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Speaker 1: I'm back. Come monshurin weird talking about David Rubin. Oh,

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Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, two old monsters grifting each other and

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Speaker 1: picking lemons all day, entertaining to think about it is okay,

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Speaker 1: So we're back to We're back to Dave Reuben de

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Speaker 1: Rube Drew Um. So yeah, I'm gonna quote here from

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Speaker 1: his rite up in Rational WEEKI about sort of how

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Speaker 1: all of his positions changed is in as it became

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Speaker 1: very profitable to be a right wing grifter. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Rubin reversed his earlier stance on self regulation in the economy,

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Speaker 1: saying on a two thousand eighteen episode of The Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan Show that he wanted major d regulation and greater

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Speaker 1: self regulation after saying it never works. In addition, he

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Speaker 1: showed an ever expanding devotion to bringing in controversial right

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Speaker 1: wing figures, including those with sympathies to causes of objectivist

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Speaker 1: style libertarianism and people with far right views on topics

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Speaker 1: on his show In the Name of Free Speech. One

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Speaker 1: such figure is to Fawn mal Aneux. Note for both

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Speaker 1: objectivist stances as well as reactionary attitudes to women's rights,

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Speaker 1: given his openly negative view of women as well as

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Speaker 1: molanne support of racialist perspectives. He's a Nazi. Uh. When

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Speaker 1: he does invite guests on the left now, it's usually

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Speaker 1: only to complain about regressivism, which is his favorite word.

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Speaker 1: That the left is regressive um, which he you know,

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Speaker 1: fights against by partnering with people on the regressive right.

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Speaker 1: I guess. So Ruben's pivot has made him into a

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Speaker 1: wealthy man. His YouTube channel has well over two million subscribers. Again,

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Speaker 1: he works for one of the foundations or whatnot that

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Speaker 1: he gets funding for is funded itself by the Koke

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Speaker 1: Brothers um and traditionally shady thing. Yeah, he gets coke

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Speaker 1: money as if he that's a nineteen. He's hosted by

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Speaker 1: Glenn Beck's The Blaze Network, and all of this has

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Speaker 1: made him a very wealthy man. He bought a five

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Speaker 1: million dollar house in the Hollywood Hills like a year

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Speaker 1: or so very recently. Yeah, all of this has caused

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Speaker 1: on a Casparian, his former colleague and friend at the

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Speaker 1: Young Turks, to call him a lazy fraud who wanted

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Speaker 1: quote to make a six figure salary to host a

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Speaker 1: thirty minute a week show. Despite herself in her colleagues

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Speaker 1: working twelve hour days for far less. She reiterated that

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Speaker 1: he's sold out to corporate America by pointing out he's

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Speaker 1: received money from the Koke Brothers and alleges that he

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Speaker 1: has no true political identity. He's not an honest actor,

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Speaker 1: nor an intellectual, just a fraud plane and simple. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty pretty accurate. And she was she she was

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Speaker 1: his friend, um, which has to be a bumb It's

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Speaker 1: like weird to work with someone on a very left

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Speaker 1: wing platform and then only see the sea like swap

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Speaker 1: over to the other side simply because it's more lucrative

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, attention grabby, because then it just

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Speaker 1: proves they were never about any type of cause. Like

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Speaker 1: she's right, Like he doesn't have any political opinions. He's

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Speaker 1: just he's just an attention horror. And that reminds me

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Speaker 1: to throw in a plug for my new uh nightly

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Speaker 1: show on Fox News, Robert Evans Left Bad, which I

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Speaker 1: will be recording from the private island that I bought

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Speaker 1: with my signing botus Robert Evans Left Bad. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: you could come up with wing Bad over and over

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00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: again and playing clips of Antifa looking scary. Um, I've

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Speaker 1: made seventy million dollars already. You don't think about it

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Speaker 1: at all. Bad I hated so much. If you're going

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Speaker 1: to be a right wing grifter, you can't think at

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Speaker 1: all about what you're doing. Just I mean, I speak

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Speaker 1: for the listeners. We expect better, Robert, You're not my

485
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Speaker 1: listeners anymore. A bunch of frightened elderly people watching Fox

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Speaker 1: News are going to be my listeners now, and all

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Speaker 1: I have to tell them is that the left wing

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Speaker 1: is bad. Why would it not be behind the left bastards?

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Speaker 1: That's too complicated a title, way too complicated a type.

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Speaker 1: Robert Evans left bad. I'm just gonna left. How about

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Speaker 1: left equals bad? That it's getting it's getting worse, So

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Speaker 1: let's move on. So there are thankfully some signs that

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Speaker 1: Dave's ride to the top maybe nearing an end. Much

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Speaker 1: of his fame and his fan base were developed due

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Speaker 1: to his close relationship to members of the Intellectual Dark Web.

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Speaker 1: He was often seen as the group's hype man, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, he acted as the hype man for Jordan

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Speaker 1: Peterson during The Professor's World tour. After the release of

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Speaker 1: his book Twelve Rules for Life, like he would introduce

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Speaker 1: him at shows and stuff and terrible terrible sets um.

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Speaker 1: But in recent months, the intellectual dark Web has kind

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Speaker 1: of faded into a subcultural memory. Don't talk so much

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00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: about those guys these days. They've become less wrong. Why

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Speaker 1: is that? Like? How have they made that possible? Like?

