Speaker 1: Uh au Uh is that an introduction? Is that how
Speaker 1: a podcast starts? Okay, well that's the introduction of the podcast.
Speaker 1: I like the intro you did before we started recording
Speaker 1: better when I said, what's sophieing my liftmans? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I was. I'm obsessed with myself, I know, but I
Speaker 1: can never do the same introduction twice. That's fair, son,
Speaker 1: happen part of my contract with the government. So this
Speaker 1: is Behind the Bastards podcast about the bad people in
Speaker 1: the world. And uh, we're doing something a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little a little bit different today.
Speaker 1: See it's helpful in this show with all the breaking
Speaker 1: news that happens in the world and the fact that
Speaker 1: I sometimes go cover it live. Uh, to have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a backlog built up gives us some flexibility,
Speaker 1: let's just do things. And we lost that backlog this
Speaker 1: summer because of all the riots that I had to attend. Um,
Speaker 1: So we're trying to build that backlog back up. But
Speaker 1: I got it right, like twenty page is a week
Speaker 1: just to just to to keep moving. So we're we're
Speaker 1: working on some ways to get some to get ahead
Speaker 1: of it, and and one of them is Today's special episode.
Speaker 1: We're focusing on what I would call a little be bastard,
Speaker 1: someone who would not be enough to get an episode
Speaker 1: behind the Bastards on his own, but I do think
Speaker 1: is interesting in the way he's shitty. So I've written
Speaker 1: a short essay about him, and then we're going to
Speaker 1: delve into his book um and to help me explore
Speaker 1: this particular little be bastard. This this this, this special
Speaker 1: piece of crap. Uh is Sharine Lana Yoda. I'm back, fam,
Speaker 1: I'm back. Come monshurin weird talking about David Rubin. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you? That was wow the last little bee. I
Speaker 1: thought you would say, David Ruben? Should I David Reuben?
Speaker 1: I think? I mean that's good? Should I? Who? David Rubin? Is? No? You?
Speaker 1: You shouldn't? You sun't. He's very popular among people who
Speaker 1: are trash, um, very popular. He's like moderately popular because
Speaker 1: he hangs onto people who are very popular among people
Speaker 1: who are trash. But he himself is of of it
Speaker 1: best modest notoriety. Now, he's been very successful at writing
Speaker 1: the coat tails of some of the shittiest people in
Speaker 1: our discourse to modest success actually significant, like a lot
Speaker 1: of money, but that's the trash leach a trash leach. Um.
Speaker 1: Robert is stepped away, so it's my opportunity to say
Speaker 1: off the top. I just want I want to get
Speaker 1: out of the way. But I don't know if I
Speaker 1: could top my last appearance. That was a trip for me. Um.
Speaker 1: But I just really, really really want to thank everyone
Speaker 1: that reached out to me via email, Twitter, Instagram. I
Speaker 1: read everything you wrote. I tried to respond to everyone
Speaker 1: that I could, but it really meant a lot to me,
Speaker 1: Um and um, yeah, it was just really sweet and
Speaker 1: really affirmed that I should be vulnerable and normalizing. Talking
Speaker 1: about sex and sexuality is so important to me, and
Speaker 1: it's okay if I'm the vehicle for that sometimes. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just wanted to say a really quick
Speaker 1: thank you to all the listeners that are listening now
Speaker 1: that maybe have reached out to me, because your words
Speaker 1: really meant a lot. Thank you. That's very sweet to
Speaker 1: hear and very and very soulful, which is appropriate because
Speaker 1: the person we're talking about today, um doesn't have a soul,
Speaker 1: not a single ounce of soul. Yeah. Good to know.
Speaker 1: Good to know, which makes which makes this episode, which
Speaker 1: makes you the perfect guest was episode because you are
Speaker 1: full of soul and love and warmth. Oh thanks, I
Speaker 1: really feel dead inside most of the time, so that's
Speaker 1: nice that you have that impression of me. So, Sharine,
Speaker 1: you you don't know David Ruman. He's like a YouTuber.
Speaker 1: He's a right wing YouTuber. He gets a lot of
Speaker 1: coke money, um, and he's he's pretty trash. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna read a little essay about Mr Reuben, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna read from his book, which is called Oh
Speaker 1: You're gonna love it, Sharine. It's called don't burn this book, um,
Speaker 1: which is I think a pretty sad attempt to make
Speaker 1: people like to act as if there's anything actually um
Speaker 1: uh disruptive in there, as opposed to just being another
Speaker 1: cash grab by a guy who's basic modus operandi is
Speaker 1: to support the Republican Party. So David Joshua Rubin was
Speaker 1: born on June nine six. Obviously, since this isn't a
Speaker 1: standard episode, I'm not writing ten pages on this guy.
Speaker 1: But we do have to get some context of his
Speaker 1: career because it's interesting and he's emblematic of a species
Speaker 1: of grifter. He grew up in what he called a
Speaker 1: fairly secular household in Long Island. Uh. He came of
Speaker 1: age in Siosit, New York or psioset. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you fucking East Coast fucking I hate that whole
Speaker 1: fucking coast shrine. Um, it's s y O S S
Speaker 1: E T New York. He grew up there. He got
Speaker 1: a bachelor's degree in political silence at Binghamton University. UM,
Speaker 1: and despite a complete lack of talent and charisma, Dave
Speaker 1: decided that he was going to be a stand up comedian.
Speaker 1: So Dave decided that, like I, he was going to
Speaker 1: be a stand up comedian. And he's he had no
Speaker 1: talent in comedy, uh, no ability to really work a crowd. Um,
Speaker 1: but he decided to give it a shot anyway. So
Speaker 1: he started rampaging through a bunch of open mics in
Speaker 1: New York. Most of his jokes centered around the fact
Speaker 1: that that he was a gay man, and isn't that funny? Uh?
Speaker 1: Like that that kind of comedy? Heard that before? Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the early OTTs, he was one of the hosts
Speaker 1: of a podcast called Hot Gay Comics, UM, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure was very I love when people make their sexuality
Speaker 1: their entire personality. Yeah, I'm gay and I do comedy.
Speaker 1: That's the joke. Yeah. Uh. He made a public access
Speaker 1: fake news program like like a parody of a new
Speaker 1: Show in around two thousand UM, and he co founded
Speaker 1: a couple of comedy clubs. His career in Standoff never
Speaker 1: really took off like he was he was he had
Speaker 1: a certain level of prominence, like within a certain community,
Speaker 1: but it was not the kind of thing he was
Speaker 1: ever going to make a good living at, which is
Speaker 1: why he quit in two thousand seven UM. And I
Speaker 1: think looking at a few clips of him being a comedian,
Speaker 1: it's very clear why his career didn't take off, because
Speaker 1: he's he's very, very bad. He's he's a he's a
Speaker 1: void of charisma. And I'm gonna send you a link here.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I love that you put
Speaker 1: yourself through that, but now you're putting me through that,
Speaker 1: so oh yeah, no, absolutely thankfully. This is from a
Speaker 1: tweet by Nathan Robinson. I'm not sure if he's the
Speaker 1: person who collected the videos or not, but somebody took
Speaker 1: clips from a bunch of his different stand ups over
Speaker 1: I think it was probably over a couple of years.
Speaker 1: And so we just have him like a few different
Speaker 1: punchlines of his so we can see how how the
Speaker 1: crowd reacts to Dave Ruben lesbian's love. Am still, what
Speaker 1: is that? What is it? It tastes like water? Is
Speaker 1: there anything hotter than a lesbian spitting? Am still light
Speaker 1: all over herself? This is But I'm very uncomfortable and
Speaker 1: you I think you're gay? Are you? But your am?
Speaker 1: I right? No? Really, no Mormon? You raise your hand.
Speaker 1: Does anyone need their genitals warmed up? That is our show?
Speaker 1: All right? Did you guys have fun? Does anyone need
Speaker 1: their genitals warmed up? Yeah? That's a joke, get it?
