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Speaker 1: Welcome to Desperately Devoted.

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Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat

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Speaker 2: about life and relationship, all.

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Speaker 3: While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together.

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Speaker 2: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emersonini. Well,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. Thank you for joining us. This is a

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Speaker 2: very exciting episode. I love how Mary Alice always either

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Speaker 2: does her entrances or she does her sort of recaps

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Speaker 2: in her voiceover, and in this episode, Mary Alice tells

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Speaker 2: us quote throughout even the most respectable of neighborhoods, you

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Speaker 2: can hear the sound of scandal. And for today's podcast,

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Speaker 2: we have the most very special guest who I know

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Speaker 2: knows a thing or two about scandal. So please everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome from the Real Housewives of Orange County and the

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Speaker 2: longest running Housewives, having appeared on fifteen of nineteen season

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Speaker 2: Tamra Judge. Welcome to Deperately.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. This is so exciting for me.

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Speaker 1: You have no idea, none whatsoever. I literally, I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And I laid in bed yesterday and watched eight hours straight.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so I just I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: just going to watch all of season one again.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I got to eight and I'm like, I really need

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Speaker 1: to get out of bed. Okay, I'm going to jump

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Speaker 1: to sixteen and then I'm going to come back and

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Speaker 1: rewatch because I mean, you guys, you guys are actually

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Speaker 1: the reason why there's a Real Housewives.

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Speaker 2: Well, my very first question was I was like, it's.

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Speaker 3: Off.

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Speaker 2: It's written here in all caps, like, I've got to

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Speaker 2: ask you this right off the pat Do you even

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Speaker 2: think there would be a Real Housewives if it weren't

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Speaker 2: for Desperate Housewives? And were you a fan, which it

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Speaker 2: sounds like you.

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Speaker 1: Were absolutely a fan. Absolutely No, you guys paved the

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Speaker 1: way for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, isn't it. I Mean, well, I think what

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Speaker 2: to me, what's crazy is it about? It is how

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Speaker 2: successful your franchise has become. I mean, it's way more

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Speaker 2: successful than Desperate Housewives, and I find that to just

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Speaker 2: be I mean, I really do remember at the time

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Speaker 2: we were, you know, in our success. I'm not quite

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Speaker 2: sure if we were in a season where we were

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Speaker 2: waning a little bit in our viewership. I don't really

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Speaker 2: remember exactly that timing but I do remember the first

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Speaker 2: year Real Housewives came out, and I think we said

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Speaker 2: it exactly that way. But I do recall feeling like,

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Speaker 2: is Mark Cherry getting like a percentage of this because

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Speaker 2: it sort of seems like he should be, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean it really is crazy, but I mean, you

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Speaker 2: guys have like you've got taken the baton and you've

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Speaker 1: All over the world. I remember the original title of

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Speaker 1: the show was behind the Gates, and this was like

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, maybe I think they started, no,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, somewhere around there is when they

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Speaker 1: started like pitching the show. And it was a guy

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Speaker 1: from Scott Dunlap from Coda to Cosa, and you got

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Speaker 1: to do the show. It got sold to Bravo and

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Speaker 1: then they titled it. You know, obviously piggybacked off of

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Speaker 1: Desperate Housewives and it was became the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: Orange County. Well, now obviously it's a franchise and you know,

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Speaker 1: and and I was like, oh my god, they were

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Speaker 1: even holding fruit. Yeah, we hold oranges, right, And of course.

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Speaker 2: I think the marketing team had you hold oranges because

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Speaker 2: we originated with holding apples.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sounds I think right, Yeah, I think there was.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a housewife book that was written

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Speaker 1: a whole section about it.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, really, I mean it's amazing well that I mean,

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Speaker 2: was on Desperate Housewives for seven eight years and you've

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Speaker 1: I was liked, yes, yeah, so I was on fifteen

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Speaker 1: I've got on Bravo for sixteen years. There was a

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Speaker 2: I remember being in the middle of, you know, eight

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Speaker 2: But then you also have like opportunities and sacrifices that

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Speaker 2: you make. I mean, it's so complicated. Do you have

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Speaker 1: Oh jeez, well I think I know.

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Speaker 2: I said I was going to take it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna yeah. So the thing about it is is

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Speaker 1: It's just horrible, horrible feeling. But then you learn to

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Speaker 1: tune that out as much as you can. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: you guys were actresses. You're actors, Like, we're doing this

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Speaker 1: and we're showing our life where we don't have any

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't remember it to save my life. So we're

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Speaker 1: showing our real life where people think we're a little

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Speaker 1: and just start talking about you know, like on last

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Speaker 1: They don't feel not the same boundaries. There's zero boundaries zero.