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Speaker 1: How have they made them themselves? Truly fade away into

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Speaker 1: the background while still existing. The intellectual Dark webs whole

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Speaker 1: goal was to kind of provide do you know what

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Speaker 1: parachuting is? Remind me, Well, there's a couple of ways

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Speaker 1: to do it. But one of them is you put

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Speaker 1: like a bunch of drugs that you're going to take

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Speaker 1: and like a little a packet of something and swallow

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Speaker 1: it so that it dissolves slowly in your in your stomach,

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of a way to avoid the nasty

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Speaker 1: flavor and to get maybe a longer high. Let's parachuting.

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Speaker 1: Do you repeat that? I'm going to take some notes. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so okay, like the intellectual Dark Web, we're kind of

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Speaker 1: parachuting fascism into our culture by like wrapping it up

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Speaker 1: in um uh, like just asking questions and the other

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Speaker 1: kind of ships did it. But they did it. That

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00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: they did it and now they're not is relevant anymore.

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Speaker 1: Like that's Shapiro it uh in a way what they

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Speaker 1: wanted they like, it's I think they just wanted to

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Speaker 1: be famous and prominent intellectuals. Um. But the problem is

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Speaker 1: that now it's moved beyond them, and the right is

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Speaker 1: represented by a mix of the president and a bunch

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Speaker 1: of gun toting um howling violent fascists and people like

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro. Um. Yeah, I don't have nearly as much

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Speaker 1: cultural like cash as they used to have because things

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Speaker 1: have moved far beyond them, um, And things have moved

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Speaker 1: far beyond guys like like obviously, Ruben's biggest break was

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Speaker 1: his his friendship and his relationship to Jordan Peterson, and

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00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson's brain melted this year. Um and his daughter

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Speaker 1: first subjected him to experimental Russian drug addiction therapy and

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00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: then gave him covid. Um, So he's not he's not

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Speaker 1: really someone that Dave can cash in on anymore. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You and all meat diet would do something to your body. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that was even know if that's what did it? Like,

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Speaker 1: it's just in general, Yeah, Uh. Dave have been also

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00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: had kind of failed during his maximum period of expansion

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Speaker 1: to really have any actual Like A bunch of left

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Speaker 1: wing folks kept asking him to debate like and he

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Speaker 1: would never say yes, and he would actually regularly block

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Speaker 1: them um when they argued with him, because he actually

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Speaker 1: hates debate UM, so he doesn't. He's kind of locked

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Speaker 1: himself into this position where the acceptable ideological spectrum of

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00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: discussion in his show gets narrower and narrower every day. Um,

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Speaker 1: and he can't really bring in new blood and the

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Speaker 1: thing that he the what was once a fertile field

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Speaker 1: for a guy like him, which is kind of like,

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Speaker 1: I hate the left now. I'm not a right winger.

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00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm a classical liberal. Like, listen to me. As things

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00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: have gotten more polarized, nobody gives a shit about that anymore. Um,

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Speaker 1: or at least people give less shits about it than

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Speaker 1: they used to. Uh. And I actually found a write

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Speaker 1: up in medium from one of his former fans, um

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Speaker 1: who is still really a big fan of guys like

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris and Dr Jordan B. Peterson um,

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Speaker 1: but who has gotten bored with Dave Rubin lately and

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Speaker 1: I want to end this chunk of the episode with

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Speaker 1: a quote on from that. I say this as someone

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Speaker 1: who genuinely admires people like Sam Harris and even what

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Speaker 1: conservatives like Ben Shapiro have to say in two thousand nineteen,

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Speaker 1: the Reuben Report is only concerned with the same handful

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Speaker 1: of repetitive topics. Criticism of social justice warriors, political correctness,

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Speaker 1: and student coddling on university campuses is all well and good,

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Speaker 1: but it has reached the point of at nauseum with

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Speaker 1: Dave Reuben. I would further argue that outside of niche

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Speaker 1: internet political circles, the vast majority of people in daily

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Speaker 1: life are hardly concerned with these subjects to begin with.

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Speaker 1: After the eighth or ninth Softball Question interview with the

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Speaker 1: right leaning guest on dunking on blue haired gender studies,

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Speaker 1: majors working at Starbucks, and other blase conservative talking points,

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Speaker 1: I eventually decided that listening to the Reuben Report every

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Speaker 1: week was hardly the best use of my time. And

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Speaker 1: this dude who was a fan of his, got blocked

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Speaker 1: by Dave for like arguing very politely with him on

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Speaker 1: Twitter because again Dave's little fragile fragile little baby. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: both fragile fragile man ego. So that's a little overview

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Speaker 1: of day Rube Drew. Yeah, but time to make fun

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Speaker 1: of him now it is it's time to it's time

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Speaker 1: to look into his terrible book. Um, don't burn this book,

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Speaker 1: I think the first psychology because now all I want

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Speaker 1: to do is burn his book. Oh see, I don't

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00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: care about his book that much too, but I also

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: just like to burn things. Maybe I should preface that.

