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Speaker 1: Then tune in to Look At Though Our Radio Season ten.

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Speaker 1: Season ten of Look At Thought Our Radio is totally nostalgic.

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Speaker 1: We're diving in with a four part series about the

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Speaker 1: Season ten is also launching in the wake of LA

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Speaker 1: wildfires and a new Trump presidency. As always, we're leaning

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Speaker 2: Tune in to Look at Our Radio Season ten. Now

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Speaker 2: Loga Olao la Loka Modes. Welcome to season ten of

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Speaker 2: Loka Tora Radio. I'm Viosa and I'm mala. Loka Tora

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Speaker 2: Radio is a podcast dedicated to archiving our present and

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Speaker 1: This is the first episode of season ten, and oh

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Speaker 2: Last time we spoke to you, our dearest listeners are

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Speaker 1: Mostly good stuff, mostly good. It's like when you go

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Speaker 2: And my cry for the week. I've decided to not

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Speaker 2: So if you're a longtime listener, you know that we

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Speaker 1: We loveas sometimes our listeners provide us with questions that like, wow,

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Speaker 2: Well, I am a little crazy, so and I say

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Speaker 2: we're in our light and just like letting ourselves be

432
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Speaker 2: in that moment and know that like those seasons don't last,

433
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Speaker 2: you know at all?

434
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they come and go. There's seasons, there are seasons.

435
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: There are seasons. It's seasonal, and that's so true. Beauty

436
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: is truly lost on the young. I mean I go

437
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: through the same experience looking back at old photos of

438
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: myself and like, what was I so worried about? Yeah,

439
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: what was I being so critical of? Like I looked

440
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: a maze. Yes, I looked amazing. Yes, And you just

441
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: cannot appreciate it while you're in it.

442
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Speaker 2: Something that I tell myself now, like when i'm feeling

443
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: you know that that that inner critic of like while

444
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: you're aging, like you're looking older. But I'm saying it

445
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: to myself in a mean way, I remind myself, like, oh,

446
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: the older I get, the more I look like my mom.

447
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: Am I going to be mean to my mom? To

448
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: my own mother. No, I tell my mother she's beautiful.

449
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: I tell her she looks amazing. I tell her she's

450
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: like that outfit is so cute, you know, Like I'm

451
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: not mean to her, I'm not her inner critic. And

452
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: so I've kind of been rephrasing it that way for

453
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 2: myself and just thinking of how it is such a

454
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: beautiful thing to get older, and we're made to feel

455
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: bad about it, women specifically, And so yeah, I know,

456
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: I know I'm only in my thirty so on the

457
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: grand scheme of things, I'm still very young. But I

458
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: think as I've been in entering this decade, I've really

459
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: seen like how much like the twel and the youth

460
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: are like the main character. Oh yeah, for society, for life,

461
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: for culture in the US at least. Yeah, and I'm like, oh,

462
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: we're not. That's not us anymore. For better or for worse,

463
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: depending how you look at it.

464
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: It's a lot less pressure. Yeah, it's a lot less pressure.

465
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Speaker 1: And even just thinking about so I like went shopping

466
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Speaker 1: for my vacation and just even thinking about like the

467
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: sheer number of outfits we were constantly buying, yeah, for

468
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: every weekend, something new, every week and something new.

469
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Speaker 2: We didn't realize we were participating in fast fashion at

470
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Speaker 2: the time.

471
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Speaker 1: And we were wheeling. We were fast fashion.

472
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: We were doing it. We didn't realize. We're like, oh,

473
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: we're shopping at these little boutiques. It was fast fashion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we looked cute.

475
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we served lugs.

476
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: Always a new look, always a new look out on

477
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: the town. I mean it was fun. And that that

478
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: I can say so proud of myself for allowing myself

479
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Speaker 1: in my twenties. I allowed myself to be wild and

480
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: to be free. I mean I was free, honey, I

481
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: was free. And I'm so happy that I gave that

482
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: to myself and that I had that, because once it's over,

483
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: it's over. Yeah, you know, And then after it becomes

484
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: like a midlife crisis stuff. Right, if you do it

485
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: when you're in your forties and fifties, it's a crisis.

