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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday. We have a great show for everyone today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: We watched the third Republican debates so that you don't

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Speaker 1: have to fold all the highlights you want to call

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Speaker 1: them the We'll break it all down for you what

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Speaker 3: Also, there are some polls coming out of.

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Speaker 1: How various viewers felt about the debate and who they

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Speaker 1: thought quote unquote one, so we'll get into all of that.

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Speaker 1: We also, of course have our eye continuing to watch

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Speaker 1: closely the situation unfolding in Gaza. We've got some new

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Speaker 1: comments both from Tony Blincoln laying out some us you

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Speaker 1: might call them redlines, but our view the Biden administration's

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Speaker 1: view of what the post war situation should look like.

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Speaker 1: Some new comments from John Kirby that are also very

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Speaker 1: revealing and sort of shifting the goalpost in terms of

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Speaker 1: initially Biden said no Israeli occupation of Gaza. Well they're

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Speaker 1: changing their tune a little bit there, so we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that. We also have some incredible clips of Republican

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Speaker 1: cope post Tuesday nights election results, which were by and

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Speaker 1: large very good for Democrats and very bad for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: We'll give you those and let's tell you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of what Sagar and I think of all of that. Also,

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton popped up to make her case for Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden why she still thinks that he is the best

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Speaker 1: candidate in spite of.

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Speaker 3: Very low pulling.

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Speaker 1: And we have an interesting clip we wanted to break

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Speaker 1: down for you between Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson centering

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Speaker 1: around freespeed with regard to.

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Speaker 3: The you know, Israel's war on Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So we will get into all of that, and also

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Speaker 1: a little teaser for later today. We've got Vi vike

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Speaker 1: posting that as soon as.

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Speaker 3: We've got that writy for you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. Thank you so much for our premium

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Speaker 2: We'll get his initial reaction to the big scum moment

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Speaker 2: that everybody is talking about. But let me not get

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Speaker 2: too ahead of ourselves. Let's go ahead and start with

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Speaker 2: this quote unquote highlights of the debate. So we picked

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Speaker 2: some of the best moments, or at least some of

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Speaker 2: the more illustrative moments, because I know many of you

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Speaker 2: didn't want to stay up past your bedtime and watch it.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame you, you know. I certainly don't feel

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Speaker 2: One credit to the moderators is this is that they

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Speaker 2: And actually the very first one was to Governor Ron

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Speaker 2: DeSantis of why should I support you and not Trump?

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Speaker 2: What is your pitch to Trump voters? Here's what he

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Speaker 4: Now, if you look where we are now. It's a

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump's a lot different guy than he was in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. He owes it to you to be on

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Speaker 4: this stage and explain why he should get another chance.

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Speaker 4: He should explain why he didn't have Mexico pay for

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Speaker 4: the swamp. And he said, Republicans, we're going to get

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Speaker 4: tired of winning. What we saw last night. I'm sick

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Speaker 4: We want a historic victory, including a massive landslide right

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Speaker 2: That's how we have to do it. So, Chris Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm calling this the effective in the electable case. I

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Speaker 2: I wish politics work this way. You have a guy

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Speaker 2: most people are not voting on that in fact at all.

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Speaker 2: If anything, they're rejecting you simply because the other guy

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Speaker 2: sanctimonious and that's enough. So that's what loyalty, that's what

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Speaker 2: that's part of why in much of our analysis we're like,

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Speaker 2: can you really win a debate where everybody is losing

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Speaker 2: by fifty points? Yeah? Hard to say.

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Speaker 1: Kyle and I were having this debate last night too,

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, sure, I yes, I mean, I'm sure if.

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Speaker 1: You want to say that, but what does that really

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Speaker 1: mean in the grand scheme of things? But you know,

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Speaker 1: on this Trump point in particular, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the best possible case that he can make.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's so much that Republican voters

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Speaker 3: I think some of them definitely do.

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Speaker 1: But you know, they're looking at the same poles we're

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Speaker 1: looking at of Trump beating Biden in five on a

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Speaker 1: and they're saying, hey, we're not that worried. Looks pretty

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Speaker 3: So there's that.

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Speaker 1: There's the fact that the attacks that have been made

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Speaker 1: Maybe if you'd laid the groundwork for it from the

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Speaker 1: This was really one of the only mentions of Trump.

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Speaker 1: are we even really doing the religiousist debate even really

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Speaker 1: about this sort of like existential question hanging over this

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean there's no question about that. And

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Speaker 2: it's one of those where I understand where they're coming from,

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Speaker 2: and you can do that. But it's also basically negligent

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Speaker 2: him is, like you said, electability. He's beaten Biden five

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Speaker 2: out of six poles. Why should anybody vote for you?

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Speaker 2: irrelevant side show to that point, though, there was one

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Speaker 6: You have the likes of Nikki Haley, who stepped down

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Speaker 2: Slamdi we got two of them. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: fair to call Ron Dick Cheney in three inch heels.

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Speaker 2: The heels is fine, It's just he can't be called dictator.

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Speaker 2: Cheney is a pejorative. We should reserve only for the

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Speaker 2: biggest scum. Note that what I'm saying there. The thing

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Speaker 2: bolstered by her South Carolina colleague to also call for

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Speaker 2: war with Iran. I am not exaggerating. We have the

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Speaker 7: That's first like to say, there's five inch heels and

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Speaker 7: I don't wear them unless you can run on them.

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Speaker 1: We've got two of you on school.

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Speaker 7: Second thing that I will say is I wear heels.

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Speaker 7: They're not for a fashion statement, They're for ammunition. What

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Speaker 7: could be targeted. We need to understand this is Iran

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Speaker 7: giving the green light telling them what to do, and

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Speaker 7: we shouldn't be doing the tip for tat like what

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden has done. We need to go and take

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Speaker 7: out their infrastructure that they are using to make those

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Speaker 3: Iran responds to strength.

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Speaker 1: You punch them one, and you punch them.

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Speaker 3: Hard and they will back off.

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Speaker 2: But what we don't.

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Speaker 7: in the Iran deal.

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Speaker 8: You have to strike in Iran if you want to

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Speaker 8: make a difference. You cannot just continue to have strikes

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Speaker 2: just shows me who what DeSantis is really all about,

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Speaker 2: especially given how can you talk such a big game

436
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Speaker 2: about campuses and all that He just brought Ben sass

437
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Speaker 2: believe is the chancellor of the University of Florida system

438
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 2: again with the we're going to be all about free

439
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 2: speech and all that and listen, cool, you know, but

440
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Speaker 2: as long as these organizations aren't hurting anybody, well, it's

441
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Speaker 2: a free country. Like I don't understand why we can't

442
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 2: just allow it to be. Look the dumb asses sign

443
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Speaker 2: on to a letter, all right, I mean, you know, okay,

444
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 2: look their names Republic. You know, if you want to

445
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 2: go out against him, I wouldn't recommend it, but if

446
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 2: you want to, you can. But if these people want

447
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Speaker 2: to continue to do so, there's nothing particularly wrong with that.

448
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: You could say it's a pr inter morally objectionable or whatever,

449
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Speaker 2: but he's outright wanting to ban these places on campus.

450
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Speaker 2: So clearly they've learned nothing, and I think he's viewed.

451
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Speaker 2: I think he has been exposed completely, is full of

452
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Speaker 2: it on this issue, which may make correctly I think called.

453
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Speaker 1: Him out for Vivic was the only person on the

454
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Speaker 1: stage who had a divergent view on this issue. Everybody else,

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Speaker 1: I mean, basically the whole Republican Party, with very few exceptions,

456
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Speaker 1: has gone all in. They sound like the woke college

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Speaker 1: kids who were like roundly mocked for their language about

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Speaker 1: microaggressions and safe deism and the need for safe spaces,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And then you know, the minute it serves

460
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Speaker 1: their political cause of the moment, they're all in on

461
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Speaker 1: the exact same language. And I'm not surprised because it

462
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Speaker 1: has always been the case that even when they were

463
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Speaker 1: at their height peak of like talking about this canceled

464
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Speaker 1: culture and PC culture and all of this stuff, and

465
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Speaker 1: you know, people being snowflakes, et cetera, they never would

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Speaker 1: call out when people were getting canceled for a divergent

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Speaker 1: view on Israel Palestine. They were always silent on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I always knew it was very one sided and

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Speaker 1: that it was more about controlling speech and having their

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Speaker 1: speech be uncensored than it was a truly principled take

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Speaker 1: in favor of free speech on campus or anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: And so so again I'm not surprised, but it's also

473
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Speaker 1: just it is really something to see how quickly they

474
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Speaker 1: flip on a dime and how much they just immediately

475
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Speaker 1: adopt all the language of like the silliest parts of

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Speaker 1: left lilf liberalism in service of their own political goals.

477
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was it's wild to see it all

478
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Speaker 1: laid out there, and I just don't it really is

479
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Speaker 1: hard for me to wrap my head around how they

480
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Speaker 1: don't see the blatant hypocrisy in it and don't at

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Speaker 1: least try to message around it, or use some different language,

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Speaker 1: or draw some different boundaries, some way of distinguishing themselves.

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Speaker 1: But no, I mean, once again, absolutely nothing has been learned.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, I think the reason why you

485
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Speaker 2: get away with it is very simple is that the

486
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Speaker 2: right wing industrial complex is not built to be consistent.

487
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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, neither is the democratic media organization, so

488
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Speaker 2: it's not particularly unique. But when you live in an

489
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Speaker 2: ideological bubble, it's just all about going with the team.

