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Speaker 1: was your weekend? My weekend was breaking At this moment.
Speaker 1: Israel underfire from Iran.
Speaker 3: It's just raining rockets with those sirens blaring out.
Speaker 4: We do effectively have World War three in progress.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not world War three. I'm still writing a
Speaker 1: rock war on all my checks. But yes, the skies
Speaker 1: above Israel were lit up like I want to say
Speaker 1: Christmas tree, but that's probably not for that area. Menora
Speaker 1: is the moment society has dreaded since the arms cysts
Speaker 1: of nineteen forty five finally upon us. As Einstein said,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what weapons World War II will be
Speaker 1: fought with, but he knows the next ones will be
Speaker 1: fought with sticks and stones. This is John Stewart signing
Speaker 1: up May God bless us and everyone, and let future
Speaker 1: civilizations know that we could not overcome our fatal nature.
Speaker 1: In the end, there was almost no damage, as Israel,
Speaker 1: the US, and other rallies shot down ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of Iran's missiles and drones. Huh, wasn't world worth three?
Speaker 1: I certainly regret doing this. I I oh boy, moment
Speaker 1: of panic and I guess sort of a primitive instinct.
Speaker 1: But is that me did I art garfulk But kudos
Speaker 1: to the United States and to Israel. It shows just
Speaker 1: how effective a military defense system can be. When you
Speaker 1: funnel American dollars away from healthcare and education, it really
Speaker 1: helps to build. And the best part is we did
Speaker 1: it with no help. The two Amigos, surrounded by hostile
Speaker 1: Arab nations united in their zeal to destroy Israel.
Speaker 5: Jordan's air force also intercepted and shot down dozens of
Speaker 5: drones that violated its airspace and were on their way
Speaker 5: to Israel.
Speaker 1: And we've now learned that Saudi Arabia and the UAE
Speaker 1: provided real time intelligence that helped track the incoming missiles.
Speaker 1: What are the teams in these wars? I don't even
Speaker 1: know the teams anymore? The Arab countries are helping Israel.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the teams are. We need to
Speaker 1: sort this out with jerseys or something, because Iran could
Speaker 1: attack at any moment.
Speaker 6: In a statement, Iran said it now considers the matter.
Speaker 1: Concluded, Hey, do you hear that we're good?
Speaker 7: We're good.
Speaker 1: We don't. By the way, he was delicious. Really that's
Speaker 1: what got me. Anyway, We're gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: Israel has vowed it will respond to Iran.
Speaker 1: All right, can I have a word with you? Middle East?
Speaker 1: Over here? A shaloma lekam trying to cover all bases. Listen,
Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't sound patronizing, but when we in
Speaker 1: the West drew your region's borders and set you up
Speaker 1: with perfectly functioning dictatorships, we expected a little better. See.
Speaker 1: The agreement was we would make up a whole new
Speaker 1: bunch of countries, some of which made sense, and in return,
Speaker 1: you would give us your delicious oil. That was the deal.
Speaker 1: You give us your delicious oil, and we take it.
Speaker 1: We certainly didn't expect to get drawn into all the
Speaker 1: drama that our actions created, and now these wars have
Speaker 1: got us all turned around. At one point, we're helping
Speaker 1: a Rock fight Iran, and then we're invading a Rock
Speaker 1: and now we're helping to Ran fight Isis. And then
Speaker 1: we're using Isis to help fight Huthis that are backed
Speaker 1: by Iran. I mean, you know in Gaza, we're actually
Speaker 1: bombing them and feeding them. How do you think that
Speaker 1: makes it feel? Oh? Oh, oh, did you have a
Speaker 1: nice sandwich?
Speaker 7: Run?
Speaker 1: Oh? And apparently now there's two kinds of Islam. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could have told us that before we got into this.
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, arbitrarily jerrymandered your homeland. So do
Speaker 1: better keep that oil coming. And by the way, we
Speaker 1: got enough trouble keeping track of our own wars. Like
Speaker 1: this weekend, our former president and illustrious historian Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump spoke near one of America's most hallowed battlefields. And
Speaker 1: if you thought Lincoln consecrated Gettysburg with his soaring rhetoric,
Speaker 1: well buckle up Gettysburg.
Speaker 4: What an un believable battle. That was the Battle of Gettysburg.
