1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noll. They called 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission Control decond. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: want you to know. Longtime listeners or recent listeners welcome. 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: You'll notice that we are continuing a bit of a 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: maritime trend today. We didn't plan this, It just happened. 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: We're tackling one of the oldest oceanic questions in human existence. 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: For thou thousands and thousands of years, human beings have 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: both feared and worshiped the ocean, as well as, of course, 15 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: the things believed to live within it. So fast forward 16 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: to the current day. Uh. Good for us human species. 17 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: We have learned a great deal about the ocean over 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: the past several millennia, and we still rely on it 19 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: for food. Nowadays we can pretty often travel across it safely, 20 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: but we have by no means conquered the ocean. In fact, 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: we know more about the moon right now than we 22 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: do about Earth's oceans. The briny deep, in short, is 23 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: still flooded with mysteries. That was not an intentional pun. 24 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: But here's the point. Today's question. Is it possible that 25 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: sea serpents, the legendary sea monsters of old, still exist today. Uh. 26 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: To answer this question, we have to learn what little 27 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: we do know about the ocean already. So here are 28 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: the facts. And just to be clear, when we're talking 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: about the ocean and oceans, where we really mean the oceans, 30 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: the seas, the places where there's briny water right where 31 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: it's very deep. That's what we're referring to today. So 32 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world, not just in one particular place, 33 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: right yes, and not just the Pacific, not just maybe 34 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean, but the whole shebang, you know what 35 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like literally all of the water, or as 36 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: we'll come to find out, of all the water. So 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: we've often heard people say things like, you know, we 38 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: know less about the ocean than we do about outer space. 39 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: That's a little misleading, but we definitely do know more 40 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: about Earth's moon than we do about Earth's oceans. I mean, 41 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: when you think about it, the numbers get weird if 42 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: you believe the official stories. That's for a different episode. 43 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: We've sent twelve people to the Moon since about nineteen 44 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: sixte yet in comparison, we've only sent three people to 45 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: the deepest part of the ocean. Uh, one of them 46 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: being James Cameron, who makes an appearance here. As a 47 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: matter of fact, the old Hollywood legend is that James 48 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: Cameron mainly wanted to do Titanic as a way of 49 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: getting support for his trip to the Marry Honest Trench, 50 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: which is very cool. Yeah, he had a cute little 51 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: like pod thing that he went down in, right, like 52 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: kind of a future you looking under the sea mini 53 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: sub with like grabber claw arms or maybe I'm hyperbolizing here. No, no, no, 54 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good description. I mean, that's that's the 55 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: only way to get down there. And those people who 56 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: have gone to the deepest part of the ocean, again, 57 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: we're only counting the people who came back. You know. 58 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: It's it's completely plausible that a lot of people died 59 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: and their bodies eventually drifted to some very deep part 60 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: of the sea floor. Well, and the ones that did 61 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: come back. We're all completely mad. There we go nice 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: set up that, Yeah, yeah, there, we know that there. 63 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Despite the fact that there have only been a very 64 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: very small amount of people who went to what we 65 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: call the deepest part of the ocean, we know that 66 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: there is a lot, a lot down there. Uh. The 67 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: ocean takes up about seventy one of Earth's surface, and 68 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, whose research we lean 69 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: on a lot in this episode, they know that about 70 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: nine cent of that oceanic surface, the seafloor. They call 71 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: it unexplored and m hmmm. It depends on what you 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: mean by explored, but I I think it's a fair 73 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: way to look at it, especially when we learn more 74 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: about the stats and geography of the ocean. Quick question, guys, 75 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: do you think they work backwards from that acronym to 76 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: like what words were going to be in it? You know, 77 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: because Noah, Noah's ark and all that, and they're like, Okay, 78 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: we gotta make this Noah thing work. It's such a 79 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: good image. I thought about that, but I didn't. I 80 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: didn't nail down this story because it would be my speculation. 81 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: It just it feels like if they're trying to purposely 82 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: spell Noah, then they would have done a better job. 83 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: There's so many things that begin with H. Well, some 84 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: mysteries are just better left unsolved. Um. So it's true 85 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: what we loosely describe as the ocean and swishy quotation 86 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: fingers has a volume of around one point three three 87 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: two cubic kilometers. I say that doubly because the words 88 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: spelled out several times in the research materials that I'm 89 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: looking at. Just to drive home, that's a lot of 90 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: cubic kilometers, my friends. That works out to be about 91 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: three and fifty two quintillion gallons of water. That's just 92 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: like a completely unfathomable number right there in my mind 93 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: at least. And that's the water on the entire planet. 94 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: Another two percent is locked up in glaciers and ice caps, 95 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: and a tiny part is in water vapor floating through 96 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 1: the atmosphere, and an even tinier part is inside of us. All. Oh, man, 97 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: it was there all along, It was there all along, 98 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: you guys. It's the majority of the human body, actually 99 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: about up to six of you, specifically you, if you're 100 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: human and listening to this about your body is water. 101 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: We are water beings on a water planet, gentlemen. And uh, 102 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: and when you we're talking about you know, the actual 103 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: volume of the oceans, we're talking about of the ocean 104 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: floor quote unquote unexplored, right, because we're talking about actually 105 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: going and exploring there the way you would the moon 106 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: or another place. Um, it's crazy to imagine that that's 107 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: just the floor part. And then there's all that volume 108 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: of water with all that depth, and think about attempting 109 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: to explore somehow the surface area at every depth that 110 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: you possibly can, and and it just feels like it 111 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: would be impossible for humans to do because the average 112 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: depth of the ocean is three thousand, seven hundred and 113 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: ninety five meters or a little over twelve thousand, four 114 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty feet. And just like the Earth's surface, 115 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: life is not distributed evenly across the ocean, right you're 116 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: you don't you don't just have whales every x meters 117 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: or something, or fish every x centimeters or whatever it 118 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: would be. Um, they could be anywhere within that depth. 119 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: Just for comparison there, when we're talking about the average 120 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: depth of the world's oceans. Uh, consider let's see, Matt, 121 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 1: the number you gave us is average depth of three thousand, 122 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: seven hundred and ninety five ms, or little little north 123 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: of twelve thousand, four and fifty feet. The current tallest 124 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: tallest building tall skyscraper in the world, the bourge Khalifa, 125 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: is two thousand, seven hundred sixteen and a half feet, 126 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 1: So tiny, tiny, tiny in comparison to not the deepest 127 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: part of the ocean, but just the global average. This 128 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: is a big place. We have quote unquote mapped the 129 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: ocean floor. Good job for our species, but we did 130 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: it at really really low resolution. I'm not gonna say 131 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: we cut some corners, because again it's a very big place. 