490
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Speaker 2: There's no the terms of like external enforcement being like, hey,

491
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Speaker 2: you're being hypocritical. I bet it does not even pass

492
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Speaker 2: his mind because it's within the donor bubble, and it's

493
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Speaker 2: within the Daily Wire ecosystem. You've got like Ben Shapiro

494
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Speaker 2: like probably cheering this on from the sideline. So if

495
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Speaker 2: that's the ecosystem that you're swimming in, like, why do

496
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Speaker 2: you need to be considered like you pay no price

497
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Speaker 2: for being inconsistent? Right, And that's part of the problem

498
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Speaker 2: with the race to the bottom around all of this,

499
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Speaker 2: And you know, I guess that's a lot of reason

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Speaker 2: why we try and do what we do here. It's

501
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Speaker 2: a good way of STA actually saying in check. So anyways, guys,

502
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Speaker 2: that's the highlights, the low lights or whatever, if you will.

503
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Speaker 2: As we said, we've got that clip with vivik Ramaswami.

504
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Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking to him after the show wraps

505
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Speaker 2: and we'll be posting that asap. Let's get to the

506
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Speaker 2: next part here, the winners and the losers. Can there

507
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Speaker 2: be such a thing as a win? It's a nice

508
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Speaker 2: meta question. Well we asked or not weedn't asked? The

509
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Speaker 2: Daily Mail had a snappole, let's go and put this

510
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Speaker 2: up there on the screen, please, They asked five hundred

511
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Speaker 2: and forty four viewers immediately after the debate wrapped, who

512
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Speaker 2: do you think won the debate? And interestingly enough, the

513
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Speaker 2: viewing audience overwhelmingly going with Ron DeSantis. And I could

514
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Speaker 2: see it, Crystal. He didn't have a bad moment, he

515
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Speaker 2: didn't get drawn into the mud quote unquote. You know,

516
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Speaker 2: in terms of the whole Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswami thing,

517
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Speaker 2: they had twenty nine percent a secondary, say Niki Haley.

518
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Speaker 2: That actually tracks for me, because the thing is is

519
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Speaker 2: that if you are one of these people who is

520
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Speaker 2: never Trump, that's gonna be what twenty maybe twenty percent,

521
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Speaker 2: thirty percent or whatever at max within the Republican Party,

522
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Speaker 2: then I think Nikki is a great candidate for you, Like,

523
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Speaker 2: if you are someone who is against Trump for rhetorical

524
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Speaker 2: reasons and on policy grounds, she's as good as it

525
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: gets right whenever it comes to a return to like

526
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Speaker 2: two thousand and four, to the Bush era. That's as

527
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Speaker 2: she basically embodies that in a candidate. It totally makes

528
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Speaker 2: sense to me that she is coalescing as the anti

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Speaker 2: Trump candidate, specifically with Dessant dislike in this very odd

530
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Speaker 2: middle part of the reason why I think his candidacy

531
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Speaker 2: doesn't truly have a lot of strength to it because

532
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Speaker 2: there's not as much of a coherent case. So the

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Speaker 2: top one of the top two slot it makes sense

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Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me dis react that. First of all, the

536
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Speaker 1: poll they did was only Disanta s and Nikky Haley.

537
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Speaker 1: They just wanted to see, like who was the top

538
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Speaker 1: contender of those two because they've kind of, you know,

539
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Speaker 1: separated themselves a little bit from the rest of the pack.

540
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Speaker 1: So it's like, all right, who's the top Trump alternative.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like Nikki's performance was I'm putting substance aside.

542
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Speaker 1: We're just talking about theatric synoptics here and whatever. It's

543
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Speaker 1: very uneven. Yeah, I mean, even like her comeback about

544
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Speaker 1: the heels, You're like, wait, what what what does that

545
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Speaker 1: even mean? And it was all a little bit like that.

546
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Speaker 1: There's another moment she clearly I mean she detests vivic almost.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's like I think she has taken it,

548
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Speaker 1: like the Amy versus Pete level animosity. I do believe

549
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Speaker 1: she has taken it to a whole other level. And

550
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Speaker 1: so there's other moment where they're going back and forth

551
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Speaker 1: about TikTok and Vek was trying to call her a

552
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Speaker 1: hypocrite because her daughter's on TikTok and she is.

553
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Speaker 2: We can talk about that reasonable reason anyway.

554
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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I can understand some other

555
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Speaker 1: way you're reacting to your daughter being brought into this debate.

556
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Speaker 1: But she said this thing, keep my daughter's name out

557
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Speaker 1: of your voice.

558
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think she was trying to go for

559
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: that violin of keep out of your mouth. Yeah.

560
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Speaker 1: And so that's kind of like typifies her whole thing

561
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: was a little uneven, a little messy, not really sticking

562
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Speaker 1: the landing. And then it also felt kind of tired

563
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Speaker 1: because a lot of the same talking points that had

564
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Speaker 1: worked for her previously, especially on abortion, she was rolling

565
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Speaker 1: them all out again. So she didn't come across particularly

566
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Speaker 1: well in this debate. And I mean to an extent

567
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Speaker 1: that it matters at all. There was a chance she's

568
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Speaker 1: had a lot of donor interests, a lot of media

569
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Speaker 1: interest before her. There was a chance she could really

570
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Speaker 1: eclipse DeSantis as the top Trump alternative. And I think

571
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Speaker 1: this debate makes it harder for her to be able.

572
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Speaker 3: To do that.

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Speaker 1: I think Ron hangs on bites fingertips to his number

574
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Speaker 1: two slot that he typically has in most of the polls,

575
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Speaker 1: and so you know, from that perspective, I guess it

576
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Speaker 1: maybe matters. But yeah, Ron DeSantis lives to fight another

577
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Speaker 1: day as the top Trump alternative. Nikki Haley probably stays

578
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: more or less static, and the race just basically stays

579
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: where it is, which is great for Trump.

580
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's great for Trump. When we were talking

581
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: about speaking time and all that, this is one of

582
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: those it's a good metrics sometimes. Let's gohea and put

583
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen in terms of who

584
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: spoke the most. So Tim Scott clocked in eighteen minutes

585
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Speaker 2: and fifty five seconds. I was telling you before it

586
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Speaker 2: only makes sense to me because he takes so goddamn

587
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: long to finish a sentence, and because the moderators you

588
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: were saying, actually have a soft spot form and we're

589
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: allowing him to talk over now Hailey Ramaswami, that tracks completely.

590
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Speaker 2: You got seventeen fifty and seventeen minutes and twenty seven

591
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Speaker 2: seconds those two because they were battling it out and

592
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: they were both trying to lob attacks. Not only we

593
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: had each other, but at DeSantis, it makes sense Desanta

594
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Speaker 2: is coming in at sixteen thirty six. Again, I don't

595
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Speaker 2: think he came through scathed. I don't think he came

596
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Speaker 2: through unscathed.

597
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 9: I don't know.

598
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: It's just the entire thing. Again, it just seems like

599
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: a little bit farcicle. Whenever you have Trump, who was

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00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: doing a rally in Hilea in Florida and which was

601
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Speaker 2: dominating in terms of actual like enthusiasm with Republicans. Chris Christy,

602
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Speaker 2: the fifth man on the stage, got sixteen minutes and

603
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: fifteen seconds. I don't think anybody had to particularly breakthrough moment.

604
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody had, you know, particularly great moment

605
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: or any of that. Let's go to the next one. Please.

606
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: Here on the screen, here you could see the actual

607
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 2: like subjects that were discussed. There was like abortion, economy, Ukraine,

608
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: fence and all China. This doesn't make one hundred percent

609
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: sense because they didn't combine Israel with the anti semitism conversation.

610
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: There was a decent amount, but I thought this one

611
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Speaker 2: was a useful one who was attacked the most, and

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Speaker 2: it was Nikki Haley DeSantis in Ramaswami almost really almost

613
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Speaker 2: as a tie in terms of the attacks, with Haley

614
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Speaker 2: slightly edging them out. Nobody had the nobody had the

615
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Speaker 2: what just wanted to waste the time of attacking Tim

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Speaker 2: Scott and Chris Christy. I got to say, and I'm

617
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Speaker 2: curious what you think?

618
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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

619
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Speaker 2: I think Christy is the biggest disappointment of this whole side.

620
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Speaker 2: He's had three moments to redo his twenty sixteen magic.

621
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Speaker 2: What happened to this guy? You know what I mean?

622
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Speaker 2: He he had I know, like some vigor I think about.

623
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: I was like, where did the right hand come? Where

624
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: did it go? Man? Did you get old?

625
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: Like?

626
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: What is it?

627
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Speaker 1: Yes, he'd be something on the debate stage, you know,

628
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Speaker 1: of all of them. I have always respected his talent.

629
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Speaker 1: And the other thing that's weird to me is not

630
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Speaker 1: only did he have some of those moments in twenty sixteen,

631
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Speaker 1: but he also has had some of those moments in

632
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Speaker 1: this campaign, not on.

633
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Speaker 3: The debate stage.

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Speaker 1: You know, he'll like go on Newsmax and fight with

635
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Speaker 1: Eric Bowling or he just had that I was talking

636
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Speaker 1: about earlier speaking to a Republican group and like jousting

637
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: with the audience about Trump's electability and telling them, listen,

638
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: you may not want to.

639
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: Hear it, but this is reality.

640
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Speaker 1: And it's again. I don't think it would like elevate

641
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: him in terms of his pulling, but it's at least

642
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: an interesting moment. He's just so flat in these debates

643
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Speaker 1: and I don't really understand it. I don't know where

644
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: his feistiness. You know, back in New Jersey he came

645
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Speaker 1: to prominence. Republicans fell in love with him because he'd

646
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Speaker 1: do these town halls and like fight with union teachers

647
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Speaker 1: and stuff.

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00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: That was his whole thing. So I don't know what

649
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Speaker 3: happened there.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting to me on that graphic we had

651
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Speaker 1: about who was taking the most attack, Vivek was definitely

652
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Speaker 1: like number one or close to number one in all

653
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Speaker 1: three debates. He was the one who was most consistently

654
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Speaker 1: the center of attention throughout all of these debates.

655
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Speaker 3: And you know, the first time.

