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Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Jills Stadium and the Gerrodmeo era continues. We're all

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Speaker 1: on the watch to see who he's hiring. We know

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Speaker 1: he's been interviewing or at least scheduling interviews with a

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Speaker 1: with that, will fill in what he knows so far.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators.

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Speaker 4: Special teams coordinators.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see what's going on there. But

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Speaker 1: you know, it's everyone's kind of on pins and needles

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Speaker 1: to see what happens with his staff. Not just us,

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Speaker 1: but people who are on the staff currently are interested

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Speaker 4: Who you think would be in that position?

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Speaker 1: All the trainers, all the nutrition is all.

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Speaker 4: That you met? Coaches? Yeah, yeah, no, that's true. You're

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Speaker 1: And I would say every coach too.

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Speaker 4: I ain't most of them kind of have an idea.

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Speaker 4: It looks like, you know, and I'll give the floor

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Speaker 4: to Evan with the ins and outs, but it looks

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Speaker 7: So I could definitely see him being the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 7: And I think a lot of these interviews, if you

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Speaker 7: Not not reported on publicly. Mike Reas did. I don't

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Speaker 4: If he were to stay, if you were to stay

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Speaker 1: I thought it was just because Bill was kind of

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I could see Bill thinking that way. I absolutely could,

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Speaker 1: But Jerry Jones might be like, oh, I don't want

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Speaker 4: But if you're forget about the interview part, because I

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Speaker 4: But if you're Jerry Jones and you just say to Bill, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But Jerry doesn't know he's going to make that

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Speaker 4: Like, to me, the amount of obvious excuse making going

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Speaker 4: I would have thought that Bill would be one of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Of course, It's the thing. If it was ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, That's that's the thing. Is like teams are like,

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Speaker 7: Like why you know? That's that's crazy. And and these

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Speaker 7: Bill is too, saying I'm not gonna I'm only doing

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Speaker 7: it if it's this way. I'm I'm not reporting to

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Speaker 4: And that's it.

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Speaker 7: And I think that in Atlanta they're they're saying, no,

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Speaker 4: So, like I said, he may not be coaching this year,

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Speaker 4: and I think that would be better for the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: First of all, it's gonna make Patriots fans feel better

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Speaker 4: to not have to watch them code somewhere else. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's the emotional part of it. But the practical side

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Speaker 8: It'll be interesting for the Falcons. I think obviously Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: That, because why not the Falcons.

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Speaker 7: Maybe maybe there was like the Falcons want to go

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And so I was just looking at it, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 8: who came from his tree, but he's younger, and yeah,

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Speaker 7: And a good program builder. And that's what could they

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Speaker 4: Respects I have a little of that going on.

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Speaker 7: He's seventy two years old, he's coming off a four

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Speaker 7: this version of Bill Belichick. You're not hiring the Bill

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Speaker 1: Is unless has unless Bill has a story privately about

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Speaker 4: But good on the people that are doing the hiring

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the reason why you're hiring Bill Belichick at this point,

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Speaker 7: And for a team like Atlanta, who's second fiddle in

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Speaker 7: bring some of that cachet, some of that sure, bravado,

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Speaker 4: And I think it. I understand it. We understand it

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I think first a first round pick for him? You

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Speaker 4: seven jobs, that's true, Like first round pick for a

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Speaker 1: I mean there's like what five openings right now as.

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Speaker 8: We say, yeah, Panthers, Washington, well, the Titans gonna be right, Panthers, Washington, Falcons, Chargers.

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Speaker 1: There's one more Commanders, You've got them.

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Speaker 4: The Buffalo Bills. But anyway, I actually think that he

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Speaker 1: But you know, those teams might be waiting for Detroit

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Speaker 7: That definitely sounds like the case in Washington. Washington, I

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Speaker 7: think is going to throw a whole lot of money

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Speaker 9: Or maybe they'll try to make the enemy their head coach.

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Speaker 4: I think that that's an unfortunate interview that was done

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Speaker 1: But Washington, So that's uh, that's the coaching carousel. The games,

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Speaker 1: I thought they were a lot better games than they

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Speaker 4: Really, yeah, yeah, three and a half great games?

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Speaker 4: like the game was terrific.

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Speaker 1: That was part of making it terrific for me.

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Speaker 4: Oh Like, I think they would have lost either way.

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Speaker 1: That's probably right because.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't stop them. Buffleto didn't stop Kansas City all day,

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Speaker 4: Kandsasy didn't stop Buffalo all day. They put they punt

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Speaker 7: Love the the Monday morning quarterbacking with Josh Allen on

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Speaker 7: and then we're talking like what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 4: Because when you are so insanely jealous of other teams

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Speaker 4: Now you watch watch the rip job that Mahomes will

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Speaker 4: get this week because everybody will, like last week it

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Speaker 4: but here, everybody will be rooting against Mahomes because he's

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Speaker 1: Or we got to keep him from being the goat.

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Speaker 4: Correct, right, But it's so transparent.

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Speaker 4: If that's what I said, I.

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Speaker 4: But you know the difference between you in most what

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Speaker 1: Exactly he won, and I don't want the chance to

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Speaker 4: I mean, the chances are overwhelmingly against that. But it

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Speaker 1: Like fabricating reasons to root against teams.

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Speaker 7: The problem, sure, the problem for Mahomes can't stand is

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Speaker 7: that his two other pillars are going to retire. You know,

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Speaker 7: any Read and Travis Kelcey are not in it for

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Speaker 7: the long call. Travis Kelcey is. Some are saying that

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Speaker 7: he might retire after this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to get married as well as Red.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Talks about it every year, So one of these

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So what happens to Mahomes? All time great player?

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Tamara's Eric b enemy for them.

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Speaker 7: If he, yeah, well they but they brought Matt naggy back.

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Speaker 7: The enemy going back there as the offensive coordinator again

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Speaker 4: But I do love those those games, and it's kind

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Speaker 4: I just want I want to I wanted to watch

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Speaker 4: what I said to Deuce. I said, who do you

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Speaker 4: think is happier right now? You for digs dropping that

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Speaker 4: He rescued it though when the game was on the

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Speaker 7: That's like the beauty of the of the argument though,

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Speaker 4: Well and he's learning something from you set yourself up

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Speaker 1: And Jordan love. You know, he's getting close into a

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Speaker 4: The way that people are talking about them is like,

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Speaker 7: No, he was probably one of the best quarterbacks in

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we didn't talk about the offensive coordinator candidates that

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Speaker 7: I knew. No, I'm just it's it connects, which I

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Speaker 4: But you just look at the field.

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Speaker 7: Just get me the khaki wearing you know, tight pants.

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Speaker 4: Like there was a bad guy, the Tampa guy I

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Speaker 1: Shanahan Tree guys already or something like that.

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Speaker 7: Three Ay McVeigh, tree guys on the same thing.

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Speaker 7: I don't know about Nick Keayley, Like who you you know,

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Speaker 4: One of them. He's one of them now, no, he

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Speaker 7: Like I'm telling you, like, he's the type of guy

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Speaker 4: Like I wasn't can and then they showed him in

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Speaker 4: the first drive the game. I'm like, Jesus, he's not.

442
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Speaker 4: He's going to be a head coach out of the

443
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Speaker 4: next in the next year or two.

444
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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely that that's that's the group like those are

445
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 7: the guys that are left standing or were even in

446
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 7: the divisional routes like left standing.

447
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 4: Get me one of those guys, please.

448
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: Shane Waldron might get a he got already already for him.

449
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 4: Now he's another one out of that tree.

450
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Speaker 1: Yea. He worked here though, No, yeah he did.

451
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 4: He also worked at local high school football.

452
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

453
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 4: Bos he went to school with Andy.

454
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 1: He went to school, but he coached it.

455
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he coached I was talking.

456
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 1: About his Yeah, he went to Toughs.

457
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 4: He went to Toughs after Andy. Yeah, I think Robinson,

458
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 4: I'm really intrigued by for the obvious reasons that Evan

459
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 4: talked about. With the connections I want with so we

460
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 4: got we got yeah, well yeah, the tight close Yes,

461
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 4: handsome gentlemen. We were getting a lot of spfws Fred

462
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 4: that are sort of, you know, asking why all of

463
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 4: a sudden we're changing because a couple of years ago

464
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 4: we weren't looking to change the offense. We were critical

465
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 4: of the you know, zone schemes in the running game,

466
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,479
Speaker 4: and I think people have misunderstood the criticisms were not

467
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 4: levied at the changes of the offense. It was levied

468
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 4: toward the fact that defensive guys with no base knowledge

469
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Speaker 4: of the changes were trying to implement them.

470
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Speaker 1: And plus they might have been putting a square peg

471
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: in a round hole with Mac Jones.

472
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that wasn't my concern. My concern mostly now, Look,

473
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 4: if you want to have Mac Jones running around throwing

474
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 4: bombs everywhere, yes, you're putting a square peg in around hole.

475
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 4: That's not his game. But my problem was when I

476
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 4: started to hear the players complaining about the fact that

477
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 4: they didn't have answers about the offense. It's that they

478
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 4: were trying to implement. Yeah, and you know, so to

479
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 4: go out and get a Zach Robinson or if it's

480
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: Kaylee or this pitcher guy who I'm not as familiar with,

481
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 4: is the other two they I'm going to assume they

482
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 4: know the offense they're going to be bringing. It's not

483
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 4: Matt Patricia and Joe Judge trying to put it in.

484
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: So I have a question though, because you have the

485
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Speaker 1: third pick, let's assume that they're going to take a quarterback.

486
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Speaker 1: Can you with with the three guys that are going

487
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: to be there, It's it's Caleb Williams, it's Drake may Or,

488
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: it's it's Jalen Jayden, James J. Daniels. Is it interchangeable

489
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: in terms of I already know what kind of offense

490
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: I have, I can put either one of those three

491
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Speaker 1: guys in, or do I have to wait to see

492
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Speaker 1: which guy I have before I start thinking about my

493
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: offensive philosophy.

494
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Speaker 7: I would say that if they are gonna take one

495
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 7: of these McVeigh guys, they should be doing everything in

496
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 7: their power to get Drake May on this football team.

497
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Speaker 4: It's not even remotely close.

498
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Speaker 1: So, but I didn't look at it that deep. I'm

499
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Speaker 1: assuming that any one of these good coordinators can work

500
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Speaker 1: with any one of these quarterbacks. It's just a matter

501
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: of how they're gonna work with them.

502
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Speaker 7: If they're gonna install the McVeigh system. Though, if that's

503
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 7: the base of the system, then Drake May is by

504
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 7: far the best fit for that type of suce. Why

505
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 7: because of the way he throws into the middle of

506
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 7: the field. This is an offense that is predicated on

507
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 7: in breaking routes. Right, Everything is breaking into the middle

508
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 7: of the field. And on top of that, you also

509
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 7: want to have a quarterback that can throw on the

510
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 7: move because you want to run bootleg.

511
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Speaker 1: But that sounds like all of them, Well, maybe not Daniels.

512
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 7: But we're talking about not talking about like improvising on

513
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 7: the move. We're talking about throwing on bootleg actions and

514
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 7: structure on the move. And you have to have that

515
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 7: ability to not only be able to throw accurately on

516
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 7: the move, but also be able to throw far accurately.

517
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: On the move.

518
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 7: So you started talking about guys like that in this draft.

519
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 7: You know, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels. They don't see the

520
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 7: middle of the field as well, they don't manipulate the

521
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 7: middle of the field as well. Drake May is a

522
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 7: carbon copy of a Matthew Stafford type of cars.

523
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Speaker 1: So when Girodmeo sits down with Steve Burton last week

524
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Speaker 1: and says that basically, we're gonna be picking a quarterback,

525
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Speaker 1: We're gonna be picking an important player at the most

526
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: important position, do you think that that means he loves

527
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Speaker 1: all three of them and he'll be happy with any

528
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: of those three or they have a certain quarterback other

529
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: than Caleb Williams, so they probably won't have a shot

530
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Speaker 1: at that they're gonna get And if you know, if

531
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Speaker 1: Drake May is that too, they're going to trade up

532
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: to get Drake may because that's the guy that they

533
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: really want.

534
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Speaker 7: I think it depends if when you get these guys

535
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Speaker 7: in for the interviews, especially the in person interviews, when

536
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 7: you get them up on the whiteboards and stuff like that,

537
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 7: what's your plan with Jaden Daniels? Because he's a unique talent.

538
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 7: It's it's a different type of quarterback. He's not going

539
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 7: to come in here and you know, hit the top

540
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 7: of the drop, get the ball out over the middle

541
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 7: on time, accurately with zip like that's just not his game.

542
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 7: So if that if that's your offense, if you're hiring

543
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Speaker 7: Zach Robinson and he's coming from the McVeigh tree, and

544
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 7: that's the basis of your offense, well what if we

545
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 7: have to draft Jaden Daniels? How are you going to

546
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 7: adapt that off.

547
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: But that's kind of like going to say, like unless

548
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Gerrod is head coach, Gerard Mayo is blowing smoke, how

549
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: can he be so certain that he's going to be

550
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: picking a quarterback at three.

551
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going to give him a little bit

552
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 4: of a mulligan, so he got maybe a little bit

553
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 4: over his skis No, I'm serious, right, Like I think

554
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 4: that they're excited. Well, I think that he My big

555
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 4: takeaway from you know, we're not even a full week

556
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 4: into the Mayo regime yet my big takeaway is he

557
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: is so intent on letting everybody know that he is

558
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 4: not Bill Belichick, that he's going too far a little bit,

559
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 4: you know, we can talk about a little bit about

560
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 4: his follow up interview he had yesterday with with the EI,

561
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 4: where he's talking about, Oh, we got cash to burn,

562
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: we're gonna be, We're gonna be spending money. We're gonna

563
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 4: be you know, like, I don't think that if he

564
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 4: probably went home later, yeah, I probably didn't need to

565
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 4: say that, you know what I mean. I think he's

566
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: just so intent on letting everybody know it's gonna be different.

567
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna talk to you guys.

568
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: Or is he crazy like a fox and he's saying, yeah,

569
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna be, you know, spending money, and then they

570
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: end up not spending money, and it's like, well, they

571
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: didn't let him spend money. He wanted to. He said

572
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: he wanted to, and they didn't let him.

573
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Speaker 7: I don't know, I feel like it's more like Red

574
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 7: Sox full throttle than anything. And that's what I'm concerned

575
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 7: about is that people going back to these interviews in

576
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 7: January come March and saying, you guys said you were

577
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 7: gonna spend money, and now T Higgins is a wherever

578
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 7: you know, and he's not a New England Patriot? What

579
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 7: the hell happened? Like that's the way I.

580
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: Look at Harrison? Oh god, oh god.

581
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: I we can talk about that. Some of it.

582
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 9: I do feel like off topic. Okay, Evan, how would.

583
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 8: You feel if so if they drafted Marvin Harrison but

584
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 8: they got a good veteran quarterback.

585
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: Like like who Baker Mayfield?

586
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 4: He's not leaving?

587
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 9: I mean, like a Cayler Murray or like a Justin Field.

588
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 8: I know you probably want Murray overfields, but what if

589
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 8: you were able to get one of those guys, but

590
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 8: you also got Marvin Harrison.

591
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 7: I just it's building backwards to me. And like the

592
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 7: Law the quicker that we realize that the good teams

593
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 7: that are currently standing in the NFL playoffs are built

594
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 7: inside out, the faster the Patriots will get back to contention,

595
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 7: And like drafting the receiver asked the Laws how Calvin

596
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 7: Johnson's career worked out for them? Like Hall of fame player,

597
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 7: first ballot everything. They won nothing with him because they

598
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 7: had nothing around him. You know, even when Stafford got there,

599
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 7: they still had Wards. And that that's the way I

600
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 7: look at it. You have to look at this as

601
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 7: a multi year rebuild. The receiver will come, it will happen.

