1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and seventeen, 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: which is first airing in late September of twenty twenty one. 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking to Kendra Adaci about her 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: book The Lazy Genius, some upcoming projects she has too. 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: She has a great podcast as well that I know 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners also listen to, or should 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: if they don't. She's got a lot of great life 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: hacks and tips that she's developed over the years on 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: how to make light work. So, Sarah, what would you 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: consider yourself to be a lazy genius about? I am 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: a lazy genius about many things related to my home. 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: I know that spending a lot of time on decor 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: and updating does not spark any joy in me, so 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: I've chosen just to be very, very lazy about it. 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: That's why we still rent. That is why I'm more 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: concerned with whether, you know, it's relatively organized than I 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: am with you know, the state of any of our furniture. 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: And it does make my life easier. So I think 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: her tagline is like, be a genius about the things 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: that matter and lazy about the things that don't. And 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: to me, it totally doesn't. And I love that permission. 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: I love Kender by the way. I'm so excited for 32 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: having her. See she also has one of her principles 33 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: is to decide once, and we have certainly done that 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: with meals, the whole meal planning thing. We get a 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: meal kit that provides two dinners per week. We always 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: do breakfast for dinner on Wednesday, and we do make 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: your own pizza no on Friday, So that leaves a 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: mere one night per week to figure out much of 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: which we have you know, pre made costco meals and 40 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: the freezer something like that. You know, kids could have 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: girled cheese. It doesn't matter it's it's just very easy, 42 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: and it limits the decision making if basically four of 43 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: the week nights per week are already decided and we 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: don't have to make those decisions. You know, we also 45 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: made the decision decide once the kids buy the hot 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: lunch or they don't buy because nobody has to pay 47 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: for anything anymore in the police clothes. But they buy 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: with in quotes, the hot lunch at the school, and 49 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: so we decided to do that. Decide once don't have 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: to worry about, you know, the men, you don't have 51 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: to worry about buying lunch stuff for the kids. I'm 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: not sure exactly what they're eating while they're there, but 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't know if they brown bagged it either, really, 54 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: and no one's starved so far, So I guess we're 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: a lazy genius about that. I love it. I kind 56 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: of wish I could lazy genius that one our school 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: does not have lunch right now, but I think I'm 58 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 1: going to copy you when they do. So well cool, Well, 59 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and dive right into hearing from Kendra. 60 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: All right, Well, Sarah and I are so excited to 61 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: welcome Kendra to the program. So, Kendra, can you introduce 62 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: yourself to our listeners. I can. I'm so happy to 63 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: be here. So my name is Kendra Adachi. I am 64 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: known on the Internet as the Lazy Genius, and I 65 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: help people be a genius about the things that matter 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: and lazy about the things that don't to them because 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: the things that matter to me are not going to 68 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: matter to you, and so we need different approaches to things. 69 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: So I have a podcast that talks about that, I 70 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: have a book that talks about that. I talk about 71 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: it a lot on Instagram. So if you google the 72 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Lazy Genius there, I am there. She is all over 73 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: the place. And Kendra also has three kids and tell 74 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: us their ages. Yeah. So my oldest is in sixth grade, 75 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: he just started middle school, it's fine. And then my 76 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: middle son is in fourth grade, and then my youngest, 77 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: my daughter is ink in her garden. So this fall 78 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: was like transition city. Yeah, exactly. Now you match up 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: well with my three middle children pretty closely. So I 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: always enjoy hearing about what you guys are up to. Yeah. 81 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: So you define a lazy genius as being a genius 82 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: about what matters and then lazy about everything that doesn't 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: matter to you. How did you come up with that phrase? 84 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: Years of being a really intense perfectionist. Now, the phrase 85 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: itself came from my friend Emily P. Freeman, who is 86 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: an author herself, and she's just really good at naming things, 87 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: and she is like my best friend. And when I 88 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: was trying to think about how I wanted to give 89 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: sort of permission to people to kind of make choices 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: that made sense for them but in a smart, efficient way, 91 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: she said, well, I like these two words together. What 92 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: about the lazy genius? And then the tagline just like 93 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: rolled off. It was like, that's right, because people can 94 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: be a genius about the things that matter and lazy 95 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: about the things don't. And then we were like high 96 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: fiving all over the place. That's always great when you 97 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: know you've got it and you're like, that's my personal 98 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: brand forever. So let's talk about some of the lazy 99 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: genius principles, because I think we have a lot of 100 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: listeners who either are lazy geniuses or what aspire to 101 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: be lazy geniuses. So one of your key principles is 102 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: to decide once. So tell us what that means in 103 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: some ways in your life that you decide once. I 104 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: love this principle because it is such a quick win, 105 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: Like it just gives you, like it gives you such 106 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: an adrenaline rush because it helps. So deciding once is 107 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: basically you make a decision about something one time, and 108 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: then you don't make a decision again until it stops working. 