656
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Speaker 1: We really felt like, oh, this is going to be

657
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Speaker 1: good for him because he's in there, he's mixing it up,

658
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: he's unafraid. He's really you know, fearless and forceful and

659
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: grabbing everybody's attention. But it didn't wear well with voters. Actually,

660
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of awkward to ask him about

661
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Speaker 1: but I actually do want to kind of ask him

662
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Speaker 1: about this when we have him on today. So now

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Speaker 1: when I see him again the center of attention, and

664
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Speaker 1: this like really nasty back and forth between him and

665
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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley where she called him scum, and the moderators

666
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Speaker 1: didn't even give him a chance to respond to that.

667
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they didn't hear it because it

668
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Speaker 1: was a little bit off. But that was the other

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Speaker 1: thing I noticed in the speaking time is the moderators

670
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Speaker 1: really seem to favor Tim Scott Nikki Haley, and they

671
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: were always looking for a way to like, Nikki, do

672
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Speaker 1: you want to respond to what was said about you?

673
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: But then when she literally calls Vavek scum, which is

674
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: that's another level of nasty, that's like Trump level of nastiness,

675
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, and then they did there's no like, hey, Vivek,

676
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Speaker 1: you want to say anything to that. So anyway, my

677
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: big takeaway is you've got all of these second rate politicians, sorry,

678
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: tearing each other to shreds in a debate that is diminishing,

679
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: Yes for all of them, Yes, it can only benefit Trump,

680
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: it can only bend it, like there is only one

681
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: person who could No matter really what happened to that debate,

682
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: there was only one person who could win it. So

683
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: at this point, it's hard to say anything other than

684
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Speaker 1: it was a loss for everybody on that stage. You know,

685
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Speaker 1: they all I don't even think any of them are

686
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: jockeying really for vice president at this point. I don't

687
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: even know if I'm even really jockeying for an administration

688
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: position at this point. I don't even know what the

689
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Speaker 1: point of these things are really, Given that Trump was

690
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: absent and he wasn't mentioned, They're not really taking that

691
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Speaker 1: many shots at him, and so it just seems kind

692
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Speaker 1: of pointless, waste of time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, I think you're probably right, although it should

694
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Speaker 2: be different. Trump did have a rally, as I mentioned,

695
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Speaker 2: am I saying that correctly? Probably not the Floridans can

696
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: get out of me. I don't know. Good hileah, heileah,

697
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: whatever the hell it is, whatever you guys call it.

698
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Down there, he had a rally. Sarah Sanders was there,

699
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Speaker 2: the current governor of Arkansas's former press secretary. She endorsed

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Speaker 2: him fully on the stage here's what happened.

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Speaker 10: Biden and the Left have failed over and over again,

702
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 10: and they know it, and you know it, and it

703
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 10: is time for a change. That is why tonight I

704
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 10: am so proud to endorse my former boss, my friend,

705
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 10: and everybody's favorite President Donald J.

706
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: Trump.

707
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: Sarah Sanders back at the podium where I remember her,

708
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: just to endorse Trump, although she's got some other podium

709
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Speaker 2: is Shue.

710
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Speaker 9: He and I were talking a little bit about that podium.

711
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 9: If it ever elevates to the national level, maybe we'll

712
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 9: talk about it. The details are genuinely kind of funny.

713
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 9: The issue I think here is DeSantis.

714
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Speaker 2: He had this big endorsement come in into this debate,

715
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Speaker 2: which we didn't even really mention. He got the freaking

716
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Speaker 2: Iowa governor to endorse him. I mean, once upon a

717
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Speaker 2: time that was it. You're done, You're gonna win the

718
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: Iowa caucuses. I mean, that's awesome. In the Trump era,

719
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Speaker 2: it barely rates, especially with Israel pala sign. And the

720
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Speaker 2: reason why this was significant is Sanders, even though she

721
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Speaker 2: worked for him behind the scenes, Trump has been on

722
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Speaker 2: her for a long time. He's like, you need to

723
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Speaker 2: endorse me, you need to endorse me. She wasn't doing it.

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Speaker 2: She was holding out because maybe she was going to

725
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Speaker 2: endorse DeSantis. I mean, they're part of the RGA, the

726
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Speaker 2: Republican Governors Association. They probably gotten to know each other

727
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Speaker 2: all that stuff. And you know, she's a younger person too,

728
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Speaker 2: and even though she worked for him, she can maybe

729
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Speaker 2: she wanted to see where the party goes. The fact

730
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Speaker 2: that she's willing to endorse him on the stage in Florida,

731
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Speaker 2: De Santa's home state, I mean, that's the biggest middle

732
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Speaker 2: finger you got, right, like in terms of saying who

733
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Speaker 2: I'm with and what I'm doing. So they did it

734
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Speaker 2: for a reason, just to roll it out. They did

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Speaker 2: it in the same state, same home state for these

736
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Speaker 2: two men, and guess who had a ton of people.

737
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Speaker 2: They're chanting his name at one point, even in the

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Speaker 2: debate states they were chanting Trump. That's how potent this

739
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Speaker 2: man is. Wow, Yeah, that's how he is. That is wild.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is interesting.

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Speaker 1: You might think if you're just watching on the surface level, like, oh,

742
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Speaker 1: of course Sarah Huckby Sanders, like she worked for him,

743
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Speaker 1: of course she's going to endorse him. But there's a

744
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Speaker 1: reason why she held out this long as you said

745
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Speaker 1: through the RGA. Also, I mean Asa Hutchinson, who she

746
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Speaker 1: has to know well, you know, for the state of

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Speaker 1: Arkansas was running as well, and so maybe out of

748
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Speaker 1: a little bit of respect for him, she held back.

749
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Speaker 1: So it is one of those you take note because

750
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Speaker 1: you can just see everyone now is accepting, all right,

751
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: this is inevitable. I better make my peace with it.

752
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: I better like get in good with this political machine

753
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: because this man might be president of the United States again.

754
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Speaker 1: So let me go ahead and jump on board while

755
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Speaker 1: this is still while that's still possible to do, which

756
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Speaker 1: is part of why it was surprising actually that Kim Reynolds,

757
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Speaker 1: the governor of Iowa, decided to endorse DeSantis now because

758
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Speaker 1: it's so clear he's going to lose. It was like,

759
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: maybe this maybe would have helped him or at least

760
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Speaker 1: give him a positive news cycle early on.

761
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Speaker 3: How the writing is so on the wall. There's no

762
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Speaker 3: drama around this whatsoever.

763
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Speaker 2: I think it's an abortion thing. Actually, I think she

764
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: probably took it very personally, as I understand she's quite religious,

765
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Speaker 2: and there's.

766
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Speaker 1: A lot of religious rights, very ideological.

767
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically Trump attacked her and DeSantis right for

768
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Speaker 2: signing the similar bit in a six week bill. What

769
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Speaker 2: did he call it cruel or something like that? And

770
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Speaker 2: so I think, you know, just reading the tea leaves

771
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: based on people I've spoken to and stuff, that a

772
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: lot of it is ideological in terms of where her

773
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Speaker 2: base of support comes from. I mean, I was on

774
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: a Maga state in terms of its traditional Republican coalition.

775
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Speaker 2: People there like Trump, but they've been Republicans there for

776
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Speaker 2: a long time. They you know, they voted for Michelle

777
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Speaker 2: Oh no, so for Rick Santorum. Yeah, And at one

778
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 2: point Bachmann was leading, was doing well there, that type

779
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: of candidate, and all the exactly also.

780
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Speaker 1: Did it well there. Yeah, So I think I think

781
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Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, I just you know, there is I

782
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Speaker 1: guess the biggest surprise of both the Democratic and the

783
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Speaker 1: Republican primaries is there really is no surprise.

784
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Speaker 3: There's very little drama. Things can change, you never know,

785
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 3: anything can happen one of these dudes. Look, they're both old.

786
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Speaker 1: You never know if they're helping to hold that or whatever. Right,

787
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: who knows. But at this point it looks like most

788
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: of the drama is going to come in the general election.

789
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Speaker 1: And that's something we've been talking a lot about, is

790
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: the fact that RFK continues to pull. You know that

791
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: New York Times poll, Ryan and Emily covered it yesterday

792
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: that we noted we started pulling out the cross tabs

793
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: and going, wait a second, they did pull RFK, and

794
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: he is beating them among young voters in all of

795
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Speaker 1: these swing states. He's clocking what was it, twenty four

796
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: percent overall in these swing states. I mean that is

797
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: a massive percentage. So there is going to be a

798
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Speaker 1: lot of drama and intrigue going into the general election.

799
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Speaker 1: I just don't know if we're going to have any

800
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Speaker 1: real drama or suspense around who the major party not.

801
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Speaker 2: No, I think you're right, and you've actually you were

802
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: the per first person flag it around RFK, and I

803
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 2: think it's a huge story. This is only a personal anecdote.

804
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: But I posted, you know whatever, the tweet on Instagram

805
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this is just interesting. It's

806
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Speaker 2: one of the most viral things I posted in a

807
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Speaker 2: long time. And look, it's the smallest ample size, but

808
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Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, that's but it's not the

809
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: only pis showing exactly. It's just like, oh interesting in

810
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Speaker 2: terms of the support, like all the people sharing it

811
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Speaker 2: being RFK, and I had all these rfk people who

812
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Speaker 2: were sharing on there and got thousands and thousands of shares. Again,

813
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Speaker 2: I have a good sense sometimes of like what the

814
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: media is not covering and then what is like a

815
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Speaker 2: real organic phenomenon. And I'm telling you, I think that

816
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: man's support is very real and without fail, almost none

817
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: of it has to do with vaccines or any of

818
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: this other stuff. It's I hate hate Joe Biden, Donald Trump.

819
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 2: I am doing this purely as a support to say

820
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: screw you to the both party system, to the GOP

821
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: and the Democratic establishment. And he's a Kennedy It's like

822
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Speaker 2: every single time and without fail. And I think that.

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Speaker 2: And then also if you combine some of this hardcore

824
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Speaker 2: support around the vaccine issue and all that, I mean,

825
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: he's just some of most organized people on the planet.

