WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Michael Waldman 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.320 today's best minds, and Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green says peace 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.640 is the answer, so nothing makes any sense. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.280 We have such a great show for you today. 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.439 The Linked Project z own Rick Wilson joins us to 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:27.880 talk about regime change and why it always works out great. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.920 Then we'll talk to the Brennan Centers Michael Waldman about 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.360 protecting the vote in the midterms. But first the news. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:40.800 So, Mollie, while our Democratic leadership seems pretty neutered on 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.440 the subject of opposing Trump's war with rn AOC is 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.880 saying he must be impeached, what do you see him here? 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.599 So a lot of people think that Donald Trump bombing 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.520 Iran without asking Congress, which he's supposed to do, and 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:01.640 then only notifying Republicans and not Democrats is impeachment worthy. 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.759 This is the reason that I think people are so 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.759 angry at Democrats. And they come over to me during 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.039 my readings when I'm traveling and they say they're fearous, 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.479 and you know why they're fears because they don't feel 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.880 that leadership is as angry as they are. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.200 Right, that's why they're mad. They want the democratic leadership 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.840 to be as galvanized as they are. You have Americans 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.399 marching on the street, you have Americans saying this is 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.959 not okay. So if you have that, then why do 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:31.479 you have. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.280 Democratic leadership saying, oh, this is what Israel wants, so 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.319 we have to go along with it. I think AOC 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.959 is much closer to where are most of the democratic 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.200 base is, and you really want leadership to reflect the 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.880 feelings of the base, at least in a case like this, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.680 So I think this is a really good example. Now, also, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.480 there were members of Congress who put together a resolution 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.800 against the war because they know that no nobody wants this. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.120 The polling on this is terrible. Literally, no one wants this. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.520 This is like one of the dumbest. At least with Afghanistan, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.880 you could at least make the case that nine to 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.760 eleven was somehow tangentially involved in this. But with this, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.639 there is no fucking reason. But it is the dumbest, 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.839 most pointless thing, and it has nothing to do with us, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.560 and it's just insane. Right Netnyahu has been saying that 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.359 Iran has made nukes. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.760 Forever thirty three years. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.440 Right, we have never had a good experience trying to 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.240 enact to regime change. There is zero reason for this. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.160 And let me tell you there are a lot of 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.639 members of Congress and here there are fifty forty nine 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:43.640 members of Congress who voted against Trump doing this unilaterally, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.120 and everyone from Rocanna to Thomas Massey to AOC and 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.440 there are national security people on that list, people like 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.919 Tim Kaine. This is not a lefty or a righty thing. 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.080 This is a dummy or a smarty thing. And the 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.600 reality is the only people who supported this strike were 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.640 Trumpian sick of fans and John Fetterman, who is just 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.480 wants to make people upset. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.920 Well and is also staunchly pro Israeli. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.480 But this isn't even pro Israel. It is just stupid. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.360 You say, dumb versus smart. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.480 But I was told by jd Vance today that the 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.160 difference between past problems in the Middle East is that 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.240 we had dumb presidents. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:22.240 This one's smart. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:22.560 Yeah. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.120 I think that's a good hill for him to engage 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.840 with the idea that Donald Trump is smarter than other presidents. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.960 That I think that's the play there. I like Jada 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.160 Vance on the Sunday shows saying that we weren't at 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.560 war with Iran, we were at war with Iran's nukes. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.640 Oh yeah, because that distinction. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.680 I'm sure the Iranian people will well, absolutely, that will 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:46.600 make a lot of sense. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.360 Meanwhile, little Marco could not even say that Iran was 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.000 close to having nuclear power because even that was a 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:54.720 bridge too far for his bullshit. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.800 But also like regime change, Meanwhile, we have we have 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.760 ICE supporting people who are legal. My favorite ICE trope 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.600 is that they keep arresting the same people and happy 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.200 to let them go. Yeah, so our private military that 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.040 wears masks so people can't identify them and arrest people 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.679 who are recording them. Those guys, they had an ICE 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.799 detainee die in transit. