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Speaker 6: Welcome to Pond Meets World.

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Speaker 2: I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

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Speaker 5: So here we are again at the end of another

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Speaker 5: As always, we have invited TJ and Siege from our

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Speaker 7: But at the time, it was just like, no, Quoreyan

442
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 7: Tapanga are the rawsome rachel for me as a kid,

443
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 7: and so seeing them get together was.

444
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 4: A big deal.

445
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of that has to do

446
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 5: with the age you are when you're watching it, when

447
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 5: you think about and you can truly remember, writers should

448
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 5: be able to remember it more than anybody, how very

449
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 5: real and overwhelming your emotions are for a person you're

450
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 5: in a relationship with. Even if you are thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

451
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 5: and now in our forties or thirties, you can look

452
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 5: back and say, Wow, I had no idea I was

453
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 5: a kid.

454
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 6: What could I have What could it have possibly meant?

455
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 6: But it's so real, and.

456
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 5: It's one of the reasons why it's so important not

457
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 5: to discount the feelings of children, because for them it

458
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 5: is absolutely life or death. It means everything in those moments,

459
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 5: And so I can bring myself back to being a teenager,

460
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 5: and I would have absolutely been rooting for Corey and

461
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 5: Tapanga just to see teenagers who love each other winning

462
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 5: and it being taken seriously. It is everyone's telling you

463
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 5: when you're a teenager, you don't know what love is,

464
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 5: and you just want someone to say, maybe you do,

465
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 5: Maybe this is real, Maybe you're right and this is

466
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 5: forever and we're wrong.

467
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 6: That's all you want to hear as a teenager.

468
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 5: So watching it and seeing them win, I can imagine

469
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 5: it was a big victory for teens everywhere.

470
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the key there is is that

471
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: it was live right, like this idea that we didn't know.

472
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we kind of knew there was

473
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: probably gonna be another season, but what the I mean,

474
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 3: I think part of the reason that we were harsh

475
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 3: on the episode, or at least I was, is that

476
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, we know what's coming, which is that once

477
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: you've set the stakes this high, once this these teenagers

478
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: have said, we're going to convince all the adults and

479
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: we're going to win against all the odds. Yeah, it's

480
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: you know, then the next next season you got to

481
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 3: end with marriage, and then you got to have the marriage,

482
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: and then you know, you just got to keep up

483
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: being the sort of in order for there to be conflict,

484
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: in order for there to be story. But if you

485
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: erase all that and you just think in terms of

486
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: like living on the edge of week to week, Yeah,

487
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: it's a win, you know, and it's super It must

488
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: have been super satisfying and feel like, oh my god,

489
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: they're actually going to do it. The show is going

490
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: to go there, you know, and like we talked about it,

491
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 3: that's a huge swing yeah, And I think for some

492
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 3: people it's like that was the swing that hooked them

493
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 3: into the show, and that will forever be the memory

494
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 3: of like why why Boy Meets World exists. It's just

495
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 3: like it's so interesting that the Corey into Panga stored.

496
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: Like if anybody, if you ask anybody, what is Boy

497
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: Meets World about? Corey Intopang is probably the first thing

498
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 3: out of their mouth, if not the second thing. And

499
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: yet watching season four, especially with the way this season ended,

500
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: you know what I came away with was like, Wow,

501
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: this was this was the Eric and Shawn season besides

502
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: Long Walk to Pittsburgh, Corey Corey's strugg is not struggling

503
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: as much like he struggles with the Topanga. But like,

504
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: compared to when you think about season one, which was

505
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: all Corey all the time, every episode was driven by

506
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 3: Corey's meandering or mistakes, this season is you know, very

507
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: much focused on basically alternating Will and Ryder episodes where

508
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: we're watching these characters and Corey is supportive or sort

509
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: of interrogating our arcs, but it's our arcs that are

510
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: driving this season, and that's forgotten. You know, It's so funny.

511
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: I didn't remember I'm watching going wow, from episode episode

512
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: it's it's Will or it's me, and then like, yeah,

513
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: the end of the season with like basically Eric coming

514
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: around to gonna do the sat He's gonna go to college,

515
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 3: and like from where he started, which was you know,

516
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: the yogurt cup episode, that's like, that's the arc. I mean,

517
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 3: that's the structuring device of the whole season. And yet

518
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: you know what we remember of Boybe's world is Corey

519
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: to Bank, which.

520
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: Is interesting because it also that when it does, it

521
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: is alternating between you and me.

522
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: It leads to my favorite corries of all time.

523
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean that Corey is just that Corey who comes

524
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 1: in and is in between us and looking back and

525
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: forth and has the zingers and is kind of the

526
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: neurotic Cory.

527
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: I could watch that Cory forever.

528
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Ben was so good in season four and it was

529
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: just a great He wasn't too whiny, and he wasn't

530
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: too needy and he was he was just really funny

531
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: and neurotic and my god that he would have He

532
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: had me laughing out loud like most of this season.

533
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was my favorite.

534
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 7: Like what one of the things I love about Corey

535
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 7: is the season, he kind of plays the role of

536
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 7: like peacekeeper more than he does like trying to understand

537
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 7: the world around him. He's not other confusion. He's like, Oh,

538
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 7: I'm going to walk across this highway and talk to

539
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 7: your mom, not because it benefits me, but because it

540
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 7: benefits you. Like he's really trying to help the people

541
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 7: around him more like with Frankie and his dad, Like

542
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 7: he's trying to help people more than he's trying to

543
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 7: understand his own confusion, which I think leads to his

544
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 7: better moments.

545
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

546
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a version of Corey by the way, Yeah right,

547
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 4: because this is this is like some of the best

548
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: Corey that we get, and that's one of the reasons

549
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 4: why we absolutely love it. And Will you said something

550
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 4: that Tony and I were totally excited to talk to

551
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: you guys about, which is that the boy in Boy

552
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 4: Meets World this season constantly is shifted. We get so

553
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: much more world expansion in terms of the families and

554
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 4: where Eric is going in life, the idea that Eric

555
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: is great with kids. These are all things that we

556
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: really love. And I think when you look at all

557
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 4: of that and then you go back to the Korean

558
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: tapanga of it all, it becomes murky because while we

559
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: want to champion Corey and Tapinga's love, we also know

560
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 4: that something I'm just gonna say, Corey is like an

561
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: habitual cheater, Like like Corey wants the lots to Panga down,

562
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: but constantly the moment he has her is like looking elsewhere.

563
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: So I feel like that, yeah, get.

564
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: The last notation of Corey set that up in what

565
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: season two? Right?

566
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: Exactly?

567
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: Yeah?

568
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 7: And then even in this season, like Long Walk to

569
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh happens, and a few weeks later he's debating if

570
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 7: he wants to sleep with Mary Beth out of college,

571
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 7: Like it really took no time at all, right, I know.

572
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 5: I mean even in the Long Walk to Pittsburgh, although

573
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 5: he is preoccupied with thinking about Tapanga, he's still like

574
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 5: agreed to a double date at his house.