826
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Speaker 2: So you put that together, like real organized, die hard

827
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: folks with you know this sentiment which is probably the

828
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Speaker 2: most widespread one of the country. Seventy eighty ninety percent

829
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Speaker 2: of people can say they're not satisfied with the current system.

830
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Speaker 2: And I think you're you're really signing yourself up for

831
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Speaker 2: a big story. So we'll continue to watch it, and

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Speaker 2: we're working on our folks group right now to get

833
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Speaker 2: an RF focus group.

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Speaker 1: I am very interested, and there's been very little reporting

835
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Speaker 1: or analysis of like, Okay, we're guessing about who his

836
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: base is, and that a lot of it has to

837
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Speaker 1: do with just discussed with these two candidates, and his

838
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: name is Kennedy, right, and doesn't go a lot deeper

839
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: than that, although there is certainly a group of people

840
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: for whom they know everything about him and they are

841
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: affirmatively on board with everything he stands for. But I

842
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: think the level of his support mostly comes from that,

843
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: just like he's a Kennedy. I like the name and

844
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Speaker 1: screw these two guys, but we.

845
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Speaker 3: Don't really know that.

846
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Speaker 1: And so I really want to talk to some of

847
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Speaker 1: his supporters and hear from them directly about what it

848
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: is that they see in him, and also see how

849
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: solid that support is, because that's the other big question

850
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: with the third party candidate. Typically the polls really fall

851
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: off for them as you get closer your election nay,

852
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: and people kind of realize, like, all right, it's really

853
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: going to be one of these two dudes, So let

854
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: me just suck it up and pick them or stay home.

855
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: Or whatever.

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Speaker 1: A lot of his support comes from people who don't

857
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: vote a lot, so are they as committed to him,

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00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, sufficiently committed to him to actually show up.

859
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions about what's going on, none

860
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: of which has been explored in the press at this point.

861
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: So that's something we're definitely going to continue to dig

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00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: into as things progress. And he could very even if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get twenty percent of the vote, if he

864
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Speaker 1: gets ten percent, that still could be the deciding factor

865
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Speaker 1: depending on who he takes from and how this all

866
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: shakes out. So anyway, something to continue to watch. We

867
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: have our eye on what is unfolding in Gaza with

868
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: Israel's war on Gaza, as we brought you previously. So

869
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: the one thing that Biden has said kind of consistently

870
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: from the beginning is it would be a quote big

871
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: mistake if Israel was to reoccupy Gaza after this war.

872
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: We brought you earlier in the week that Netanyahu went

873
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: on one of the Sunday shows here in America and said,

874
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: we will occupy Gaza.

875
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: We will likely occupy.

876
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: Gaza indefinitely until we figure out the security situation that

877
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: seems to have caused a shift in way that the

878
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: administration is framing their recommendations here and their expectations for Gaza.

879
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: So this isn't going to play you a response from

880
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: John Kirby, who's the ANC spokesperson. And also then on the

881
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: other side of that, we have Netanyahu's original comments just

882
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: for reference.

883
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen the.

884
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 11: Secreary state of these comments today.

885
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: Also, we came to a transition.

886
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: Period after this conflict.

887
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 6: Could you expand on that and explain what does a

888
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 6: transition through re right to the s administration.

889
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 12: I think he was referring to this idea, and it

890
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 12: came up yesterday were Prime mister n Yah who talked

891
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 12: about an indefinite period where they would be on the ground.

892
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 12: I think he was referring to the idea the fact

893
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 12: that in the immediate aftermath of conflict, it's it's certainly

894
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 12: plausible that for at least some period of time Israeli

895
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 12: defense forces are still going to be in Gaza to

896
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 12: manage the immediate aftermath and the security situation. But that

897
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 12: nothing's changed about our view that that shouldn't be the

898
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 12: long term solution, that it shouldn't be about idea of

899
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 12: reoccupation of Gaza as a long term governance solution.

900
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: Who should govern Gaza when this is over?

901
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 13: Those who don't want to continue the way of Hamas

902
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 13: and certainly is not the I think Israel will for

903
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 13: an indefinite period, we'll have the overall security responsibility, because

904
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 13: we've seen what happens when we don't have it. When

905
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 13: we don't have that security responsibility, what we have is

906
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 13: the eruption of Hamas terror on a scale that we

907
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 13: couldn't imagine.

908
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: So you can see the shift there, Sager. Originally it

909
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: was this would be a big mistake. Reoccupation would be

910
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: a big mistake. To now John Kirby going, well, I

911
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: mean for some period of time maybe, Yeah, we actually

912
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: are okay with it.

913
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: Get and flashback to the Coalitional Provisional Authority and we

914
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: were only supposed to be there for a year or so.

915
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: Rumsfeldt said we were going to get out. L Paul

916
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: Bremmer is going to roll in. He worked for Kissinger.

917
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: What could go wrong? Right, he was one of the best,

918
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: the best, and the brightest. Oh only took twenty years

919
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: or so, and we're still dealing with the problems that

920
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: were there. So yeah, it's all happening. It's all happening again.

921
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: And even if you listen to the words very carefully

922
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: of Anthony blinkn around what he says here, they are

923
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: leaving themselves a lot of room for what occupation is.

924
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: They can't have occupation, but then they said they might

925
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: have some occupation. And he had some comments here that

926
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: we're at the g seven. Let's take a listen to that.

927
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 14: The only way to ensure that this crisis never happens

928
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 14: again is to begin setting the conditions for durable peace

929
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 14: and security, and to frame our diplomatic efforts now with

930
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 14: that in mind. The United States believes key elements should

931
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 14: include no forcible displacement of Palestinians from Gaza, not now,

932
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 14: not after the war. No use of Gaza as a

933
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 14: platform for terrorism or other violent attacks. No reoccupation of

934
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 14: Gaza after the conflict ends. No attempt to blockade or

935
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 14: besiege Gaza. No reduction in the territory of Gaza. We

936
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 14: must also short, no terrorist threats can emanate from the

937
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 14: West Bank. We must also work on the affirmative elopments.

938
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: To get to a sustained peace.

939
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 14: These must include the Palestinian people's voices and aspirations at

940
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 14: the center of post crisis governance in Gaza. It must

941
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 14: include Palestinian led governance and Gaza unified with the West

942
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 14: Bank under the Palestinian authority. And it must include a

943
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 14: sustained mechanism for reconstruction in Gaza and a pathway to

944
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 14: Israelis and Palestinians living side by side in states of

945
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 14: their own with equal measures.

946
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: So the US government previously saying, you know, no red

947
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: lines in terms of what Israel can do, that's really

948
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: the messaging that matters here. Now he's trying to say, oh,

949
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: we don't want any forcible displacement now, not after the work.

950
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: You can look at the videos yourself. Forcible displacement of

951
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: probably more than a million people has already happened, So

952
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: too late.

953
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: For that one.

954
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: No use of Gaza as a platform for terrorism, of course,

955
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: everyone supports that.

956
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: No reoccupation of Gaza.

957
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Okay, well, maybe respond to what mister Natanyahu just said

958
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: to blockade or besieged Gaza. Also, I don't know where

959
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: you've been, buddy, about what reality in Gaza has looked

960
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: like for quite a long time. So in any case,

961
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: to me, the shows just again Sagar the level of

962
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: weakness from the US as long as there is no

963
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: willingness to use the you know, leverage that we have

964
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: at our disposal in terms of the huge amount of

965
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: aid that we have provided to Israel and are continuing

966
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: to provide to Israel, and the fourteen billion dollars that

967
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: we're planning to send. These all constitute effectively empty words.

968
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: And the Natanyahu government has already shown they're going to

969
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: do whatever it is that they want.

970
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: The real problem I'm beginning to see is to compare this,

971
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: you know, there's gonna be a lot of oracknology. Sorry,

972
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: the most recent Middle Eastern occupation around this Ahmed Chalabi

973
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: type gambit. They're like, we're going to put the Palestinian

974
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: authority in charge. The Palestinian authority has barely any legitimacy

975
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: left in the West Bank, that's right, not alone, let

976
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: alone in Gaza. I mean they people have now lived

977
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: apart for seventeen years. Also, these people are old as hell.

978
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: They're viewed as corrupt and in the pocket of the

979
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: West because they have no legitimacy. Now, look, maybe they

980
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: could have something if they were you know, put in

981
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: some sort of quasi government, and they could affirmatively deliver

982
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: on a two state solution. But I mean, come on,

983
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: who actually believes that that is going to happen. So

984
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: then who's going to have actual governing authority? And look

985
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: at what's happening right now in the West Bank. The

986
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: Palestinian authority is viewed as impotent and weak because they

987
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: can't keep their own people safe from Israeli settlersself ken

988
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: the Netsunahu government with a straight base claim there will

989
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: be no settlers or at all inside of Gaza. At

990
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: the same time, I mean, what about Israeli soldiers. Think

991
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: about the incendiary nature of that one. Two years, three

992
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: years out of providing the security situation on the streets

993
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: and them trying to claim that they are legitimate. That

994
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: is why the Iraqis turned against the people that we

995
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: put in charge in the first place, because they were

996
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: viewed as a tool of the West and not able

997
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: to stand up to us and not looking out for

998
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: their best interests or their security. So mean, I just see,

999
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 2: this is a nightmare situation. And part of the problem

1000
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: too is if we put if we install the PA

1001
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: with international authority and all of this, and the population

1002
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: turns against them, the exact same thing that happened in

1003
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: Iraq is going to happen. We're going to see a

1004
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: full blown secretarian war like we did in two thousand

1005
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: and five, the war between Fatah and Hamas. We're gonna

1006
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: see it times fifty at this point because Iran and

1007
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: all the other proxies are going to back up Hamas

1008
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: to retry and regain control of the government. The Israelis

1009
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: are gonna get caught in the middle of it if

1010
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: they're doing the security situation, and worse, they want us

1011
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: to come in and occupy Gaza. Don't forget that little plan.

