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Speaker 1: are you Have you been drinking today? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: You're acting kind of a raddic. It's a well what

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Speaker 1: don't be working on a podcast. I'm going to drink

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Speaker 1: some wine to lubricate the mind, to get me into

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Speaker 1: the place where the muse can is it me? You understand?

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Speaker 1: I see nothing wrong with drinking a bottle or two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's like eleven am the dog.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't be in the state so early in the day.

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Speaker 1: The early bird catches the worm, and what the worm

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Speaker 2: Yes, the the thespian worm.

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Speaker 1: I suppose with thespian worm. And I'm running out of

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Speaker 2: I would say, no, don't drink that. That looks like

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Speaker 2: a It looks like a flask, but it's actually lighter

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Speaker 1: You don't want to drink that. No, you can't drink that. No,

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Speaker 1: I know it looks like alcohol. Did you ever see

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Speaker 1: the movie The Master with Joaquin Phoenix? I have, In fact, yes,

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Speaker 1: he was drinking a bunch of chemicals and he turned out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't want anything bad that happen to you, even

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Speaker 1: Well, how about this we record for fifty this podcast

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Speaker 2: I don't even know why you would have that anyway.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll see how you feel well always okay,

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Deer Movies. I Love you, Dear, I love.

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Speaker 1: I Love You. This is a podcast for those who

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Speaker 1: are in a relationship with the movies. My name is Millie.

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Speaker 1: To Jericho, my name is Casey O'Brien, and.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, we're back with you. A brand new year

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Speaker 1: I haven't made any New Year's resolutions yet, and I

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Speaker 1: I would like to be called let's take the year off, Millie,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's that kind of movie, a stoner movie,

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Speaker 1: hippie movie. It's a cult film. People kept saying it

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Speaker 1: Criterion film. Themes paranoia, drinking, homosexuality, drug use friendship male

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Speaker 1: friendship to be precise standout actors. This is Richard E.

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Speaker 1: Grant's first movie, and I love him. Yes, me too.

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Speaker 1: What is your personal connection to this movie? Do you

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Speaker 2: I mean I think this, Like you said, this movie

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Speaker 1: I feel like Richindie Grant has aged so well, like

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Speaker 1: And I think, so that's sort of my personal connection

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Speaker 2: Okay, because this is something that I've never asked you

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Speaker 1: And then also it's a look, like I was like,

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Speaker 2: Now, if you wore like a letterman's jacket, that's vintage

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Speaker 1: grade school at my school, and then in high school.

433
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: I was very active in theater. I was in plays

434
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: every season. My senior year, I co wrote a play

435
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: that got put on by our theater program, which was

436
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: the first time that ever done that. The school I

437
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: went to had its own like theater track. It wasn't

438
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: an art school, but we had kind of a theater

439
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: school within our high school, and I went I was.

440
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: I attended that school.

441
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: Was the play that you wrote, the one that was

442
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: ripping off Garden State?

443
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: Was it ripping off? Did I say that in the

444
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: Garden State episode?

445
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: Did you say you wrote something that was very similar

446
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: to Garden State?

447
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: It is? Yeah, Yes, Yes, that was the play. Was

448
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: that I'm you know what, I'm honestly think trying to

449
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: think because I feel like there were multiple things I

450
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: made that work inspired by, but I think that that

451
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: one was because it was about someone going back home.

452
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: It was called the name of the play was Prodigal, Yes,

453
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: you talked about that. And it was so melodramatic and

454
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: so heavy. It was like a man returns to his

455
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: childhood home to take care of his father who's been

456
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: debilitated by a stroke. And it's like so insane that

457
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: I was. We were like seventeen, and we're like, this

458
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: is so important what we're doing. And it's like so

459
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Max Fisher and rushmore, Like it's

460
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: just so like why not write something about being a

461
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: high school or like something you know a little bit more?

462
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: You know, it was like so or whatever. Yeah, yeah,

463
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: I was like being Vietnam. But I was very involved

464
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: in the theater. And then I went to college. I

465
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: went to film school, and actually I wasn't able to

466
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: act in stuff because of film school. You know, I

467
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: was on I did like some improv stuff in college,

468
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: but like being in the film program did sort of

469
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: prohibit me from acting for a while. And by senior

470
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: year of college, I was like sort of sad that

471
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't acting and stuff. So right after college, I

472
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: started like trying to pick that up, and I'd be

473
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: in my friend's films more. I advertised myself more as

474
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: an actor, you know, like I'll be in your movies, yeah,

475
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then as a result of that, my

476
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: friend JP, who worked for this production company called Sandwich Video.

477
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: They do a lot of tech commercials. JP was like, hey, Casey,

478
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: can you be in this commercial? Like we need somebody.

479
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Somebody dropped out basically, and then I became kind of

480
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: one of their like stable of actors that were in

481
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: a bunch of their commercials for a few years. And

482
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: through that I got an agent what and I was

483
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: auditioning for commercials and booking sort of. I never booked

484
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: a major commercial, but I'd be in like random stuff.

485
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: And I was also I was working at an art

486
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: gallery at that time part time. I was kind of

487
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: picking up random stuff during that time, but I was

488
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: making essentially no money, and I was absolutely miserable and

489
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: auditioning and just smoking. It was me. I lived with

490
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: my friend Tom, and he and I were in a

491
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: very similar situation, and we just would smoke cigarettes all

492
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: day and drink all night and just be like miserable

493
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: and feel like shit. And Tom.

494
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: Toms the friend that got the card of cigarettes thrown

495
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: to him from there.

496
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: They were thrown to me, but Tom was there to

497
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: witness it. We lived down the on our block was

498
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: a convenience store where we're buy cartons of cigarettes from

499
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: and I told the story before, but they were out

500
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: of cigarettes one day and they knew us. And I

501
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: was standing in our living room and I could see

502
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: the shop owner walking towards our apartment holding up a

503
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: carton of cigarettes and he threw it through my balcony

504
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: window too, and it landed in my arms in my

505
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: living room, and Tom was sitting on the couch just

506
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: seeing a carton of cigarettes fly into our apartment into

507
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: my arms. God, that is magical. It was magical. It

508
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: really was magic. But we were also like, oh my god,

509
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: we were so we were like these idiots in this movie.

510
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: We were just like depressed and felt like shit. And

511
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: Tom was an actor too, He was, I mean he

512
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: is an actor, was an actor, but he was doing

513
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: more like screenwriting stuff and he was working for a

514
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: production company at the time, but I think he was

515
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: actually unemployed for part of that time too. He was

516
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: kind of on and off with them, So I'm not

517
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: exactly sure the timeline of that, but we were just

518
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of around all the time. Yeah. Yeah, Well you guys.

519
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: Were like, LA unemployment is I feel like I can

520
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: I can say this without having been unemployed in LA technically,

521
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: but plenty.

522
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: Of people around me were. Yes.

523
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: And it's a different type of unemployment than pretty much

524
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: anywhere else.

525
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: In the country. Yeah, because there's so many people in

526
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: that same boat. It's like a whole it's like a

527
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: whole society unto itself. Yeah, and a lot of times

528
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: they're like beautiful, and so it's like you're just beautiful.

529
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: Came with Tom and I we were beautiful.

530
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's so funny that I just didn't know anything

531
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: about your acting life. I think it's so interesting. I mean,

532
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: it makes sense when you when you talk to.

533
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: Me about how you used to be an actor. I'm like, oh, yeah,

534
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: that makes sense. This all lasted probably probably one year

535
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: where I was kind of like, let's give this acting

536
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: thing a go, you know, and then I kind of

537
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: ran out of money and I got a job at

538
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: a preschool.

539
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 2: Is there any clips of you anywhere? Can we like

540
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: look you up on YouTube?

541
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I'm out there. Wait a minute, Wait a fucking minute.