602
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: But I I you got to be careful though, when

603
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: you take a situation like Detroit with Calvin Johnson and

604
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: use that and you know, brush with a broad stroke,

605
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, because that doesn't you know, just because Detroit

606
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: took Calvin Johnson doesn't mean they did everything else right. Yeah,

607
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, they could have screwed it up, so another

608
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: GM in Detroit they could have had Calvin Johnson and

609
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: then built it up correctly.

610
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: No, I mean, obviously there's a chance to do that everywhere,

611
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: and it's all about whether how many guys that you

612
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: pick right right, Like everybody wants to use the San

613
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 4: Francisco model without recognizing how difficult that.

614
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: Was and how lucky they got.

615
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you want to call it lusk whatever.

616
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: I'm not just gonna say that all these guys they

617
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: picked that were good were lucky.

618
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking with Rock Purdy one night.

619
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: Oh no, it doesn't have anything to do with Brock

620
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: Purdy that Like, this is Evans's kind of point that

621
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: you could they're so good that it's quarterback proof. Yeah, okay,

622
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: but people don't recognize how hard it is to hit

623
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: literally on a dozen draft picks, like not like but

624
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 4: I can do it, not like hit like Keon White.

625
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: Hit.

626
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: I'm talking about hit like I have a borderline Pro

627
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 4: Bowl All Pro at like literally a dozen spots that

628
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: I drafted, Like that's so hard.

629
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 7: But I can hear either argument, Like, it's not just

630
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 7: about the quarterback proof thing. To me, if you want

631
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 7: to make the argument that they should be taking the quarterback,

632
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 7: then fine. If you want to make the argument that

633
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 7: they should be taking Joe Alt, I also couldn't get

634
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 7: behind that as well. I can't get behind Marvin Harrison.

635
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 7: I just don't see how that gets you anywhere. Like

636
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 7: you're gonna have a quarterback that can't throw the ball,

637
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 7: that isn't protected, throwing to a receiver down the field

638
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 7: who's wide open. Great, and then what happened in between?

639
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 7: You know, and you look across the this final four

640
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 7: right now, every single one of them are built in

641
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 7: the trenches. They all are they all have great offensive lines,

642
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 7: they all have great systems around that. It's not there's

643
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 7: not a single team in the NFL this year who's

644
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 7: been worth anything that's had a really crappy offensive line.

645
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 7: It's been a really good year for Trench at play.

646
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think that if you put

647
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 1: your mind to it, or if you're smart about it,

648
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: you can build up that offensive line without having to

649
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: take a guy on the top ten.

650
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: That's my argument. I don't think you can. I don't

651
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 4: think you can be terrible on the by Who's going

652
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 4: to build that up?

653
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 10: Who's going to coach him? Well, that's well, that's not

654
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 10: part of it. You've got to have a good coach

655
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 10: point de Trot, like Detroit was. You know, I kind

656
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 10: of understand Fred's point about Calvin Johnson, like.

657
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Speaker 4: They don't have to be terrible everywhere else on the

658
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: team to be terrible coaching him. Right, you can make that, Jeff,

659
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Speaker 4: You know, they can make that argument for Joe Thomas.

660
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Speaker 4: You know, I like to bring my my my notes, right,

661
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Speaker 4: I got I got notes. We can we'll talk about

662
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Speaker 4: this later and stuff. But absolutely I agree. But I

663
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: just feel like that the line needs to be fixed.

664
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Speaker 4: Evan's point is like not arguable, Like they can't go

665
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Speaker 4: into another year with what they did up front last year.

666
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Speaker 4: I would argue that other teams lost a lot of

667
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: person Like Kansas City's tackles are not very good, but

668
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Speaker 4: it's a pretty good offensive line. They're really good in.

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Speaker 1: The middle and probably well coached.

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Speaker 4: And they also have the best quarterback in football who

671
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: covers for a lot. You know, the inefficiencies. I mean,

672
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Speaker 4: one of the biggest players in the game on Sunday

673
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Speaker 4: was that play where the two Bills go. It wasn't

674
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Speaker 4: a blitz. They disguised it perfectly. McDermott dialed it up

675
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: absolutely perfectly and had two guys coming, other guys dropping,

676
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Speaker 4: and my homes just ran right by the two guys

677
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Speaker 4: you know that one name. They climbed the pocket and

678
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: ran right by the two guys that went unblocked.

679
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Field, So you have a quarterback that can do that, right,

680
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Speaker 7: I hear that argument too. I just look at the

681
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 7: final four is the perfect example this year. All of

682
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Speaker 7: them are well built on the line, well coached on

683
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Speaker 7: the line. Across the board. You know, Kansas City had

684
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Speaker 7: one of the best offensive lines in football. This year,

685
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 7: Detroit has one of the best offensive Detroit.

686
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: San Francisco's I think stinks except for Trent Williams.

687
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Speaker 1: You see the difference.

688
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Speaker 4: But he's tremendous.

689
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Speaker 7: He's tremendous, and they have a really good scheme that

690
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Speaker 7: that's able to work around it. That's part of the

691
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 7: allure of this Shanahan tree is that they do make

692
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Speaker 7: life easier on the line because they move the pocket

693
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Speaker 7: so much. But like all these different things, do you

694
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Speaker 7: think Detroit is regretting taking Penny Steel.

695
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Speaker 4: No, but I can give you a lot of other

696
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Speaker 4: teams that are regretting taking tackles in the top.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of ways to do it.

698
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Speaker 1: And as long as most of the stuff you do

699
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Speaker 1: is right, you can be okay, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And that's why Evan's right, Like you you have to

701
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Speaker 4: figure out a way to pick players that are going

702
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Speaker 4: to help you. Now, I would probably be in the

703
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Speaker 4: middle of you two with Marvin Harrison and the tackles.

704
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Speaker 4: If it works, if you hit, then you just got

705
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Speaker 4: to hit the net. Like I don't think there's anything

706
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Speaker 4: wrong with taking Matt Light in the second round, you know,

707
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Speaker 4: Like it doesn't have to be Joe Alt at three

708
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Speaker 4: if but you can make a strong argument either way,

709
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Speaker 4: and I'll play Evans argument. There's a lot of really

710
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: good wide receivers that were taken third, fourth, fifth wide

711
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Speaker 4: receiver in the draft, just like there's a lot of

712
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Speaker 4: good tackles that would take in And I do have

713
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Speaker 4: the information the quarterbacks, I have my notes. I would

714
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Speaker 4: still go quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: I'm not like say like this is an argument of

716
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Speaker 7: would you take the tackle or would you take Marvin

717
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Speaker 7: Harrison Gay And that.

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Speaker 4: To me is the big difference because I have the

719
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Speaker 4: third quarterback taken in the last ten drafts, the third

720
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Speaker 4: tackle taken in the last ten drafts, third wide receiver.

721
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Speaker 4: By far and away, the better players are wide receivers

722
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Speaker 4: and tackles than the third quarterback. So if you want

723
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Speaker 4: to wait on a position that one ain't, ain't it

724
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Speaker 4: like if you I mean, if you can get it,

725
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Speaker 4: If you can get Drake May and that's the second quarterback,

726
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Speaker 4: I'm a reckon move. But if you get stuck with

727
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Speaker 4: the third one and then you decide you want to go,

728
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Speaker 4: you know what, I'm not gonna take it. I'm gonna

729
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: get bo Nicks in the second round. That's probably not

730
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Speaker 4: gonna work.

731
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but but you mentioned you said if you get stuck.

732
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Speaker 1: If I feel like I'm stuck and I gotta take

733
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, I wouldn't take them. No.

734
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Speaker 4: And that's where I like, I've been big they got

735
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Speaker 4: to get a quarterback in this draft. I've been big

736
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Speaker 4: on that. But if if it works that you don't

737
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Speaker 4: think as much of Jayden Daniels as you do may

738
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Speaker 4: and Williams, I think you have to take a tackle.

739
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: Or or or there's a guy later that you think

740
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Speaker 1: is just as good as Jayden Daniels And then wait.

741
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Speaker 4: I just you know, I'm just gonna tell you that

742
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 4: guy's not going to be as good either. I just

743
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 4: need to see.

744
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 7: This is probably a better conversation to have, like in April,

745
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 7: in the lead up into the draft, because if they

746
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 7: if they have a really strong coaching staff and they

747
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 7: have a good free agency and they're plugging. But the

748
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 7: problem is is that if you look at the offensive

749
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 7: lineman available and free agency, Mike on Win, who is

750
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 7: the best one. So you're going you're making the lateral

751
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 7: move even by bringing him back, you're not adding to anything.

752
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 7: The second best tackle is like Tyron Smith, who's one

753
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 7: hundred years old. Trent Brown is probably the third best

754
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 7: tackle available.

755
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: On the market.

756
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 7: Because these guys don't come available. There's not enough of them.

757
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 7: So if you have a good one, you're not letting

758
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 7: the good ones come available.

759
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Speaker 4: And that's what their approach last year. So curious. Yes,

760
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 4: they had some options. They had some options last year

761
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Speaker 4: with guys who quote don't come available, like Orlando Brown. Yeah,

762
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 4: that they could have made a run in run at you.

763
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Speaker 4: They chose not to the.

764
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Speaker 7: Last couple of years, the draft especially, but also last

765
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 7: year's free agency class with tackles, they just punted that

766
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Speaker 7: spot down the road consists instantly.

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00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: They started with Joe Toney. They screwed up and they

768
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Speaker 1: haven't recovered since all right eight.

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Speaker 4: So fred I thought back to the Drake may thing,

770
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 4: you know when when that was Evans pick for the

771
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 4: guy who most translates to that system, that ram system.

772
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 4: Did you see you know, did you watch much of

773
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 4: the Tampa game, the Lions in Tampa, like Jared Goff

774
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 4: tore Tampa apart. In between the numbers, the whole game,

775
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: everything was everything was down the middle, between the hashes,

776
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 4: between the numbers. That's that's that's where he comes from. Like,

777
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Speaker 4: I'm sure that Ben Johnson is calling a game with

778
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Speaker 4: the strengths of his quarterback in mind, you know, like

779
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: that's I mean, Gough was pretty good in that game.

780
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Speaker 4: I'll be curious to see how he plays outdoors because

781
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 4: he hasn't got away with a couple he hasn't played

782
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 4: Uh well, yeah, the one in the end zone to

783
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 4: Dean was a flat drop. He's got to catch that.

784
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 4: That was just a bad, bad, bad drop.

785
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 7: He's one of the best passers in the league when

786
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 7: he kept clean, and luckily they keep him clean a lot.

787
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 4: So, you know, a tough task with San Francisco, but

788
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Speaker 4: I just watching the way they approached it as Evan

789
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 4: was talking about what may does, Well, that's what I

790
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 4: was thinking, is the ram system that's Stafford Now it

791
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 4: was GoF then that's what they do, and.

792
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 7: It's it's not only is it being able to drive

793
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 7: the ball through the middle of the field, Like that's

794
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 7: a big part of it because you're throwing into these

795
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 7: tighter windows. Like Matthew Stafford made a throw to Pukua

796
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 7: Nakua in a wildcard round talk that was like a

797
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 7: twenty yard dig route that he'd fit between two defenders

798
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 7: and that in that system, that's the read like, that's

799
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 7: the throw that you have to be able to make

800
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 7: to make that system work. And you also have to

801
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 7: be able to manipulate openings into the second and third

802
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 7: levels between the numbers by looking guys off and moving

803
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 7: coverage or Stafford likes to do the no look passes

804
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 7: like those types of things. If you can't control the

805
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 7: middle of the field as the quarterback in that system,

806
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 7: it's really difficult to do. So if they adapt it,

807
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 7: you know, it's all all of it is condensed formations.

808
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 7: Middle of the field, three receiver like, that's what they play.

809
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 7: And if you are gonna draft Jayden Daniels, you want

810
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 7: him in a spread. You want the field wide open,

811
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 7: everybody spread out, and that way there he's it's simplifying

812
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 7: to read, and it's also allowing him to use his

813
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 7: legs when he needs to. If you're asking him to

814
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 7: just sit there and dice you up in the middle

815
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 7: of the field, that's not.

816
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Speaker 1: The guy I'd feel a lot better with if everyone

817
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: was making the pick. If with Mayo saying we're definitely

818
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: picking a quarterback. If I knew who our offensive coordinator

819
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Speaker 1: was you know.

820
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Speaker 7: But looking at all the interplace, this is, you know,

821
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 7: all three of those guys are connected to McVeigh in

822
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Speaker 7: some way shape.

823
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Speaker 8: How hard is it going to be. How hard will

824
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 8: it be to trade up to get Drake May?

825
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: Well, if you're going from three to two, I mean

826
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Speaker 1: you could you could swing that.

827
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Speaker 4: It's all dependent on Chicago and Arizona. If you stay

828
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: with Fields and Murray, then you can trade up.

829
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

830
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Speaker 4: But if they both, if they want Williams and may

831
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Speaker 4: you're not right. If that's not there's nothing you're gonna give,

832
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 4: really that's going to do that. The other thing that

833
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 4: really stood out to me over the weekend was just

834
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: how many throws were made by guys that I said

835
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: to myself, mackin Zaby can't make Oh absolutely not. Like

836
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: they can't move and make that throw from that arm

837
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 4: angle or from that's the game. That platform, that footwork,

838
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: that's the game.

839
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Speaker 7: Now, Like you have to be able to throw from

840
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 7: a muddied pocket without your feet set. If you can't

841
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 7: drive the ball without having a perfect you know, feet set,

842
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 7: step into it and throw then there, that's just not

843
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 7: gonna happen. The pass rush is too good now they're

844
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 7: too good at disguising the rush. There's too many good

845
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 7: edge rushers coming up the you know, around the corners

846
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 7: on you and stuff like that.

847
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Speaker 4: And it wasn't just that. It wasn't just Mahomes and

848
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 4: Allen either like your guy let Bake or Bake who

849
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: didn't have a great game, but he made some unbelievably

850
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: ridiculously good throw this.

851
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just screwed up at the end. All right, Well,

852
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: I miss rooting for the other team.

853
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Speaker 4: He missed some throws in the game, but he but

854
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Speaker 4: I thought he gave his team a chance to win.

855
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Speaker 4: If I would Tampa, I'd be take another run with him. Yeah,

856
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: I would say, you know it works. They liked him.

857
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 4: I think you have a chance to get Mike Evans back.

858
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Speaker 4: Yeah I would. I would roll it. I would roll

859
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Speaker 4: it back. It's a bad division that you probably would

860
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Speaker 4: be favorite to win again.

861
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Speaker 1: All right, eight five five past five hundred is the

862
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Speaker 1: ace ticket hutline web radio at patries dot com is

863
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: the email address. Let's see what you have to say.

864
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Speaker 1: Dan's in New Jersey. What's up Dan?

865
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Speaker 8: Hi?