Speaker 1: Because he's he's not straight, So that's the joke. Um,
Speaker 1: I did post this is this is pretty funny. But
Speaker 1: I did post this image the other day that has
Speaker 1: this wound on someone's arm and it says white guilt
Speaker 1: and then there's a band aid come and go over
Speaker 1: it that says queerness. Um. And I do think some
Speaker 1: people use their sexuality and or queerness, and this is
Speaker 1: coming from a queer person. White people use their queerness
Speaker 1: sometimes as a way to skirt around the fact that
Speaker 1: they're problematic, and that gives them this like leeway to
Speaker 1: say whatever they want when really, uh, it doesn't do
Speaker 1: that at all, if that makes sense. I'm like summarizing
Speaker 1: that meme in a very uh roundabout way, but weaponizing
Speaker 1: your sexuality is never really to to disparage someone else
Speaker 1: has never really uh advised in my opinion. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I don't think he was meaning to be disparaging at
Speaker 1: this point. I think it was just a matter of like,
Speaker 1: he's not a very good comedian and so, like, you know,
Speaker 1: this was the early early two thousands that was sort
Speaker 1: of like like you you watch a lot of TV
Speaker 1: shows that had like gay characters in them, and like
Speaker 1: the joke was that they were gay, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like they weren't trying to be mean. It was like attempting,
Speaker 1: Like there's a Simpsons episode that won an award for
Speaker 1: gay representation that is cringe e to watch these days,
Speaker 1: but like at the time they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the gay people in the show aren't monsters. Like it's
Speaker 1: like so I think he was kind of writing that wave, um,
Speaker 1: which didn't last long because people were like, oh, what
Speaker 1: don't we just treated everybody like people? And like didn't
Speaker 1: didn't you know and and Dave for material and really
Speaker 1: he couldn't reach very far. No, and he yeah, you
Speaker 1: can see. They're like, he can't work a crowd. He
Speaker 1: has no charisma. People don't like him, um when he
Speaker 1: does like a live show. And this made, you know,
Speaker 1: a career in live performances less than an ideal professional
Speaker 1: route for Dave. But he did have some talents. You know,
Speaker 1: he was good at organizing things. He put together some
Speaker 1: comedy clubs, you know, he was he I assume his
Speaker 1: show was funny enough that it earned him some like
Speaker 1: the the Local Access show, that it earned him some attention,
Speaker 1: and he got an internship with the daily shows John Stewart. Um,
Speaker 1: what yeah, which is big And this is like early on,
Speaker 1: like when John Stewart is like kind of having his
Speaker 1: big rise to prominence, you know. Um, so Ruben does
Speaker 1: that for a little while and I think it eventually
Speaker 1: leads him to get hired by the Young Turks Network
Speaker 1: and it moves to California and stuff, and the Young
Speaker 1: Turks is like a yeah, so like we'll talk about
Speaker 1: them in a second, but yeah, so he gets his
Speaker 1: own show, the Reuben Report on the Young Turks Network
Speaker 1: back up in thousands thirteen, Jon Stewart and the Young Turks.
Speaker 1: That's pretty left, you know. Yeah, and he's left at
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, he's he's he's at
Speaker 1: least masquerading as a progressive at this point. So he's
Speaker 1: like thirty seven years old when he gets his show
Speaker 1: with the Young Turks, and that's kind of his big break. Now.
Speaker 1: The Young Turks are a progressive left wing news network
Speaker 1: unadvisedly named after the architects of the Armenian Genocide for
Speaker 1: reasons to complicated to explain here. The network's number one
Speaker 1: claim to fame was providing the launchpad for the career
Speaker 1: of one of my favorite journalists, Ken Clippenstein, who who's
Speaker 1: pretty fucking cool, elips best Twitter follow you could ever
Speaker 1: hope for. Yeah, he fucking rules. Um So for a while,
Speaker 1: like that's kind of like it's a pretty you know,
Speaker 1: progressive network. Um, not hard left, but not democrat like,
Speaker 1: kind of soft left like sandersy. It's kind of where
Speaker 1: we'd say it. Um. And for a while, David's show
Speaker 1: was pretty standard like soft left wing fair I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote from rational Wiki here, kind of summarizing the stuff
Speaker 1: that he got up to on his and the Reuben Report.
Speaker 1: In its Young Turks days, he publicly criticized National Rifle
Speaker 1: Association commercials trying to incite the fear of consequences of
Speaker 1: gun reform laws being planned to be passed by the
Speaker 1: United States Congress. Addressed a decision by McDonald's to remove
Speaker 1: healthier foods from its menu in a critical manner. On
Speaker 1: a two thousand fourteen episode of The Young Turks, he
Speaker 1: rebuked self regulation in the economy and claimed that it
Speaker 1: has never worked, and he was supportive of single payer
Speaker 1: health insurance. So ok, yeah, he's fine, Like right, He's
Speaker 1: like a pretty normal, like kind of lefty democrat. Um.
Speaker 1: Nothing something too outrageous. There were, however, some early signs
Speaker 1: that something might be a little odd with Dave. In
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, when Israel invaded Gaza, they had
Speaker 1: that they had their war in Gaza. Um, the Young
Speaker 1: Turks did like a forty minute sort of like episode
Speaker 1: round table where they all kind of talked about what
Speaker 1: was happening, and Dave got into fights with absolutely everybody
Speaker 1: by kind of like not kind of by repeatedly defending
Speaker 1: his reel's behavior in the war UH and in subsequent shows,
Speaker 1: he repeatedly denied like war crimes that had been committed
Speaker 1: by Israel. He showed up on like a radical atheist
Speaker 1: kind of podcast to express a bunch of like like
Speaker 1: pretty much outright lies about Palestinian people in the Palestinian cause.
Speaker 1: So like there were some signs like, Okay, Dave's, something's
Speaker 1: going on with Reuben here, something a little bit not
Speaker 1: not the standard for the melieu he occupies as I'm
Speaker 1: wearing my Palestine shirt. Yep, Yeah, Palestine isn't free. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and neither is my time. Dave, Sorry, I should know
Speaker 1: that's nice. I didn't see the lower part. Palestine is
Speaker 1: free and neither is my time. That's funny, so Dave, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit odd. And he keeps getting into
Speaker 1: arguments with um, with other folks at the Young Turks,
Speaker 1: particularly the founder of the network, Shank Wager, and this
Speaker 1: is probably more or less like why he winds up
Speaker 1: leaving the Young Turks network. He and Jank had an
Speaker 1: escalating series of disagreements that started with Ruben's comments about Palestine. UM.
Speaker 1: Reuben himself would later claim that he grew apart from
Speaker 1: the left because of its obsession with identity, polics, hostility
Speaker 1: towards free speech, and unwillingness to debate openly. Um, he
Speaker 1: now has a completely different story for why he he
Speaker 1: left the left, But um, you know that that that's
Speaker 1: as will cover. That's the main reason that he's prominent
Speaker 1: now is that he used to be on the left,
Speaker 1: and he gives a bunch of lectures on why he left.
Speaker 1: Uh So that's kind of the whole He's just monetized
Speaker 1: that very effectively. So the Young Turks allowed Ruben to
Speaker 1: take his show and its YouTube account with him. He
Speaker 1: bounced around from company to company, including or A TV,
Speaker 1: which was founded by Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim and Larry King.
Speaker 1: That didn't work out, and Ruben went through a number
Speaker 1: of different hosts and networks over the course of about
Speaker 1: a year from until um which suggests he might have
Speaker 1: been kind of a pain in the ask to work with.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and sixteen, the Reuben Report went independent
Speaker 1: and Dave Ruben finally found the thing he was good at.
Speaker 1: See two thousand sixteen is like the easiest possible year
Speaker 1: you could have picked to get into the business of
Speaker 1: making right wing propaganda on YouTube. The mix of prevailing
Speaker 1: political winds and Google's algorithm meant that even an idiot
Speaker 1: could make money spreading quasi fascist propaganda for a while.
Speaker 1: And Dave, unfortunately was not a total idiot. In a
Speaker 1: move that showed just how savvy he could be, he
Speaker 1: pivoted his show to almost exclusively hosting guests who are
Speaker 1: members of what would come to be called the intellectual
Speaker 1: dark Web. Remember that thing. Yeah, so he Yeah, he
Speaker 1: sees that all these guys, these like kind of regressive
Speaker 1: right wing thinkers are rapidly gaining in popularity thanks to
Speaker 1: a mix of Google's algorithm and like just sort of
Speaker 1: the political you know. So he he starts having all
Speaker 1: these dudes on his show as they're rising, which number one,
Speaker 1: builds a relationship with them, so they keep showing up
Speaker 1: even as they get big, and it kind of allows
Speaker 1: him to siphon off from their fan bases and build
Speaker 1: a large fan base of his own, and this is
Speaker 1: a very effective tactic. Um he starts interfacing more directly
Speaker 1: with other chunks of the right wing UH information sphere,
Speaker 1: including Prager University UM, where he starts in a viral
Speaker 1: video called why I Left the Left UM and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna send you this clip. We're gonna start it at
Speaker 1: three minutes and twenty nine seconds, and you're gonna run
Speaker 1: it to four minutes in three seconds of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: lucky me. I know you're going to really be happy today.
