Speaker 1: Hi guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by
Speaker 1: my friend Emily Simpson for our new spinoff show Popping Off,
Speaker 1: where we are digging deep on this season of Vanner
Speaker 1: Pump Rules. Welcome to another episode of Popping Off with myself,
Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp and and Emily Simpson.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the finale of Vanner Pump
Speaker 1: Rules and we'll talk about the valley. But before, of course,
Speaker 1: we have had lines, okay, which the first one is
Speaker 1: we get a first look at the three part vander
Speaker 1: Pump Rules Reunion Bravo video. It's revealed that the cast
Speaker 1: will be watching the season finale together so we can
Speaker 1: get their real time reactions to the episode. From the
Speaker 1: sneak peek, it's clear that there will be a lot
Speaker 1: of tears, people will feel betrayed, and Lisa tells someone
Speaker 1: sometimes it's okay to walk away.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I watched the So I watched the trailer
Speaker 2: for the reunion. So they so none of them watched
Speaker 2: the finale episode going into the reunion. It wasn't just
Speaker 2: like a clip that they showed or they showed the
Speaker 2: entire finale episode.
Speaker 1: My guess is they're showing bits and pieces of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think what we've seen throughout Watch What Happens
Speaker 1: Live this year is a lot of these people they're
Speaker 1: not watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't, like I don't watch ocy, so
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: But I mean we heard Arianna say that she hadn't
Speaker 1: had time to watch. Even last night on Watch What
Speaker 1: Happens Live, it was Jax doesn't watch. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like Andy's like, no, no, we need everybody
Speaker 1: to actually.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, here's your assignment. We're gonna we're gonna take
Speaker 2: We're gonna put you all together, and you're all gonna
Speaker 2: sit here and you're gonna watch it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna watch it because it's the only way we
Speaker 1: can trust that you're all going to see this go down.
Speaker 2: So I would think that they probably just showed that
Speaker 2: maybe the last five minutes or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last ten minutes, I would say, like the
Speaker 1: last ten minutes kind of where it starts. But even
Speaker 1: before we get to that, Katie went on Off the
Speaker 1: Vine podcast and had this to say about vander Pump
Speaker 1: Rules season. She says, you know, she doesn't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 2: She calls the cast.
Speaker 1: Broken and says they don't know if they're getting picked
Speaker 1: up for another season until it's public news. She's unsure
Speaker 1: if they're done or not.
Speaker 2: What's your what's your gut thought on that?
Speaker 1: Well? I at first my true thought was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this felt like when they showed all like their like
Speaker 1: first season confessionals and like how they've changed throughout the
Speaker 1: years or not changed or whatever it may be. It
Speaker 1: felt very much like an end. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if that means it's an end to Vanner Pump Rules
Speaker 1: and they're going to be moving some of the van
Speaker 1: pub Rules people to the Valley, or if it means
Speaker 1: they're gonna just do a big cast shake up because
Speaker 1: some of these people, and I'm not saying there's some
Speaker 1: that I don't want to watch or some that it's
Speaker 1: but some it really makes these people would make sense
Speaker 1: on the Valley at this point. Yeah, but they don't
Speaker 1: make sense to what the original show was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean watching it, I felt like
Speaker 2: it wasn't just a season finale, but a series finale. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But then I thought maybe it was edited that way.
Speaker 2: So so it's open to interpretation, and then if it
Speaker 2: does end up ending, it ended in a way where
Speaker 2: it was a good ending for the series in total. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. I do feel like the
Speaker 2: Valley is the next extension and it makes sense. I mean,
Speaker 2: we get to the point where you have these they've
Speaker 2: been together for ten years, they don't work in a
Speaker 2: bar anymore, They're they're not on the same page anymore.
Speaker 2: They're not in the same place in their life. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I do think it makes sense that like
Speaker 2: Shena and Brock would be on the Valley, and it
Speaker 2: seems like the next extension that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Even if the Toms went over to the Valley, that
Speaker 1: would make more sense seeing them get into that next
Speaker 1: stage of their life. They you know, we're going to
Speaker 1: be seeing Jesse and Jack's also single. Like I think
Speaker 1: all of that kind of can mesh together. My question though,
Speaker 1: is like what does that mean for Arianna, Katie and Lala,
Speaker 1: Because clearly what I got from the end of that
Speaker 1: episode was not necessarily what's right or what's wrong or
Speaker 1: healthy boundaries. I think they're What it's actually showing is
Speaker 1: some of us are still willing to come up here
Speaker 1: and do whatever we have to do for this job,
Speaker 1: and some of us aren't. And that kind of divide
Speaker 1: really adds another dynamic to just their living separate lives.