Speaker 4: What an unbelievable I mean, it was so much and
Speaker 4: so interesting, and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful
Speaker 4: in so many different ways. It represented such a big
Speaker 4: portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg.
Speaker 1: Wow. That is plagiarized almost directly from my seventh grade
Speaker 1: book report Gettysburg. Wow. I did not know, hadn't my man?
Speaker 1: It was vicious and horrible and beautiful? Is he talking
Speaker 1: about a Civil War battle or a horse giving birth? Later?
Speaker 1: It was bloody, but it's life now, obviously not a
Speaker 1: Civil war buff like but unlike me. He even knows
Speaker 1: all the famous quotes.
Speaker 4: I go to get his Burg, Pennsylvania, to look and
Speaker 4: to watch, and the statement of Roberty Lee, who's no
Speaker 4: longer in favor? Did you ever notice that no longer
Speaker 4: in favor? Never fight uphill, me, boys, Never fight uphill.
Speaker 4: They were fighting uphill? He said, Wow, that was a
Speaker 4: big mistake. He lost his great general and they were fighting.
Speaker 1: Never fight uphill, me, boys. It is. It is true
Speaker 1: the North did have the higher ground, But I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that Robert E. Lee was not a leprechaun. Ah,
Speaker 1: I never fight up here. That's not how to take
Speaker 1: back to Narth spotty, lord, you can't be fighting up
Speaker 1: here me byes also a minor point, but I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure Robert Lee would not have told them never fight uphill,
Speaker 1: since he's the one who told them to fight up hill.
Speaker 1: He wasn't like, hey, you know, they go up the hill.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so mad if they do that. They
Speaker 1: go up the hill of Long Street. Actually told him
Speaker 1: they'll go up the hill that Roberty Lee said me
Speaker 1: byes will do what they want. Although, to be fair
Speaker 1: to former President Donald Trump, he does have a lot
Speaker 1: on his mind right now.
Speaker 6: Now breaking news the first ever criminal trial involving a
Speaker 6: former president will soon get underweight.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, Donald, don't run up that Hell me bye,
Speaker 8: stay down, stay down to hear me by, stay down. Yes,
Speaker 8: After years of anticipation, our criminal trial of a former
Speaker 8: president has begun, and by all accounts, it is absolutely revetting.
Speaker 3: Forty minutes ago, you wrote to an observation that I
Speaker 3: was very surprised Trump appears to be sleeping.
Speaker 2: His head keeps dropping down and his mouth goes slack.
Speaker 1: Tell us about.
Speaker 6: That, well, Jakie appeared to be asleep.
Speaker 1: A jake? What part of head down? Ice closed? Drool
Speaker 1: coming of his mouth? Do you not get over here?
Speaker 1: He's snoring, he's doing the hong shoe, he's doing the
Speaker 1: me There's a piece of paper going up and down
Speaker 1: and up and down in his mouth. He's asleep. Imagine
Speaker 1: committing so many crimes you get bored at your own trial.
Speaker 1: Move on to the good stuff nowth in case, in
Speaker 1: case you've lost track, this is the trial where Trump
Speaker 1: allegedly paid hush money to an adult film star that
Speaker 1: he slept with and then allegedly falsified business records to
Speaker 1: cover it up. Or, as Trump would put it.
Speaker 9: This is an elegical persecution. This is a persecution like
Speaker 9: never before. Nobody's ever seated a big like it. And again,
Speaker 9: it's a case that should have never been brooked. It's
Speaker 9: to the soul character. And that's why I'm hurried for
Speaker 9: having to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, it's true. Trump is always very proud to be
Speaker 1: part of any assault on America. Look even oh worse, Yes,
Speaker 1: mister Stewart, we agree. Look, even if the prosecution is
Speaker 1: a bit of a stretch, it's not persecution. The guy's
Speaker 1: not Nelson Mandela or Jesus.
Speaker 4: I don't mind being Nelson Mandela because I'm doing it
Speaker 4: for a reason.
Speaker 6: Trump also shared two articles that compared him to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 6: One was titled quote the Crucifixion of Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Hi don't let him crucify me. Boy. We had full
Speaker 1: teme coverage out of the courthouse in Lower Manhattan to day.
Speaker 1: Here with an update on which Martyr Trump more resembles
Speaker 1: Jesus or Nelson Mandela. It's Ronnie Chag and Daisy Lida.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with Ronnie Chag, Jesus or Mendela.