Speaker 1: I will say the minute you look him up on Google,
Speaker 1: his face, well, I know I say this maybe every time,
Speaker 1: but a very punchable face, a very very if you
Speaker 1: look a punchable face, that's what comes up. For these reasons,
Speaker 1: I can no longer call myself a progressive. I don't
Speaker 1: really call myself a democrat either. I'm a classical liberal,
Speaker 1: a free thinker, and as much as I don't like
Speaker 1: to admit it, defending my liberal values has suddenly become
Speaker 1: a conservative position. So if you think people should be
Speaker 1: able to say what they think without being punished for it,
Speaker 1: that people should be judged by their behavior, not their
Speaker 1: skin color, and that people should be able to live
Speaker 1: the way that they want to live without government interference,
Speaker 1: then there's not much left on the left for you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get the idea. Yeah, that's the way he and
Speaker 1: the video is very successful. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: views is that fucker have right now? Serene, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it has over fourteen million views and two hundred and
Speaker 1: twelve thousand likes, and that has too many. All this
Speaker 1: to other with like having people like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, UM,
Speaker 1: and you know the kind of I d W intellectual
Speaker 1: dark web crowd on his show over the course of
Speaker 1: builds a huge brand for David Reuben UM. And again,
Speaker 1: the appeal is not Reuben himself, although I think he
Speaker 1: probably thinks that it is. The appeal is that he
Speaker 1: has all these people who are really popular on and controversial,
Speaker 1: and he's willing to UM. He's willing to have conversations
Speaker 1: with all of these people. UM. And he he consistently
Speaker 1: refuses to identify his right wing, as he said in
Speaker 1: the video, he calls himself a classical liberal. He endorses
Speaker 1: a libertarian, not Trump at Steen. But in spite of this,
Speaker 1: he repeatedly agrees with far right talking points, even endorsing
Speaker 1: banning Muslims from entering the United States. He has people
Speaker 1: like Mike Sernovich and Milo Yanopolis on his show, and
Speaker 1: Lauren Southern, who like went on his show and defended
Speaker 1: Richard Spencer, while he goes, uh huh, yeah, it's uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so much so. Yeah, his his episodes with these out
Speaker 1: and out fascists like Milo. We're ostensibly the civil debates
Speaker 1: that he claimed that he loved, but he never actually
Speaker 1: pushed back against any of these right wing folks like
Speaker 1: not never. Um, So they're not really debates. They're just
Speaker 1: him platforming and agreeing with terrible people because he's terrible. Um.
Speaker 1: Even when, like Ben Shapiro, his quote unquote friend expressed
Speaker 1: the opinion that Ruben's very marriage is itself a moral
Speaker 1: because Ben Shapiro doesn't then gay people should get married.
Speaker 1: Rubens like doesn't. None of this provides any conflict for
Speaker 1: Dave Ruben because, as will become increasingly clear, he's never
Speaker 1: believed in a single thing in his entire life other
Speaker 1: than Dave Ruben being famous and rich. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not that's a huge that's a great point. It's never
Speaker 1: about the platform or the politics or anything. And it's
Speaker 1: all about ego and is never about anything but ego.
Speaker 1: And he's just doing everything he can possibly do to
Speaker 1: enslate his ego. And and it's just it's not money,
Speaker 1: it's not about standing up for anyone but himself, And
Speaker 1: I mean not even that he doesn't even stand for
Speaker 1: his own marriage. I wonder what his husband thought about that.
Speaker 1: He talks about how dis agreements with jenk Or while
Speaker 1: he left the Young Turks, but also like the Young
Speaker 1: Turks were never gonna make him rich, Like I think
Speaker 1: they pay a living wage and he I'm sure he
Speaker 1: got a living wage. But you don't get rich working
Speaker 1: for those folks. I mean maybe Jenquez, but like that,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get rich doing that gig. You can
Speaker 1: get rich, especially in two seen being a far right
Speaker 1: YouTube group. And I mean the other thing about the
Speaker 1: Young Turks is that he would never be the main character.
Speaker 1: You know, he wants to be. He wants to be
Speaker 1: front and center, spotlight. He is not because it's about
Speaker 1: his ego, it's not by anything else. And the sad
Speaker 1: thing is he's still not the main character because he
Speaker 1: only has gained success by like attaching himself lamb prey
Speaker 1: like to more successful grifters. Um I'm gonna quote from
Speaker 1: Business Insider here. Ruben's interviewing style is to rely on civility,
Speaker 1: which in practice serves as a platform for the guests
Speaker 1: to present their arguments unchallenged. But the idea seems to
Speaker 1: apply for only one side. In a two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: interview within Democratic presidential candidate Mary Ann Williamson, Ruben scolded
Speaker 1: her for making what he called a slippery slope argument
Speaker 1: and comparing the Holocaust slavery. Guests like far right provocateur
Speaker 1: Milu Unapolis, who said Jews control the banks and media,
Speaker 1: Stefan Mulineux, who said blacks have smaller brains than whites,
Speaker 1: and Lauren Southern, who defended Richard Spencer's white nationalism is
Speaker 1: distinct from white supremacism, whom Reuben later called fearless, were
Speaker 1: met with no pushback at all when making egregious statements
Speaker 1: on the Reuben Report. Oh my god, Wow, wow wait
Speaker 1: can you that was too much? My brain can all
Speaker 1: of that? Yeah, it's a lot, right, because he's a
Speaker 1: piece of shit. He's just he's just garbage. Do you
Speaker 1: want to think about what you want to say while
Speaker 1: we take her quick? You know who's not garbage? You
Speaker 1: know who won't platform? Lauren Southern? Oh who products and
Speaker 1: services who support this podcast? Wow? No way, nice segue.
Speaker 1: We're bad. Got a little bit of good news before
Speaker 1: we dive back into Dave Reuben Uh. Harvey Weinstein's lawyer
Speaker 1: just said that if not released, till die in prison
Speaker 1: with the picture of him on a walker, which is like, okay,
Speaker 1: don't threaten me with a good time, bro, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I actually hate the idea of incarceration effectively used as
Speaker 1: a death penalty. But also, I'm not going to I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna use any
Speaker 1: of my fox that I have to give on fucking
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein right now. You know what I'll promise, for
Speaker 1: the sake of intellectual consistency, if we deal with thirty
Speaker 1: or forty thousand more pressing problems, I will care about that.
Speaker 1: Injustice yeah, yeah, I mean down the line. Maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: sure we we we take care of a few tenth
Speaker 1: and problems. Deal with climate change, you know, stop the
Speaker 1: rise of fascism. Reform the criminal justice systems, the black
Speaker 1: men stop getting murdered by cops, and indigenous people stop
Speaker 1: getting murdered by cops. Uh. In the war on drugs,
Speaker 1: release everybody with a drug related conviction. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: we we get all that done. Um, then I'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we should. We should make sure Harvey, you know, dies
Speaker 1: in a two bedroom apartment that is comfortable. It also
Speaker 1: keeps him isolated from the rest of humanity rather than
Speaker 1: locking him in a torturous cell. Um, I'll get on
Speaker 1: board that. I don't know. I think I would still, uh,
Speaker 1: we might disagree on this. I don't. I think he
Speaker 1: maybe should die. I think I would. I think you
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not willing to endorse him dying in prison,
Speaker 1: but I will have a long argument with you about
Speaker 1: whether or not he should die in prison while he's
Speaker 1: dying in prison, and then if he happens to die
Speaker 1: in prison while we're trying to come to an accord. Oh, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Okay, wait, okay, I see what Okay,
Speaker 1: I see, I see I initial uh my anger got
Speaker 1: the better of me. But yeah, you're right. I think
Speaker 1: I think you're completely right. I think justice needs to
Speaker 1: be served in a better way than just him disintegrating
Speaker 1: in a prison cell. I think he and um Paul Manafort.