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, I mean I do enjoy a good fire. Yeah,

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00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: And the book is like the cover is don't burn

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Speaker 1: this book in big letters sub heading thinking for Yourself

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Speaker 1: in an Age of unreasoned And there's a big match

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Speaker 1: on the book. Um, and we're going to do the

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Speaker 1: thing we always do where we we buy the book

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Speaker 1: and then refunded as soon as we finish. Here. I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised his face is it on the cover? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so am I. It has like a jacket quote from

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Speaker 1: Dr Jordan B. Peterson, which I guess must be one

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Speaker 1: of the last things Dr Jordan B. Peterson did before

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Speaker 1: his his brain melted down. Um yeah whatever, Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: so his there's a fun quote in here. From his

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Speaker 1: publisher writes that in a time of madness, the book

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Speaker 1: will give you the tools you need to think for yourself,

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Speaker 1: which is very funny for for Dave Reuben to say

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Speaker 1: considering to think for yourself. He's never thought. He just

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00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: lets other people spew their thought vomit out on his show,

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Speaker 1: and then he nods unless they're on the left, in

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Speaker 1: which based disagrees shallowy yeah yeah. And a representative passage

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Speaker 1: from the book before we get into it reads, I

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Speaker 1: want you to walk into a bar and order a

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Speaker 1: full bodied opinion. I want you to get absolutely wasted

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Speaker 1: on facts until three am, and then when you're just

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Speaker 1: about ready to pass out, I want you to get

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Speaker 1: another glass of reality and chug it. See how funny

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00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: that is the comedy he's like reading drunk on knowledge?

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00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it's not even like the funny version

614
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Speaker 1: of that, Like you could do a funny version of

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00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: that where it's like, I want people to be well informed.

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Speaker 1: I want people to get wasted on the facts. I

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Speaker 1: want you to be shipping on the floor of your

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Speaker 1: aunt's apartment with knowledge. Yeah exactly. But David, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: when he read that back he was like, fuck, yeah, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm comedy, Yeah, genius. Yeah, it's I don't know, like

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Speaker 1: it's he's bad. Anyway, let's look into his book, shall we.

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Speaker 1: I actually want to start by reading so I told

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Speaker 1: you he's given a couple of different versions of the

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Speaker 1: story of like why he finally left the left, and

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Speaker 1: you know it started with his like the the what

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Speaker 1: seems to be the fact is that he had a

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Speaker 1: bunch of disagreement with jenk about his support of Israel

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Speaker 1: over Palestine, and like that led to other disagreements and

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Speaker 1: he was just kind of a pain in the s

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Speaker 1: to work with. Um. But in his book, Reuben gives

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Speaker 1: a very different story and he claims that, like his

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Speaker 1: his break with the left started in two thousand sixteen,

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Speaker 1: which we know it happened much earlier, but this makes

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Speaker 1: it is kind of a better story. And it was

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Speaker 1: during an interview with Larry Elder, who was a conservative

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Speaker 1: talk radio a black conservative talk radio guy, UM and

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Speaker 1: a very experienced talk radio guy. UM and Ruben used

638
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: the phrase systemic racism. UM and Elder challenge him and

639
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: rallied off. You know, he did the thing that like

640
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: you can do if two people who aren't good at

641
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: debating about something like this and like give off anecdotes

642
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: about individual incidents of police brutality that were misreported, or

643
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: talk about black on black crime, um, which you know,

644
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: ignores the fact that white people commit the most crimes

645
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: against white people, and ignores the fact that, like, no,

646
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: there's actually quite a bit of like, well, yes, there

647
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: are misreported cases of police brutality. There's a lot of

648
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: documentation about like because Ruben doesn't do research because he's

649
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: dumb um, or at least because he's a bad researcher,

650
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: or at least because he's dishonest, he had nothing, like

651
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: he had nothing to say against this or anything like that. Yeah,

652
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: And so he claims that like this interview with Elder

653
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: is what changed his his his opinion, which is like why, Um,

654
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: it's a smart move for him to try to pull

655
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: I guess he did it a little bit late, but

656
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: like he has to kind of rewrite that history because

657
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: sixteen is such an inflection point politically. Um. And because

658
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: this way he can u he can claim that like, no,

659
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: it was like a conservative black man and who like

660
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: pulled me, a gay man away from the left. So

661
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to clarify something that I

662
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: said up top about white guilt and queerness, because this

663
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: is perfectly proves my point is that when some um

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Speaker 1: people that are already marginalized, like if you're a white

665
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: gay man, like you could argue that you're already marginalized,

666
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: so you don't have to examine how your whiteness is

667
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: still problematic. And so I'm sure I'm sure there's an

668
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: element of that as far as um kind of using

669
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: a black man to like prove his point, like like

670
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: like like like help his story along because um, like

671
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: in his mind like I'm more, I'm also marginalized, like

672
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not like other white people, like I understand. Um.

673
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that makes sense. That's that

674
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, it does. And he definitely does this

675
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: thing where like he one of the things he rails

676
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: against the most in his show as identity politics, but

677
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: he also focused on like, well, I'm a game, and

678
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: and I think that's what he uses it to only

679
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: prove backwards points when really he's not. He's using it

680
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: as a crutch to not examine how his whiteness is

681
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: the main like a huge point of his privilege and

682
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: especially because he is able to uh pass as like

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00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: presuming like he's he's not someone that would get ostracized

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00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: in society by looking at him kind of thing. Um,

685
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: And so I think there's also privilege in passing uh.

686
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: And I think he really uses a sexuality as as

687
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: the worst kind of weapon against actual marginalized people, which

688
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: is so upsetting, and it's so upsetting for the gay

689
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: community and like in general, because Ah, I don't know

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00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: just that that kind of um, that that brand of

691
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: of whiteness is really upsetting to me. Yeah, it's it's

692
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: very frustrating, all of it's very frustrating. And the way

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00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: in which he kind of cashes in on look a

694
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: black man agrees with me about the left, like is

695
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: very gross and he his book is very silly. Um.