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Speaker 11: Everyone? So, as we you know, were waiting on Bill

867
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Speaker 11: to see if he gets a bite, I have a hypothetical,

868
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Speaker 11: just cheered me out. But also in a side, Today's

869
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Speaker 11: the nineteenth anniversary of the NFC Championship game against the Steelers,

870
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Speaker 11: and in my news feed I get a clip. It

871
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Speaker 11: seems like every day just a reminder of just how

872
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Speaker 11: good we had it for so long. And in this

873
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Speaker 11: particular clip, it's Harrison intercepting, you know, Ben Roethlisberger taking

874
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Speaker 11: to the house. Right, the game is twenty four to three,

875
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 11: it's almost half, and then they cut to Bill and

876
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 11: he's chewing out some poor offensive lineman. I think I

877
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 11: may have been Keith Trailer or something. But you know,

878
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 11: here's the this is probably crazy, and you know, and

879
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 11: and as fans, you know, we tend to think about,

880
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 11: you know, a player's legacy more than the principles involved.

881
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 11: But hear me out. Do you think there was ever

882
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 11: a chance that Bill and Tom would have gone out

883
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 11: together or you know, obviously they're two big egos, and

884
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 11: obviously neither one was done five years ago, But do

885
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 11: you think if kraft Is sat him down and said, listen,

886
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 11: give me one year, can you go out together?

887
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 4: You know the.

888
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 11: Greatest coach player relationships, he could play it up like this.

889
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 11: You know, the fan base will eat this up.

890
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think both of them wanted to think. Yeah,

891
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: I think both of them wanted one more year. I

892
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: didn't they you know, they don't want to be told

893
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: you can only go one more year and go. You know,

894
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: it'd be great if he went out together.

895
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: And I don't think they could be told that.

896
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom wanted more money as a sign of respect

897
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: and not just want money. He wanted, yeah, you want

898
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: to be wanted and to show that. He wanted a

899
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: longer term contract for market money. And Bill wasn't gonna

900
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: give him, and Robert sided.

901
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: With Bill, and you weren't gonna be able to tell

902
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: Bill and Tom you need to do this like they

903
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 4: had to want to do it. And I don't think

904
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 4: Bill wanted Tom back, and because of that, I don't

905
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: think Tom wanted to be bad.

906
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: Sentimentality wasn't gonna make it out and Thankstan. And you know,

907
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: if there's anyone that could convince somebody to do it's Robert.

908
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: He's a master negotiator and diplomat, but not in this case.

909
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: He couldn't do it.

910
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: In this case.

911
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 7: I wonder, in hindsight, if they would have rather have

912
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 7: treated twenty eighteen as the last dance, like you're right

913
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 7: off into the sunset.

914
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: I still say, I still say Brady might have retired

915
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: after that Eagle Super Bowl if they had won it.

916
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 7: I'm not necessarily saying retired. I just wonder if maybe

917
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 7: that would have been a better split than hanging on

918
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 7: for the extra year in twenty nineteen.

919
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 4: So just out of curiosity, And I'm not saying you're wrong,

920
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 4: because who knows. We don't know. If they had won

921
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 4: in seventeen, he would have retired. But he comes back

922
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 4: for eighteen and they do winep and he didn't retire.

923
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: No, because then it was different. I think what happened

924
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: Giselle is part of this. There's a lot of factors

925
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: that his mind, even over twelve months, completely kind of shifted.

926
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: But I think after the seventeenth season going into eighteen,

927
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: I think in his mind, you know, for the sake

928
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: of his marriage and everything else that was going on,

929
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: this would be good. I can quit if we win.

930
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 4: But for the sake of his marriage, he decided I

931
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: gotta come back.

932
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: And then and that screwed up. Giselle was like, you

933
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: know what, I'm.

934
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 4: Done, But that was a long time after that that

935
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 4: he was Yeah, I thought she was.

936
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: I just think that I have a feeling that.

937
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: He would have been frames not really on here, you know.

938
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: He would have been okay if I'm.

939
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 4: Not telling you, you're wrong. I don't know what was

940
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 4: in just the sence I have.

941
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: And then afterwards, like you know, like he won two

942
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: others after that, Yeah, I know, but oh I know that,

943
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: and I think he kind of in his mind he

944
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: got re energized again.

945
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 4: But that's when he went to Tampa.

946
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the chip got back on his shoulder.

947
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: You know, Like I would have said, if he was

948
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 4: going to retire after seventeen, right, if they won, why

949
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: wouldn't you have retired after eighteen? Do the even thing

950
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: like treated as the last dance. Instead, he came back

951
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: from nineteen here. I know this was before re energized.

952
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: So I know here he came back for nineteen and

953
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 4: he was.

954
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: The most miserable eight and no quarterback. Yeah.

955
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 4: Now maybe he wishes he retired after the eighteenth. Yeah,

956
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: because of the way he pouted through the nineteen Yeah.

957
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 7: The nineteen season was a waste of all of our times,

958
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 7: Like he wasn't happy, he didn't play well.

959
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 4: You know what else it was, It was the dawn

960
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: of the Deuce era. Yeah, we haven't had any we

961
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 4: haven't had a nice thing since.

962
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: That's part of it. That's part of it. Let's go

963
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: to uh Eldred in North Carolina? What's up? Aldred?

964
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 12: Hey?

965
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 5: Hey, let's tell y'all doing all right?

966
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: Well, say hi to Samara first and individual to get

967
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: you yet.

968
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 5: But I got a question. But uh, excuse me, Fred

969
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 5: heard something skipped Bayless. Uh, y'all was talking about Robert

970
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 5: and Bill a few minutes ago, right, yeah, okay, according

971
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 5: to Bayless, because he was hoping the Harbor go to

972
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 5: Chicago San Diego and he said, hope Bill didn't get

973
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: it and said him and Robert had a fall out

974
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: after the nineteenth when he told Robert that Bill that

975
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 5: Tom was done and he wanted to move on and

976
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: he went and did it then he then he said,

977
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 5: Robert said, didn't he go win the efton Super Bowl?

978
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: That you know there was cold for for a couple

979
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 5: of years. Yeah, they've been like not speaking. Is that

980
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 5: I don't know.

981
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: It was part of seth Wickersham don Van not Yeah,

982
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: I don't know.

983
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. S P. N I could hear Roberts

984
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, I could, you know, and then

985
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: he goes and wins the Super Bowl and I could,

986
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: I could, But I don't know if that's true or not.

987
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't know going to.

988
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 5: A different But other than that, I'm just uh, I'm

989
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 5: not gad about it. Is just waiting to see.

990
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are we waiting to see? Yeah?

991
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 5: Everybody? Everybody? He won't great, great May and Caleb Williams.

992
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 5: Like I said before, Caleb just came out saying he

993
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 5: don't want to If New England drafted me, ain't gonna play.

994
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 4: And he also said he wasn't coming out of school.

995
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: How'd that work?

996
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 5: He came out of too, But think would do that?

997
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know he'd play for the You know,

998
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: I will make a prediction that he'll play for the

999
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 4: team that drafts him. That'll be That'll be my prediction. Now,

1000
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 4: there's a couple of examples where that didn't happen. Right,

1001
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: Elway and Eli Manning both did this and did that

1002
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: and didn't play for the Chief.

1003
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: What happened?

1004
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 4: What happened to Biggie?

1005
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: Yep? He wants to listen Melvin's and Tennessee. Hey, Melvin,

1006
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: I like going back and forth with Biggie.

1007
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 13: He's hey, hey, I got a quick thing, I guess.

1008
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 13: But with new coaches and you know, Gerard and a

1009
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 13: lot of those plays, I've only been coaching for five years, right,

1010
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 13: So with that, like short stance, I've always wondered, like,

1011
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 13: what is I guess feel done within these last couple

1012
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 13: of years to kind of prepare, evaluate, give different roles?

1013
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 13: Like what do you do with those type of young coaches.

1014
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 13: Let's say he's coming in. He's good at one thing, obviously,

1015
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 13: but how do you develop them? Do you put them

1016
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 13: in different roles? Do you give them practice things like

1017
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 13: the scrimmages and like maybe preseason games, but how.

1018
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: Do you kind of well, didn't we hear about develop them? Yeah,

1019
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: didn't we hear about Gerard getting involved in other facets?

1020
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Like I think he might have gone on some scouting

1021
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: trips or some tryouts. He might have been involved and

1022
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: maybe some negotiations at some point. So I think he

1023
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: did get exposed to other parts of the team from

1024
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: a scouting and business standpoint.

1025
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.

1026
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 7: He was in the offensive coordinator interviews last year. Yeah,

1027
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 7: and the offensive line coach some of those interviews as

1028
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 7: well worked out guys privately in the draft. Christian Zales

1029
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 7: went out to Oregon and had a visit with Christian

1030
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 7: Goanzalees out in Oregon before the draft, so he was

1031
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 7: more involved in the scouting person, you know, CEO type

1032
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 7: of thing.

1033
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: Do you think that was Bill saying, Hey, Gerard, come

1034
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: and come on and do this, or do you think

1035
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: it was Robert Craft saying I want girod to get

1036
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: involved in this.

1037
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 7: Well he did it, at least reportedly did it with

1038
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 7: Josh McDaniels, and that was the whole thing. And McDaniels

1039
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 7: came back with the Colts was I will open my

1040
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 7: world to you and show you how it's done right,

1041
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 7: you know sort of thing, And I think was sort

1042
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 7: of the handshake agreement with Gerard as well.

1043
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 4: Okay, but I think my answer would be Robert for

1044
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: both of those. Yeah, McDaniels, and I think that was

1045
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: something that Robert went to Bill and said.

1046
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: We need a succession plan to do this. We need

1047
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: to start thinking about the future, and we need to

1048
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: start exposing these people. You can't keep everything here, Bill,

1049
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: we need to start getting other people exposed to these things.

1050
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: Maybe just that's I mean, not a fact.

1051
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: Just guessing. Uh, Tyler's in Virginia beach a Tyler.

1052
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 12: My opinion is, you know, we need to go after

1053
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 12: more offensive lineman and check up our defense because we

1054
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 12: don't need another quarterback. Because you know, after watching last

1055
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 12: season with this with a sophomore year, I feel like

1056
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 12: Bailey's Appy's our guy?

1057
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: Are you kidding us? Is this a put on? Is

1058
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: this a work?

1059
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 8: And?

1060
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah he's kidding. Yeah, yeah, you're kidding. Okay, thanks Tyler.

1061
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 4: He waited a while for that.

1062
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Traceman solely put it over the top. There

1063
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 7: are people out there that are still somehow pro one

1064
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 7: of these guys that is currently on the team.

1065
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 4: I don't know how, but they are.

1066
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 8: If you wanted to call and say, like Mollie Cunningham,

1067
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 8: I wish you would have seen more of him.

1068
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 9: Maybe, but like.

1069
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: Trace, yeah, speaking to Mac, your guy Greg Bagard causing

1070
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble.

1071
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 4: I wanted to I wanted to get into that, like, yeah,

1072
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 4: so I forget about Baard for a second. How can

1073
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: I know we'll get back to him. You can, you

1074
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: can give you can give those the details of what

1075
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 4: he said, I can't read his stuff anymore, so you

1076
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 4: can fill me in. You can't stomach it, or you

1077
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: don't have to. You don't have the path the stuff.

1078
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 4: The credentials that Stacy gave us don't work for that

1079
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 4: site for me. All the other sites they were stop

1080
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: paying Greg Oh.

1081
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: Okay, the clips that they send there on like our

1082
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: PR department sends morning clips and it's all just to

1083
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, they've gathered all the headlines about the Patriots

1084
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: and they put him in one condensed form. But if

1085
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: if it's a paywall, you can't read it.

1086
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: But he gives he does give credentials to log into

1087
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: those he does and they work for everything else. It

1088
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 4: just doesn't work when I try to do it for BSJ.

1089
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: Can we just like cut and paste them?

1090
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Speaker 7: So complaining about somebody else making this very easy on

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Speaker 7: the mac Jones.

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Speaker 4: The mac Jones thing bugged me because there were five

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00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 4: players that were at Gerard Mao's introductory press conference, and

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00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 4: he was one of them, and suddenly that became might

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00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: he be back next year? Like that was that was

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Speaker 4: one of your guys.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 4: We jumped through hoops to find some long road to

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Speaker 4: Grandma's house. Every single time, and I don't really understand it.

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Speaker 4: The fact that he was present at the press conference

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Speaker 4: is telling you that they think that he could be

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Speaker 4: back next year. Let's start.

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Speaker 1: That's not what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you're talking about a counteraction to that report that

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00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 4: those reports, which you can go ahead, Well.

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00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: No, your guy and I didn't read it either. So

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00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: if I'm not getting this one hundred percent right, I apologize.

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00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: But he had a source being a player saying what's

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00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: he doing there? He's you know, his locker has been

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00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: cleaned out and he comes in workout stuff like he's

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00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: been here.

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00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 4: Called him out for being fraudulent and said there's not

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Speaker 4: even a hanger in his locker and that I saw

1114
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: her on Twitter, the hanger and the locker thing I

1115
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 4: saw on Twitter. Fam laugh.

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Speaker 8: It was weird to seeing him there, like the the Bentley's,

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00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 8: the John Jones is Devin mccordy's like that.

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00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 9: That wasn't weird to me see mac Jones there.

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Speaker 4: That was strung. I don't I don't mind that he

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Speaker 4: was there.

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Speaker 1: Just to me, he's under contract, this.

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Speaker 4: Friend, I'm with you a thousand percent.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he Why.

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Speaker 4: Does it mean that he's he's he should start next year, right,

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00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 4: he can't like I don't understand. But he's on the team,

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00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 4: and he went to the press conference of his new coach.

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Speaker 1: I get it. Even the people that are detractors have

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Speaker 1: to admit that he's a workout warrior.

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Speaker 4: He I think think these detractors would say he's not.

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00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 4: But Bill, he did not look like a warrior, said

1131
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 4: press conference.

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00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: Then early, he's he's out late, he puts in the work.

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Speaker 1: Everyone says that. I've never heard. I've never heard anyone say, oh,

1134
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's not. He doesn't put in the effort,

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00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: you know. So I can absolutely see him being here.

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00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 4: I'm with her. I'm with Greg's source on this, Okay,

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00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 4: I am I just like.

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Speaker 7: I don't feel as though Mac. I think Mac does

1139
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 7: this type of stuff as politics.

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 4: That's how I feel.

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00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 7: I think he does this kind of stuff because he

1142
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 7: knows it's gonna look good in the owner here. The

1143
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 7: owner already likes, has a soft spot for him. We

1144
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 7: know that, and and he's gonna see him. It's not

1145
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 7: a mistake that the guys that were there. I don't

1146
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 7: think that Jonathan Jones and Jwan Bentley just showed up

1147
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 7: because they felt like it.

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00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: What do you mean you think they were asked to

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00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: be there?

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00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, because those are two guys that are very

1151
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 7: representative of the organization to stand up guys once an

1152
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 7: actual captain and Jonathan Jones might as well.

1153
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 4: Be a captain Man of the Year kind of guys.

1154
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 7: And both of them had scrumps afterwards and talked to

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00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 7: the media about Girod, which I.

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00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: Thought was odd, okay and interesting unless they were no

1157
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: no asked, hey, can you represent players up there? Yeah,

1158
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: now I could see that being.

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00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 7: And then and then Mac comes in and I agree,

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00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 7: like and then some of the other people on the beat,

1161
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 7: who maybe they've talked to people I don't know, have

1162
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 7: squashed this and said that this is what he does.

1163
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 7: But what he has done working out in the facility

1164
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 7: last year doesn't mean that he's working out in the

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00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 7: facility this year.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. But again, like I kind of not that

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00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: I listen. I'm not advocating him to be the starting

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00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: quarterback next year. But you know, he's a human being.

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00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: He was a captain, he's under contract, he's still part

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Speaker 1: of the team until further notice.

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Speaker 4: I have no problem with him being the.