486
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: You're supposed to behave those ways when you're in your twenties.

487
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: You know, you can do it at any age, I think.

488
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: But I get what you're saying. So it's like, culturally,

489
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, if you if a woman starts partying

490
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 2: in her forties, it's because she's having a midlife crisis.

491
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: Yes, she's in a state of crisis. And that doesn't

492
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: have to be the case. I mean, you know, everybody,

493
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: you do what you do, and who knows what the

494
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: future holds for for for any of us or for me.

495
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I will say that is beauty was completely

496
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: lost on me in my twenties. I don't think I

497
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: appreciated it for the right reasons. I think I was

498
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: more appreciative of like what it could do for me, Yeah,

499
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: like what it could get me. But I don't think

500
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: that I truly like embodied, Like I don't think that

501
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: I was comfortable in it, you know, But I am

502
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: grateful that I gave myself like that decade, Yeah, to

503
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: be a mess, Yes, and to learn.

504
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: Same. Yeah, same, And I think for this person too,

505
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: like lean on your friends, like let your friends know

506
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: that you are feeling like not yourself right now. And

507
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: I think that your friends will remind you who you

508
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: are lovingly right, and they will tell you who you are.

509
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's really important to have, whether that

510
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: be family or friends. Have people in your life that

511
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: are going to remind you who you are, why you're

512
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: so important, why you're important in their life, and that

513
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: you're not alone.

514
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and embrace what's new, Embrace what's ahead. Yes, it

515
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: might be way better.

516
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: When I left my residential care job, my boss who

517
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: was like my thea you know, and we still talk

518
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: here and there, but she was very much like a

519
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: maternal figure in my life. On my last day, she

520
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: gave me a sign that she had in her office

521
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: and it said, don't look back, You're not going that way. Yeah.

522
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: So sometimes I just look at that and I remember

523
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: who I was in that moment when I left that job,

524
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: and how everything felt so hard and then things got

525
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: so good. Yeah, you know, I made space for new things.

526
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: So I hope that that can be the case for

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00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: this listener.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Thank you for that question. This has

529
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: been Ail and Lochaz and if.

530
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: You want to submit a question and get an answered

531
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 2: on the next episode, you can email us, send us

532
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: a DM or leave a voice memo on our website

533
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: on our little speak pipe on the side.

534
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Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere, lokomotives.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back with more of

536
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Speaker 1: our episode. And now for our brand new series. This

537
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: is a limited series for season ten and it's called

538
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Speaker 1: Totally Nostalgic. It's a four part series about the Latinos

539
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: who shaped pop culture in the early two thousands.

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00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: When thinking about this season, well, for some time, mol

541
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: and I have been in talking about some of the

542
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: artists that we remember growing up with and just really

543
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: wanted to pay them homage and talk about them and

544
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: talk about what the US Latinos specifically we're doing to

545
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: shape pop culture and of course Latin Americans. There was

546
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: the Latin boom of the two thousands. There were so

547
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: much that was happening, and we wanted to just dedicate

548
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: some time and create a series to talk about that,

549
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: to talk to experts, to talk to some of the

550
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: artists that shaped pop culture at that time.

551
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: I know, for me and for you like, especially on Instagram,

552
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Like somebody that we looked at that were dying to

553
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: have on the show is like Apollodianda. You know, part

554
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: of this series is our own curiosity about where are

555
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: they now? Because we were listening to these artists, the

556
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: paladiandas the Prima Jays, you know, Cattaluna, et cetera, et cetera.

557
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: We were watching TV. We were watching Mundos and MTV

558
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: thres and you know, Keto Miskin says, so there are

559
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: these folks who were really creating culture and art for

560
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: us back in the day that we were loving and

561
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: some of them are not as active as they once were.