1012
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: American peacekeepers and French keepers, our guys getting blown up

1013
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: in the middle of all this. So I say hell

1014
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: no to this whole plan. This is part of the problem.

1015
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: You know. This is regime change. Like, let's just all

1016
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: be honest about it. This is straight up regime change.

1017
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: And I hate the regime in Gaza too, don't get

1018
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: me wrong, But you know, if you're gonna go in,

1019
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna roll them. You better have a good plan

1020
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: for day two, and I don't see one right now.

1021
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Let's say, and you all know I think this is

1022
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: magical thinking. Let's say you're able to eradicate Herbass whatever

1023
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: that even actually means.

1024
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: What kind of.

1025
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: A political group do you think is going to organically

1026
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: rise to power in Gaza, given the you know, blockade,

1027
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: given the fact that something like a third of northern

1028
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: Gaza has already been destroyed, given the radicalization, the increased

1029
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: radicalization that is going on, with the.

1030
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: Brutality of the Israeli.

1031
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: Response, what sort of political project do you think is

1032
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: going to have appeal and legitimacy in such a situation,

1033
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: given what these people have suffered through. So that's number one,

1034
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: number two on the Palestinian authority. I mean, it's not

1035
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: just that they're seen as in the pocket of the

1036
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: West like that's that's real. That perception is real because

1037
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: they cooperate with the Israeli occupation forces in the West Bank.

1038
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: And you know, it's commonly accepted within the West Bank

1039
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: that actually when you see the Palestinian Authority their police

1040
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: officers pull back, you better run and hide, because that

1041
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: means they're basically making way for the IDF to come

1042
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: through in some sort of a rate. That's the level

1043
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: of cooperation collaboration that is ongoing there. And you have

1044
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you've had over I think one

1045
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people in the West Bank killed since

1046
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: October seventh, and that isn't That is indicative of the

1047
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: way that the PA doesn't do anything to keep them safe,

1048
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: so they feel completely on their own. So, yeah, the

1049
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: PA has no legitimacy in the West Bank, it has

1050
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: no legitimacy in Gaza.

1051
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: And the idea that you're going to.

1052
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: Somehow the US and Israel are going to bestow them

1053
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: with legitimacy the Palestinian people like, give me a break,

1054
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: it makes no sense, which is exactly why you know,

1055
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: I think it's so likely that Israel is going to

1056
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: continue to try to pursue what has been laid out

1057
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: in that you know, Israeli government memo of what we

1058
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: really want is to push them all, all of the

1059
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: Palestinians out of Gaza into Egypt and make that the

1060
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: only possibility that will really work, and force it on

1061
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Egypt and force it on the US. And it may

1062
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: seem like a long shot now and maybe it doesn't

1063
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: ultimately happen, but we already know from reporting that's what

1064
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: they're actually pushing behind the scenes, and you can you know,

1065
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: like that's part of the net Nahu's Lacud party and

1066
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: his right wing coalitional partners.

1067
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: That has been part of their longtime goals. So it's no.

1068
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: Surprise that that's what they would be pushing for. But

1069
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: it also when you have the impossibility and impracticality of

1070
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: every other possible situation and a gaza that you know,

1071
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: the parking lot memes coming to Fruition, they're going to say, well,

1072
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: what else can we do?

1073
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: What else is possible?

1074
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I listen in terms of at least

1075
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: pushing them out. That means war. The Egyptian's already told

1076
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: us that, and so we should listen to them. They

1077
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: take this stuff very serious, and the people inside Goswel

1078
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: are going to take it seriously too. If it becomes

1079
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Speaker 2: a fight right now, it's a fight with Hamas. If

1080
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Speaker 2: it becomes a fight for being able to stay well,

1081
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of those people are going to

1082
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Speaker 2: take up arms. Again. It's the exact same thing playbook

1083
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: in Iraq. It's not difficult to see it. It literally

1084
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: happened in all of our living memory. In fact, Nantayah

1085
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: who encouraged us to go into a rock, he said

1086
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Speaker 2: we would be greeted, you know, with the open arms,

1087
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Speaker 2: and he got to see firsthand how all that worked out. Anyway,

1088
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Speaker 2: maybe you should listen.

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Speaker 1: So, as we've been discussing, you know, the Israeli ground

1090
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: defensive is preceding a pace on. What we can tell

1091
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: is that they're you know, really working their way into

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Speaker 1: Gaza City and sort of encircling that city. Obviously, first

1093
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: of all, a lot of journalists have been killed in

1094
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: Gaza who lived there, so very hard to get reports

1095
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: out from the ground. They've had these communications blockouts, blackouts.

1096
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Speaker 1: Foreign journalists are only allowed in with the express permission of.

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Speaker 2: The ideas and security review of their footage.

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Speaker 1: Security review and but yeah, before anything gets posted, the

1099
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: Israeli military gets to take a look and decide what

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00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: is allowed in and what is allowed out. However, there

1101
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: was a report that came out that seemed pretty solid

1102
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: from a Channel four news just to give you a

1103
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: sense of what it even.

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Speaker 3: Looks like in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Inside the city.

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00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, inside got the city, and it is pretty stunning

1107
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: to behold. Let's take a look at a little bit

1108
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 11: The war ravaged outskirts of embattled Gaza City, an apocalyptic

1110
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 11: landscape now firmly under the control of Israeli soldiers. We're

1111
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 11: here with members of Infantry Division eight to eight. The

1112
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 11: most intense fighting of this bloody conflict is beginning now

1113
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 11: in the heart of this city, under the watch of

1114
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 11: Israeli soldiers. Desperate Gazan civilians, whole families, some holding white flags,

1115
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 11: are fleeing their homes for the south. One man drags

1116
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 11: and elderly women along in a chair. Soldiers call out

1117
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 11: in Hebrew in case some of the two hundred and

1118
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 11: forty Israeli hostages are being smuggled out too. Footage filmed

1119
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 11: on the Salahidian Road by Andalestinian journalists gives you a

1120
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 11: true sense of scale. They're young, there are old, clutching

1121
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 11: whatever's left of their lives. Across Gaza. One and a

1122
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 11: half million people, three quarters of the population have been

1123
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Speaker 11: displaced from their homes. This is the hell they're running from,

1124
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 11: fleeing south. There's no guarantee of safety. This hospital in

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Speaker 11: carn units where many have fled to.

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Speaker 1: So three quarters of the population already displaced. And you

1127
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: can see there, I mean, the city's rubble like, so

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00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: much of it has already been destroyed. Of course, these

1129
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: people think they're never going to be able to go home.

1130
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: For many of them, there is no more home there

1131
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: to go back to. It's rubble, it's destroyed. So I

1132
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: mean that's just a little glimpse of the horror that

1133
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: is unfolding for more than two million people who are

1134
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: there on the ground.

1135
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he actually clarified also, he actually said, while

1136
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: we are clear our report was not censored or subject

1137
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: even to editorial approval, we would never agree to that.

1138
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: Only the pictures from the military visits were subject to

1139
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: security review e g. To prevent maps or certain specific

1140
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: parts of a military vehicle. So secunder CARMANI I thought

1141
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: he did a fantastic job of actually laying it out there.

1142
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, look, we're getting to the point

1143
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: where it's becoming very clear that we are entering the

1144
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 2: next phase of the campaign, because as you guys could

1145
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: see there, prior to this, it's just bombing and tanks.

1146
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: We're rolling, we're isolating, we're getting making sure we're cutting

1147
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: off we're trying to get as many civilians out. Now,

1148
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: these guys were out on the ground. You saw how

1149
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: they're outside. They're all doing security. They're forming a perimeter

1150
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: around that rubble. They're trying to see if there's a

1151
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: stronghold in there, and there's a bunch of tunnels that

1152
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: are underneath. Now we're getting into the hand to hand combat,

1153
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: and now we need to start looking at the casualty

1154
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: numbers very closely, because this is one IDF casualties if

1155
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: they ever are going to start spiking. Now we're about

1156
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: to play you a video. We're going to play some

1157
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: of this, and let's be very clear this was straight

1158
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: up released by Hamas where not. This is not an

1159
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: endorsement or any of that because we lack journalistic footage.

1160
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: This is the footage they are putting out of them

1161
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: their fighters engage in hand to hand combat or in

1162
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: you know, small arms fire RPGs and all these other things,

1163
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 2: trying to take out Israeli tanks, just to give people

1164
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: a sense of what the actual battle looks like. We

1165
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: just saw from the Israeli side. We're playing it here.

1166
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: You could see here you've got Israeli tanks that are

1167
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: in the middle of the city. This is all being

1168
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: zoomed in. The Isis used to edit and their stuff

1169
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: all like this. Part of the reason is that they

1170
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: try to cut only the you know, the most exciting

1171
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 2: parts quote unquote where they're heroic looking, and they also

1172
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: edit it. It's just watching this, it's getting total flashbacks

1173
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: to ISIS. Isis also used to cut it this way

1174
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: in order to entice younger guys to come and join

1175
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: them and try to make it look as much as

1176
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: call of duty as possible, and that's basically what they're

1177
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 2: doing here. But you can see they're zooming in, they're

1178
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: highlighting tanks, they're showing them, you know, trying to take

1179
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: them out. Nobody knows whether how many have been taken

1180
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: out or not. You could see they're inflicting some damage,

1181
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: but like who knows, you know how much these these

1182
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: are pretty well armored and well supplied in terms of

1183
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: the Israeli military. The only point being that where now

1184
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: at that turning point where we're going to start to

1185
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: see a lot more casualties, both on the Hama side

1186
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: and on the Israeli side, where when you've got to

1187
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: come in, you've got to clear rubble. When you're rolling

1188
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: tanks down the street and you're coming in too, you know,

1189
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: you've got two p huge things of rubble here, and

1190
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: you've got all these positions where somebody can take a

1191
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: shot at you and then maybe you've guys got you've

1192
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: got guys outside of the tank, we're behind you and

1193
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 2: all that. And this is nic this is World War Two.