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:26.480 Okay, so that's they're also killing people. Okay. His six 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.600 children have been frustrated. Two of the children said he 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.840 had no health conditions before being detained. By the way, 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.000 that guy is going to be able to sue. And 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.400 it's not even I mean, he's dead, so his family 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.800 will be able to sue. It's just this is so 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:48.320 incredibly appalling and disgusting, and our country has just completely 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.880 lost its mind, and it's just terrible. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:51.120 No. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:56.039 We had La City Council Member Hugo Soto Martinez this 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.880 week saying that Ice was going to a battered woman's 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.240 shelter and looking for immigrants like you want to talk 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.760 about like going to the people at the worst moment 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.600 of their life. Like this is beyond the cruelty is 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.760 the point. This is just literally the most disgusting behavior 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.279 you can imagine that no one voted. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.480 For Yeah, well, I think Steven Miller voted for well. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.960 I mean, it is his sick mind behind all this. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.400 Speaking of sick minds and the agenda of this administration, 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.240 the Trump administration has ordered California to remove gender identity 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:29.400 from sex ed. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.359 This is so stupid. This is like their favorite culture 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:37.560 war issue. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Why do you care 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.320 what other people say about their gender? It's so I mean, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.200 it's literally like we're a decade into this fucking thing 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.440 and all and Trump world has like three things they do, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:54.080 so here we go. They're punishing LGBTQ kids. The State 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.120 Department receives five point eight million dollars, which is like, 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.200 that's like how much the military spends on GOM under 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.120 the program to teach safe sex practices, HIV prevention and 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:11.320 abstinence to high need its populations, homeless, use minorities, migrant 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.479 farm workers, incarcerated use s in foster. I mean, this 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:19.400 is like they're just punishing the most vulnerable people because 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:24.600 they know that that's what the base likes. I am 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.720 so depressed every fucking day, and it's like it never 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:35.960 gets better. Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.880 Project and the host of the Enemy's List. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.280 Welcome back to Fast Politics. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.040 Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast how are you? 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:43.680 I'm good enough, man? 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.400 What good enough? Good enough? 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.440 You're ready to face the new world we live in? 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.960 Of h I found a very cheap dentist who works 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.200 on the weekends, and God blessed. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.560 That's always a it's always a benefit, right. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.920 So let's talk about regime change. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.240 You know, it always works out pretty well. As a 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.279 as a former fan of regime change, I've noticed over 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.520 the over the decades, it rarely happens the way you 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:10.440 think it's going to happen. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.120 Yeah, that's what you know. It's funny because McCrystal, mccraven, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:16.240 mra mc. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.800 McRaven, and there's a Crystal Bill there's. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.880 Bill Crystal, there's a Crystal, Yes, McCrystal. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:24.880 M H. Stanley. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.680 Stanley was on television talking about how it never goes 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.880 the way you think it's gonna go. Correct, when you 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:37.520 start bombing a country you have absolutely no business being 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.160 in for any number of reasons. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:41.800 Discuss been to this. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:47.440 Rodeo, tried it before, it didn't work out. We have 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.920 case A and case B. Case A George Herbert Walker 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.240 Bush my old boss. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:55.880 And that one you were in, right. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.120 Yeah, that was that was the one I was. I 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.720 was around for that, for that festivity. That war was 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.440 very carefully bounded. We had a bunch of rules where 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.600 we said things like and by the way, because I 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.360 was a young, hot headed, you know, young dumb ass, 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:09.640 I was like, we should have gone all the way 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:10.240 to beg dde. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.000 Well then we did. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.720 We did that the next time around and did not 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.960 work out for us the way anyone wanted it to 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:20.600 or thought it. And of course Iran makes Iran. Iraq 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:25.280 is like the the starter level in the video game, uh, 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.120 compared to Iran. And I do think it's important we 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.439 all we all just acknowledge the Iranian government are some 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.520 of the worst possible abusers of human rights in the universe. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.359 They are very, very shitty, horrible bad people, and cautioning 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:44.520 against Donald Trump involving us in a open ended by 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:50.200 the way, because it's never oh it's one and done right. No, no, no, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.000 bless your heart, it does not ever work that way. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.400 Now they get a vote. Now they get to go 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.120 out and say, huh, okay, well you did you did 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.080 to us with the B two and and these massive 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.559 ordinance penetrating weapons. Now we're gonna well up an embassy 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.600 or take hostages, or kill Americans or hijacked plane. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.880 But we don't know. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.160 They're going to do next, right, and the likelihood of 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:15.480 what they do next sucks. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:21.400 I want it also caution that we cannot trust anything 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:22.680 this administration does. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.640 Right the idea that Trump came out and said and 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:27.840 said immediately and if it was funny because I got 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.840 a text message from a former intelligence agency official, very 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.040 high level person, who said Trump giving us a battle 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.679 damage assessment within minutes after the raid is over, when 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.720 the military doesn't know yet how effective it was. And look, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.720 the massive ordinance penetrator weapon is a very powerful device. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.719 We've never used them in combat before. We don't know 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.319 what effectiveness they had at for now. They could have 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.040 done they could have wiped out the whole thing, or 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.440 they could have had an effect. We don't know they 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.720 could have. You know, look, when you're fighting uranium with 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.200 with you know you have uranium hexafluoride in the in 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.160 the refining process, you you better hope that you not 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.559 knock the whole fucking thing out, because if the waste 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.880 product is splashing around, that's not great either. There's a 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:14.720 lot of things here. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.000 There's a lock and go wrong. I mean, I think 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.040 the top line from smart people is a lock and 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.400 go wrong. You're opening the door to any number of 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.280 unforeseen consequences. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:29.920 Uh huh, and the whole justification for doing it doesn't 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:30.960 make a ton of sense. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.959 Look, I was a admittedly I was a skeptic of 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.920 JCPOA at the time. A lot of serious people were. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.400 It wasn't just some of it was partisan, but it 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.600 wasn't just partisan. But a lot of people looked at 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:47.160 JCPOA and said, oh, this is explain what j JCPOA 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.720 was the international agreement that was spearheaded by the United 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:54.360 States while Barack Obama was president to stop Iranian enrichment 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.520 of FISA materials, right, Because folks, it's easy to build 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.640 the boss part of a nuclear weapon, building the mechanical 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:08.080 part of the nuclear weapon, the the device is any 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.160 any sophisticated country can do it, and Iran is quite 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.280 a sophisticated country. Filling it up with all the fissile 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.679 nuclear material to make it an actual nuclear weapon is really, 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:22.080 really hard. So this JCPOA delayed that for five years, 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.280 and Donald Trump, because he hates Barack Obama and did 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.160 not want a deal with Barack Obama's name on it, 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:34.600 killed JPOA, hoping that it would speed up the process 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:40.920 of allowing either the US or Israel to strike the 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.240 Iranian nuclear capacity. But what it did was delayed it 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.840 so that Iran could build up its nuclear capacity. So 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.960 I'm not really sure it worked the way they thought 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:54.480 it was going to work. And now what we have 0:11:54.800 --> 0:12:01.160 is the there are some indications that the Iranians evacuated 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.679 the ficile material that was absolutely now. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.560 Right, that they may have gotten their heads up. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.320 Right, And you know, we were we the administration was 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.559 certainly flagging it to everybody who would listened for the 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.840 few days before, right, But we don't know, we don't 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.319 know how much facile material got out, like how much 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.320 they were able to exfil trait. We don't know the 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.080 severity of the damage yet. It will be severe. I mean, 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.000 make no mistake, this is not going to be trivial. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.800 And the Runians are not going to be happy about 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:37.080 this outcome. But we don't have a super clear read 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.880 yet on on just how bad it is for them. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.280 And look, it's not like we have the A team 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.840 in this administration, right we have a lot of very 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.800 confident people were taken out because he got Pedro. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.840 Del Drunko and a bunch of these idiots. You've got 0:12:55.080 --> 0:13:00.480 his own head of the Director of National Intelligence, Gabbert 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:05.680 has been completely sidelined. She's not involved in any of 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:10.160 the discussions or meetings. You've got Marco Rubio looking like 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.839 a hostage standing behind Trump today. By the way, I 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.000 don't know if you noticed this today on on CBS 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.920 Sunday CBS Show, but Marco is sporting a fabulous new 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:21.400 hair piece. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.360 I did not notice that. What I noticed was Marco 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:30.160 on CBS with the Margaret saying, you know, I thought 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:30.920 that was a great moment. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:31.200 He said. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.520 She said, well, military intelligence that you know had you 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.720 know assess is that they have no nukes and he says, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.199 he's he gets very haffy and he's like, how would 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.120 you even know what military intelligence is? And then he 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.600 goes you can see the wheels sort of turning, and 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.440 then he's like, no, wait, He's like, I don't care 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:54.880 about military and doubt intelligence doesn't mean any public intelligence 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.600 doesn't mean there is no This is moving so stupidly, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.320 and you can watch it moving through their brains. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.880 And all their mental processes. You can tell from it 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.160 from a distance. All their mental processes are Is Donald 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:11.000 going to be mad at me? 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:11.720 Right? 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.920 That's all they think. Will Donald'll be angry if I 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.880 say something that happens to mistakenly be the truth. And 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.480 you can see that with Marco today, he was very 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.720 nervous about it. I think we all have sort of 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:28.600 come to the conclusion. I think correctly that essentially what 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:33.760 happened here was bib Datna who manipulated pressured Mojo Trump 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.800 into doing this, and they're now all doing what they 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.800 always do. They're having to go in reverse and reverse 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.680 engineer explanations and excuses and reasons and blah blah blah 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.560 for why this was a great idea, and yeah, and 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.640 so they'll make up anything to not have to say 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:51.360 the truth. 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:56.520 I think that's a good point about reverse engineering the idea, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.240 because you know, it feels so much like weapons of 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.320 mass destruction now, it feels so oh yeah. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.160 If you don't have that same vibe, if you don't 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.760 have WMD vibes right now, you're not you haven't been 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.480 around them, around in this campfire for a while. Because 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.760 this is this is the structure, although it was different 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:20.680 with the Bush administration in one key element. They got 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:25.080 Congress to vote for an authorization, right, Donald Trump told 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.600 the Republicans in Congress, but not the Democrats. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.440 Right, which is really. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.640 Which is like unprecedented in its duchiness. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.320 Imagine if a Democrat did that, but also. 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.560 Much once again the counterfactual world of if a Democrat 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:42.120 did this. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.520 But also Mike Johnson didn't call anyone back, right, and 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.280 you had Thomas Massey. I'd love to have like two 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:52.600 seconds with you about Thomas Massey. Here's Thomas Massey. And 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.960 I understand that I do not agree with that man 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.320 on almost everything. What I do think it's interesting that 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.960 Thomas Massey is standing up to Trump more than pretty 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:05.960 much anyone. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.960 Right, He's standing up to Trump more than a lot 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:09.920 of Democrats to be. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:11.240 That's what I was thinking. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.360 Why, I mean, there are a lot of Democrats who 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.080 are much more accommodated to Trump than Thomas Massey is. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:16.560 Yeah. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.440 Why, the guy's got nothing to lose, you know what. 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.280 He's in a safe district. He's been reelected a couple 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.920 of times against Trump's will, and he's kind of a 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.560 contrarian dickhead, you know, and sometimes being a contrarian dickhead 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.840 and you end up being somebody you don't want to 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.080 have to dinner. But he is right, you know, you 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.280 got to be honest. He's not wrong about absolutely right. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.840 He's not wrong about the constitutional you know principle here 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:47.280 that you know now way in a worn out with 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.880 Iran is out of their fucking mind. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:55.080 MAGA has launched from at CEOs a pack in efforts 0:16:55.120 --> 0:17:00.000 to oust Massy from Congress, of course, for being insufficient 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:01.400 lay loyal to Trump. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.840 Naturally, this is my not shocked face. He's a guy 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.960 who who you know, has a lot of name mighty 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.480 in his district. He's probably not going to lose that seat. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.040 I think that he's a he's a he's a jackass. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:19.080 But you know, even even seeing one guy in the 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.520 in the GOP who's saying the words, know, this is wrong, 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.439 this is this is stupid, this is unconstitutional. I mean, 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.960 I'm not saying it's some sort of like blessed sense 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.120 of relief, but it's so unusual, so out of out 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.720 of the normal bounds of the Republican world that you're 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.560 kind of like, wow, this is weird. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:46.560 Yeah, I think it's really important. So let's talk about 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.040 where we are right now. Trump still has legislation, the 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.159 one piece of legislation he's trying to pass. It is 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:59.320 wildly unpopular. It is being wildly the Senate. What do 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.679 you think now? I mean, there's a lot to not 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.480 recommend there, but do you think and the House is 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:11.080 sort of they're going back and. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:13.640 I think Trump interestingly right now has an excuse to say, oh, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:18.240 we're at war now you must pass the big beautiful bill. Yeah, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.320 and I think that may have upped its chances a 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:26.040 little bit. But but you know, if there are a 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.159 lot of economic externalities right now, if he closed the 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.480 straight of hormone, if Iron closes the straight of hormas 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.280 and gas prices start to spike and the bond market 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.960 loses its mind. There are reasons to say this may 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.560 not work out like we thought. I'm not very sanguine 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.199 for the bill as it stands right now. If we 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:46.120 weren't shooting game with Iran right now, the bill would 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.120 probably be in more trouble. There is a rally around 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.040 the flag effect from the anti war party suddenly very 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.240 excited about going to war. 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:58.600 It's just so incredibly stupid. But you think that this 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:03.159 bombing Iran, even though it's so unpopular, the polling is 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.880 so unpopular, you think it still has a rally around 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.000 the flag effect inside MAGA. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:09.760 It does, and I, you. 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:14.879 Know, everybody, even though MAGA Trump ran on not starting. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.400 You know, I said this to last week, like early 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.879 or mid midweek last week, I guess I said to 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.080 somebody or on the broadcast or something. I can't remember 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.879 now it's all an old ones together. I said, this 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.800 will end up being one of those things where MAGA 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.200 they are absolutely positively against any kind of new war. 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.720 They don't want any of this this neocon foreign policy, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.760 and the minute Trump attacks Iran, they're going to say, well, 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.840 of course we had to attack Iran. We love This 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.720 is a war worth fighting, right and they are and 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.159 and a lot of them you know, you got, You've got, 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.760 You've got a lot of these guys who on paper 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:55.240 are the hardcore MAGA influencer types. That's where this fight 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:59.560 is causing. The anxiety for MAGA is at the influencer level. 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.840 It's not at it's not at the base, it's not 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:06.200 at the like every day right, it's Tucker, it's Alex Jones, 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.680 it's Steve Bannon, and they're all like playing this game, 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.800 like Okay, shit, I hate this. But can I get 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:16.159 away with hating it if Trump really wants it? And 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.960 the answer is they cannot. If Trump wants a bass 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:23.199 is gonna say I I captain whatever you want. So 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:25.560 I think that's where we're at right now. 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.360 Unbelievably shitty, Oh yeah, oh yeah. 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.520 And opens the door to all sorts of unknown unknowns. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.719 The the yes to quote Donald Rumsfeld, Yes, And I 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:42.560 do think, Polly, there's a really realistic chance that Iran 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.639 is going to do something truly fucking horrible, right right. 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.320 I worry about that, and I and I think I 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:49.919 think it was easy for a lot of these boga 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.080 guys to go, Well, the Israel's already taken care of 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.680 it and it'll be fine. Now. I don't share that view, 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:02.159 I think. I think unfortunately, Iran still gets a vote 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:02.960 in this fight. 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.000 So who is keeping us safe right now? 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.960 Rick Wilson, Well, you know, Molly, I don't know about you, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.360 but if I was looking for a senior national security 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.000 official in the Department of Homeland Security, in the counter 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.080 terrorism space, which is of course where Iran is extremely 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.560 both dangerous and experienced, I would look for a twenty 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:28.800 two year old guy who was deeply inexperienced and had 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:33.960 obviously been like a waiter and a golf caddy or 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.600 something like that. That's who I would pick. Oh wait, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.160 that wasn't who I would pick. That's who Donald Trump picked. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:45.520 We are literally dealing with a Doge style twenty somethingter 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.160 dipshit who is in charge of our counter terrorism efforts 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.800 these days because he was picked by Sergio Gore, possible 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.040 Russian sleeper agent and Trump head of personnel. 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.919 Yes, Sergio Gore has a lot of power in the 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:06.399 Trump administration, a lot, and not for seemingly no reason. 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:11.840 By the way, I do, I am curious, like I 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:13.800