562
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Maybe they've made a shift in their careers, but personally

563
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I want to know what they're up to and what

564
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: are they doing. I'm also curious as far as this series,

565
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: like what parts of the two thousands are really are

566
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: like really being brought back. You know, I think that

567
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: there's a nostalgia wave for the two thousands right now.

568
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: Like when we were kids. I think, like, I don't know,

569
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: I feel like hippie stuff was like was like our

570
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: throwback stuff that we would wear.

571
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Speaker 2: There was like a bohemian nostalgia for like the fringe,

572
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: and I also kind of see the fringe coming back.

573
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I hear what you're saying. There was like

574
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Speaker 2: this bohemian like quote hippie aesthetic resurgence that we all wanted.

575
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, at that time it was very boho.

576
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: Yes, and so Oh Ho Sheikh was a part of

577
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Speaker 2: the two thousands.

578
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: Bok was a big part of the two thousands. So

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Speaker 1: now the youth, they're like nostalgia and the ways that

580
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: they're dressing up from the past. They're wearing ed hardy,

581
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm seeing like tiktoks where they're talking about

582
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: what we were really wearing back then, like the big

583
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: owl pendants and those like flared what were those pants,

584
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: those like gaucho pants, and like the little Chinese slippers

585
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: and like it's interesting to see what gets popular and

586
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: then what were we actually doing, right.

587
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to be exploring the fashion, the music,

588
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: the artists, the TV, the nostalgia of it all with

589
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: this series called Totally Nostalgic. To kick us off, we're

590
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: joined by Maria Garcia and we were so excited to

591
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: bring Maria on to have this conversation because you can

592
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: talk about the early two thousands and the wave of

593
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: Latino artists without recognizing the impact of Selina Quintania and

594
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Speaker 2: Maria Gotta. Sia now is the creator and host of

595
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: Anything for Selena, a podcast by W B U R

596
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: and Futuro Studios that examines the life and legacy of

597
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: Selena Quintania. She's also the host of the podcast My Vivo,

598
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: which is about the life of Juan Gabriel and how

599
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: it relates to her own personal story. Maria is also

600
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Speaker 2: a queer Chicana who listens to Selena like all of us,

601
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: when she needs some motivation. So joining us today is

602
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Speaker 2: Maria Garcia. We hope you enjoyed this interview your pretty

603
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: MUD's favorite podcast.

604
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Speaker 4: My name is Maria Garcia, and I'm the executive editor

605
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: of Futuro Studios and the creator and host of Anything

606
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: for Selena and My Divo Amazing.

607
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Speaker 2: So let's just get started by talking about some early

608
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: memories you may have from the early two thousands and

609
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: if you feel that they influenced you in any way.

610
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Speaker 4: Oh my god. Absolutely.

611
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: So.

612
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Speaker 4: First of all, I was born in nineteen eighty five,

613
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 4: so I'm I'm like a I'm a millennial, you know,

614
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: and sort of like hitting the geriatric millennial. So in

615
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: like two thousand, I was fifteen years old, and so

616
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: it was like a very formative time in my adolescence,

617
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: in my development. And so this is sort of like

618
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 4: what's happening in my life and in the greater culture

619
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Speaker 4: at this time. So the Selena biopic is released in

620
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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven, and so you know what happens when

621
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: the Selena biopic is released. Jennifer Lopez comes into the scene,

622
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 4: and you know, she'd been an artist before, but this

623
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: is her big, big break. She goes from you know,

624
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: a sort of like emerging niche artist to like a

625
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: kid almost to like a household name. And you know,

626
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: Abraham Pythenia, Selena's father, likes to tell this story about

627
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 4: how when she got on stage and they were like

628
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: doing the astrodome scene, Selena's mother, Marcella, looked at Jennifer

629
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 4: and said, oh my god, it looks like just like her.

