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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan

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Speaker 1: Never Told You, a production of iHeartRadio. And today we

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Speaker 1: have a very special edition of a book club for you.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a bit of a discussion around

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Speaker 1: the importance of feminist books and also why we should

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Speaker 1: be paying attention to all of the book banning efforts

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Speaker 1: going on right now. But it's also special because we

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Speaker 1: have a very important announcement. We have been hinting at it,

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Speaker 1: we have been alluding to it, and it's finally time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is Samantha and I wrote a book. Wrote damn book.

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Speaker 1: We did. It's hard to believe, honestly, it really really is.

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Speaker 1: We did it. It was a whirlwind and you'll hear

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Speaker 1: more about the process of writing it in our upcoming

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Speaker 1: Monday many. But yes, the book is called Stuff I've

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Speaker 1: Never Told You, The Feminist Past, Present and Future. It

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Speaker 1: comes out on August twenty ninth of twenty twenty three. Yes, good,

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Speaker 1: very good calls that you never know August twenty ninth

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, and you can pre order it

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Speaker 1: at stuff you Should Read books dot com. You can

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Speaker 1: also find a link on our social media channels, so yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: go do it. It was a very daunting process. I

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Speaker 1: was writing any book is, but also writing any book

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Speaker 1: about feminism. Honestly, things changed so quickly, literally chapters we

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Speaker 1: wrote or changing as we were writing them. Yes, because

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Speaker 1: we started the whole thing twenty twenty one. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think. Yeah, so we had to keep

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Speaker 1: changing it throughout. But of course we had a lot

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Speaker 1: of people helping on this journey. But yeah, it does

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Speaker 1: feel like there's so much outdated that we can't go

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Speaker 1: can we fix this? Can we fix there? We go

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Speaker 1: back and add this in there? Yeah, and it is.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things where it reminds me of

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Speaker 1: how my mom feels about when she cooks things, where

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Speaker 1: she's always knitpicking her own cooking. But I'm like, the

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Speaker 1: taste really good. It's hard for me to look at

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Speaker 1: the subjectively, but there are some really cool parts I

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Speaker 1: love about it. One is we were lucky enough. Samantha

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Speaker 1: had this idea like, let's add in this graphic novel

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Speaker 1: elements because we love that kind of stuff, and we

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Speaker 1: were lucky enough to work with a local illustrator named

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Speaker 1: Helen Joy, and Helen turned in our kind of rambling

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Speaker 1: ideas into beautiful art. It's probably one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: parts to the book, having her doing all the wonderful

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Speaker 1: illustrations of some of the stories that we thought were important,

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Speaker 1: and then having some of the best like graphics for

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Speaker 1: again parts of the things that we couldn't say but

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Speaker 1: wanted to show. So she did a wonderful job, and

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Speaker 1: it's so so fun. Yes, it is, it's really really fun.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was fun collaborating process, which we will

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Speaker 1: talk about more in her Monday Many. We were also

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Speaker 1: lucky enough to work with Jane Franzon, who was kind

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Speaker 1: of our editor, ghost writer, basically the person who made

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Speaker 1: sure we got stuff done. Yeah. Like I think we

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Speaker 1: came in with an idea that we would have a ghostwriter,

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Speaker 1: then our manager, kind of our agent. She just became

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Speaker 1: everything a representative and advocate for us. Not only would

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Speaker 1: she go through everything we wrote and be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to change this and then this and this

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Speaker 1: and make us sound very smart, thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: but she really wasn't in between for being a translate

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Speaker 1: her yes, between us in the book world, because there

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Speaker 1: are so many things that we don't know in that film,

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Speaker 1: entire time and making sure that we were equipped to

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Speaker 1: move forward. Yes, because we did not know what we

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Speaker 1: were doing, like not at all full transparency. We did

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Speaker 1: not know. We would ask the most I assume, basic questions.