542
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: I gotta do this absolutely right now. Let me, I

543
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you'll be let me. Let me look

544
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: them up for you and I can send some to Okay,

545
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: here I found one. I'll just send one to you

546
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: and I can mine more later. It's gonna make my

547
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Let's see it. Let's fucking see it. Oh,

548
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: look at this baby with the big hair, I know,

549
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: big time baby. Wow, you are smoldering in this ha

550
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: you look like a fucking stud. Oh my god. Wow,

551
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. That is fucking awesome. Dude,

552
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: Is that funny? I was. I'm having a hard time

553
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: finding all these other ads because they're like just buried,

554
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, in the internet.

555
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we have to post that. If you don't post that,

556
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: and I'm quitting, period.

557
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I quit.

558
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: If you don't post that, everybody has to see this baby, casey.

559
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: Wait, So how old were you I was? How old

560
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: am I now? I was? I'm thirty seven. Now I

561
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: think I was twenty five. Oh my god, we're twenty

562
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: four in that. So that was Millie just watched one

563
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: of my commercials. And it's having a very large reaction

564
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: to it. Uh, if you don't post, there's a lot

565
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: of me out there. This is my commercial work.

566
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: Fucking fantastic, dude, what a secret world I've just uncovered

567
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: of your acting work. Do you have a headshot? Will

568
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: you post your head shot?

569
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: Well? I post my head shot? Do I have any

570
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: more of my head shots? See? This was like, I'm

571
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: sure I have it digitally somewhere. I could post it.

572
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: All right, you know what to do. Let me make

573
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: a note of this. Let me make a note of this.

574
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, reminder to post on social medis because this is

575
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: rich This is incredible. All this to say, this is

576
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: this amazing period of your life was what made you

577
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: connect to with Nail and I on a much deeper level.

578
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Is what you're saying. Absolutely, man, We're we drinking a

579
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: lot too. It's so interesting.

580
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: I was gonna say this probably later as we go

581
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: through the plot a bit, but I this movie, I

582
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: mean quite obviously we picked it for this episode because

583
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: it is wall to wall drinking pretty much the entire time.

584
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: And would you say that with Nail Richard Ye Grant

585
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: character drinks way more than the Paul McGann character mar Wood.

586
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would definitely say, and he's kind of the instigator,

587
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: like we need to get alcohol, we need like it

588
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: seems like mar Woo's kind of on for along for

589
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: the ride, and that was not the case with like

590
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: Tom and I, we were you were both with Nail,

591
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: little with Nails.

592
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I am I basically when I

593
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: was watching this movie, it kind of hit me that

594
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: I have never drank this much in my life, even

595
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: in my lowest points, I was never a with Nail.

596
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: I am definitely the eye character. I'm the one that

597
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: has to speak since into the much drunker friend, which

598
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: is fine. I have resigned to this fact. However, I

599
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: will say that I did smoke a lot more weed

600
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: than I did drinking. I don't think even in my

601
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: weed days.

602
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I was never with Nail.

603
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, I probably in the aggregate haven't drank this much.

604
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should say that Tom and I were more

605
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: like with Neil and Marwood combined because we weren't like

606
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: out of control. But we also weren't as passive as Marwood.

607
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: You know.

608
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: So you're saying that even in your drunken hour, you

609
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: could get it together and be like, oh, fuck, I

610
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: do have an audition.

611
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: I've got to get my shit together. Yes, and we

612
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: would never drink lighter fluid or the equivalent to that. Okay.

613
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: One character that I just wanted to point out is

614
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: the character of Danny, who is a drug dealer. Yes,

615
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: played by Ralph Brown. Yes, and Millie you pointed this out,

616
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: but he plays essentially the exact same character in Wayne's

617
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: World two. Okay.

618
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: So upon seeing this movie again, which had been a

619
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: very lot of time since I've seen this movie, I

620
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: sat there for about forty five minutes and I was like, this,

621
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: this guy is somebody?

622
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: Who is he? What is like? How come I've heard

623
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: this voice before? This was an oft quoted character in

624
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: my friend group in the way Wayne Yeah.

625
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it hit me. I was like, it's

626
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: got to be from Wayne's World. I actually thought it

627
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: was from Wayne's World one until I did some research

628
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: and found out it was actually the second movie. But yeah,

629
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: he pretty much plays the same character, right.

630
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I thought in Wayness World two, I'm like,

631
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: this guy's in his fifties, but I actually think he's

632
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: like thirty five. That's British people for you.

633
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: I suppose that's like such a funny Uh, it's such

634
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: a like who to the credit of Mike Myers or

635
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: whoever was working on Wayne's World two to like bring

636
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 2: that guy back.

637
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, they must have seen with Nil and I

638
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: had been like, of course, oh, let's get that guy

639
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, all right, let's move on to the

640
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: next part of the movie if you don't mind. Yeah. Oh,

641
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: the only one thing I wanted to say, yes, is

642
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: that just a little bit of background. You talked about

643
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: handmade films, Like, yes, I did, because they had they

644
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: had recently put all of them or like a lot

645
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: of them on the Criterion Channel, and I watched Time Bandits.

646
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: That's one of the handmade fields. Sorry, continue what you

647
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: were saying.

648
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I was gonna say that production company is

649
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: co owned by George Harrison of the Beatles, which I

650
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: think is interesting.

651
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I wonder if that's how they were able

652
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: to get the rights to the music in this movie,

653
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: because they have like a lot of Jimmy Hendrix and

654
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: then they also have the Beatles in the movies. So

655
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, I wonder if he was able

656
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: to be like pull some strings, so he raised those wheels,

657
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, raised those wheels. Okay, So they're going out

658
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: to the country with Nail and I going out to

659
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: the country in they're beat up little car and they're

660
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: driving in the horrible rain, and with Nail is drinking

661
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: or sleeping the whole ride. And when they get to

662
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: Uncle Monty's cottage, it's a piece of shit. I mean,

663
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: it seems awful. It seems it's like there's no food,

664
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: there's no wood, it's just this undown cottage, probably hundreds

665
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: of years old. It's miserable and cold. They try to

666
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: purchase food from some locals and that's a no go.

667
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: They're not nice. And they also run a foul of

668
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: a local poacher played by Michael Elphick. And when they

669
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: meet him, he has like pheasants in his coat and

670
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: eels down his pants and he won't give them any food.

671
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: And with Nail and Marwood are convinced that this guy,

672
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: his name is Jake, this poacher, that this guy's a

673
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: psychopath and is going to kill them because he keeps

674
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: showing up to their cottage with a gun. Yeah yeah, this,

675
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this made me think about traveling with friends,

676
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: you know, like those trips where it's like we're going

677
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: to a cabin and we're going to stay the weekend

678
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: with friends, or like going to Palm Springs, renting a

679
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: house in Palm Springs. And it can be fun, but

680
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: it can also be kind of miserable because you have

681
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: to like organize making food and all that. And this

682
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: certainly felt miserable upon watching. Yeah.

683
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: We talked to about this when we had Katie Walsh

684
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: on the episode when she was talking about the yea

685
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: yes from a while back, because I had read this

686
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: article again. I don't know if it was the New

687
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: Yorker or New York Times magazine, one of those one

688
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: of those talking about like the etiquette of going on

689
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: vacation with your friends, yes, and sort of like best

690
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: practices in order to stay friends after the trip. And

691
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: I have been on so many trips with friends. It's

692
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: kind of like the only way I traveled back in

693
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: my twenties especially, but even now in my forties, Like

694
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: I do love renting houses with friends, Like I think

695
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: it's probably the type of vacation that I like the most,

696
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: because I don't unless I'm traveling alone. I feel like,

697
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, like I like to

698
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: travel alone when I want to go to a place

699
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: and do a bunch of stuff I want to do,

700
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: Like I when I went to Japan for example, Right, yeah,

701
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I want to hit all my

702
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: little stores and do all my little things, and you know,

703
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: I just feel like that's best done alone for the

704
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: most part. But then my preferred type of vacation is

705
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: one where you just like go and run a big

706
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: house and just sit around playing you know, wordle and

707
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: cooking and being lazy and shit. Right, that's my preferred vacation.