630
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 4: She even has Selena's bombies. And then Jennifer Abraham says

631
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 4: that Jennifer like heard that, and then she's like, He's

632
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: like and ever since then she never stopped talking about

633
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: what So I do remember like the shift in the

634
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Speaker 4: early two thousands, So the biopic comes out in ninety seven,

635
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Speaker 4: Jlo blows up. She's on magazine covers. Latina Magazine launches

636
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 4: with Jlo as their cover girl. People in Espanol launches

637
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 4: after they released the Selena Commemorative issue after her death,

638
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: and they're like, whoa Latino's are interested in media that's

639
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: about them, So suddenly you have like media that is

640
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: specifically catered to Latinos first through fourth generation Latinos. And

641
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 4: then Jlo comes into the scene and she revolutionizes from

642
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 4: Selena's legacy, like body politics in the United States and

643
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 4: voluptuous bodies, particularly like big Darrires go from being really

644
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 4: like derided to really like coveted and celebrated via Jlo

645
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: in the early two thousands. And then this is the time,

646
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 4: right in the eve of the early two thousands, you

647
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 4: have the Latin boom from Jlo. Then comes Ricky Martin.

648
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: You know, there's like Shakira starts starts emerging, and so

649
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 4: you have what like media critics called the so called

650
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: Latin boom and essentially like the birth of modern Latinida

651
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: with all of its like fantasy and myth and problems

652
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: and yeah, that's what I remember from like the early

653
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 4: two thousands is I remember like the Latin boom being

654
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: in full place. I remember j Lo, I remember juicy sweatpants.

655
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: I remember like the big sunglasses. I remember like nude,

656
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: glossy lips. I remember like thin eyebrows. Yeah, that's the landscape.

657
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: If you had to pinpoint maybe one factor that really

658
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: describes those Latin artists and that Latin boom at that time,

659
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: was there something like a through line, a commonality, something

660
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: distinct about that music that work those figures in that

661
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 1: time period that really stands out to you, that makes

662
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: it gives it its personality.

663
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 4: Hmm. That's a great question. You know, this was at

664
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: a time when this idea of the crossover was very

665
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 4: prominent in music media, like can these Latin artists crossover

666
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 4: into English markets? And so it was about it was

667
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 4: a sort of like latinid that that was like be

668
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: fiery and Latin but also palatable you know to uh

669
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 4: sort of like mainstream audiences. So it was I don't

670
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 4: want to say that it was just a white gaizy

671
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: performance of Latinida, because I think there was some authenticity

672
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 4: to some of the art coming out around this time.

673
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: I don't think these artists were just like only motivated

674
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: by how to crossover, Like I think they were also

675
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 4: interested in creating their art that was in some way

676
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: authentic to them. But there was there was a difference

677
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 4: between like what we now think of Bad Bunny, who's

678
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: you know, The New York Times interview him and he's like,

679
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: what do you think of audiences that can't understand you?

680
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 4: And He's like, I don't care. You know, that was

681
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: not the thinking in the early two thousands. The early

682
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: two thousands was like crossover be Latino, and it was

683
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: sort of like a little like fiery, a little stereotypical

684
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 4: performance of Latinida, but.

685
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: Also be.

686
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: Like palatable and desirable to a wider i e. Audience,

687
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: white audience.

688
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that could have influenced the way everyday

689
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: people then embodied Latini?

690
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: Dave, Yeah, I mean I do think look like there

691
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: was sort of like a collective identity forming, you know,

692
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 4: and this was like pre two thousands, Like even with Selena,

693
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: for example, Like I do genuinely believe that Selena was

694
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 4: sort of like the the beta, like the first sort

695
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 4: of like proto artist that birthed what would be later,

696
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: what would evolve into like what we now know as

697
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: modern Latini da And I do think that Selena's art

698
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 4: was authentic and not performative, Like Selena was never trying

699
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: to be palatable to a white audience. Even in her

700
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: like crossover she was she was singing like you know,

701
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: R and B infused music that she grew up with,

702
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 4: you know, like that was authentic to her, Like it wasn't.