132 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: But if you look at the overall mapping of the 133 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: ocean floor and you you take all of the scientific 134 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: progress that every single civilization is made up to now, 135 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: the most of that ocean floor mapping has a resolution 136 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: of five kilometers or three miles. That means that if 137 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: something is so ridiculous, but that means that if something 138 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: is smaller than three miles big, then we could totally 139 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: miss it. So that's like, that's that's the threshold for size. 140 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: So just to set up our question or address our 141 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: question a little more, here, if a sea monster existed 142 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: and there was a breeding population. Uh, and they were 143 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: less than three miles big, not even like, not even long, 144 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: they were just big. If they were less than three 145 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: miles big, then it's possible that we could have missed them. 146 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: Think about all the crashed extraterrestrial craft that could be 147 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: down there, we'd have no idea. They're not three miles long. Well, maybe, Matt, 148 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: are you proposing aquatic extraterrestrials? Yes, USO is my friend. 149 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't even know how to start 150 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: wrapping my head around that idea. But probably a discussion 151 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: for another day, and check out our episode. Yeah, we 152 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: have a previous episode on these U s O s uh. 153 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know, maybe we should revisit that 154 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: one because there's there's some new information I found on that. 155 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, clearly I should revisit that one because I 156 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: do not recall its existence at all. But there's Ah, 157 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: you're right now, that's an episode maybe for another day, 158 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: which you can find out wherever you get your favorite podcast. 159 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: So this mapping, it's something that can be misleading. I 160 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: think when you first hear it, it's kind of like 161 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: saying radio telescope. A radio telescope gives you information about space, 162 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: but it doesn't necessarily give you a visual picture. And 163 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: this ocean floor mapping doesn't necessarily give us what you 164 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: would think of as a visual picture. The job is 165 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: accomplished using radar. It measures the c's surface, so it 166 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: gives us this kind of rough topography, the idea of 167 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: where the bumps and the dips occur. And that's pretty cool, right, 168 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: But that means that the maps of the ocean floor 169 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: still are not detailed as detailed as some of the 170 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: maps of planets in our solar system, which is insane. 171 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: We know a little bit about Mars, if this holds true, 172 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: we know a little bit about more about the surface 173 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: of Mars than we do about the surface of the ocean. Nuts. Okay, 174 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: so just for like a you know, audio visual aid. UM, 175 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: let's just talk a little bit about the layout. UM. So, 176 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: just like the surface of the globe, UH, the subterranean 177 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: globe I guess we could call it, UM is divided 178 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: into different zones or regions UM. Each one has their 179 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: own unique ecosystem UH. Specific creatures that are native to 180 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: each of these areas, adapted to live in these particular 181 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: conditions of these zones in the ocean. There are five, 182 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: and we'll start from closest to the surface and and 183 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: dive down. I'll start with this one because it's really 184 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: fun to say, the epipelagic or on light zone, and 185 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: that ranges from the surface of the water to six 186 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six ft below. It gets plenty of light, 187 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: plenty of heat, and of course all of those things 188 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: decrease as you head further down. And this is where 189 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: all the cute little babies live. The fun you know, 190 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: cute kind of finding nemo esque figures of the sea. 191 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: Um a lot of oceanic life that humans actually interact with. Sure, 192 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: they're they're they're cute in their own way. Let's be nice, um, 193 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: but also like coral reefs and and and all these 194 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: amazing built up layers of coral uh and um. It's 195 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: very much like think of it as like the metro 196 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: area of the sea. You know, this is like the 197 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Tokyo or the New York City or you know, the 198 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Atlanta nice and uh. And then you go down a 199 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: little bit further you get to the twilight zone or 200 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: the mesopelagic zone. It's between six hundred and fifty six 201 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: ft and three thousand, two hundred ft. There's still a 202 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: lot of stuff living in this area, you, but stuff 203 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: is getting a little different, a little, a little weirder. 204 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Like wolf eels. Sure, sure you're familiar with those wolf eels. 205 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: You can hear them howling in the season no matter 206 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: where you are. Swordfish, Uh, scary, terrifying creatures that you can. 207 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: You can hunt for fish for them, but it's a 208 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: difficult process. The light at this point, as you're going 209 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: down is dying. Sunlight is getting fainter and fainter as 210 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: you submerge. If you mapped all this on a chart, 211 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: you could definitely correlate depth with weirdness. Just putting that 212 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: out there real quick. I want to point out for 213 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: anyone who is hearing of wolf eels for the first time, uh, 214 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: please do yourself with favor, use your browser of choice 215 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: to check out some images of wolf feels. They do 216 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: not look like what you might assume in a wolf. 217 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: For an eel looks like I had to put him 218 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: in there, and uh, yeah, their life is getting ured 219 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: with it and you can't actually hear them howling. I apologize, 220 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: I was jip. Well, we don't know, We don't know, 221 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: we don't know. Uh, So let's continue this journey into 222 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: the murk. Uh. Now we're stepping into the midnight zone 223 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: to uh bastardized the phrase from that song. We're at 224 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: the bath apologic zone between three thousand, two hundred and 225 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: eighty one ft to twelve thousand, a hundred and twenty 226 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: four ft. This part of the ocean is like that 227 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: old line from Method Man, it's cold world. You have 228 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: to bring your own heat. This zone is largely dark. 229 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: This is where you start to see some sea creatures 230 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: emitting their own light through phosphorescence. Uh. It's also like 231 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: that Queen song Doo doo doo, do doo doo doo. 232 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: These creatures are under pressure. The pressure in this zone 233 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: reaches almost six thousand pounds per square inch. And that's 234 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: just because of what you alluded to earlier, Matt. There 235 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: is so much water on top of you here. If 236 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: you if you live in this area and then uh 237 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: next to this, we would our next step should we continue? 238 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: James Cameron skiing down into the depths is what I 239 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: think personally is the coolest zone. Is it cool as ice? Ben? 240 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: Sort of like the Queen song was repurposed to be Uh, 241 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: it's very cold. It's it's not quite freezing because the 242 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: water is still liquid, but it's very very cold. You're 243 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: gonna have to convince me that it's cooler than high 244 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: pressure bioluminescence. But let's do this right. So this is 245 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: the abisso paleogic zone. Did I get that right? I 246 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: think I got it pretty close. And that's between thirteen thousand, 247 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: h nineteen thousand, six hundred and eighty six ft. And 248 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: as the aforementioned Vanilla ice reference implies, this uh is 249 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: a very very very cold part of the deep sea 250 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: with no natural light. Over s of the ocean floor 251 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: is in this zone. So this is essentially like for 252 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: on and purposes, the bottom basically m M yeah. Loosely speaking, 253 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: this is this is one of the things I thought 254 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: about a lot, uh in younger days. I always thought, 255 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: where's the bottom of the continents? You know what I mean? 256 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: Where can you walk? Like if you could walk on 257 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: the ocean floor and you could see, oh, there's where 258 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: the floor has kind of a corner and the wall 259 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: there that's well, that's you know North America or that's Australia. 