708
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: See, I hate a board game, so I'm a little

709
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: bit afraid of those situations because I feel like renting

710
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: a house with friends invariably a board game comes out. Well,

711
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: my friends and I really don't play board games. If

712
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: we do. If we do, we play cards, which I

713
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: feel like is not a board game and actually is

714
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: cooler than playing a board game. Sure, or we watch YouTube,

715
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: which is depressing. But like, the last.

716
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: Time on my like, so last time I ran in

717
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: a house with friends was my birthday and we went

718
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: to a lake house, my friend's lake house here actually

719
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: in Georgia, which you it's out, and we watched fail

720
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: Army compilations for like hours.

721
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: My god, that sounds like a fucking dream. Oh it

722
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: was great.

723
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: We're like, you know, we were like smoking our vacation

724
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: cigarettes and having beers and just laughing at people fallow

725
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: over fences and shit, it was awesome.

726
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: I have so many good memories of like laying around

727
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: a laptop with all my friends and like just watching

728
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: stupid videos on them.

729
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: Yes, it's I kind of do it a lot with

730
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: my friends because I.

731
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: Feel like we're all so.

732
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: Just completely laid out my life at this point that

733
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: were like don't want to challenge ourselves, and it's like

734
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: I usually just go over to my friend Eddie's and

735
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: we just watched like weird clips off YouTube or you know,

736
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: we watched.

737
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: It's a very passive activity, right, and it's nice but

738
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: it's cool.

739
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: It's like low stakes, which I love. But it's the

740
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: thing that is interesting to me about with Nail and I,

741
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 2: especially at this part where they're going to the country house.

742
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: Is that so I.

743
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: Love movies that are set in England. I mean, what's

744
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: not to like the cottage life, the like stone fireplaces

745
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: and the giant bottles of wine and like, I don't know,

746
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 2: just the fucking englishness of England. But anytime I see

747
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: a movie about people who are staying in England and

748
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: then the weather is bad and it turns ugly, like

749
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: the circumstance turns ugly, like there's no heats and there's

750
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: no food, I start to think that it is the

751
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: most miserable place you could ever be.

752
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like the worst weather there is is

753
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: when it's raining and it's like forty degrees yeah, and

754
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: it feels like that's like the predominant weather system of England,

755
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: so it seems like totally miserable and freezing. Yeah.

756
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: The last time I was in England, that was the case.

757
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: I went there in February.

758
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah recently.

759
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the past couple of years and uh not

760
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: this past February. No, no, no, this was like three years

761
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: ago or something. It was, I'll just say it.

762
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: I was recently unemployed. I remember this, and I was so.

763
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: Depressed and had a depressing, raining, forty degree European quote

764
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 2: unquote vacation.

765
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't know it was a vacation, but it was. Uh.

766
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: I was feeling it big time.

767
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: And it was like, it's funny because, like I said,

768
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: it can go from one hundred zero really quick. And

769
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: I was circumstances because I'm like, oh, this is so

770
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: cozy and warm and the fire and the you know,

771
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: the mulled wine or whatever. And then you're like, it's

772
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: fucking freezing and it's everything is dripping with water. And

773
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: in this movie, that's what they're experiencing in this cottage.

774
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: You're just like fucking miserable, and I'm like, oh, I

775
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: could feel it in my bones, you know.

776
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Richard y Grant's constantly like, I'm freezing. It's

777
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: bitterly cold. I was going to ask you this at

778
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: the top. You know, both these men are pretty disgusting roommates.

779
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a disgusting roommate? Have you been

780
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: the disgusting roommate? Casey?

781
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I have lived with so many dudes in my life,

782
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: and that's all.

783
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: I have to say. I will say I've lived with

784
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: so many dudes in my life, and that's all I'll

785
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: have to say. You know what I am a I'm

786
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: a clean, tidy roommate. I'm a dream good I mean emotionally,

787
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: I might be a difficult person, but cleanliness, I'm pretty

788
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: good to go. But I've been I've been in some

789
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: disgusting situations. And watching this movie kind of brought me

790
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: back to that because I'm like, you know, I haven't

791
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: lived in such filth in such a long time. It

792
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: would be like such a culture shock for me to

793
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: go back to living that way. Yeah, I mean, I'm

794
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: not saying I was a good roommate.

795
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: In fact, I think probably half my roommates hate me

796
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: for reasons I kind of don't.

797
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's my same percentage too. Yeah, I

798
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: was a bit of a baby and a few roommates

799
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: specifically I like screamed at and moved out immediately because

800
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: we had like a fight. Yeah, and I was mad

801
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: at them. I was just broke, do you know what

802
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Broke as fuck?

803
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: And this is the thing that I think, looking back

804
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: on all of it, which gives me kindness towards anyone

805
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: that I lived with in my twenties, which is that

806
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: we were all broke as fuck. Unless you weren't, unless

807
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: you were a trust fun kid, then go fuck yourself

808
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: and you know who you are. I'll just dangle that

809
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: out there.

810
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: Like some of my I had some roommates who.

811
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: Had extremely wealthy parents or or the situation where they

812
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: were dating somebody who was extremely wealthy and like didn't

813
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: need the situation at all. Yeah, And in that case,

814
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, fuck you, Like why you picking on

815
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: me for, you know, not paying the goddamn phone bill

816
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: for a month. But even in that situation, I've been

817
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: on the opposite end where I was the one paying

818
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 2: the bills on time and somebody couldn't get me money.

819
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: And now I look back on it and.

820
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: Be like, well, of course we were fucking twenty two

821
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: years old. Well how else are we supposed to live,

822
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But at the time, I

823
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, so and so like didn't get me

824
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: their water bill payment or whatever, and it's like, yeah,

825
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 2: it was a big deal. I guess to be owed

826
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: forty three dollars when you're twenty two.

827
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, But you know, it is funny that with Naila

828
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: and Marwood, they're like twenty nine, so they are like yeah, yeah,

829
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: they're like almost thirty, so it is sort of funny. Yeah. No,

830
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: I clucked that about them pretty early. I was like, oh, they're.

831
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: Probably like, you know, old enough to not have to

832
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: reach their hand into a murky sink. Yes, and a

833
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: rat is going to bite them.

834
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

835
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: I was like that happens very early on in the movie,

836
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: and I was bracing myself time.

837
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: That was good. All right, I'm gonna do the next

838
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: section here. Okay. So they're at the cottage and they're scared,

839
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: and one night someone breaks into the house and they're

840
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: convinced it's the poacher Jake who's come to kill them,

841
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: but it's that fucking uncle Monty just dropping in. And

842
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: Monty is annoying and he keeps making sexual passes at Marwood.

843
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: But he's brought a lot of food and wine, so

844
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: that's good. And Marwood is trying to get out of

845
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: there because he got a telegram that said he got

846
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: a callback for acting, and you can tell with Nell

847
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: is a little jealous, but Monty kind of like won't

848
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: let them leave. And one night, with Nell passes out

849
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: drunk and Monty, uncle Monty makes a move on Marwood

850
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: and Marwood has to lie and say that he and

851
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: with Nell are together to get Monty away from him,

852
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: but Uncle Monty not to night. You might recognize Uncle

853
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: Monty as Uncle Dursley. Is it from Harry Potter? Is

854
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: that their name? I've only seen the first Harry Potter?

855
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: Is that right? I've seen every single one that tracks

856
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: people of your generation really bit into that apple. We did. Yes,

857
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: he played Vernon Dursley in the Harry Potter movies. So

858
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: that's uncle having said that.

859
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: I know people twice my age that are obsessed with

860
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: Harry Potter too, so you know whatever.

861
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: But I'm not obsessed with Harry Potter anymore because of JK. Rowlings.

