1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and podcast. Hello, 2 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: my little peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass. This 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: is Frosted Tips with Lance and please welcome my wonderful, 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: beautiful co host, Michael Turchin, or to you guys, Turkey Turchin. Alright, 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: was that it was a good. Turkey was really great. 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Maybe I should be a voice actor. I don't know, Okay, 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: I was speaking of voice acting. Uh, our Nickelodeon show 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: comes out very soon, I said, our show, I know. 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: I was like little side characters. I know, it's it's 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: really fun. It's called Bossy Bear. It's on Nickelodeon. I 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: don't know the premise really, but we play the parents 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: of one of the characters little animals. I'm an owl, 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm a gopher squirrel and a neurotic squirrel. And uh yeah, 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: we're gay Jewish parents and I'm not even Jewish. Yeah 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, so we get to sing lots of 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: songs about Hanukkah and acceptance and it's gonna be awesome. 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: And when we were there at Nickelodeon in our last episode, 18 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: we ran into uh Seth Rogan and I was too 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: nervous to say hi, you were. I know, I don't 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: think I've ever met him before, and I'm always that 21 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: person that kind of goes and was like, oh yeah, 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: like I we know each other, Like wait, we never met. 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: But I was just afraid he just made he intimidated me. 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't say hi, I was ah European, Yeah, I 25 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: got it, all right. How was your week Turkey? It 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: was nice? Yeah, you know, I had a nice weekend 27 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: in Park City. That was nice. And when we actually 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: didn't even do Sundance, which was crazy. Well, here's the thing. 29 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm hurt. The last ski trip I went on, I 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: tore my shoulder. I broke the other shoulder, and I'm 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: just too afraid to do it right now because I 32 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna reinjure myself off. And I have no 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: time for surgery this year. I got no time for that. 34 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't have time for them. So we were the 35 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: losers that sat and then well not the losers because 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: I was in front of a fireplace, drinking hot chocolate 37 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: the whole time and sleeping in till eleven am. That 38 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: was amazing. So that was fun and we actually got 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: we told you in the last episode we finally met 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: our baby mama, the egg that's the baby mama, which 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: I guess is very rare in surrogacy to meet the 42 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: egg donor. Yeah, but we just love her and we've 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: become friends with her. So she's about to move away 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: from California, so we're trying to spend as much time 45 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: with her as possible. And it's so weird though, because 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: she looks just like my son, So I'm wondering what 47 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: she thinks, you know, when she sees her face in 48 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: his face. That's got to be weird. Its somewhat right, 49 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: but she seems so not affected at all. Yeah, like 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: this is this is cool, but yeah, that that would 51 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: just be weird. That. Yeah, alright, let's get to the 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: show because we have a very special guest today. Um 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Michael McHale is an American actor, singer, and dancer. 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Formerly one of the two lead vocalists of the boy 55 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: band in lt. Michael is best known for his role 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: as Already Abrahams and the Fox comedy drama series Glee. 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: I've heard of that show from He hosted the British 58 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: panel show Virtually Famous on e four, twenty nineteen. Michael 59 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: angle co star Jenna Ushkowitz Love This Woman began a 60 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: podcast called Showmans, but then they rebranded it. It's where 61 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: they recap Glee episodes and interview the Glee class cast, 62 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: which we gotta get into because a big documentary came out. Um, 63 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: and then now it is uh and that's what you 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: really missed and it's on I Heart Radio right here. 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Michael, welcome to the show for having me. I 66 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: get to see you so often just out and about 67 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: in West Hollywood. I'm definitely always coherent. Yeah, yeah, totally totally. Yeah, 68 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: just drinking a little sparkling water. I love water to AMU. 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: When were you able to kind of come out blckly? Um? 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: I did it by accident on Twitter? How did that 71 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: go down? It was fine? But my friends actually something 72 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: that you know, they all thought I had hired a 73 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: publicist because so many media outlets had picked it up, 74 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I was just excited about new 75 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: Ariana Grande. Yeah, I added myself, and because I I 76 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: think at some point I just stopped caring. But growing up, 77 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: I was so nervous and I came from music and 78 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: just figured like, this will never be something I will 79 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: ever tell anyone, And I was fine with that. I 80 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: guess I thought I was, and so then it just happened. 81 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: We were that generation. I was just talking to Jonathan 82 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: been about this an hour ago, and you know, we 83 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: were just a part of that generation of entertainers that 84 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: kind of had to go through it. You know. It's 85 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, we started our careers with everyone around us 86 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: saying you can't do this, you can't do this. We 87 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: had no permission to be gay, and we just accepted it. 88 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: And then as you get older, like, well this sucks, 89 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: I don't I feel like myself. And then, like you said, 90 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: you just kind of get over it. You're like, yeah, 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: screw it, I'm who I am. And now this new 92 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 1: generation of entertainers they get to be whoever they want. 93 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: In fact, it's better when you come out and you know, 94 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: be so authentic. It's incredible to see because I feel 95 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: like when we were growing up there was, at least 96 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: for me, especially when you're younger, it was almost like 97 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: a feticization, fetitization of the double life of it all. 98 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is fun, this is I have 99 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: a secret boyfriend, but nobody really knows. And now you 100 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: just see like everybody's queer now and it's true. And 101 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: am I good for them? Must be? I'm so proud 102 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: of you. Jealous. This is a boyband centric show, of course, 103 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: so we have to talk about in lt um. So 104 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: let's dive into the beginnings of this. When did you 105 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: first know you could sing? Um? I still don't know 106 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: if I can. I'm I'm still figuring that out. I 107 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: was the youngest my family, so I was by default 108 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: sort of the entertainer. You know, I was by far 109 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: the youngest. Everyone was much older than me, so I 110 