Speaker 1: I think he and Paul Manafort should have to inhabit
Speaker 1: a small apartment in Keegan and Citrus a day. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, why seeing the Manafort roommates. I would watch
Speaker 1: that reality show and they can be the only ones
Speaker 1: picking citrus on whatever farm they're on, because neither of
Speaker 1: them can be allowed to talk to people other than
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, two old monsters grifting each other and
Speaker 1: picking lemons all day, entertaining to think about it is okay,
Speaker 1: So we're back to We're back to Dave Reuben de
Speaker 1: Rube Drew Um. So yeah, I'm gonna quote here from
Speaker 1: his rite up in Rational WEEKI about sort of how
Speaker 1: all of his positions changed is in as it became
Speaker 1: very profitable to be a right wing grifter. Of course,
Speaker 1: Rubin reversed his earlier stance on self regulation in the economy,
Speaker 1: saying on a two thousand eighteen episode of The Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan Show that he wanted major d regulation and greater
Speaker 1: self regulation after saying it never works. In addition, he
Speaker 1: showed an ever expanding devotion to bringing in controversial right
Speaker 1: wing figures, including those with sympathies to causes of objectivist
Speaker 1: style libertarianism and people with far right views on topics
Speaker 1: on his show In the Name of Free Speech. One
Speaker 1: such figure is to Fawn mal Aneux. Note for both
Speaker 1: objectivist stances as well as reactionary attitudes to women's rights,
Speaker 1: given his openly negative view of women as well as
Speaker 1: molanne support of racialist perspectives. He's a Nazi. Uh. When
Speaker 1: he does invite guests on the left now, it's usually
Speaker 1: only to complain about regressivism, which is his favorite word.
Speaker 1: That the left is regressive um, which he you know,
Speaker 1: fights against by partnering with people on the regressive right.
Speaker 1: I guess. So Ruben's pivot has made him into a
Speaker 1: wealthy man. His YouTube channel has well over two million subscribers. Again,
Speaker 1: he works for one of the foundations or whatnot that
Speaker 1: he gets funding for is funded itself by the Koke
Speaker 1: Brothers um and traditionally shady thing. Yeah, he gets coke
Speaker 1: money as if he that's a nineteen. He's hosted by
Speaker 1: Glenn Beck's The Blaze Network, and all of this has
Speaker 1: made him a very wealthy man. He bought a five
Speaker 1: million dollar house in the Hollywood Hills like a year
Speaker 1: or so very recently. Yeah, all of this has caused
Speaker 1: on a Casparian, his former colleague and friend at the
Speaker 1: Young Turks, to call him a lazy fraud who wanted
Speaker 1: quote to make a six figure salary to host a
Speaker 1: thirty minute a week show. Despite herself in her colleagues
Speaker 1: working twelve hour days for far less. She reiterated that
Speaker 1: he's sold out to corporate America by pointing out he's
Speaker 1: received money from the Koke Brothers and alleges that he
Speaker 1: has no true political identity. He's not an honest actor,
Speaker 1: nor an intellectual, just a fraud plane and simple. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty pretty accurate. And she was she she was
Speaker 1: his friend, um, which has to be a bumb It's
Speaker 1: like weird to work with someone on a very left
Speaker 1: wing platform and then only see the sea like swap
Speaker 1: over to the other side simply because it's more lucrative
Speaker 1: and I don't know, attention grabby, because then it just
Speaker 1: proves they were never about any type of cause. Like
Speaker 1: she's right, Like he doesn't have any political opinions. He's
Speaker 1: just he's just an attention horror. And that reminds me
Speaker 1: to throw in a plug for my new uh nightly
Speaker 1: show on Fox News, Robert Evans Left Bad, which I
Speaker 1: will be recording from the private island that I bought
Speaker 1: with my signing botus Robert Evans Left Bad. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: you could come up with wing Bad over and over
Speaker 1: again and playing clips of Antifa looking scary. Um, I've
Speaker 1: made seventy million dollars already. You don't think about it
Speaker 1: at all. Bad I hated so much. If you're going
Speaker 1: to be a right wing grifter, you can't think at
Speaker 1: all about what you're doing. Just I mean, I speak
Speaker 1: for the listeners. We expect better, Robert, You're not my
Speaker 1: listeners anymore. A bunch of frightened elderly people watching Fox
Speaker 1: News are going to be my listeners now, and all
Speaker 1: I have to tell them is that the left wing
Speaker 1: is bad. Why would it not be behind the left bastards?
Speaker 1: That's too complicated a title, way too complicated a type.
Speaker 1: Robert Evans left bad. I'm just gonna left. How about
Speaker 1: left equals bad? That it's getting it's getting worse, So
Speaker 1: let's move on. So there are thankfully some signs that
Speaker 1: Dave's ride to the top maybe nearing an end. Much
Speaker 1: of his fame and his fan base were developed due
Speaker 1: to his close relationship to members of the Intellectual Dark Web.
Speaker 1: He was often seen as the group's hype man, and
Speaker 1: in fact, he acted as the hype man for Jordan
Speaker 1: Peterson during The Professor's World tour. After the release of
Speaker 1: his book Twelve Rules for Life, like he would introduce
Speaker 1: him at shows and stuff and terrible terrible sets um.
Speaker 1: But in recent months, the intellectual dark Web has kind
Speaker 1: of faded into a subcultural memory. Don't talk so much
Speaker 1: about those guys these days. They've become less wrong. Why
Speaker 1: is that? Like? How have they made that possible? Like?
Speaker 1: How have they made them themselves? Truly fade away into
Speaker 1: the background while still existing. The intellectual Dark webs whole
Speaker 1: goal was to kind of provide do you know what
Speaker 1: parachuting is? Remind me, Well, there's a couple of ways
Speaker 1: to do it. But one of them is you put
Speaker 1: like a bunch of drugs that you're going to take
Speaker 1: and like a little a packet of something and swallow
Speaker 1: it so that it dissolves slowly in your in your stomach,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a way to avoid the nasty
Speaker 1: flavor and to get maybe a longer high. Let's parachuting.
Speaker 1: Do you repeat that? I'm going to take some notes. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so okay, like the intellectual Dark Web, we're kind of
Speaker 1: parachuting fascism into our culture by like wrapping it up
Speaker 1: in um uh, like just asking questions and the other
Speaker 1: kind of ships did it. But they did it. That
Speaker 1: they did it and now they're not is relevant anymore.
Speaker 1: Like that's Shapiro it uh in a way what they
Speaker 1: wanted they like, it's I think they just wanted to
Speaker 1: be famous and prominent intellectuals. Um. But the problem is
Speaker 1: that now it's moved beyond them, and the right is
Speaker 1: represented by a mix of the president and a bunch
Speaker 1: of gun toting um howling violent fascists and people like
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro. Um. Yeah, I don't have nearly as much
Speaker 1: cultural like cash as they used to have because things
Speaker 1: have moved far beyond them, um, And things have moved
Speaker 1: far beyond guys like like obviously, Ruben's biggest break was
Speaker 1: his his friendship and his relationship to Jordan Peterson, and
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson's brain melted this year. Um and his daughter
Speaker 1: first subjected him to experimental Russian drug addiction therapy and
Speaker 1: then gave him covid. Um, So he's not he's not
Speaker 1: really someone that Dave can cash in on anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You and all meat diet would do something to your body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was even know if that's what did it? Like,
Speaker 1: it's just in general, Yeah, Uh. Dave have been also
Speaker 1: had kind of failed during his maximum period of expansion
Speaker 1: to really have any actual Like A bunch of left
Speaker 1: wing folks kept asking him to debate like and he
Speaker 1: would never say yes, and he would actually regularly block
Speaker 1: them um when they argued with him, because he actually
Speaker 1: hates debate UM, so he doesn't. He's kind of locked
Speaker 1: himself into this position where the acceptable ideological spectrum of
Speaker 1: discussion in his show gets narrower and narrower every day. Um,
Speaker 1: and he can't really bring in new blood and the
Speaker 1: thing that he the what was once a fertile field
Speaker 1: for a guy like him, which is kind of like,
Speaker 1: I hate the left now. I'm not a right winger.
Speaker 1: I'm a classical liberal. Like, listen to me. As things
Speaker 1: have gotten more polarized, nobody gives a shit about that anymore. Um,
Speaker 1: or at least people give less shits about it than
Speaker 1: they used to. Uh. And I actually found a write
Speaker 1: up in medium from one of his former fans, um
Speaker 1: who is still really a big fan of guys like
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris and Dr Jordan B. Peterson um,
Speaker 1: but who has gotten bored with Dave Rubin lately and
Speaker 1: I want to end this chunk of the episode with
Speaker 1: a quote on from that. I say this as someone
Speaker 1: who genuinely admires people like Sam Harris and even what
Speaker 1: conservatives like Ben Shapiro have to say in two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: the Reuben Report is only concerned with the same handful
Speaker 1: of repetitive topics. Criticism of social justice warriors, political correctness,
Speaker 1: and student coddling on university campuses is all well and good,
Speaker 1: but it has reached the point of at nauseum with
Speaker 1: Dave Reuben. I would further argue that outside of niche
Speaker 1: internet political circles, the vast majority of people in daily
Speaker 1: life are hardly concerned with these subjects to begin with.