575
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 6: With Sparrow sisters, with the Sparrow sisters, and.

576
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: And then but then says to Tapanga, like you went

577
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: to a dance.

578
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was like wait, whoa, Like did you

579
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: did you remove the woman from your life? App so

580
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: you could speak to Tapanga about whether she went to

581
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: a dance or not, Like yeah.

582
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 7: So as you watch it, you really understand that Corey

583
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 7: likes the idea of Topanga more than he likes Topanga,

584
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 7: and so that's a little heartbreaking as you kind of

585
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 7: go through as a thirty something. Now looking back on it,

586
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, this is a manic pixie dream girl things.

587
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's also a little bit of like, you know,

588
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 5: when you think of the speech he gives in the

589
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 5: Long Walk to Pittsburgh where he's like, you know, this

590
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 5: love is about the fact that she makes me better.

591
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they're really.

592
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: Good for me. She's me for her.

593
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 5: I like the way she makes me feel because she

594
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 5: loves me. And there's it's not really quite so much.

595
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 5: It is definitely hard for me to see this the

596
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 5: Corey and Topanga storyline without very much also feeling like

597
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 5: I'm I'm way too close to the mindset of the

598
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: men who wrote the relationship.

599
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: I understand that, you know, And.

600
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 5: So it's like it's one of those things where when

601
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 5: I see the relationship and I see those things, I'm

602
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 5: very pointed to exactly what you guys were talking about

603
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 5: at the very beginning of this episode, which is this

604
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 5: is a singular POV. Yes, the Corey Topanga relationship is

605
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 5: a singular POV. That tells you a lot about that

606
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 5: POV from and where it was coming from, and the

607
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: way that POV views women and views relationships, and so

608
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's good to acknowledge and and then

609
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: you just move on and try.

610
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 6: To enjoy the show.

611
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 7: It's so funny that you said that, because I remember

612
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 7: when we did our season one recap, we were like, hey,

613
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 7: we're not really a fan of the way they write

614
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 7: women on the show, and you guys were like, oh really,

615
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 7: And now that you're four seasons in and we've seen Lonnie,

616
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 7: we've seen Jennifer and the Fair to forg or Mary

617
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 7: Beth and Learning to Fly or even Amiens Payga stories

618
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 7: and how they fleshed out, what do you think now

619
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 7: of how the women have been betrayed? And I know

620
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 7: you were Daniel always has the best women are men. Yeah,

621
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 7: that seems to be I think.

622
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: I think Lannie was a deep, well thought out.

623
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: Just what they're kind of but also show her bell.

624
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very And it's just it's funny because

625
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: you think of, uh, when when I started or when

626
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: we started out to speak myself, when I started really

627
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: really noticing at first you I think of it character wise,

628
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, these characters aren't flushed out and

629
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: they're they're very one dimensional. But then the older I'm

630
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: getting in, the more i'm watching, I'm thinking more of

631
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: the actors, and it's like, you're given nothing, and a

632
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: lot of these women came in and killed their performances

633
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: with not a whole lot to work work with. Sure,

634
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: so that from an acting standpoint, it's even more impressive

635
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: because it's like, Wow, you're your one note. You're gonna

636
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: make it for because you're good at what you do,

637
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: but they're really.

638
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Giving you nothing to work with.

639
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was that's what changed for me, was

640
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: thinking about more about the the actors that came in

641
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: and with just nothing to work with.

642
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that I think that there is you know,

643
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: especially with like Amy Antipanga. I mean, there is this

644
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: understanding that that that women are are potentially nuanced and

645
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: multi layered, but the perspective of the show is definitely

646
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: on on the outside of them. You know, they're they're

647
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: a force to be reckoned with. They're not actually driving

648
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: the story. They're they're either contended against or brought into

649
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: the fold, but they're not the show itself feels, you know,

650
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: it's just very it's very male driven, like it's just

651
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: a guy's perspective, especially a teenage boy's perspective. And yeah,

652
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: that's you know, I think.

653
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: That that's what they're going for.

654
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was called it's called Boy Meets World,

655
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: So I mean that's what they were going for. But

656
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: when as as we were talking about, though, once the

657
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: show expands, which it is, especially in season four, why

658
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: not expand that too exactly? And it doesn't seem that

659
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: they did it all.

660
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: No, I mean, because you think about even like the

661
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: you know, I'm blanking on the character's name, but when

662
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: you date the woman with a child, you know, she

663
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: she does seem complicated?

664
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: She she won don't they do a couple? They did

665
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: a couple in this scene this season was what was

666
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: Brittany Powell. Britney Powell's character, and I.

667
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: Think, you know, like she's actually a good actor and

668
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: it's great, it's a but all of her sort of

669
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: nuances off off off screen, you know, like we know

670
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: that this person has a complicated life with a kid

671
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: and a babysitter and all, you know, and it's hard

672
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: for her. And so there's like nods towards it, But

673
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: it's all about how Eric's going to relate to that,

674
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: you know, that's the whole point of the show. And

675
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: and so she's never really you know, she is. She

676
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: is a complicated character. We're just not part of that complication.

677
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: It's just pushed aside.

678
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting you say that, though, because I thought

679
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 5: of her as well, and I thought it added a

680
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 5: new type of woman, which is the woman you feel

681
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: sympathy for.

682
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: The woman who.

683
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: Right, the woman, the woman who.

684
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 5: Needs protection, the woman who has a complicated life that

685
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 5: you know, I I do like her. She sure is cool,

686
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: but I can't have that life. That life would be

687
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 5: bad for me. It's even hard for her. That's that's

688
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 5: the extent of.

689
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: And she's gonna let Eric out of it.

690
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: Like the Madonna horror complex. It's a little bit better,

691
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: but it's still kind of sure.

692
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And and you know we see it then in

693
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 5: the in a lot of ways with the Long Walk

694
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 5: to Pittsburgh, where the other type of woman that we've

695
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: discussed a few times is like the woman who you know,

696
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 5: commands a situation is either a nag or.

697
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 6: Is gonna is gonna Hey, you have to listen to.

698
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: Me, and there's a little bit of like a, well,

699
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not afraid of her physically, although because.

700
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 6: We love that. We love it when a woman can

701
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 6: beat us up, so we're not scared.

702
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 7: We love it.

703
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 5: But I'm scared of her because she's the person I'm

704
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 5: intimate with, and so therefore I'm going to listen to

705
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 5: her perspective, like there's it's just yeah.

706
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 7: Well, Danielle, you know, even Tapega's character, Like, there were

707
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 7: so many times in season four that I remember thinking, oh,

708
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 7: this is a big Topanga episode with like the sixteen

709
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 7: candles thing, and then she's like hardly in it. Like

710
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 7: watching season like four seasons, do you feel like your

711
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 7: memory of Tapanga matches up to the reality of Tapanga?

712
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 6: No?

713
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: No.

714
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 6: I was shocked.

715
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: I remembered the episode with the wrestling and it was

716
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 5: Tapega's sixteenth birthday, and yet I knew I couldn't really remember, well,

717
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 5: what happens at Tapanga's birthday party?