260 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: You would find it in the abyssop logic zone. That's 261 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: um that's the place from which spraying the continents. But 262 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: it's still not the bottom. It's just most of the bottom, right, 263 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: because just like the non water covered surface of the planet, 264 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: there are peaks, there are valleys in the ocean. We 265 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: call these trenches. Yes, the hadel pelagic zone that lies 266 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: down way way down nineteen foul in six eighty six 267 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: ft to thirty six thousand, one hundred feet. Now imagine that. 268 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: What do we say the average was around twelve thousand, 269 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: thirteen thousand feet, that's correct, twelve thousand four So now 270 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: we're way way down there, and the pressure in these 271 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: areas is insane. It's more than eleven thousand, three hundred 272 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: and eighteen tons per square meter. Or essentially, think about 273 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: this the equivalent of one person trying to support the 274 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: weight of fifty giant jumbo jets. You know, there's we 275 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: all know somebody who can bench press one jumbo jet, 276 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: but imagine doing fifty. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's impossible. 277 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: It's you know, it calls to mind the old mythological 278 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: figure of Atlas holding the world atop his shoulders. Uh 279 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: and theology plays a huge role in today's episode as well. 280 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: The the actual depth here gets tricky because it depends on, 281 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, the trenches or the valleys in the area. 282 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: Of course, the Mariannest Trench, which is the deepest area 283 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: of the ocean to ever be explored by humans, sits 284 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: at we would it's almost it's definitely thirty five thousand, 285 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: seven nine seven ft deep. Uh, But that might not 286 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: be the entire story, because again we don't There's a 287 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: ton of stuff we don't know about the ocean. Just 288 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: for comparison, like we did with Burgh Khalifa. Uh, the 289 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: tallest mountain in the world on the on Earth's dry 290 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: surface is Mount Everest that stands at twenty nine in 291 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: six ft. So this means that the deepest ocean trench, 292 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: as far as we know, is deeper than the tallest 293 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: mountain on this planet is high. There there's a even 294 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: with scale comparisons, this quickly becomes mind boggling. We're just 295 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: telling you this to give you the map, the lay 296 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: of the land. Now we have to talk about the 297 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: things that live within this strange, strange world. Estimates show 298 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: that somewhere between fifty of all life on Earth is 299 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: found under the ocean, and we'll tell you about that 300 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: life right after a quick word from our sponsor, and 301 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: we're back now over the over the commercial break. I'm 302 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: sure many of us had adventures. Perhaps some of us 303 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: are on the ocean right now, and you're probably wondering, Hey, 304 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: that's a hell of a range. Hasn't somebody done any 305 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: kind of more robust research on this? They were probably 306 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: also thinking, wow, should I really be out right now? Especially, 307 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: I mean I am on the ocean kind of isolated, 308 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: but still but he has been, uh, I mean, really, 309 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: we we keep talking about this is just given the 310 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: sheer size of the oceans, of the seas, what we're 311 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: talking about here, it's impossible to know exactly how many 312 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: different species live out there, and and all the different 313 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: types of species, right and humans. The scientists, people who 314 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: have been studying this for you know, hundreds and thousands 315 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: of years, estimate that between a third maybe two thirds 316 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: of the things that live in the oceans have yet 317 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: to be classified. Maybe they've been spotted a few of 318 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: them once or twice, but they haven't actually been you know, 319 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: written down and cataloged as hey this is another new species. 320 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: But even more just have never been seen. Yeah, that's 321 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I love that you point that out there, 322 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: that because we know that there are tails of plenty 323 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: big fish stories abound, but having something scientifically classified means 324 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: that someone has been able to fit it into a 325 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: taxonomy of some sort. This is related to these other 326 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: things that we know, and this is kind of where 327 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: it lives and what it does before it dies. So 328 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: we we we might not know of that easily, we 329 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: do know for sure two things. First, we know that 330 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: populations of undiscovered maritime animals are probably in decline the 331 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: way that populations of discovered and classified maritime animals are. Secondly, 332 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: and pretty disturbingly, we know that we don't know everything 333 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: that's out there, but we have a wealth of scientific 334 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: research and a wealth of historical allegations if you want 335 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: to call folklore something a little more spicy. And what's 336 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: interesting about all of humanities research into the world beneath 337 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: the boats? Uh? Is this it quickly sentence into legend, 338 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: into mythology. Sailors have been reporting tales of gigantic sea 339 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: monsters since pretty much the first time human beings got 340 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: onto boats, got into the ocean, and then made it 341 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: back to land alive. Just think about the first time 342 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: someone saw a whale, the first time someone saw a 343 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: whale while on a ship. WHOA, that must have been 344 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: mind blowing. And what do you because you have no 345 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: way of imagining even what it is when you observe 346 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: a creature, a sea creature like that. And that's kind 347 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: of what we're gonna be talking about here, the early 348 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: visions of something underneath the water that we don't know 349 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: what it is. Can you imagine being that first person 350 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: to see the whale and then immediately after being stricken 351 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: by awe and majesty of it all, thinking, man, it 352 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: sure would be cool to murder that thing with a 353 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: pointy stick. Yeah, you have murdered. There might be a 354 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: lot of food. Perhaps you know that that could be 355 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: a motivation one of the first encounters where it was 356 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: what if what we know about humans remains true, then 357 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: probably one of the first encounters was somebody seeing it 358 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: while they were on the shore from a distance and 359 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: then uh, finding it was edible. Maybe one washed up 360 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: on the shore, which could happen even before the day's 361 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: widespread sonar. Absolutely, So let's let's get into some of 362 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: the specific examples of strange reports of gigantic things within 363 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: the water. Now, the first one we're gonna talk about 364 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: here is something called Leviathan. This is probably a word 365 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: you've heard before. For me, I got it from magic 366 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: cards and the Bible. It's a fantastic word. It's been 367 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: used in the past to describe all kinds of different 368 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: purported massive sea creatures. Leviathan was described in the Bible 369 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: as a giant, primordial, sometimes multi headed sea serpent of sorts. 370 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: It makes six appearances in the Old Testament, and according 371 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: to Biblical scholars, in some places, when the within the 372 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: Bible Leviathan, the word refers to an actual physical creature, 373 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: and other times it functions more as a symbolic representation 374 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: of God's power or wrath, which you know, those two 375 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: different things. Many times are where arguments lie within translations 376 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: of the Bible. Um. I was wondering, guys, could I 377 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: just give you a couple different descriptions of some of 378 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: the Greek mythology descriptions of sea monsters. Just really fast? 379 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: But can you slow it down a little bit, Matt, 380 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: not too fast. I want to be able to keep up. Okay, Well, 381 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a quote of a monstrous fish 382 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: for um that was written in fifteen fifty five by 383 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Olus Magus. Quote. Their forms are horrible. Their heads square, 384 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: all set with prickles, and they have long, sharp horns 385 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: round about like a tree rooted up by the roots. 