703
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: She wasn't like contorting herself to a gaze. And so

704
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: I do think, you know, I can speak for myself,

705
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 4: Like I remember the switch, for example, Shakira in early

706
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: two thousands, she goes from you know, I remember late

707
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 4: ninety there was like Biazscalzos and it was like black

708
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: hair Shakira, and then in the early two thousands she

709
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: transitioned to blonde hair. And I remember thinking like, oh,

710
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: this is a phase. And then it was a phase

711
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: that like never ended, like we never got black hair

712
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: Shakira back. And I think that's I think that's an

713
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 4: example of like the kind of formation that happened in

714
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 4: the early two thousands, you know what I mean, Like

715
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 4: it was she was still Shakira, but she was like

716
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: blonde hair Shakira singing in English, and yeah, like I

717
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: do think it it formed. It was identity forming for

718
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 4: so many of us, you know, because like what we saw,

719
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 4: what we see in the media often gives us permission

720
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: to like exercise a part of our identity. And so yeah,

721
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: I think it would be naive to say, like, oh,

722
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 4: that sort of like Latini Dad myth making didn't penetrate

723
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: into us at an individual level, like I think it

724
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 4: absolutely did.

725
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking, like naming all these different artists, They're

726
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: all coming from such different places. Ricky Martin is Puerto

727
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: Rican and Selena is was it the Hannah, And then

728
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: you have even like elehnadl right at that time, from Panama,

729
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: and then even all the way up to like Christina

730
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: Aguilera who came from the Mickey mouse Club. I mean

731
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: she wasn't raised at the Mickey mouse Club, but practically

732
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: right so, with Ecuadorian roots. And I'm just wondering, like

733
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: all these different artists from different places, Shakira being Colombian,

734
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: how did that then form kind of like this umbrella

735
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: of like a blanket Latini Dad, but very different influences

736
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: and cultures and coming from very different backgrounds. Each of

737
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: these artists, but contributing to one like Latin Boom and

738
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: what did that kind of do to our idea of

739
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: who we are as a people.

740
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: Well, I do genuinely believe that, like, uh so much

741
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 4: of it started with Selena, like after Selena passed well,

742
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 4: first of all, like so you know, when we think

743
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: of Selena, for example, she was singing Mexican American roots music.

744
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 4: You know that's essentially like what the Henno is. It's

745
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 4: like centuries old Mexican American roots music. And then Selena

746
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 4: comes and makes this regional roots music go global and

747
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: suddenly like people all over Latin America are listening to

748
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 4: this this music this is was just like Mexican American

749
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 4: folk music, and so that like opened the pathways for

750
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: sort of like a like cross cultural exchange around like

751
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 4: different Latino ethnicities. But you know, it's always I think

752
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 4: like there are two truths here. Like one is that

753
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: there's like an authentic sharing of culture for sure, Like

754
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 4: I am a Mexican American who only went to Puerto

755
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: Rico for the first time in my adulthood, and yet

756
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: I grew up with such an appreciation and love of

757
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: Puerto Rican culture and music because like the export from

758
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: Puerto Rico to the world is so vast and beautiful

759
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 4: and rich, you know what I mean. Like, and I

760
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 4: grew up like loving in Canada when I was a kid,

761
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: you know, and like in every family party, like in

762
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: Canada was you know, playing every cousin of mine had

763
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: a crush on Cheyan, you know, Ricky Martin was so

764
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 4: beloved too. And you know, I know so many people

765
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: from the Caribbean who tell me, like I grew up

766
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 4: loving Selena, you know, and lots of bookis and so

767
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 4: like there's always been like authentically like pre the modern

768
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: notion of Latini that there's always been like an authentic

769
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 4: like solidarity among Latinos through our music and our art

770
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: like that that has nothing to do I feel like

771
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: with the the structure of like Latinia and the media.