718
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 6: What is does? How does Topanga feel about her birthday?

719
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 6: I didn't.

720
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't remember any of that stuff.

721
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 5: But I'm used to having a bad memory, So what

722
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 5: I'm realizing is I actually don't have a bad memory.

723
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 5: I just don't have many memories because it wasn't there exactly.

724
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 6: I wasn't there as much.

725
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: But Hair Today, Goon Tomorrow is a really good Panga

726
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: episode that.

727
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 6: Is maybe my favorite episode of the season.

728
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: It's a really great that the fact that you drive

729
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: the story, your perspective and your feelings are really showcased,

730
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 3: and you have an arc, you know, and it's a

731
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: great It's great because you come in like a sort

732
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: of typical boy meets world character with like let me

733
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 3: teach you a lesson, Corey, and then it flips on you.

734
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: And that was a great opportunity, you know, I wish,

735
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: I wish the word.

736
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 7: I was going to use.

737
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: It's such an opportunity because they're starting to show to

738
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: Pega and Shan together and maybe, yeah, there's a history there,

739
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: and there's a history between all of them and they're

740
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: like a crew, and it was like, oh, we're starting

741
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: it now. Now to Pegas started, she's part of the show.

742
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: Now she's part of this crew. She's going to be

743
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: part of the capers. And then it's like and then nothing, well.

744
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 3: Then like air B and b B and b's where

745
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: it's just like put her in a French you know,

746
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 3: and she'll just like sell out in a heartbeat, and

747
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: then it's it's a joke. It's a it's a one

748
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 3: off joke, and it's like, oh, is that the Tapanga

749
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: here today?

750
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 5: Goon tomorrow is also made my favorite Corey and Tapanga

751
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 5: episode of them all. I feel like they are such

752
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: a team, and they are so supportive of each other,

753
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 5: and they're so good at expressing what they love about

754
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 5: the other one. It just like that episode was like, Wow,

755
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: even if we just got little nuggets of that in

756
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 5: every episode, that would have been great. It would have

757
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: really helped solidify why they love each other. I'm grateful

758
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 5: we got that episode. I love that episode.

759
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then coupled with a great Beast story. So

760
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: that's a solid episode just all the way around. Plus

761
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: plus solid episode all the way around.

762
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 7: Yeah.

763
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 4: Great. Something that you guys mentioned that I thought was

764
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: really important is that this season and Body Throat as

765
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: a whole, as we start to look at it just

766
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: kind of shows into like, sorry, it doesn't show. It

767
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: tells us so much without showing. And I really had

768
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 4: a problem that, specifically with the female characters because I

769
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: think of the Security Guy episode when Eric is just

770
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: like disrespectful to Amy and it's like, I don't work

771
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: for you, I work for my dad. And then Alan

772
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 4: and Eric come to the conclusion that Amy is deserving

773
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 4: and was right, but they don't say it in front

774
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 4: of Amy. And that's my thing. It's like, if we

775
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: are taking this time and we are speaking to men

776
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: and we want men to learn lessons or boys, then

777
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 4: we should be teaching them lessons on how to treat

778
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: women in general, and that includes if you're gonna say

779
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: that woman had a valid opinion, say that in front

780
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: of the woman as well.

781
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, right, agreed.

782
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: Okay, As we said earlier, we love this show.

783
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: We did, we didn't you.

784
00:37:50,400 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 8: Susan Zora was great.

785
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: So I want to talk about Quiz Show a little

786
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 4: bit because that's an episode where we have Corey, Seawan,

787
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: and Tapanga, the three of them were coming together. However,

788
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 4: you talked about the idea in Quiz Show of we

789
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 4: disagreed or sorry, I think you all disagreed on whether

790
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: or not Feenie or the episode had a point in

791
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: terms of pop culture versus like arts and sciences and

792
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: what is like real knowledge. And it was funny to

793
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: me because when we talked about that episode, we talked

794
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: about the facts that nerds are like running culture now,

795
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: like there's a way to blend both. I was like,

796
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 4: you can ask anyone on Reddit and they will tell

797
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: you the weight and density of Captain America's shield, So

798
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: like there is a way of like blending both that

799
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: we could have brought in some of those I think

800
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: it's more of a discussion about substance versus spectacle. And

801
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 4: also really wanted to get your guys take on like

802
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: media literacy. We know that media literacy and the ability

803
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 4: to like critique art is kind of dwindling, so again

804
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: that I just wanted to like bring that up big subject.

805
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 4: By the way, I had.

806
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 5: No idea Quiz Show was such a polarizing episode. There

807
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: are a whole faction of people who say, it's my

808
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 5: favorite episode, I love this one really yeah, and then

809
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 5: there are a whole bunch of people who are like,

810
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 5: skip it, don't like it, hate this episode, worst of

811
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 5: the season. It's it's very it's very polarizing. I did

812
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 5: not I did not realize it. I would for me,

813
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 5: it did not fall so strongly on either way. I

814
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 5: enjoyed it way more than I thought I was going to.

815
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 5: But I wouldn't put it in like in my favorites

816
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 5: of the season. But it also to me wasn't the

817
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: worst of the season. Sure, so I didn't quite just

818
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 5: the one.

819
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Where you changed my mind. I think this is, yeah,

820
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: where you change that.

821
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: I did not like it at the beginning. By the end,

822
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're making some good points.

823
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 7: You're making it.

824
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I thought you did have a good point.

825
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: I thought your whole point was why, like why can't

826
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: there be like mindless television or you know, like the

827
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: things in pop culture. As we said all the time

828
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: with X Men, it's like, no that has value that

829
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: can get children into science and art and kind of

830
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: like we do.

831
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 7: It all the time with this show, miss All Turner

832
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 7: get them into myth with an X Men exactly.

833
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the point, is I thought.

834
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: And again it's as a television junkie there, I'm okay

835
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: with going in knowing it.

836
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: I think what they were trying.

837
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: To do is essentially say that when it came to

838
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: a quote unquote television program that just dealt with intelligence

839
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: and facts and bastardizing that to turn that into something

840
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: different as opposed to just spinning off a whole new

841
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: show with Corey Tapanga and Sean and I, to me,

842
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: it fell a little flat, like that's it's funny because

843
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: I went and I watched Quiz Show. I think immediately

844
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: after Yeah, we watched this episode, I went and went

845
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: watched a movie again, and that the whole idea of

846
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: the Quiz Show scandal was about cheating.

847
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they weren't cheating.

848
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: They were It was like they were just being get

849
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, given pop culture references, which the nerds, of

850
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: course aren't going to know that Captain America shield is

851
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: made of vibranium, but Sean is going to.

852
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: But that doesn't make one of them smarter than the other.

853
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: They're just talking about you.

854
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Know, if you sit me down and you talk about math,

855
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come off as the biggest idiot you've ever

856
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: met in your life if you talk, if you sit

857
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: there and you talk to me about Brandon Sanderson books,

858
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look like a genius.

859
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: So it was strange with that episode for me.