109 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: Once it stops working, you change your decision. And it 110 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: can be literally anything. A couple of common choices are 111 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: like what you eat for dinner on a certain night 112 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: of the week, I'm going to eat this for lunch 113 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: for the rest of the week. This is what I 114 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: wear on a certain day. This is the only place 115 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: that I buy birthday gifts for people, you know, like 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: all of those kinds of things. So I decided once 117 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: a long time ago that the only way that I 118 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: would really bring color into my wardrobe was with my 119 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: glasses and my lipstick everything else. It's like, let's just 120 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: look like Steve Jobs and it'll be fine. So that 121 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: sure makes it easy. When I'm at a store and 122 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: they're like really colorful earrings, or there's a top that's 123 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: in a bright color that I wouldn't normally wear, it's like, no, 124 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: I've decided once, this is working for me. This is working. 125 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get this. It really helps. Yeah, 126 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: and Kendra has some awesome pink glasses on right now, 127 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: so she does have color in her wardrobe. It's just 128 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: very limited to certain accessorizing spots exactly. Yeah. And another 129 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: one you have is to start small. So tell us 130 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: about that one and what you do, what you've started 131 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: small with in your life. Yeah, I know you are 132 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: an expert at this because we think about productivity in 133 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: like these big bites, big chunks, big machines, and we 134 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: spend more time maintaining the machine than we do actually 135 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: getting anything done. And so it's such a simple concept 136 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: of like, Okay, it's not just small, but it's starting small. 137 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Please don't start big, because it all falls apart. That's 138 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: why we all hate like January fourth, because we build 139 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: all these big things and then nothing happens. So starting 140 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: small is not just helpful from like a mental and 141 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: kind of emotional perspective, but also it is the very 142 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: thing that gives us the momentum we're actually looking for, 143 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: because if we make these big steps, they just are 144 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: too hard to maintain. But small steps we actually keep taking. 145 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: I have a story in my book The Lazy Genius Way, 146 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: where I explain the thirteen Lazy Genius principles, and when 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: I talk about starting small, I tell this story about 148 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to do yoga. I wanted to be that 149 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: mattered to me, like I wanted to move my body 150 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: in that way every single day. But committing to like 151 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: twenty minutes of yoga or even ten minutes of yoga 152 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: every day was ridiculous. It just wasn't working for me, 153 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: and so I made the choice to do one down 154 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: dog every day. That was it. And you might be like, Kindra, 155 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: that is not yoga, that does not count, and you 156 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: might be right, But guess what, I did it every day. 157 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: I still do it every day. Now. I do like 158 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: a little more. But the only way I got to 159 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: a little more is by doing that, by starting small 160 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: in that way. So I often say that starting small 161 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: is the most annoying advice because it feels like it 162 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: just doesn't doing anything. It's like a waste. But starting 163 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: big doesn't get you anywhere. You don't move at all, 164 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: So why not try it this way? Yeah, I'm in 165 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: complete agreement. I do certain daily rituals every day, and 166 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: among them, I do like one squat basically like any 167 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: like one one weightlifting thing, right, like one resistance training thing, 168 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: and if I do one, I'm good, it's good. You know, 169 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: usually I do more. But if I've done the one, 170 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: and there's absolutely no reason I couldn't do the one, 171 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: like I would have to be like it completely lying 172 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: to my life that there's no way this like two 173 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: second phenomenon could fit into my life. Right. But you 174 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: know if I if I said thirty minutes a day, 175 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: it just absolutely wouldn't happen now. And then one of 176 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: my personal favorites the magic question, just because it's such 177 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: a uh you know, ooh, Tandra, what is the magic question? 178 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: What is the magic question? So the magic question is 179 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: what can I do now to make something easier later? 180 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: And that's something can be anything you want to put 181 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: in there. So a very common one that I use 182 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: every single day is what can I do now to 183 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: make dinner easier later? Because that's like the thing that 184 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: we all struggle with, especially parents. If you've got kids 185 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: and you have to feed them all and you're all tired, 186 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: and you're you know, the schedule is conflating into this 187 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: like really stressful time, and so anything that I can do, 188 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: like putting wheat pasta a lot, because I have picky children. 