Speaker 1: After the eighth or ninth Softball Question interview with the
Speaker 1: right leaning guest on dunking on blue haired gender studies,
Speaker 1: majors working at Starbucks, and other blase conservative talking points,
Speaker 1: I eventually decided that listening to the Reuben Report every
Speaker 1: week was hardly the best use of my time. And
Speaker 1: this dude who was a fan of his, got blocked
Speaker 1: by Dave for like arguing very politely with him on
Speaker 1: Twitter because again Dave's little fragile fragile little baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: both fragile fragile man ego. So that's a little overview
Speaker 1: of day Rube Drew. Yeah, but time to make fun
Speaker 1: of him now it is it's time to it's time
Speaker 1: to look into his terrible book. Um, don't burn this book,
Speaker 1: I think the first psychology because now all I want
Speaker 1: to do is burn his book. Oh see, I don't
Speaker 1: care about his book that much too, but I also
Speaker 1: just like to burn things. Maybe I should preface that.
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, I mean I do enjoy a good fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the book is like the cover is don't burn
Speaker 1: this book in big letters sub heading thinking for Yourself
Speaker 1: in an Age of unreasoned And there's a big match
Speaker 1: on the book. Um, and we're going to do the
Speaker 1: thing we always do where we we buy the book
Speaker 1: and then refunded as soon as we finish. Here. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised his face is it on the cover? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so am I. It has like a jacket quote from
Speaker 1: Dr Jordan B. Peterson, which I guess must be one
Speaker 1: of the last things Dr Jordan B. Peterson did before
Speaker 1: his his brain melted down. Um yeah whatever, Um yeah,
Speaker 1: so his there's a fun quote in here. From his
Speaker 1: publisher writes that in a time of madness, the book
Speaker 1: will give you the tools you need to think for yourself,
Speaker 1: which is very funny for for Dave Reuben to say
Speaker 1: considering to think for yourself. He's never thought. He just
Speaker 1: lets other people spew their thought vomit out on his show,
Speaker 1: and then he nods unless they're on the left, in
Speaker 1: which based disagrees shallowy yeah yeah. And a representative passage
Speaker 1: from the book before we get into it reads, I
Speaker 1: want you to walk into a bar and order a
Speaker 1: full bodied opinion. I want you to get absolutely wasted
Speaker 1: on facts until three am, and then when you're just
Speaker 1: about ready to pass out, I want you to get
Speaker 1: another glass of reality and chug it. See how funny
Speaker 1: that is the comedy he's like reading drunk on knowledge?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it's not even like the funny version
Speaker 1: of that, Like you could do a funny version of
Speaker 1: that where it's like, I want people to be well informed.
Speaker 1: I want people to get wasted on the facts. I
Speaker 1: want you to be shipping on the floor of your
Speaker 1: aunt's apartment with knowledge. Yeah exactly. But David, I'm sure
Speaker 1: when he read that back he was like, fuck, yeah, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm comedy, Yeah, genius. Yeah, it's I don't know, like
Speaker 1: it's he's bad. Anyway, let's look into his book, shall we.
Speaker 1: I actually want to start by reading so I told
Speaker 1: you he's given a couple of different versions of the
Speaker 1: story of like why he finally left the left, and
Speaker 1: you know it started with his like the the what
Speaker 1: seems to be the fact is that he had a
Speaker 1: bunch of disagreement with jenk about his support of Israel
Speaker 1: over Palestine, and like that led to other disagreements and
Speaker 1: he was just kind of a pain in the s
Speaker 1: to work with. Um. But in his book, Reuben gives
Speaker 1: a very different story and he claims that, like his
Speaker 1: his break with the left started in two thousand sixteen,
Speaker 1: which we know it happened much earlier, but this makes
Speaker 1: it is kind of a better story. And it was
Speaker 1: during an interview with Larry Elder, who was a conservative
Speaker 1: talk radio a black conservative talk radio guy, UM and
Speaker 1: a very experienced talk radio guy. UM and Ruben used
Speaker 1: the phrase systemic racism. UM and Elder challenge him and
Speaker 1: rallied off. You know, he did the thing that like
Speaker 1: you can do if two people who aren't good at
Speaker 1: debating about something like this and like give off anecdotes
Speaker 1: about individual incidents of police brutality that were misreported, or
Speaker 1: talk about black on black crime, um, which you know,
Speaker 1: ignores the fact that white people commit the most crimes
Speaker 1: against white people, and ignores the fact that, like, no,
Speaker 1: there's actually quite a bit of like, well, yes, there
Speaker 1: are misreported cases of police brutality. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: documentation about like because Ruben doesn't do research because he's
Speaker 1: dumb um, or at least because he's a bad researcher,
Speaker 1: or at least because he's dishonest, he had nothing, like
Speaker 1: he had nothing to say against this or anything like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so he claims that like this interview with Elder
Speaker 1: is what changed his his his opinion, which is like why, Um,
Speaker 1: it's a smart move for him to try to pull
Speaker 1: I guess he did it a little bit late, but
Speaker 1: like he has to kind of rewrite that history because
Speaker 1: sixteen is such an inflection point politically. Um. And because
Speaker 1: this way he can u he can claim that like, no,
Speaker 1: it was like a conservative black man and who like
Speaker 1: pulled me, a gay man away from the left. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to clarify something that I
Speaker 1: said up top about white guilt and queerness, because this
Speaker 1: is perfectly proves my point is that when some um
Speaker 1: people that are already marginalized, like if you're a white
Speaker 1: gay man, like you could argue that you're already marginalized,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to examine how your whiteness is
Speaker 1: still problematic. And so I'm sure I'm sure there's an
Speaker 1: element of that as far as um kind of using
Speaker 1: a black man to like prove his point, like like
Speaker 1: like like like help his story along because um, like
Speaker 1: in his mind like I'm more, I'm also marginalized, like
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not like other white people, like I understand. Um.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that makes sense. That's that
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, it does. And he definitely does this
Speaker 1: thing where like he one of the things he rails
Speaker 1: against the most in his show as identity politics, but
Speaker 1: he also focused on like, well, I'm a game, and
Speaker 1: and I think that's what he uses it to only
Speaker 1: prove backwards points when really he's not. He's using it
Speaker 1: as a crutch to not examine how his whiteness is
Speaker 1: the main like a huge point of his privilege and
Speaker 1: especially because he is able to uh pass as like
Speaker 1: presuming like he's he's not someone that would get ostracized
Speaker 1: in society by looking at him kind of thing. Um,
Speaker 1: And so I think there's also privilege in passing uh.
Speaker 1: And I think he really uses a sexuality as as
Speaker 1: the worst kind of weapon against actual marginalized people, which
Speaker 1: is so upsetting, and it's so upsetting for the gay
Speaker 1: community and like in general, because Ah, I don't know
Speaker 1: just that that kind of um, that that brand of
Speaker 1: of whiteness is really upsetting to me. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: very frustrating, all of it's very frustrating. And the way
Speaker 1: in which he kind of cashes in on look a
Speaker 1: black man agrees with me about the left, like is
Speaker 1: very gross and he his book is very silly. Um.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to read from kind of the end
Speaker 1: of the introduction here where he lists first off, the
Speaker 1: greatest contemporary thinkers in the world, which includes Jordan Peterson,
Speaker 1: Sam Harris, Bim Shapiro, Thomas Soul, Dennis Praeger, Brett Weinstein
Speaker 1: Ion here see Ali Christina hoff Summers, who did a
Speaker 1: documentary about the men's rights movement, and of course Peter
Speaker 1: Teal famed, famed greatest intellectual in the world, Peter Teal.
Speaker 1: Yoh yeah, they all. I mean, I guess we know
Speaker 1: where some of that money is coming from. Huh. Parody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is like a parody. Everyone who tries to be
Speaker 1: an intellectual on the far right is like a parody
Speaker 1: of a smart guy. Um. Yeah, they too came out
Speaker 1: of the political closet and helps me to see that
Speaker 1: tribalism is dead and that diversity of thought is far
Speaker 1: more important than diversity for its own sake. We need
Speaker 1: diversity of thought. We don't. It doesn't matter like if
Speaker 1: we if everybody is white, as long as they think
Speaker 1: different things, we can have a like god damn it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one step away from like I don't see color.
Speaker 1: But there's a good different. There's like a different, that's
Speaker 1: what he's saying. Yeah. Yeah. He brands his book is
Speaker 1: a tin step guide for political authenticity and promises in
Speaker 1: it you'll learn how to embrace your wake up call.