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Speaker 2: So do you. I mean, it reminds me of you.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm putting up my daughter, like Emerson was

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Speaker 2: But I tried to downplay what felt difficult while still

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Speaker 2: does you reflect on it?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think the good absolutely outweighs the bad. I

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Speaker 1: does like we're fighting, we're arguing. Are we doing that

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Speaker 1: Then we get the backlash of social media and then

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Speaker 1: like childbirth, Like if you go through it, it's horror,

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Speaker 1: So, I mean it's ups and downs on the show

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Speaker 4: How but them do you when you guys are done

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Speaker 2: We filmed for about ten months a year. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: But it's it's a lot. It's it's a cycle because

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Speaker 2: Right, And what do you do in those two months?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to be restored it?

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Speaker 1: Do you worry that you're going to get another contract?

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Speaker 2: Were you devastated because you felt personally rejected or you'd

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Speaker 2: like that you'd done something wrong. And did you feel

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Speaker 1: Yes, because you know, you get this call, it's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm a year to year contract with Bravo. So it

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Speaker 1: you know, you you wonder like, is it is it happening?

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Speaker 2: It's interesting. Emerson like, don't you think and Andrew like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like the feeling you're talking about feels relatable

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Speaker 2: to me as just a human. And I'm wondering like

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Speaker 2: if our listeners it feels like they could benefit from

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Speaker 2: what we all might see as a way to take

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Speaker 2: care of yourself in when you're faced with these kinds

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think in our I'm a writer and

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Speaker 4: Well, And that's I feel like, that's what so many

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Speaker 1: To die on your show?

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Speaker 2: Right people?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious. You were a fan of Desperate Housewives?

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Speaker 2: Now, I was going to ask you, so when this

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Speaker 1: My friend says, you know, we'll go to my because

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Speaker 1: Like I just thought, like Evil Longoria, like I know

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Speaker 1: Desperate Housewives. I don't know who these Orange Housewives. Oh

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Wisteria Lane? Of course I have,

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Speaker 3: Did you connect with one character over another Industrial Housewives

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Speaker 1: want to come meet you. And I'm like, okay, if

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Speaker 1: you want. So I told my husband at the time,

439
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Speaker 1: and I thought for sure he'd say no, and he's like, sure,

440
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Speaker 1: why not. And so they interview me and they give

441
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Speaker 1: me like this big stack of papers to fill out

442
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Speaker 1: and I just threw them in the drawer and I

443
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Speaker 1: just said it's the same cap ning. Then they called

444
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Speaker 1: me back and they're like, did you fill out all

445
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Speaker 1: the applicates? I go, no, I didn't. They're like, well,

446
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Speaker 1: can we come back and meet your kids and your husband.

447
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Speaker 1: I'm like sure, And I never like I didn't care,

448
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Speaker 1: Like I thought, there's no way, there's not even a chance.

449
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: And sure enough, Like they call me. They're like, and

450
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Speaker 1: this is the person I've ever heard this term. They're like,

451
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Speaker 1: you made the shortlist and I'm like, well, what do

452
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Speaker 1: you like the shortlist? I'm like, is it between me

453
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Speaker 1: and somebody?

454
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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's between I. Oh, came on, you give me

456
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Speaker 1: a number. I'm with Slice or Tires. Wow.

457
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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's where. So you will consider yourself a

458
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Speaker 2: competitive person?

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, definitely definitely. But I never ever dreampt

460
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Speaker 1: of this, like being on TV, or being famous, or

461
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Speaker 1: being on reality anything like that.

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Speaker 4: That was a question I had for you, which is

463
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Speaker 4: just you know, Harry mentioned obviously Despert Hoausways was a

464
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Speaker 4: big part of our life, and it certainly had a

465
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Speaker 4: really successful run, but it was still ultimately eight seasons

466
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Speaker 4: of a show with the Real Housewives, It's still going.

467
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Speaker 1: It's been such a giant portion of your life.

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Speaker 4: Yes, do you find though you thought in the beginning, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I don't think I'm interested in this and blah b

470
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Speaker 4: la lah. Now when you reflect on it, like you

471
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Speaker 4: kind of can envision your life having not.

