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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. You know, to

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Speaker 1: look at Lois Reese, you would never suspect that this

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Speaker 1: attractive platinum blode is really a serial killer. Statistically, female

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Speaker 1: serial killers are few and far between. But has Lois

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Speaker 1: Reese proven all the experts wrong? I Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is Killers amongst Us. Take a listen to our friend

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Speaker 1: Kate Rattit's CBS Minnesota. On April sixth an employee told

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Speaker 1: police Hutchinson or someone that sounded like her called to

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Speaker 1: extend her stay by three days. Later that day, Reese

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Speaker 1: was captured on video using Hutchinson's information to withdraw five

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars from her bank account. She may look like

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Speaker 1: anyone's mother or grandmother. She's an absolute, cold blooded murderer.

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Speaker 1: She was seen entering a hotel in Ocala, Florida. Video

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Speaker 1: also captured her pulling up to the hotel in Hutchinson's

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Speaker 1: white accurate sedan. Hutchinson's body was found in the bathroom

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Speaker 1: with gunshot wounds bearing similar characteristics to a twenty two

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Speaker 1: caliber handgun. She was also draped with a towel, similar

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Speaker 1: to David Reese being covered with a blanket. You are

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Speaker 1: hearing our friend Kate Rabbit's talking about the death of

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Speaker 1: Pamela Hutchinson found basically her medically sealed in the bathroom

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Speaker 1: there at her resort condo and leaving. Caught on video

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Speaker 1: surveillance is Lois Reese actually wearing Pam's hat. The two

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Speaker 1: met at a local oyster bar. At the bar hit

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Carmen Martino, Lee County Sheriff. On

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Speaker 1: April twenty eighteen, the Lee County Sheriff's Office responded to

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Speaker 1: Pamela Hutchinson, who was found to have suffered fatal gunshot wounds.

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Speaker 1: The medical examiner determined that Miss Hudsinson was the victim

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Speaker 1: Unit responded and assumed the investigation, missus Hudsinson's purse was

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Speaker 1: Further investigation revealed them Miss Hutchinson was targeted by the

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Speaker 1: suspect due to the similarities in their appearance. Once again,

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Speaker 1: we learn that she's looking for a doppel ganger, someone

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Speaker 1: them as she's driving their car or using their credit cards.

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Speaker 1: So where is she headed? So we've already heard about

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Speaker 1: Pam Hutchinson, Pam Hudginson bearing at a pretty striking resemblance

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Speaker 1: to Lois Reese. But not just Pam Hutchinson, her longtime

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Kellen Thompson k IMT News three, Rochester, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that Lois Reese

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Speaker 1: is spotted by her longtime friend from Minnesota who is

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Speaker 1: now relocated in Florida. Pretty shocking that those two looked alike?

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Speaker 1: As well. Yes, I'm sure she probably thought she's tag

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Speaker 1: ghosts that day as far as she was trying to

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Speaker 1: get away and was in a little close to her past.

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Speaker 1: There we're referring to Tess Coster, who says she froze

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Speaker 1: when she realized she was looking right at Lois Reese

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Speaker 1: with me an All Star panel. Ashley Wilcott judge, trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcott dot com, Doctor Angela

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Speaker 1: Arnold Psychiatrists joining us at the Atlanta Jurisdiction at Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: MD dot com, Director of the Coldcase Research Insta Chief

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Speaker 1: forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: State University, author Blood Beneath my Feet on Amazon, and

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Speaker 1: star of the new series Poisonous Liaisons on True Crime Network.

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Speaker 1: Kalen Thompson, you just heard from Ki mt Rochester and

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Speaker 1: Amanda Hall, reporter with w i n K TV Fort Myers, Florida.

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Speaker 1: So when they found Pam Hutchinson, Amanda Hall that we

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Speaker 1: Reese had identified first Pam Hutchins first test cost her,

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Speaker 1: She found Pam Hutchinson. The way that Pam's body was

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Speaker 1: found is strikingly similar to the way Lewis Reese's husband,

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Speaker 1: David was found. Explained, that's right. She was found in

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Speaker 1: same manner that Lois left her husband in Minnesota. She

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Speaker 1: know she's using the same weapon many times. You know,

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Speaker 1: when people are perpetrators, particularly serial killers like this, you

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Speaker 1: This is a twenty two caliber pistol. Nancy is a

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, you're the psychiatrist. I'm just to try

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Speaker 1: a lawyer. Why the same m all the time? I

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Speaker 1: would she change? That? Would that could learn into some

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Speaker 1: error on her part? Couldn't. In her mind, this is

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Speaker 1: working for her. She's got it planned out the way

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Speaker 1: a little OCD and and that's why she remains. That's

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Speaker 1: this makes her comfortable she can do it. Get out

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Speaker 1: of there and leave well. Now a man hunt is on.

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Speaker 1: Take a list of our friends and inside edition. Authorities

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Speaker 1: tell me they're now trying to figure out why Lois Reese,

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Speaker 1: with no prior criminal record, turned into an alleged cold

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Speaker 1: blooded killer this morning, Officials warning she is believed to

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Speaker 1: an urgent nationwide men hunt and the suspect in two

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Speaker 1: murders more than seventeen hundred miles apart. Police say fifty

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Speaker 1: six year old Lois Rees shot her husband David in

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Speaker 1: their rural Minnesota home in March, then took off and

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Speaker 1: their white Cadillac Escalade soon after, spotted at an Iowa casino.

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Speaker 1: old Pamela Hutchinson, a stranger bearing a similar physical appearance,

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Speaker 1: And Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer anchor Court TV.

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Speaker 1: She uses the same emo over and over. But she's brazen.

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Speaker 1: She's brazen during the manhunt. She's not even trying to

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Speaker 1: can't say it on Aaron what. I never seeks this

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Speaker 1: to amaze me. Nancy when I'm on the bench. She said,

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Speaker 1: you've got all kinds of criminals, but there are some

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Speaker 1: I don't know, egotistical may not be the right word. However,

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Speaker 1: as if there's they've done nothing wrong, right, It's all good.

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Speaker 1: It came off according to my plan, and now I

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Speaker 1: have money to spend. I don't get it. Doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: you're the psychiatrist again. She's got dead bodies, a trail

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Speaker 1: and she's ordering room service and primetime movies. How well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: none of us understand us because we don't. We don't

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Nancy, there's there's something wrong

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Speaker 1: with her attachment. She doesn't make attachments to these people

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Speaker 1: people like you and I are. Okay, that's not a

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Speaker 1: go on and do it to the next person. Josky Morgan,

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Speaker 1: you have investigated well over a thousand death cases. I

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Speaker 1: During a jury trial, I'm showing all these horrible photos

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult. Nancy. If if you're you know, quote

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Speaker 1: her track record. She's looking for her next look alike.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Carmen Marcinna, Lee County Sheriffs. Reese

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Speaker 1: that took place in Dodge County, Minnesota. Our Major Crimes

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Speaker 1: the rest warrant for Reese. Our detectives have reviewed hundreds

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Speaker 1: FBI serial killer profiler and figure that out. I agree

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Speaker 1: all right, She's committing these crimes and now a man

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Speaker 1: The search is on for Lois Reese, who has left

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Speaker 1: it be? Killers amongst us Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,