1194
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 2: We saw this type of combat Stalingrod, you know, mo Soul,

1195
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: so many of these different places, and this is where

1196
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: I think things can get start to get really gnarly,

1197
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: especially when you consider that you've got this massive three

1198
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: hundred mile tunnel network which is underneath that. So the

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Speaker 2: Israeli still have not they have not released a lot

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Speaker 2: of the data, and I think one of the reasons

1201
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: they're taking to keep such a tight control is I

1202
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: think some I think we are some of the battles

1203
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: that are happening on the ground there which we're not

1204
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 2: able to see. Our vish brutal stuff is happening there

1205
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: between these fighters and between the Israelis.

1206
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's easy for a modern military

1207
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: like Israel to go in and carpet bomb. It's easy

1208
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: to roll in with tanks, and even when tanks are

1209
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: fired on like, they are so well armored that it's

1210
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: very difficult to you know, very difficult to take out

1211
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: one of these tanks, especially given the types of weapons

1212
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: that Humas has access to, so you know all of

1213
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: those things, you're unlikely to take significant casualties. It's when

1214
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: you actually have to get out and do this sort

1215
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: of like direct hand to hand commet that things really change.

1216
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: There was one piece that really caught my attention with

1217
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: regards to the hostages that Humas is still holding.

1218
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 15: Here.

1219
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen from the New York Times.

1220
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: It shows you that there is a real tension between

1221
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: the Israeli ground offensive and the goal of bringing these

1222
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: hostages back safe and sound. So apparently of this reporting,

1223
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: Israel and Hamas actually almost had a deal to free

1224
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: roughly fifty hostages. This was focused on the civilian hostages.

1225
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: A number of the hostages are also Israeli military. Indirect

1226
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: talks mediated by Katar snagged after Israel's ground invasion of

1227
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Speaker 1: Gaza on October twenty seventh.

1228
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: They have resumed, but hopes for a quick.

1229
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: Release have faded so effectively, they, according to this report,

1230
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: were very close to securing this deal for the release

1231
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: of fifty hostages. But when they started in earnest the

1232
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: ground defensive on October seventh, and it.

1233
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: Was like, all right, well, the deal's off.

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00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: You have a statement here from Israel's Defense minister in

1235
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: response to this report, Yoev Galant says there will be

1236
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: no pause without the return of hostages and missing persons.

1237
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: The only way of saving the hostages is if Israel

1238
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: continues its ground operation. You know, that's what they want

1239
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: to say to try to erase what is a very

1240
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: clear tension between the goal of getting these hostages back

1241
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: safe and sound and the goal of just like destruction

1242
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: of Gaza City. There's another piece here, though, saga that

1243
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: really jumped down at me, which it's incredible to me

1244
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: that this isn't more of a subject of reporting, but

1245
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: somewhere buried, like the eighth paragraph of this report, they say,

1246
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: so far, the negotiations have only focused on releasing civilian hostages.

1247
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: According to these officials. As I was just saying, the

1248
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: Israeli soldiers held in Gaza may eventually be part of

1249
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: a separate track of negotiations, possibly to be exchanged for

1250
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: hundreds of Palestinian women and miners who are held without

1251
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: charge in Israeli prisons. And it's astonishing to me that,

1252
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't know how they're not called

1253
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: hostages when there are women and miners who are held

1254
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: without charge in Israeli prisons, and how this isn't a

1255
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: subject of more conversation that this is going on on

1256
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: the Israeli side. So they're saying, potentially some future deal

1257
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: may trade the Israeli soldiers for these women and children

1258
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: who are being held by the hundreds without charges in

1259
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: Israeli prisons.

1260
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't even know much about them. There's some

1261
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: speculation they might have been guest workers, people who are

1262
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: coming across Israeli as acclaiming that they were involved in

1263
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: October seven. So who knows. But yes, you are right.

1264
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: And part of the reason why that they're separating off

1265
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: those IDF soldiers is that Israeli society and I think,

1266
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: you know, even the rules of war and others are

1267
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: very distinguishing between people who are straight up civilian into

1268
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: people in uniform. I'm not justifying them taking hostage, but

1269
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: you know, POW is very different status, internationally protected Red

1270
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: Cross all of that. I don't know if AMAS is

1271
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: abiding by all of those by the way, I hope

1272
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: that they are. They probably are not, But even in

1273
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: terms of negotiation at the Israeli government, they're looking at

1274
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: it differently let's go to the next part here, just

1275
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: because this is also important and I thought the Financial

1276
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: Times has been doing really good work here. We can

1277
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: put up their piece exactly about the military briefing in

1278
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: the battle for Gaza City, highlighting some of the things

1279
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: that I was talking about exactly. As you can see

1280
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: in their map for those who are watching, you can

1281
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: see where the damaged areas are the most, and you

1282
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: can also see where the damaged areas are viewed so

1283
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: that there is a total circle around Gadza City. The

1284
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: problem for Gaza City and for where a lot of

1285
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: those tunnels are, is that they have not actually inflicted

1286
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: all that much damage outside of the outskirts, so inside

1287
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: the city where the majority not only of the population was,

1288
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: but also where the tunnel network, the main infrastructure and

1289
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: all that. It appears they it might have held off

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Speaker 2: Crystal because there's hostages there. They might have held off

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Speaker 2: for who knows variety of reasons. But that's where a

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Speaker 2: lot of the battle is about to be going into.

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Speaker 2: And they quote some military experts here in the story

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Speaker 2: and they say the IDF is getting dragged into urban

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Speaker 2: fighting in a packed, dense city. Below that you have

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Speaker 2: these tunnel systems that profer every advantage to defense. They

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Speaker 2: are going to encounter layers upon layers of complexity. It

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Speaker 2: is very tough, and they have not even started. They

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Speaker 2: point to the fact that this really is a reversion

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Speaker 2: now to straight up guerrilla warfare urban tactics, quote unquote,

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Speaker 2: back to guerrilla one on one. You've got hostages, you've

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Speaker 2: got these two hundred and forty people. RPGs are one

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Speaker 2: of the weapons that they're going to have to contend

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Speaker 2: the most with. It's something that Hamas has an untold

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Speaker 2: amount that they've been able to supply themselves a stockpile

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Speaker 2: over the years. And really what they say is this

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Speaker 2: is the preview. Infantry will be required to leave their

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Speaker 2: armored vehicles maintained roadblocks trying to protect themselves from Hamas.

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Speaker 2: The Financial Times has reported last week. Dozens of building

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Speaker 2: have already been destroyed by air strikes. Hamas has been

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Speaker 2: denied using some of their staging areas and all of

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Speaker 2: that by the Israelis at least so far, but enough

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Speaker 2: of the infrastructure remains that it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: hellish fight. They also point crystal exactly to what you

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Speaker 2: were talking about with those tanks and where they have

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Speaker 2: some particular vulnerability to RPGs, and where the Hamas fighters

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Speaker 2: will be aiming towards. So if you want like a real,

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Speaker 2: just straight up like military tactical briefing, I do recommend

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Speaker 2: reading this. It does point out some of the IDF advantages.

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Speaker 2: They've got drones, they've got air power. Obviously, they have artillery,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of that starts to go away whenever

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Speaker 2: you get real close, you've got close enough to your

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Speaker 2: enemy that you can actually see them. And that's unfortunately

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Speaker 2: where I think we're headed right now.

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Speaker 1: They have a little bit of the military strategy here

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Speaker 1: that Israel plans to employ to try to limit their casualties.

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Speaker 1: They say their aim will not be to fight street

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Speaker 1: by street, as US led forces did in Fallujah during

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Speaker 1: the Second Rock War. Instead, its plan is to clear

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Speaker 1: up pockets of territory use them as basis for urban raids.

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Speaker 1: Results will be a series of small battles and skirmishes

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Speaker 1: for different sections of the territory. They go on and

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Speaker 1: say the aim for each raid is to gather fresh

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Speaker 1: intelligence on Hamas and its military infrastructure. Israeli forces will

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Speaker 1: then withdraw and call in air strikes, then those will

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Speaker 1: lead to more raids in an iterative process. I also

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Speaker 1: thought this was interesting eyebrow raising. Israeli military has shifted

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Speaker 1: the focus away from targeting the high ranking HAMAS planners

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Speaker 1: behind October seventh to include mid level level field lieutenants

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Speaker 1: leading the fight against Israeli troops. They say this would

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Speaker 1: significantly undermine Hamas's capabilities to carry out counter attacks.

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Speaker 3: So I thought that was kind.

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Speaker 2: Of interesting anyway. Yeah, I agree, we are going to

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Speaker 2: continue to see some of this evolve, and I think

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Speaker 2: some of the tactical analysis and all that going in

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Speaker 2: is a preview of how some of the worst has

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Speaker 2: still yet to come. Especially, you know, the Israelis really

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Speaker 2: need to start girding themselves for this death toll. It's

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Speaker 2: going to start to go up. There's just no way

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Speaker 2: around it if you're going to go ahead and fight

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Speaker 2: this way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And to bring it back around to the hostage piece,

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Speaker 1: like these hostages are many of them likely held in

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Speaker 1: Gaza City and very much at risk.

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Speaker 6: Ye.

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Speaker 1: So there's also you know, much of the Israeli population. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about the polls that we've seen

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Speaker 1: coming out of Israel is very little concern for Palestinian

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Speaker 1: civilian life coming out of the Israeli public at this point.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of concern for the hostages and

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Speaker 1: bringing them back safe and sound.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, if you.

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Speaker 1: Have a lot of hostages who are also you know,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote collateral damage in this fighting, and you already

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Speaker 1: see that they you know, they sort of blew up

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Speaker 1: a hostage deal that they had in hand to move

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Speaker 1: forward with this ground offensive. That can also be very

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Speaker 1: difficult politically for net Yahoo within his own populace.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to a little bit of the reaction

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Speaker 1: to Tuesday's election night results, just as a brief recap.