862
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 1: And it makes me sad because I was like, those

863
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: were a fun escape book and movie, and it was

864
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: fun every like Christmas. I knew Harry Potter would come

865
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: out and we'd go see that around Christmas time. So

866
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: and now I feel funny and weird about well.

867
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 2: Because she keeps double tripling, quadrupling down on everything every

868
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: fucking she's so evil.

869
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's so evil. You know. I didn't like

870
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: her when she said that. She was like, oh, yeah,

871
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: you don't care about this at all, Milly. But like,

872
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: basically all the books are done and then she's like

873
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: one of the characters. She's like, oh, yeah, they were gay,

874
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, we'll put it in the

875
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: book they weren't gay, like, and she she did other

876
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: things where she was like, oh yeah, that character did

877
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: this and it's like, but that's not in the book.

878
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: You can't just like, like, I don't feel like an

879
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: artist has eternal ability to go back and tinker, you know,

880
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: like anyway, Well, fuck her, am I right? Fuck her? Yeah?

881
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: I hate her? Yeah this I'm not wealty.

882
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: Actually I feel bad saying this, but he gives gay

883
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: uncles a bad name, you know what I mean.

884
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: Well, he's very aggressive.

885
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though there is this moment where I guess,

886
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: in order to stave him off, Marwood suggests that he

887
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: and Wnail are actually a couple.

888
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: Yes, And then Uncle Monty's like, oh my god, I

889
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: didn't know. I'm so sorry.

890
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to, you know, get in the way

891
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: of this or whatever. And at some point, like much

892
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: after the fact, he like writes him a letter. It

893
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: is basically like, hey, be free and gay, Nike, unlike

894
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: me who was never able to be or something.

895
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: And it was like it.

896
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: Actually kind of tugged on my heartstring a little bit,

897
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn, that's real. But you know,

898
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: just in the very it's very over the top and

899
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: it'll seem very cartoonish by modern standards to have this

900
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: gay character who's being so forward and Hansy and in

901
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: Undoe and that kind of stuff. But you know, like

902
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: I suppose there has to be steaks in this film,

903
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: because that's the thing is that with them was sort

904
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: of like a bad friend. I would say, he just kind.

905
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: Of sells.

906
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: Marwood out all the time in order for his own purposes.

907
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: He's basically like he's stoking this flame of his uncle

908
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: and Marwood a little bit, which I think is kind

909
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: of shitty because he knows that Monty can't leave because

910
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: he's got all the food and the warmth and the

911
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: yes and the you know, and all the stuff that

912
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: they need to survive. So it's kind of shitty.

913
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a bad friend. Well, and I wanted this.

914
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: I wanted to actually read this this bit from this

915
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: interview that I found while I was doing research for

916
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: this week. It came from the Evening Standard magazine in

917
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, and I guess it was an

918
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: interview with Richard Y Grant, And I thought this was

919
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: so interesting because this movie is so much about drinking

920
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: and drunkenness and you know.

921
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: Drug abuse or whatever. I just thought it was interesting

922
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: to read. So this is a quote.

923
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: The irony is that grant doesn't produce the enzyme that

924
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 2: processes alcohol. It is consequently unable to drink at all.

925
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: His first and only bender took place the day before

926
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: the final rehearsals for Withnail and I, and it took

927
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: him an entire night to get down a bottle of champagne.

928
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: The director asked me to but I paid the price.

929
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: I was very very ill.

930
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: He says. I'd have a drink and be violently.

931
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: Sick, but I kept forcing it down, so by the

932
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: next morning I was drunk, and then I passed out.

933
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: I woke up twenty four hours later. In fact, he

934
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: seems to have spent a lot of time on the

935
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: Withnail set throwing up.

936
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That's impressive, because I think it's really

937
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: hard to portray drunkenness, especially if you're not totally familiar.

938
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: With Yeah, if you've never had a drink, which is

939
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: what it sounds like. I mean, who knows, maybe he'd

940
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: had a drink. I mean he is British after all,

941
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: but like it says, he'd never had a bender, and

942
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: the idea that he can play drunk convincingly is really impressive.

943
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is impressive. Can you think of other actors

944
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: who are good Do we talk about this last year?

945
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: Actors who are good as drunks pretending to be drunk? Huh?

946
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Maybe not? Who are you thinking of? Well? I always

947
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: felt like Meryl Streep, but she's just an excellent act actor. Yeah,

948
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: but she was the one I believe that said to

949
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: play a convincing drunk, you have to pretend like you're

950
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: not drunk. Sure, that makes sense, which is interesting. And

951
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: then I remember Emily Blunt in the movie Is That

952
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: the Girl on the Train. She's an alcoholic and has

953
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: drunk a lot of that movie. But I was just

954
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of like, don't I don't buy it, Emily, you

955
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: don't seem And then she played a drunk in Oppenheimer Too.

956
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

957
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: I know a lot of great actors that can play high,

958
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: including Matthew McConaughey from Daisy Confused and also Rory Corkoran

959
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: from dayson Confused.

960
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: There are the two standout high actors in that film.

961
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, yeah, but even being high, you

962
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: can overplay that big time totally.

963
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: So that is fascinating about our friend Richardi Green. What

964
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: happened if you couldn't produce the enzyme to drink, then

965
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: I couldn't produce the enzyme to live. Frankly, I would

966
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: be that would be hard. I mean that is I'll

967
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: say it. Alcohol is one of the joys of my life,

968
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: and I it would be like taking away coffee. Yeah,

969
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: and I would just be sad. I would be very sad.

970
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: They probably like strip you of your Irish heritage and everything.

971
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: They'd take my badge away. You know, I love a

972
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: martini in the evening. I would say, I have one

973
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: almost every night. Wow, And it's a joy and a

974
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: delight and something I look forward to. And uh, maybe

975
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm drinking too much alcohol, but it would be I

976
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: would be sad. That would be hard for me.

977
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: Coffee is probably my version of that. I honestly cannot

978
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: imagine not drinking coffee.

979
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: I can't either. I would say coffee and martinis are

980
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: like equal for me. Yeah, like they It would just

981
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: be so painful. It would be like saying I couldn't

982
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: eat chocolate. You know, It's like just one of these

983
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: little fun things in life that I like. If you

984
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: don't have.

985
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: Your daily candy bar, you don't want to know you

986
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: That is what.

987
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: You're saying exactly, don't talk to me until I've had

988
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: my two snacks your sking size Snickers bar. All right, well,

989
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: all right, here you go. End of the movie, with

990
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: Nail and Marwood are driving back to London to get

991
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: Marwood to his callback. I guess Withnail has taken over

992
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: driving duties and is driving drunk and like a maniac.

993
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: He gets pulled over and arrested. They somehow it's not

994
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: really explained, but it's all fine. They somehow get back

995
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: to their flat and they find their drug dealer buddy Danny,

996
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: as we've spoken about before here he's hanging out there

997
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: and his associate presuming Ed played by Eddie Tago, and

998
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: they've sort of taken up residency at their apartment, and

999
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: mar Wood finds out he got the lead in the

1000
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: play and also they're being evicted. Yeah, so the movie ends.

1001
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: Marwood has gotten a haircut, with Nail is drunk, drinking

1002
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: out a bottle of wine and he's walking Marwood to

1003
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: the train station while drinking the bottle of wine, and

1004
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: Marwood's like, I'd like to go the rest of the

1005
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: way by myself. I'm going to miss you with now,

1006
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: and they say goodbye to each other and it sort

1007
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: of felt like for the last time. It didn't seem

1008
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: like they were going to hang out again. Yeah, did

1009
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: you get that impression? I think so. I think so.

1010
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think once the haircut happens, it's pretty

1011
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: much set in stone. I will say this, by the way,

1012
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 2: Marwood absolutely proves that hair is everything, because the moment

1013
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: that hair gets cut, I'm like, who is this?