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Speaker 1: People do.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's a lot of people who his

1174
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 4: teammates aside his teammates seemed like they did because they

1175
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 4: feel like he was his teammates that that we were questioning,

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00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 4: you know, his motives. That's different. I'm not questioning his motive.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying I don't understand how that it's I read

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00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 4: one piece and I don't remember where that said. They

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00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: literally took him out of the weight room that day

1180
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: and he came upstairs. He happened to be in the

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00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 4: weight room that day and he came up like, I'm sorry,

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00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 4: that's not part of the conversation at all. Like I

1183
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 4: think you're trying to portray something that isn't there. Like

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00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 4: Evan explained this, he works harder than everybody else, kind

1185
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 4: of thing, which I think probably rubbed some players the

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00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 4: wrong way because they don't think it's true.

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Speaker 7: I just I don't have no problem with him being there.

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00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 7: Most angles that you guys have already broughten up. I

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00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 7: just think that this is a player that has already

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Speaker 7: lost faith in the locker room, Like the locker room

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00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 7: does not believe in mac Jones at this juncture, right,

1192
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Speaker 7: And I think that he goes about certain things and

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00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 7: it's not necessarily on purpose or malicious or anything like that,

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00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 7: but he him being there, I think is him playing

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Speaker 7: the game.

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Speaker 4: I think it's him.

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00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 7: It could be, and I think that a lot of

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00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 7: ways he carries himself like a starting quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: I agree with Fred to an extent that I think

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Speaker 7: that he does put a lot of work into it.

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00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 7: I think that he does watch a lot of film

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 7: and work out it is do it. He does all

1203
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 7: of the right things, but when it gets on the field,

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00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 7: it doesn't translate.

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00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: Just my point would be, I guess, in a nutshell,

1206
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 4: I don't need my quarterback in the middle of January

1207
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 4: in the weight room as proof that he works hard.

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00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 4: I don't need that.

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Speaker 1: To me.

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Speaker 4: It's performative, But if he wants to do it, I

1211
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 4: don't need it. I'd rather have him working on film,

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00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 4: you know, doing something else, or trying to figure out

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Speaker 4: how I.

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Speaker 1: Think I'm gonna lift it a weight in his life.

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Speaker 4: This is true, and I was trying. I was, I

1216
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,479
Speaker 4: was going to get to something on that, but never mind,

1217
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: all right, But I do think that there is an

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00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: element of him sort of maybe trying to figure out

1219
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: a way to get out of here, and he figures

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00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 4: that might be the best way.

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Speaker 15: And we're back with another edition of the U Halftime Show.

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Speaker 15: Faith Well joining me again as always, and we have

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Speaker 15: some trivia. I don't even know if they're reading the

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00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 15: trivia anymore, but we're doing it. If they read it

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Speaker 15: on air, you're gonna win something. Send your answers in

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Speaker 15: the web radio at Patriots dot com. So here's question one.

1250
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 15: I guess we got a little playoff themed trivia here.

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00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 15: Faith came up with these, so if they're not factually accurate,

1252
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 15: it's on her. But question one, what was Arrowhead Stadium

1253
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 15: called before it was officially named Arrowhead Stadium?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 15: Question two? What was the first Super Bowl championship for

1256
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 15: the Ravens? Who did they beat in? What was the score?

1257
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 15: And question three, what's the name of the Lions mascot?

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Speaker 15: The lovable losers now the lovable winners to say, don't.

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Speaker 1: Go on that now, all right?

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Speaker 15: So we got some some start bench cuts real quick.

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Speaker 1: Fay came up with these.

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Speaker 15: I'll read them but we'll see what we got, So

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Speaker 15: start Bench, cut QB Edition, Rock Party, Lamar Jackson, and

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Speaker 15: Josh Allen.

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Speaker 16: Okay, So when I was coming up with these, I

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00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 16: tried to pick like top three or bottom three things

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00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 16: so it wouldn't be like obvious answers. So and since

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Speaker 16: we're in the playoffs, I'm gonna think of this as like,

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00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 16: I'm in the playoffs, who do I want leading my

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00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 16: team at QB one. I think I'm gonna start Lamar.

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00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 16: I know he doesn't have a great record in the

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00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 16: playoffs as of right now, and I know that there's

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00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 16: some like there was some question around him, like winning

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00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 16: at home and stuff like that. But I think in

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00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 16: terms of like command of the offense, being able to

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00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 16: find a way to win, and just like the guy

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00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 16: that I would want to trust my team with, I

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00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 16: think I'm starting Lamar. I think I'm benching Party, and

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Speaker 16: I'm gonna have to have to cut Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: Was there some recency buyas to that.

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01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 9: No, Because honestly, I wanted the Bills to win.

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 16: I thought the Bills could find a way to win,

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01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 16: and I think Josh Allen is somebody who certainly has

1284
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 16: the talent and can get it done. But I think

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 16: in crunch situation he tries to be somebody he's not,

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01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 16: or at least he pushes himself and puts the team

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01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 16: not in danger. But I think, like early on in

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01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 16: the season, we saw him trying to make plays that

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 16: just weren't there, trying to be more like Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 16: And I think when it comes down to crunch.

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Speaker 4: Time, I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I wouldn't want Josh Allen at my QB one necessarily.

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Speaker 1: I might have to pick.

1294
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 15: I'm gonna flip flop Party and Josh Allen just because

1295
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 15: Party's got the All Star cast and I like the bit.

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Speaker 15: I don't like the Bills. I like Josh Allen by yeah,

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Speaker 15: and as much as I love seeing them lose it

1298
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 15: spin It's spin Oh so great, all these these losses

1299
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 15: to Mahomes just aren't his fault.

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Speaker 1: I know he is a.

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Speaker 15: Kicker missing a forty four yard field goal, he scores

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01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 15: with fifteen seconds left, and then they score with thirteen left,

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Speaker 15: So I'm gonna flip that for that.

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: For now, I'm gonna see.

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Speaker 15: I'm interested to see what happens with Party when he

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Speaker 15: it's time for him to actually get paid, and then

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Speaker 15: we got his Avengers cast up for contracts again soon,

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Speaker 15: so that'll be interesting. Yeah, all right, we'll go number two.

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Speaker 15: All right, we'll go number three. We'll go three coaches addition,

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Speaker 15: Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 4: This is so tough because these are three of my favorites.

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Speaker 15: I feel like, all the first I don't hear what

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Speaker 15: you got? All right, I got, I got Andy Reid first,

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Speaker 15: Mike McDaniel second, Kyle Shanahan cut him.

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Speaker 1: And here's here's my reasoning.

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Speaker 15: He's just we talk about players not having the clutch factory.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan doesn't have it.

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Speaker 15: I think one if McDaniels, I don't know if he's

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Speaker 15: hooked to TUA. Yeah, I can't really trust to it

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Speaker 15: right now. Shanahan's blown twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: To three mm hm.

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Speaker 15: Was he was the oc for that got the the

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Speaker 15: forty nine Ers Super Bowl against the Chiefs. Just it's

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Speaker 15: he always goes wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like this.

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Speaker 16: Is tough because, like I personally I love Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 16: I think he's a very hilarious, fun, like good culture guy.

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Speaker 16: I feel like we haven't seen quite enough of the

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Speaker 16: Dolphins in him, Like Andy Reid is someone who's been

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Speaker 16: around the league for so long, so I feel like,

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Speaker 16: you know, he's so established. I think I I would

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Speaker 16: agree with your list. It's tough to cut Shanahan because

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Speaker 16: I feel like he's had such an impact on offenses

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Speaker 16: around the league, Like you can recognize certain like Shanahan

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Speaker 16: schemes when you see it, and so I think that's

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Speaker 16: it's tough to cut him. But I think you're right

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Speaker 16: about that clutch factor. And so all right, we'll agree

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Speaker 16: with Andy Reid, Mike McDaniel, and Kasha.

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Speaker 15: Let's see what happens at the end of this year.

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Speaker 15: Maybe maybe he wins it all go line. Imagine I

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Speaker 15: like this one, all right, Bill's Mafia Chiefs Kingdom Ravens.

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Speaker 4: Flock, so.

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Speaker 16: Truthfully, that might be my order. That actually might be

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Speaker 16: my order. I feel like you gotta start Bill's Mafia.

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Speaker 16: I mean, you got fans out there shoveling snow, shoving

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Speaker 16: their seats. I of course, being on the outside, they're

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Speaker 16: kind of obnoxious, but I can't imagine how fun it

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Speaker 16: must be to be a part of that fan base.

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Speaker 16: And if you're fully bought in, like all the ups

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Speaker 16: and downs, the snow games, Like, I just think they

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Speaker 16: are ride or die, And I think if you were

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Speaker 16: a part of it, you love it a lot more

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Speaker 16: than when you're outside of it. So for that reason,

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Speaker 16: I feel like I gotta start Bill's mafia. Chiefs Kingdom

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Speaker 16: has my my Queen, Taylor Swift, so I'm gonna go

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Speaker 16: with them at the bench. And then Ravens Flock. They're dedicated.

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Speaker 16: But out of the list of.

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Speaker 15: I got Ravens Flock, start them. It was benching Bill's

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Speaker 15: Mafia for the reasons you said. I think they're just

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Speaker 15: getting a little cocky for no reason.

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Speaker 9: If you were a part of it, you would be

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Speaker 9: obnoxious too.

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Speaker 15: I'll win something, win something. I'll put them number one.

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Speaker 15: And Chiefs Kingdom they are, they're they're new. It's got

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Speaker 15: lucky with my Yeah, it's come on like they are.

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Speaker 15: They are, they are the worst. Like they gotta go.

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Speaker 15: It's got them got Ravens, Ravens Flock. I think you'll

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Speaker 15: see them when the Baltimore Ravens go to the super Bowl, Okay,

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Speaker 15: and you'll see what happens. But uh, Faith, that was

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Speaker 1: History.

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Speaker 4: Animals get in.

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Speaker 1: You put a bunch of cord over there, but that

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Speaker 1: doesn't take it that it doesn't. I just put a

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Speaker 1: bunch of cord over the lids.

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Speaker 4: So the animal so Eric and I just like wait

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Speaker 4: until the morning I wake up. Take the barrel, push

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Speaker 4: it out in from the garage to the front, and

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Speaker 4: I owe you might you might have a lot. You

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Speaker 4: have to take it on the grounds. So from your

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Speaker 4: house to the street is probably. But I also have

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Speaker 4: humbersome projects. But for me it's like two inches.

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Speaker 1: But you know I don't have sandwich right the sandwiches

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Speaker 1: say get deliveries, yes, okay, wait right, so when you

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Speaker 1: get your deligen you immediately break down the box. Yes,

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Speaker 1: when you get it, Yes, I don't. Yeah, I wait,

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Speaker 1: I wait until for what? I wait until trash night

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Speaker 1: and then I break down the box.

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Speaker 4: That depends like I'll take it. I'll take the biggest potion.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not. That's very efficient.

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Speaker 4: Off, I get it. Throw a lot of stuff in

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Speaker 4: that that bigger box. As long as it taking a pH.

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Speaker 1: It depends on how many deliveries I got.

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Speaker 4: No, but I mean like your average box you take,

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Speaker 4: you get like a knife or a.

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Speaker 1: Blade or something. It takes minutes, A couple of minutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it takes five seconds. Five seconds? What are you see?

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Speaker 10: What are you?

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Speaker 1: Five seconds? You cut the you cut the break it down.

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Speaker 1: You gotta fold it up.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't take ten minutes for it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say ten minutes. Did I say ten minutes?

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from all Right, breaking down boxes

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Speaker 1: and an argument over recycling. This show is brought to

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Speaker 4: I'm very excited about that.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, well we didn't have a winner for the

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Speaker 1: first answer, Paul, first question, so maybe.

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Speaker 4: You must be very vague. Then what was the.

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Speaker 1: First Super Bowl championship for the Ravens and who did

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Speaker 1: they play? And what was the score?

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Speaker 4: First championship for the Ravens was two thousand. They played

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Speaker 4: to beat the Giants thirty four to seven.

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Speaker 1: You got it. People didn't get that Super Bowl thirty five.

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Speaker 1: What is the name of the Lions mascot? No idea

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Speaker 1: Harley Tomorrow you want to take a shot at That's

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Speaker 1: what I want, Rory Alex and Wilmington dot That that

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Speaker 1: makes sense? And what was Arrowhead Stadium before arrow Arrowhead Stadium?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I definitely do not know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not good with stadium, War Memorial, Municipal Stadium. And

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Speaker 1: guess who the and I don't know if this guess

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Speaker 1: who the water was Chris Gogelos, former video director here.

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Speaker 4: We don't know how to quit us.

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Speaker 1: We miss him and miss everybody listens. Everybody listens, Chris.

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Speaker 7: He likes my tweets from time to time, and this

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Speaker 7: is a nice little reminder of.

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Speaker 1: You know, Okay, I want to get to some emails.

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Speaker 1: I know we have calls lined up, but I want

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Speaker 1: to make way for some of our emailers. A lot

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Speaker 1: of emails electronic. Yeah, we have a lot of emails.

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Speaker 1: Let's see Dan writes in Virginia and Michigan, Paul, I

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Speaker 1: don't under estimate Fred's insights into Tom Brady. Remember Fred

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Speaker 1: knows Tom intimately.

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Speaker 4: This is correct. Andrew Good, how do you they've kissed?

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Speaker 1: How do you all feel about Nick Kyley as a

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Speaker 1: coaching prospect for the Patriots? Is it too much of

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Speaker 1: the same old people or does his time outside New

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Speaker 1: England give you hope that he would bring enough of

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Speaker 1: a difference or improvement to the offense. Second part, Okay.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little lukewarm on the Nick Cayley thing.

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Speaker 7: I would rather him not be like. My home run

1517
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 7: would be to bring both of them, Zach Robinson and

1518
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 7: Nick Cayley and have Zach Robinson as the offensive coordinator

1519
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 7: slash quarterbacks coach and Nick Keyley as tight ends maybe

1520
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 7: run game coordinator. You know, since Zach Robinson's backgrounds more

1521
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 7: in past.

1522
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 4: I'd be interested in that.

1523
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 7: I would bring both of them back if I could,

1524
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 7: but I wouldn't necessarily run to give Kaylee the the

1525
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 7: OC title.

1526
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: Mike in South something, New Jersey, South Brunswick, South Brunswick, Saddlebrook,

1527
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: he's spelled bok. There you go. But now he's in Winchester, Virginia,

1528
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: so not even in New Englander. I don't know why

1529
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: he needs to tell me that. But anyway, just finished

1530
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: Thursday show and I don't want to spoil things, but

1531
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: boy do I hope rkk's feeling about Mayo is as

1532
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: good as Fred's feelings for the league. Always fun to

1533
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: listen to you guys talk about what you think will

1534
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: happen after I've watched the game. Some takes age like Milk,

1535
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: keep up the great work, PS, please get Hearty back

1536
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: for pre and Post. Can't go through another big Jim

1537
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: Murray experiment a year with all this other organizational change.

1538
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: I need some sort of continuity. Back up the Brinks

1539
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: truck if you need to. For the love of God,

1540
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: well now he's doing very well in the morning.

1541
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 4: That's we're not cutting into the budget.

1542
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the part that there is no budget for

1543
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: the postgame show. But anyway, No, he's doing well. Yeah,

1544
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: he's doing well yesterday.

1545
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 4: Yeah I heard you on with him yesterday.