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Speaker 1: Had it been a part of it, I think life

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Speaker 1: would be very different. Yeah. You know, I was in

474
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Speaker 1: a not a great marriage at the time. I had

475
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Speaker 1: three little kids. I had just recently got my real

476
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Speaker 1: estate license because I kind of had a feeling I

477
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: needed a backup plan with this marriage. And when I

478
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Speaker 1: started the show, we weren't getting along, and I think

479
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: by our maybe second or third season, we were divorced.

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Speaker 1: You know, I literally asked for a divorce on camera.

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Speaker 2: But you don't think this show is what put that

482
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Speaker 2: you're saying, Oh, no, I was. It was headed that

483
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Speaker 2: way before.

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Speaker 1: I think if you are on you know, shaky foundation

485
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Speaker 1: with anything, and then you put yourself into this position,

486
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Speaker 1: and especially if you have a husband that is controlling

487
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: or has I guess you can call it old fashioned

488
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: values where the woman stays home and cooks and claims,

489
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Speaker 1: and that's pretty much what I was dealing with. So

490
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Speaker 1: it definitely made things worse. My husband. Now he do

491
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Speaker 1: your thing, babe, have fun. He's just like, keep me

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Speaker 1: out of it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

494
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Speaker 1: He's not big on the filming. He doesn't love it.

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Speaker 2: Does he watch it?

496
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Speaker 1: No?

497
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Speaker 2: Right?

498
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Speaker 1: No, he all say he'll say, was I on any

499
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Speaker 1: of the episodes? He didn't watch one episode this entire year.

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably very healthy.

501
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't care. He's like, he thinks it's silly.

502
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Speaker 1: It's your job, it's your thing. I mean, there's been

503
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Speaker 1: seasons where they've come after him and and you know,

504
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: said things bad things about him, and he's like, I

505
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Speaker 1: don't want to be involved in this, Like this is

506
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: so toxic, you know, and it can it can it

507
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Speaker 1: hurts your character. And at this point, fifteen years in,

508
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, my character has been destroyed, it's been revived,

509
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: it's been destroyed up, it's down, it's you know, but so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just like digging in on that a little bit,

511
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Speaker 2: because again, I do think that people can apply this

512
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Speaker 2: to their own Like I think a lot of people

513
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Speaker 2: these days are like not feeling good about themselves and

514
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: they're not feeling like they have any power to change anything,

515
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Speaker 2: and they're and and it's not a good feeling, Like

516
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Speaker 2: what tools you must to just be able to show

517
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Speaker 2: up today and be so fabulous and present whatever, like

518
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Speaker 2: to go through the fire the way you have, like

519
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Speaker 2: you must have I went through the firem Inner. Tools

520
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Speaker 2: that come from somewhere that you've either learned or gotten

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Speaker 2: from some you know, can you share that? Like, how

522
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Speaker 2: do you keep going on? So?

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Speaker 1: I was I graduated high school three months pregnant, okay,

524
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Speaker 1: and thinking all my dreams have been crushed. I not

525
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Speaker 1: going to college. You know. My parents were very old fashioned.

526
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Speaker 1: They you know, had us get married, put us up

527
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Speaker 1: in a house, you know, and I had my son,

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Speaker 1: who now is almost forty years old, and that was

529
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Speaker 1: a lot to go through. And then you know, shortly

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Speaker 1: after that, of course, the divorce came. I was, I

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Speaker 1: was divorced. I've been married three times now. So navigating

532
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Speaker 1: as a single mom for so many years, it was

533
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Speaker 1: that's a tough job. That is probably one of the

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Speaker 1: toughest jobs out there.

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Speaker 2: And do you feel like that experience, like do you

536
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Speaker 2: feel like when you have hardship or not that having

537
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Speaker 2: a son is a hardship, but I mean being a

538
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Speaker 2: single mom and having it feel hard, do you feel

539
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Speaker 2: like you teach yourself that you can do hard things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definitely think that, you know, the experience

541
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Speaker 1: of going through that and then from that, you know,

542
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Speaker 1: I had the help of my parents even after the

543
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Speaker 1: separation and the divorce and everything, and then I got

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Speaker 1: into it was like ten years later. But then I

545
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Speaker 1: got remarried and it was not a healthy relationship for me,

546
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Speaker 1: and it was I had got three beautiful kids out

547
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Speaker 1: of it, but it was so toxic, and I thought

548
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Speaker 1: it was he was my safe place. I thought that

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Speaker 1: he would be able to, you know, I don't know,

550
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Speaker 1: give me stability. Me and my son, we're going to

551
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: be you know, taken care of, and you know, is

552
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Speaker 1: what I wanted. My mom was a mom at eighteen seventeen,

553
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: and that's all I knew. My grandma was a mom

554
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Speaker 1: very young, and that's what I was going to do.