1014
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: Like he changed, He really looks he's changed his personality.

1015
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

1016
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: And he went from looking like you, well, she kind

1017
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: of does, did she think?

1018
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: When I was watching this, I was like, this guy

1019
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: looks like me, the same glasses. We're both nervous about

1020
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: to suggest that you look like a character when he

1021
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: said his lowest point, right, Yeah, but you know, the

1022
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: curly hair really is present and all this stuff. But

1023
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: then like getting called a gay slur at a bar,

1024
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with that, oh dear well.

1025
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: I will say though, that the moment the transformation happens,

1026
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it just really is shocking how different he looks.

1027
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can say he's in the military, Yeah, exactly,

1028
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: mean his personality is like he's completely changed. Yeah, and

1029
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: you can tell.

1030
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: I mean he's done, so he's had enough trauma from

1031
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: this friendship where he's just like not looking back. And

1032
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: I have to say I kind of agree with him

1033
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: a little bit.

1034
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: Well. At the beginning of the movie, it starts with

1035
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: a voiceover and he says something like withnail that's starting

1036
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: to wear on me. Can I ask you a bit of.

1037
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: A potentially personal question, Yes, have you ever been the

1038
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: dumper or perhaps the dumpy in a friendship like that,

1039
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: like where one person drinks too much?

1040
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: Oh? Has anyone been.

1041
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: Like Casey, you're encourageable. I can't hang out with you

1042
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: anymore because you drink too many martinis. No, have you

1043
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: ever done it to somebody?

1044
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: I have never done it to somebody either. I feel

1045
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: like I've dumped friends in the past, but I would

1046
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: say most of the time it's things just erode, especially

1047
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: male friendships. It's kind of like, all right, because men

1048
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: are really bad at keeping up with each other. And

1049
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: so if you and I feel like I'm pretty good

1050
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: about keeping up with people, I'm always the friend that's like, hey,

1051
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm the botherer, And so if I

1052
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: decide to stop bothering, then the friend really does go away. Yeah,

1053
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: and so I've had friendships end like that. Yeah. And

1054
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean this movie it did make me. It did

1055
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: remind me of friendships of the past that were like,

1056
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: you're very tight with someone during a short period of time,

1057
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: They're like you see them more than anybody, and then

1058
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: a year later you don't see them at all and

1059
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: you'll never see them again. I've had a lot. I

1060
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: feel like I had a lot of friendships like that. Yeah,

1061
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: a lot of those I have with work people, work people, Yeah, definitely.

1062
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: But what about you. Have you ever dumped someone for

1063
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: those reasons the them drinking too much or are you

1064
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: drinking too much?

1065
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's the former, right, Because there was

1066
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: actually two major periods of my life that I would

1067
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: say that that happened. One was a friend of mine

1068
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: from high school, and the other was when I pretty

1069
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: much stopped DJing like ouse at I used to DJ

1070
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: at this bar for many, many years, and I stopped

1071
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: because I had a full time job and I was

1072
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: sort of like not hanging out as much and not

1073
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: hanging out as late. Found I found it kind of

1074
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: impossible to be a club DJ while working a nine

1075
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: to five job. I mean, that seems pretty obvious, but

1076
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: I think because of that, I had kind of just

1077
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: broken up with the entire bar in a way. It's

1078
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: like weird to say, because you when you were working there,

1079
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: you had all these bar friends.

1080
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: Right, and they were just like regulars.

1081
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: But then there were like the bartenders and then your

1082
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: friend's friends that were coming in, you know, and so

1083
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: you just got caught up in the whole social community

1084
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: of the bar.

1085
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: And for the most.

1086
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: Part, like when I stopped working there, I was sort

1087
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: of exiled from that world because it's like it kind

1088
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: of unfortunately makes you realize like you're not really friends

1089
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: with most of.

1090
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: Those people, do you know what I mean?

1091
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: And so I mean, they weren't calling to hang out

1092
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: with me outside of being at that bar, right, And

1093
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: then I started thinking about some of the people that

1094
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: I had made friends with from that bar and realizing

1095
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: that the only thing we really had in common was drinking.

1096
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: And when I stopped hanging out at the bar, I

1097
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 2: stopped drinking as much. And then it just kind of

1098
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: became clear to me that it was just like, not

1099
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: like the friendships weren't as wonderful as I kind of thought.

1100
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: That they were.

1101
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: And of course I was in my twenties too, which

1102
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: was sort of like you put up with a lot

1103
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 2: of shit in your twenties in order to be accepted

1104
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: by people totally. And I just had a clarity moment

1105
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: where I was just like, you know what, Like this

1106
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: isn't me. I feel like I don't know if I

1107
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: would necessarily be friends with these people if it hadn't

1108
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: been for this place. And I don't feel like they

1109
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: really know me or want to know me. And a

1110
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 2: lot of our friendship was spent like mutually ragging out

1111
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: people and just ragging out each other, and you know,

1112
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: it didn't feel positive necessarily, and so I just was like,

1113
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: all right, I'm out, and I kind of like just stopped,

1114
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: like I just kind of stopped showing up, and it

1115
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: felt fine. I don't know if it was fine, but

1116
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,479
Speaker 2: most people didn't fucking care. Like, no one they didn't

1117
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: reach out, No nobody was calling me to be like hey,

1118
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: let's work on our friendship.

1119
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, yeah, I guess that's what

1120
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 1: it is. Interesting. You know, in your twenties, I feel

1121
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of friendships where you're like

1122
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: a r I felt this way anyway, So I'm just

1123
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: speaking for myself, where I would be like, I feel

1124
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and I don't feel like I'm acting like myself. Yeah,

1125
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: but this other person is cool and I want them

1126
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: to like me, and so there must be something wrong

1127
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: with me, and I got to change that about myself.

1128
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: And then when you get a little bit older, you're like, oh, wait, no,

1129
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm fine. This person just sucks or like this person

1130
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: is the fucked up one, and I don't need to

1131
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: change about myself, yeah, anything about myself. Yeah, And I

1132
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be friends with that person anymore because

1133
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: they make me feel bad, you know. Yes, I certainly

1134
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of friendships like that. Yeah, I would

1135
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: say I spent a lot of my early years being

1136
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: in those.

1137
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: Friendships where I would feel like I could actually feel

1138
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: there were certain people that I would know that I

1139
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: just would like brace myself to be around because I

1140
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: just knew I wasn't coming authentically to them, Like I

1141
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 2: just felt like I was playing a role in their

1142
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: little cadre of weirdos or.

1143
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: Something like that, you know what I mean.

1144
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 2: That was really painful for me because again, as a

1145
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: fucking like eternal, lifelong people pleaser, I was just sort

1146
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: of like, oh, yeah, I'll be your little punching bag.

1147
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: You can like make fun of me because I'm not

1148
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: as cool as you or whatever, like whatever the metric is,

1149
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 2: you're not as blank as everybody else in the group.

1150
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: I just kind of felt like I don't want to

1151
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: be that anymore totally. So I accident and then the

1152
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: former scenario where I I stopped being friends with somebody,

1153
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: it just was because I was I was taking too

1154
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: much care of them ultimately, Like it was just was

1155
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: like kind of nutty, like I was getting calls in

1156
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: the middle of the night to come pick them up

1157
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: at bars and just kind of like apologizing for them

1158
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: and like doing all this stuff. And we were in

1159
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: high school, dude, Like it was like, yeah, I mean

1160
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 2: that's a lot too. But at the same time too,

1161
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: I was also in that role because that's the role

1162
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: I was born to play, was the you know, person

1163
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: that would come pick you up type of thing. But

1164
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: we and then this person I went to college together.

1165
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: It kind of got progressively worse, and then at some

1166
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 2: point I just was like I gotta cut it off.