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00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: So I'm going to read from kind of the end

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00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: of the introduction here where he lists first off, the

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Speaker 1: greatest contemporary thinkers in the world, which includes Jordan Peterson,

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00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: Sam Harris, Bim Shapiro, Thomas Soul, Dennis Praeger, Brett Weinstein

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00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: Ion here see Ali Christina hoff Summers, who did a

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00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: documentary about the men's rights movement, and of course Peter

702
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: Teal famed, famed greatest intellectual in the world, Peter Teal.

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00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: Yoh yeah, they all. I mean, I guess we know

704
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: where some of that money is coming from. Huh. Parody. Yeah,

705
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: he is like a parody. Everyone who tries to be

706
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: an intellectual on the far right is like a parody

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00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: of a smart guy. Um. Yeah, they too came out

708
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: of the political closet and helps me to see that

709
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: tribalism is dead and that diversity of thought is far

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00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: more important than diversity for its own sake. We need

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00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: diversity of thought. We don't. It doesn't matter like if

712
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: we if everybody is white, as long as they think

713
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: different things, we can have a like god damn it. Yeah. Yeah,

714
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: that's one step away from like I don't see color.

715
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: But there's a good different. There's like a different, that's

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00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: what he's saying. Yeah. Yeah. He brands his book is

717
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: a tin step guide for political authenticity and promises in

718
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: it you'll learn how to embrace your wake up call.

719
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: It's the catalyst that brought you to do these pages

720
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: in the first place. I think freely or Die. You'll

721
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: get a much needed crash course and classically liberal principles

722
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: that stand the test of time, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA,

723
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: and then freely die. Stop worrying about whether you're a Nazi.

724
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, you're joking. That is not real. No,

725
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: that is a that isn't that that isn't truly if

726
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: I was writing a parody book about some right wing

727
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: nut that wrote a book about Oh my god, stop

728
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: worrying if you're no. Yeah, yeah, stop worrying about being

729
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: a Nazi, because that's that's clearly like, if you keep

730
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: getting called a Nazi, don't analyze whether or not you're

731
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: doing Nazi ship, just except that, like that, it means

732
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: nothing to be called a Nazi. That like you basically

733
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't even consider for a second. Yeah. Yeah, it's like,

734
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: don't worry if someone calls you a racist. You're fine, Like,

735
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: don't worry. Fine, yeah, declared you fine. Yeah, check your facts,

736
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: not your privilege. Don't tell me this book did well.

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00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: If this book did well, I'm I don't think truly

738
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: signing off. Yeah, I think I don't know. I think

739
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: it did. It did Okay, I don't think it was

740
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: like a giant national bestseller. Um let's see here. Um,

741
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: you can probably pull that up pretty fast. Oh it's new.

742
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: It's like it was like universally politically panned. Yeah, I

743
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: didn't realize it. Yeah, its a woke machine from outrage.

744
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't read the Yeah, I know,

745
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: it's it's incredibly frustrating. Um yeah, I mean it's not great.

746
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: It came out not that long ago. It's like number

747
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: almost five thousand in Barnes and Noble. It's like thirty

748
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: or fifty and Amazon. Like if I don't think it's yeah,

749
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean you have your friends all like it. It's not.

750
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: It has not been, you know, the giant success that

751
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: I think he hoped it would. They were hoping it

752
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: would like like, clearly this book is angled at like

753
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: converting a bunch of people to the right. Uh, and

754
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it did that. Um yeah, stop hating

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00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: America the Western straight white men. One of the motivations

756
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: you'll have to stand up against the mob is that

757
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: you'll love your country, the straight white men within it,

758
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: and Western values in general. In fact, you'll know that

759
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: America isn't perfect, nor can any nation ever be, but

760
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: that she has granted more people more freedoms than any

761
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: other country in the history of the world. You'll also

762
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: know that straight white men aren't evil, it's actually racist

763
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: and sexist to believe so. And that Western values are

764
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: rooted in individual rights at the cornerstone of free societies.

765
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: And again this is like he talks about how you

766
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: have to have your facts straight and going to debate

767
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: with facts, but of course he doesn't like do that

768
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: with this where number one, uh, nobody in any sort

769
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: of prominent position anywhere on the left is saying that

770
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: straight white men are evil. They're saying that, like the

771
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: concept of whiteness is fundamentally toxic and we need to

772
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 1: reorient our societies away from it. And also the idea

773
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: that Western values rooted in individual rights are the cornerstoins

774
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: of free society ignores a couple of things. You wanted

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00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: to list a couple of those things in the in

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00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: the seventeen seventies, when the British conquered India and then

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00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: starved between thirty and forty million people to death in

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00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: order to maximize the profits of the British East India Company,

779
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: that was not rooted in individual rights. Was it not

780
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: super into rooted in individual rights when like the European

781
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: powers took over basically the entire Middle East and partitioned

782
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: it up without asking any of the people who lived

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00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: in the former Ottoman Empire where they wanted to live

784
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: in the psychs Pico Agreement, and then forced a lot

785
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: of them under dictators in order to maximize oil revenue.

786
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: That was not, like, you know, super respectful of individual rights.