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: was probably just dying for attention and would get on 111 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: the top of the countertops and sing my heart Will 112 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: go On. And my parents had no idea that I 113 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: was gay, especially because this is in Texas. Yeah, and 114 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: they were like my mom loved it. I'd put on 115 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: like I would do my version of Fan of the 116 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Opera in the living room and and I don't know, 117 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: I was, you know, three ft tall, a little shorter 118 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: than now and putting on so from a young age, 119 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: like I remember, at seven, my sister got married and 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: I was really young, and I they had me seeing 121 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: I just can't wait to be king from the lion 122 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: King at the end of the reception, and I think 123 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: that was the first time I've ever sung outside of 124 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: my house and like, oh, I like this. People actually 125 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: they love me. They really loved me. Like, oh, they're 126 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: all staring at me. I hate it, but I can't. Um. Now, 127 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: I grew up in Texas and went to the same 128 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: singing teacher as Dammil, Vado, Hunter Parish, Ryan Cabrera, Ashley Simpson. Um, first, 129 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: do you know them well at all? Did you know 130 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: each other when you were grown up? I did. I'm 131 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: still friends with a lot of them, And um, it's 132 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: so odd that we all sort of came from the 133 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: same place and everybody has done their thing. Jason felt 134 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: it all there too. That sounds vague. Yeah, he was 135 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: like the the producer of all virgin uh you know, 136 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: TV shows and films, like he came from that Richard 137 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Branson world. But he grew up with them in the 138 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: same town. It's very very odd. But yeah, we were 139 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: all from the same singing teacher. Who was the singing 140 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: teacher give them shout out? It was Linda Septian. Okay, Yeah, 141 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: now here's the first for us to tip. How when 142 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: you want to get into music and you know it's 143 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: very good, and enacting coaches are great. How do you 144 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: find a coach that's tough. I mean I definitely bounced 145 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: ound and I don't think it until I was well, 146 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: I think you have to also do what is available 147 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: to you. So Linda, for example, in Dallas, that was 148 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: the first time I had I didn't even know seeing 149 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: like vocal coaching was the thing. I was so naive 150 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: and ignorant to all of these things. And um got 151 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: recommended to her because I don't know, my sister had 152 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: asked around. It was people just asking around. He was like, oh, 153 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: she's a singing teacher, so I'll just try it. And 154 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: I think you just sort of have to sort of 155 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: Jesus take the wheel. And because it's not like there, 156 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: especially where I was growing up, there wasn't like there 157 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: was a huge selection of vocal coaches to be going 158 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: to or a bunch of dance studios to be going to, 159 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: and so within that small circle, it was finding one 160 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: that I could afford, which was also a big battle, 161 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: and then finding one that I felt like cared or 162 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: gave me a shot or saw me for what I 163 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: was hoping to do. And you know, a lot of 164 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: trial and error like, it's okay if it doesn't, you 165 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: just keep sort of finding the person. I didn't know 166 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: that either, you know, growing up, you know, when I 167 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: was a teenager, you know, before in Sync, I had 168 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: no idea that I would ever be a real singer, right, 169 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: I just didn't even pop into my head. I didn't 170 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: think someone from a small town like mine could ever 171 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: do anything big on the stage showed them. Um. But yeah, 172 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: there was a vocal coach, Bob Westbrook, and my very 173 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: first boy band. Yes, I had an original boy band 174 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: called Seven Cards Stud. Seven Cards Stud incredible that we 175 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: wore vests. They were sparkly. Uh. There were seven of 176 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: us and we would do like Medley's, right, you know, 177 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: fifties Medley's and sixties medals like a vocal group. It 178 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: was a vocal group. You know, we're a capella group. 179 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: But we would go to state fairs and you know, compete. Uh. 180 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: We would always get beat, but you know, we would compete. Uh. 181 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: And Bob Westbrook was the one who kind of prepared 182 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: us for that. And because I knew Bob and I 183 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: was the bass singer, and that that was justin timber 184 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: League's vocal coach and he would come down from Germantown, 185 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: Tennessee to Jackson, Mississippi, and he would travel and be 186 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: the vocal coach for all these like a sparring young kids. Uh. 187 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: So that's how I got in sync was through this 188 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: vocal coach that I barely knew just because of my 189 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: first boy. And he was like, yeah, I got a 190 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: guy lands. He's a bass singer, but his mom will 191 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: never let him do it, Like that'll be impossible, But 192 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: thanks mom, you let me do it alright. So in 193 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: two thousand six, n LT not like them. How did 194 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: you come up with that name? I didn't so luckily. 195 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: I can you know, um not take credit for that. Okay, 196 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: I had our first name that Luke Broman wanted. Yea 197 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: his met We would have never have made it with 198 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: that name. Never would have Maybe no stadium tours with 199 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: kiss Men, Yeah, not so much. Yeah, you didn't all 200 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: your band members well at all, not at all. Now 201 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: how did you How did this band form? Because this 202 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: is at the tail end of when when boy bands 203 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: kind of started falling off. We were absolutely in no 204 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: man's land in terms of time, I think because we 205 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: all grew up watching you guys, and so we were all. 206 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I learned to dance and sing from watching 207 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: and sing videos gets in front of the tea videos. 208 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: You know, Oh, shots fired, shots fired. I was more 209 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: of it. I like the up tempos. You're not a 210 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: mid tempo ballad type. Every now and then there's something 211 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: for everyone, yeah, um. And so I had always wanted 212 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: to be in a boy band, and then I started 213 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: coming out to l A from Texas for acting things 214 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: over the summer and things like that, and had a 215 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: dance agent, which is wild, yeah, because I I don't 216 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: know how I got one. I should I had no 217 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: business having a dance agent. And I had just gone 218 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: back to Texas and they called and said there was 219 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: audition for a boy band, and I was freaking out. 220 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, it's my dream. I had 221 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: no idea really that it was just the timing was 222 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: so bad. It couldn't have been worse. And I flew 223 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: back out to audition and I knew it was the 224 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: manager of B two K at the time, who was 225 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: like massive, and it's like this is great, this is perfect. 