189 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I do all the 190 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: time as an answer to the magic question is put 191 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: a pot of water on the stove at like noon. 192 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: But then all I have to do is turn on 193 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the stove when it's time, and it makes it easier. 194 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: Like it's so small, but it makes it easier. So 195 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: what can you do now to make Christmas shopping easier later? 196 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: If that is something that you do, is you can decide, 197 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: like you can go ahead and make a list of 198 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: who you're going to get gifts for and be done. 199 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: Like that's what you can do now. What can you 200 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: do now to make let's see, like taking care of 201 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: your yard easier later? It can be that you like 202 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: have boots by the door. It could be that you 203 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: have the number of a landscape person who does it 204 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: for you because you don't like to do yard work 205 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: at all. Like it's just these little tiny things where 206 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: you think ahead. It's that phrase of doing your future 207 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: self a favor. Just what can I do now to 208 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: make something easier later? And again it's such a quick win. Yeah, 209 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: well we're going to take a quick break and we'll 210 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: be right back with Kendra talking about how we can 211 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: all be lazy genius. Well, I am back with Kendra 212 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: Adati talking about how we can all be lazy geniuses, 213 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: making sure that we are geniuses about the things that 214 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: matter and that we are being lazy about the things 215 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: that don't. So I just have one quibble with the 216 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: magic question, and maybe you can explain to me how this, 217 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, isn't an issue so excited. Well, it's just 218 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: that sometimes we go a little bit overboard. I'm thinking 219 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: about how we can make things easier for our future selves, 220 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: to the point that we eat up our current leisure 221 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: time with you in the course of doing it. So 222 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: one thing I always caution our busy listeners against doing is, say, 223 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: spending your whole Sunday cooking for the week ahead. Yes, 224 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: agreed that we have a number of people who've learned 225 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: that you know, I don't know their mother's knee, that 226 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: this is what you know, a working mom is supposed 227 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: to do for making the week runs smoothly and inevitably. 228 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: What happens is that it still takes some time during 229 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: the week to make dinners. So you haven't completely gotten 230 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: rid of that but you've also lost your whole Sunday 231 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: in the process of you know, making five meals for 232 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: the week or whatever. So where is our balance between 233 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: doing things to make it easier for our future selves, 234 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: but not you know, completely forgetting our current selves and 235 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: our enjoyment. This is such a good question, And would 236 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: you believe no one has ever had this quibble? No 237 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: one has ever asked it. And I have the same 238 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: quibble with it, because that is absolutely what a lot 239 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: of people do. Is they, especially highly productive people or 240 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: highly busy people. Is they cannibalize their free time with 241 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: trying to prepare. But you're just still always tired, You're 242 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: still always chasing the thing. So I one hundred percent 243 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: agree with that. And I would say, like it's combining 244 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: start small and the magic question, Like just answer it 245 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: one time, Just do one thing, set yourself a limit. 246 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: You could even decide once to be like I'm only 247 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: going to answer the magic question three times. I'm only 248 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: going to spend ten minus min it's doing something for later, 249 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm not going to spend longer. Like giving yourself sort 250 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: of boundaries so that you can enjoy that time. I 251 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: also think that one of the hang ups that a 252 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: lot of people have. A lot of women have. I 253 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: think a lot of working women have, at least in 254 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: my anecdotal experience and talking to them, is that there 255 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: is like too much guilt in enjoying free time, Like 256 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to just read a book. I remember 257 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: reading in a productivity book that someone used reading a 258 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: novel as a reward for getting everything done, and I 259 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: was livid because I was like, oh, girl, that makes 260 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: me sad. I know. I was like, I'm going to 261 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: read my book when the house is dirty, because this 262 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: brings me joy. Like why would you know? Like taking 263 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: care of yourself, enjoying your own time should not be 264 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: a reward. It's part of existing as a human. So 265 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: that like really frustrates me. And so that is something 266 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: that I feel like is very important. That's like the 267 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: air around the magic question is you are not trying 268 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: to prove that you're like top of everything, or that 269 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: you have to sacrifice in some way your free time, 270 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: that your free time is less important than the productivity. 