1167
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: And then the unfortunate thing is that they actually ended

1168
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: up passing away a few years ago. Yeah, really, yeah,

1169
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: and uh and I wasn't friends, like we had not

1170
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: been friends for many years.

1171
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: But it was sad. It was sad when I found

1172
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: out that she died, but it.

1173
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: Was it's painful because it's like, that's the thing is that,

1174
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: like people, this is just such a sensitive it's like

1175
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: a sensitive situation when it comes to people who drink

1176
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 2: and do this kind of stuff, and it's like hard

1177
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: because you don't want to like make them feel like shit.

1178
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: But then you also gotta fucking.

1179
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: Tcb.

1180
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's like you gotta fucking move on with

1181
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 2: your life, and it's like hard. And this is the

1182
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: thing is that I feel like at the end of

1183
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: with Nil and I, he's basically just like the.

1184
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: Hair is gone, and so is this.

1185
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: I mean, we can't like I can't exist with you

1186
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: in this like way that we've existed.

1187
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: Soo much has happened, and.

1188
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: Obviously there have been so many points in this film

1189
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 2: where he was like not their friendship was not based.

1190
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: On anything real really, you know, it was.

1191
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: Based on sort of like tall tales and late nights

1192
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: type of thing.

1193
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean it is certainly like at

1194
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, you're kind of I mean,

1195
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been in that situation where I'm like, oh,

1196
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: I think of drinking as like a fun treat, like

1197
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: a dessert, and you are using it as a all

1198
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: the time kind of thing. And that's a difference in

1199
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: our relationship with alcohol, you know.

1200
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: Like hard it's hard to imagine that with mail could

1201
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: even do one hour of dry January?

1202
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: Do you think? I mean, I feel like we saw

1203
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: it occasionally in the movie, and he was a mess.

1204
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: He was like drinking fluid. He couldn't cut it. Does

1205
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: that count? Does does lighter fluid count in dry January?

1206
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: I think it counts double, actually counts double? Man? Oh man, Well,

1207
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: I really loved watching this. I really had a good time.

1208
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: I really I've never seen it before and it was

1209
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: a delight.

1210
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: I know that you don't participate in try January because

1211
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: you have a birthday, all right, and your daughter has

1212
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: a birthday.

1213
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, more my birthday than my daughter. Have you

1214
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: ever had another dry month? Though? Oh it's okay to

1215
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: not have, By the way, I don't I will judge you,

1216
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: so uh not completely dry. My opinion on dry January

1217
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: is that if you really need a dry month. That's

1218
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: not good. Like I feel like mirror. I feel like

1219
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are like, oh man, drive January

1220
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: in a week, we gotta I gotta drink double this week.

1221
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: You know where it's like. And then they hit it

1222
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: really hard at the end of Dry January, and I'm

1223
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't think that's good. I don't

1224
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: think beinge drinking in general is good, you know, But

1225
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going hard, you know, and the people who

1226
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: like do that on a regular basis, that's not good. Yeah,

1227
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, well but yeah, dry January. Here we are.

1228
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: Good luck to you out there if you're trying it.

1229
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: Good luck, good luck. All right, we're back with film advice.

1230
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: This first one is from Clarissa. Clarissa says some very

1231
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: nice things about us, and here, Millie. I'm not going

1232
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: to read all of them, but she said some nice things.

1233
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: She says she has a vivid memory of watching TCM

1234
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: and seeing Garbage Pail Kids and Dogville comedies and thinks

1235
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: you have something to do with that. That was me.

1236
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: There we go. You are right, Clarissa. All right, she asks,

1237
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: I need advice. I'm wanting to start a film community

1238
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,919
Speaker 1: where I live and specifically a Gorilla Filmmakers film festival

1239
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: for local filmmakers, artists, dabblers, first timers, etc. But I

1240
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: don't know where to start. Do you think anyone would

1241
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: even know what those are? Is my dream really just

1242
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: a dreamer? Do you think it's something obtainable? I would

1243
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: love your input on that, and if I follow through,

1244
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: I would love to send you an invite. Let me

1245
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: know what you think. Love you, bye, Clarissa. I thought

1246
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: this was just a good question about trying to form

1247
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: film community where you're at, and I don't know, it's hard.

1248
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice. I don't have as much

1249
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: advice for specifically like gorilla filmmaking, but do you have

1250
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: any advice about creating film community? Millie?

1251
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because I think Atlanta is actually excellent

1252
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: at this and has it's been for a long time,

1253
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: by the way, Like there's always been a pretty vibrant

1254
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: community of like film nerds here, but that I think

1255
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 2: it really really got kicked up a notch pretty much

1256
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: when I moved to la in twenty sixteen.

1257
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: So it was like, I don't know.

1258
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 2: I left Atlanta for five years and came back and

1259
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it's like everyone there's like a

1260
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: huge film scene here now with like lots and lots

1261
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: of young people who are like so cool. We're really

1262
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: lucky though, because we have a couple of different, like

1263
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: really strong places here that kind of film people can

1264
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: congregate and they all work with each other, which I

1265
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: actually think is the key. So Videodrome, which is our

1266
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 2: local video store. They're kind of like the center of

1267
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: the wheel. I mean, they've been around forever, ever since

1268
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, I was in college, and same people who

1269
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 2: own it, same people that have worked there forever, and

1270
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: it's just a bunch of like film nerds that are

1271
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: really cool and they're selfless.

1272
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: They'll do anything for you.

1273
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: They'll find a fucking movie that you've never even dreamed

1274
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: of seeing and will help you get that movie or

1275
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 2: figure it out for you or like, and they do

1276
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: so much with the community. They put on screenings, they

1277
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: do like events with like all these other film people

1278
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: from all over the country, and they bring people to

1279
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: the store and so it's kind.

1280
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: Of like they're there.

1281
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 2: And then the Plaza Theater, which is like the theater

1282
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 2: that's pretty much on the opposite corner of the video store,

1283
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: and the rep scene there is incredible and they both

1284
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 2: work together like Videodro and the Plaza and all of

1285
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: the people that are doing like programming. So it's this

1286
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 2: kind of heartwarming scenario because it feels like there's at

1287
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: least a couple of different places for people who if

1288
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 2: you're like into movies, where you can definitely meet people,

1289
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Speaker 2: definitely collaborate on things if you want, you can get

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01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 2: people to help you with making your movie. You know,

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01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: like people have found financing through this community. People put

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: on parties and you know, events and special little things.

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01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of amazing. And so that's the

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01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 2: thing is that if you have something like that where

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01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 2: you live, like try to see if there's like I

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01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: don't know, if you have a rep theater where you live,

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01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: I would, you know, if you don't already hang out there,

1298
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 2: start hanging out there a lot, but you know, just

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: sort of meeting people in those spaces, like anywhere that

1300
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: is like where people that might like movies would hang.

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01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 2: I know that not every city has a repertory cinema,

1302
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: so maybe there's a cool record store where, maybe there's

1303
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: a community theater that puts on plays or something. Anywhere

1304
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 2: that is like a center of arts in your town.

1305
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 2: Try and see what's going on there and maybe like

1306
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 2: hang out there to shows, volunteer, like do something.

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01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: But I think it's like where you end up meeting

1308
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: the cool people is through stuff like yeah, right, yeah,

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01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: I think that's great advice. I think also, you know,

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01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: if you want to, I think it helps to create

1311
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: something of your own too, Like if you want to

1312
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: create a gorilla filmmaking film festival, just do it like

1313
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: you can do it, like do it the best way

1314
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: you know how, and even if it's a small version

1315
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,919
Speaker 1: of it, like we're doing a film festival in my basement,

1316
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: do that. You know, it'll attract people like minded people

1317
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: when you create something. If you want to make a movie,

1318
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: like I just made my movie in Minneapolis and I

1319
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: don't know any film people here, but I, you know,

1320
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: posted on Craigslist and like Facebook groups and like, hey,

1321
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: I need help making this movie. And I met a

1322
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: bunch of people that way. And I feel like I'm

1323
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: still trying to make inroads into the community here, but

1324
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: that really helped. Creating something attracts people that are similarly minded,

1325
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to, like, if you want

1326
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: to make a like filmmaker's society or something create that

1327
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: and be like, let's meet at this bar at this time.