787
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: When the United States had Salvadora Inde assassinated or a

788
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: lot of other leaders assassinated in Central America and then

789
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: back death squads through the schools of the America, killing

790
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people in leading to mass rape campaigns,

791
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: including the burning alive of numerous nuns, that was also

792
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: not rooted in respect for individual rights. Um, you might say,

793
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: Western values have never been rooted in individual rights and

794
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: have instead been rooted in plundering the rest of the

795
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: world for the wealth of the West, who get to

796
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: have individual rights as long as they don't criticize the

797
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: plundering of the world anyway, fun, David Reuben, I brought

798
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: some facts, Dave, Um, we can talk about those if

799
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: you want. I'll go on your show. He'll never He'll

800
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: never agree to any type of back and forth. He

801
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: would just expose him right, Like, okay, but I will

802
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: say I, Um, I'm skimming through these reviews on Amazon

803
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: want to throw up or they're they're overwhelmingly positive. I'm

804
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: sure he must have bought some of them. I refused

805
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: to believe this. Many idiots exists in the world. But

806
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: there's this really long one um that's near that is

807
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: basically a five star review. This book can change your life.

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00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: It talks about how he used to be. He used

809
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: to call himself a feminist, and how feminist in his

810
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: own life canceled him because of arguments about the crime

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00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: of rape. And oh boy, I wonder what those arcuments were. God, well,

812
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: I can continue if you're curious. Yeah, please, I want

813
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: to know what this guy. I want to I want

814
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: to know this Dave Reuben fans hot take on rapes. Well, okay,

815
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: this is like the third or four of the fourth

816
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: paragraph down of this essay review. It says, Um, the

817
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: first line of it is I had never heard of

818
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: David Reuben when I was fan of the Young Turks,

819
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: and while I still called past tense, I called myself

820
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: a feminist. Um, feminists in my own life canceled me

821
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: for numerous reasons or attempted to in parentheses. One of

822
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: the arguments was over the crime of rape, as in

823
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: rape is a heinous crime that has best practices for

824
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: prevention and resistance, just like preventing and resisting the crime

825
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: of murder, where men number upon its primary victims. The

826
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: audacity that one would talk about preventing rape as if

827
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: the solution is not to simply tell men to rape less.

828
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: We have laws against such things, and these simple schoolmarm admonition,

829
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: surprise don't work on rapists. This got me canceled by

830
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: more people that I can count, including one person. Um well,

831
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: I had the displeasure of seeing introduced Sam Harris and

832
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: Richard Dawkins for one of their gatherings. By this time,

833
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: I had taken a major dose of the red I

834
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: had a major dose of the red pill, and I

835
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: was taking some type of comfort. Was I crazy? Could

836
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: I be literally Hitler? Because I dare think outside literally

837
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: it's like this bockstep enter David Reuben and how this

838
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: man changed his life. Um, oh my god. People for

839
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: the most part aren't called I. I don't believe people

840
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: have been calling him literally Hitler for his controversial stance

841
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: on rape. I think they've been like dude, what the funk?

842
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: Like why are you so adamant about arguing with everybody

843
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: about rape? And like like what is wrong with you?

844
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god? So apparently he dedicated the book to

845
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck. Is that Dave Ruben did. That's what Chad

846
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: says that Amazon, it's that real. That seems like it's

847
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: got to be a joke. Um, I have to look

848
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: to double check this big Oh it is it is

849
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: for Ben Affleck. I'm sure that's some sort of joke

850
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: that we don't get because we don't watch this terrible show. Um,

851
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's horrible. Well, no, it's not fun

852
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck. Like I don't think Ben Affleck believes anything

853
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: other than having a gigantic, hideous tattoo of a phoenix

854
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: on his back, which, in fairness to Ben Affleck, is

855
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: more of a commitment than Dave of Reuben has ever

856
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: made to anything controversial. Like, like, you gotta give Affleck credit.

857
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: It is not a cowardly decision to have the tattoo

858
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: that he has. That is a commitment that that is

859
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: a type of person you are going to be. Anything else,

860
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: let alone the tattoo itself. I will say, I'm not

861
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: an Affleck fan. The only thing that Affleck that I

862
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: respect Affleck four is I think it was like a

863
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen or something. But I dislike Bill Maher a lot.

864
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: I know he's a piece of ship. I hate Bill

865
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: mar Yeah, but when he was on his show and

866
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: Bill Maher was being his regular slamophobic self, Bill or

867
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck uh fought back against him on his show

868
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: and he was like one of the only commentators on

869
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: the stage that was like really upset or something and

870
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: like fought back pretty hard. So I really respected him

871
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: for that reason. But regular person I Yeah, I will

872
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: say of Ben Affleck, and this is actually my favorite

873
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: thing about Ben Affleck is that he looks like a

874
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: man who committed that, despite his fame and despite being

875
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: classically handsome most of the time, uh, and despite like

876
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: the legions of adoring fans he's had throughout aspects of

877
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: his career, he committed to never not being the kind

878
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: of guy who would throw empty cans of steel reserve

879
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: at his television at four in the morning. And that's

880
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: what his back tattoo represents. Like riding out, rising out

881
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: of the ashes, yeah, and then hooking a steel reserve

882
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: can at the television because he's angry at it. That's

883
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck. And I will say I don't find him

884
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: attractive in the slightest but um no, But clearly he

885
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: must have to someone, right, he had that whole career

886
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: who made him batman whatever apparently he is. He he

887
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: takes some boxes for some people, but people want to

888
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck and that's like, is this classic example of

889
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: white men just needing to be above a certain height

890
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: to be considered attractive? In my opinion, this was just

891
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: turned into a Ben Affleck stand podcast? Stand no Stand.