860
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: You know, what's occurring to me about just while we're

861
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 3: talking about it is that the difference between the media

862
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: landscape then and now. And like, really what our writers

863
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: were writing about is power and responsibility. And I think

864
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: it's easier like nowadays there is less divide between content

865
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 3: creators or storytellers and their audience. Right, Like, you can

866
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: be a content cred You can be a storyteller and

867
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 3: publish it right now, right you just need a mic,

868
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: need a computer, and you get. But back then, in

869
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: the nine d if you were in any position to

870
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: create a television show, to create content, you were given

871
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: a lot of power. And that is sort of gone nowadays, right,

872
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: Like that's just not a thing we think about. But

873
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: back then, I think our writers were wrestling with this

874
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: sense of responsibility, you know, the sort of you know,

875
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: to be very spider manny about it. You know, with

876
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: great power comes great responsibility. And I think that's what

877
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: they were really, It's it's really a group of a

878
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: group of creatives struggling with, you know, this question of

879
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: like what do we do with this power? Like do

880
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: we just entertain? Do we just create a show like

881
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: where we're sliming kids and whatever, you know, just jokes,

882
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: and or do we insert you know, insert education? Do

883
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 3: we try and feenie it up, and obviously our writers

884
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: fell on the side of feenie it up. And I

885
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: think that that's good, right, Like, and I think nowadays

886
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: it's less of an issue because now there's so many

887
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: different ways to go and like, so I think, I think, Will,

888
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: I think your point is well taken in today's landscape.

889
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: But back then I would have probably pushed back a

890
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 3: little harder and say, no, you actually do have a responsibility.

891
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: And I think that it's easier to see in the

892
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: realm of like news, which I think we talked about

893
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: in the when we did the episode, which is like,

894
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: you know, uh, there's like this is an argument for

895
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 3: u NPR, right, a nationally funded uh you know, tax

896
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: dollar funded news source, because the idea there is that

897
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: it's not the bottom line is not try and get

898
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: as much money as possible by appealing to advertisers, but

899
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: instead to have a source of just information to that

900
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: to that the neutrality is the goal, and that it's

901
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: actually built into the structure of the content itself. Right.

902
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: And I think if you go all the way back

903
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: to like Quiz Show the movie, it was even more

904
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: important then because you only had three networks and it

905
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: was right those networks were being broadcast in the air

906
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: and that was the only source people had for and

907
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: so there was more of a sense of responsibility. Yeah,

908
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: that's kind of gone now, right, Like so now we're

909
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: in this complete free for all, and in a weird way,

910
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 3: maybe it is more important, but the pressure is definitely off.

911
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 5: I also think our writers were if we think about

912
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: other things that were very successful at the time, and

913
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 5: I think back to the other episode we did in

914
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 5: I don't remember which season it was, but where you

915
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 5: guys had where Corey and Sean had the radio show

916
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 5: and they brought in girls and it was very salacious.

917
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 5: I think there was a major commentary on shock Jock

918
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 5: Nature where Howard Stern and those kinds of things where

919
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 5: it was like, oh the ratings that, oh the numbers

920
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 5: they're making millions, the people tuning in, like you said,

921
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 5: a spectacle. But we had to get that message of

922
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 5: anyone can do that, that's the lowest common denominator. We

923
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 5: had to do that within the confines of a family

924
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 5: slash kids show. So it became about pop culture mindless TV.

925
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 5: When I really think what they were and what they

926
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 5: tried to hint to with us being you know, oh

927
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 5: hair and I'm the queen, and look how cute Sean

928
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 5: is with his poudy lips. They were getting to a

929
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 5: thing of a little bit of salaciousness, sing out, selling out,

930
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 5: not about the straightforward kind of it's okay to just

931
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 5: have a fun TV show. I think it was a

932
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 5: bigger commentary, but they had to do it within the

933
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 5: confines of a family and kids show, and it then,

934
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 5: you know, pop being a pop culture nerd took the

935
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 5: fall for salacious shock jock.

936
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: It sounds like we could have used the media teacher

937
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: the time.

938
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 6: I wonder where we would have had one of those.

939
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 3: Great character to insert into the quiz show episode, right,

940
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: like if he was the one sort of on the set,

941
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: like who would arranged this a job at the show?

942
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 3: Like that would have been great.

943
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: And you've got you got Minkus there as well as

944
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: one of the nerd I mean, come on, it's yeah

945
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: to that point.

946
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 4: What we just talked about is like this balance and

947
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: this need to have a substance as we go, like

948
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 4: all agreed on you guys this episode have a lot

949
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 4: of very special episodes. And I was going to say,

950
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: for me, I don't feel like we do things like

951
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: Dangerous Secret or cult fiction as much as we used to,

952
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 4: And is there something lost in not having those very

953
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: special episodes in kids at least in live television. I

954
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: believe they do it in animation a lot. I know

955
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: that there was like a really big deal a few

956
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 4: weeks ago on blue Yeah, everyone tell me about Bluey.

957
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: But like in live action, I don't think we do

958
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 4: these very special episodes in the way that we used

959
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 4: to do. You, as people who work in children's television,

960
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 4: do you feel like we're losing something by not having that?

961
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: Yes, I am solutely do, and I know that they're

962
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 5: Like I worked on Sydney to the Max and that

963
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 5: show was so grounded and so great and so real,

964
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: and they did do a couple episodes that were very special,

965
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 5: but they did a very good job, similar to a

966
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 5: Boy Meets World, where you didn't feel the entire time

967
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 5: like what am I watching?

968
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 6: There were still there were still laughs.

969
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 5: Like we talked about what a stellar job Dangerous Secret

970
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 5: did of having such a serious topic and yet complimented

971
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 5: so well by laugh out loud moments, And I feel

972
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 5: like Sidney to the Max did that. But I know

973
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 5: that on a lot of the other shows I work on.

974
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 5: You are in the room for pitching one of those things,

975
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 5: and the thing you hear is, I don't know, it

976
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 5: sounds so sad, And there's a real wanting to shy

977
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 5: away from that, like a real wanting to end. Part

978
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 5: of it is also our to give them credit. We

979
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 5: are so interconnected, for better or worse, with everything that's

980
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 5: going on in the world that we are aware of

981
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 5: so many sad things that are going on. TV has

982
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 5: become even more so in escape from real life.

983
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 6: So there's a little bit of like, do we not

984
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 6: have enough sad? Have you?

985
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 5: Have you been anywhere? Have you talked to anybody recently?

986
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 5: We have enough sad. Let's give somebody something else to

987
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 5: pay attention to. And I understand that as well, But

988
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 5: I love the TV shows where we actually walk away

989
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 5: with a great message.

990
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: But is TV unfortunately now is not just not just now,

991
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: but for a while, has leaned into the sad everywhere.

992
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: That's why, I mean, the family sitcom is gone. You

993
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: don't get to turn on Home Improvement anymore. You don't

994
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: get to turn on any of these shows, and it's

995
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: just it sucks that we don't have more of the

996
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: Fun Friends Seinfeld. You know, the modern versions of these

997
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: shows I think would kill and they just they're gone.

