back here and we're gonna 964 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 1: be sort of like continuously teetering between fascism and something 965 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: that's not fascism but has no way to oppose it, 966 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah that fucking sucks, um, but we keep 967 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: doing it, like we keep trying to defeat fascism by 968 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 1: running like closer and closer to fascism to pull away 969 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: like the marginal fascist. Okay, so here here's the thing. 970 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,879 Speaker 1: I one thing, one thing I will give to Lula 971 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 1: is that like, okay, his way of doing this was 972 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: that a bunch of people found pictures of Bolsaaro and 973 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 1: illumin like like with a bunch of a lot, like 974 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of like in Freemason robes, with a bunch 975 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,800 Speaker 1: of Freemasons. And this I think genuinely may have cost Bolsonaro, 976 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: like like there's an argument this cost Bolsonaro like a 977 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,399 Speaker 1: bunch of electric points with his own base because people 978 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: found this. There's another thing like like the day, like 979 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,359 Speaker 1: a couple of days before the election, like an old 980 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: TV clip turned up of Bulson arms out of nowhere 981 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,279 Speaker 1: saying quote, I would eat an Indian. Yes, yes, this 982 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: starting to acounabism. I mean this is like so like 983 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,719 Speaker 1: this is really about his racism, right, but he's tarting 984 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: to a whole cannibalism thing. The Supreme Court ruled, like 985 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,840 Speaker 1: I think incredibly cowardly because he did say this is 986 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: court ruled that he couldn't run, that Lula couldn't run 987 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,319 Speaker 1: as calling him a cannibal. But you know, like there 988 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 1: was something like this like we're like like suddenly that 989 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,239 Speaker 1: like there were like I don't know, like this is 990 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: and I will applaud at it for this, like he 991 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 1: hasn't really like he could have run an election where 992 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: he just fucking through his entire base under the bus 993 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,520 Speaker 1: and was like insanely racist and was like no, I 994 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,319 Speaker 1: hate queer people and I hate women, and like he 995 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: he could have he could have run a camp. You 996 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: could have run a Boston Our compannity. He didn't, right, 997 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 1: and and in so far as he was tapping into 998 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: right wing ship, he was tapping into hey, this guy 999 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 1: is a fucking this guy's in Freemason robes. It was 1000 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: sort of it was sort of funny ship that like 1001 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,280 Speaker 1: it's probably not great that this is where the political 1002 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: sphory is, but like like you know, okay, Bossolaro literally 1003 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: said he would eat a human being. Is like I 1004 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: would rather that be the kind of insane right wing 1005 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: thing that's going around then, like I don't know, queer 1006 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,319 Speaker 1: people are going to murder your children or something, which 1007 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 1: is like the normal ship that you hear. Yeah, and 1008 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: it's in twenty sixteen. It's not like he said it 1009 00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: when he was eighteen six years ago. Like, yeah, I 1010 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: think he said it's like a journalist as well, right, Jim, God, yeah, 1011 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,360 Speaker 1: it's a fucking terrible guy. You can imagine Donald Trump 1012 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,479 Speaker 1: saying he'd eat someone probably I think I think Donald Trump, 1013 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: you'd have to prompt Bosonaro just unprompted. There was no 1014 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 1: connection here. He was just like fuck it, No, I 1015 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: am so racist. I'm just gonna say this. I don't know. 1016 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: I wish, I yeah, I wish. I wish good luck 1017 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,480 Speaker 1: and good fortune and yeah, like victory to everyone in 1018 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,239 Speaker 1: Brazil who is fighting. Yeah Bosonaro, I help all these 1019 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,800 Speaker 1: I hope he fucking dies of COVID finally. Um yeah, 1020 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 1: And I hope, I hope, but I really do hope 1021 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 1: the Bosonarios can be defeated. Um yeah, I don't know, 1022 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,719 Speaker 1: like make better choices, pt please God, we can't do 1023 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,839 Speaker 1: this again. Yeah, I have bother people in Brazil would 1024 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: continue to be impacted by this. This bullshit can have 1025 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 1: better meaningful improvement to the lives and the selection, you know. 1026 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I will say like like this is proof 1027 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,360 Speaker 1: that like bull scenarioism isn't isn't undefeatable, right, Like it's 1028 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,759 Speaker 1: like the fact that he wasn't able to pull off 1029 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,879 Speaker 1: a military Q right, like, it is beatable. It's just 1030 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 1: it's very very hard, and yeah, I mean and then 1031 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 1: that this is true or fascist and everywhere. Right, it's 1032 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: hard to beat, but it can be stopped, and we 1033 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 1: are going to because the alternative is the fucking annihilation 1034 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,240 Speaker 1: of the earth. So yeah, fuck them, We're gonna win. Mhm. 1035 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 1: It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 1036 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 1037 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com, or check us out on 1038 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,239 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 1039 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. 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