Speaker 1: I mean, Brittany says to Lala on the after show,
Speaker 1: I'll bring her over to the valley. I mean, so
Speaker 1: maybe it's something where the majority of them can transition.
Speaker 2: I feel like Lala works on the valley too. You're
Speaker 2: talking about a mother, she has a child, she's pregnant,
Speaker 2: she's gonna have another child. I feel like she has
Speaker 2: stepped over into the valley where we're talking more about couples, families,
Speaker 2: kids and how people are navigating that life. And I
Speaker 2: think la La can segue into that as well.
Speaker 1: But then what does that say for Katie and Arianev
Speaker 1: Do they have their own just the two of them
Speaker 1: type show? But I think watching them clearly they have
Speaker 1: outgrown fan or pump rules.
Speaker 2: I agree because I feel like in the end, in
Speaker 2: the finale, I mean, I don't feel like I don't
Speaker 2: feel like Arianna's in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not necessary. Here's the thing, because I'm
Speaker 1: watching it from both sides, and I guess we can
Speaker 1: get into it more when we start to recap the episode,
Speaker 1: but watching it from both sides, I see Arianna wanting
Speaker 1: to put her boundaries down. Also see where you know
Speaker 1: some of the people are like, this is crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: like what happened to Like we're all having to still
Speaker 1: show up and do this. We know that you were heartbroken,
Speaker 1: but like you still signed up and you're still getting
Speaker 1: the same paycheck, right, we got to do this, So
Speaker 1: it's really Well, I think.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question, and I mean you can actually
Speaker 2: I feel like that even segus over into other housewife shows,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Where do you draw the line with boundaries
Speaker 2: when you're on a reality show? Like can you have boundaries?
Speaker 2: Are you allowed to put boundaries in place? Are you
Speaker 2: allowed to say, you know, I'm still going to take
Speaker 2: a paycheck, but I'm not going to film with that person.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be around that person. Like, well,
Speaker 2: is that fair?
Speaker 1: Well, let me put it to you this way. You
Speaker 1: do not have to respond to me on this whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I probably can't go out.
Speaker 1: I can't, but I'm going to say if I was
Speaker 1: in Shannon's situation going into this season and I found
Speaker 1: out that they were going to bring Alexis and and
Speaker 1: Shannon's ex onto the show at that point. If I
Speaker 1: was feeling a certain kind of way, I maybe would
Speaker 1: have said to the network or the production company, if
Speaker 1: you guys are going to have her on, I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in doing this show. However, you then have to
Speaker 1: be okay with getting the answer you may not want
Speaker 1: to hear, which is by then goodbye. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a really hard thing for people to do. I
Speaker 1: don't think if you're going to remain on a show,
Speaker 1: you get the option of who you're going to film
Speaker 1: with or who you're not. I mean, even we're watching
Speaker 1: Melissa Gorga and Teresa, they're not having scenes together, but
Speaker 1: they're in the same place. They're having to do it,
Speaker 1: and it's going to lead to more issues because of that.
Speaker 1: But I think what people saw at the beginning was
Speaker 1: Arianna pretty much saying no, like there should be no friendship,
Speaker 1: there should be nothing, there should be no crossover. But
Speaker 1: then both people were hired on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then what do you do? You do your job.
Speaker 1: You either do your job or you walk away, and
Speaker 1: not walk away at the end of the season, you quit.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with that, so I mean, once.
Speaker 1: We read through exactly what they said, we can kind
Speaker 1: of decipher that more we did see on by Wig
Speaker 1: Hello Drama. Instagram posts that Zach Wickham's interview When Reality
Speaker 1: Hits reveals new info. Zach tells Brittany that producers were
Speaker 1: interviewing the Valley cast for two years before started filming.
Speaker 1: He did a lot of interviews with Kristin because at
Speaker 1: the time he was prepared to donate his sperm to Kristen.
Speaker 2: Did she think about that hairline when she asked for that?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we even went back to see what
Speaker 1: his hairline looked as a teenager. It's always been the same.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that happened.