Speaker 10: Clearly Mendela, all right, both for two heroes unjustly persecuted
Speaker 10: by a corrupt legal system. And as Mendela often said,
Speaker 10: and I quote, this is a witch hunt hoax.
Speaker 1: I've never even met horseface.
Speaker 11: I totally disagree. Ronnie Jesus Christ. He's obviously Jesus Christ.
Speaker 11: It's right there in the New Testament or in its sequel,
Speaker 11: The Art of the Deal, chapter ten, verse eight, and
Speaker 11: lo he evicted the rent controlled tenants. And it was
Speaker 11: good and tremendous and vicious and beautiful Jesus.
Speaker 10: Wow. Oh, hang on, hang on, just think about this
Speaker 10: on second. Okay, Trump and Mendela they both had three wives, eh, Jesus,
Speaker 10: they even have a serious girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Okay, the guy had no riz. I don't think Rizz
Speaker 1: is an approval anyway. Mendela was in prison for twenty
Speaker 1: seven years, Ronnie, So it's.
Speaker 10: Yes, But if you add up all the prison sentences
Speaker 10: Trump got for other people from January sixth, and his
Speaker 10: campaign and his business, it's way more than twenty seven years. Okay.
Speaker 10: Trump is like ten Nelson mandelas.
Speaker 1: No, Ronnie Trump is Jesus.
Speaker 11: They both have a ton of buildings with their names
Speaker 11: on them, filled with portraits of themselves to be worshiped,
Speaker 11: and they both sold sneakers, gold sneakers.
Speaker 3: Hold On, hold on, I'm sorry to interrupt that this
Speaker 3: is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Okay, Johnson, everybody.
Speaker 3: Trump is not Mandela or Jesus. Okay, we all know
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump is oj.
Speaker 1: I don't think that, did you say oj Yeah?
Speaker 3: John oj Trump? They were both icon celebrities in the eighties.
Speaker 3: Plus Donald J. Trump is the J for juice probably,
Speaker 3: but most importantly, their obvious guilt didn't deter their loyal fans,
Speaker 3: who either think they're innocent.
Speaker 1: Or don't care they're guilty.
Speaker 11: Jesus had loyal fans not like this.
Speaker 1: So if he's ojay, you're saying that whether or not
Speaker 1: Trump slept with Stormy Daniels or paid Stormy Daniels hush money,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna matter. He's walking away a free man.
Speaker 3: Yes, And personally I'm excited for the moment in the
Speaker 3: trial when Trump will drop his pants and say, if
Speaker 3: the glove don't fit, you must have quit.
Speaker 8: Well by Donathy and Jocks, everybody won't come back with
Speaker 8: David Sanger, don't go away?
Speaker 1: Why come back to the time I got tonight a
Speaker 1: White House. A national security correspondent for the New York Times.
Speaker 1: His latest book is called New Cold Wars, China's Rise,
Speaker 1: Russia's Invasion, and America's struggle to defend the West. Please
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program, David Sanger. So we wrote
Speaker 1: another batter new prot works. David. First of all, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's nice to see you again.
Speaker 7: Good to be here.
Speaker 1: Is the premise that the United States did a poor
Speaker 1: job of managing risk after the fall of the Soviet Union, Well.
Speaker 7: We certainly made a lot of false assumptions, bad assumptions.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound along the way, Yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Wouldn't be as, wouldn't be as. And the fundamental argument
Speaker 7: of the book is that we believed, somehow we deluded
Speaker 7: ourselves into believing that China and Russia, each for their
Speaker 7: own different reasons would like to sign up to the
Speaker 7: Western world that we were going to go say, look,
Speaker 7: we got this whole thing figured out. All you guys
Speaker 7: do is come in here and sign on the dotted line.
Speaker 1: Right, We're going to do a rules based democratic foundation
Speaker 1: order and everybody'll be cool with it.
Speaker 7: And that was supposed to be the end of history,
Speaker 7: because right we were.
Speaker 1: Said, it's the end of history. Western liberalism is triumphant,
Speaker 1: and we can all just skate on the glorious booty
Speaker 1: that we get from it.