Speaker 1: It's the catalyst that brought you to do these pages
Speaker 1: in the first place. I think freely or Die. You'll
Speaker 1: get a much needed crash course and classically liberal principles
Speaker 1: that stand the test of time, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: and then freely die. Stop worrying about whether you're a Nazi.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, you're joking. That is not real. No,
Speaker 1: that is a that isn't that that isn't truly if
Speaker 1: I was writing a parody book about some right wing
Speaker 1: nut that wrote a book about Oh my god, stop
Speaker 1: worrying if you're no. Yeah, yeah, stop worrying about being
Speaker 1: a Nazi, because that's that's clearly like, if you keep
Speaker 1: getting called a Nazi, don't analyze whether or not you're
Speaker 1: doing Nazi ship, just except that, like that, it means
Speaker 1: nothing to be called a Nazi. That like you basically
Speaker 1: shouldn't even consider for a second. Yeah. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: don't worry if someone calls you a racist. You're fine, Like,
Speaker 1: don't worry. Fine, yeah, declared you fine. Yeah, check your facts,
Speaker 1: not your privilege. Don't tell me this book did well.
Speaker 1: If this book did well, I'm I don't think truly
Speaker 1: signing off. Yeah, I think I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: it did. It did Okay, I don't think it was
Speaker 1: like a giant national bestseller. Um let's see here. Um,
Speaker 1: you can probably pull that up pretty fast. Oh it's new.
Speaker 1: It's like it was like universally politically panned. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize it. Yeah, its a woke machine from outrage.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't read the Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: it's it's incredibly frustrating. Um yeah, I mean it's not great.
Speaker 1: It came out not that long ago. It's like number
Speaker 1: almost five thousand in Barnes and Noble. It's like thirty
Speaker 1: or fifty and Amazon. Like if I don't think it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you have your friends all like it. It's not.
Speaker 1: It has not been, you know, the giant success that
Speaker 1: I think he hoped it would. They were hoping it
Speaker 1: would like like, clearly this book is angled at like
Speaker 1: converting a bunch of people to the right. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it did that. Um yeah, stop hating
Speaker 1: America the Western straight white men. One of the motivations
Speaker 1: you'll have to stand up against the mob is that
Speaker 1: you'll love your country, the straight white men within it,
Speaker 1: and Western values in general. In fact, you'll know that
Speaker 1: America isn't perfect, nor can any nation ever be, but
Speaker 1: that she has granted more people more freedoms than any
Speaker 1: other country in the history of the world. You'll also
Speaker 1: know that straight white men aren't evil, it's actually racist
Speaker 1: and sexist to believe so. And that Western values are
Speaker 1: rooted in individual rights at the cornerstone of free societies.
Speaker 1: And again this is like he talks about how you
Speaker 1: have to have your facts straight and going to debate
Speaker 1: with facts, but of course he doesn't like do that
Speaker 1: with this where number one, uh, nobody in any sort
Speaker 1: of prominent position anywhere on the left is saying that
Speaker 1: straight white men are evil. They're saying that, like the
Speaker 1: concept of whiteness is fundamentally toxic and we need to
Speaker 1: reorient our societies away from it. And also the idea
Speaker 1: that Western values rooted in individual rights are the cornerstoins
Speaker 1: of free society ignores a couple of things. You wanted
Speaker 1: to list a couple of those things in the in
Speaker 1: the seventeen seventies, when the British conquered India and then
Speaker 1: starved between thirty and forty million people to death in
Speaker 1: order to maximize the profits of the British East India Company,
Speaker 1: that was not rooted in individual rights. Was it not
Speaker 1: super into rooted in individual rights when like the European
Speaker 1: powers took over basically the entire Middle East and partitioned
Speaker 1: it up without asking any of the people who lived
Speaker 1: in the former Ottoman Empire where they wanted to live
Speaker 1: in the psychs Pico Agreement, and then forced a lot
Speaker 1: of them under dictators in order to maximize oil revenue.
Speaker 1: That was not, like, you know, super respectful of individual rights.
Speaker 1: When the United States had Salvadora Inde assassinated or a
Speaker 1: lot of other leaders assassinated in Central America and then
Speaker 1: back death squads through the schools of the America, killing
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people in leading to mass rape campaigns,
Speaker 1: including the burning alive of numerous nuns, that was also
Speaker 1: not rooted in respect for individual rights. Um, you might say,
Speaker 1: Western values have never been rooted in individual rights and
Speaker 1: have instead been rooted in plundering the rest of the
Speaker 1: world for the wealth of the West, who get to
Speaker 1: have individual rights as long as they don't criticize the
Speaker 1: plundering of the world anyway, fun, David Reuben, I brought
Speaker 1: some facts, Dave, Um, we can talk about those if
Speaker 1: you want. I'll go on your show. He'll never He'll
Speaker 1: never agree to any type of back and forth. He
Speaker 1: would just expose him right, Like, okay, but I will
Speaker 1: say I, Um, I'm skimming through these reviews on Amazon
Speaker 1: want to throw up or they're they're overwhelmingly positive. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he must have bought some of them. I refused
Speaker 1: to believe this. Many idiots exists in the world. But
Speaker 1: there's this really long one um that's near that is
Speaker 1: basically a five star review. This book can change your life.
Speaker 1: It talks about how he used to be. He used
Speaker 1: to call himself a feminist, and how feminist in his
Speaker 1: own life canceled him because of arguments about the crime
Speaker 1: of rape. And oh boy, I wonder what those arcuments were. God, well,
Speaker 1: I can continue if you're curious. Yeah, please, I want
Speaker 1: to know what this guy. I want to I want
Speaker 1: to know this Dave Reuben fans hot take on rapes. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: this is like the third or four of the fourth
Speaker 1: paragraph down of this essay review. It says, Um, the
Speaker 1: first line of it is I had never heard of
Speaker 1: David Reuben when I was fan of the Young Turks,
Speaker 1: and while I still called past tense, I called myself
Speaker 1: a feminist. Um, feminists in my own life canceled me
Speaker 1: for numerous reasons or attempted to in parentheses. One of
Speaker 1: the arguments was over the crime of rape, as in
Speaker 1: rape is a heinous crime that has best practices for
Speaker 1: prevention and resistance, just like preventing and resisting the crime
Speaker 1: of murder, where men number upon its primary victims. The
Speaker 1: audacity that one would talk about preventing rape as if
Speaker 1: the solution is not to simply tell men to rape less.
Speaker 1: We have laws against such things, and these simple schoolmarm admonition,
Speaker 1: surprise don't work on rapists. This got me canceled by
Speaker 1: more people that I can count, including one person. Um well,
Speaker 1: I had the displeasure of seeing introduced Sam Harris and
Speaker 1: Richard Dawkins for one of their gatherings. By this time,
Speaker 1: I had taken a major dose of the red I
Speaker 1: had a major dose of the red pill, and I
Speaker 1: was taking some type of comfort. Was I crazy? Could
Speaker 1: I be literally Hitler? Because I dare think outside literally
Speaker 1: it's like this bockstep enter David Reuben and how this
Speaker 1: man changed his life. Um, oh my god. People for
Speaker 1: the most part aren't called I. I don't believe people
Speaker 1: have been calling him literally Hitler for his controversial stance
Speaker 1: on rape. I think they've been like dude, what the funk?
Speaker 1: Like why are you so adamant about arguing with everybody
Speaker 1: about rape? And like like what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? So apparently he dedicated the book to
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck. Is that Dave Ruben did. That's what Chad
Speaker 1: says that Amazon, it's that real. That seems like it's
Speaker 1: got to be a joke. Um, I have to look
Speaker 1: to double check this big Oh it is it is
Speaker 1: for Ben Affleck. I'm sure that's some sort of joke
Speaker 1: that we don't get because we don't watch this terrible show. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's horrible. Well, no, it's not fun
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck. Like I don't think Ben Affleck believes anything
Speaker 1: other than having a gigantic, hideous tattoo of a phoenix
Speaker 1: on his back, which, in fairness to Ben Affleck, is
Speaker 1: more of a commitment than Dave of Reuben has ever
Speaker 1: made to anything controversial. Like, like, you gotta give Affleck credit.
Speaker 1: It is not a cowardly decision to have the tattoo
Speaker 1: that he has. That is a commitment that that is
Speaker 1: a type of person you are going to be. Anything else,
Speaker 1: let alone the tattoo itself. I will say, I'm not
Speaker 1: an Affleck fan. The only thing that Affleck that I
Speaker 1: respect Affleck four is I think it was like a
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen or something. But I dislike Bill Maher a lot.