Speaker 1: What about Jack's removing Lori k Did you see this? Oh?
Speaker 2: He removed her from his Instagram bio. Yeah. At the
Speaker 2: Bravo investigator says the audio in this post is from
Speaker 2: an interview Laurie did on the When Reality Hits podcast
Speaker 2: on July fifth, twenty twenty three. In this episode, Brittany
Speaker 2: is saying Lori is one of her closest friends and
Speaker 2: she doesn't know what she'd do without her. Laurie also
Speaker 2: says she has access to both Jack's and Britney's Instagram accounts.
Speaker 2: You know, I did see Jackson watch What Happens Live
Speaker 2: and when Andy asks him as there been in any infidelity,
Speaker 2: he said absolutely not. So what's your take on that?
Speaker 2: Do you believe him absolutely not? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I found that interview. I wanted them to kind of
Speaker 1: come in and either be like total douche lords or
Speaker 1: funny or over the top, and I felt like their
Speaker 1: body language was weird. I felt like both of them
Speaker 1: like we're tiptoeing around who they actually are, and it
Speaker 1: didn't find it entertaining. I was like, you're either are
Speaker 1: going to come.
Speaker 2: In and make and embrace right.
Speaker 1: You're either going to be a fucking asshole and you're
Speaker 1: going to double down on being an asshole, or you're
Speaker 1: going to come in and you're gonna have big apologies.
Speaker 1: But I think they both tried to do both, and
Speaker 1: to me, that's a problem. Yeah, you can't. You're either
Speaker 1: going to reveal who you are or you're not. But
Speaker 1: seeing Sandoval's girlfriend who may or may not be his
Speaker 1: girlfriend anymore in the audience saying that she never watched
Speaker 1: the show, that interaction was also very strange to me.
Speaker 2: So do you think they're broken up. They've unfollowed each other,
Speaker 2: right or no, he still follows her, but she unfollowed him.
Speaker 1: Some blogger posted that they unfollowed each other and that
Speaker 1: Billy Lee unfollowed them, and blah blah blah, And all
Speaker 1: I can think is like, who did this? Is this
Speaker 1: something Jack said? Did they go somewhere afterwards? Did Jack's
Speaker 1: out something that then pissed her off? But we don't
Speaker 1: know because now she is private Victoria is, so I
Speaker 1: can't see who she follows. So have bloggers ever gotten
Speaker 1: it wrong?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Have bloggers also gotten it right? Yes, but we do not.
Speaker 1: We cannot give a definitive answer on this question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she did seem aw not as awkward as Joe,
Speaker 1: but she seemed quite awkward in that audet.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the epenome of awkwardness. This is Joe. Joe's
Speaker 2: up here at the top. Everything just trickles down from there.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know. Maybe Jack's was not
Speaker 2: himself because he was second seat next to Sandoval, and
Speaker 2: he is the number one guy in the group, So
Speaker 2: maybe that was like a kick in the pants when
Speaker 2: he got there.
Speaker 1: You know who also didn't really seem too thrilled to
Speaker 1: be there, those two plastic surgeons.
Speaker 2: They were like, shit, this is not the publicity.
Speaker 1: We thought, right, get here?
Speaker 2: Why did we agree to this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then did you see Ann's post where she
Speaker 1: went on Instagram and pretty much was like I was
Speaker 1: asked a show to do something kind of like much
Speaker 1: much smash me from Live, but I can't say what
Speaker 1: it is, and it's to be the bartender. But the
Speaker 1: network doesn't pay for your flights or your hotels. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a little PSA out there if anybody
Speaker 1: wants to pay for a hotel room for me so
Speaker 1: I can go. I was like, I don't know with
Speaker 1: this recent granted, go get yours all you can, Like,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to be sending your private dms to
Speaker 1: different hotels in New York and try and get a
Speaker 1: free room, that makes sense. But putting it out there
Speaker 1: that they don't pay for your flight, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, that is embarrassing.
Speaker 1: It just made me feel a little embarrassed, like we've
Speaker 1: been tamanned throughout it all. But that muss that that
Speaker 1: post sent seemed a little off to me, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, if I was the network seeing that I'd
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, you're not supposed to share any of
Speaker 1: these things. Now you're sharing all of the things. And
Speaker 1: also now I don't know, I just don't I would
Speaker 1: imagine it's frowned upon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cringey.