Speaker 7: Right now, you can't blame just him, because there were
Speaker 7: a lot of other people believe JUSTI, okay, and I
Speaker 7: signed on to a little bit of this myself, so
Speaker 7: I confess. But I got to tell you this basically
Speaker 7: went on for thirty years, good twenty five anyway, because
Speaker 7: we were busy doing the wars on Terry. We were
Speaker 7: just talking about those little.
Speaker 1: When you talk about in the book, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stories of how George Bush thought that there would
Speaker 1: be a great reprochemont with Putin over there shared dislike
Speaker 1: of terrorism and the two of them. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: stories in there that come out of James Bond. You're
Speaker 1: on a yacht with George Bush and Putin and they've
Speaker 1: just seen a very dark version of the Nutcracker. You're like,
Speaker 1: it's not even the regular Nutcracker, it's the dark Nutcracker.
Speaker 7: And you're like, I bet Bush really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you love anything high.
Speaker 7: So, so this was two thousand and two. We were
Speaker 7: in Saint Petersburg. We were floating down the Never River.
Speaker 7: They're in a great party boat.
Speaker 1: There's this guy.
Speaker 7: Wait, you were floating down the river with them. I
Speaker 7: was floating down on the boat behind it. We weren't
Speaker 7: eat like tubing. That's what white house reporters do, isn't it.
Speaker 7: We were in the pools, just this sign. The pool
Speaker 7: was a river, all right, Okay. So so we're following
Speaker 7: him down and there's this guy serving dinner. He's kind
Speaker 7: of big and hulking. It turns out it's Pregosion.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jenny Progosion, the head of the Terrible Army.
Speaker 7: Well, at the time, he was putin chef. Okay, his
Speaker 7: only job was make sure the meals were good and
Speaker 7: a really glowering Wait.
Speaker 1: So he's like Bobby Flay and then he turns into
Speaker 1: the head of a Mercenary Army.
Speaker 7: Well before he did that, he ran the Internet Research
Speaker 7: Agency and tried to fix the twenty sixteen election with
Speaker 7: this information.
Speaker 1: They really are renaissance, man, it really is. I mean
Speaker 1: that's talent, that's talents. So now this appears to be
Speaker 1: going along until George Bush wants them to go after
Speaker 1: Islam terrorism. And then at that point Putin wants them
Speaker 1: to go after Chechtein.
Speaker 7: Right, or at least Putin wants to use the excuse
Speaker 7: to go after Cheschney. And that was the beginning of
Speaker 7: Bush beginning to think, you know, maybe this guy isn't
Speaker 7: the one we thought he was.
Speaker 1: He looked into his soul.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you know, he may have looked at the
Speaker 7: wrong soul. So so in two thousand and seven, Putin
Speaker 7: shows up at this thing called the Munich Security Conference
Speaker 7: and he says, you know, there are parts of Russia
Speaker 7: that have been separated from us that really belong to us,
Speaker 7: that to the Russia that Peter the Great created. And
Speaker 7: remember Putin isn't trying to recreate the Soviet Union. He
Speaker 7: thinks the guys around the Soviet Union were idiots. You
Speaker 7: go into his office, he's got a big bust of
Speaker 7: Peter the Great there, So who do you think he
Speaker 7: thinks he is.
Speaker 1: Progosian? No? No, no, how do we miss all of this?
Speaker 1: And even if we had been onto it, what would
Speaker 1: we have done differently?
Speaker 7: So first it was a combination of sort of bad intelligence,
Speaker 7: wishful thinking. Oh, sure, he's going to be troublesome, but
Speaker 7: at the end of the day, he cares about his
Speaker 7: oil exports, his gas exports, more than he really cares
Speaker 7: about this. And look up until the weekend before the
Speaker 7: invasion happened.
Speaker 1: There's a story.
Speaker 7: No, the invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: So all past twenty fourteen, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Twenty fourteen comes, he takes crimea. Obama says, I'm not
Speaker 7: going to war for something that used to belong to Russia.
Speaker 7: Nobody does sanctions for a year, right, And then next
Speaker 7: year the Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel signs the nord
Speaker 7: Stream two agreement, creates this pipeline that runs from Russia
Speaker 7: around Ukraine's what doesn't get any revenue from it, and
Speaker 7: straight into Europe. And he says, she says, you know, Putin's.