1546
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good Cole and Denver. Are you gonna get Mayo

1547
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 1: on the show? Come on, Fred, use your institutional power

1548
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: to get the fans what they want. Thirty minutes of

1549
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: soap with a lot with a slot featuring the Patriots

1550
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: new head coach. Seriously, though, what questions would you ask him?

1551
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: I like to know which traits he is looking for

1552
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: in an oc?

1553
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, why hasn't he been on the show yet?

1554
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 12: Bred?

1555
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: A little busy? The request is in.

1556
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 9: They'll be on eventually eventually.

1557
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, a little hurt. Oh he's a little

1558
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: bit busy right now.

1559
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 4: But we'll not busy. We'll get busy FREEI.

1560
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: Apparently, well that was kind of a contractual type of thing.

1561
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: But we'll get him.

1562
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll back off.

1563
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, well but it's you know, what questions would you ask?

1564
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think that.

1565
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 7: His offensive vision just we Paul and I have kind

1566
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 7: of beat this dead horse. But do you want to

1567
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 7: win games thirteen to ten or you are you trying

1568
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 7: to actually build an offense that could win a game

1569
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 7: thirty to twenty?

1570
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: Seven.

1571
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 7: You know, I think that that's a big part of

1572
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 7: it and a big part of what how they're going

1573
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 7: to build this roster is going to be dependent on

1574
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 7: how he wants to play, not just I think, you know,

1575
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 7: what are the type of offense, the system, like not

1576
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 7: that type of stuff, but more about the mentality of

1577
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 7: you know, do you your defensive minded guy, like do you

1578
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 7: want to score points?

1579
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: Like?

1580
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 7: Is that how important is that to you versus playing

1581
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 7: you know, a bogged down style like they have been.

1582
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1583
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would just say to you, Fred, there's

1584
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 4: people that you know, kind of mocking your feel for

1585
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 4: the league. Yeah, they might want to tune in on Thursday, right.

1586
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, backing up the boss man, yep, Jared.

1587
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 4: From Indeed has a feel for the league.

1588
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: Jared in Vermont, uh two points, he says. Paul said

1589
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: last week the rate of first round quarterbacks being bus

1590
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: is equal to any other position. There is no chance

1591
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: that's true because some quarterbacks are bus at least in

1592
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: part because of the situation they're in. Can you think

1593
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: of any tackle, center, quarterback, or edge rusher who was

1594
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: talented and didn't pan out because the team around him

1595
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: was bad or the coaching was inadequate. This happens every

1596
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: year with quarterbacks. I don't know about that, but.

1597
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 4: Oh, I could think of a million examples of guys

1598
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 4: that failed for all kinds of reasons. I think some guys,

1599
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 4: and this might surprise people, some guys just don't really

1600
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 4: like playing. They do it because they were given a gift,

1601
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 4: you know, and in some cases it's a gift of size.

1602
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 4: And you know, I can think of one of the

1603
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 4: guy on the Patriots last year that I mean.

1604
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 1: There was a guy, remember Justin Smith edge Rusher, and

1605
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 1: I think he got drafted by the Bengals.

1606
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 4: Sounds familiar and like he was a great.

1607
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: Player, but not with the Bengal. Didn't he get traded?

1608
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 4: No, with the Bengals, he was like the fourth overall pick.

1609
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 4: He was a really good player.

1610
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: All right. I didn't think he was as good as

1611
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: he was gonna should have been.

1612
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 4: I think we're thinking about the same guy.

1613
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know.

1614
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 4: He was pretty good. Okay, but how about Robert Gallery, Yeah,

1615
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 4: well he just exactly But where did he get taken?

1616
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1617
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 4: I mean Eric Fisher was the like number one overall

1618
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 4: pick of the draft, but he's kind.

1619
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 7: Of yeah, there There definitely have been guys that non

1620
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 7: quarterbacks like that have just been fine or have had

1621
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 7: long careers, but we're never as good as the pick.

1622
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: Well, how many first round like defensive backs get taken

1623
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: that you just never hear of. They're just nondescript.

1624
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 4: This is my point. There's busts at every position. Yeah,

1625
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 4: like Jeff okug it's just not good job. Yeah right now.

1626
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 4: My point is when it's a quarterback, it's there forever

1627
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 4: for everybody to remember because it's such a high profile guy.

1628
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 4: We've been talking about Caleb Williams and Drake May for

1629
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 4: six months every day. So when inevitably at least one

1630
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 4: of those guys is just average, he'll be considered a

1631
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 4: colossal bust. Whereas Andrew Thomas is taken at tackle at

1632
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 4: like number four and it's just meh, no one's going

1633
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 4: to talk about that in ten years because no one's

1634
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 4: gonna remember him.

1635
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 7: I will say that the tackles lately have not panned

1636
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 7: out quite as well, and I think that that the

1637
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 7: offensive line play league wide is not as good as

1638
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 7: he used to be. So I don't think it's just

1639
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 7: on them that they're not talented enough. But the training,

1640
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 7: the practice time, the bat practices.

1641
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 4: Not talent like guys get taken. And this is why

1642
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 4: Robert Gallery might have been talented. No, listen, I'm not

1643
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 4: going to pretend to know intimately every single guy in

1644
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 4: the draft. But when you talk about like these quarterbacks

1645
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 4: that bust out, when your quarterback like Blake Bortles is

1646
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 4: very talented, like, there are reasons why guys don't make it,

1647
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of them. You know, it could

1648
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 4: be like the emailer said, and he's right to bring

1649
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 4: it all the other factors, you know, like a lack

1650
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 4: of support, a bad offensive system, maybe a system that

1651
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 4: didn't fit his skills. Maybe it was poor offensive line play,

1652
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 4: you know, maybe they never had a defense and he

1653
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 4: was always trying to do too much. And you know

1654
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 4: David Carr getting the you know, the crap pounded out

1655
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,839
Speaker 4: of him every week. Whatever. Right, there's a million different reasons.

1656
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 4: But when you get taken that high in the draft,

1657
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 4: very rarely do they look back at a bus and say,

1658
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 4: you know what, that he just he wasn't good. He

1659
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 4: just didn't have any ability at any position. I'm not

1660
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 4: telling you never, but yeah, a lot of these guys

1661
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 4: and That's why it bugs me when they say the

1662
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 4: number one overall picks never do anything because they don't count,

1663
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 4: like Jared Goff or Matthew Stafford, because they're not doing

1664
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 4: it with their original team.

1665
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: Right.

1666
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 4: The idea is to pick a guy you think is

1667
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 4: talented enough to be taken in the slot that he is.

1668
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 4: And I don't know how anyone can tell me Matthew

1669
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 4: Stafford wasn't talented enough to be the number one overall pick.

1670
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the hardest part of the draft. The hardest

1671
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 7: part of the draft is that these are all human

1672
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 7: beings and whether it's situation, whether it's motivation, whether it's

1673
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 7: any of these other factors.

1674
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 4: Is he Brady or is he Jay Cutler?

1675
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 7: They can all replace the talent like they can all

1676
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,919
Speaker 7: it can all supersede the talent if they're not wired correctly,

1677
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 7: if they're fragile, if they're not motivated.

1678
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: It's a big jump from college. But there's no way

1679
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: even if you're in the SEC.

1680
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 4: But there's no way of knowing if a guy is wired,

1681
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 4: to use Evans's term, like Tom Brady, or if he's

1682
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 4: wired like Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler was wildly talented, right,

1683
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 4: and he didn't care, Like there's a million reasons why

1684
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 4: these things happen.

1685
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 8: Also, it's like, I feel like so different when you're

1686
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 8: kind of playing a sport as a hobby, like it's

1687
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 8: not like your entire day, and then turning it into

1688
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 8: a job where you're literally doing something football related all

1689
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 8: day long.

1690
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Jared also says the Patriots are abnormally

1691
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: devoid of talent. To make a baseball analogy, we're down

1692
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: ten with no one on base, Why swing for the fence.

1693
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: We need to choke up on the bat and get

1694
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: a couple runners on. Take Harrison Junior, Joe All or

1695
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: trade back. If we wave from this pick, we're circling

1696
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: the drain for a while.

1697
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 4: So I just my only pushback on that, and I'm

1698
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 4: not telling you you're wrong, but my only pushback on

1699
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: that is, why do we assume that Joe Walt is

1700
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 4: safer than Jayden Daniels or or anybody else like that

1701
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 4: there's a chance evaluation safer, Like it just is like maybe,

1702
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 4: but we'll see.

1703
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 7: I mean, but we just talked about like all the

1704
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 7: reasons why it might not go that direction. But like

1705
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 7: from my vantage point, just watching the two guys play

1706
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 7: the flaws that Jayden Daniels has compared to the flaws

1707
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 7: that joelt has. Joel should be a very very good

1708
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 7: lineman for the next decade. Is it gonna pan out

1709
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 7: exactly like that? Of course I know it.

1710
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 4: But don't you think that if someone if someone looks

1711
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 4: at Jaden Daniels and picks him at three, you don't

1712
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 4: think they're thinking, this is a guy, this is the

1713
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 4: guy that's gonna be my quarterback for the next year.

1714
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 7: I think that for all three of these guys, you

1715
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 7: are picking them based purely off of ceiling. I don't

1716
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 7: I don't think that any one of them has a

1717
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 7: particularly high floor, to be honest, because they're all toolsy like.

1718
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 7: They're like a lot of what is there. Allure is

1719
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 7: is physical gifts and whether or not you can harness that,

1720
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 7: you can develop that and you can put it in

1721
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 7: a perfect situation, is going to all be the X

1722
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 7: factors in their careers.

1723
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 1: Let's see, I don't know who this is one gino.

1724
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm curious about what the Patriots are saying and

1725
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: doing when it comes to hiring coordinators. Craft says he

1726
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go outside the organization to hire a

1727
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: GM in other positions, but yet Mayo is scheduling interviews.

1728
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: Who's running the show and how are they going about it?

1729
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: Because it seems like they're doing everything but doing nothing

1730
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: at the same time.

1731
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 4: Mayo's running the show.

1732
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,440
Speaker 1: I think it is right now. I think it's Drod.

1733
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 4: Mayo with some input and help from Elliott, Wolfen and.

1734
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: Macro in the coordinator situation.

1735
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so, especially Elliott, who's pretty well connected

1736
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 7: around the line.

1737
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 4: I was told that those guys, Yeah, did you just

1738
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 4: say this? I was reading a text that they were

1739
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 4: actually in on the interviews. Is that what you just

1740
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 4: I did not know that. Okay. I was told that

1741
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,879
Speaker 4: Grow in Wolf or with Mayo in these interviews.

1742
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,839
Speaker 8: What are the odds that Grow sticks around after the draft?

1743
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 4: Not very high, I would say, as of right now, Elliott,

1744
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 4: that's how I feel Wolf is staying and Grow is going.

1745
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 4: But no one has told me that. It's just my feeling.

1746
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: Samuel in Charlotte, Dan and Ninko had an interesting conversation

1747
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: on their podcast this week, and I don't think Ninko

1748
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: really entertained Dan's argument. The debate was who had the

1749
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: final say with the Patriots. Dan seemed to think it's

1750
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft. I sure, hope it's not. Craft doesn't have

1751
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: a football background. Why do you think, who do you

1752
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: think has the final say in the draft room or

1753
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 1: free agency?

1754
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 4: I think that's a different argument. I have no idea.

1755
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I think that from like a big picture,

1756
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 7: thirty thousand feet view. Obviously, the owner is gonna kind

1757
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 7: of have final say on most organizational things, Like if

1758
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 7: you want to make Zach Robbinson your offensive coordinator, he

1759
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 7: has a full list of suitors and like ten interviews

1760
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 7: lined up. You're gonna have to pay him a lot

1761
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 7: of money to come here to be a coordinator. That

1762
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,759
Speaker 7: decision ultimately is gonna have to be consulted with the owner.

1763
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 7: Like you're not going to just hand some Gerond Mayo

1764
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 7: is not handing somebody a huge check.

1765
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: I big when it's this big money. I think Craft

1766
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: has to write.

1767
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 4: But who they're going to take in the sixth round

1768
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 4: of the draft, Like, no, But I don't have the

1769
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 4: answer as to who has the final say it out either.

1770
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:21,799
Speaker 1: Johnny in Mad Town, Paul, thank you sincerely for pointing

1771
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: out the boom or bust rhetorics surrounding the Packers. As

1772
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: a native Mayner that's lived in Wisconsin for twenty years,

1773
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: I can't stand how the media and fans were ready

1774
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: to ship Jordan Love to Mars one minute and then

1775
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: ready to build a statue the next. But I also

1776
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: have a bone to pick. You call Dan Campbell more

1777
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: or less a beefed up moron. He now has Detroit.

1778
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 4: It was probably me that sounds like an but I

1779
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 4: didn't actually, But I don't think. I'm not gonna lie.

1780
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't.

1781
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of him as a As

1782
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 4: a I can't, but I'm not going to back away from.

1783
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: He now has a Detroit, a mild upset away from

1784
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: a super Bowl that I think they could actually win

1785
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: regardless of the opponent. Are you ready to walk back

1786
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: your Dan Campbell opinion? Or is it double downtime?

1787
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 4: Double downtime Let's see what he does next year. Yeah,

1788
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,480
Speaker 4: I'm probably in the middle. I'm not as strong negatively

1789
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 4: about Dan Campbell as that email is making it out

1790
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 4: to be. But I also don't think he's done. I

1791
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 4: think he's a good motivator. I think they play hard

1792
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 4: for him, but I think they've done a good job

1793
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 4: putting together a good team.

1794
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: Let's just say they don't get to the super Bowl. Yeah,

1795
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: next year they're in the playoffs again.

1796
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 4: I think he's I think he's done a great jobs.

1797
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 4: Were in the playoffs again? Is that?

1798
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 1: Like?

1799
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 4: Are we is Nick Sirianna were crowning him?

1800
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: But does that mean he's Nick sirian is a bad

1801
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: Does anybody that doesn't win the Super Bowl a bad coach?

1802
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 8: You know?

1803
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 4: But he kept his job by a thread?

1804
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm just saying, well, they had they kind

1805
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 1: of had a collapse.

1806
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 4: Right, you know, but they still won eleven games?

1807
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but early and then they collapsed. I

1808
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 1: kind of like the Patriots that first year of Mac.

1809
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 7: My whole, my whole thing with with Dan Campbell is

1810
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 7: that I think he's a great motivator. I think that

1811
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 7: he I think guy follow him. I think that he's

1812
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 7: got all of those types of intangible qualities that you

1813
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,799
Speaker 7: love in a in a leader and a head coach.

1814
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 7: But when it comes down to it, I think that

1815
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 7: his coordinators are doing the heavy lifting on the schematic side.

1816
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,520
Speaker 7: So when Ben Johnson takes a head coaching.

1817
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 4: Which I don't understand because their defense is wretchedly bad.

1818
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 7: But yeah, it's well, it's bad because they have some

1819
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 7: they have ways to go on that side of the

1820
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 7: ball in terms of personnel, especially in the secondary, but

1821
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 7: he does a nice job of cooking it up. They

1822
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 7: just I look at the Eagles as a great example

1823
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 7: because they made the Super Bowl and it turns out

1824
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 7: that both their coordinators and that Super Bowl were probably

1825
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 7: pretty good coaches, especially Steichen And now they lose both

1826
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 7: of them, and they're they're one and done in their

1827
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 7: train wreck in Siriani's almost fired.

1828
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 4: So let's see what happens with Dan Campbell. He's having

1829
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 4: a great year, so let's see how And I would

1830
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 4: agree that with you, Fred, I give Dan Campbell more

1831
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 4: credit than probably Yes, I will say, I'll walk that back.