226 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: And I go in and I audition and they called me. 227 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: It was at the Stance Studio right around the corner 228 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: from here, and they called me like two days later 229 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: or something like, I think he's a good fit. What 230 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: are you willing to stay like an extra week so 231 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: we can all like hang out and meet up. And 232 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: then I think I ended up staying there for a month, 233 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: staying in l A for a month and met the guy. 234 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: I was replacing somebody. Yeah, I I didn't know that 235 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: I and it happened to be. And I did not 236 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: know this when I first got on the boy band. 237 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: The actor I kept going up against the most on auditions, 238 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: and he always kept booking the auditions because he was excellent. 239 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: He happened to be in the boy band and I 240 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: had no idea he could dance, and saying, you've got 241 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: to be kidding, like really, out of all the people 242 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: in this town, like the one kid. Yeah, looking back 243 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: on it was like maybe I had a crush on him. 244 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: And that was also um so I was, I was 245 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: replacing him, and then that was it. I just I 246 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: also was so to me these kids were so cool. 247 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: They had grown up in l A. One of them 248 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: parents owned the dance studio, so you know, it's like 249 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: a whole different thing. And I was this kid coming 250 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: from Texas, just wearing like Quicksilver and Billabong like shorts 251 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: and T shirts. I had no idea. I feel you. Um, 252 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: so you were the B T K B two K management. 253 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: What were they promising you at the time? Like, what 254 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: what were their expectations they I'm sure anything you can imagine, 255 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I think they're gonna be huge, like 256 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: they're like the white B two K. And that was 257 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: the whole thing. It was like we were the white 258 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: because okay, but we could not dance like B T 259 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: K B was also cool. We were not inherently cool 260 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: like B t K at all. And you know, I 261 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: think we in the back of our minds where was like, yes, 262 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: we want to be in sync and back she plays well. 263 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Worked with some great Timberland. Yeah, Ryan Tedder, my buddy Ryan. 264 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: What was it like working with just mega writer producers 265 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: at that time? Well, I mean back then, Ryan Tedder 266 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: was not the Ryan Tedder we know. He was going 267 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: through record label issues with One Republic at the time. 268 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see I had him right before that because 269 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: my mom discovered him. Really can you believe that my 270 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: mama discovered and she's not in music, but she's a teacher. 271 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: She has tastes. She has great taste. But yeah, when 272 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: we we signed him and put him on this MTV show, 273 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: uh Freelance Searched two thousand, it was it was. It 274 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: was the American idol basically kind of one that no 275 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: one would sign him. Absolutely, no one would sign a 276 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: white solo artist because I like, will never work in 277 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: this country. Then Tim Bland came on board and blow 278 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: him up, and we were I remember we'd sit in 279 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: the studio and he would be like, Okay, now, what 280 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: would like Beyonce's writers do. He's like, okay, what she 281 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: would do with this malady? And we would work, you know, 282 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: and cut two less than five years later or something, 283 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: and he had halo. I was like, okay, yeah, it 284 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: must be nice. You really smashed it, right, Huh. Super talented, 285 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: so so so talented. I would really get you know, 286 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: it's something like him too. I could we go into 287 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: the studio and he would sort of, you know, just 288 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: sing it like this. So you're an incredible singer. I 289 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: can't see all of us have that range or technique. 290 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: It means so talented. Um. Now an album was in 291 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: the works but ultimately canceled. Uh. And then you all 292 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: broke up in two thousand nine. What what went down? Well, 293 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: we give us the truth, you know, yeah, I'll just 294 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: give you the truth, a true Hollywood story, no press 295 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: turning red and um sweating and nobody even knows who 296 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: n LT so it doesn't matter. But what happened was, Um, 297 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: we we had a single called she said, I said 298 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: that was doing quite well. I think it got thirty 299 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: something on Billboard, and so we were shocked and you know, 300 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: crazy happy, and then there started to be some controversy 301 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: with our manager shocking. Um, not too dissimilar from things 302 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: you've experienced, I think, and so we we're like, how 303 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: do we He totally formed us like we were his 304 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: project completely, and so then we were sixteen seventeen trying 305 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: to figure out how do we leave him. We had 306 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: at this point we were signed with Geffen, like Ron 307 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: Fair at Geffen, and we knew like, well, we want 308 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: to stay with them. We don't want to go. We 309 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: feel like we were going to get in trouble and 310 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: doing something wrong. But we sort of rutrated to go 311 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: around circumvent the management, tell Iron that we wanted to 312 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: break away from him, and he was supported and as 313 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: an artist you should be able to choose your representation, 314 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: but had been like I think we had been a 315 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: band technically for four years, not that we were active 316 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: for four years, so it just felt like a really, 317 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: really big deal. So we started to break away from that, 318 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: and we started to find other people who had worked 319 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: with us, like our tour manager, and things like that. 320 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: Started to big We're glad you're doing this, and would 321 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: tell us sort of the shady things that the manager 322 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: had been doing to everyone, you know, to every department, 323 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: making side deals and all that. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, 324 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: we didn't see not that we were making money, but 325 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: we were living off of advances and things like that 326 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: at the time, and we were not getting most of 327 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: those advances for We found out when we went on 328 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: tour too, that they weren't even providing the the gas 329 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: money to the tour manager to pay for the tour bus, 330 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: and so she was doing out of her pocket and 331 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: wouldn't tell us because she was trying to protect us. 332 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: But he funneled up apparently funneled that money to go 333 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: make a music video for one of his other artists 334 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: or something like that. So things like that were happening, 335 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: and then I auditioned for Glee during that towards the 336 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: end of that, did your Nemesis audition for that too? No, 337 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: I never saw her again. I don't know where he went, 338 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: but luckily he was busy that day. And so the 339 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: summer after this sort of happening happened, I audition for 340 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: Glee and randomly got it, you know, just iud for 341 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: things all the time, it didn't get them. I happened 342 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: to get this one. And also at the time, one 343 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: of the other singers in the group he I think 344 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: we had I don't know the timelines messy in my head, 345 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: but I'm giving you the really long version of this. 346 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: But then he told us that he had sort of 347 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: behind our completely, had gone behind our backs and gotten 348 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: himself a solo deal with Ron Geffen. But yeah, however 349 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: we had no success yet, there was no album out. 350 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: We had to put out singles. No, and it was 351 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: and because he found out from the label that, oh, 352 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: they have no more budget for an LT that year. Rick, well, yeah, no, ship, 353 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: it's like October. Have you heard of the quarter system. 354 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm the one who checks the royalty reports how much 355 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: we're spending or they're spending on us. Every quarter, and 356 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: so he's like, well, you know, and I can still 357 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: do things with the group. And I was hopes. I 358 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: was crying and bawling and like that was it. That 359 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: was sort of like, oh, well, we can't really do 360 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: this anymore. What happened was Fox and Geffen had verbally 361 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: agreed to let me do the show, and they did, 362 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: like all the business affairs that talked to everybody, they 363 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: talked to me, and they're like, this is great. This 364 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: never happens, like cool. And then two of the guys 365 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: in the group, the other two guys in the group 366 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: of n LT, exercise their option to get out of 367 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: do you want I don't know why I'm telling you, 368 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: I want to hear this. Um they left an LT 369 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: and they're like, you should probably do that too. But 370 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 1: by this point Glee had already been picked up and 371 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: we were filming the first thirteen episodes. Oh and then 372 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: the pilot had aired after the finale of American Idol, 373 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: and we had the number four songs in the country, 374 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah, let me just put 375 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: in my paperwork too. Here's the written thing where I'm 376 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: getting out of my m LT contract. Whatever. I didn't know. 377 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: We didn't know that we had there were options in 378 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: our LT contract to sign us a solo artist. So 379 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: they said, no, we're opening the option to keep you 380 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: as a solo is going to take off like no other. 381 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: And not that I was contacted by them, not that 382 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: they even had any interest in doing it. They just 383 00:20:54,680 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: exercised the option, and then somehow Fox found out and 384 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: that's when all that happened. I got any questions over there, Turkey, 385 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: any questions about I mean about Gleaves good stuff you 386 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: want to get because the doc came out, I've not 387 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: seen that. Did you watch the doc at all? Okay, 388 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: so you're against it? Okay, So the whole cast doesn't 389 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: like this because what what side of the story was told? Then? 390 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: Like who was telling this story? Couldn't tell you from 391 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: from what I've seen, because some people tweeted me to like, 392 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: what is this. It's people who had like peripheral experiences 393 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: and an assistant of somebody, somebody who worked on one 394 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: season of something in the crew and yeah, and you're 395 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: talking about really serious things. These are people just because 396 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: like you are around to like gossip on set for 397 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: a year or something, doesn't mean you know anything substantial 398 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: about these actors as humans, especially all the tragedies that 399 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: happened exactly. It's like these are for you to sort 400 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: of like win up and spend these things into something 401 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: that it's not like ship happens, horrible things just happen 402 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: that doesn't and we all did work together, but that 403 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it needs to be some crazy Seriously, it's like, oh, well, 404 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: this person said this thing, and so it must have 405 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: been that person who said It's like nobody knows shit. 406 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: It's like the things I could see from people tweeting 407 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: me um, I was like, wow, there's it's really and 408 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: this is like a small thing. I don't even think 409 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: that show did that well or anything, but it made 410 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: me just think about the people who are super super 411 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: famous who have to go through that all the time, 412 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: every single day, and there's conspiracy theories and people don't 413 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: know anything about any people. Yeah, and you, if you, 414 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: God forbid you ever go on TikTok and see some 415 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: of these people who were like I just heard this 416 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: blind item about this person and they have the mass 417 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: like hundreds of thousands of followers and are just saying 418 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: the most mundane basic as I'm like, if you're gonna 419 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: come up with a conspiracy at least like make it 420 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: more interesting. You like the Brittany people and say she's 421 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: dead and it's a clone. They say that about Avril 422 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: Levine too, They're all clones. Um. Now, I obviously know 423 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: a lot of people that were on your show, and 424 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: I know just being on Glee it was like being 425 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: in a boy band in a way, because I know 426 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: the rehearsals that y'all had to do, the fandom that 427 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: y'all had, the performances and tours you would go on, 428 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: you would have the screaming fans, So you got to 429 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: know what it was like to be in a band. 430 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: I did get a taste of that. We were like 431 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: a glorified cover band, but it was that was sort 432 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: of my boy band success story. What was your favorite 433 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: did you like? Did you like, you know, filming, because 434 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: I know your days were hard. I've heard I've heard 435 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: some stories. Um, did you like filming the show or 436 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: did you like touring and being on stage more? Oh? 437 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if I had a preference, but I 438 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: think Guy was one of the only ones who did 439 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: love touring. Nobody else really enjoyed it the way I did, 440 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: which I understand it was that has to be your dream, 441 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: and that absolutely was my dream, and I think for 442 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: some people it was like, you know, we had just 443 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: shot for nine and a half months and go straight 444 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: into a tour and we didn't really have a break. 