Speaker 1: A reliable supplier. Is realistic? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Right, okay, reasonable assumption maybe because he really hadn't cut
Speaker 7: off gas supplies. So what happens next? Seven years later
Speaker 7: he goes after full on Ukraine. The US reveals the
Speaker 7: intelligence in starting in the late fall, they get this
Speaker 7: remarkable intelligence. They send Bill Burns, the CIA director who
Speaker 7: used to be ambassador to Russia, to say, this would
Speaker 7: be a really bad idea. Putin says, oh, I'm not
Speaker 7: you know, I'm not doing anything. And the weekend before
Speaker 7: everybody's back in Munich and there are a bunch of
Speaker 7: Europeans saying to me and everybody else, Oh, he's not
Speaker 7: really gonna invade. He's just bluffing. He wouldn't risk his
Speaker 7: oil revenues. Four days later he invades. The intelligence chief
Speaker 7: for Germany was in Kiev the morning of the invasion.
Speaker 7: They had to evacuate him because he didn't believe they
Speaker 7: would invade.
Speaker 1: So what did he think that noise was? He got
Speaker 1: out of town kind of fast. So this is all hindsight,
Speaker 1: though in truth, what could we other when someone is
Speaker 1: imperialistic in that way? What can other powers do short
Speaker 1: of an actual shooting war to prevent these kinds of things.
Speaker 1: There's no guarantee that tougher sanctions after CRIMEA would have
Speaker 1: deterred him. It sounds like this is kind of his
Speaker 1: destiny and he's fulfilling that destiny, come hell or high water.
Speaker 7: So that's the other piece of this, which is we
Speaker 7: impose our values on Russia China and we think, well,
Speaker 7: we're not going to do something that would get in
Speaker 7: the way of our economic interests.
Speaker 1: Neither would they.
Speaker 7: So China's a really interesting example. Xhijingping comes in more
Speaker 7: than ten years ago. Joe Biden spent a lot of
Speaker 7: time with him, traveled around with him. But the intelligence
Speaker 7: reports of as she are, this guy's not going to
Speaker 7: challenge the West. He's going to tend to his economy,
Speaker 7: make sure all is good. Right, We now discover and
Speaker 7: you read about in the book, they are these secret
Speaker 7: speeches that he gave almost as soon as he came
Speaker 7: into office, saying we're going to build up our nuclear
Speaker 7: forces to the size of the Russians and the Americans.
Speaker 7: We're going to make sure that we take our claims
Speaker 7: in the South China. Sea I was out in the
Speaker 7: rose garden of the White House when she came to
Speaker 7: visit and promised everybody he wasn't going to militarize these
Speaker 7: islands they're building in the South China. See a year
Speaker 7: or two later, you look on satellite photographs there are
Speaker 7: fighter jets showing up on the islands. Kind of looks like.
Speaker 1: That's just convenience. It's not are we lying to them
Speaker 1: or are we lying to ourselves? I think more to ourselves.
Speaker 7: So, you know, we did not want to conceive of
Speaker 7: a world in which we were back in superpower conflict.
Speaker 7: We wanted to live in the world in which the
Speaker 7: US was the predominant power. We finally calmed down the
Speaker 7: Middle East or doing real well with that, and and
Speaker 7: that we could focus on competing with China, some containment
Speaker 7: of Russia. And you know, Biden happened to be the
Speaker 7: one sitting in the office, sitting in office when this
Speaker 7: all fell apart. And most of the book is a
Speaker 7: story of what happens when that fell apart. It's the
Speaker 7: story of how this Opera Regia nuclear plant in Ukraine,
Speaker 7: the biggest nuclear plant in Europe, suddenly everybody's afraid is
Speaker 7: going to become the world's biggest h Yeah, right, And
Speaker 7: there's an amazing story right from New York City two
Speaker 7: years ago October of twenty twenty two, when President Biden
Speaker 7: shows up at a fundraiser at James Murdoch's house.
Speaker 1: They're nice, not familiar with the last name, but go ahead.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's actually sat of the black sheep of the family.
Speaker 7: I a Democrat who raises money for Biden among others.
Speaker 7: So they're, you know, nice New Yorkers walking around with
Speaker 7: their wine looking at his art collection. The President comes
Speaker 7: in and says, by the way, we're going through something
Speaker 7: that is the closest to nuclear war we've had since
Speaker 7: the Cuban missile crisis. They're all looking at each other, like.
Speaker 1: He drops that at a cocktail party.
Speaker 7: I'm sure they all thought that it was really the
Speaker 7: moment to get out of the Hamptons.