998
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's terrible.

999
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 7: Well, particularly with children's television, I feel like watching your

1000
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 7: favorite characters, watching Sean dealing with something intense, watching Eric's

1001
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 7: struggle with not getting to college, like all of those

1002
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 7: things I think help children to process those emotions that

1003
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 7: they might be feeling in their individual lives because they're

1004
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 7: watching their favorite characters do it like they're able to

1005
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 7: see it, so it's able to pay a new reality

1006
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 7: for them of how to process it, which nowadays, when

1007
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 7: you're constantly just making it about the jokes, it kind

1008
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 7: of almost feels like there's no space for a child

1009
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 7: to express their emotions that happen to be sad.

1010
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: There's also a huge power in knowing you're not alone. Yes,

1011
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: so when you see somebody else going through what you're

1012
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: going through, it's amazingly empowering to know that you're not

1013
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: on an island by yourself.

1014
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I think that is the point, Like that's

1015
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: where we've really lost I don't think special episodes work

1016
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: in today's environment anymore because we were no longer a

1017
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: captive audience right like it was back then, we were

1018
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: the show on Friday night. You were watching it. It

1019
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: was what your family did, and we could take this

1020
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: sort of plunge into drama and you had to sit there.

1021
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: That was it for the episode, whether you liked it

1022
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: or not. And that was I think that was great.

1023
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: But now, yeah, I think they'll just change the channel.

1024
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: They'll just find their content somewhere else. It's all available

1025
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 3: all the time, so those episodes would just drop off.

1026
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: So it's harder. But I do think to your point,

1027
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: will just representation. Just find a story to talk about abuse,

1028
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: like it doesn't have to be a special episode, but

1029
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: maybe just have a character who's poor, or character whose

1030
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: parents are getting the divorce or whatever whatever issue or

1031
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: drugs or whatever the issue is. I think it's harder

1032
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: to write to, but it should be being written to.

1033
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: I definitely think.

1034
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: But I don't think.

1035
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: I don't think that you can get away with a

1036
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 3: very special episode the way point that is a bye

1037
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: that's of a bygone.

1038
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 5: Aeron Lopez versus Lopez did some great episodes at the

1039
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 5: end of season two that dealt with alcohol addiction that

1040
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 5: you know, and so there are shows doing it and

1041
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 5: doing it well and you're right, right, or they don't

1042
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 5: have the same like, but this is a very special one.

1043
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 5: It's just in part of the storyline, this character has

1044
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: a drinking problem, and this character has now broken their sobriety,

1045
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 5: and what are the repercussions of that? What are the

1046
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 5: consequences of that? So it is it is definitely being done.

1047
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but one of the reasons I never

1048
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: took pills, no joke, is because of Alex Keaton on

1049
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: Family Ties. I mean watching that growing up was like

1050
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: it affected me to where I never took pills.

1051
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: I know that has something to do with it.

1052
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: Just that moment in my life of watching what my

1053
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: favorite character on television was going through and I never

1054
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: did it.

1055
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: So it meant stuff like that matters, It really does.

1056
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 2: It makes an impact.

1057
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 4: Jesse Spano, I'm so excited, Like with both of the

1058
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 4: Caffie pills and stuff like that. I also think of

1059
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 4: like an episode of like Wheels where we get like

1060
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 4: to pake It'll be like sometimes you just want to

1061
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 4: get in the car and go ahuga and then but

1062
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 4: also we get the heart at the end of it.

1063
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: So I just feel like there is a way to

1064
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 4: have ballads all one or the other.

1065
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 7: I agree, and classic season four tradition. You guys kind

1066
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 7: of had your own very special episode with two nineteen

1067
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 7: twenty four. It's the episode that was came out right

1068
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 7: before the Quiet on Set documentary that has now been released.

1069
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 7: Everyone's watched it. You guys have watched it. Do you

1070
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 7: guys have any follow up thoughts on that, any like

1071
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 7: updates on anything that you know? Have you know, how

1072
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 7: you've processed things since watching it?

1073
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 4: What was that like for you?

1074
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: Still processing? Still massive, still massively processed. It's going to

1075
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: be and this is not it's it's certainly not going

1076
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: to be an easy thing to talk about. It's going

1077
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: to be lifelong processing.

1078
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 7: For me.

1079
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: I knew I had been lied to and manipulated by

1080
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: Brian essentially from the courtroom, but you didn't know how

1081
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: much until you saw the documentary, and then I really

1082
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: didn't know how much until I spoke with Drake. So

1083
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: talking to Drake was amazing for a number of reasons.

1084
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: It was horror for a number of reasons.

1085
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 7: It was.

1086
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: Healing for a number of reasons.

1087
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: He started the conversation by saying to me, before you

1088
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: say a word, I want you to know I love

1089
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: you and I forgive you. That's how the entire conversation started.

1090
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 5: And I don't I don't want to cut you off,

1091
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 5: but I do think it's important because you know, we

1092
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 5: did not we did not know who the victim was

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00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 5: until the documentary aired. Will who had been in the courtroom,

1094
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 5: had never seen Drake on a TV show When he

1095
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 5: was in the courtroom. His name was never said in

1096
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 5: the courtroom. He was John Doe or whatever they used.

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00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: Well, Dake and I talked about this because this.

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00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 6: Was I don't think our listeners know that.

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00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 4: Thank you for that clarity, because again from observer, especially

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00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 4: when you listen to the to nineteen twenty four episode

1101
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 4: and then you watch it, it does kind of paint

1102
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 4: the picture that you were in there, you saw him,

1103
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: you have a familiarity with him. No.

1104
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 2: I was in there and I saw him, but I didn't.

1105
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: I didn't agree that. When when the trailer dropped for

1106
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: the doc we were frantically texting each other being like,

1107
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: oh my god, there's another it was and we thought

1108
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: it was another victim he did. It was like, great, No,

1109
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: it wasn't. I don't know it was. It was.

1110
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the back of the courtroom. There's no

1111
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: social media.

1112
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: I am twenty six years old at the time. I

1113
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: don't watch Nickelodeon. I don't know who Drake Bell is.

1114
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: I see a kid walk into the courtroom and I'm like, okay,

1115
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: I've been lied to.

1116
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: Automatically, I know this.

1117
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 3: Right, because that was the age, was the factor.

1118
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: This is what the hell is going on?

1119
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brian had told the people, he told about it.

1120
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 6: He was almost eighteen.

1121
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: Half a decade.

1122
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: One thing happened one time, and so ten years later

1123
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: Drake and I worked together, and it was a decade

1124
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: later we worked together and he walked into Spider Man

1125
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't know who he was, and he didn't

1126
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: know that I was there. He because we talked about this,

1127
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: he said, no, I didn't in the courtroom, he goes,

1128
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were there, and we both talked

1129
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: about how happy we were that that was the case,

1130
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: because we had the best day working together. All I

1131
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: wanted to do from the day in that courtroom was

1132
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: apologized to whoever was there. And the idea that I

1133
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: found out later that he was standing in front of

1134
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: me and I did not have that was nuts and

1135
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: Drake literally spent a good forty five minutes of our

1136
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: conversation trying to make me feel better about.

