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Speaker 1: with the Reformed Sports Project podcast as we continue our

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Speaker 1: trained functional neurologist, osteopath, and brain researcher who has worked

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Speaker 1: the most It's horrible, right, I mean, I'm a parent,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're a parent or not. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's so horrible. And you're seeing top level college athletes

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Speaker 1: that are taking their lives. You know, there are people

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Speaker 1: talking more of your having pro athletes talk about mental health,

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Speaker 1: mental wellness and all these things. Is there a direct

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Speaker 1: correlation between you know, the stress that's coming about or

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Speaker 1: that you have found in this whole press for eliteness,

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Speaker 1: right what, I don't even know that's the right word

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Speaker 1: about this press to keep up this foamo. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that that's tied to you know, more of these kids,

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Speaker 1: you know, taking their own lives. Yeah, it's yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a great question. It's obviously such a tragic question.

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Speaker 1: It's something that you know, I think about daily. I've

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Speaker 1: I've unfortunately had this happen in clinics, so I've you know,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to say sometimes, but I failed tremendously is

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Speaker 1: a clinician to a lot of people, and it's difficult

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Speaker 1: at times, and you know, the reality of it is

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Speaker 1: there's a correlation there, for sure. It's tough to then,

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Speaker 1: on an individual basis create some sort of what did

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Speaker 1: it cause? Did it causes another thing? But it's almost

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Speaker 1: like for me, I don't even care about the semantics

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Speaker 1: of whether or not people are going to say cause

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Speaker 1: or correlation. You you see this relationship there more than

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Speaker 1: enough times, and again it boils down to so many

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Speaker 1: things because behavior is one contextual and that context of

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Speaker 1: behavior can be based on something that happened early that morning,

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Speaker 1: a few seconds before whatever event, something that had happened

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Speaker 1: days before, months before, as you know, like this this

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Speaker 1: goes back to even again, as I always saying, not

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Speaker 1: only in utero, but this can go back to ancestors.

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Speaker 1: We just again we need to understand the context that

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Speaker 1: there are things that can shape the way the brain

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Speaker 1: is affected, and we need to understand that. So yes,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of that pattern that you will see there,

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Speaker 1: but we need to understand that there's so many things

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Speaker 1: at play that lead to that moment in time. So

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Speaker 1: for me, it's like, well, then how do we try

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Speaker 1: and ensure that the brain is healthy, How do we

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Speaker 1: try and ensure that there's a proper social environment around people?

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Speaker 1: How do we try and ensure that they Again, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to stress, it's like do they have the

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Speaker 1: ability to meet these challenges? And that's another part of

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Speaker 1: it that we need to be honest with is what

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Speaker 1: is the level of resiliency? So what is the capability

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Speaker 1: of this person to be able to handle these things?

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Speaker 1: And this is again this is an ecstatic thing that

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Speaker 1: you can just ask at one moment. This changes throughout time,

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Speaker 1: So we need to be able to get a better

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Speaker 1: grip on the dynamic nous of this thing moving forward,

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Speaker 1: and as best we can go back to those basic

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Speaker 1: principles of how we can help and then how do

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Speaker 1: we support along the way. So, of course we need

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Speaker 1: to be able to have resources to be able to

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Speaker 1: do cognitive behavioral therapy, we need to have resources to

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Speaker 1: be able to reduce stigma, and we need to do

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Speaker 1: all those sorts of things. But that stuff becomes even

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Speaker 1: more effective when you can set up the brain correctly

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Speaker 1: to be able to handle the sort of stress that

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Speaker 1: is being put on a good or bad Right, what

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Speaker 1: matters is what is stress for you? And then how

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Speaker 1: do I deal with it? Right? So how do you

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Speaker 1: get that tool box? So just like you can you

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Speaker 1: do things in moderation um for instance, you know there's

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Speaker 1: a big obviously I say push, but there are boundaries

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Speaker 1: of throwing the amount of pitches a kids should throw

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Speaker 1: at certain ages, right like there's certain amount of boundaries,

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Speaker 1: are certain preventative things you can do to increase the

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Speaker 1: likelihood of that arm staying healthier for a longer period

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Speaker 1: of time. So in essence, is it kind of like

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Speaker 1: you're saying there are ways to put together exercises or

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Speaker 1: formulas or you know, preventative things to help because the

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Speaker 1: brains of muscle, right, I feel like it's it's something

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Speaker 1: that I don't know much about, but like, there are

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Speaker 1: ways to strengthen it, there are ways to condition it.

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Speaker 1: There are ways to put things in play to prevent

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Speaker 1: or at least reduce the likelihood of of certain types

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Speaker 1: of you know, stress or whatever. Like, we have to

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Speaker 1: almost be just as much at the forefront of being

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Speaker 1: aware that the brains of muscle, just like your biceps

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Speaker 1: and muscle, just like your legs, are muscles all though,

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Speaker 1: is that kind of what you're saying, and there are

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Speaker 1: ways to kind of work on that. Brain is amazingly

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Speaker 1: plastic and this goes both ways. So it's like we

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Speaker 1: need to understand that it can be plastic in a

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Speaker 1: negative way. So this is where we see all these

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Speaker 1: changes that are happening in a negative way to the brain.