386 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: They are ten or twelve cubits, long, very black, with 387 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: huge eyes. The apple of the eye is of one cubit, 388 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: and it is red and fiery colored, which in the 389 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: dark night appears to fishermen afar from underwaters as a 390 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: burning fire, having hairs like goose feathers. What is that 391 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: describing matt That doesn't sound like any living sea creature 392 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: that I'm familiar with. It's describing a giant monster fish. Yeah, 393 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: that's what I thought, just making sure I was keeping up. Okay, alright, 394 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: what else he got? But it's thought that perhaps what 395 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: was actually seen there was a giant squid, just due 396 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: to other descriptions. Well, but it's got it's got it's 397 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: got horns like trees. Though, what on a iron squid 398 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: has horns like trees? I don't know. What's a cuban? 399 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: That's a big measurement, right, I mean, I know it's 400 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: like an ancient form of measurement. But it's like like 401 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: a yard, right or something along those lines. I believe 402 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: we've talked about that in a couple of other episodes. 403 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: Exactly what a cub it is in the measurement. Uh oh, 404 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: it's like the length of your arm. Yeah, from your 405 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: elbow to your to your fingers. Yeah. Just one more 406 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: here from the Odyssey, if you guys are cool with it, 407 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: there's a sea monster called the uh scila or skia 408 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: uh Skyla. Maybe I can't I can't remember from my 409 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: days of learning about Greek myths, but here's here's the quote. 410 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: Her legs, and there are twelve are like great tentacles, 411 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: un jointed, and upon her serpent necks are born six 412 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: heads like nightmares of ferocity and triple serried rows of 413 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: fangs and deep gullets of black death half her length. 414 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: She sways her heads in air. Oh, gullets of black death. 415 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: I like that one. Really creepy. But again, it sounds 416 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: a little bit like it could be a giant squid 417 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: that was observed and just there was no understanding of 418 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: what it was. And so there are multiple, multiple examples. Uh. 419 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: You know, typically in the West, we we tend to 420 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: think of things that occurred in the Atlantic, or Mediterranean 421 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: or the Middle East. Uh, you know, from Middle Eastern cultures, 422 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: Phoenicians and so on. What example from Nordic folklore would 423 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: of course be the kracking. I think a lot of 424 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: us were waiting for the cracking to show up. This 425 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: was a cryptid before the word existed, wreaking havoc from 426 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: Norway to Greenland. But the vast majority of people of 427 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: Nordic people believed in this thing, and many thought they 428 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: had seen it. It's m o was to attack vessels 429 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: with its tentacles wrapping around a ship, and if unable 430 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: to pull the ship down, this creature would begins circling 431 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: the vessel, creating a maelstrom or a vortex that would 432 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: drag the ship beneath the waves. Legend said the kraken 433 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: could devour the entire crew of a ship in a 434 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: single go. One of our first documented allegations of this 435 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: creature's existence dates back to a story written in eleven 436 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: eighty c e by a King Zverir of Norway. And 437 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: this is I want to point out here, and I 438 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: think I talked about this in a previous episode. The 439 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: idea of a creature devouring an entire ship might seem 440 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: outlandish now, but we have to remember the average size 441 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: of a ship was much smaller back then. So what 442 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: would have been considered a big ship attacked and destroyed 443 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: by a fish is you know, it's not as big 444 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: as the mega yachts of today. But still these people, again, 445 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: there are people. They're as smart as anyone listening today. 446 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: In right the brain, the hardware hasn't evolved all that much, 447 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: so we have to ask, if these things are so dangerous, 448 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: why would you mess with them at all. In the 449 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: case of the kracking, it's because there was enormous profit 450 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: or potential for profit. The kracking was accompanied by large, large, 451 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: ginormous schools of fish that would follow it around and 452 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: when its surfaced, when it breached the water, fish cascaded 453 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: off the creature's back, and that meant that if your 454 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: boat was around, all you had to do was literally 455 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: have a net in the water, and then you could 456 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: get more fish then than you would in months otherwise. 457 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: Pretty cool. That's a kind of a net positive sea 458 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: monster side effect because oh man, I didn't even catch that, 459 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: but now you know, the cracking definitely sounds like a 460 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: giant squid. Now, yeah, we see a lot of descriptions 461 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: of tentacles, you know what I mean. We see a 462 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: lot of descriptions of pretty agro, pretty big, many armed thing. 463 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: And of course, at this point, finally getting to say 464 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: this on air, Hail Hydra, shout out to the myth 465 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: of old uh more on that later. But you know 466 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: that's another that's another Greek myth I believe in the 467 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: story of Hydro. The idea is that you lop off 468 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: one one head. It's a multi headed beast, you lop 469 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: off one head and to grow in its place. It's 470 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: also done a lot for the Marvel cinematic universe, which 471 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure is what the Greeks were thinking about when 472 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: they wrote that. No question, they were laying the groundwork. 473 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: Uh So, next we have um something from Japan, a creature, 474 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: a sea wrecking creature known as the Umi Bozoo that 475 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: was rumored to attack specifically in calm waters, where it 476 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: would rise up, creating this kind of self contained maelstrom 477 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: and described as a black phantom with two huge eyes. Okay, 478 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: just phantom. I'm picturing like ghost shaped, you know. So 479 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: let's just again, We're gonna come back to this um 480 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: two huge eyes, and in the lore of the time, 481 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: this Omi Bozoo was thought to be a spirit of 482 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: some sort rather than an actual corporeal creature. And the 483 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: only way to escape this thing um was to kind 484 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: of almost like distract it like a cat, uh, you know, 485 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: with like a like a mouse toy or like a 486 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: feather um. But they would use what they referred to 487 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: as a bottomless barrel, and I had to offer my 488 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: ask Ben to clarify what the hell that is? And 489 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty simple when you think about it. The 490 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: bottomless barrel is a barrel with no bottom, a cylinder. 491 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: Let me take out both ends and it becomes bottomless 492 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: and infinite. Uh. And then it would just like be 493 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: all it what if the hell is this? I gotta 494 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And then you just sail away while 495 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: it's confused. That's the thing about folklore, right, we see 496 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: the truth but told slant as Emily Dickinson would later 497 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: go on to note, what's odd about this and what 498 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: differentiates this folklore from a lot of other folklore throughout 499 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: human civilization ulmost as human and pre human civilization. But 500 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: no spoilers, that's a different episode. Is that the folklore 501 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: here does have often provable I will say provable seeds 502 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: of the truth. There's the little grain of sand, uh 503 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: that makes the pearl of legend. Research shows the ocean 504 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: has indisputably been home to enormous, dangerous creatures in the 505 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: distant past. It's home to enormous dangerous creatures now, of course, 506 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: but it was also home to things like the meglodon. Yes, 507 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: the meglodon that was a big old shark three times 508 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: the size of a great white with teeth as big 509 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: as your hand. I hope they're really extinct. Oh, man, 510 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, Man, I I kind of hope they're 511 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: still around. Not around me specifically, but just like out 512 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: in the world megalodonni. Even you said it yourself, the 513 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: populations of sea creatures are declining. What's that megalodon doing 514 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: other than just slurping up sea creatures or mashing them 515 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: violently with its teeth that are the size of fists. 