772
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: But I do think that like once that sort of

773
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: like Latin boom became a thing that was like that

774
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: was turbocharged and and look like it's not people people

775
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: like to I don't think Latinia is like a it

776
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: is what it is like, it's not a villain and

777
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 4: it's not a hero. It's not like all like oh solidarity,

778
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: you we're all Latinos. But it's also not like, oh

779
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 4: my god, it's the root of all our evil, like

780
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: it's it's it's you have to like recognize it for

781
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: what it is.

782
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: You know.

783
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: It was like it was this this concentrated aim to

784
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: capture the Latino market. It's born out of capitalism, like

785
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: and sometimes it it it makes it sound like a monolith.

786
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like so many of us

787
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: also like benefit from the cultural exports of Latin Like

788
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 4: it's fun, you know what I mean. Like sometimes it's

789
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 4: just like it's it's sure Shakida went blond after the

790
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 4: Latino boom, but also like she's had some bangers, Like

791
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 4: it's not like, oh my god, it ended. It's such

792
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 4: a tragedy she fell into the Latini that trap. It's

793
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: like we also we love Shakira, like I'm going to

794
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: a concert this year, Like you know, it's it's just it. Yeah,

795
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: I don't think it's like a negative or a positive,

796
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: Like it's just it's a nuance sort of. Yeah, the relationship.

797
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: Shakida also and I don't know if she gets this credit,

798
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: but she would produce albums or create albums in English

799
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: and Spanish, you know, and each the lyrics weren't like

800
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: translated word for word, they had their own meaning in

801
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: each language, which I think is something really profound and

802
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: unique about the artistry that Shakida does. I do want

803
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: to ask you, because we've talked about all these like

804
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: household big names, Ricky, Martin, Shakira, do you think there

805
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: are any Latinos Latina's LATINX artists from the early two

806
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: thousands that maybe don't get the shine that they deserve

807
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: and were influential at that time.

808
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 4: I do think, for example, that Christina Aguilera was painted

809
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: as a sort of like empty pop princess with the

810
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 4: big voice, and sometimes I feel like we don't give

811
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 4: her the credit for like advancing pop the way she did,

812
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 4: like the way you know. So I'm I'm a Cristina

813
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 4: Aguilera stan And yeah, I agree with you about Shakida,

814
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 4: Like I there's no songwriter like her, like she's a poet,

815
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 4: she's a lyricist, like we we love her artistry. But yeah,

816
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 4: I think I'd have to give it more thought on

817
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 4: like the unappreciated early ATS artists.

818
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure that, like like us, you're probably online, you

819
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: see you see what the kids are posting and things

820
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: that are are in style and are popular right now.

821
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: And something that's been very popular to our surprise, I think,

822
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: is the way that some of the aesthetics of the

823
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: early two thousands have like come back into vogue, but

824
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: like things that I wouldn't expect, like ed hardy.

825
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: Like I pants, cook.

826
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: Pre pants, you know, like things that we wore, things

827
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: that were cute. And the way that things get remixed

828
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: and brought back into to the current moment and integrated

829
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: into modern fashion trends is really interesting to me. And

830
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm wondering why you think that this time period right

831
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: now is like a throwback that's coming back. Why is

832
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: this like standing out to folks, this particular aesthetic and

833
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: time period.

834
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a few reasons. I think one,

835
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 4: it's like the natural cycle of fashion, right like we

836
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 4: do see the sort of tried and true like twenty

837
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: year cycle, you know, like when I was young, the

838
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: eighties were a thing, you know, in like the two thousands,

839
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: because it's like twenty years ago, and so I do

840
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 4: think like it's just naturally like that time it's due.