Speaker 1: Don't you think he drops that? And then it's like,
Speaker 1: do you guys have breathe like he does.
Speaker 7: Actually, people in the White House were amazing. Now call
Speaker 7: it his Armageddon speech, because he had just said the
Speaker 7: same thing in the Oval Office.
Speaker 1: Right then. Then he turned to everybody and go and
Speaker 1: my word is don't. That's a big thing now, he tells.
Speaker 1: He tells dictators don't don't. And they're like, okay, haven't
Speaker 1: we sowed the seeds of this with our own arrogance
Speaker 1: and cavalier approach to a lot of these foreign policy conflicts.
Speaker 1: A we always frame things as this is a battle
Speaker 1: between democracy and the free world, and liberation and authoritarianism,
Speaker 1: But the truth is we're fighting for trade channels and
Speaker 1: resources like this is all a function of competing capitalist powers.
Speaker 1: And aren't we the ones? I mean, we've invaded more
Speaker 1: countries than Russia and China combined. So how do we
Speaker 1: give ourselves somehow the passes the white hat guys, when
Speaker 1: a lot of our policy has created a lot of
Speaker 1: the chaos that they're taking advantage of. It is I'm done,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here.
Speaker 7: So there's been a lot of that going on in
Speaker 7: American history for a long time. Teddy Roosevelt, you know,
Speaker 7: took over his fair share of territory. But I think
Speaker 7: in the Biden administration we've had to sort of face
Speaker 7: these contradictions because at the beginning of the administration, the
Speaker 7: president was saying just what you said, this is a
Speaker 7: battle between democracy and autocracy, and everyone says, Okay, that's
Speaker 7: pretty clean.
Speaker 1: Then he goes to just not true.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Then he goes then he goes to Saudi Arabia
Speaker 7: does the fist bump with NBS right, And I was
Speaker 7: on that trip.
Speaker 1: They weren't quite sure. How that are you ever home?
Speaker 7: When you cover the White House, you got to go
Speaker 7: where the president goes as part of the job. And
Speaker 7: then you know, we move on to what's been happening
Speaker 7: in Israel and h and the Israel Hamas war. And
Speaker 7: as you said earlier, we are in the very odd
Speaker 7: position of both providing aid and providing the arms that
Speaker 7: are being dropped on Gaza. And I think this administration
Speaker 7: has had the hardest time trying to go write that
Speaker 7: and obviously is causing a lot of pain, not only
Speaker 7: for Gossans, but for people in the administration who are
Speaker 7: having a hard time living with.
Speaker 1: Would it simplify our position if we stopped pretending our
Speaker 1: morals were beyond the reproach of all these other countries?
Speaker 1: Would it help us to not have to scold everybody
Speaker 1: for failing to live up to principles that we very
Speaker 1: clearly do not uphold.
Speaker 7: Well, at least we have some principles. Okay, that's the
Speaker 7: one thing.
Speaker 1: We say that. But you know, you can invade a country,
Speaker 1: what happened in Iraq. That's you can't call for regime change?
Speaker 1: What did we do in Libya? Every time we say
Speaker 1: these things, we undercut our own position with I mean,
Speaker 1: for God's sakes, Iran is an enemy today because we
Speaker 1: overthrew their democratically elected government nineteen fifty three. That's right.
Speaker 1: So at what point do we just admit that this
Speaker 1: is how we're behaving.
Speaker 7: The odd thing is at the moment that presidents do
Speaker 7: admit that, they get chewed up for admitting to American error.
Speaker 7: Obama went and apologized to the Iranians.
Speaker 1: Saying apologize. I'm just saying, like, take off the mask
Speaker 1: and go, you know what this is? It strikes me
Speaker 1: as it's colonialism and imperialism in a more modern form.
Speaker 1: China is in Africa trying to extract. We're trying to extract.
Speaker 1: We're militarizing economic rivalries and creating all kinds of chaos
Speaker 1: and death over what is ostensibly trying to get better deals.
Speaker 7: Well, some of it's better deals, some of it is
Speaker 7: protecting technology. And I argue in here that with China
Speaker 7: as opposed to Russia, this is, first of all, this
Speaker 7: is incredible competitor and it's a competitor and a military sphere,
Speaker 7: in the technology sphere, in finance, in economics, and we're
Speaker 7: their best customer and then they are ours. And that's
Speaker 7: really what makes this different from the old Cold War.