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Speaker 1: I mean, basically, Democrats kind of romped everywhere. They were

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Speaker 1: able to hold on to the state Senate in Virginia

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Speaker 1: and also win the House of Delegates in Virginia. You know,

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Speaker 1: the pro choice position on that abortion abortion ballot initiative

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Speaker 1: in Ohio succeeded. The legalizing weed in Ohio also succeeded

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Speaker 1: by a large margin.

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Speaker 2: My friend joyed the smell.

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Speaker 1: In Kentucky, Andy Basheer, who is Democratic governor. He is

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Speaker 1: an incumbent by many metrics, the most popular Democratic governor

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Speaker 1: in the entire country defeated by a pretty sizable margin

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Speaker 1: Daniel Cameron, who was a Mitch McConnell acolyte and the

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Speaker 1: current Attorney general.

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Speaker 3: So that was a big win.

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Speaker 1: And there were some others around the country Pennsylvania state

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court seat as well, But in general, just over

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Speaker 1: big picture, big night for Democrats in spite of, of course,

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Speaker 1: people feeling bad about the economy and really not being

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Speaker 1: super psyched about Joe Biden. So that is the context

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Speaker 1: in which Republicans had you come in and try to

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Speaker 1: make sense of these results, come up with some reason

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Speaker 1: why this happened, and explain away what was once again

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Speaker 1: a bad and very disappointing night for them. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with We've got Rick Santorum here on Newsmax giving his

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Speaker 1: assessment of the problems with this election night.

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Speaker 3: Result of Sigal isn't that you put.

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Speaker 16: Very sexy things like abortion in marijuana on the ballot

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Speaker 16: and a lot of young people come out and vote.

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Speaker 16: It was a secret sauce for disaster in Ohio. I

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Speaker 16: don't know what they were thinking, but that's why I

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Speaker 16: thank goodness that most of the states in this country

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Speaker 16: don't allow you to put everything on the ballot, because

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Speaker 16: pure democracies are not the way to run a country.

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Speaker 16: So you're but Democrats are trying to scare women into

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Speaker 16: thinking Republicans don't want to abortion legal under any circumstances.

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Speaker 1: So we've also got Hannity there, Democrats trying to scare people,

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Speaker 1: and a Thingian Republicans are against abortion under any circumstance

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Speaker 1: was really in the Republican party platform. So it's not

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Speaker 1: without any justification. And of course Democrats are going to

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Speaker 1: do what they can because this issue has proven to

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Speaker 1: be very potent. But I really enjoyed Rick Santorum there.

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Speaker 1: First of all, his framing of abortion as being a

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Speaker 1: very sexy thing on the ballot was entertaining to me.

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Speaker 1: But the big piece there was him being very upset

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Speaker 1: about voters having a direct say, which goes counter to

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Speaker 1: the Republican narrative over many years in favor of overturning

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Speaker 1: Roe versus Way. The line was always let's return it

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Speaker 1: to the states, Let's let voters decide.

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Speaker 3: What they think the rules should be.

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Speaker 1: Now that voters in every single ballot initiative that has

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Speaker 1: had to do with abortion, voters have chosen the pro

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Speaker 1: choice side. Now that that has happened, suddenly they're not

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Speaker 1: so keen on voters deciding anyone.

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Speaker 2: It's not so foolish.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, I actually agree with a

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Speaker 2: lot of the states thing. I've been like, yeah, that's great, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let people decide if they want to. And it's obvious,

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Speaker 2: it was always obvious, has been from day one. That's

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Speaker 2: a dramatically unpopular position in all but maybe six states,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the entire country. The rest of it

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Speaker 2: really relies on state legislature control. And I think over time,

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of red states will roll this back

1434
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: because of referendums like these, and a lot of voters

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Speaker 2: are weaponized it not even weaponizing using the current political process,

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Speaker 2: referendums in others in order to enshrine, like in the

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Speaker 2: case of Ohio, a literal constitutional right to be able

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Speaker 2: to have an abortion. And I mean, my personal favorite

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Speaker 2: I think on all of this is all of the

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Speaker 2: pro life activists just grappling with the fact that this

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Speaker 2: is so dramatically unpopular and bad for Republicans that they

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Speaker 2: have to come up with scapegoats. This is my personal

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Speaker 2: favorite example. Let's go and put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen, Matt Walsh, He says, before you tell me

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Speaker 2: the pro life message is a political loser, answer me

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01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: this how many Republican candidates fought back hard and effectively

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01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: on the issue, actively went after the left ran ads

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Speaker 2: attacking their opponent for supporting the dismemberment of fully developed infants,

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Speaker 2: and actually countered the left's pro abortion narrative with a

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Speaker 2: strong and affirmative pro life narrative. It seems to me

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Speaker 2: the pro life message is being blamed in races where

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Speaker 2: the pro life message was never even articulated. I am

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01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: calling this real. Pro life has never been tried. As

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01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 2: we would accurately make fun of some of the annoying

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Speaker 2: communists that you meet when you're like nineteen years old,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, that's what this is. It's like, no, dude.

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Speaker 2: It turns out that when the vast majority, and this

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Speaker 2: is a big structural problem, the majority of the GOP

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Speaker 2: commentariat and professional class is dramatically more Catholic and evangelical

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Speaker 2: in a capital are like religious sense than the average

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Speaker 2: Republican voter. Now, listen, a lot of Republican voters are religious.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. A lot of them do go

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Speaker 2: to church, but a full one third of the people

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Speaker 2: who voted for Trump are straight up pro choice. And actually,

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Speaker 2: the Trump coalition itself is built on the backs of secular,

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 2: non college educated whites who are not religious, who explicitly

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Speaker 2: don't give a shit about gay marriage and on abortion.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, it's icky, but you know, if

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Speaker 2: you force me to choose, I'm gonna go ahead and

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Speaker 2: choose the pro choice side. So it's not that you know,

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Speaker 2: even this fifteen week thing. I keep saying everyone, these

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Speaker 2: people remind me of defund the police activists. It's like, well,

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Speaker 2: if you parse the polling, the majority of people support

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Speaker 2: fifteen weeks. And I'm like, hey man, you lose on

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Speaker 2: the fifteen week convo because the fact that you're even

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Speaker 2: talking about abortion and you're on the side of some

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Speaker 2: people who genuinely do want to ban it. You're done.

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Speaker 2: That's a coalitional problem at a very basic level. The

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Speaker 2: other side just wants to return to the status quo.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be right in California or Blue States

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Speaker 2: or whatever, they've got different abortion laws, but like in Virginia,

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Speaker 2: we're not talking about California. We're talking about Virginia. In Virginia,

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Speaker 2: you've got a blue state already, a Biden plus eight

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Speaker 2: or whatever. Everybody trying to parse all of this, oh,

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Speaker 2: maybe a fifteen week ban or any of that, And

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Speaker 2: you're always pointing this out, and I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: The fifteen week ban has become less popular since the

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Speaker 2: whole Row versus way was struck down because people just

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01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: when you're trying to change the consensus, people don't want that.

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 2: And if anything, really, what I think the pro life

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: people are going to find out is we're going to

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01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: end up with more legal abortion in shrine and law

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Speaker 2: post Row than we probably did pre Row. So I mean, congratulations,

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Speaker 2: I guess it'd certainly return it to the democratic process.

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Speaker 1: This is certainly the first time the pro choice side

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: has really been on offense and consistently winning in quite

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Speaker 1: a long time. I mean, most of the story of

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Speaker 1: my political adulthood has been more and more abortion rights

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Speaker 1: being rolled back state after state after state, and now

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Speaker 1: this is the first time things are really going in

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. To the point on fifteen weeks in

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01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: Virginia and Matt Walsh being like, oh, you need to

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01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: lean into it harder that was Glen Youngkin's yea, he

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01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,839
Speaker 1: tried like his pack was pushing it. They were pushing

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01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: their candidates to lean into this fifteen week abortion message,

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: thinking like, Okay, this is we've done the polling, we've

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01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: done the focus grouping, this is the place where we

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01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: might be able to find a consensus. So let's just

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01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: lean into it and actually talk about abortion, not be

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01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: afraid of it, et cetera, et cetera. But the thing

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: is when you've got a party that, again their national

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01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: platform says we want to get rid of abortion, and

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01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: you have these Republican legislators who are like, oh, I

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01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: want restrictions, but that's it. No further than I promise,

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01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: pinky promise, no further than fifteen weeks. Like voters, of course,

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01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: are not really going to believe you. And so I think,

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, the Virginia one, I don't want to overread

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01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: it as being one hundred percent about abortion, because I

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: don't think that it is. I think it's also just

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01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: somewhat of a reversion to the mean of where Virginia is.

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01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: Virginia is dominated by the Northern Virginia suburbs. They've become

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01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: increasingly you know, liberal and War Blue. Over time, there

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01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: were key battles fought in places like Laden County, which

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01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: are kind of exurban, which Glenn Youngkin had done well

1527
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: in when we were talking about COVID school closures and

1528
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: things like that, that suburban moms where I think justifiably

1529
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: very upset about. But it's a different landscape now. So

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01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: in any case, I think they tried the Matt Walsh

1531
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: approached actually in Virginia, and you can see what the

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01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: results are.

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 2: Listen. Ohio is as an even better example. It was

1534
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 2: straight up, up or down. People campaigned hard against you know. Actually,

1535
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: Jadie Vance put out a very thoughtful threat I thought

1536
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: for from the pro life perspective, where he's like, we got,

1537
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 2: we straight up lost, and here's what it's going to

1538
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 2: look now. Personally. Listen, he's a friend of mine. I

1539
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 2: don't agree with him really on the issue at all.

1540
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: I think as a political loser straight up, but you

1541
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 2: know he's a religious guy. So good luck to you

1542
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 2: in terms of trying to win on the issue. Let's

1543
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: put the next one up there. We've got a couple

1544
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 2: of examples of cope that we still have to continue

1545
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 2: to show you. Daniel Cameron lost this is from Trump.