1832
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 4: I think he's done a better job than I would

1833
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 4: have thought he was capable of. But I also want

1834
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 4: to examine some of the things of why I don't

1835
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 4: necessarily think he's a great coach. Okay, very simple. They

1836
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 4: pick off a pass with a minute thirty three left

1837
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 4: in the game. Tampa Bay has a timeout left. What

1838
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 4: do you do? What do you do? There's a minute

1839
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 4: thirty three left. You have the ball up eight.

1840
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you're up eight, right.

1841
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 4: Just take you're taking knees, right, but when music time?

1842
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,839
Speaker 4: But when do you take the knee? I mean obviously

1843
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 4: the first down. You know the clock. First down, I

1844
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 4: take a knee. Bang. Okay. So now the clock is

1845
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 4: running at one thirty three. You don't take your next

1846
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 4: nap until win one second on the play clock if

1847
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 4: they don't call timeout. Right, he took it with thirteen

1848
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 4: seconds on the play clock, okay. Then the next play

1849
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 4: there was eleven seconds on the playclock, which allowed it

1850
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 4: to be fourth down with thirty eight seconds left in

1851
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 4: the game. Now, for some reason, Todd Bowles didn't recognize

1852
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 4: this gift that he was handed and didn't use that

1853
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 4: last time out because, quote after the game, Todd bole said, well,

1854
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 4: they're going to just kick the field goal anyway, so

1855
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 4: we're going to be down ten with not enough time.

1856
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 4: It would have been a forty eight yard field goal

1857
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 4: that I don't even think Detroit would have attempted. I

1858
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 4: think they would have punted. But that's recklessness, that's that's

1859
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 4: being too excited at the time to get everybody on

1860
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 4: the same page and say, if they're not going to

1861
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 4: call time, out. We still got to wait till one

1862
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 4: second on the play clock because if they call time out,

1863
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 4: they could force us to have to run a fourth

1864
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 4: down play. But if they do, let's make sure it's

1865
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 4: with less than five seconds left.

1866
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: L coach, may I recommend the Paul Perrello school of

1867
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 1: clock fred management.

1868
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 4: Don't like I know that, Like I care about this

1869
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 4: more than most. I get it, okay, but this was

1870
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 4: rampant on Twitter on Sunday. Immediately. I looked at the

1871
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 4: TV when it was third and twelve and there was

1872
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 4: still so much time left. And I looked at Beth.

1873
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 4: I said, that's got to be wrong. It's got to

1874
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 4: only be second down. There's too much time left. I

1875
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 4: was and I was like, he just took the set.

1876
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 4: There was like eleven seconds, so I'm like, what is

1877
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 4: he doing? I go, now they've got to run a

1878
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 4: playland full it down. But Bulls just said, yeah, we

1879
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:08,799
Speaker 4: lost anything.

1880
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 1: But is that like I'm like, the court of the

1881
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: coach should be saying, don't snap the phone in.

1882
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 4: The headset, right, Yes, but that's coaching.

1883
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: But shouldn't the coordinator be saying that to him too?

1884
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 4: But you have to that's part of like Listen, when

1885
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 4: you get the credit, you got to get the blame too.

1886
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that he's gonna he.

1887
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 4: Got emotional, but he was excited and he lost track.

1888
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 1: But he has to rely on good coordinators. I'm not

1889
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 1: going to deny that. And I wonder if they lost.

1890
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 4: And by the way, I think similarly of Bill Kauer,

1891
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 4: who had a terrific career with Pittsburgh. I don't think

1892
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 4: he was a great coach, right, I think he was

1893
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 4: a great motivator.

1894
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: But well, that's the thing. I think there's something to that.

1895
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 4: I don't think that absolutely, I don't think.

1896
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't think the Lions could be doing what they're

1897
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: doing if Dan Campbell was a coach.

1898
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 7: Because Dan would Dan amples brought to the Lions his belief.

1899
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 7: They believe they're no longer the Detroit Lions, and they're

1900
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 7: no longer and we're no longer going to choke every

1901
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 7: game away in the end, and we're no longer gonna,

1902
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 7: you know, be thirty forty years without a playoff win.

1903
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 7: And that he deserves all the credit in the world

1904
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 7: for that, Like he instilled the culture there and that's

1905
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 7: a that's a big part of it.

1906
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 4: But perhaps not phony, No, like he made them. I

1907
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 4: think Evan said that perfectly. He made them believe that

1908
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,839
Speaker 4: they weren't going to be the same old sorry Lions.

1909
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 8: Right.

1910
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 7: But the problem is is that when you start to

1911
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 7: talk about sustainability and that team actually being good for

1912
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,560
Speaker 7: a period of time and not just a flash in

1913
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 7: the pan, that's when the x's and o's and that's

1914
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 7: when the coordinators come in. And I just think the

1915
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 7: thing that bugs me is that everybody talks that the

1916
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 7: reason why the Lions are good is because they have

1917
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 7: grit and they have balls, and Dan Campbell's tough and

1918
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 7: he's you know, a meet goes and it.

1919
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 4: Goes for it on for no cost him a lot

1920
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 4: of games.

1921
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 7: The reason why the Lions are good is because they've

1922
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 7: built a great roster and they have great coordinators and

1923
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 7: those these guys are coaching really really. They got Jared

1924
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 7: Goff looking like he's a borderline MVP quarterback right now.

1925
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 7: And that's why the Lions are good, not because Dan

1926
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 7: Campbell gets red in the face and is gritty and

1927
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 7: has guts.

1928
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 4: Times for them on Sunday, for sure. But my biggest fear,

1929
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 4: you know, as a you know, a bandwagon Lions fan.

1930
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 4: Now is him doing that?

1931
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like screwing it up out like they say, coach,

1932
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: he can only lose you games.

1933
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 4: Punton's for you know, you know what's you gotta go

1934
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 4: for it fourth to one from our own twenty nine.

1935
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Matt framing him. We haven't really talked about this, he says.

1936
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised Bill O'Brien went to Ohio State. My opinion,

1937
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: I think he knew the only way to help build

1938
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,600
Speaker 1: up his resume was going elsewhere because the holes of

1939
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: this roster are obvious and too many. Plus Ryan Day

1940
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: is entering a critical year there. Don't be shocked for

1941
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Brian might be the head coach in twenty twenty five

1942
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: unless Rabel enters the picture.

1943
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 7: I'm not shocked at all that Bill O'Brien left. I

1944
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Speaker 7: am a little bit surprised he went back to college,

1945
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Speaker 7: but I think that might be his only option, so

1946
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 7: maybe that's why he did it. But it's funny because

1947
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 7: people at Ohio State are not happy about this hire. Well, theatote, yeah,

1948
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 7: and they and it was kind of the same feeling

1949
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Speaker 7: that I had when the Patriots hired Bill O'Brien. The

1950
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 7: people at Alabama were like throwing parades like get him

1951
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 7: out of the out.

1952
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Speaker 4: Of the building, and until they replacement.

1953
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Speaker 7: You're right, And now Bill he comes here and he

1954
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 7: was kind of the savior and now it's it's back

1955
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Speaker 7: to I don't know, I'm not surprised that he left.

1956
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 7: I'm not surprised that that he was that he left,

1957
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 7: But I am a little bit surprised that he went

1958
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 7: back to college because I don't think this reputation in

1959
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 7: college is like all that great.

1960
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 4: It's a good email right down to the Rabel part,

1961
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 4: because Rabel could be another one of these guys that's

1962
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 4: left without a chair when the music Defina and I

1963
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,759
Speaker 4: think that this is a big year for Ryan Day

1964
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 4: and if it doesn't go well, I could see Rabel

1965
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Speaker 4: taking over.

1966
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, let's go back to the Ace ticket hut

1967
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Speaker 1: line eight five to five, Pats five hundred, Raymond's and

1968
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. Hey, Raymond, how's it going?

1969
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Speaker 11: First time?

1970
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Speaker 18: First time caller, long time listening, but I started listening

1971
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Speaker 18: to twenty eighteen man, and I really appreciate you all

1972
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 18: for you know, having me a platform for being here

1973
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 18: in Missouri. You know, everyone's a Chiefs fan or you know,

1974
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 18: old Rams fan, so everyone hates me being a Patriots fan.

1975
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 4: Sure, So my big question is what's the.

1976
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 18: Difference between a OC who's coached another team and then

1977
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 18: a positional coach like a quarterback.

1978
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 7: Coach experience as mostly as an experience as a play caller,

1979
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 7: you know. Like that's my biggest fear right now with

1980
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 7: what's going on with the Patriots is that they have

1981
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 7: a lot of inexperienced coaches on their Yeah.

1982
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: A lot of ocs are also the quarterback coach, but

1983
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: there's some teams that have they're separate.

1984
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Speaker 4: And the guys they've brought in so far, none of

1985
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 4: them are called plays, right.

1986
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 7: None of them have called plays on the offensive side

1987
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 7: of the ball. I don't think any of them call

1988
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 7: plays on defense either, So.

1989
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Speaker 4: Never mind, I thought you would do on a patrician thing.

1990
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Speaker 7: Then oh no, I hate that too. But that's right now,

1991
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 7: that's my biggest fear. You have a first time head

1992
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 7: coach with potentially a first time coordinator and a first

1993
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 7: time defensive coordinator.

1994
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Speaker 1: And possibly a rookie quarterback and possibly a rookie quarterback.

1995
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, Raymond is right though, like you know, the

1996
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,480
Speaker 4: quarterbacks coaches, I mean, I think they often get overlooked,

1997
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 4: but I do think that's a valuable piece to have

1998
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 4: somebody that they rely on that's not necessarily the same guy.

1999
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, and not Jo Judge, but I also really I

2000
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 7: really like Zach Robinson, and I guess you could probably

2001
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 7: say the same thing about Dan Pitcher do would agree.

2002
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 7: But I really like Zach Robinson in particular because he

2003
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 7: did a lot of quarterback consulting before he got back

2004
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 7: into coaching. He was one of these, like Jordan Palmer,

2005
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 7: Tom House type of guys that would like work with

2006
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 7: guys in the off season on their mechanics and footwork

2007
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 7: and things like that. So you're not just getting like

2008
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 7: a guy that can look at it from like an

2009
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 7: conceptual standpoint next as and O's wise, but also somebody

2010
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 7: that if they do draft Drake May, you know, can

2011
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 7: work on his footwork, if they do draft Jayden Daniels,

2012
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 7: can work on you know, his his footwork, mechanics, all

2013
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff, and that you need that with

2014
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 7: a young quarterback. So instead of having to go like

2015
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 7: external and like sending him to Jordan Palmer over the summer, maybe.

2016
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Speaker 1: It's right here, guys, right here, Thanks Raymond, don't be

2017
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 1: a stranger. Let's go to Wilm, Willem and Pelham. What's

2018
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: up William?

2019
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Speaker 19: Hey Fred?

2020
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 1: How you doing all right?

2021
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 11: Okay?

2022
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 20: Question for for Evan and also a question for Fred,

2023
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 20: I mean for football for mag Jones one.

2024
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 19: Now, so I'll just start with Evan first.

2025
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 20: Evan, you've seen.

2026
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 4: A lot of things, man, Like you know that's what

2027
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 4: I do.

2028
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 20: From quarterbacks, you know, from the draft and everything quarterback.

2029
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 20: You're saying, well, we can wait till April. I mean,

2030
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 20: you're saying a lot of things. I just I'm just

2031
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 20: trying to figure out what do Evan want with the

2032
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 20: number three pick?

2033
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 19: What do you want? Like, I don't, I don't know.

2034
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 19: You just all over the place right now.

2035
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: There's so much unknown covering your basis.

2036
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 7: I I just it's so much unknown, Like you're you're

2037
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:06,520
Speaker 7: were in January. There's they don't have coordinator.

2038
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: What do you want? What do I want?

2039
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, Like I'm not in charge.

2040
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: So like no, but what if you were in charge?

2041
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: What would you want to know? I'm on the artful

2042
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: Dodger over.

2043
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 4: Here, because what are they doing in free agency? What's

2044
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 4: the roster look like? Come? April twenty eighth, Like until

2045
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 4: I know that, I can't give you a straight answer.

2046
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: But if you're the guy creating, you had all the

2047
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:29,640
Speaker 1: power number.

2048
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 20: Three, you don't want to receiver, you want to tackle.

2049
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 19: You want to what do you have?

2050
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 7: I would take the quarter If I was one hundred

2051
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 7: percent sold on the quarterback, I would take the quarterback.

2052
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 7: If I wasn't, then I take the tackle. That that

2053
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 7: if you want, you want me to commit to an aig.

2054
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 4: He likes Joe Walt. He's on I think you're on

2055
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 4: record is saying that he tweeted about a bunch of

2056
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 4: clips about Joel today that I saw he's just fill.

2057
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 4: I would if you can't get a quarterback, I would

2058
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 4: trade down and take a tackle. But I mean, that

2059
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 4: guy is just that. That's what does it for me?

2060
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: William.

2061
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 4: Just give me, give me Joe Alt, and give me.

2062
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 7: Some some offensive linemen that can move their feet, that

2063
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 7: can block people and keep the quarterback clean.

2064
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 4: That's what.

2065
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 7: But that's why I'm so on the fence about everything

2066
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 7: is because we've got a long way to go. I

2067
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 7: know everybody wants answers, but you know we're.

2068
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 1: I think William's not asking what you think is gonna happen.

2069
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 1: He wants to know what you want to do.

2070
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, but we're like, you know, next week, I'll like,

2071
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 7: I'm going down to Mobile to the Senior Bowl. There's

2072
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 7: a bunch of guys that are going to be there

2073
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 7: that I'm looking forward to seeing. And then we have

2074
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 7: the combine and like, there's we got a long way

2075
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 7: to go.

2076
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 4: I'm easy with thanks. I want Drake May, but doesn't

2077
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 4: mean he's gonna.

2078
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 7: Be I definitely these days, I'm definitely feeling myself leaning

2079
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 7: towards Drake May as well, but mostly just because of

2080
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 7: the guys that they've interviewed for the coordinator job.

2081
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: Ben and Brooklyn. While I think he's going to Atlanta

2082
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: and that is this prolonged search creates the illusion of

2083
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: extensive search with an eye towards the Rooney rule. Isn't

2084
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: Bill's best fallback option? Navy low bar easy to show

2085
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 1: improvement and coming full circle with Steve. Also about Tampa

2086
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: going for two this I wanted to talk. People don't

2087
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 1: understand that probability is a tool best used for large

2088
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 1: sample sizes. Probability also ignores the situation in terms of

2089
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 1: context and doesn't consider consequences. Even if I could win

2090
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars, I'm not going to play Russian

2091
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: Roulette with five out of six odds. I think there's

2092
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:27,799
Speaker 1: also an emotional setback after failing kills momentum and creates

2093
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: and now we have to be completely perfect burden on

2094
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: the team that is trailing. Yeah, so that was the situation.

2095
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 4: Right in the mouth. I could kiss them right in

2096
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 4: the mouth. Yeah, that that perfectly encapsulates. Its not that

2097
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 4: we don't understand it. You don't understand, Paul, You're too.

2098
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Old, My god, No, it's it's not.

2099
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 4: Forbid you disagree with these people like I.

2100
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 7: I I think the biggest thing uh for me because

2101
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 7: I am starting to come around to the other, to

2102
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 7: the Paul side of the fence here. You guys know,

2103
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 7: I love the math, I love the numbers, but I'm

2104
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 7: starting to come around to your side of the fence

2105
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 7: for two reasons. One, I see way too many teams

2106
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 7: go for two down eight and have a horrible play call.