1137
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 4: What had happened.

1138
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way it was with me too.

1139
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: And then you change your exchanging stories about Brian and

1140
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: he's telling you what actually happened, and the knife in

1141
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: my gut and I mean the knife and Rider and

1142
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: I've spoken about this at nauseum was exactly what we

1143
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: feared happened happened. Where Drake said, I loved you guys,

1144
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: I loved Boymet's world.

1145
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: I loved him possible. And that's what Brian told me was,

1146
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: look who I get to work with. I'm working Oh, I.

1147
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: Know all the these are my best friends.

1148
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: These are my friends I help with their careers. I

1149
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 2: bought so he used our names the way that he

1150
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: used the names of the other famous people with us

1151
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 2: to get this poor.

1152
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 6: Kid Uh to feel comfortable with him.

1153
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: There comes a point where you have to look at

1154
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: yourself and go, I I have to be okay to

1155
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: know I made a huge mistake, that I owed this

1156
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: person an enormous apology that it's not gonna be enough.

1157
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend a ton of time apologizing this person,

1158
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: but you have to use that and move on to

1159
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: become a better person yourself.

1160
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, when we recorded the episode,

1161
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: it was you know, all we knew at that point

1162
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: was that there was a documentary coming out and that

1163
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: they were seeking comment from us, and that it was

1164
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 3: gonna talk about Brian. And from the moment we started

1165
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: this podcast, we had brought up like, oh, we're gonna

1166
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 3: have to We're gonna have to address the factcause Brian's

1167
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: on camera and we talk about our guest stars. And

1168
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: we'd always said like, let's do it right, let's talk

1169
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 3: about it, Let's tell the whole story. And then when

1170
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 3: we got you know, when we were contacted, it was

1171
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: sort of like, oh, I guess we we should just

1172
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: do it now, we should just have the conversation. And

1173
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: then the documentary came out. It was just devastating, the

1174
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: you know, the the pain, you know, just hurting for

1175
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: Drake and and just feeling so so full of regret

1176
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: and shame and then just start picking apart the lies

1177
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: and you know, my brother called me immediately. We just

1178
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: sat there on the phone being like oh my god,

1179
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: like what did what did you know? What did you

1180
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: think happened? What did you know? And we're just I

1181
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: just fell into this hole and yeah, I mean, you

1182
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: know I still haven't quite gotten out of it. Well,

1183
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: there's just so much cognitive dissonance that goes into it too,

1184
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: you know when you're when it's somebody that you consider

1185
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: a friend, you know, somebody that you that you loved,

1186
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: you know. I mean I met Brian when I was

1187
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 3: team So this is now when I'm twenty four. He's

1188
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: telling me this story and here's how you can help me.

1189
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: And all you have to do is write this letter

1190
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just this one time thing and

1191
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: it's just awful, and it's like, oh god, you know,

1192
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: and now I can you know. Of course, moral clarity

1193
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: is just something that comes over time and and distance,

1194
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: and you know, there's there's really no excuse. I mean,

1195
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: you know that I accepted Brian's story, that I didn't

1196
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: didn't ask ask the questions or do research or investigate

1197
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: on my own, or just even that I was ever

1198
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: friends with that piece to begin with, you know, I mean,

1199
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: there it was just there was so much denial.

1200
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 2: There was no research to do.

1201
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. I asked the questions. I sat

1202
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: with him. I asked the questions. He had an answer

1203
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: for everything.

1204
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 6: And they were lies.

1205
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: And it's we bought it. I mean, the writer's right,

1206
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: there's no excuse.

1207
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,959
Speaker 1: We bought it, hook line and sinker from this guy

1208
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: who had ingratiated themselves into our lives. And the wolf

1209
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: in sheep's clothing does is they they will keep a

1210
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: pristine group of people where I can put my hand

1211
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: on the Bible right now and raise my other hand

1212
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: and say, I've never seen Brian Peck do anything even

1213
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: slightly inappropriate. And they do that on purpose, because then

1214
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: when they do find the one person or two people,

1215
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: however many people they then abuse, they can look to

1216
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: the other pristine group and say, you know me, have

1217
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: I ever done anything to you? Have I ever been

1218
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: in And that's what he did, is he separated us

1219
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: into these groups.

1220
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: You know, the most disorienting part of watching the documentary,

1221
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 3: you know, besides just this growing horror, it was like

1222
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: this weird you know, just being so impressed with Drake,

1223
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, his courage and his boy yeah, you know,

1224
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: he's such an articulate, smart guy and and think, you know,

1225
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: not only the courage to come forward now and to

1226
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: do this documentary and and to be able to you know,

1227
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: stand up for himself that way, but that he did

1228
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 3: it back then too, you know, that that he took

1229
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: the leap, you know, with support from his family and

1230
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, the people around him to be like, we

1231
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: need to you know, we need to do the right

1232
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 3: thing and and and charge this guy and and and

1233
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: so I mean the feeling the real like beyond the

1234
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 3: personal awfulness and and and shame. It was like I gotta,

1235
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: I gotta find this guy, you know, I have to.

1236
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 3: It was just like we need to. I have to

1237
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 3: connect reach out to Drake and obviously apologize, but also

1238
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: just just hopefully lessen his burden in some way because

1239
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: he had done this courageous thing back then and still

1240
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: doing it now, and to just let him know that

1241
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: it wasn't this wall of people behind Brian knowing what

1242
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: he did and so ordering him still, but it was

1243
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 3: actually this completely misinformed you know. And to his credit,

1244
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 3: the second we actually did get a hold of him,

1245
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 3: it took a little while. It was like, oh, you know,

1246
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: publicists and agents and trying to you know, and then

1247
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 3: finally it was just Instagram, you know, I d M

1248
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 3: him and it took him a little while to see it.

1249
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 3: He was like, yes, call me, and I got on

1250
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: the phone with him and it was just instant connection,

1251
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 3: instant forgiveness. Yeah, yeah, it was just amazing.

1252
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 4: You know, it's really funny. You very often askets you

1253
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 4: did in this season, but you usually ask us if

1254
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 4: you ruined the shows are. One of the things that

1255
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 4: I want to say is you don't. Because the thing

1256
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 4: about this podcast is you give context to behind the

1257
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 4: scenes and how behind the scenes kind of influences what

1258
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 4: we get on screen. And I think conversations like this

1259
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 4: where we get an insider's perspective from child, from child actors,

1260
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 4: from TV show producers and voice actors to be like,

1261
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 4: this is the culture, and this is what's going on,

1262
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 4: and this is what we would like to see different

1263
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 4: so that we can continue to do the things that

1264
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 4: we love.