516 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: My heart goes out to sharks. They're amazing animals if 517 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: you look at the mechanism of their evolution and adaptation, 518 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: and also their existence seems very stressful to me since 519 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: they the way that their gills are structured. They can't act, 520 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: they can't stand still. They always have to keep moving 521 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: and forcing water through the gills. It's stressful. But even 522 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: if a megalodon was around now, it would not be 523 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: the largest creature. Uh. The ocean is home to proven 524 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: like kaiju size things, right like the blue whale is sorry, 525 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: dinosaurs officially the largest single animal ever confirmed to exist ever. Oh, 526 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: by the way, you guys, remember there was an episode 527 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: a while back where space whales came up and I 528 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: was trying to wreck my brain, like where have I 529 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: seen space whales? And I said, I thought it was 530 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: as artists French artists Mobius, and then I thought it 531 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: was maybe Salvador Dolly or something, and a listener wrote 532 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: in and said it was actually from an episode of Futurama. 533 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: I wish I remember the listener's name, but if you're 534 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: hearing this, thank you listener. Uh my brain was was 535 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,959 Speaker 1: eating itself over that one, basically, but yeah, it's true. 536 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: And I you know, I've I've mentioned that I'm also 537 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: I have an abiding fear of large things that lurk 538 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: beneath the depths, and that I often have had dreams 539 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: where I feel myself as the spec in this massive 540 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: ocean with like huge unseen things kind of lurking about, 541 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: and then like a whale will come up under me 542 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: and just sort of scooped me up and it doesn't 543 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: eat me. It's just more this like kind of fear 544 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: of its sheer size. And it's true. The blue whale 545 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: is absolutely massive. I mean you're gonna know it when 546 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: it comes up under you in the ocean, or when 547 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: you see it, hopefully from the safety of like you know, 548 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: one of those tours, those boat tours. Um, a hundred 549 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: people can fit into its mouth, not it's guts. Its mouth. Uh, 550 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: it's heart is the size of a small car. Maybe 551 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: maybe not even a small car. Ben, what do you 552 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: think a medium car, like a like a midsized suv. 553 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: It's it's a car that could comfortably seat four to 554 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: five people, got it, okay? Um? And the beat of 555 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: that heart can be detected from two miles away. But 556 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: we've got some other things on the list of of 557 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: of massive underwater dwelling creatures, things like sperm whales, the 558 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: whale shark, the basking shark, and of course our pal 559 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: and yours, the giant Pacific octopus. Not to mention the 560 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: lion's main jellyfish, which can reach more than a hundred 561 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: twenty ft or thirty six point six meters in length. 562 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: But the lions Maine is mostly creepy tentacles, right or not? 563 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: Tentacles creepy? Are they called tentacles in a in a 564 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: jelly fish? There? Um tendrils, Yeah, terrifying lions main tendrils. 565 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: Those really freak me out? Do jellyfish give you? Guys? 566 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: The same kind of feelings when you're thinking about swimming 567 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: in the ocean. I think they're beautiful to look at 568 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: in an aquarium tank, But yeah, I mean they do 569 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: because they're they're stingy boys, right, I mean they will. 570 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: They will mess you up and then you gotta pee 571 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: on yourself. Not not all hashtag not all jellyfish right 572 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: are poisonous, But I I personally I love them. I 573 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: think it's like watching a cloud underwater or uh, you know, 574 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: a nebula through a telescope. Also jellyfish. At least one 575 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: tiny species of jellyfish occupies a top ten position in 576 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: Ben's list of top ten animals. Because it's functionally immortal. 577 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: You remember that when matt it uh it grows up 578 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: and then if it's injured or something that returns to 579 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: a juvenile phase and lives its life again. Uh, we did. 580 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: We did an episode on real life immortality, uh a 581 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 1: number of years ago now, and uh there is real 582 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: life immortality at least for some animals. And they're all 583 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: pretty crappy versions of immortality. So uh but yes, I will, 584 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: I will say the jellyfish outside of their their waters, 585 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: they don't hold up so well. They're super blobby and 586 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: like like a thing that you'd want to step over, 587 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: you know, on the beach, and if they are stingy ones, 588 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: you definitely would want to step over them. But it 589 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: just goes to show how specifically adapted they are for 590 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: life in the ocean, as as the case with with 591 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: all of the creatures we're talking about today. They they 592 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: don't they cannot hold up outside of the water, but 593 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: some of those mental wars are very difficult to detect, 594 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: and they've got really long tendrils and you would never 595 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: know is there and and it would kill humans. Okay, 596 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: maybe I just have a weird well well also, uh, 597 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: that's not to sound like a jerk, but one of 598 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: the reasons I really wanted to hit the idea of 599 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: specificity of adaptation is should humans be under the water? 600 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: How far should we be under the water? You know 601 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like if you're I, I don't want 602 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: to like victim blame or anything, because I know life 603 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: is crazy and everybody's the main character of their own story. 604 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: But uh, the but maybe maybe jellyfish and and uh 605 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: attacking leviathans are a sign that we should uh, we 606 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't go too far into the depths. I mean, the 607 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: more you think about it, it makes sense to ask 608 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: could there still be enormous creatures out there in the brine. 609 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: One of the things we talked about off air as 610 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: we were diving into this episode was Jules Verne, of course, 611 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: is famous eighteen seventy novel Twenty Leagues under the Sea. 612 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: Don't think too much about the unit of measurement there, 613 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: just to enjoy the poetic title. There's there's a quote 614 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: here from Verne that applies to this episode, and it's this, 615 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: either we do know all the varieties of beings which 616 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: people our planet, or we do not. If we do 617 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: not know them all, if nature still has secrets in 618 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: the deeps, for us, nothing is more conformable to reason 619 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: than to admit the existence of fishes or cetaceans of 620 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: other kinds or even of new species. So could uh 621 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: sea monsters be real? We'll we'll dive right into that 622 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: after a quick sponsor break. Here's where it gets crazy, 623 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: and it does get crazy. Quincy monsters be real? This 624 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: genuinely depends on how you define monster. If we're talking 625 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: about monsters as in creatures of monstrous size, then our 626 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: odds of finding one understandably go down. But they don't 627 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: go down as far as you might think, because we 628 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: still have a lot to learn about the ocean, but 629 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: we're learning more about it now than ever before. Yes, 630 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: that is correct. Numerous governments and their militaries are able 631 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: to detect the movement of very large objects from far 632 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: away when it comes to things submerged in the ocean. 