1328
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: You know, I think you have to put yourself out

1329
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: there to attract like minded people in order to create

1330
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: a community like that. But it is hard and it

1331
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: takes effort, and it really you really do feel like

1332
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: you're putting yourself out there, and it can feel awkward

1333
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 1: and stupid, but that's how you know, that's kind of

1334
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: the creative process in general. So yeah, that's a good question. Uh, okay, Millie.

1335
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,879
Speaker 1: I have a voicemail for you, and just a warning,

1336
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: this is an ASMR voicemail. Let's hear it.

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01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm Million Casey. This is Linda, and I have a

1338
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 3: YouTube channel called No Frills ASMR. Recently, I uploaded a

1339
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 3: video where my husband and I reviewed the movie Deliver

1340
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 3: Me Nowhere. It's the Bruce Springsty movie about Nebraska, and

1341
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 3: we loved it. And after I uploaded it, all these

1342
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 3: people came out, critics, like you know, big time critics,

1343
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 3: saying how awful it was, and it made me feel

1344
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 3: kind of insecure about my taste. And I wondered if

1345
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 3: the two of you have ever reviewed something and then

1346
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 3: later just seen it just by people you respect being

1347
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 3: you know, pummeled, and how you felt about that. I

1348
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 3: really enjoy your podcast. I go out walking most evenings

1349
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 3: and listen when it's available, So the longer the better.

1350
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 3: All right, guys, listen to you soon. Thanks.

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01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: Damn.

1352
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: I feel so fucking relaxed, do you.

1353
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I feel totally at ease now. Yes, all the

1354
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: stress and worry is completely gone. My goodness. I think

1355
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: this is a good question too. I feel like it

1356
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: really hurt my feelings when I liked something and someone

1357
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: I respected didn't like it when I was in film

1358
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: school and in my twenties. But you know, the more

1359
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: movies you see, the more film opinions you have, and

1360
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: the stronger those convictions are, and at a certain point

1361
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: you don't care and you like, I don't know. It

1362
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: took me a while, but like now I don't care

1363
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: if people don't like a movie I like. So yeah,

1364
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: but that certainly happened to me. It's disheartening, you know. Yeah.

1365
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like the first time that I

1366
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: read Pauline Kale eviscerates Stanley Kubrick, I was like, oh fuck,

1367
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: that's fucked up.

1368
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: Do I have the wrong opinion? Of Stanley. Really. Yes, yes,

1369
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: that's always the question I have. Do I have the

1370
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:03,879
Speaker 1: wrong opinion?

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Pauline Kill was you know, she had

1372
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:13,719
Speaker 2: some shit stirring tendencies. But I felt like I also,

1373
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: you know, I I don't know, as somebody who I

1374
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 2: don't know, was like obsessed with being a cinema shithead

1375
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 2: and sort of like a borderline edge lord teenage edge lord.

1376
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: I suppose.

1377
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 2: I frequently was like, oh, I like the thing that

1378
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: nobody else likes, right, Like, especially if you're into cult movies,

1379
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 2: you're always.

1380
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: Championing things that most other people think is garbage.

1381
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 2: Right, So you develop this like sense of yourself that's like,

1382
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 2: oh yeah, like I'm not liking the obvious thing, like

1383
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: I'm turning left when everyone's turning right. And then you

1384
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 2: find your people like Pauline Kill or any kind of

1385
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 2: like rabble rouser type and you're like, oh fuck yeah,

1386
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 2: like a lesser Bangs or somebody, you know, somebody that

1387
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 2: has like really what you feel is like great taste,

1388
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like seeing you quote unquote right

1389
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 2: and then they don't like something and you liked it,

1390
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: or you're just like oh no, my whole belief system

1391
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: is totally out of whack. And I remember, like, I

1392
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 2: don't know what it was, if it was The Shining

1393
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: or something that where I read her take.

1394
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh fuck, like.

1395
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, just was like a gut punch. But

1396
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 2: then it's so funny because then I grew up. I

1397
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: simply aged and it was like, oh, now I understand,

1398
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 2: Like I understand what she's getting at and where at

1399
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: the time, in my twenties or whatever, you know, you're

1400
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,919
Speaker 2: so precious about things, You're like eh. But then now

1401
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 2: I'm like mirroring fifty which sounds insane. I can't believe

1402
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying that, But it's like now I'm like, oh yeah,

1403
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 2: I can totally see that opinion, and maybe it's a

1404
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 2: little bit of what I think now too, Like I

1405
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 2: don't know, it's so interesting, but yeah, I don't know.

1406
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 2: It's it's it's hard though when you do, when you

1407
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: read that, you're like, oh, who am I?

1408
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: I guess I just want to say, like, even if

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01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: like someone you respect, a big time critic doesn't like

1410
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 1: something that you liked, that means nothing. You know, you

1411
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: should you it doesn't negate your liking of the movie

1412
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: and it's not. It doesn't. I feel like it's very

1413
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 1: easy to feel like, oh, I'm stupid. They think I'm

1414
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: a stupid person because I like this movie that they

1415
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: didn't like. And that's not true. You're not stupid. So

1416
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to friends and romantic partners, though, what

1417
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: happens then you just break up if you have a

1418
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: different opinion on a movie.

1419
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 2: Like if Tricia came home and was like, I can't

1420
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 2: fucking believe you like one battle after another?

1421
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: What a piece of shit? I mean, some version of

1422
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: that has happened where I was like, oh, I love

1423
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: that and she was like I hated it. Or she's

1424
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: been like I love that and I'm like stinkville. So

1425
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, it doesn't matter, it has no We're

1426
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: still together. Good for you and your maturity. Love that.

1427
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: But I will say I feel like Trisi and I

1428
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: agree on most movies. Though it's a surprise. It's kind

1429
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: of an interesting surprise when we just when we have

1430
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 1: different opinions and stuff.

1431
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, most of the time i've gotten

1432
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: an argument about a movie, it.

1433
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: Was from a man. It was a man who wants

1434
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: to argue with me. A man A man. Uh, very good,

1435
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: thank you.

1436
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 2: I was gonna say our podcast is probably the opposite

1437
01:20:58,640 --> 01:20:59,959
Speaker 2: of an ASMR podcast.

1438
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: It's disruptive, it's shrill, jagged.

1439
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 2: It will make you agitated. Yeah, well specifically my voice.

1440
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: No what do you say? Dude?

1441
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do listen back and go Jesus, Chris, can

1442
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 2: we tone me down a little bit more?

1443
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: No? No, shut up? Stop it all right? Uh? Okay,

1444
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: last question. This is kind of a quick kay, and

1445
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: it's more towards you, Hi, Milian Casey. I'm reaching out

1446
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: because I've been really interested in nonfiction books recently, and

1447
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: I remember, back when the pod was I Saw what

1448
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: you Did, Millie had mentioned some oral histories of film

1449
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: that were either digitally available or printed. I've been wanting

1450
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: to dive into more film slash TV history while on

1451
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: this nonfiction kick. I was wondering if either of you,

1452
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 1: not me, I say parenthetically, had any recommendations for really good,

1453
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: fun or interesting oral histories, preferably printed. As I don't

1454
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,839
Speaker 1: love reading digitally because it can give me a headache,

1455
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: but I can get over it and make it work

1456
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: if it's only available online. Chloe, any good oral histories

1457
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: that come to mind milling. All right, let me think

1458
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: about this.