892
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't think of a single movie he's

893
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: been in where I actually cared about his his his

894
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: his appearance at all. But I love the pictures of

895
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: him like shirtless and out of shape, drunk and staring

896
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: out at things. And I will say, yeah, theres something

897
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: tragically beautiful about that. Yeah, I I admire that greatly

898
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: because I have that energy myself a lot of the time,

899
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: just like funk this ship. I'm going to drink a

900
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: forty and someone else's trash can. Yeah, it's amazing. We're

901
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: talking about Ben Affleck right now because Dave Rubens sucks

902
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: so bad that we're all thinking like a Ben Affleck.

903
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: There's a person that I didn't keep to him, so

904
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: it is that is kind of interesting. You know what's

905
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: better than Dave Reuben and a more honest intellectual thinker

906
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: than Dave Reuben exactly Ray Theon. Well, Dave Reuben vacillates

907
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: and you know, refuses to commit and and just lets

908
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: fascists talk over him and platforms them. Ray Theon doesn't

909
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: platform anybody. They just build missile guidance systems that kill

910
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: people in Yemen. And you know what I don't have.

911
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: Let's roll the rest of the ads. Okay, we're back,

912
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: and speaking of backs, I spent the ad break looking

913
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: at that picture of Ben afflecks unbelievable back tattoo, which

914
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: I I at no point in my life will I

915
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: ever have had enough of realizing that in everything Ben

916
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Affleck has ever done, that's been underneath his shirt all

917
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: the time. You han't escape it. You can't escape it.

918
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's leave read what Dave Reuben has to

919
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: say about drugs. I've done a pretty decent amount of

920
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: drugs in my day, which is a sign that someone's

921
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 1: either done no drugs or only done cocaine. Um yeah,

922
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: I've smoked pots, snorted coke, eating magic mushrooms, I've danced

923
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: poorly on ecstasy, and probably a couple of other things.

924
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: These days, I'm a red wine and Indica guy, But

925
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't deny my past. Actually I have some great

926
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: memories of it. Yeaha YadA, YadA, YadA. Okay, calls magic

927
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: mushrooms magic mushrooms, has never done shrooms. Um yeah, yeah, Okay,

928
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: So he's talking, he's doing like a standard libertarian thing

929
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: about how like it's we should just legalize this stuff,

930
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: which is fine, Like it's the standard libertarian thing you've

931
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: got to go through. Um YadA, YadA, YadA, um okay.

932
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: The catches that this libertarian inspired view falls apart when

933
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: it starts to include Schedule one substances such as crack

934
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: and heroin, which are obviously very different. Beast crack is

935
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: just cocaine, like David, crack is just a form of cocaine.

936
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: You're just criminalized the version that you think black people

937
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: tend to do, like he he has no idea about

938
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: the history of crack and why it's called crack and

939
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: willing Yeah, like I don't know, man, Like what a

940
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: but no, these are the drugs that need that need

941
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: the lightest possible touch of government to to to criminalize them,

942
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: because freedom can't be a free for all, he writes, um,

943
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: and we don't want a breaking bad episode happening next

944
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: or well, if methamphetamine, we're saying, manufactured by the government

945
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: in the way that certain schedule women arcotics are in

946
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: parts of Europe, and we're distributed to people who need

947
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: like take it. Uh and, and you know that we're

948
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: like a thing that they could do and get a

949
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: get a consistent product and not have to deal with

950
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: drug dealers. Then maybe there wouldn't be as much street crime.

951
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: And maybe because they're going into like government facilities where

952
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: there's nurses and stuff, people could actually get healthcare. Uh

953
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: and and hopefully eventually get off of meth which is

954
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: how they've treated heroin addiction very successfully in parts of Scandinavia.

955
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: But like Dave again, the guy who talks about coming

956
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 1: armed with facts doesn't he just talks about how okay,

957
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: So he talks about how bad and scary San Francisco

958
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: is because of meth and opiates. Um, And that's his

959
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: that's why the government needs to criminalize those drugs is

960
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: because San Francisco is scary, and which is like I

961
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: grew up in Dallas, dude, Like there's parts of Dallas

962
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: like like San Francisco has got its sketchy like neighborhoods

963
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: largely because there's just a lot of houseless people who

964
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: the local city government and like the Nimbi type rich

965
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: folks don't want to help. But like fucking hang out

966
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: in Dallas or fucking Atlanta or like a whole every city. Yeah,

967
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: anyone that calls San Francisco scary has lived a very

968
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: privileged life, to say the least. It's it's yeah, it's

969
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: a mix of like what they consider scary. Like right,

970
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: it's in in a lot of the Deep South, you

971
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: deal with more meth shacks. In San Francisco, you're more

972
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: likely to find needles on the ground. But it's like, yeah,

973
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: all of them are symptoms of the fact that our

974
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: society has serious problems. It's not the fault of the

975
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: actual individual substances, because we know that that's not how

976
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: society has failed so many people. And yeah, and it's

977
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: just not the fault of those people as the fault

978
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: of a society at large. But then making you sound

979
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: like they're the reasons why a city is scary that

980
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: is so problematic. Yeah, it's the whole. It's the whole.