841
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 4: But I also think there's like a nostalgia for a

842
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 4: sort of like the simplicity of the two thousands. So

843
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: it was like right in the eve of like the

844
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: proliferation of social media, you know, so like people weren't

845
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 4: like chronically online the way they are now. And I

846
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: do think, like, as a nineteen eighty five baby, like

847
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: you know, this generation, the sort of millennial generation was

848
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 4: akin to like the generations that experience it's like pre

849
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 4: industrial revolution and post industrial revolution, or like pre agriculture

850
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 4: and post agriculture, like something that like revolutionized civilizations as

851
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 4: a whole. And I do think that like this was

852
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: this was the information revolution, you know, and we were

853
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: never the same, like not just as a society, but

854
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: like as a civilization, as human beings after the information revolution,

855
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 4: like the proliferation of the internet, social media, like the

856
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: connectedness that we feel now. And so I think there's

857
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 4: like a nostalgia for that, you know, for like the

858
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 4: simplicity of that.

859
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we are the last generation, at least millennials,

860
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: that remembers a time before the internet. Right, we still

861
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: had dial up, Our phones were flip phones. You know,

862
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: there was a time where we weren't that plugged in

863
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: the way that the generations after us are and there

864
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Speaker 2: I agree with you that there's this almost simplicity that

865
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: I think folks are craving.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: I've seen a couple different writeups of folks saying they

868
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: are they have a quote dumb phone now, you know,

869
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: so they like ditch their smartphone and they're using like

870
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: a phone, like a flip phone, like a regular phone

871
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: that has no Internet, no social media like capabilities. And

872
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: so I do think that there is this like yearning

873
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: and nostalgia for a time before the Internet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for we all want our analog era.

875
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: You know.

876
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: It makes me sad that like the younger generations like

877
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 4: they'll never have an analog era, you know, unless obviously,

878
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 4: like you're very proactive with giving your children that. But yeah,

879
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 4: it's it's it's I think it's craving that that nostalgia.

880
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Speaker 1: Something that we talked about last season was why did

881
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: j Low hate now? Right at this juncture to kind

882
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: of shift a little bit, but also take it back

883
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: to something you were talking about earlier. You know, Jaylo

884
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: had a huge moment when the Selena movie came out,

885
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: and it just launched her into the stratosphere and so

886
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: much happened, like in her career over the course of

887
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: these past twenty years or more. And I'm wondering from

888
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: your perspective, what you think about that cycle from blowing up,

889
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: being beloved, making her mark on music, on entertainment, on

890
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: Latinidad to now this era that we're in where she's

891
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: still going super strong. I mean, she has not stopped performing,

892
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 1: she has has not stopped making headlines. But I think

893
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: that some of the attitudes maybe I don't remember if

894
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: there was like negativity, you know, towards her when she

895
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: was first coming out, but the attitude seemed to have

896
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: shifted dramatically around Jlo. And I wonder why you think

897
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: that is and if you've observed that.

898
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 4: Oh totally. Well, first of all, like Jlo is a diva,

899
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 4: right like, and some people just will never stand a diva,

900
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it's just it's yeah,

901
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 4: And so I think there's just naturally that And also

902
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 4: like there are you know, there are moments like interviews,

903
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 4: you know, like in the historical record that Jlo has

904
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 4: given where she doesn't come across as like super charismatic.

905
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 4: You know, there was that like interview I think it

906
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 4: was for was it for vibe or interview magazine, and

907
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 4: it was in the early odds where she gave this

908
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 4: gathing interview where she talks shit about everybody in Hollywood.

909
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 4: She said Gwyneth Paltrow was not a good actress. She said,

910
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: like she was like but she the thing is, she

911
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 4: was like, I take my craft super seriously, like has

912
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: that one? And I don't understand why people, you know,

913
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 4: like like actresses who don't. So I think there's a

914
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 4: little bit of that, like some people, like, you know,

915
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 4: it's just gonna be hard when a woman is like

916
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 4: not super humble, and that's just like a part of

917
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: the patriarchy and society, Like people have a hard time

918
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 4: accepting women who are confident and a little bit of

919
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: shit talkers, and like j lo Is has talked her shit.

920
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: From the years.