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Speaker 1: But she was so kind and so yes, helpful, And

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Speaker 1: there would literally be times where one of us are

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Speaker 1: even after we were done trying to write acknowledgements of

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Speaker 1: my bio. I would send her my clip. I was like,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of this? She would be like, yes,

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Speaker 1: was the entire thing was so less painful. Yes because

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Speaker 1: of her. Yes. Yes, So look out for our Monday

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Speaker 1: mini where we're talking more about that. Definitely check out

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Speaker 1: you can see an excert on that website. I read

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Speaker 1: stuff you should readbooks dot com and they chose we

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Speaker 1: also have. Another idea of Samantha's was that there would

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Speaker 1: Princess Leia's in there, but they chose the last of

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Speaker 1: show as an excert. So go go check it out

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Speaker 1: and you can see some of the illustrations and they're

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Speaker 1: share it with you. Now we don't have to be

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Speaker 1: might even be some like hangouts virtual or in real life.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, who knows what? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But like we said, it is a very daunting task.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things we wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: in this is the importance of feminist books and feminism

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Speaker 1: in books. And I was looking it up and there

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Speaker 1: seemed to be some very basic things that kept coming up,

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Speaker 1: and one was defying patriarchal stereotypes, and that that was

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Speaker 1: of the importance of younger people to see something that

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Speaker 1: patriarchal stereotypes that we normally get fed at a young age.

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Speaker 1: Why that's so important and there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: research and science behind that. There's also just kind of

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Speaker 1: older folks, and you and I have talked about that

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Speaker 1: of Basically, for me, it was college and there it's

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Speaker 1: was the big period where I started reading these materials

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Speaker 1: looked at the world, which is hugely important. Also, they

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Speaker 1: provide contexts and education. So many of the books we've

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Speaker 1: they've done it so graciously when they honestly don't have

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Speaker 1: to be so gracious, but because it's true, like if

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Speaker 1: you're raised in one environment, it's so helpful to find

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Speaker 1: those kinds of things. It's just hugely important and it's

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Speaker 1: like everywhere. I still love that. We've talked about topics

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Speaker 1: ranging from intersexual environmentalism to just basic like able ism

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Speaker 1: tools to combat oppression, to make society better, to recognize

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Speaker 1: of the big struggles we had with this book. Well,

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Speaker 1: so how do we choose what to talk about and

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Speaker 1: so so much, But I do think it's very very valuable.

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Speaker 1: And as we talked about when we kind of did

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Speaker 1: about book club, so many of these books that we've

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Speaker 1: part of that just by reading what has been public.

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Speaker 1: that they really put it all the work so much

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Speaker 1: find it encouraging that we are able to access that today.

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Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. And I think, like I said,

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Speaker 1: which is hilarious. But I did see that lots of

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Speaker 1: think it's becoming a new form of protest and I

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Speaker 1: love it, me too. Yeah, there's been a there's been

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Speaker 1: a couple of there's been pushback in play tests, and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that a little about the end. But

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Speaker 1: the US and people in general have a long history

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Speaker 1: of censorship and book banning, especially around religion, enslavement, and racism.

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Speaker 1: Jen Crow Air South is a big one, and sex

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Speaker 1: and gender, including birth control and conscious sceptives. According to

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Speaker 1: the National Geographic Quote. By the nineteen twenties, Boston was

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Speaker 1: so notorious for banning books that authors intentionally printed their

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Speaker 1: them a publicity boost elsewhere in the country. But yes,

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Speaker 1: book banning is seeing a very big surge right now.

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Speaker 1: Almost every state in the US has senior rized in

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Speaker 1: the banning of books in recent years, right as in fight.

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Speaker 1: Let's go over some numbers. From July twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: to June twenty twenty two, Pan America's Index of School

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Speaker 1: Book Bands lists two thousand, five hundred and thirty two

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Speaker 1: instances of individual books being banned, affecting one thousand, six

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Speaker 1: hundred forty eight unique book titles. The one thousand, six

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Speaker 1: hundred forty eight titles are by one two hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty one different authors, two hundred and ninety illustrators and

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Speaker 1: eighteen translators, impacting the literary, scholarly, and creative work of

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Speaker 1: one thousand, one hundred and fifty three people, all together

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Speaker 1: with other books that haven't been reported on top of

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Speaker 1: the bands occurred in one hundred thirty eight school districts

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Speaker 1: It's true. Well, if you want to check out this

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