981
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: Like the Dave's whole argument basically is that, like I

982
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: think the drugs that white people do should be legal, um,

983
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: of course, or the at least that I see white

984
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: people doing should be legal. Um. So yeah, this whole

985
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: section is basically him explaining why, like if you support

986
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: things like gay marriage, uh and and uh that kind

987
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: of stuff. Uh, you're you're you're a classical liberal like him. Um,

988
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: although you should, you should still support people who are

989
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: caught with heroin or meth being put in prison rather

990
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: than receiving treatment because San Francisco scary. Um. Dave Reuben

991
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: is a is a consistent guy. Oh god, Okay, here's

992
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: his views on abortion. Um. Before this process started, I'd

993
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: always been solidly pro choice, though in the last two

994
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: years or so, I've begun to describe myself as begrudgingly

995
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: pro choice. After you're learning more about the biology of

996
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: gestation in the process of abortion and seeing the left

997
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: fetishize it in a way I'm not comfortable with their

998
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: countless videos on YouTube of women celebrating their termination, while

999
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: organizations says to shout your abortion encourages Twitter users to

1000
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: do the same with carefree abandoned. Okay, I sorry, I

1001
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: saw vomiting when you said the word gestation. Yeah yeah,

1002
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: it's it's him. It's him. Number one, Like willfully misunderstanding,

1003
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: like the difference between people being like, hey, you shouldn't

1004
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: be ashamed if you've had an abortion. People need to

1005
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: be more open about that fact so that like they

1006
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: there's less storm around it. Like you're not saying like, yeah,

1007
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: I love the fact that I got an abortion. It's fun.

1008
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: Let's go get another. Nobody like enjoys that process. But

1009
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: there's no shame in it. That's the whole point of

1010
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah. Yeah, it's just the things that you're normalizing,

1011
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: Like talking about it and being open about it makes

1012
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: it less of a taboo and makes it less less

1013
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: of something that you feel shame around. It's not about

1014
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: being crowd that you terminate a pregnancy. It's about normalizing

1015
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: even seeking it out, and so it's not the shameful

1016
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: taboo topic. It's this thing that conservatives keep doing with

1017
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: like should they do with sex education too, where like

1018
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: if you're if you're in favor of like kids getting

1019
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: better sex education, then you're in favor of sexualizing children's like, like,

1020
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: you shouldn't even be telling kids that like sex is

1021
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: good or bad. You should just be explaining very simply

1022
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: what it is, how it works, how their bodies work,

1023
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: Like it should be. It should be like learning about

1024
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: the fucking Falkland's invasion or whatever. It should be just

1025
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: another fucking class like, this is your body, this is

1026
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: how it works, this is how this all like. You're

1027
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: not nobody's sexualizing kids should just it's sexy. It should

1028
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: not be this thing we only talked about behind closed doors,

1029
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: like normalizing talking about it starts. It should start very young,

1030
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: and it should start just as an educational thing. And

1031
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: conservatives make everything about be like they just twisted They

1032
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: twist it so strangely. Yeah, all right, this is a

1033
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: terrible book. Let's move down to the fucking Nazi. Okay,

1034
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: I want to see some of these guys. Don't worry,

1035
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: You're not a Nazi. Don't worry, you're not a Nazi.

1036
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: That's what someone says, he is a Nazi. Congratulations, I

1037
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: have fantastic news. You are not a Nazi. You may

1038
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: be wondering how I know this, considering we've probably never met.

1039
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: But trust me, I know what's vitally going forward is

1040
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: that you know this too. You don't know David. He's

1041
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: like making a sound like if you're reading his book,

1042
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: you're a good person. You're smart enough to not be

1043
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: you bought this book by me? Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay.

1044
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: So he goes into how like Nazis were actually socialists. Uh,

1045
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: people have totally rewritten history on the matter. No they haven't.

1046
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: They just understand that it was like a branding sort

1047
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: of thing, and that there was a left wing of

1048
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party that all got murdered in the Night

1049
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: of Long Knives. That's what that was, David, was the

1050
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: left wing of the Nazi Party all getting killed. But again,

1051
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: none of these people have ever oh yeah, he twitters.

1052
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: Or he talked about how Hitler was on the left

1053
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: because he was an art loving vegetarian um and that

1054
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: he wooed voters away from Germany Social Democrat and comings

1055
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Speaker 1: most of hit like the core Hitler support came from

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Speaker 1: the German conservatives. I'm pretty sure, like the monarchists in

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00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: the right wing. But okay, like again just completely uh completely,

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Speaker 1: and like, here's okay, so this is funny. So he

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00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: talks about how Mussolini also has to have clearly come

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00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: up from been a left wing guy because he started

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00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: out as a left wing journalist, which is true. Mussolini

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00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: was initially a socialist and a left winger like Dave Ruben.

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Speaker 1: Then he became a fascist like Dave Ruben. You know,

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: glossed over that fact. Oh cool. He just talks about

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Speaker 1: how real Nazis hated gays and Jews to the point

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Speaker 1: of mass extermination of them, and which is true. Nazis

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Speaker 1: killed a lot of gay people. Let's talk about Ernst Rome.

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Speaker 1: You've heard of the brown Shirts, right, yes, yeah, they

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00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: were Hitler's street by his proud boys. These are guys

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Speaker 1: who go out in the street like murder left wing activists.