445 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: Like for the second tour we did, which was an 446 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: arena tour, we had three days off and then we 447 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: set up the show in three days and then we 448 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: were just gone and they only had us for a 449 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: certa amount of time. So we did basically like a 450 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: three month tour in six weeks. We were doing matinees 451 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: like a concert. It wasn't like it was a theater show. Yeah, 452 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: we went to Toronto and did four shows and over 453 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: Saturday and Sundays. What is That's a lot? They were 454 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: trying to maximize there, and you know, but that was 455 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: very very surreal having grown up and like seeing people 456 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: like you performing in arenas and stadiums and getting to 457 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: go even if it wasn't character I was like, I 458 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: don't care, Yeah, it's it is quite the experience. And 459 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: to be able to have, you know, been able to 460 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: do that, I mean not not many people understand what 461 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: that's like because the road is hard. It's tiring. It's 462 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: it's tough. Who was your crew on that show? Who 463 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: is your I mean, Jenna obviously really good friend of yours, 464 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: you'll do a podcast together. Um, but who was your 465 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: your besties on that show? I mean, I know it 466 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: sounds everyone we were. We were all obsessed with each 467 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: other like we would I mean, for like for tour, 468 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: for example, they had like a girl's dressing room in 469 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: a boy's dressing room, and then Chris and I would 470 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: always be sneaking into the girls. So I was definitely 471 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: closer with all the girls. Um, and we had like 472 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: one of our pas, we had two pas on tour 473 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: that we're also pas on the show, Italian Megan, And 474 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: they were part of the crew just as much as 475 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, any of the cast, Like we were all 476 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: just besties. And so yeah, Jenna and Amber and Chris 477 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: and we're all I know that's a lame answer, but 478 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: I think also the show worked for so long because 479 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: we were all that close. When you do your podcast, 480 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: and that's what you really missed. Um, what is it 481 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: like going back and rewatching these episodes? Because this is 482 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: people do this now a good bit on podcast. It's 483 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: so fun, you know, boy, Meets World does it? Now? 484 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: All these iconic shows, what's it like watching because I 485 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: can't go back and watch anything I do. I get 486 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: so embarrassed. But you're forced to have to watch these, Uh, 487 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: what is it like watching yourself? You know, as your character? Um, 488 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: sometimes it's not great, and it's like, oh, I I 489 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: really was bad, so bad I happened before I happened recently. Actually, 490 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: we're watching an episode and I was texting Jenna and 491 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: I was like, how did I get hired? That's what 492 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: I say, is how did I get And there's also 493 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: go what I'm enjoying about it so much is seeing 494 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: everybody else's performances really and like, oh they were good 495 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: and I didn't necessarily know at the time. You know, 496 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: you're ambered by Amber. I fell in love. I mean 497 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: when she did break the windows out the car. Oh 498 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: my god, she's freak. I don't understand how anyone but 499 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: she was. That was one person from day one, and 500 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's not a normal voice. That's crazy. 501 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: This is easy for her, But it wasn't. She got 502 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: pushed to like that was the thing. Like she showed 503 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: up and didn't have to sing in the style that 504 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: we all know from her now, Like she was not 505 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: sort of like belting and wailing until Gale sort of 506 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: forced her to do that. What is your favorite song 507 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: coming out of Glee and what's your worst, um my 508 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: favorite song? I mean anything Amber sings on it. It 509 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: depends on the mood. You know. There's there's seven something songs, 510 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: so it's really there is a really there's a couple 511 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: of mashups that people were like tagging me on TikTok 512 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: lately that I was thinking about. There's a Adell mashup 513 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: that's incredible, rumor has it and someone like you. And 514 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: then there's a Survivor I will Survive mashup that is 515 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: also very good. Ambers on both of those. Do you 516 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: know how many top tens you've had? I don't. I 517 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: feel like every week you had a different song. It 518 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: was like on iTunes. It was crazy, like when we 519 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: had the iTunes charts back then. That was fun because 520 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: I also, coming from a very unsuccessful musical group, being 521 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: a part of a successful musical act was very very exciting. 522 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: No one else gave a ship, but every week I 523 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: was just sending them the numbers. Columbia started sending me 524 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: the breakdowns every week of sales, and I was very excited. 525 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: It was fun to watch. And your nemesis is they're 526 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: eating pizza at home and LIKELD have been. I could 527 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: have actually left after this. I'm gonna we need to instagram. 528 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: Wait do I have he right here? Oh? Wait? Oh 529 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: this is the chart? Okay, so two seven songs, Hello, 530 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: you had three top ten hits. Don't stop believe. Of 531 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: course that was the iconic forget You poker Face, Somebody 532 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: poker Face actually went to number twenty. Um Jesse's Girl 533 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: Somebody to Love Defying Gravity singing the rand Umbrella teenage 534 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: dream loser like me. Yeah, all those hit the charts. 