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Speaker 1: But the beauty and the most amazing thing is that

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Speaker 1: the brain itself is resilient. That makes us resilient, and

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Speaker 1: we still have the capability to change. It's hard, it

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Speaker 1: can happen. So I had this quote written literally on

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Speaker 1: on my whiteboard and clinic, which was from the poet

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Speaker 1: Robert frost and the quote was changed. Can happen, although

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Speaker 1: it is somewhere between difficult and impossible. My job as

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Speaker 1: a clinician is to lay out the expectations, or as

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Speaker 1: a medical person is to be able to say, what

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Speaker 1: are the expectations. I'm lying to you. If I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say, Nick, you know what, you just do this

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Speaker 1: five minutes of breathing and you know you're good to go,

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Speaker 1: it's like I'm lying to you. I've mismanaged your expectations.

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Speaker 1: So from a stress perspective, it's either like, okay, if

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Speaker 1: you did handle it. One of the stress probably wasn't

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Speaker 1: that bad to begin with. So now you've got a

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Speaker 1: false sense of self and everything around you in this

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Speaker 1: inflated sense of ego if you couldn't handle it, which

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Speaker 1: meant that the stressor was actually moderate to severe. Now

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Speaker 1: you've got a sense of failure because your expectations weren't

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Speaker 1: managed correctly. You call yourself, your kids, everybody around you,

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Speaker 1: and it's like no, no, no, no, no no. You

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Speaker 1: need to lay the foundation here. We've evolved to be

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Speaker 1: social creatures, keep kids socially engaged. We've evolved to move,

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Speaker 1: keep kids moving. But this movement has to be globally dictated.

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Speaker 1: It can't just be super specific to one movement pattern.

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Speaker 1: The brain solves problems through diversity, and diverse athletic development

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Speaker 1: is the same thing because then it nourishes all areas

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Speaker 1: of the brain in different ways. And we can discuss

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Speaker 1: that offline or another day. So it's like these are

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Speaker 1: things that you know, it doesn't have to always be

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Speaker 1: so complex. It's like the brain because it's super greedy,

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Speaker 1: need the massive amount of energy, proper nutrition, you know,

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Speaker 1: understanding sleep, getting kids to move, keeping socially engaged. A

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Speaker 1: lot of those are just low hanging through and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure those things out.

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Speaker 1: That's how we've evolved, and we start there. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound supersports specific or anything that goes are the fundamentals

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Speaker 1: to how the brain is evolved. It's the fundamentals to

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Speaker 1: how the brain works. We give it those basic fundamentals

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Speaker 1: and it can do wonderful things, especially at young ages

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Speaker 1: where it's so plastic. We can get into so much more.

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Speaker 1: We're definitely gonna have to dive more into the versatility

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Speaker 1: aspect of It's a big component we cover here. You know,

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Speaker 1: especially at young ages sports sampling, and we had we

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Speaker 1: had David Epstein on you know, author of Range in

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Speaker 1: the Sports scene, where we really got into that. But

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Speaker 1: Daniel Glucci, tell us where we can find you, you know,

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Speaker 1: give us a little bit real quick and where people

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Speaker 1: can go and learn more about what you do and

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Speaker 1: your work and your company. Neuro Scene. Sure, neural Scene,

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Speaker 1: neural scene dot com is out there in the worldwide web.

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Speaker 1: We have an app in the app store neuro and

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Speaker 1: you are, oh, you're gonna see we're actually making it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We've released just the first version a couple of months ago,

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Speaker 1: so we're still kind of testing it out in our

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Speaker 1: sports specific version is going to be releasing relatively soon.

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Speaker 1: And then Twitter, Daniel Glucci, I think it's neuro Gaffer,

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Speaker 1: which is coach, so yeah, and uh and I think

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Speaker 1: that's I think that's about it. But yeah, I totally

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Speaker 1: appreciate the chance of being able to chat today. Nick.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Dannel. I appreciate your work, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. You're a freaking stud and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to dive in more with you man. And uh, I

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Speaker 1: just thank you so much for your time. Brother. Thank

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Speaker 1: you man, Thank you, and uh yeah, look forward to

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Speaker 1: chatting against you. That's Daniel Glucci, co founder and Chief

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Speaker 1: Innovation Officer of neural C. Thanks for listening to the

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Speaker 1: Reform Sports Project podcast. I'm Nick Boticourt and our goal

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Speaker 1: is to restore a healthy balance and perspective in all

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Speaker 1: areas of sports through education and advocacy. For updates, please

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