2107
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 7: And it's like if you have like just a great

2108
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 7: two point play, like you're like, this is just a

2109
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,679
Speaker 7: money We really like this play. We really trusted throwing

2110
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,600
Speaker 7: a fade to Mike Evans in the back to the

2111
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 7: back pylon is not one of those plays I'm talking

2112
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 7: about one where somebody's just gonna walk in for a

2113
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 7: two point conversion. If you have one of those types

2114
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 7: of plays in your back pocket, then fine, But the

2115
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 7: play call has to matter. And the second thing is

2116
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 7: I also think the momentum in the game has to matter.

2117
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 7: That's because the momentum swings if you don't get it,

2118
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 7: and especially if you're playing on the road, that's a

2119
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 7: big deal. Like that, Now all of a sudden, the

2120
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 7: crowd's back, you'll get a lift and everything starts going

2121
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 7: against you all you know, that's that can happen really quickly.

2122
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 7: So I don't think that the analytics they don't consider

2123
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 7: what is the actual play being called? Not should they

2124
01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 7: or shouldn't they, but what's the play?

2125
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you think, well, every game play's gonna work.

2126
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 4: But every game is ruined now too. It's the analytics

2127
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 4: say's fourth and four or less, go for it. What

2128
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 4: kind of analytic is that?

2129
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Like?

2130
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 4: Am I on my own ten? Am I up by

2131
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 4: thirty at the time? Like it's not like an every

2132
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 4: time thing, right? And I'm not anti going for two

2133
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 4: down eight. I just don't think you do it every

2134
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 4: time because the odds tell you you're gonna get one

2135
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 4: of them, which the odds say, I think it's fifty

2136
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 4: four percent something like that. The odds say you're gonna

2137
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 4: convert on one of them, right, So but you do

2138
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 4: it every time. Explained a lot of different ways that

2139
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 4: you wouldn't do it.

2140
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: But Ben brings up a good point about sample size. Yes,

2141
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: you only have two, probably two more chances, so you're

2142
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: sample size is two.

2143
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 4: You have to go one for two.

2144
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: If you had ten opportunities that you knew of, okay,

2145
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 1: I'll get five of them. But when you only have two, you.

2146
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 4: Have to make one right. And when you put yourself

2147
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 4: in the situation that Tampa did, now, that one that

2148
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 4: you have to make is the game, is the season's over,

2149
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 4: or you make it right. I'm sorry if that's not

2150
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 4: the same as the middle of the second question.

2151
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: Would you rather have the season on the line kicking

2152
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: an extra point or having to get.

2153
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 4: To right and they're not even winning, you're tying. The

2154
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 4: other part of it that I do recognize, and this

2155
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 4: is what I'm not anti going for it, because there

2156
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 4: is I think a possibility, a strong possibility that if

2157
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 4: you make the first one, it makes the other team

2158
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 4: even more uptight, like if they had gotten that in

2159
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 4: Detroit the other day. I'm sorry, there's a big difference

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Speaker 4: between being up six and up seven.

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Speaker 1: Oh we know first hand twenty eight three when they started.

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Speaker 4: No, but like in that, just in that situation, if

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Speaker 4: they get the two when they get to six, as

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01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 4: opposed to kicking it to get to seven seven, they're

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Speaker 4: probably thinking, oh, you know till we got a touchdown lead.

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01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 4: You know, we get a touchdown, we go to overtime. Six,

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01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 4: it's like Jesus, we have a touchdown, we lose, right

2168
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 4: like that. Emotionally, that's that's all part of it. But

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Speaker 4: I do think that Tampa took their momentum away yep,

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Speaker 4: by go in. I also say I blame Mike Evans

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01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 4: on that. All he had to do was stop and

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01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 4: he's gonna get a penalty. Yeah, he didn't get interfered with.

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Speaker 7: I just feel like the play call has to matter.

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Speaker 7: Like I'm sorry, but like high point fades, even to

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01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 7: Mike Evans, are low percentage throws and it's not like

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Speaker 7: that's not that's not a play like that's just like

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Speaker 7: two guys trying to make something happen. And then number two,

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Speaker 7: I just think that the time and the place and

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01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 7: the environment and the situation. And this is one thing

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01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 7: that I will give Bill a lot of credit for

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01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 7: when he talks about these kinds of things. Those are

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Speaker 7: all factors for Bill. Now, Bill I think is not

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Speaker 7: aggressive enough. I agree with that, but he factors in

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01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,600
Speaker 7: whether are they Homer or other way? What's the what,

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01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 7: how's the game gone?

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01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 4: You know what? What what's the momentum in the game,

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01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 4: what's the state of my team physically? We healthy the

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01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 4: other team? You know, you know, like we've I think

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01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 4: there was a game a couple of years ago that

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01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 4: Baltimore went for two with no time, basically with no

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01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,639
Speaker 4: time left to try to win it because they had

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01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 4: lost like three defensive backs in the fourth quarter. They

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01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 4: would they knew they weren't going to be able to

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01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 4: stop it, and here's an opportunity, and I can make

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01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 4: one play and win the game here because I don't

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Speaker 4: have much of a shot in overtime. They didn't get it.

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01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:26,600
Speaker 4: They lost, right, But I understand, like I'm not anti

2198
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 4: aggressiveness on the you know, going with the analytics. I

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01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 4: just don't want to hear the numbers. I don't want

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01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 4: to hear that this is it's for fifty every time, right.

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Speaker 4: I don't get it because it's not the same because.

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Speaker 7: There's no context, right, Like Never doesn't have this context

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01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 7: of the moment of the game.

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01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 4: They like, I don't think the odds are fifty to

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01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 4: fifty on a two point conversion with no time left

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01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 4: down to right.

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Speaker 1: And I also think the other teams out there getting

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01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 1: paid too, if.

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Speaker 7: You want to if the broadcasts want to lean all

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01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,599
Speaker 7: the way into analytics, like they kind of have, because

2211
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,680
Speaker 7: people do like it. People want to know people like

2212
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 7: the numbers. They either need to figure it out on

2213
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 7: their own so that they can explain it and have

2214
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 7: and they don't and have a like an actual conversation,

2215
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 7: or there needs to be like an analytics guru like

2216
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 7: higher Aaron Schatz to sit in the in the press

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01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 7: box and give an explanation as to why they're doing this.

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01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 4: And no disrespect to Aaron, who I don't know, but

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01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 4: I would kill myself if they did that. Okay, I'm

2220
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 4: bad enough listening to the nonsense they give you. But

2221
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 4: instead they just.

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01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 7: They they explain it poorly, which gets people even more

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01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 7: up in arms about what they're.

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01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 4: Fourth and four right, so analytics say to go for it,

2225
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 4: and the oh, okay, so I'm up three touchdowns, but

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01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 4: I should go for it on my own thirty right

2227
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 4: fourth and four. And I know that.

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01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 7: You know Seth Walder who does it for ESPN, He's

2229
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 7: ESPN Analytics, He's he's name the guy, and he tried

2230
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 7: to explain this on Twitter during one of the games.

2231
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 7: But like sometimes the win probability that they use is

2232
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 7: like half a percentage point. It's literally like forty percent

2233
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 7: chance to win if you go thirty nine point five

2234
01:43:58,320 --> 01:43:59,759
Speaker 7: percent chance if you punt.

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01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: And there's how do they not go right?

2236
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 4: And it's what do you mean?

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01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 7: Like we're talking about a half a percentage point like it?

2238
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 7: This is kind of a coin flip to me.

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01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 4: So now you look at the game like the Kansas

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Speaker 4: City Buffalo game, right, I think on the first drive

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01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 4: of the game, Buffalo had a fourth in inches from

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01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 4: their own thirty five, and they went for it. They

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01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 4: got it, they got it, So it's a non factor.

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01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 4: But I think it's the This is an example of

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01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 4: I'm not always anti handlytic. I think it was the

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01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 4: right thing. I think you look at that game and

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01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 4: you say, I'm playing Patrick Mahomes, I need this much

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01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 4: for a first down. I got to take that chance

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01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 4: because he's going to score. I'm not going to shut

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Speaker 4: him down, and I need to.

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Speaker 1: Move the ball and score.

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01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 9: That's what you literally have a bolding boll ball for

2253
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:47,679
Speaker 9: like a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: But that makes that different than as Fred says, the

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Speaker 4: probability pool that they go by, like, yeah, it's very unconvinced.

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Speaker 4: Like I just was critical of Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell

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Speaker 4: does have Josh Allen. He has a guy in Jerry

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01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 4: Goff who's not great on quarterback sneaks, and they they

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01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 4: may or may not be playing against the team. Like

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Speaker 4: if it was Sunday against Tampa, I'm not going into

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01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:14,600
Speaker 4: that game saying I need I need to put you

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01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 4: know a lot of points on the board to win

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01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 4: this game. I'm playing Tampa. I've just you know, I'll

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01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 4: punt the ball to them and whatever.

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Speaker 1: It was funny there was one sequence in that Lion's

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01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: game where I think they were on the one yard

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01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: line first down, and they had two passing plays, very

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Speaker 1: unlike and I think I think Campbell just said just

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01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 1: run the ball and then they just ran it right

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01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:35,759
Speaker 1: up the middle, easy touchdown.

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Speaker 4: But the second pass play was the one that almost

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01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 4: got picked off by Jimmel Dean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so it was just funny. Like so I

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Speaker 1: think that, you know, Campbell does rely on his coordinators,

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01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: but I think sometimes he might overrule them.

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Speaker 4: You know, he just just assigned to that play. Call

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01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 4: to to Campbell, well, I do run pass? Maybe you

2278
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 4: know Bill does that all the time. You know, Bill

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01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 4: just run the ball down to see how Fred the

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01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,600
Speaker 4: ones that didn't work that the ones that did was

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01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 4: Stan Campbell.

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Speaker 1: No, but even the announcers are like, they're not running it.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was strange to play call. I think

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01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 4: it was like the four yard line or something like that.

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01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 1: Like that often, Uh, Andrew in l A. Paul, do

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01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 1: you have a vantage point to see if Fred's food

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01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 1: stains and his Emerson shirt are still there from last week?

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01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 1: Or did he wash his shirt?

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01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 4: Fred? Did you wash it? Screw not treating the listeners.

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01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Well, I have seen let's get back to the phone.

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01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 4: The Emerson shirt, how do you remember that?

2292
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 1: What that was?

2293
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 4: Spicy?

2294
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: I wear it last week.

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01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 4: I guess I don't know.

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01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 1: Let's go to dominic in New York. What's up dominic?

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Speaker 4: Hey? How you doing all right? Good?

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01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 19: First all, Paul, I think you care just the right

2299
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 19: himount about the whole time management con situation with the line,

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Speaker 19: I think it's perfect because to me, I agree and

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01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 19: with top Bowl saying the game is over listen when

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Speaker 19: you're in the playoffs, give your team a chance to

2303
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 19: do whatever. Who knows what can happen, But you know,

2304
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:02,640
Speaker 19: the whole bit and run of y'all going off on

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01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 19: like you know, situation. And I'm kind of not anti

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01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 19: going forward on burnt down, but like situation, like early

2307
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 19: in games, maybe you want to set the tone early,

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01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 19: you know, maybe you're close to midfield kind of in

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01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 19: no man's playing on forty or thirty, right to go

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01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 19: forward then, But when you're kind of going forward on

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01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 19: your own thirty or your own twenty like the Bills,

2312
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 19: like you know, Harryston Bucker, great picker who gets that

2313
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 19: game over for sure there at least in my opinion.

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01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 19: So you know, I think to your point in time

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01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 19: and momentum is a thing. One thing I want to

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01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 19: ask is I've been like looking around like different draft

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Speaker 19: resources like a you know, kind of falling mel Kiper

2318
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 19: you Sam mock draft. Just looking at draft analysis with qvs.

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01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 19: Other players. I want to ask, and I didn't catch

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01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 19: it last year. Do y'all do like an analysis of

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01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 19: all players available or do you just kind of pick

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01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 19: and choose and then put them up on Patriots dot

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01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 19: com Just so I can follow that too.

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01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 4: Okay, what's the question the draft?

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01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 1: For the draft?

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Speaker 4: Don't we don't do all players?

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01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 1: Now, what we do is we take like the top

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01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:01,600
Speaker 1: ten of each position. We get them up. Well, so

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01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: what the guys will do is, like one day, you

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01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: guys will focus on running backs and we'll have a

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01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 1: podcast that we'll talk about all the top running backs

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01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:13,640
Speaker 1: that are available, and then we'll have like you know,

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01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: recaps on on Patriots dot com. We'll also have videos

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01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 1: of probably the top five guys at every position. We'll

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01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,680
Speaker 1: put those videos up maybe a little bit more in

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01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 1: some of the cases.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, we do have a podcast for every position

2338
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 4: that Mike and Evan and I will will do. And

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01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,000
Speaker 4: then I think Evan and Mike do a lot of

2340
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 4: written capsules on the prospects as well. Yep, drafts. Yeah,

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01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 4: there's I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot

2342
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,120
Speaker 4: of draft information out there, and there's a lot that

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01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:46,559
Speaker 4: we'll have on Patriots dot com too.

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01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 1: Yep, Sean's and Vancouver. What's up Sean?

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01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 21: Hi everyone, Paul. I also agree with your position on

2346
01:48:55,439 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 21: Dan Campbell's play calling and time management. But I have

2347
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,760
Speaker 21: a couple of questions in regards to clarification for things

2348
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 21: you said earlier. The one was for the Patriots scrafton quarterback.

2349
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:11,600
Speaker 21: You mentioned it depends on what the Bears want to

2350
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 21: do with relates to justin fields, and I get that,

2351
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 21: But you also mentioned the Cardinals and Murray and I

2352
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 21: don't get that because wouldn't it be Washington commanders as

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01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 21: the commanders of the second pick that I mess that up?

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01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 11: Oh? Okay, my bad, this is wondering.

2355
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 14: Yeah.

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01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 21: And the second second thing I wonder is that the

2357
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 21: Patriots Gobo Nicks in the second round that probably won't

2358
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:35,599
Speaker 21: work out. Is that because Nicks won't be a franchise

2359
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:37,760
Speaker 21: quarterback in the NFL? Or is it because he won't

2360
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 21: be available in the second round.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think the chances are great of waiting

2362
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,640
Speaker 4: beyond the first round. And like getting your answer now,

2363
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 4: it can happen. We know who the guys are. But

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01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a coincidence that seven out of

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01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 4: the eight final eight quarterbacks were first round picks. I

2366
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 4: don't think that's a surprise at all. Yeah, I mean

2367
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 4: you might be able to get Dak Prescott in the

2368
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 4: fourth round. Yeah, I mean, look, it could happen with

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01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,759
Speaker 4: thanks Sean. And I'm not going to count party because

2370
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,599
Speaker 4: I think you guys have been telling me how bad

2371
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 4: he is all year anyway, so you guys can't tell

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01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 4: me I'd like to get Party in the seventh round. Party.

2373
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 9: Party is a product of great talent being around him.

2374
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 1: I think he's also pretty good. I don't I'm not

2375
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: Evan wants to poop poo him. I think he's pretty good.

2376
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 4: No, No, I think I think I think he's fine.

2377
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 1: You have to be.

2378
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 4: There's a million other guys like him. I just can't wait.

2379
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 1: I wish there were a million guys. The league would

2380
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 1: be better.

2381
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,759
Speaker 7: I can't wait till Kyle Shanahan gets his Matthew Stafford.

2382
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 7: That's all I can say, because then then he might

2383
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 7: actually have a chance of winning a super Bowl.

