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Speaker 7: I started pasking Cole obviously didn't see him last week,

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Speaker 7: but is there a timeline for when you guys might

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Speaker 7: get him back on the field.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we didn't really put a hard timeline on it.

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Speaker 8: I think it's more just how you know, Couver covering

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Speaker 8: from the injury, getting him back acclimated. I mean's to

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Speaker 8: do that without a bunch of padded practices takes probably

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Speaker 8: a little longer than might otherwise, so, but he's doing

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Speaker 8: a good job and he's definitely getting better.

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Speaker 5: You're seeing improvement said, he's taken some snaps from him

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Speaker 5: at center on just what have you seen from him

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Speaker 8: Because that's kind of new to him. He's been playing

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Speaker 8: done a good job and he's learning it. It's new

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Speaker 8: think he's he's done a pretty good job. You know

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Speaker 4: How realistic is it? You know, he doesn't have like

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Speaker 4: training camp and stuff like that practice center. He's never

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Speaker 4: played that in the NFL, So like, how realistic would

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Speaker 4: it be to put him in a regular season game

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Speaker 4: at this point?

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know we we we had Ben Brown

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Speaker 8: show up from from another team and he went, no,

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Speaker 8: I mean really you want to have the operation down.

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Speaker 8: I think for for Ben, I mean for Cole uh,

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Speaker 8: just the level of comfort and getting him. I mean,

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Speaker 8: he's he knows the system. I think the fundamental techniques

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Speaker 1: What about cool skill set? Makes him a good fitted center?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's quick, he's strong, he's athletic, he can pull

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Speaker 8: a smart guy. Uh, does you know he can run

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Speaker 8: the show there? I think it's for him. He has

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Speaker 8: all the attributes you want. I think it's it's just

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Speaker 8: kind of now refining and getting him more comfortable. He

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Speaker 8: played center, Uh, I think he played a little bit

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Speaker 8: in college, but I'm mostly I think it mostly played guard.

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Speaker 8: But he did play in the Senior Bowl and I

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Speaker 8: thought he looked pretty good there, So I think he's

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Speaker 8: it's a good fit for him.

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Speaker 9: As far as Cole playing said of this season, would

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Speaker 9: you guys consult Drake and see his preferences and things like.

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Speaker 8: That, and that's well, you want your center and quarterback

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Speaker 8: to have good rapport. But like I said, with Ben,

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Speaker 8: it was like, hey, here's no, definitely. But I think

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Speaker 8: for it's really at this point, it's really just a

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Speaker 8: a from a technical end. Now, have you seen the

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Speaker 8: kind of like that chemistry between Drake and Cole gross

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Speaker 8: and cold returned? You know, it's a I'm I'm not

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Speaker 8: sure I an answer that for me. I think that

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Speaker 8: I think it's just you know, I think when you're

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Speaker 8: taking snaps from a different person, you got to get repetition.

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Speaker 8: So there haven't been any issues there.

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Speaker 7: What Kayden, how close do you feel like he is

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Speaker 8: He's looking better too. I think you know, you know,

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Speaker 8: he's been incrementally taking more reps, so he's looking looking

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Speaker 1: What have you seen from Layton since he got back

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Speaker 7: The Videria and it seems like he had some issues.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals. What do you think like to some of.

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Speaker 8: you know, you can't. Nobody cares. There's no asterisk next

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Speaker 4: How much of a factor that all you know, the

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Speaker 8: our mental errors have have gone down, you know, knock

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Speaker 3: This is a little bit random when it comes to

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Speaker 3: is there a specific kind of metric where you're saying

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Speaker 8: Well, it's a combination of things. I think if you, uh,

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Speaker 8: Well, if you're longer, you know, obviously for an inside

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Speaker 8: And if you can touch them at length, you got

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Speaker 8: Like, no, it's not a deal breaker. But it's it's

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Speaker 4: So for sure, you no, as far as this weekend

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Speaker 7: With Ben Brown, we saw a couple of bed snaps

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Speaker 8: There is no excuse for a bad snap. He had

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Speaker 8: that was the purpose of the towel. But the towel

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Speaker 8: But we definitely was that. We removed the towel and

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Speaker 1: An issue this weekend. Is that something that happened to.

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Speaker 8: Do with a towel. I've never seen the towel like that.

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Speaker 8: I've never seen that. Yeah, sometimes the towel can get

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Speaker 10: as like a six offensive linement or do you just

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Speaker 8: You know, I got to be honest, I'm we're really

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Speaker 11: It's a really good group and their receptors of the

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Speaker 8: I don't have any of those worries. Each day.

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Speaker 11: I feel good about my guys just continuing just to

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Speaker 8: Had off off seasons.

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Speaker 6: So the runs did different.

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Speaker 6: And then some of it's the mindset.

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Speaker 9: You know, there's a few runs he had early on

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Speaker 9: I've always watched some of the stuff he's done from afar,

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Speaker 1: He's a big guy, you know.

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Speaker 6: Uh, and he's got the confidence too.

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Speaker 9: And it's gonna pay pay big for him the rest

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Speaker 5: Say Mike Pepper a little bit, A lot of feedback

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Speaker 9: You know, some of it is just the you got Dre,

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Speaker 6: But I think as the offense uh develops and as.

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Speaker 6: That's definitely something I'd love to do.

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Speaker 1: That that phase. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Yep, thank you. Good now, Yeah they did. They break

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Speaker 6: you know, so it is, it's good stuff, all right,

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