271 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: They have to hold hands equally. I think they have 272 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: to have equal priority or you're not going to be 273 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: productive at all from a logistical standpoint, because like you said, 274 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: you eat up the time. But even from a mental standpoint, 275 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: as you continue to prioritize productivity and efficiency and optimization 276 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: in your brain and turn into a robot instead of 277 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: stay a person. Yeah, okay, to put your shoes by 278 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: the door, not you know, don't need to lay out 279 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: outfits for the next two weeks. You don't have to 280 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: do that. It's so funny because I actually am a 281 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: victim of this, Like I do this myself, and I 282 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: put this in the book. I am pretty sure is 283 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: that I love my morning coffee obviously, like a lot 284 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: of us do. And I would run the bean grinder 285 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: in the in the evening because it would wake up 286 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: the kids in the morning. Well then I was like, well, 287 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: let me get my my mug out here, and let 288 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: me put the spoon down and let me open the sugar. 289 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: And I was like it was two weeks into that. 290 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, kinder, you passed the drawer with a spoon 291 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: getting the cream, Like, is it really that hard to 292 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: get a spoon? Like the beans make sense, the other 293 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: stuff does not make sense. And so I get that, 294 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: Like we can over magic question really fast, But at 295 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: what cost, you, guys, what cost? We have to remember, 296 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: our future selves also won't be incompetent, So like we're 297 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: gonna let her do a few things. Yeah, she can 298 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: take care of a few things. You have said some 299 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: great things in your books on your show, just as 300 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: a person that might be my favorite's not incompetent. Well 301 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: that's good. I'm glad we've established that so well, speaking 302 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: of future selves, future Kindra is going to have a 303 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: book out called The Lazy Genius Kitchen. Right, I'm coming out, 304 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: we hope this spring. So why don't you tell us 305 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: a little bit about that. I mean, so you've taken 306 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: your principles and applied them to the food. Yeah, right, 307 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited about this book. I 308 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: cannot even stand it. So I have wanted this book 309 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: to exist for fifteen years, like just being a human 310 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: adult trying to run things, and it just hasn't been 311 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: because we think that we need another cookbook, that we 312 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: need recipes, that like not having enough recipes, or not 313 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: having the right recipes, or not even having a system 314 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: for like looking at our recipes is the problem. And 315 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: I think that what we forget is there are so 316 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: many elements to existing in a kitchen, like choosing what 317 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: you're going to eat, the tools that you're going to have, 318 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: how you organize your space, how you're going to make 319 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: a plan, even how. I have this thing in the 320 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: book that I call a prep flow. Every meal, you 321 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: have to choose what you're going to eat. You need 322 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: to have the food to eat it. You got to 323 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: prep it, make it, eat it, clean it up, and 324 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: then you do that again for every meal. And so 325 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: you're always like when those prep flows kind of like 326 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: bump into each other, that's when you cry because there 327 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: are too many dirty dishes in the sink. Or that's 328 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: when you're like, I can't eat and focus on dinner 329 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: because breakfast is still here from yesterday or whatever it is. 330 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: Because there's so many components in a kitchen, and I 331 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: cannot begin to tell you what should be in yours 332 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: based on what is in mind, because we have different priorities. Like, 333 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: that's just not fair for me to give you a 334 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: list of essentials. Essentials are only essentials if you use them. 335 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: If you don't use them, they're they're just a waste, 336 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: They're just noise. So this book, The Lazy Genius Kitchen 337 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: is helping you have what you need, use what you 338 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: have and then enjoy your kitchen. So there is a 339 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: five step process that's based on the lazy genius principles 340 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: that you can you can apply to any area of 341 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: your kitchen. But I do that for you and with you. 342 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: In the book over six areas your space, your meals, 343 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: your food, your plan, your prep, and your table. And 344 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: then there's this like beefy appendix basically that is full 345 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: of like all of these like tips and orders of 346 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: how to do things. And I mean it's just it's illustrated. 347 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: It is the prettiest. I just finished looking at the 348 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: last page proofs with like all of the illustrations and stuff, 349 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: and I wept over a drawing of a blueberry so embarrassed, 350 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: like it was just a funny thing. But this is 351 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: the book that I have wanted to exist. This is 352 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: if anybody listening is familiar with the book Salt Fat, 353 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: Acid Heat. It is a beautiful book. It is unlike 354 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: any other book because it teaches you kind of the 355 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: mechanics of flavor, right. It gives you tools of how 356 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: to make food taste good. I wanted to write the 357 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: Salt Fat Acid Heat for everything else in the kitchen, 358 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: and I think that's what I've done. So I'm just like, 359 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't be more excited. I know a lot of 360 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: authors are like, ooh, launch, I don't like this, and 361 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, get me to March now. I'm so excited 362 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: because it's so good. It's gonna just like transform people's kitchens. 