921
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 4: I think there's that. I also think there's like very

922
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 4: legitimate critiques of her engagement with black artists and black songwriters,

923
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 4: and you know, the sort of concerns that she has

924
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 4: like really overstepped the ethical lines in terms of like

925
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 4: taking some some of the singing in recordings and passing

926
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: it off as her own and like not giving credit

927
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 4: to black women, and like that's that's very real, and

928
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: so I think she just has like a naturally sort

929
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 4: of like very checkered legacy. You know I was I

930
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 4: was never like a hardcore j Loo fan. I was

931
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 4: never like super into her for all of those reasons.

932
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 4: But I have to tell you this, this last project

933
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 4: she did, the like video film like steampunk, like super meta,

934
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 4: let me talk about my life and all my weddings.

935
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 4: And I loved it. So I ate it up. I

936
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 4: did yes Eva, like give it to us, like. I

937
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 4: loved how self referential it is. I loved how indulgent

938
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: it is. I love how seriously she takes herself as

939
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: an artist, the way she's like, I'm creating art and

940
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 4: Ben knows it. I'm like, yes, baby, like you are

941
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 4: an artist and we're better for it. Like I I

942
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: love this era of Jlo like and so yeah, I

943
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 4: think she just has like a really sort of like

944
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 4: complex legacy. But ultimately, like I stand a diva and

945
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 4: you know, I really enjoy her. I do think, you know,

946
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 4: like I always love when like Mariah Carey is like

947
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 4: I don't know her, like one diva like beeping with

948
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 4: the other diva, like who's more diva? But yeah, overall

949
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 4: I've really come around.

950
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Speaker 2: To j LO. It's really good lore, the diva lore.

951
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: So you know, we're in the series, we're talking about

952
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: the early two thousands, and of course we have to

953
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: look at current day and Latinos LATINX artists have clearly

954
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: continue to be influential in American culture and continue to

955
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: make their market media and entertainment. Do you see positive

956
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: changes from the early two thousands to now or how

957
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: do you view this current moment of Latinos and media

958
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: and entertainment.

959
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it's a mixed bag.

960
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: Right.

961
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 4: On one hand, Absolutely, there's so much progress, like the

962
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 4: fact that we can have somebody like Bad Bunny who's

963
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 4: like not trying to make himself translatable and not trying

964
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 4: to make himself palatable, not trying to make himself even

965
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 4: legible to a sort of like white mainstream audience, and

966
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 4: he can still become like the most powerful, like global

967
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 4: pop icon in the world without contorting himself to like

968
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 4: a white gaze. My like little nineteen eighty five brain

969
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 4: is still like blown away from that, you know what

970
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 4: I mean, because that was the opposite When I was

971
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 4: growing up, it was all about like assimilation, making yourself legible,

972
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: So in that sense, like I love it amazing. I

973
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 4: think in film and TV we still have a little

974
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 4: bit of a ways to go, Like there is it's

975
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 4: sort of checkered, you know, Like I saw the study

976
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 4: that like, you know, Latinos are just like overall overwhelmingly

977
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: miss underrepresented and like film and TV and we've known

978
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 4: that for a while, and then sometimes the portrayals we

979
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: do have or like a little cringe, you know, like

980
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 4: the the the contrived spanglish, you know, and that's become

981
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 4: like a meme like you know, are you gonna come

982
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 4: and eat my awilitas? You know, like and to me,

983
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 4: like I'm craving stuff about Latinos that doesn't cent her

984
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 4: Latini that that's not about love. Look how Latino we are? Mmmm,

985
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 4: that's not about like performing our cultural identity, but that's

986
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 4: just about like exploring our humanity and like, oh and

987
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 4: we happen to be Latino and like not to say that,

988
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 4: like our identity isn't always like informing us in some way.

989
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: But I want something like more subtle and universal, that's

990
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: not super heavy handed, that doesn't feel like, oh, this

991
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 4: is the Latino show about love. You know, I'm craving

992
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 4: a little bit of that, but you know, I do

993
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 4: think there's progress and there's more.

994
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: To be made. Amazing love. Thank you so much, this

995
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: was such a fun conversation.

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