2384
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ellen, Wisconsin, I think Campbell can be a good

2385
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 1: head coach, but also he's not an X and o's guy.

2386
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that he knows his limitations so he

2387
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 1: knows to hire the right guys. Despite experience here, not

2388
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 1: every coach needs to think he's the smartest room guy

2389
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 1: in the room in order to succeed.

2390
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 7: Un But it's really really difficult to replicate that year

2391
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:02,680
Speaker 7: after year because your guys get hired away, Like you know,

2392
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 7: Ben Johnson's gonna get hired that way. So if you

2393
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 7: have a really good job of developing coordinators and things

2394
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 7: like that, then short.

2395
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 4: It'll be a good taset study because if they lose

2396
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 4: the two coordinators the way Philly did.

2397
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'm interested to see, like what's gonna happen

2398
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,639
Speaker 8: with Vegas too, because for similar reason, they love Antonio

2399
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 8: Piers like their players love him.

2400
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:23,640
Speaker 9: But like is that sustainable?

2401
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like coming off firing Josh, like the players like

2402
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,640
Speaker 8: rallied around Antonio peers and players did want him to

2403
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 8: be hired as head coach, but like is that sustainable?

2404
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 4: What I worry about here?

2405
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 7: Like I think Gerrod Mayo has some x's and o's chops, absolutely,

2406
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 7: but I think his strengths are leadership, motivation, you know,

2407
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:45,479
Speaker 7: those are his you know, addressing a room, being able

2408
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 7: to capture a room and have the you know, the

2409
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 7: weight of the room on his shoulders, and those are

2410
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 7: all great things.

2411
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,640
Speaker 1: But he also was a film junkie when he was

2412
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 1: a player.

2413
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, I think he does.

2414
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 7: But I think that, you know, just hearing the difference

2415
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 7: between his role in Steve's role, Steve is really the

2416
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 7: play caller and the x's and o's guy, you know.

2417
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,879
Speaker 7: And I don't think Girod's gonna call plays on defense

2418
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 7: as the head coach. I think he's gonna want his coordinator.

2419
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,560
Speaker 1: To do it. Uh, Paul says Cassidy, you said no

2420
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 1: quarterback prospect taken high just outright sucked. What about the

2421
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:24,479
Speaker 1: head scratching Bears move and taking Mitch Trubisky, He wasn't

2422
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 1: still as horrible.

2423
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 4: I didn't say that they don't stink, Josh Rosen, I said,

2424
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 4: they have talent. They have talent. You know, there's a

2425
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 4: lot of reasons why it's unfulfilled promise. But the tackle

2426
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:40,680
Speaker 4: that gets taken with the fourth pick has talent. Well,

2427
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 4: he just maybe doesn't work. It doesn't work hard enough.

2428
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 4: Like Jay Cutler was as talented as anybody, but he

2429
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:47,799
Speaker 4: didn't care about football.

2430
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 1: I know, but there's more to just having pure talent.

2431
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 4: I understand that, Fred, But my point is, Mitch Trubisky

2432
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 4: has ability. Yes, he could move.

2433
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: I think he could draft it has ability.

2434
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,599
Speaker 4: Thank you. You just made my argument for me, right,

2435
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 4: But that doesn't some guys, bust.

2436
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,680
Speaker 1: I know, but that doesn't mean they're gonna be good

2437
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 1: football players.

2438
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 4: Exactly, you know, exactly we are luckstep Okay. You know

2439
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 4: that was my argument that the email had just tried

2440
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,680
Speaker 4: to pooh pooh by saying Mitch Trubisky.

2441
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 7: He had talent, so does JJ McCarthy. And I look

2442
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:22,680
Speaker 7: at the two of those guys, and I see this

2443
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 7: Spider Man meme.

2444
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: Those guys they don't have enough talent in enough areas

2445
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 1: or they don't have it.

2446
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 7: They run around, they got cannon arms, they can throw.

2447
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 7: They can throw the ball eighty yards. They can't throw

2448
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 7: it five like, and I got time for that.

2449
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 1: And that's that's the lesson about the leap from college.

2450
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 1: Every one of these college players that are in the

2451
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:45,439
Speaker 1: draft were the best players in their conference. You know,

2452
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: you read like guys that are you know, projected for

2453
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 1: the fifth or sixth round, and you read their bios

2454
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 1: and you know Dane Brugler and it's like all this

2455
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: all that you know, and that just shows you the jump.

2456
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Now you get to the NFL where all the guys

2457
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: there were the best in the lower level.

2458
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 4: That's when you find out he has the same ability

2459
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 4: as the guy across room, but does he work as

2460
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 4: hard as he and does he knows as much and

2461
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 4: does it mean as much to him?

2462
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 1: And that's a fact. And that's what Belichick would always

2463
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: argue about drafting, especially out of the first round, is

2464
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 1: all these guys can play, tell me the guy that's coachable,

2465
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 1: that football is important to them, and I'll I'll take

2466
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 1: them to the next level, but I'll trade down because

2467
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I can get pretty much the same player at the

2468
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:37,080
Speaker 1: lower part of that draft as I can. I'm at

2469
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 1: that round as a you know, top of that round,

2470
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 1: and I'll make them, you know, good because they want

2471
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 1: to be coached. But they all have the same traits.

2472
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he feels that way about a

2473
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: lot of these guys.

2474
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:54,120
Speaker 4: Jordan Richards, well, you can't be right all the time,

2475
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,400
Speaker 4: but that the philosophy was very flawed.

2476
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well then he mixed in the personal stuff.

2477
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take care.

2478
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 4: I'm just saying in general, like just trading down to

2479
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 4: get a group of players that is a flawed philosophy,

2480
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 4: and basically, to me, sometimes it makes it basically just

2481
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 4: came back and bit them is all it did. It's

2482
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 4: like the the law of averages are going to catch

2483
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:16,080
Speaker 4: up with you. Yeah, you can't do the wrong thing

2484
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 4: often enough to overcome it. Like sometimes you just got

2485
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 4: to take good players and coach them. If he's as

2486
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 4: good as coach as he always thought he was, he

2487
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,320
Speaker 4: should want to get talented players.

2488
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 1: Well Ken in New Jersey, Belichick always said he would

2489
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:32,200
Speaker 1: go for two if he liked the play call, similar

2490
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: to what Evan says. I think that makes a bigger

2491
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 1: difference than the analytics. These plays are not in a vacuum.

2492
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 4: That's my biggest point right there, the last sentence. They're

2493
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 4: not like I think the analytics treat it like it's

2494
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 4: in a vacuum, and there's a lot of emotion that

2495
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,120
Speaker 4: goes into that game that gets ignored.

2496
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see be rights in. He's from New York.

2497
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 1: We need an entire offense. He says, do you think

2498
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 1: these offseason moves would be enough Zach Robinson, ebro c

2499
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 1: re sign on when you sign Ridley or Hollywood Brown

2500
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, draft Jad and Daniels in the first

2501
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:09,800
Speaker 1: and draft a tackle in the second. Would those add

2502
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 1: up to.

2503
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 4: Would that make you a good offense?

2504
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2505
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 4: No, but that's a good start. Yeah, it's a really

2506
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:18,400
Speaker 4: good story. I'm all set on Hollywood Brown, but yeah, no,

2507
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:19,360
Speaker 4: I was thinking more Ridley.

2508
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but I mean that's sort of what my

2509
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 7: at some point, my dream off season thing that's been

2510
01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 7: written for like two weeks. We'll see the light of day.

2511
01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:30,240
Speaker 7: But until they actually like tell me what's happening in

2512
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:32,640
Speaker 7: this organization, it's kind of hard to do. But that's

2513
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:34,600
Speaker 7: like kind of what my along the lines of what

2514
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 7: I would say, like quarterback in the first round, tackle

2515
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,600
Speaker 7: at the top of the second round, pay somebody in

2516
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 7: free agency at wide receiver, bring on WHENU back and

2517
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 7: have you know, good coordinators and good coches.

2518
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 4: I think that's a good solid foundation to start to

2519
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 4: bring your offense back. Now, you still need a lot more.

2520
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeap. Luke's in North Attleborough. What's up, Luke? Luke? Yeah?

2521
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 22: Just called come on, ye, do you think some things

2522
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 22: are better left to chance?

2523
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 1: Like it depends on what you talk rather not stare.

2524
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:12,960
Speaker 22: At or replay for like thirty minutes during a game

2525
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 22: and maybe just move on and let it be up

2526
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 22: the chance instead of everything being right down to the

2527
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 22: nitty gritty of.

2528
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

2529
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 8: What? No?

2530
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 12: No?

2531
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 1: So rather than chance started, are some things left better

2532
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 1: left better left to chance?

2533
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 4: Is that what you say?

2534
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 13: Right?

2535
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 12: Like?

2536
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 1: Well, not like you know, sexually transmitted disease, You don't

2537
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: want to like leave that to chance? I got pink

2538
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 1: guy right now, Well there you go. See you left

2539
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,760
Speaker 1: that the chance And now you can't see how did

2540
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:45,840
Speaker 1: Fred know? Yeah?

2541
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 4: So what so what are we not leaving to chance?

2542
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:54,280
Speaker 22: It's just really like the instant reviews and like staring

2543
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 22: at a review for like thirty minutes, shying to figure

2544
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 22: it out.

2545
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:00,120
Speaker 4: I don't like what you're talking you're talking about he

2546
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 4: played reviews. I think he's saying.

2547
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:05,720
Speaker 7: I think he's saying that instead of everything like a

2548
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:09,040
Speaker 7: Challenger review, we just go with the call on the

2549
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:11,280
Speaker 7: field and like that those are the breaks, like you.

2550
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 22: Just have to go.

2551
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what he's saying, but I

2552
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I have the technology to get it right,

2553
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 1: get it right now was the closest I can get.

2554
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 4: You know what bugs me is like I think there's

2555
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 4: a strong argument to be made that you could get

2556
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 4: rid of replay because it's not used right. It's not

2557
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 4: they're not right all the time. Like what was the game?

2558
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 4: Who was the never mind? I can't remember what game

2559
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 4: it was. And then they said, oh, the Pittsburgh Buffalo game.

2560
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:41,200
Speaker 4: The guy fumbled friar move. He clearly fumbled and the

2561
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:43,720
Speaker 4: Bills clearly recovered it and bounced, and they go to

2562
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 4: replay and there's no, no, no it call stands like

2563
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:47,760
Speaker 4: that's what what bugs me if you're not going to

2564
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 4: use it right and don't use it at all.

2565
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:53,120
Speaker 1: Coming from tennis, I'm so glad with the technology now,

2566
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I kind of miss McEnroe yelling at people,

2567
01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 1: but you don't have to go do that anymore. Yeah,

2568
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 1: and now with the the majors, they don't even have lines.

2569
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:04,480
Speaker 4: People, do you see this qualifier by the way that

2570
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:05,840
Speaker 4: or whatever?

2571
01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you haven't watched any I haven't seen her. But

2572
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 1: like the tennis guy, they don't even need you know,

2573
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 1: beyond just you know, the close calls. They don't even

2574
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 1: have people anymore, and it's it makes it so much better.

2575
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 7: Well, I was we were watching, we watch the Bruins

2576
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 7: all the time, and that the guy, you know, if

2577
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 7: you clear it out of the of the ice, I'm

2578
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:30,480
Speaker 7: trying to think of the words, Uh, it's a penalty,

2579
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 7: right if he doesn't go in your own zone. And

2580
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 7: he flicked it right out without it going off of anything.

2581
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 7: And they said that it deflected and it never divided,

2582
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 7: and it was it wasn't even close. And like in

2583
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 7: the NFL, I'll give him credit. Like I think the

2584
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 7: NFL would have maybe had New York buzz down and

2585
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 7: say hey, like this is actually.

2586
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:50,120
Speaker 4: Although they didn't do that. And I was thinking the

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Speaker 4: same thing on that garbage passing appearance call on Kansas City. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: on Buffalo against Kansas City. I was waiting because the

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01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 4: women they have the long the long talk. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: they're going to fix this. They're going to fix it

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Speaker 4: because they had the replay that showed perfectly the Malmes

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Speaker 4: had the ball in his hands as the guy was

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Speaker 4: bumping them and it was within five yards and they

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Speaker 4: still call pass interference.

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Speaker 7: These are the things that I just just get it right,

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Speaker 7: you know in all sports, like you know, just we're

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02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 7: standing there on our couch and you can clear his days.

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Speaker 7: See it's a penalty, and yet the NHL decides to

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02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,800
Speaker 7: just go with the wrong call and it makes it.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't take thirty minutes like the caller said.

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Speaker 4: It takes ten. And I've been a bit of a

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02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 4: to get his point, get rid of get rid of

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02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:35,920
Speaker 4: replay guy like but Fred's point of no, I want

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02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:37,480
Speaker 4: them to get it right if they can. And the

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Speaker 4: play that really illustrates that is the Mikole Hardman fumble,

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02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:44,840
Speaker 4: Like that was really close. Yes, but they but the

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02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 4: ball was moving before his hip hit the ground, right,

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02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:49,520
Speaker 4: and that was a humongous play.

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Speaker 1: Oh I hate that rule though.

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Speaker 4: Oh the rule is going to be changed. Yeah, yeah.

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02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:55,960
Speaker 1: Evin mccorty says they should keep it.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of there's a lot of traction in

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02:00:58,400 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 7: the league to get that real change. I don't know

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Speaker 7: what it's going to go to, but it's not going

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02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:04,400
Speaker 7: to be a turnover. It'll maybe it'll be like a

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Speaker 7: or if. I don't know exactly what it's gonna be,

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02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:09,240
Speaker 7: but it will it will be different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I shouldn't lose the possession of the ball on

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02:01:11,680 --> 02:01:14,280
Speaker 1: a technicality so the other team has to take it away.

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Speaker 4: We applaud Andy Reid a lot on that play. That's

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02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:21,720
Speaker 4: a dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb play for a lot of reasons.

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02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,080
Speaker 4: One you're running it right down there throat, just running

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02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 4: into the end zone. And two you're flipping the ball

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02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:27,840
Speaker 4: to a guy who hasn't had the ball in his

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02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:29,440
Speaker 4: hands the whole game, in the middle of the fourth

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02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:33,920
Speaker 4: quarter in hardman and then he's loose with the ball

2627
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:35,400
Speaker 4: at the goal line. He kind of got what you

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02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:37,280
Speaker 4: deserved on that. And I love Andy Reid.

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02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:39,920
Speaker 1: You know that Paul Parrello school of clock management and

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02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:40,800
Speaker 1: fourth quarter play.

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Speaker 4: Actually he fumbled twice in that game. Yeah, but do

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02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:45,400
Speaker 4: you unders like, do you you know what I'm talking about?

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02:01:46,280 --> 02:01:48,520
Speaker 4: If you're given that to like Kelsey and he fumbles,

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02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 4: I don't have as much of an argument. But like,

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02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:53,640
Speaker 4: why are you're getting cute with a guy who hasn't

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02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:55,920
Speaker 4: really had the ball? He's been on IR for like

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02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:59,280
Speaker 4: two months? First world problem for Kansas City, But they

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02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:06,520
Speaker 4: check is a dog like he coincidence that Tony has

2639
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 4: been out the last couple of games and all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, the Chiefs offense looks fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's check. There's a couple of young guys like

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02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:16,520
Speaker 1: Ayuk and guys like that in the league now that

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02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:20,280
Speaker 1: are the next generation of really good players. It's exciting.

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Speaker 1: I take that all right. That's gonna be it for

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