363 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: I know it will. I just love it so much. Well, 364 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm excited too. If nothing else else, I'm gonna have 365 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: to like cut out that blueberry and frame it. So 366 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: we have very ever, no, well, our listeners will have 367 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: to check that out. I mean they probably want the 368 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: blueberry up on their walls too. So you've been recently 369 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: looking at your walls a lot because, as listeners of 370 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: Kendro's podcast or followers per on Instagram, dough her family 371 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: recently went through a rather long quarantine doing to all 372 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: have COVID, but not even at the same time you 373 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: had it. Sequentially, there was a domino infection. It was 374 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: very sad. Yeah, So, first of all, I mean, is 375 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: everyone doing all right? Now? Everyone's doing fine. I still 376 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: have the tiniest bit of congestion chess congestion, so does 377 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: my husband. His is worse than mine, and we're like 378 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: like ninety five percent taste, ninety percent breathing, like, we're 379 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: almost there. The kids are great. The kids were covered 380 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: really quickly, which is good. So we're almost back to normal. 381 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: But normal enough. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Well, wonderful, good 382 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: to hear it. So obviously, you know, great, that health 383 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: was okay. But but boy, being stuck in your house 384 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: for multiple weeks with everyone, how did that go for you? 385 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: It was fine? You know. It's funny because I realized 386 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: that it is ridiculous of me to expect that my 387 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: way of moving through quarantine, especially right now, it is 388 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: ridiculous for me to expect that it's going to look 389 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: the same, not even every day, but every hour. And 390 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: I think the difference because in the beginning, in the beginning, 391 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: when we started, when we found out our oldest was 392 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: positive from a school exposure. My husband and I are vaccinated, 393 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: but we had it was a strong man, and we 394 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: were just all in the house and there we go. 395 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: It happened and we all got sick. And I think 396 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: I thought on the first day that what we've done 397 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: this before. We did this last spring when everybody was 398 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: in lockdown and everybody was quarantine. We know how to 399 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: do this, but I did not realize the difference when 400 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: you're the only ones doing it, and that solid that 401 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: we sort of experienced as like a culture and a 402 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: country at least in the US, like last spring, that 403 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: was really valuable. And I didn't realize how valuable that 404 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: was in kind of the booying of the process, like 405 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: kind of booing my spirits, where it's like we're all 406 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: in this together, and then it's like, no, we're not anymore, 407 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: just your family. Hell yeah. Oh, and you know, then 408 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: you knew you weren't missing out on it. I think 409 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: if nothing was happening, but now you knew exactly what 410 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: you're missing out on because life is just continuing. Yeah, 411 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: and school had just started, Like we had been two 412 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: weeks in school, so my daughter had gone to kindergarten 413 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: for two weeks and then missed three. And it was 414 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: really devastating because she had just started getting to the rhythm. 415 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: She was nervous about going to school. You know, my kids, 416 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: my boys had started soccer. They missed their first two 417 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: practices in their first game because they're on the same team. 418 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was really a lot to kind of 419 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: navigate in the missing out not to mention feeling sick, 420 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: and because of the domino fact of the infections, my 421 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: oldest was isolated for a stretch. We were all masking 422 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: in the house for a stretch to try to keep 423 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: the youngest from getting sick. Like it was just trying 424 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: to make decisions that we believe were best for our family, 425 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: and doing that to a point publicly because I did announce, 426 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: like I feel everybody can make different decisions. That's the 427 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: whole thing about the Lacey Genius way is that you 428 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: have to decide what matters to you. It mattered to 429 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: me to share that we were in quarantine, to share 430 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: that we had positive tests, simply because I have seen 431 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: enough kind of assumptions and stigma around people who do 432 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: get COVID that I wanted to just kind of like 433 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: be a voice a little bit against that, as small 434 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: as it is to go like, yeah, we we we 435 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: were vaccinated, we got sick, we did all the right things. 436 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: You get sick, like, it's going to happen sometimes, and 437 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you did anything wrong or you're 438 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: a bad person or any of that. And so, but 439 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: even in sharing that publicly, the well meaning words from 440 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: people about what we should be doing or not doing. 