Speaker 1: I know he's a piece of ship. I hate Bill
Speaker 1: mar Yeah, but when he was on his show and
Speaker 1: Bill Maher was being his regular slamophobic self, Bill or
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck uh fought back against him on his show
Speaker 1: and he was like one of the only commentators on
Speaker 1: the stage that was like really upset or something and
Speaker 1: like fought back pretty hard. So I really respected him
Speaker 1: for that reason. But regular person I Yeah, I will
Speaker 1: say of Ben Affleck, and this is actually my favorite
Speaker 1: thing about Ben Affleck is that he looks like a
Speaker 1: man who committed that, despite his fame and despite being
Speaker 1: classically handsome most of the time, uh, and despite like
Speaker 1: the legions of adoring fans he's had throughout aspects of
Speaker 1: his career, he committed to never not being the kind
Speaker 1: of guy who would throw empty cans of steel reserve
Speaker 1: at his television at four in the morning. And that's
Speaker 1: what his back tattoo represents. Like riding out, rising out
Speaker 1: of the ashes, yeah, and then hooking a steel reserve
Speaker 1: can at the television because he's angry at it. That's
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck. And I will say I don't find him
Speaker 1: attractive in the slightest but um no, But clearly he
Speaker 1: must have to someone, right, he had that whole career
Speaker 1: who made him batman whatever apparently he is. He he
Speaker 1: takes some boxes for some people, but people want to
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck and that's like, is this classic example of
Speaker 1: white men just needing to be above a certain height
Speaker 1: to be considered attractive? In my opinion, this was just
Speaker 1: turned into a Ben Affleck stand podcast? Stand no Stand.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't think of a single movie he's
Speaker 1: been in where I actually cared about his his his
Speaker 1: his appearance at all. But I love the pictures of
Speaker 1: him like shirtless and out of shape, drunk and staring
Speaker 1: out at things. And I will say, yeah, theres something
Speaker 1: tragically beautiful about that. Yeah, I I admire that greatly
Speaker 1: because I have that energy myself a lot of the time,
Speaker 1: just like funk this ship. I'm going to drink a
Speaker 1: forty and someone else's trash can. Yeah, it's amazing. We're
Speaker 1: talking about Ben Affleck right now because Dave Rubens sucks
Speaker 1: so bad that we're all thinking like a Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1: There's a person that I didn't keep to him, so
Speaker 1: it is that is kind of interesting. You know what's
Speaker 1: better than Dave Reuben and a more honest intellectual thinker
Speaker 1: than Dave Reuben exactly Ray Theon. Well, Dave Reuben vacillates
Speaker 1: and you know, refuses to commit and and just lets
Speaker 1: fascists talk over him and platforms them. Ray Theon doesn't
Speaker 1: platform anybody. They just build missile guidance systems that kill
Speaker 1: people in Yemen. And you know what I don't have.
Speaker 1: Let's roll the rest of the ads. Okay, we're back,
Speaker 1: and speaking of backs, I spent the ad break looking
Speaker 1: at that picture of Ben afflecks unbelievable back tattoo, which
Speaker 1: I I at no point in my life will I
Speaker 1: ever have had enough of realizing that in everything Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck has ever done, that's been underneath his shirt all
Speaker 1: the time. You han't escape it. You can't escape it.
Speaker 1: All right, let's leave read what Dave Reuben has to
Speaker 1: say about drugs. I've done a pretty decent amount of
Speaker 1: drugs in my day, which is a sign that someone's
Speaker 1: either done no drugs or only done cocaine. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I've smoked pots, snorted coke, eating magic mushrooms, I've danced
Speaker 1: poorly on ecstasy, and probably a couple of other things.
Speaker 1: These days, I'm a red wine and Indica guy, But
Speaker 1: I don't deny my past. Actually I have some great
Speaker 1: memories of it. Yeaha YadA, YadA, YadA. Okay, calls magic
Speaker 1: mushrooms magic mushrooms, has never done shrooms. Um yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: So he's talking, he's doing like a standard libertarian thing
Speaker 1: about how like it's we should just legalize this stuff,
Speaker 1: which is fine, Like it's the standard libertarian thing you've
Speaker 1: got to go through. Um YadA, YadA, YadA, um okay.
Speaker 1: The catches that this libertarian inspired view falls apart when
Speaker 1: it starts to include Schedule one substances such as crack
Speaker 1: and heroin, which are obviously very different. Beast crack is
Speaker 1: just cocaine, like David, crack is just a form of cocaine.
Speaker 1: You're just criminalized the version that you think black people
Speaker 1: tend to do, like he he has no idea about
Speaker 1: the history of crack and why it's called crack and
Speaker 1: willing Yeah, like I don't know, man, Like what a
Speaker 1: but no, these are the drugs that need that need
Speaker 1: the lightest possible touch of government to to to criminalize them,
Speaker 1: because freedom can't be a free for all, he writes, um,
Speaker 1: and we don't want a breaking bad episode happening next
Speaker 1: or well, if methamphetamine, we're saying, manufactured by the government
Speaker 1: in the way that certain schedule women arcotics are in
Speaker 1: parts of Europe, and we're distributed to people who need
Speaker 1: like take it. Uh and, and you know that we're
Speaker 1: like a thing that they could do and get a
Speaker 1: get a consistent product and not have to deal with
Speaker 1: drug dealers. Then maybe there wouldn't be as much street crime.
Speaker 1: And maybe because they're going into like government facilities where
Speaker 1: there's nurses and stuff, people could actually get healthcare. Uh
Speaker 1: and and hopefully eventually get off of meth which is
Speaker 1: how they've treated heroin addiction very successfully in parts of Scandinavia.
Speaker 1: But like Dave again, the guy who talks about coming
Speaker 1: armed with facts doesn't he just talks about how okay,
Speaker 1: So he talks about how bad and scary San Francisco
Speaker 1: is because of meth and opiates. Um, And that's his
Speaker 1: that's why the government needs to criminalize those drugs is
Speaker 1: because San Francisco is scary, and which is like I
Speaker 1: grew up in Dallas, dude, Like there's parts of Dallas
Speaker 1: like like San Francisco has got its sketchy like neighborhoods
Speaker 1: largely because there's just a lot of houseless people who
Speaker 1: the local city government and like the Nimbi type rich
Speaker 1: folks don't want to help. But like fucking hang out
Speaker 1: in Dallas or fucking Atlanta or like a whole every city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anyone that calls San Francisco scary has lived a very
Speaker 1: privileged life, to say the least. It's it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a mix of like what they consider scary. Like right,
Speaker 1: it's in in a lot of the Deep South, you
Speaker 1: deal with more meth shacks. In San Francisco, you're more
Speaker 1: likely to find needles on the ground. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all of them are symptoms of the fact that our
Speaker 1: society has serious problems. It's not the fault of the
Speaker 1: actual individual substances, because we know that that's not how
Speaker 1: society has failed so many people. And yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: just not the fault of those people as the fault
Speaker 1: of a society at large. But then making you sound
Speaker 1: like they're the reasons why a city is scary that
Speaker 1: is so problematic. Yeah, it's the whole. It's the whole.
Speaker 1: Like the Dave's whole argument basically is that, like I
Speaker 1: think the drugs that white people do should be legal, um,
Speaker 1: of course, or the at least that I see white
Speaker 1: people doing should be legal. Um. So yeah, this whole
Speaker 1: section is basically him explaining why, like if you support
Speaker 1: things like gay marriage, uh and and uh that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Uh, you're you're you're a classical liberal like him. Um,
Speaker 1: although you should, you should still support people who are
Speaker 1: caught with heroin or meth being put in prison rather
Speaker 1: than receiving treatment because San Francisco scary. Um. Dave Reuben
Speaker 1: is a is a consistent guy. Oh god, Okay, here's
Speaker 1: his views on abortion. Um. Before this process started, I'd
Speaker 1: always been solidly pro choice, though in the last two
Speaker 1: years or so, I've begun to describe myself as begrudgingly
Speaker 1: pro choice. After you're learning more about the biology of
Speaker 1: gestation in the process of abortion and seeing the left
Speaker 1: fetishize it in a way I'm not comfortable with their
Speaker 1: countless videos on YouTube of women celebrating their termination, while
Speaker 1: organizations says to shout your abortion encourages Twitter users to
Speaker 1: do the same with carefree abandoned. Okay, I sorry, I
Speaker 1: saw vomiting when you said the word gestation. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's him. It's him. Number one, Like willfully misunderstanding,
Speaker 1: like the difference between people being like, hey, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be ashamed if you've had an abortion. People need to
Speaker 1: be more open about that fact so that like they
Speaker 1: there's less storm around it. Like you're not saying like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the fact that I got an abortion. It's fun.