1459
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: First of all, I will say this is sort of

1460
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 2: an oral history. It's really more of like a recounting

1461
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 2: of Hollywood or something. But if you have not read

1462
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 2: the book My Lunch Is with Orson by Peter Biscuit,

1463
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 2: it was basically conversations that occurregd with Orson Wells and

1464
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:45,480
Speaker 2: the filmmaker Henry jaglum Man. That was like the funnest, bitchiest,

1465
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: radest book ever because Orson Wells is insane, was insane,

1466
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 2: had a lot of tea on so many fucking people.

1467
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: And you know, this is like at his high era

1468
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 2: of just like are smoking and drinking.

1469
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: He's at lunch and he's got a dog on his lap.

1470
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 2: It's like farting the entire time, and he's just like

1471
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 2: recounting sort of like his own personal history is entails

1472
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 2: of you know, working with people in the business. Yeah,

1473
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: it's so fun, it's so fun.

1474
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah. I love Orson Wells. I love when

1475
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: any of his quotes come up or I don't know,

1476
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: even on TikTok, I feel like there's been an old

1477
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: interview footage popping up occasionally, and he was he was great.

1478
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also the there's a book that's called Hollywood

1479
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 2: The Oral History that was written by Jeanine Basinger and

1480
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 2: Sam Watson. I think it came out I want to

1481
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: say it came out like maybe like a year or

1482
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: two ago. No, it was a yeah, maybe like two

1483
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: years ago, two or three years ago. Janine Basinger is

1484
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: a great writer, by the way, she's a great film writer.

1485
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: But it's kind of like, yeah, it's an oral his

1486
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: of like Hollywood, Old Hollywood.

1487
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1488
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 2: It's like there's so many famous people in that book.

1489
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 2: It's like Spielberg, Katherine Hepper, you know, Harold Lloyd. And

1490
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: so that's kind of like a good basic oral history book.

1491
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: And it's pretty big. That'll keep you busy for a while.

1492
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: But it's so funny because a lot there's a lot

1493
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: of oral histories about TV, which I think is really

1494
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 2: interesting if you want to go down that road. But yeah,

1495
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: there's quite there's quite a few out.

1496
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,839
Speaker 1: There are great. I think that was great. Yeah, awesome,

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Speaker 1: that was great. That was very helpful. I think that

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Speaker 1: was a perfect answer. I hope that helped you. Chloe.

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Speaker 1: All Right, it's time for employees' picks film recommendations based

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Speaker 1: on the theme of the discussion Millie, What's your pick?

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01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: Well, in the spirit of traveling to the country in England,

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: I decided to go with The Trip from twenty ten,

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01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 2: which I know is a TV show, but it's also

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01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: a movie. I think we know what this conceit is.

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01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 2: It's basically the comedian actor Steve Coogan and Rob Brydon

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01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 2: who travel, you know, to like different locales in the

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01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: UK and eat and it's all about food and drink

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01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 2: and fellowship. But then they drive each other fucking crazy

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01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: and it kind of reminded me of with Neil and

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01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 2: I a little bit in that way where it's just like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, having to go out with a.

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Speaker 1: Buddy of yours, maybe.

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01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 2: Like kind of a frene me let's just call it

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01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 2: a frenemy situation and having to interact with like the

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01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: locals and stuff in different towns.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Just kind of reminded me of that.

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01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: So that's my employee pick. Have you seen Alan Partridge

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01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: Alpha Papa from twenty thirteen. Oh it's good, really, it's

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01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 1: so old.

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01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 2: I thought Alan Partridge though, so I want to see it.

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01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 1: It's so fucking fun. Yeah, okay, we should we should

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01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: watch that. Uh. My pick is a movie from nineteen

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01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: ninety three called Naked. It is directed by Mike Lee.

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01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: It stars David Thulis. I'm just picking this movie because

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01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it sort of feels like a similar

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01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 1: vibe of with Nail and I in certain ways, it's

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01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: like young people living in London. All right, maybe it's

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01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: not in London. I don't know where Naked takes place,

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01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: but it's in England, and it just feels like these

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01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: people living in kind of squalor, and but they're also intellectuals.

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01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: Naked is much darker and not a comedy. I would say, Well,

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01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: maybe it's kind of a comedy, but the characters are

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01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of annoying. But it's a really powerful, amazing movie

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01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: and it's definitely on you know, the top of a

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01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 1: if you're If you're any sort of self respecting shithead,

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01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: you should see Naked from nineteen ninety three. Yes, it's

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01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: quite a film, but it's a tough one. It's a

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01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: much tougher watch than with Nillan. Yeah, I would say,

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01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: but that's my pick, good pick, love it. Wow. We

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01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: recorded another episode of the podcast manly. Uh, you held

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01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: your shit together in order to complete it.

1542
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 2: I do think you need a dry January now that

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01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 2: you've got pushed to the point of almost drinking Zippo fluid.

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01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: I did drink it halfway through. I just didn't say anything.

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01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 2: Well, couldn't tell at all. All right, Well, listen, hey,

1546
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 2: that's our show. If you want film advice, if you

1547
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 2: want to chit chat, if you want to speak into

1548
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: a microphone and sound all lovely and calming, We're at

1549
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 2: Deer Movies at exactly wrightmedia dot com. So that is

1550
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1551
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Speaker 2: send us a voice smail like Linda did, basically you

1552
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1553
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1554
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 2: at exactly rightmedia dot com.

1555
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Casey is in those streets. He's either responding or we'll

1556
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: post or will yep, we will talk about it on

1557
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:13,599
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1558
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 1: you'll get a personal little note from dear old Casey,

1559
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: or we'll talk about it on the show. Both are

1560
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: a treat. I would say. Please follow us on our

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1566
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: makes us happy. Next week, so it's January. Things are

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01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: bleak cool and so we're doing a bleak movie. Do

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01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: you want to tell him what it is? Millie?

1569
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,839
Speaker 2: Oh boy, strap the fuck in everybody. If you're snowed

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01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 2: in and you're not feeling good. I don't know if

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01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 2: I could recommend this to you, but I will. I

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01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 2: will recommend it to you only so you can list

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01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: start our podcast and know what we're talking about.

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01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna be.

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01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 2: Watching a movie called Come and See from nineteen eighty five,

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01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 2: directed by Elim Klimoff. Like we just said, it is

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01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 2: a hard movie. It is a bleak movie.

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01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen. It deals with war. Can I read

1579
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: you this quote by Roger Ebert about it? This is

1580
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: not a story. It's said that you can't make an

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01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: effective anti war film because war, by its nature is exciting,

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01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and the end of the film belongs to the survivors.

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01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: No one would ever make the mistake of saying that

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01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: about Elim Kleimov's Come and see This nineteen eighty five

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01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 1: film from Russia is one of the most devastating films

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01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: ever about anything, and in it, the survivors must envy

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01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: the dead.

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01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 2: Wow, Blake, well enjoy folks, that's what we're talking about

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01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 2: next week.

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01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh tuned for that one.

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01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 2: But uh, in the meantime, Casey, I'm so glad I

1592
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: got to watch your commercials.

1593
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: Fuck I forgot about it. We will never forget.

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01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 2: Okay, that shit better be on our social media right now,

1595
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: or I'm quitting this podcast.

1596
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not joking, Okay, Okay, people will get to

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01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 1: see my face out there. I'm not hiding these They're

1598
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: just no.

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01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 2: I think I think we're gonna have like engagement. I

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01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 2: think we're gonna have like a million views on it.

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01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying.

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01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh, so this is gonna be our break.

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01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is we're trying to get people. We're trying

1604
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 2: to get people to listen to the podcast. All we

1605
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: gotta do is post you in your little like fixy

1606
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 2: bike or whatever the fuck you're with your rolled up

1607
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 2: pant legs and ship. Excellent work. You should have wanted

1608
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 2: Cleo for that or whatever they give.

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Speaker 1: A peabody. All right, folks, Bye bye see ya. This

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Speaker 1: has been an exactly right production hosted by Me Milli

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Speaker 1: to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia Hartstark,

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