1546
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 2: Even though he endorsed Daniel Cameron, he came out and

1547
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,919
Speaker 2: he disavowed him, and he blamed it all on Mitch McConnell.

1548
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 2: Even though Crystal. In Daniel Cameron's last ad he literally

1549
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: ran as a pro Trump guy. He was like, I'm

1550
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: endorsed by Trump, I'm all about Trump, Trump Trump. The

1551
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 2: very last three second spot he had was all about

1552
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: how Trump loved him. And now Trump immediately comes out

1553
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: stabs him in the back. Yeah, the moment that he lost,

1554
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: he's like, no, no, it's not my fault, it's Mitch's fault.

1555
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: And he's celebrating that the Republican Republican governor of Mississippi

1556
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: was able to hang on by the skin of his teeth.

1557
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,440
Speaker 1: Or shows you what a bad night it was were Republicans.

1558
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: Just as a reminder, just days before election Day, Trump

1559
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: had posted on true Social Wow, Daniel Cameron of Kentucky

1560
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: has made a huge search now that they see my

1561
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: strong endorsement and the fact that he's not really a

1562
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: McConnell guy.

1563
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 3: He puts in quotes.

1564
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: They only try to label him that because he comes

1565
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: from the great state of Kentucky. Anyway, go Daniel great

1566
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: future for you in your state. You will bring it

1567
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: to new levels of success and I will help you.

1568
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: So that was like, literally, I think, three days before

1569
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 1: election day and then immediately is like, it's because he's

1570
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: a McConnell guy. It's Mitch McConnell's. It's because what abu here.

1571
01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: It's certainly not my fault.

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: It's all on me anyway, So it was some fun. Cope,

1573
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 2: let me.

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: Let me just because I'm obsessed with Kentucky, I have

1575
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: to say one thing about this. So putting abortion aside,

1576
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: which actually the fact that Andy Basher in the state

1577
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: of Kentucky is religious and conservative as that state is,

1578
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: ran a campaign on abortion rights in Kentucky tells you

1579
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: something about this issue. But the other thing that really

1580
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: jumped out from you know, his results, which he outperformed

1581
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: even his first run for governor, which was against a

1582
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: very unpopular Republican incumbent, Matt Bevin. And so he was

1583
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: able to outperform if you look at the numbers, the

1584
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: places where he did the best and outperformed the most

1585
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: had been really hard hit.

1586
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 3: By natural disasters.

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01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: There was a lot of flooding in eastern Kentucky, and

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01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: then there were tornadoes and storms in western Kentucky and

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01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: Andy Basher, who has a very famous last name in

1590
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: the state as well, which helps in Kentucky, and you know,

1591
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: it's a small state and people feel connected to the

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01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: Basher name, etc.

1593
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 3: But he really made a point of showing up.

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: In these areas that were hard hit by natural disasters,

1595
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 1: and it seems that that was really rewarded by voters.

1596
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: So there's also a real argument to be made here

1597
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: just in favor of being on the ground, paying attention

1598
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: to what your constituents are actually going through, staying focused

1599
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: on what you might call bread and butter, life and

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01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: death issues that are immediate and locality specific, and that's

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01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: how he was able to overcome overwhelming Republican tilt in

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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: the state at this point. So I think that piece

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: is interesting as well.

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01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's move on to the free speech part. We

1605
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: wanted to be able to include some of this in

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 2: our show. There was an interesting moment between Tucker Carlson

1607
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 2: and Glenn Greenwald on Tucker's new show on x or

1608
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: Twitter formerly known as Twitter, about the censorship that is

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01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: currently going on against the pro Palestinian movement here in

1610
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: the United States. Here's what they both had to say.

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Speaker 5: What's so terrifying to me, though, is that the right,

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 5: the American political right, which really was to this kind

1613
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 5: of weird transformation that's happened over the past dozen years,

1614
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 5: has become the lone defenders of the First Amendment. They've

1615
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 5: abandoned that in the last month, like instantly. So I

1616
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 5: think you could say, you know, I strongly support Israel,

1617
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 5: I strongly dislike.

1618
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 2: A moss I'm rooting.

1619
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 5: Maybe I think we should commit troops to the region.

1620
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 5: I mean, whatever, you can have any.

1621
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 2: View you want.

1622
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 5: However, American citizens have a right to express their opinion,

1623
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 5: period and that supersedes any other event in any other country.

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01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 5: It's like, that's a core right. And I don't hear

1625
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 5: many conservatives saying that, and so you sort of wonder, like,

1626
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 5: if they're not defending it, who will.

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 15: I mean, there are people who have built their careers,

1628
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 15: Tucker over the last five six years standing up and

1629
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,440
Speaker 15: saying we can't have cancel culture, we can't have censorship.

1630
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 15: College students aren't entitled to feelings of safety. We don't

1631
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 15: censor in order to protect people from views.

1632
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:54,879
Speaker 2: They find threatening.

1633
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 15: Mocking the notion that minority groups are vulnerable and we

1634
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 15: have to censor in order to protect them. Turn on

1635
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 15: a dime and now become the leading voice of saying

1636
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 15: because American Jews feeling safe, that's valid in a way

1637
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 15: that say claim is from black people or LGBTs or

1638
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,799
Speaker 15: Latinos aren't valid.

1639
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: And because of that we need to censor. Show me

1640
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 2: the lie.

1641
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is right.

1642
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear Tucker on that. It's a tragedy

1643
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: that's not getting mainline to the Fox News boomers and

1644
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 2: they're getting Jesse Waters instead. I can't even imagine what

1645
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 2: the hell is going on over there. But it does

1646
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 2: show you a massive split, you know, in the conservative

1647
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: movement right now where for you know, And I think

1648
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 2: Glenn's point is so important. It's what I was talking

1649
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 2: about in our a block. When you adopt the language

1650
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 2: of safetyism, you immediately fail. And it's because it goes

1651
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 2: into the framework of like you deserve, like complete emotional

1652
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 2: certitude and not to be able to be challenged. As

1653
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: Tucker said, if you're an American citizen, you can say

1654
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: anything that you want and should be protected by the law.

1655
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 17: We should go out of our way, even the abhorence

1656
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 17: this is what the beauty the ACLU case is that

1657
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 17: even the speech we find the worst, the most objectionable

1658
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 17: out you know, outside the bounds of polite conversation, many

1659
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 17: standard deviations away straight up Nazis, we still protect it

1660
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 17: because the precedent itself is so important and unfortunately, actually,

1661
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 17: really what we've done is we are emboldening these campus

1662
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 17: apparatics because now they can be like, well, you wanted

1663
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,560
Speaker 17: us to, You called us in to protect against the

1664
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 17: Hamas people.

1665
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: So next time there's some George Floyd bs, we're gonna

1666
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: do whatever we want. Whenever it comes to censoring somebody

1667
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 2: or driving them off campus or posting their photo like

1668
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,839
Speaker 2: this is a person who didn't sign on, they didn't

1669
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 2: put up the black square. You know how far away

1670
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 2: are we from that it already happened.

1671
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 3: And you know, I mean college kids. That's one case

1672
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 3: the opportunity.

1673
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: But the piece that is more disturbing is where the

1674
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 1: nexus of censorship and state power come into play. Absolutely,

1675
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: and so when you have you know, Rhonda Santa sound there,

1676
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: like the DOJ needs to investigate and actively going after

1677
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: these student groups. And also this really gross conflation of

1678
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: I do not deny that there are people that are

1679
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: out there that are saying atrocious, directly anti Semitic things.

1680
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 1: I think it's disgusting. I think it needs to stop

1681
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: directly advocating or celebrating Hamas and the atrocities on October seventh. Disgusting, right,

1682
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: But there's also this conflation of anyone that has a

1683
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: critique of US government policy or Israeli government policy as

1684
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:32,520
Speaker 1: being an anti semi or being in collaboration or celebration

1685
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: of Hamas. And that's wrong and it's disgusting, and it's

1686
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: something that Biden administration is engaged in as well. I mean,

1687
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: they called calls for a ceasefire a position held by

1688
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: two thirds of Americans. They called that position repugnant. They

1689
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: likened people who are attending pro Palestinian protests, all of them,

1690
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: not just like the fringe extremists, to the neo Nazis

1691
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: that marched in Charlottesville. It's insane and this is happening

1692
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: all over them. I mean, Republicans have gone all in.

1693
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: You just have to listen to the debate last night

1694
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: aside from Vivaigue to hear that sort of language. Although

1695
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: he also goes pretty far in terms of condemning everybody

1696
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: who has any sort of a dison interview on this

1697
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: as well. He just doesn't want them to be censored

1698
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: or like arrested or whatever. But to go back to

1699
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: what is going to continue to be a consistent theme.

1700
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: Have we learned nothing after the War on Terror? Have

1701
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,879
Speaker 1: we learned nothing after our failed response to nine to eleven?

1702
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: Have we learned nothing about how dangerous it was to

1703
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: give the state so much power of surveillance, so much

1704
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: power of censorship, and say and justify it all.

1705
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 3: In the name of national security.

1706
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: I mean, that's effectively what we're doing here all over again,

1707
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: and giving them all the tools that they could possibly need.

1708
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: And do you think it's just going to be used

1709
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: against the people you don't happen to like, No, never

1710
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: stays in that one lane. The tools they acquired in

1711
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: the War on Terror have been used against many different

1712
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: ideological groups. They have been consistently expanded over time, and

1713
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: we're just handing them even more power to weaponize those

1714
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: very same tools.

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Speaker 2: I think you are absolutely correct. That's a great place

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Speaker 2: to end it. We really appreciate all of you. We're

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Speaker 2: just on the time crunch because we got Vivig Ramaswami,

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Speaker 2: but we'll be posting that later, as we said earliest.

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Speaker 2: For our premium subscribers, it's going to be posted a

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Speaker 2: separate interview and a separate podcast, so you could check

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Speaker 2: your feed in a little bit. We're excited, we're about

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Speaker 2: to go do it, so we'll see you later