Speaker 7: So a reason there's new in new Cold Wars, and
Speaker 7: there's a reason there's an ass at the end. First
Speaker 7: of all, we're fighting too simultaneously. Okay, the old Cold War,
Speaker 7: that wasn't the.
Speaker 1: Case, fighting the wrong terminology, because isn't that Look, the
Speaker 1: only people that never lose a war or the military
Speaker 1: industrial complex are the people that sell the weapons. And
Speaker 1: if we continue to if we continue to push that,
Speaker 1: you know, weaponization of these economic rivalries, aren't we just
Speaker 1: playing into that cycle?
Speaker 7: We are playing into the cycle. But if you're in
Speaker 7: a world in which vacuums happen, if we say, okay,
Speaker 7: we're done with this, you're going to go back and
Speaker 7: build our big walls and sort of received from it,
Speaker 7: someone fills that space. And that space is going to
Speaker 7: get filled largely by China, some by Russia, some by
Speaker 7: other authoritarian regimes. And so we've got to make a
Speaker 7: really hard and bad choice, which is do we want
Speaker 7: to be the one trying to fill that void with
Speaker 7: our technology and our principles, understanding that we violate them
Speaker 7: all the time, or do we want to let an
Speaker 7: authoritarian regime go fill that space, which we know how
Speaker 7: that's going to look.
Speaker 1: It seems like what we should do is be honest
Speaker 1: about what our aims are in the way that China
Speaker 1: went into Africa and did Belton Road, knowing that really
Speaker 1: it's about cobalt and lithium, and rather than us going
Speaker 1: into Africa and just building up all these small military
Speaker 1: juntas that end up creating all those dictatorships that create
Speaker 1: so much cash and pain for those countries.
Speaker 7: Well, I'd argue that now we're not doing it with cobalt,
Speaker 7: We're doing it with semiconductors.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: So the the big story that we tell in here
Speaker 7: went to Taiwan. Spend a lot of time at Taiwan Semiconductor,
Speaker 7: which is the biggest producer of the most advanced semiconductors
Speaker 7: in the world, and you looked at the question does
Speaker 7: that create a silicon shield for the United States and
Speaker 7: for Taiwan? In other words, that the Chinese would not
Speaker 7: dare take over Taiwan because they would lose access to
Speaker 7: Taiwan semiconductors.
Speaker 1: We're going to learn any sentence that begins with would
Speaker 1: they dare? Yes, they would dare, and so would we
Speaker 1: and so and so.
Speaker 7: My argument here is it's a silicon shield for a
Speaker 7: little while, John, but eventually the Chinese are going to
Speaker 7: learn how to make everything Taiwan Semiconductor is making. And
Speaker 7: at that moment we've got a real Taiwan crisis. And
Speaker 7: so the book is sort of a warning head to
Speaker 7: what these next twenty or thirty years are going to
Speaker 7: look like, because this is not a world in which
Speaker 7: these new cold wars are going to end sometime soon.
Speaker 7: They're going to be the dominant theme of the next
Speaker 7: twenty thirty forty years, long after Putin and She are gone,
Speaker 7: and long after Joe Biden and Donald Trump are gone.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that last part.
Speaker 7: The Trump's never leaving.
Speaker 1: I think the two of them, honestly, it'll be like
Speaker 1: twenty eighty four and they'll be like it's another Biden
Speaker 1: Trump rematch. I can't believe it. Two heads in a jar,
Speaker 1: who pro wars? It is available now, David Sire and Hijo,
Speaker 1: thank You's notch op for tonight before we go. We're
Speaker 1: checking with your hosts for the rest of the week.
Speaker 1: Don't say so, don't say hello, They'll say excited for
Speaker 1: you know, ho's the week? What are we gonna be
Speaker 1: looking at? John, I'll be continuing our coverage of the
Speaker 1: Trump trial unless someone has the money to keep me quiet.
Speaker 1: You are you? Are you asking for Donald Trump to
Speaker 1: pay you hush money? No that broke bis can even
Speaker 1: pay his own bond.
Speaker 11: No no, no, no no no no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the real players.
Speaker 3: I'm asking the Republican Party to pay me hush money.
Speaker 1: Well that's a fair point. Don't say so on all
Speaker 1: this week.
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