555
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: So when I met Simon and we married and had kids,

556
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: that divorce was horrible and it was public, and he

557
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: tried to take the kids away from me and each

558
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: named me monster mom in the press and did all

559
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: these things. At the end it you know, nothing ever

560
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: wasn't true, but it was a very difficult thing. To

561
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: go through and very hard to navigate through. So now

562
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Speaker 1: on the show forever, I am getting messages like how

563
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Speaker 1: did you pick yourself up? How did you do it?

564
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: Because honestly, when I left Simon, I wasn't making that

565
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: much money on the show. I had only been on

566
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Speaker 1: a couple of seasons. And you know, way back then,

567
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Speaker 1: I'm my first season, I got seven thousand dollars. Wow,

568
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Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars the whole season.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I started selling my clothes on eBay that I

571
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Speaker 1: wore on the show, and I moved out into a

572
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Speaker 1: two bedroom apartment on the third floor with three kids,

573
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Speaker 1: little kids, and I just made it work. And I've

574
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: just been that person that's like I'm always like what

575
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Speaker 1: can I do next? And what can I do next?

576
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Speaker 1: And I've never relied on the show or my husband

577
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: now for any kind of financial support whatsoever. I've always

578
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: done it myself. I opened up a gym me and

579
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Speaker 1: my husband did together. Then I opened up a CBD

580
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Speaker 1: THHC business. We've had that for six years. I now

581
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Speaker 1: have a podcast on I Heart So with Teddy and

582
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: so I'm just always look like, what what can I

583
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Speaker 1: do next? What can I do next?

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Speaker 2: So do you think like when you said the person

585
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Speaker 2: asks you like, how do you pick yourself up? Like

586
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: do Like I do a thing at night where when

587
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Speaker 2: I put my head on the pillow, I think about

588
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: what I was grateful for that day. So even if

589
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Speaker 2: I've had like the worst day with the most complicated,

590
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Speaker 2: difficult feelings and situations, I can still lay there and

591
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Speaker 2: go had I got to look at that beautiful yellow

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Speaker 2: tree at the bottom of my driveway that turns colors

593
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Speaker 2: every October, and that made me really happy, Like and

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Speaker 2: I feel like that is just a minuscule tool, but

595
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Speaker 2: it like counts for something.

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Speaker 1: It is a good tool.

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Speaker 2: Is there something like that that you or bigger than

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Speaker 2: that or that you do?

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Speaker 1: I mean, my night time routine is I just thank

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Speaker 1: Jesus for another day. H just thank you for another day.

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Speaker 1: And when I know things are really really hard and tough,

602
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: because there is a lot of stress that comes along

603
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: with this show, a lot of stress to the point

604
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Speaker 1: where I'm like, is this going to make me sick

605
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Speaker 1: one day?

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Speaker 2: You know?

607
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: And so it's hard and my husband's always you know,

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Speaker 1: I work out a lot.

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Speaker 2: Does that help? I think I'm a big one on

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Speaker 2: the exercise.

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Speaker 1: Exercise, Yeah, I don't for the ice back. No sauna

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Speaker 1: more of a sauna. Yes, we have a son at

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Speaker 1: home or for reds on it and I will sit

614
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Speaker 1: in there for forty five minutes and sweat my butt off.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, but I'm not But in a honesty, I'm

616
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Speaker 1: not good at stress because I was raised where you

617
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: just sweep everything under the rug and you don't deal

618
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Speaker 1: with things. You just move on, and so I will explode.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I started therapy, is because I need

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Speaker 1: to learn how to process the things that I'm going through.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when something comes to me, to address

622
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Speaker 1: it then instead of being like six months later and

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Speaker 1: you did this to me when it really doesn't matter anymore.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Sitting across from Tamra Judge is so fun and surreal

626
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Speaker 4: for me.

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Speaker 2: I am such a.

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Speaker 4: Big Bravo fan and I love how much you love

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Speaker 4: Desperate Housewives. Also, there is so much more to come

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Speaker 4: in our next episode. Tamra continues to hang out with

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Speaker 4: us and shares her own opinions about episode sixteen

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Speaker 1: Ladies who Lunch And remember, if you click subscribe now,

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