535 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: That's crazy. I want to go back to Because you 536 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: said an n LT it was like a master class 537 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry for you. Let's give us a 538 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: good frost to tip on what you learned in this 539 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: master class. What is what's your biggest tip with this 540 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: entertainment industry. I think I learned how to be around 541 00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: and work with adults because I was a kid, that's 542 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen when I first started enalty, and we were 543 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: always around you know, like you're you're just around adults 544 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: besides the group you're in, it's going to audition for 545 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: record labels, going on tour. You have to be able 546 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: to sort of hold your own and not everybody has 547 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: that personality type to be able to have The adults 548 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: are going to treat you like adults and the other 549 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: half were gonna treat you like you're a dog, like 550 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: an hunder dog, like you just don't mean anything to them. 551 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: But it was very It was just very very useful, 552 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: and I think I had sort of training naturally from 553 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: not from my dad. Can talk to anyone about any 554 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: of these the most social person I've ever met. It's 555 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: I don't know how he does it. I don't have 556 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: that and and me, but I can fake it enough 557 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: in the you know, business situations where I need to, 558 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: and that was very very important. I also think the 559 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: other thing was the work ethic of being in dance rehearsals, 560 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: being in the studio. Also, I was going to high 561 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: school at that time. Being able to show up for 562 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: each thing properly um was very important because again, if 563 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: in my group there were four of us, and not 564 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: everybody is necessarily going to be on their A game 565 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: all the time. But if you can be as much 566 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: as possible then, like going to something like Glee. Then 567 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: I was prepared for that because I had done this 568 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: already on a much different scale. But it's all the 569 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: same ship. It's still dance rehearsal, it's still recording, like 570 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of people coming from Broadway and things 571 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: like that had never really been in the recording studio 572 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: as much as I had, so I knew how to 573 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: do all of these things. It is it's a masterclass. 574 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, and when you're thrown into something 575 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: like that, which very few of us do get to 576 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: do that, Um, yeah, you grew up very quickly, very quickly, 577 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: and it's you know, and it's so funny how we 578 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: all kind of have similar stories with management. Yeah, like 579 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: are there no good managers out there? Like why can't 580 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: everyone's first deal be okay, there's management be fine? Why 581 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: it's the same story for decades? Three were not learned? 582 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: Can we not see it going into this now? I 583 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: just don't get it now. It's anytime I see anyone 584 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: who's managing like a young, nice looking boy in their teens, like, yeah, 585 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: well they have some questions for you. We'll think about 586 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: k pop, Like all these groups being like manufactured over there. 587 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: I can only imagine the crappy deals they have. And 588 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: I always wonder about. Yeah, I mean it can't be 589 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: good because they there's a there's a group, a pop 590 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: group that I love, but they split them into I 591 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: think there's like three or four iterations of that group, 592 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: if that makes sense, but different names like a Moving Manuda. Yeah, 593 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: and there's like one or two of the guys that 594 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: are in every single iteration of the group. It was 595 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: like the amount of time that he must spend in 596 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: the dance studio because they don't stop dancing. They're they're 597 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: dancing and then the songs over. And I always wonder 598 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: about because whatever they're doing in sort of there like 599 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: training facilities, it seems to be working and it's great, 600 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: and they turn out all these really talented performers. It's 601 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: like a military. Yeah, but what I don't know what 602 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: the day to day. I would love to see the 603 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: inner workings of this. I want to I want to 604 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: expose a documentary. Let's go let's go out, let's do 605 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: this infiltrate. Maybe we should audition. We want to be 606 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 1: the first American K poppers. Oh my god, let's get 607 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: to something very positive. You and Austin I've been together 608 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: for quite a few years now. How did y'all meet? 609 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: We worked together on a mini series called When We 610 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: Rise and just became really good friends for like six months, 611 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: and then I was like, this is this has to happen. 612 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: So six months we did a month of being friends. 613 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: But six months that's I was getting out of a relationship. 614 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: I had been in like a seven year relationship before that. 615 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: And then, yeah, it was sort of a weird We 616 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: were both at weird points in our lives for different reasons, 617 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: and so I didn't know how to I had never 618 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: broken up with somebody either, So that was going on 619 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: and figuring out this little weirdo Austin. And but it 620 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: worked out, you know, we persisted and somehow I remember 621 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: thinking like, maybe this will last six months, and it's 622 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: six and a half year, six and a half years. 623 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: What makes it work? I think the willingness. Two we 624 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: are very different, but I think we're both willing to 625 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: give each other the or were not willing, but we know, 626 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: like we are independent people. First, we are individuals, and 627 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: then how do we still be our individual selves and 628 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: reach our full potential? And all that just yes and 629 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: then still have like a really happy relationship. And so 630 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: I think I learned some great things from my last relationship, 631 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: like give us a tip on our last relations communication. 632 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: We we were I know that's so cliche, but we 633 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: talked about everything, everything, and we had an open relationship, 634 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: and so that also you have to have. We don't 635 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: have to. We had to have a very open, constant dialogue. 636 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: And once you get used to something like that and 637 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: see how effective it is, I then were sort of, 638 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe slowly teaching us on that level 639 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: of communication, because he's someone who was not very open 640 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: at all. Like I'm the person you can be open with. 641 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: You don't have to be open with anyone else, but 642 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: this has gotta So that sort of understanding of communication 643 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: has been very, very very vital. That's true. That's I mean, 644 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: Turkey and I went through the same thing. He's he 645 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: likes to keep a lot of things in and I'm 646 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: just I talked too much, you know, and I just 647 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: wanted like, well it was wrong here, well and say 648 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: and you could tell it made him anxious for me 649 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: being so open, so it would close them down even more. 650 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: And so it took us years to really kind of 651 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: be able to happen together. Twelve years. I'm talking about 652 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: this with my therapist yesterday. Happy Animary. It's twelve months 653 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: or twelve years this week. My congratulations. That's wild Hollywood success. 