Speaker 1: Let's go get another. Nobody like enjoys that process. But
Speaker 1: there's no shame in it. That's the whole point of
Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah. Yeah, it's just the things that you're normalizing,
Speaker 1: Like talking about it and being open about it makes
Speaker 1: it less of a taboo and makes it less less
Speaker 1: of something that you feel shame around. It's not about
Speaker 1: being crowd that you terminate a pregnancy. It's about normalizing
Speaker 1: even seeking it out, and so it's not the shameful
Speaker 1: taboo topic. It's this thing that conservatives keep doing with
Speaker 1: like should they do with sex education too, where like
Speaker 1: if you're if you're in favor of like kids getting
Speaker 1: better sex education, then you're in favor of sexualizing children's like, like,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't even be telling kids that like sex is
Speaker 1: good or bad. You should just be explaining very simply
Speaker 1: what it is, how it works, how their bodies work,
Speaker 1: Like it should be. It should be like learning about
Speaker 1: the fucking Falkland's invasion or whatever. It should be just
Speaker 1: another fucking class like, this is your body, this is
Speaker 1: how it works, this is how this all like. You're
Speaker 1: not nobody's sexualizing kids should just it's sexy. It should
Speaker 1: not be this thing we only talked about behind closed doors,
Speaker 1: like normalizing talking about it starts. It should start very young,
Speaker 1: and it should start just as an educational thing. And
Speaker 1: conservatives make everything about be like they just twisted They
Speaker 1: twist it so strangely. Yeah, all right, this is a
Speaker 1: terrible book. Let's move down to the fucking Nazi. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to see some of these guys. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: You're not a Nazi. Don't worry, you're not a Nazi.
Speaker 1: That's what someone says, he is a Nazi. Congratulations, I
Speaker 1: have fantastic news. You are not a Nazi. You may
Speaker 1: be wondering how I know this, considering we've probably never met.
Speaker 1: But trust me, I know what's vitally going forward is
Speaker 1: that you know this too. You don't know David. He's
Speaker 1: like making a sound like if you're reading his book,
Speaker 1: you're a good person. You're smart enough to not be
Speaker 1: you bought this book by me? Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: So he goes into how like Nazis were actually socialists. Uh,
Speaker 1: people have totally rewritten history on the matter. No they haven't.
Speaker 1: They just understand that it was like a branding sort
Speaker 1: of thing, and that there was a left wing of
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party that all got murdered in the Night
Speaker 1: of Long Knives. That's what that was, David, was the
Speaker 1: left wing of the Nazi Party all getting killed. But again,
Speaker 1: none of these people have ever oh yeah, he twitters.
Speaker 1: Or he talked about how Hitler was on the left
Speaker 1: because he was an art loving vegetarian um and that
Speaker 1: he wooed voters away from Germany Social Democrat and comings
Speaker 1: most of hit like the core Hitler support came from
Speaker 1: the German conservatives. I'm pretty sure, like the monarchists in
Speaker 1: the right wing. But okay, like again just completely uh completely,
Speaker 1: and like, here's okay, so this is funny. So he
Speaker 1: talks about how Mussolini also has to have clearly come
Speaker 1: up from been a left wing guy because he started
Speaker 1: out as a left wing journalist, which is true. Mussolini
Speaker 1: was initially a socialist and a left winger like Dave Ruben.
Speaker 1: Then he became a fascist like Dave Ruben. You know,
Speaker 1: glossed over that fact. Oh cool. He just talks about
Speaker 1: how real Nazis hated gays and Jews to the point
Speaker 1: of mass extermination of them, and which is true. Nazis
Speaker 1: killed a lot of gay people. Let's talk about Ernst Rome.
Speaker 1: You've heard of the brown Shirts, right, yes, yeah, they
Speaker 1: were Hitler's street by his proud boys. These are guys
Speaker 1: who go out in the street like murder left wing activists.
Speaker 1: They were his like his enforcers, the like violent arm
Speaker 1: of the Nazi electoral movement. The head of the s A,
Speaker 1: the head of the brown Shirts, was in a flamboyantly
Speaker 1: and fairly openly gay man named Ernst Rome, who was
Speaker 1: caught when Hitler decided he had to kill him because
Speaker 1: the Nazis had gained power and they wanted to purge
Speaker 1: the left in Rome was an embarrassment because he was gay. Uh.
Speaker 1: They found him at like a giant orgy at a
Speaker 1: castle with a bunch of his like his boy toys
Speaker 1: and stuff, and he like he like the Nazis had
Speaker 1: a ton of Game members early on. They killed them
Speaker 1: all after they got into power, which might be a
Speaker 1: warning to fucking Dave Reuben, like when you truck with
Speaker 1: these people who hate you, they will use you while
Speaker 1: you're valuable for them to get in power, and then
Speaker 1: they'll put you in a camp or just have you
Speaker 1: shoot yourself in a prison. David actually read some history.
Speaker 1: He's like mapping out his own demise exactly. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: people are very frustrating. And I that he that he
Speaker 1: said that Hitler was on the left because he was
Speaker 1: art loving vegetarian. He just basically called him a hipster, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's like, I don't know, it's just like the
Speaker 1: weirdest thing to be, like to prove a point. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: He does point out that someone on Twitter said Dave
Speaker 1: Reuben isn't a Nazi, it's just that he'd sit across
Speaker 1: from Himler and say interesting a lot, which is actually
Speaker 1: a pretty accurate. Yeah, it's good stuff. I can't believe
Speaker 1: he's so he's that idiotic to not realize that he
Speaker 1: people will he can only go so far with the stick.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, yeah, and it it does seem
Speaker 1: like he's kind of, um, he's running to the end
Speaker 1: of his grif. Now he did get very rich. We'll
Speaker 1: see how much long that last and how long he's
Speaker 1: able to like carry some of this ship for um.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's going to have super long
Speaker 1: career after this, because, like especially if hopefully things go
Speaker 1: well in the election. I mean, we'll fucking see. Um.
Speaker 1: But even now, like with Trump and power, like as
Speaker 1: always happens to these guys, he has rapidly lost influence
Speaker 1: because Dave Rubin was only ever valuable as a vehicle
Speaker 1: to like push these far right thinkers, just like all
Speaker 1: the other intellectual dark web guys. And now that it's
Speaker 1: become mainstream to just openly call for the executions of
Speaker 1: your political opponents in the installation of a dictatorship among
Speaker 1: the right, there's not a whole lot of need for
Speaker 1: classical liberals, you know, I don't know, we'll see, maybe
Speaker 1: we're wrong. I hope not. I hope you're right. I
Speaker 1: mean I trust, I trust your instincts Um. I hope
Speaker 1: this is the last time I'll ever have to talk
Speaker 1: about him. Um. But yeah, garbage man. Yeah, he's trash
Speaker 1: and I think we're done talking about him, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to Await. Sorry, I insulted actual people that
Speaker 1: work as garbageman. That's all what I meant. Oh no,
Speaker 1: no garbageman or awesome. Yeah, no, one of the most
Speaker 1: important jobs in the entire civilization. Yeah, he is a
Speaker 1: man made of garbage. Yes, that's what I meant. He's
Speaker 1: like a pile of trash. He's not a garbage man.
Speaker 1: A garbage man would remove him to a dump and
Speaker 1: thus carry out an incredibly necessary role in modern civilization,
Speaker 1: an active service to help us all. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: garbagemen and women and non binary garbage people of all sorts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to clarify and before someone jumped on
Speaker 1: me saying that term. Yeah, nothing but love for garbage
Speaker 1: people here, but not people made of garbage. We're gonna
Speaker 1: need to work on some of the language here, but
Speaker 1: that that can happen later. Sharine, you got any pluggables
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Speaker 1: a podcast called Ethinically Ambiguous, and I'm writing a second
Speaker 1: poetry book. My first one is out there somewhere. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I am trying to work on more films.
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Speaker 1: follow me along if you want. And if you don't
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was gonna have a joke, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a joke. I don't have
Speaker 1: a joke to in this on make your own fucking
Speaker 1: jokes people, What do you think I owe you a
Speaker 1: joke right now just because you listen to my episode.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm getting abusive now, and that's not Think
Speaker 1: back to the image, Robert, Think back to the beach.
Speaker 1: The tattoo. Yeah, fucking ben Affleck bent over belly spilling out,
Speaker 1: giant phoenix tattoo on his back and a fortius steel
Speaker 1: reserve in his hands. Just the saddest man who's ever lived. God,
Speaker 1: I love him, Robert, you kind of went Robert Evans
Speaker 1: Left Bad. There's that. Oh yeah, well yeah, and watch
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Speaker 1: don't need to talk about Okay, episodes done