1265
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, thank I thank you guys, I mean as

1266
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 7: fans like, not only you know, are you guys being

1267
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 7: super open now, but you guys have provided art through

1268
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,959
Speaker 7: episodes like cult fiction or whatever, of how to deal

1269
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 7: with these situations for kids and how to you know,

1270
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 7: maneuver these situations that may happen in real life you

1271
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 7: guys were kind of lucky to be on the show.

1272
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 7: That kind of helped I think the problem more than

1273
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 7: heard it.

1274
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 5: So well, we appreciate you saying that, and thank you

1275
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 5: for you know, we know it's a it was a

1276
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 5: it's a tough subject, and we appreciate you guys not

1277
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 5: shying away from asking us about it, and we appreciate

1278
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 5: you coming here spending your time with us. Again, as always,

1279
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 5: I don't want to end.

1280
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 6: On this note.

1281
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 4: Have your note.

1282
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 6: I want oh you have a quiz?

1283
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 5: Well, I also want to know what were your favorite

1284
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 5: episodes of the season, each of you. If you had

1285
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 5: to pick one, what's your favorite episode?

1286
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 4: Oh, I only get one. I'm gonna cheat. I'm gonna

1287
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 4: say what my favorite episode is, and then I'm gonna

1288
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: tell you an episode that I really enjoyed and that

1289
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 4: was like totally worth it, and that would be my

1290
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 4: favorite would be B and B's. I just I love

1291
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 4: the balance of Corey Topega and Sean being I love

1292
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 4: Sean being street smart, as you said, having a different intelligence.

1293
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 4: I think like Corey playing neurotic is the best version

1294
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 4: of Corey. But then also the fact that we get

1295
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: like the Feenie and Eric Bond and in a way

1296
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 4: that they are literally in Boston, they're in a different town,

1297
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 4: so it really does separate it. And when the bartender

1298
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: says I would call that a friend, he's like, oh,

1299
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 4: we are friends, And as the show goes, we're like

1300
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 4: they are friends and everything we get with them afterwards.

1301
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 4: This makes sense, but also the end is a lesson

1302
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 4: to adults, which is it's never too late, Like even

1303
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 4: Phoenie is like, oh, I didn't miss my chance. So

1304
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 4: that episode just tens across the board for me. And

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Speaker 4: then I actually really enjoy Learning to Fly because I

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Speaker 4: feel like that challenges the characters in such a unique way.

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Speaker 4: How did Eric come in and catch Corey like almost

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Speaker 4: in the act and then being like, hey, you're an adult,

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to tell you what to do, right,

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Speaker 4: But at the exact same time, there's a morning after

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Speaker 4: to this decision, and then having that lesson kind of

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01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 4: echo with Corey being like, hey, there's a morning after

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Speaker 4: of your college decision, so don't just make it and

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Speaker 4: take the easy route. So yeah, that's those are the

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Speaker 4: ones that I really wanted to champion.

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Speaker 7: I think Hair Today good towhere else a perfect episode.

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Speaker 7: I think it's I mean, there's so many of season

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Speaker 7: four that come up in my favorite episodes of all time,

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Speaker 7: but I'll actually give a shout out so you can't

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Speaker 7: go home again. I think that's such a strong season opener.

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Speaker 7: I mean, in terms of like Eric's arc, I think

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Speaker 7: it's such a beautiful opening to it, to the way

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Speaker 7: the season ends where he's like, you know, he starts

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01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 7: the season with you know, where do where do I belong?

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Speaker 4: Where do I fit in?

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Speaker 7: And then at the end of the season he's like,

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Speaker 7: I know what I want and I'm going to work

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Speaker 7: for it. I just think it's a beautiful art.

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Speaker 6: It is for sure.

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Speaker 2: Wait did I hear quiz? I want to hear quiz?

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, Yeah, So we wanted to do just

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Speaker 7: like a quick wrap up quiz where I'm gonna do

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Speaker 7: some rapid fire questions and you guys just it's it's

1334
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 7: it's a this or that we call on our show.

1335
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 7: We called this on the Fence where we just kind

1336
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 7: of do you know, are you on the fence? Do

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01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 7: you want this or that? So just rapid fire as

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Speaker 7: quick as you can, Okay, Corey Intopega Soulmates or missed

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01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 7: the opportunity to date. Other people miss.

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01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 5: The opportunity to miss the opportunity to.

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Speaker 7: Post season four? Are you missing Frankie Moore or Turner more?

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Speaker 2: Turner for sure, Turner Yeah, Tony.

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01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 7: To Pega's best moment cutting her hair and hair today,

1344
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 7: going tomorrow to proof a point, or risking it all

1345
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 7: for love and along walk to Pittsburgh.

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01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: Cutting her hair.

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Speaker 7: What do you prefer Sean joining the mob or joining

1348
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 7: a cult mob mob.

1349
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: Mob?

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Speaker 3: I love the episode, but I love the idea. That

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01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 3: could have been a whole, like three episode arc on

1352
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 3: the criminal Path. It would have been great.

1353
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 7: Preferred alternative timeline Eric the Stepdaddy or Eric the Man

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01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,479
Speaker 7: of Yoa, the mayor of Yogurt Town.

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01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: Stepdaddy, step Daddy, Stepdaddy. Can I be the stepdaddy in

1356
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: yogurt Town? Because that was.

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Speaker 3: Favorite character of.

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 4: The season, Rapid Fire. I told you they were going

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 4: to do this. If you asked, I was like, they're

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01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 4: not going to be able to just go it out.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, favorite character of the season. I feel

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01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 5: like I don't want to look through.

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01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: My initial My initial reaction is Alan just because.

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01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: Watching his performance and he's just so good and the

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: character the growth and the character, and I'm that would

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Speaker 1: be my initial one.

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01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 2: But I really like Sean this season too. I really did.

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01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: But I also really liked Corey because.

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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 7: Derek too.

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Speaker 2: This was just a solid season all the way around.

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Speaker 6: I think because we're.

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Speaker 5: I think because we're older, we are we we are

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01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 5: so connected to the incredible character that Alan is as

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01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 5: a dad. But I think my actual favorite character of

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01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 5: the season is Eric. I mean, if I if I

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 5: take myself out of the fact that I want to

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Speaker 5: be Alan and I actually think of the episodes the

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01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 5: joy I mean, we didn't even touch on shallow Boy.

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Speaker 6: You guys, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't like this.

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01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 3: I don't like it. What's show boy?

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01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 4: I just felt like that episode was like such a

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01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 4: I felt that it was there. Tony will totally ride

1384
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 4: with you guys. I love it was all about I

1385
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 4: was like, miss me with this again.

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01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 7: That was was.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful talking to to.

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Speaker 4: Favorite.

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Speaker 7: Okay, here's here's one each of you favorite episode of

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Speaker 7: the season.

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Speaker 5: Here today Goon Tomorrow with B and B's B and

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Speaker 5: B being my second favorite.

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01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: Checklick me.

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01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 7: And finally, what has been your favorite season of Bloy

1395
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 7: Meets World so far?

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01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 3: He's in far I do want to give a shout

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01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 3: out to seasons scause it feels like a completely different

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01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 3: show by now. But if we go back and think

1399
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: about how solid that was as a kids show, because

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01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 3: a different style of shows great, it's really hard to beat.