654 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: Gay years. That's what you do like dog years. Yeah, 655 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: eight years, you're looking so good for eighty phenomenal. Send 656 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: me your doctor's doctors. Um, so Turkey. I know you've 657 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: got a couple of questions over there, and I have 658 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: some fan questions for you to Let's just start with 659 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: the fan questions because this is like the real stuff 660 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: you out there that you don't care about my questions. 661 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: It's all about your questions. Um all right, So wait first, 662 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: let's do another frost to tip because it says, so 663 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: you and your boyfriend Austin I love to travel together, 664 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: and that is I think one of the biggest if 665 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: you want to know you can be with someone travel 666 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: because I've traveled with people that it was horrible and 667 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: I knew it was not meant to be. And I'm 668 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: a traveler. I like adventure. Um, so, what are some 669 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: tips on traveling with your partners so you don't kill 670 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: each other? I think understanding what your expectations are for 671 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: where you're going and how you're going to do that, 672 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: because we do like to travel differently, he and I 673 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: and I hadn't we traveled. We were hopping around Europe 674 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: this past summer for six weeks and I was working 675 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: myself into like a dizzy. You know, we we're going 676 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: to Barcelona in three days and we have nothing planned, 677 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: like what are we gonna do? And He's like, I 678 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: don't really care. He's like I'm cool to do like whatever. Yeah, 679 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: And I used to be like that, and I don't 680 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: know what's happened at the age or something, and so 681 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: what I learned was like he just wanted He's like, 682 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: I'll look into things if that's what you I was like, 683 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: oh yeah, could you? Like I was shouldering all this 684 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: self made responsibility that was not existent, and so I 685 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: think it was just like, oh, what are what do 686 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: we want from this trip? Well? I think probably we're 687 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: both people pleasers, right, and we want to make sure 688 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: that you have a great time, totally adventure and experience. 689 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: UM so I want to have of those things that 690 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: you know it was set up like Okay, we're gonna 691 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: go here and it's gonna be amazing. Never turns out 692 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,959 Speaker 1: the way that you you plan. I was never worried 693 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: about myself. I was totally worried about I want him 694 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: to enjoy this experience exactly. And now I've I've gotten better, right, 695 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: I just kind of going with the flow, just like 696 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: we were at Park City last weekend and of course 697 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: had all these pints. We're going snowmobile and we're doing this, 698 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna go town, we're gonna shopping here, and we 699 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: didn't do any of that. We just sat at home 700 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: in front of a fireplace, drinking our hot chocolate. You 701 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: can't beat. It was great. It's great. And now I've 702 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: learned to relax more with Turkey. Like I was always 703 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: just like Dad, go, go, go go. Now I'm totally 704 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: fine just doing nothing. Now occasionally you'll take a nap. Dude, 705 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: I actually napped, that's kid. Good job. Yeah, those two 706 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: they taught me how to nap. Oh man, I'm such 707 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: a napper. Now. What was I missing for so many years? Naps? 708 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: Apparently not amazing? And now I drink tons of coffee. 709 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: It's a thing. Um alright, fan question number one, Turkey 710 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: of it to him, Well, this is really really cutting 711 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: answer this question, what is your good to karaoke song 712 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: from Valista? I usually do rap. Um, I like a 713 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: good rap. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the talents that 714 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: he has that really made me really like him, like great, 715 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: but he knows all the words to the really really 716 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: fast like busta rhyme songs. It's so impressive and it 717 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: turned me on that understand that. Um. I usually if 718 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: they have anything from Watch the Throne jay Z and 719 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: Kanye Old Kanye. What is one song you wish Glee 720 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: covered from Emma? Oh? Um, always more Beyonce as much 721 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: as Beyonce is. We did do a lot of Beyonce, 722 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: but like I always wish now, like when music comes 723 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: out like that would have been good ugly, like there 724 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: was the whole thing a couple of years ago, like 725 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: oh my god, if Hamilton had come out during Glee, 726 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: they would have done a full episode of Hamilton's totally, 727 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: which was very accurately I didn't sink, right, I mean 728 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: there was not enough. We did not do enough. I 729 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: caught to try to get more. Uh yeah, because I 730 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: think I did by by one of the songs that 731 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: was like, that's cool. Glee. Given the last question, from 732 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 1: And this is actually a good question. I was wondering 733 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: this too, you know, as a quoi bander and as 734 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: a you know, a dancer with a dance agent previously. Um, 735 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: what was it like, you know, having your character in 736 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: a wheelchair and you having to I mean you had 737 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: to do everything you know, your wheelchair, so you couldn't 738 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: really dance per se. So like what was that whole adjustment? 