633 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: And as we talked about on our episode, we covered 634 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: not that long ago about sonar and its effects on 635 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: marine animals. Earths oceans essentially have like roaming detection networks 636 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: in the form of submarines, which is very very true, 637 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: and commercial shipping vessels. And there's also purported technology g 638 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: that maybe the U. S Military and other militaries have 639 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: miked up the oceans to a to a large degree, 640 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: So they're confirmed. I think it's confirmed. I think it 641 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: is confirmed to I. I know it is confirmed at 642 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: least from the US's side, But I wonder how many 643 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: other countries have something similar in place. I mean, yeah, 644 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: that's a very good point, Matt. And we essentially have 645 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: some form of roaming detection networks. They're meant to detect 646 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: other works of humanity more so than other animals, but 647 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: they work. That's why we spent billions building them, and 648 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: we still have found huge, occluded, disturbing things. So one 649 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: thing it was tough for us to not spoil in 650 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: the Hear of the Facts portion of today's show is 651 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: that the source of many many UH sea serpent and 652 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: see monster myths across the across the centuries, turns out 653 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: probably to be based in the real thing, the colossal 654 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 1: or the giant squid. Today it's known as Archi tais 655 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: Duke's uh. It's as old a like. Rumors of this 656 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: are as old as the first days of sailing. Honestly, 657 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: but for centuries the only proof we had was really creepy, 658 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: really circumstantial, disturbing stuff. Nearly unidentifiable carcasses wash ashore, the 659 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: lone survivor of a shipwreck shows up with you know, 660 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: like with missing crew members and a nineteen foot tentacle 661 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: that's rotting in the sun. And and and then we find, 662 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: you know, giant known creatures, especially sperm whales in the 663 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: in the era of whaling, right, you know the movie 664 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: dick Day's uh and and beyond, you would find whales 665 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: that had cars like gigantic sucker marks that were wrought 666 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 1: by some unknown animal. Or you would find these gigantic beaks. 667 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 1: They looked like kaiju beaks. They looked like the beaks 668 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: of a squid that no God would ever put on 669 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 1: this planet, right, because these are very religious people finding 670 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: these two. And it wasn't until maybe in your lifetime, 671 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists, that scientists finally got a photograph of 672 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: a real life cracking and that was just like one 673 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: blurry paparazzi under the sea's photo, you know, that was yeah, 674 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: that was alive, right, it was Oh, there's one swimmer. 675 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't a carcass, wasn't some remnant, It was an 676 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: actual thing swimming around. And then think about this, it 677 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 1: wasn't until the you know, the Mayan Apocalypse. I'm sorry, 678 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: when we acquired actual video footage of a live giant 679 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: squid existing in its in its environment, because there was 680 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 1: there was another time earlier than that where a giant 681 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: squid was I believe caught essentially and pulled up to 682 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: the surface by the Japanese fishing vessel. That was the 683 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: one we were just talking about, right. The two was 684 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: that two thousand six maybe I think something around that 685 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: time where one got pulled up from from the depths 686 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: to the surface just in the act of a large 687 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: fishing operation. But yeah, two thousand twelve as well, we 688 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: acquired actual video footage of a giant squid. Oh and 689 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: it was creepy. And you know, if you guys ever 690 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: seen that that Noah Baumbach movie The Squid in the Whale, Uh, 691 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: it references a diorama that you can see at the 692 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: Museum of Natural History in New York of a massive 693 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: sperm whale essentially doing battle with one of these cracking 694 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: like creatures. And it's pretty epic to to look at 695 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: um still on display there as far as I know, Yeah, 696 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 1: it was there last time I went. I love that museum. 697 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: It's Uh, I don't know. A lot of that museum 698 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: is dark when you get into the exhibits. Like dark museums, 699 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: these creatures like dark areas of the water. They live 700 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 1: in very deep areas of the ocean as far as 701 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: we can tell. Again, we know very little about them. 702 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: They're anywhere from hundred to three thousand feet down. Uh. 703 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: We know that they can grow larger than some whales. 704 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 1: The only predator of theirs we know about is the 705 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: sperm whale. Uh. But we don't know how large these 706 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: things can get yet. We know that they are stronger 707 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: than an elephant. We know that a bite from their 708 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: beak has enough force to sever steal cables. Uh. This 709 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: means that if one of these made it to the 710 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,399 Speaker 1: surface in the days of wooden boats, that boat would 711 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: in short, well, it's a family show, so I'm just 712 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,399 Speaker 1: gonna say they would be very deep trouble. Yeah, well 713 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: what if you're what if your ship has a steel hole, 714 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to matter. These we can puncture that. Yeah, 715 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: just stay on their good side. I mean. The craziest 716 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: thing about this, it's a real life sea monster. It 717 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 1: fits some of the qualities we described, right, and we've 718 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: know so very little about it. We still have a 719 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: lot of questions about large sea animals that everybody is 720 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: kind of familiar with. Right, there's a lot of stuff 721 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: we don't understand about whales. We know even less about 722 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: these things. As recently as June of this year. Last month, 723 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: as we record this, we learned new stuff about these monsters. 724 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: A juvenile version of them washed up on the shores 725 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: of South Africa. This is not the first time it happened, 726 00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: but this creature was already thirteen ft long. That's baby 727 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,320 Speaker 1: size for these guys. Right, it's a mini me of 728 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: a giant squid, but it was just about two years old. 729 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: We also don't know how long they live. We don't 730 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: know how big they grow while they're alive. Uh. And 731 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: they're not the only thing out there. I mean, I 732 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,919 Speaker 1: I say we go full love Craft. Well, let's point 733 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: out that the ocean is also home to giants deep 734 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: sea worms. When we say giant, we mean giant. They 735 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: also glow in the dark. So you know, these guys 736 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: well as individuals, wouldn't necessarily be considered in the same 737 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: um league. Ha ha. That's a that's a sea punt 738 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: as well as the rest of these animals that were 739 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 1: talking about today. Um, they're called pyrosomes and they're free 740 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 1: floating uh tunicates. They're also known as the unicorns of 741 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: the sea. Um. But they're they're pretty big. They're you know, 742 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: they're big enough for a human to ride. But they 743 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,720 Speaker 1: also kind of create these massive swarms. Um. They're soft 744 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: and delicate like some sort of like feather bowa perhaps 745 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: and um. Again, like ben off Off, Mike pointed out 746 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: that these are really in kind of on a technicality, 747 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: sea monster by default. That's because each of the worms 748 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: is actually a colony of thousands of individual creatures, and 749 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: the individuals themselves are super tiny. It's almost like operating 750 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: this crazy hive mind type situation. Yeah. Yeah, they're like 751 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 1: a big commune, you know. And jellyfish often also are 752 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: creatures of colony or high But these giant seaworms are 753 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 1: also we should mention because Chekhov's gun rule, right, we did, 754 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,399 Speaker 1: we did name drop Lovecraft, so we have to follow 755 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: up on that. These worms are not eldritch objects of 756 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: worship sleeping beneath the waves for AONs waiting for the 757 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: stars to be right. This is not a case of 758 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,880 Speaker 1: that is not dead, which can eternal lie and with 759 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: strange ans even death may die kind of thing. It's not, 760 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: it's not we're not at Cathulhu level yet. But Matt Noel, 761 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: while we are on the subject of waking ancient creatures, 762 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: it's time to ask, what's about the other monsters. We 763 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,399 Speaker 1: have sea monster news for you. Well, as we stated before, 764 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: we've been talking about giant monsters right there. We've been 765 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: describing monsters as something that is monster us in its size. 766 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: But there could be something very dangerous, very frightening that 767 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: isn't giant. They could be discovered down below the depths. 