441 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: It's a lot to carry, and we all have that 442 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: in our lives, you know, we all have that from 443 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: our families and our neighbors and our friends and whoever 444 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: telling us like, well, you should be doing this when 445 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: you have made a decision that you feel is best 446 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: for your family, and kind of having to carry the 447 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: emotional burden of other people's expectations too. So it was 448 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: ridiculous of me to expect that every day would feel 449 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: the same, and to also expect that it would just 450 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: be entertaining quarantine kids, Like, there were just so many 451 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: layers of things to deal with and it was really challenging, 452 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: and also it reminded me at the same time I 453 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: can experience the challenge of that and being sad. And 454 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: I had to cancel a work trip, I had to 455 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: cut another one short. We missed out on a lot 456 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: of things. I definitely cried because I didn't get to 457 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: go to my massage, Like I was very sad because 458 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to go ahead. I get it, Yeah, the massage. 459 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: You look forward to these things for weeks, and so 460 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: it would be dishonest of me and unkind to myself, 461 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: Like there's no self compassion there for me to be like, no, 462 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: get over it. I can hold that disappointment at the 463 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: same time that I can hold the recognition that our 464 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: family was really lucky. We are very privileged, we have resources, 465 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: we have a community, we have support. My husband and I, 466 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: both of our jobs were not impacted in a devastating way, 467 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: but us having to be home for two three weeks, like, 468 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: we really were in a great position compared to a 469 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: lot of people, and we can be grateful for that 470 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: and acknowledge that at the same time that we can 471 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: be disappointed about the experience. And so it's just very 472 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: complicated and nuanced, and I just don't think that we 473 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: as people are super good at holding complication and nuance, 474 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: especially when we are tired from being in a pandemic 475 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: this long. So it was something and I'm glad we're 476 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: out of it. But also we did it. We made it, 477 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: you know, it was okay. So yeah, And one of 478 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: the things said your podcast that was helpful for you, 479 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: I mean you in a recent episode and listeners might 480 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: want to go check this out. She talked about the 481 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: things she learned through the experience, but one of them 482 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: is that it helps to name how you are weak 483 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: under stress. Yeah. Now, we all have our things, like 484 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: when we are stressed, certain things happen to us. And 485 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: acknowledging that that is the specific thing that you are 486 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: going to do when you are stressed can be helpful, right, Yeah, yeah, 487 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: I realized. So I have a what I affectionately call 488 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: I have a caffeinated squirrel brain. It's just going greatly 489 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: fast all the time, little legs, and when I'm stressed out, 490 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: like that gets me a lot done, that brain does. 491 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: But when I'm stressed out, it goes even faster, and 492 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: it gets really neurotic and judgmental and kind of grippy, 493 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: like white knuckly, you know, like we've got to make 494 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: those work. We need a plan for everything. Like that's 495 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: the energy that's like I'm laying out my outfits for 496 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: two weeks because you want control over something thing, And 497 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: so knowing that that's my pattern, knowing that that's not 498 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: the easiest energy to live with, and also knowing that 499 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: that does not last for very long. Like that's me 500 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: for the first like four to five hours after big news, 501 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: after stressful news, I'm a maniac. And so I just 502 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: said to my husband, I acknowledge like, hey, babe, so 503 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm really stressed out right now. I need to make 504 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: a lot of lists. I need you to listen to 505 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: me verbally process all the things that we're missing out on, 506 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: and we're going to make a plan that we're probably 507 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: not going to follow, but it really is going to 508 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: help my brain calm down. And he, because he's a 509 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: lovely person, was like sure, and he went in the 510 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: living room and like, let me verbally go crazy on 511 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: all of these things that we didn't end up doing, 512 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: but it helped me calm down and naming that rather 513 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: than believing that that way was healthy, we're helpful, but 514 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: also not like stomping it down because you know it's 515 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: not healthy or helpful. It's like sometimes you just need 516 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: to do the thing, but you can bring it into 517 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: the life with people in a way, like that's another 518 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: relazy genius principles to let people in. You can bring 519 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: that insecurity, let someone into that and go, hey, I 520 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: know you love me even though I'm doing this, but 521 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: I need I need to do this. Can you do 522 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: this with me? And it's connective as opposed to protective. 523 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: You know, it just made us more on the same team. 524 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: But it sure was helpful to say that out loud. Yeah, Now, 525 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: I think it would help all of us to have 526 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: a good name for how we are weak under stress. 