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, but no, season four is so incredib.

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01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 6: If they really do feel like two different shows.

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 5: I would if I had to, if I had to

1404
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 5: like and we'll probably do this at the end when

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01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 5: we finish all seven seasons. I still stand by the

1406
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 5: idea that season one might be the greatest single season

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01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 5: of any TV show.

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01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 6: Every love it from Norman.

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01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 5: Okay, maybe I have to qualify it by saying that

1410
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 5: is a kid is the star up there you go,

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01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 5: because I can't find anything else that would even come

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01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 5: close to it.

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01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 6: Maybe, but I don't know.

1414
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 5: But of this still even feeling that way, we are

1415
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 5: really in our groove with season four.

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01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 6: Season four was just phenomenal.

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 4: You'd have to do a rewatch podcast in order to

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01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 4: figure it out.

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01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 3: I've been thinking a lot about like, you know, I

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01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 3: guess we didn't ask you this time, like how are

1421
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: we ruining the show? But it's it's occurred to me,

1422
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 3: like we we exist in this weird, like this podcast

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: exists in this sort of weird like equivalent to the

1424
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 3: grandfather paradox. Do you guys know this like time travel

1425
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 3: paradox of Like right, it's like, well, it's the idea

1426
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 3: that if you go back in time and kill your grandfather,

1427
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 3: then you can't exist to have gone back in time

1428
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 3: to kill your grandfather. So right, so when when we

1429
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 3: because it's different than like you guys have your podcast

1430
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 3: and you criticize the show or compliment or whatever, And

1431
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 3: I think that's just great because it's like fans, when

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01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 3: we criticize the show we're in this, we're immediately putting

1433
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: our listeners on defense in a way because it's like

1434
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 3: we're cracking open this this potential that for us is

1435
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 3: very obvious. You know that we were there, there, there

1436
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 3: was there was once a different Topanga. Minkus was gonna

1437
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 3: be there forever. You know, Eric could have had a

1438
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 3: spin off. So like our our reality of this of

1439
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 3: Boy Meets World is like a series of choices that

1440
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 3: were made by by people like us and people we

1441
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: knew like not God's not people following a script, but

1442
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 3: like people writing a script, people rewriting a script on

1443
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 3: a daily basis, in real time, you know, like creating

1444
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 3: this work of art. And and so then we come

1445
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 3: on to our podcast and we bring that potential with us,

1446
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 3: and that's always going to just turn some people off, right, Like,

1447
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 3: that's just going to be sacrilegious in a way, because

1448
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 3: it's it's this weird, counterintuitive process. It's like, oh, I

1449
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 3: liked Boy Meets World, so I'm going to go listen

1450
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: to the actors talk about it. And then if those

1451
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 3: actors are talking about the potential for to not be

1452
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: the Boy meets World, I liked, why am I listening

1453
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 3: to them talk about it?

1454
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: You know?

1455
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 3: That's that like grandfather paradox of like and I feel

1456
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 3: like that can be uncomfortable, that can be disquieting for people,

1457
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 3: and hopefully that's a good thing, like you know, hopefully

1458
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: we can invite them along. But it's it's really weird.

1459
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 3: It is a really process.

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01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 4: Cause that point. As I said earlier, I love that

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 4: you do that though, like for me, like I think

1462
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 4: for a lot of people, you can't get enough of

1463
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 4: the potential because we only have what exists. You do

1464
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 4: want to know the ifs and the what if And

1465
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 4: as I said earlier, like just understanding that, oh, a

1466
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 4: certain budget is the reason why we got a swing set,

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01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 4: or why Turner is written out, or you know, all

1468
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 4: of these things actually help with the show's inconsistencies because

1469
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 4: hearing that, oh, it was this episode and there was

1470
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 4: a meeting that happened, and therefore Michael doubled down and

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Speaker 4: was like, now this is what the show is about.

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01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, now I can get behind and all

1473
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 4: of it sweeps right when we remind we were totally

1474
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 4: forgot about sweeps, and we're like, they needed a big episode.

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01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 3: Let's make it at the Corey de Bank and you know,

1476
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: it's like sweeps and now we can see it so clearly.

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01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, just to give you guys some hope. Season

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 7: five is pretty good too, so you know, like we

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 7: love season five. It's not as high as season four

1480
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 7: for us, but there's some classic episodes in season five.

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 7: If you're a people to track down Candice, Cameron Beuer,

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01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 7: Linda Carlini, Jennifer love Hewittt to ask them about their

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 7: time on the show, that would be great. But we

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01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 7: would also love to see Trina McGee come back and

1485
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 7: talk about Angel a.

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01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 3: Little bit more.

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01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 6: That's A, Yeah, that's a that's a no brainer.

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01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we've been.

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01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 6: Looking forward to having her come back.

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01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a given.

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,839
Speaker 5: So yeah, that will happen and we will start tracking

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01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 5: down those other people. We we may have one of

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Speaker 5: them already scheduled.

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Speaker 4: Always love hearing that.

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01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much for joining us at as always.

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01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 5: You always just help us. You know, think about the

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 5: season we've just recapped in a slightly different way. You

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01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 5: bring povs that we just don't have the ability to have.

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01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 5: You guys are so thoughtful and we just we truly

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01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 5: we enjoy every second we get to spend with you.

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01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 5: We love having you come and recap a season with us.

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 5: We look forward to doing it again for season five

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01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 5: and uh can't wait to see you guys again.

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 6: We love you both.

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, thank you so much.

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01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 7: We love you guys.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate it yea, It's so fun, man.

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01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 5: I know they're great, and you know, like I said,

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 5: I really mean it. I appreciate that they come in

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01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 5: and they've developed a relationship with us where they don't

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01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,799
Speaker 5: hold back, they really tell us their honest thoughts on things,

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01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 5: and I'm just so appreciative of Then again, if you

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Speaker 5: haven't checked out their podcast. Their podcast is called Bruh

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01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 5: Meets World. They talk about Boy meets World with a

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01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 5: melanin point of view, so you could check them out.

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 5: As always, you can follow us on Instagram pod Meets

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Speaker 5: World Show. You can send us your emails pod Meets

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Speaker 5: World Show at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 6: And we have merch.

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Speaker 1: March didn't seem like didn't seem like it's deserving of

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Speaker 1: a giant merch.

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Speaker 5: The giant March merch Okay, pod Meets Worldshow dot com

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Speaker 5: will send us out.

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Speaker 2: We love you all, pod dismissed.

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Speaker 1: Pod Meets World is nheart podcast producer and hosted by

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Speaker 1: Danielle Fischel, Wilfordell and Ryder Strong executive producers, Jensen Karp

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Speaker 1: and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,

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Speaker 1: producer and editor, Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddie More engineer and

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Speaker 1: Boy Meets World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song

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Speaker 1: is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon and you can follow

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Speaker 1: us on Instagram at Podmets World Show or email us

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Speaker 1: at Podmetsworldshow at gmail dot com. H