768 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,320 Speaker 1: And we have some news for you. This year, scientists 769 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,439 Speaker 1: made a discovery that future historians will doubt. The league 770 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:06,800 Speaker 1: called classic you know why. They found one hundred million 771 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,399 Speaker 1: year old microbes beneath the sea floor in the South 772 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: Pacific Guyer. This is a site east of Australia where 773 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: ocean currents intersect, and this is considered to be one 774 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: of the the areas of the ocean that has the 775 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,240 Speaker 1: least amount of life. Right some of the deadest parts 776 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: of the ocean, where it's almost there's almost no nutrients 777 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: here that animals need to survive. These scientists dug down 778 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,240 Speaker 1: very far, five thousand, seven hundred meters below sea level, 779 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: and they found something that had been in a Lovecraftian way, 780 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: slumbering since before the age of men. Yeah, these things 781 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 1: looked as though they were dead. Uh. And and it's 782 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: already a grape find, you know, go science, there is 783 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: already a groundbreaking discovery to find evidence of these things 784 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 1: that were once alive. Uh. So they brought him back 785 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: to the lab. They brought the clay cores they had 786 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 1: dug up as as you had mentioned, Matt, back to 787 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: their lab where they found these microbes. And they said, 788 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: oh wow, this is amazing. There was once life in 789 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,800 Speaker 1: this part of the South Pacific. Guy or I don't know, 790 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: Let's feed them, which which sounds weird, right. It's a 791 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: lot like finding a dead body and saying, let's say, 792 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: let's put a sandwich by it. Let's just come on, 793 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 1: let's put a sandwich by it. It's just between us, 794 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: we're all we're all buddies here. Uh. And what happened 795 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: is that these microbes, these dead bodies, got up and 796 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 1: ate the sandwich. And what happened after that is they 797 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: started reproducing. They started breeding something that had been dormant 798 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 1: for millions of years, just came back to life. One 799 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: of the scientists I love and scientists talked this way. 800 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: One of the scientists said that this indicates the insane 801 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: possibility whenever scientists use the word in saying you know 802 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: what there, you know, something rocked them. Uh. This scientist 803 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 1: said that these very same microbes must have been or 804 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 1: may have been probably were sitting in the same place 805 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:23,880 Speaker 1: for AONs and that that is pure love crafty and stuff. 806 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: Lovecraft is a terrible person, uh, not a great writer, 807 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: but a fantastic world builder. And the idea of undersea 808 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 1: creatures slumbering and being awoken by man now we can 809 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: say in this happened, this happened, Lovecraft is in a 810 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,360 Speaker 1: way real now and that's just the beginning. If we 811 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,439 Speaker 1: go back to the statistics Matt Noel and I talked 812 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: about at the beginning of this episode, we see some 813 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: possibilities this story is and over, given what little we 814 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,240 Speaker 1: know about the ocean, getting very little, it is scientifically 815 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,759 Speaker 1: indisputably true that we do not at this point know 816 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: every single species of life currently living in there or 817 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: you know, sleeping for dreamless dark millennia and given the 818 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: global reach of sonar and other detection methods radar, etcetera. Shure, 819 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: it's plausible to say we have a solid chance of 820 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: detecting an undiscovered life form if it takes a few boxes, 821 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 1: that's right. Um, it really needs to have a relatively 822 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: large population. Uh. It needs to be pretty frequently on 823 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 1: the move and spend at least some time in that 824 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,719 Speaker 1: smaller part of the ocean that we talked about, that 825 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 1: metropolis that we study pretty extensively. Um. And it also 826 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: is helpful if it praised a lot on other easily 827 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,880 Speaker 1: detected species. But um, if it doesn't exhibit these traits, 828 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,719 Speaker 1: our odds of finding drop quite significantly. Yeah, it's true. 829 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard for us to just accidentally stumble 830 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: upon something new, right if it doesn't have that large 831 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,760 Speaker 1: population and all those things we just listed. Does anybody 832 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,320 Speaker 1: else feel like it's a bad idea to awaken an 833 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:19,399 Speaker 1: old microbes just in case maybe there's something involved there 834 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,279 Speaker 1: that happened to help the extinction process with you know, 835 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: life on Earth. Yes, yes I do, I do. I 836 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:32,800 Speaker 1: do think that thing, Matt the dice, I you know 837 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,279 Speaker 1: what I mean? Uh, it we are seeing this happen 838 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: in other places. You know, it's not just underwater. Uh, well, 839 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: I guess it kind of is, because yeah, because ice, 840 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's just just fancier water. So ice is 841 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: fancy water. Great as our takeaway, please just remember that 842 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: out of all this stuff we did today. But yeah, 843 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,319 Speaker 1: you know, you make an excellent point. They're in old because, uh, 844 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: we can this isn't just speculation in our part. We 845 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 1: know that the discovery of extremophiles took forever. Creatures that 846 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,920 Speaker 1: live by these geothermal vents on the ocean floor. They 847 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 1: are living off the energy exuded from those vents. So 848 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,919 Speaker 1: they're not consuming very well known other species. Uh, they're 849 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,920 Speaker 1: not moving around a lot because they have to be 850 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 1: by those events to survive. So with those two pieces missing, 851 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 1: it would take us a while to find them. And 852 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 1: this leaves us with um two notes. You know, one 853 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,399 Speaker 1: is disturbing, one is distressing, or on one's a little 854 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: more emo, a little sad. Let's go with that one first. 855 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: It may well be that we do discover some gigantic species, 856 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,440 Speaker 1: some real life sea monster, sea serpent, what have you, 857 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 1: But we discover it after it becomes functionally extinct. We 858 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: find the last of a relic population. We find that 859 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,360 Speaker 1: they are unable to breathe. We find that the Anthroposcene 860 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 1: has signed their death warrant, and we're just seeing the 861 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 1: dying echoes of what they once were at that poor 862 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,840 Speaker 1: Cela can't yep, there's only one yep. Look, it's the 863 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,959 Speaker 1: last Cracking. The new film by Wes Anderson, the Crack 864 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: was played by Edward Norton, and as it turns out, 865 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,240 Speaker 1: the Cracking a perfectly symmetrical creature, so that really works 866 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,799 Speaker 1: out for his means. On Sam, I was really hoping 867 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna say Bill Murray, but we can go with that. 868 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,239 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, wait wait change it. Cracking is Bill Murray. 