Speaker 1: It was cringey. It was crumchy. Chicago the Musical reveals
Speaker 1: Ariana Maddox is returning to Broadway. Ariana will be returning
Speaker 1: to Chicago from August first to the twenty seventh of
Speaker 1: this year. Fans are speculating this may be the reason
Speaker 1: Season twelve filming is being delayed.
Speaker 2: What do you think you think it has to do
Speaker 2: with that. I think it's their regular.
Speaker 1: Film schedule summer, So normally they would pick up like
Speaker 1: middle of June, I think, and they film all summer.
Speaker 2: Well, so this is basically the entire month.
Speaker 1: Of August, so it'd be like the final the I mean,
Speaker 1: between that and her hosting Love Island, which is also
Speaker 1: on Peacock. This could just be there waiting for her
Speaker 1: and seeing or this could be she's already told them
Speaker 1: I'm done and they need to figure out who the
Speaker 1: new cast is going to be or where we're going
Speaker 1: to put all these people. I mean, where where she
Speaker 1: is in her life. I do think she is in
Speaker 1: a place where she could walk away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. I mean maybe she should
Speaker 2: not just could, but should. But also we have to
Speaker 2: speak about.
Speaker 1: The elephant in the room. Was not get paid as
Speaker 1: well to go and do an additional month on Chicago
Speaker 1: as you do to be on van der Pump rolls.
Speaker 1: So even though yes, being on Chicago is a dream
Speaker 1: type situation, if they were to offer that to me,
Speaker 1: I'd be there in a second, even if I had
Speaker 1: to be like Anne and a hotel room, you know,
Speaker 1: like all of those things. But it's not a ginormous payday.
Speaker 1: You're not there getting glammed. You're doing your own glam.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I remember when I went to see
Speaker 1: Erica there like you're in a small little dressing room
Speaker 1: getting yourself ready, putting your wig on.
Speaker 2: Like it is it's true theater. It's not. It's not
Speaker 2: reality TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true theater. So so congratulations to her, but
Speaker 1: it also she maybe still be undecided.
Speaker 2: Do you think if they did another Vanderpump Rules, they
Speaker 2: say Okay, we're gonna do it again, would you think
Speaker 2: that it would be beneficial to the show for her
Speaker 2: to come back and for her Like, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Well, I think I've gotten to the point after watching
Speaker 1: this season. I don't believe there will be Nor do
Speaker 1: I think I need to see any sort of reconciliation
Speaker 1: between her and Tom Sandoval.
Speaker 2: I don't think so either. I don't think I need
Speaker 2: a conversation. I'm actually over the situation at this point, Like,
Speaker 2: I just want to see them both move on, and
Speaker 2: if they're both indifferent to each other, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fine with that, but I also don't know
Speaker 1: where the show goes from. Like, was I riveted by
Speaker 1: the scenes with Arianna and Dan No? No, do I
Speaker 1: appreciate the friendship that Katie and Ariana have and that
Speaker 1: Katie also. I mean, here's the difference. The scene that
Speaker 1: Katie had with Joe. She fucking nailed it. Like, to me,
Speaker 1: she nailed it. Joe came over wanting to get in there, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Katie just she went to work. Yeah, like you
Speaker 1: don't talk to me, you don't deserve to be like
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. But they had that conversation.
Speaker 1: So to me, Katie's still putting in that work, and
Speaker 1: like you could see it in Schwartz's face, like he
Speaker 1: was like, shit, I was hoping this is going to
Speaker 1: go differently, Like he's like, I saw.
Speaker 2: That differently in my mind. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she's like, I have boundaries too, but her boundaries
Speaker 1: are still allowing her to create a little bit of
Speaker 1: drama and whatever.
Speaker 2: But we'll get more into it. I know we're obsessing.
Speaker 1: Michelle Lally speaks out about her politics on this page
Speaker 1: six post. The Valley Star tells page six Virtual Tea
Speaker 1: that she is not homophobic, despite speculation that she supported
Speaker 1: Florida's controversial Don't Say Gay bill, claim she doesn't follow
Speaker 1: politics and doesn't even know what exactly that bill is about.
Speaker 1: She states she is not homophobic and not racist, adding
Speaker 1: that the person that officiated her in Jesse's wedding, who
Speaker 1: happens to be one of their best friends, is gay.
Speaker 1: Do I think that she is homophobic or racist? No?