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Speaker 1: They were his like his enforcers, the like violent arm

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Speaker 1: of the Nazi electoral movement. The head of the s A,

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Speaker 1: the head of the brown Shirts, was in a flamboyantly

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Speaker 1: and fairly openly gay man named Ernst Rome, who was

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00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: caught when Hitler decided he had to kill him because

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00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: the Nazis had gained power and they wanted to purge

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00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: the left in Rome was an embarrassment because he was gay. Uh.

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: They found him at like a giant orgy at a

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: castle with a bunch of his like his boy toys

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00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: and stuff, and he like he like the Nazis had

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: a ton of Game members early on. They killed them

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00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: all after they got into power, which might be a

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00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: warning to fucking Dave Reuben, like when you truck with

1084
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: these people who hate you, they will use you while

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00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: you're valuable for them to get in power, and then

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00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: they'll put you in a camp or just have you

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Speaker 1: shoot yourself in a prison. David actually read some history.

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Speaker 1: He's like mapping out his own demise exactly. Yeah, these

1089
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: people are very frustrating. And I that he that he

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Speaker 1: said that Hitler was on the left because he was

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01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: art loving vegetarian. He just basically called him a hipster, right,

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Speaker 1: Like it's like, I don't know, it's just like the

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01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: weirdest thing to be, like to prove a point. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He does point out that someone on Twitter said Dave

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: Reuben isn't a Nazi, it's just that he'd sit across

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01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: from Himler and say interesting a lot, which is actually

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01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: a pretty accurate. Yeah, it's good stuff. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: he's so he's that idiotic to not realize that he

1099
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: people will he can only go so far with the stick.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, yeah, and it it does seem

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01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: like he's kind of, um, he's running to the end

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: of his grif. Now he did get very rich. We'll

1103
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: see how much long that last and how long he's

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: able to like carry some of this ship for um.

1105
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's going to have super long

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01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: career after this, because, like especially if hopefully things go

1107
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: well in the election. I mean, we'll fucking see. Um.

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Speaker 1: But even now, like with Trump and power, like as

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01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: always happens to these guys, he has rapidly lost influence

1110
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Speaker 1: because Dave Rubin was only ever valuable as a vehicle

1111
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: to like push these far right thinkers, just like all

1112
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Speaker 1: the other intellectual dark web guys. And now that it's

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Speaker 1: become mainstream to just openly call for the executions of

1114
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Speaker 1: your political opponents in the installation of a dictatorship among

1115
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Speaker 1: the right, there's not a whole lot of need for

1116
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Speaker 1: classical liberals, you know, I don't know, we'll see, maybe

1117
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: we're wrong. I hope not. I hope you're right. I

1118
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: mean I trust, I trust your instincts Um. I hope

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Speaker 1: this is the last time I'll ever have to talk

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Speaker 1: about him. Um. But yeah, garbage man. Yeah, he's trash

1121
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: and I think we're done talking about him, but I

1122
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: don't want to Await. Sorry, I insulted actual people that

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Speaker 1: work as garbageman. That's all what I meant. Oh no,

1124
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Speaker 1: no garbageman or awesome. Yeah, no, one of the most

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Speaker 1: important jobs in the entire civilization. Yeah, he is a

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Speaker 1: man made of garbage. Yes, that's what I meant. He's

1127
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: like a pile of trash. He's not a garbage man.

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Speaker 1: A garbage man would remove him to a dump and

1129
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: thus carry out an incredibly necessary role in modern civilization,

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Speaker 1: an active service to help us all. Yeah, thank you

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01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: garbagemen and women and non binary garbage people of all sorts. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to clarify and before someone jumped on

1133
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: me saying that term. Yeah, nothing but love for garbage

1134
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: people here, but not people made of garbage. We're gonna

1135
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: need to work on some of the language here, but

1136
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Speaker 1: that that can happen later. Sharine, you got any pluggables

1137
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: to plug, pluggables to plug? Well, you can follow me

1138
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: along the interwebs if you want, I'm Shiro here instagram

1139
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: s h E E R O H. And then on

1140
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Speaker 1: Twitter it's Shiro Heroix six. Um. Yeah, and I have

1141
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: a podcast called Ethinically Ambiguous, and I'm writing a second

1142
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: poetry book. My first one is out there somewhere. Um.

1143
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I am trying to work on more films.

1144
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: So if you want to see what I come up with,

1145
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: follow me along if you want. And if you don't

1146
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: I get it, well follow follow Sharine. Uh. And what

1147
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was gonna have a joke, but

1148
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a joke. I don't have

1149
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: a joke to in this on make your own fucking

1150
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: jokes people, What do you think I owe you a

1151
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: joke right now just because you listen to my episode.

1152
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm getting abusive now, and that's not Think

1153
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: back to the image, Robert, Think back to the beach.

1154
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: The tattoo. Yeah, fucking ben Affleck bent over belly spilling out,

1155
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: giant phoenix tattoo on his back and a fortius steel

1156
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: reserve in his hands. Just the saddest man who's ever lived. God,

1157
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: I love him, Robert, you kind of went Robert Evans

1158
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: Left Bad. There's that. Oh yeah, well yeah, and watch

1159
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: me on Fox News for my new show, Left Equals Bad.

1160
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Speaker 1: Um filmed on my private island that I bought with

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01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: the eighty million dollars they gave me. Um yeah yeah,

1162
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: those flight logs better watch out, well, listen not, we

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Speaker 1: don't need to talk about Okay, episodes done