869 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 1: Uh you heard it? Oh my god. This this can 870 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 1: be a crossover between the Stuff they Don't Want you 871 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 1: to Know Cinematic Universe and the Ridiculous History Cinematic Universe, 872 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,040 Speaker 1: where we have a movie coming out in the December 873 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 1: of this year for Christmas called Hans, about a horse 874 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,920 Speaker 1: that could solve math problems, played by who do we say, 875 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,080 Speaker 1: Daniel day Lewis two people, Yes, that's right, Finn wolf 876 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,480 Speaker 1: Finn Wolfard as the clever Hans and then he grows 877 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,520 Speaker 1: up into Daniel day Lewis sized clever Hans. But yeah, 878 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: I love this idea. So this it's not as Wes 879 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,760 Speaker 1: Anderson cute. If this happens in real life, our species 880 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,360 Speaker 1: will encounter a macro level of a type of sadness uh, 881 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 1: known as saunder. If you guys have ever heard this, 882 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: it's a it's a manufactured word. All words are manufactured, 883 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,000 Speaker 1: so you know ten tabulation. I don't care make up 884 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: your own words. It's a living language. But saunder is 885 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: a really neat word. That means the realization that each 886 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: random passer by is living a life is vivid and 887 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: complex as your own, populated with their own ambitions, friends, routines, 888 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,400 Speaker 1: worries and so on, story that continues invisibly around you, 889 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,600 Speaker 1: like an ant hill sprawling deep underground, and they live 890 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 1: a life that you'll never know existed. You might only 891 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,760 Speaker 1: appear once as someone passing by or lighted window in 892 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: the dark. So not to be too waxing poetic, but 893 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 1: how terrible is it too that we might find something 894 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,640 Speaker 1: right after we've killed it, uh, the second day we 895 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,120 Speaker 1: have to remember And this is the real this is 896 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 1: a real conspiratorial stuff here. It's a bit of a 897 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 1: thought experiment. A lot of the knowledge that we have 898 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 1: about the world's oceans comes from private corporations. It comes 899 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,880 Speaker 1: from blue ocean navies, both of which are incentivized heavily 900 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 1: to keep secrets. So it is possible, not plausible, but 901 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,880 Speaker 1: possible that something might have been found already in the 902 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,560 Speaker 1: cost of revealing it to the world were outweighed by 903 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 1: the profit motive of keeping something else. Uh a margin, right, 904 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,320 Speaker 1: or a promising dig or maybe you know you're a 905 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 1: military you've detected something, detected some big animal on its 906 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: last legs, but if you tell people you discovered it, 907 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: then they'll know you have some sort of classified detection 908 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,360 Speaker 1: technology and then boom, billions of dollars down the marry 909 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: honest trench there. I don't think I probably that's not happening. 910 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,920 Speaker 1: That's just that's it's like a comic book level, exciting world. 911 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't think you're off base there at all. Then 912 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: I feel all of that, specifically the classified detection tech, 913 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: because I want to believe that there are more efficient 914 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,640 Speaker 1: forms of the kinds of detection technologies that we have 915 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,720 Speaker 1: now that just we can't that can't be shared. You're right, 916 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:43,880 Speaker 1: for proprietary reasons. And now again, like you said, Man Matt, 917 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,760 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that support. There there I see enabling 918 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,640 Speaker 1: You might be enabling us a little bit. And listeners, 919 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 1: but and that doesn't mean extraterrestrial technology. It just means 920 00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:02,600 Speaker 1: advanced technology. Yeah, agreed. And while this idea of sea monsters, 921 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,360 Speaker 1: if to put it in a sentence, this idea that 922 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 1: sea monsters exist, that they're being hidden by, you know, uh, 923 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: an oil conglomerate or a navy, a blue water navy 924 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: of some sort. While that definitely sounds like sci fi 925 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,400 Speaker 1: comic book stuff or fodder for an excellent screenplay, a 926 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,640 Speaker 1: sci fi channel screenplay, the truth is stranger things have 927 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,480 Speaker 1: happened out there beneath the waves. So what do you 928 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,000 Speaker 1: think listeners now we hand uh, you know what, like 929 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: the meme, you're the captain now, so what do you 930 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,520 Speaker 1: think could be out there? You have the trawler, you 931 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 1: you're in control. Um, yeah, but honestly, what do you 932 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 1: think is out there? Is there anything that you have 933 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,800 Speaker 1: seen when you've been out on the ocean or maybe 934 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,600 Speaker 1: in the ocean on a dive, maybe you've been in 935 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 1: a submersible before. We would love to hear about your experiences, 936 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,640 Speaker 1: or maybe you've worked on a rig that would be 937 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: cool tell us about that. Anything you want to mention 938 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,280 Speaker 1: that we've discussed on this episode, or if you want 939 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,680 Speaker 1: to give us a suggestion for another episode, you can 940 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: find us. We're all over social media on Instagram, we 941 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 1: are conspiracy stuff. Show on Facebook and Twitter were conspiracy stuff. Yes, 942 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: all of these things are true. And in addition, if 943 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,360 Speaker 1: you want to get in on the fun with your 944 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,120 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists, why not head over to Facebook and 945 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,720 Speaker 1: join our group. Here's where it gets crazy, easiest thing 946 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 1: in the world. Just name one too, three of us, 947 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 1: a super producer to all of us, make a joke 948 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,080 Speaker 1: that makes Ben laugh, reference something that's in an episode. Whatever, 949 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: We're pretty easy and you're in um a great place 950 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 1: to share memes and just have conversation. Couldn't be a 951 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,520 Speaker 1: cooler group of folks on there. Here's where it gets 952 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,919 Speaker 1: crazy on Facebook. And hey, while you're at it. While 953 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,520 Speaker 1: you're on the internet, why not go over to Apple 954 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Podcasts and leave us a glowing review because it really 955 01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 1: does help kind of bump the show up in in 956 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,480 Speaker 1: the rankings and also helps people discover and as we're 957 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,880 Speaker 1: entering this brave new world of our five days a 958 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,600 Speaker 1: week thing. Let us know how you dig it um 959 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,720 Speaker 1: and do it in a public forum so others will 960 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,280 Speaker 1: follow in your path. And if you are one of 961 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,480 Speaker 1: the people out there who says I listened to your 962 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Facebook episode, I don't know why I would be on that. 963 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,360 Speaker 1: Social media in general is a bag of badgers. That's 964 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: for the birds. But I do have a phone, and 965 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 1: I have a story to tell you. Well, you are 966 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,120 Speaker 1: in luck, fellow conspiracy realists. You can call us any 967 01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 1: old time of day or night at one eight three 968 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,080 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K. You'll have a 969 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,720 Speaker 1: three ish minutes ballpark. We would love to hear from you. 970 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Let us know whether or not we can use your 971 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,680 Speaker 1: story on air. Uh. And then also, you know, if 972 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: if you feel the pressure of that ticking clock for 973 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,320 Speaker 1: that three minute time window, why not just write down 974 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,720 Speaker 1: a couple of things talking points, and you refer to 975 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,200 Speaker 1: those that that made it easier for me when I 976 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,080 Speaker 1: called into our own show for some reason. But hey, Matt, 977 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Matt Noel, A lot of times people don't like social 978 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,400 Speaker 1: media or telephones, which we totally get. If you are 979 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,080 Speaker 1: one of those folks, you are still in luck. You 980 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:18,000 Speaker 1: are trebly t R e b l Y in luck 981 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,600 Speaker 1: because you can send us a good old fashioned email 982 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,840 Speaker 1: anytime the spirit moves you. We are conspiracy at iHeart 983 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:47,080 Speaker 1: radio dot com. Stuff they don't want you to know. 984 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,360 Speaker 1: Is a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts 985 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,560 Speaker 1: from my heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 986 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.