739 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: Like it was I mean, it was definitely strange, and 740 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: it was an adjustment. At first, it was like I 741 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: got the job, so I'm gonna you know whatever, But 742 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: you knew that character was in a wheelchair when and 743 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: so I was just trying to figure out how do 744 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: I make this um as real as possible to do 745 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 1: justice to the character and people in wheelchairs and um. 746 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: And then at some point as the show started going, 747 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: and there would be a couple of dances that were 748 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: like really good and like damn it, like I want 749 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: to do that, I want to I want to do that. 750 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: And so I did start learning a lot of the 751 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: dances out of the wheelchair, just for fun, just so 752 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: I didn't lose it, you know, and then and then 753 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: applying it to being in a wheelchair, it was pretty easy, 754 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: but I did miss some of it of like I'd 755 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: be on the wings of some of those numbers, like 756 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: doing especially the girl numbers. But how great is it 757 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: to play a character, you know, with a disability like that. 758 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm obviously so many fans that are in 759 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: wheelchairs have probably reached out to you and said thank 760 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: you so much for the representational television. Yeah, it was 761 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: definitely very overwhelming because there was a lot of parents 762 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: and a lot of kids who would say, like, oh, 763 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: they come into like they want to watch the art 764 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: show because they would say, that's me, that's my character 765 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: that was like you house. Yeah, I just referred I 766 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: saw the show was called Michelle. Yeah it was. It 767 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,959 Speaker 1: was really it was very sweet and I was very happy. 768 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: I got to meet a lot a lot of people 769 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: who were positively impacted. Yeah, I was happy to get 770 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: to play it. So alright, so here we go. I'm 771 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,439 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna start a lyric and you're just gonna 772 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: finish it. Um, you might know this one. It's she said, 773 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: I said by n LT. I just feel that we 774 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: are in the same room but live in two worlds apart, 775 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: and it's causing too much pain. She said, yeah, yeah, 776 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: it ain't too late to work this thing out. Perfect. Okay, 777 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: now this one. If you don't know, I'm going to 778 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: throw you out of the studio. Let it go if 779 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 1: you want me, girl, let me know. I am down 780 00:42:53,800 --> 00:43:00,479 Speaker 1: on my knees. I can't take it any Yeah. When 781 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: you when we are, yes, tear in my heart and sank. 782 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: You know how happy my parents get and my sister 783 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: every time I've either I've seen you or j C. 784 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: I can't believe your friends with that. I'm like, yeah, 785 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean neither. I'm playing it really cool kind of 786 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: We'll give them my love for me, not j C. 787 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: He's still living in our backyard, all right. In your 788 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,919 Speaker 1: last one here, let's see. Um. I like this game. 789 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, where you're from, what 790 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: you did, as long as you love. Very good Kevin McAll. 791 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: It's been so great having you on the show. Max 792 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: Martin is the I just saw Max Martin at the 793 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: Aaron Carter event and uh he has not changed at all. 794 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: What a funny man. He's just like very kind of shy, 795 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: and you know, you wouldn't even know that he's the 796 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: biggest songwriter in the history of music. It's very yeah, unassuming. 797 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,919 Speaker 1: He smells like money. He's just smelling money. It never 798 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: came my way, but you know you try. Thank you 799 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: so much, alright. Your tips for this episode. If you're 800 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: into singing, let Jesus take the will. Uh. You live 801 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: and you learn and you literally have to pay for 802 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: it sometimes. Make sure you can hold your own and 803 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: always be on your A game in any relationship, learn 804 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: how to communicate and our last frosta tip when traveling 805 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: with your significant other, understand each other's expectations. There you go. 806 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: That was beautiful, all right, Kevin? How can everyone stay 807 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: in touch with you out there? My number is? My 808 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: name on grinder is oh god, I forgot this video. 809 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: Believe me. I sweating on Twitter. I'm drew a dude 810 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: because I can't change it now, Instagram, everything else, Kevin mcale, Okay, 811 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: you'll find you. Are you a tick talker? Yeah? Okay, 812 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean sort of sometimes like once a month, all right, 813 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: well that's good enough. Yeah, and then you know, eight 814 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: hours go by and I look up, I'm like, what 815 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: have I done? So I try to not go on 816 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: it too often. It's true, It's like it's it's the 817 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: only platform that I've actually gotten addicted to. Others, I'm like, yeah, whatever, 818 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: it's always use every platform for work, So I just 819 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: post something great, don't even look at it again. TikTok 820 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 1: you get lost. You just get lost and all puppies 821 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff. But uh, it's true as 822 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: fun for now. Like I said, with every platform, it 823 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: gets evil. It hasn't turned evil yet, but it's gonna 824 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: you just watching, it's gonna get dark. Alright, guys, thank 825 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: you so much for listening. We love you out there. 826 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: Stay in touch with us. Please just follow frosted tips 827 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: with Lance. I think that's it. I forget our own 828 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: uh Instagram. Also on TikTok, I've realized we have a 829 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: TikTok now, and yeah, you are really actually enjoying tik 830 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: talk more than Instagram. But we'll have fun there. That's 831 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: how you communicate with us, d m us with your questions, 832 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: your tips for us. We like all unsolicited advice on 833 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: this show. Follow all of our platforms at Lants, Bass, 834 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: at Michael Church and art Um. Oh yeah, and go 835 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: review this show. You know, give us a few stars, 836 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: you know five, I'm five full bodied stars, big ones 837 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: because you know, we have some reviews out there that 838 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: are hilarious. One I Love says I will give you 839 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: five stars when Justin comes on. Okay, well we'll do that, 840 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: and then the other one is like, well I would 841 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: have given you more stars if you didn't curse and 842 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: thanks to Kevin. Now we gotta put an e on 843 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: this show. I heard the one word come out. I'm sorry, 844 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: there go Can you beat me? Um? Now, it's not 845 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: fun to believe. It's finally we're on a platform we 846 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: can actually do whatever we want. I need you to 847 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: get five stars. Well that's never gonna happen. But thank 848 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: you so much for listening. Be good to each other, 849 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: don't drink and drive out there, and we'll see you 850 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: next week with who's coming. Oh we don't know yet, 851 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: but check our you know, check our instagram. We're gonna 852 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,359 Speaker 1: announce who's coming next very soon. All right, love you guys. Hey, 853 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at frost to 854 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,439 Speaker 1: tips with Lance and Michael Church and at Lance Bass 855 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 1: for all your pop culture needs, and make sure to 856 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: write us review and leave us five stars six if 857 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: you can see you next time. M