527 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: And I've been pondering that. I mean, I know exactly, 528 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: but anyway, we don't need to go into that. So Kender, 529 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: we always end with a love of the week. I 530 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: can go first, because you know, it would give you 531 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: a minute to think about it. Yeah, but hearing you 532 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: talk about, yeah, the quarantine experience, and one of the 533 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: things that I am loving is the fact that we 534 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: have rapid testing. Now, I mean that was I mean, 535 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys had to do multiple rounds of 536 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: testing with this, but just you know, back in the 537 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: first early days of the pandemic first that there weren't 538 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: any tests or you had to go, like you know, 539 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: wait in long with other Joermany people to go get 540 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: tested in various places. And of course now I mean 541 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: they just swab your nose, do it in twenty minutes. 542 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: If that, you know, just really helps. Yeah, that you 543 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: don't have that uncertainty hanging over you for nearly as long. Yeah, 544 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: So how about you, what's working for you right now? 545 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: Mine's very different than that. But one thing that is 546 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm really loving right now is vintage ribbon, like thrifted 547 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: ribbonka And Okay, so it's one of those things that 548 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: when you go to a thrift store or like we 549 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: have the store where I live called Reconsidered Goods, and 550 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: people it is a thrift store, but it's like a 551 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: lot of art supplies and you just make beautiful things 552 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: out of things that people think are trash and it's 553 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: so much fun. Well, anyway, a lot of places have ribbon, 554 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: have like just like a few feet of ribbon cut 555 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: from a school and for some reason, it's like fabricy, 556 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: it's got it's just got a lot of texture and 557 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: life to it. And I have been collecting it as 558 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: a kind of like a fun almost like little magic 559 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: question for holiday gift wrapping. Whenever I go to a 560 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: throught store, I'm like, I'm go see if we can 561 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: find some ribbon, and it brings me so much joy. 562 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: Now would that bring everybody joy? No? It would not. 563 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: But like I'm a pretty simple person in a lot 564 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: of ways from a style perspective, and so, like I said, 565 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: with my color in my wardrobe is glasses and lipstick. 566 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: My excitement in gift wrapping isn't ben to driven because 567 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: it's just like it's brown paper or white paper. But 568 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: finding all these ribbons and I match them to the 569 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: personality of the person giving it to. It's like so 570 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: silly but so much fun. But it's an unusual thing 571 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: that has really only been happening for this past year 572 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: where I've started to gather up the ribbon. So that's 573 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: what's making me. I'm staring at a stack next to 574 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: me right now. It's just been to driven. I love 575 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: that idea. Yeah, I know, wrap something very simple, but 576 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: have the cool ribbon and you know, if you can 577 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: explain how it matches the person's personality, that's a pretty 578 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: cool part of a gift as well. It's really fun. Yeah, well, 579 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, Ken, But why 580 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: don't you just, you know, quick, tell our listeners again 581 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: where they can find you. Yes, everything is the Lazy Genius. 582 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: So the podcast is the Lazy Genius Podcast. I'm on 583 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: Instagram at the Lazy Genius. The book is The Lazy 584 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: Genius Way, and the website where everything is is the 585 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: Lazygenius Collective dot com. Awesome, Well, please go check that out. 586 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: And Kendra, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, Laura. 587 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: All right, we are back with a question from a 588 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: listener who is feeling a bit overwhelmed. She writes, I 589 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: am feeling very overwhelmed. I'm in medical training with two 590 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: young kids. Please some solutions to help me cope. Yeah, well, 591 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: it sounds like it's gonna be a tough time. I 592 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: don't know there's a good way to sugarcoat this. And 593 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: it's funny because I've heard, you know, people sort of say, like, 594 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: particularly if they are married to men going through medical training, 595 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: that they must do everything because of course their spouse 596 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: is going through medical training. Clearly they can't do anything 597 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: else while going through medical training. That's completely ridiculous. You can, 598 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: in fact do other things, and many people have, as 599 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 1: we've discovered as a higher proportion of physicians are now female. 600 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: Turns out they could always do more. It's just maybe 601 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: men allowed themselves to believe they couldn't. But anyway, you know, 602 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: anytime we're going through a tough time and have little kids, 603 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: you have to have some fundamental rules for yourself of 604 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: what makes life sustainable. For many people, it's aiming to 605 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: get the sleep you can. Now I understand you're on 606 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: twenty four hour call or whatever. You're not getting enough 607 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: sleep that night. But maybe you know you have to 608 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: block out the time the next day not let stuff 609 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: get into it, that it has to be sacred. You know. 610 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it's that you are going to move for fifteen 611 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: minutes in the day, that having some sort of physical 612 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 1: activity makes it better, so you'll look at your schedule 613 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: or you seize an opportunity whenever that might be go 614 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: walk around outside for fifteen minutes and come back and 615 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: deal with your the rest of your training stuff after that. 616 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it's that you put one fun thing per week. Right, 617 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: It's probably not gonna be a full day at the spa, 618 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: but it could be, you know, a coffee with a friend, 619 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: or it could be a book you're reading that you 620 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: just you know you're gonna make time to read through 621 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: that book in the course of the week, or you know, 622 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: watching a favorite movie or something like that. But one 623 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: fun thing in the course of the week can really 624 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: give you something to look forward to. But you know, 625 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: having those fundamental rules that are just you know, little 626 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: things but make life feel doable for the time being 627 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: can really help. And then to know that this is 628 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: at least somewhat temporary. It's not that, you know, medicine 629 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: is an easy career by any means, but it does 630 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: get better once you are out of the training program. 631 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: And also your kids will grow up too. I mean, 632 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: you're just combining two really tough things at the same time. 633 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: Both of those are highly likely to get easier as 634 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: life goes on. So you know you are paying in 635 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: now for stuff that your future self will enjoy, and 636 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: so because you are thinking of it that way, feel 637 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: free to do things to make life okay in the 638 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: current model, knowing that you will pay it back later. 639 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: So again, if there's you need to spend more on 640 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: extra help, for instance, I know, you know while you're 641 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: in medical training you're probably not earning all that much, 642 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: but you will right Like, the reason you're doing this 643 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: is that you're going to get a higher paying job. 644 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: So it's okay to you know, not save much now 645 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: and know that that will come in time. Sarah, what 646 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: do you have to say about this? Yeah, we saved, 647 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: like before we had kids, we could save, but once 648 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: we had Annabelle, there was no savings. It was definitely 649 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 1: a net negative that we had kind of planned for. 650 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: And I think you kind of have to allow for that. 651 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: Definitely maximize those days off. You know, the one benefit 652 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: of being in residency training is that you're you know, 653 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: way your schedule may not be, you know, a cookie cutter. 654 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: You may work some weekends, which means your partner or 655 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: somebody else is going to help have to help out. 656 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: Then you might end up with a random Wednesday off 657 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: because as you know, you need to have four days 658 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: off per month, and so those might not always be 659 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: on weekend days. If you have a random Wednesday off, 660 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: you should feel zero guilt about sending your children to 661 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: childcare and enjoying some time for yourself, whether that's time 662 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: to rest or if you feel like you must kind 663 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: of split it, then you can always pick them up 664 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: a little bit early and have kind of some time 665 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: to yourself and some time with them. Do not tell 666 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: yourself a story about you're a bad parent or something 667 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: if you don't spend the entire day with your young kids. 668 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: Because if you're in medical training and have young kids, 669 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure your personal rejuvenation time is extremely scarce. I 670 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: totally agree with like less as you know, less can 671 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: be really meaningful, especially when it comes to things like exercise, 672 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: figure out kind of what your minimum effective dose is 673 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: and see how you can fit that in. Maybe it's 674 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: a hard fifteen to twenty minute high intensity interval workout 675 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: like three times a week and that makes you feel human, 676 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: but it really doesn't take that much away from your 677 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: busy schedules. So things like that, and you know, true 678 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: to this episode, figure out what you can lazy genius. 679 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to do everything. You're 680 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: not going to be able to, you know, have a 681 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: picture perfect tablescape for every holiday and also be working 682 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: in the ICU. So you're going to have to decide 683 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: ruthlessly on what matters to you and try to plan 684 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: in some fun and positivity because you know it is 685 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: not that short that you could just defer gratification entirely. 686 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: Sounds good, Well, hopefully this is helpful. I mean not 687 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: just people going through medical training, but anyone who has 688 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: intense period of their job and has small children. You 689 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: have to narrow the horizon a little bit and see 690 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: what will make each day sustainable and then probably tomorrow 691 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: we'll deal with itself too. All right, Well, we have 692 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: been talking with Kendra Adachi about being a lazy genius. 693 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: We will be back next week with more on making 694 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: work and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can 695 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at 696 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: the Underscores shoe Box on Instagram, and you can find 697 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been 698 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next 699 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: time for more on making work and life work together.