Speaker 1: Do I think she's a little bit of a sociopath allegedly?
Speaker 2: Yes? Is that a political group?
Speaker 3: We've got Republicans, Democrats, and sociopaths.
Speaker 2: Here we go. Vandr Pump Rules Season eleven, episode fifteen,
Speaker 2: It's Day two of San Francisco. Shina gets emotional thinking
Speaker 2: about her conversation with Sandoval last night. Rock argues that
Speaker 2: Sandoval has been the best friend to them out of
Speaker 2: everyone in the friend group. Sina doesn't agree with her husband.
Speaker 2: She says she will never turn her back on arianaw.
Speaker 1: Four hours she turns her back on Ariana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like, La, La, I got your back. You
Speaker 2: know what you just said.
Speaker 1: I agree, And like Sina being emotional, like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I really, I really am trying to wrap my head
Speaker 1: around what is upsetting her. Like I'm trying to like
Speaker 1: be is meta the word I'm trying to like take
Speaker 1: myself out. And what I feel like I'm seeing is
Speaker 1: Shina feels like if she loses Ariana or she loses Tom,
Speaker 1: she loses her place in this group because we know
Speaker 1: Katie and her ain't coming around tightness, Like there's just
Speaker 1: she feels like she has to be in the mix
Speaker 1: on both sides in order to keep this job.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, album now we're seeing it as a job
Speaker 2: to people. Well, I also think it's it's a concern
Speaker 2: for the public backlash, just like you know, I believe
Speaker 2: it was Lola that said in one of the after
Speaker 2: shows that she is very concerned with people and their comments,
Speaker 2: and she reads all the comments and she tries to
Speaker 2: gauge where the public's at. And I feel like, as
Speaker 2: a reality as someone on reality TV, when you start
Speaker 2: to do that, when you start to try to perceive
Speaker 2: what the audience is going to think, which way they're
Speaker 2: going to go, then that's a problem because you're not
Speaker 2: acting how you would normally act, your thinking first, and
Speaker 2: trying to act how you think you should act. And
Speaker 2: I think she's concerned with public backlash if she's not
Speaker 2: tight with Arianna.
Speaker 1: But I think this is where it's flawed for me.
Speaker 1: I think if she were at the beginning just to
Speaker 1: have a conversation with Ariana and be like, listen, I
Speaker 1: love you, but I'm at the point where I'm probably
Speaker 1: going to forgive Tom. Are we good with this? But
Speaker 1: the fact that she keeps needing to tell Ariana about
Speaker 1: all of her conversations with Tom, Yeah, it's like I've
Speaker 1: always like arian It's like I've already told you I
Speaker 1: don't need to be a part of it.
Speaker 2: But Arianna in this moment is very nice to her.
Speaker 1: She's like, you're not gonna lose me, I still love you,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But then they did flashbacks of all
Speaker 1: the times Arianna says that nobody can be friends with
Speaker 1: her that is friends with him. So clearly she has
Speaker 1: shifted in the last three six, whatever months it's been
Speaker 1: since this started.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, she did draw a line in the
Speaker 2: sand and made it very clear that she didn't have
Speaker 2: anything to do with anyone that was still friendly with Tom.
Speaker 1: And now she's saying, I will be still be your friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I agree, I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 2: That was far as as Sheena, and Sheena feeling the
Speaker 2: need to replay every conversation she has with Tom. It's
Speaker 2: too Arianna. It's like, you don't have to do that.
Speaker 2: You don't have to have to give her details of
Speaker 2: every conversation. Like I think it's, oh, it's her guilt.
Speaker 2: It's her guilt.
Speaker 1: Like I'm feeling guilty, and I feel like if I
Speaker 1: tell Arianna and she tells me that it's okay, then
Speaker 1: it is okay. And we're all just here trying to
Speaker 1: get through this. But before we even get more to that,
Speaker 1: the whole group excluding Sandoval, goes to Chinatown for lunch.
Speaker 1: La La is interrogating Dan at this point, but he's
Speaker 1: handling it well. He doesn't seem like much phases him.
Speaker 1: Other people ask him questions as well, and he gives
Speaker 1: a very sweet answer to what first attracted him to Ariana.
Speaker 1: Ariana gives a sweet answer back to what attraction to Dan,
Speaker 1: And then when Ghena and Shorts talk about Sandoval, Arion
Speaker 1: isn't having it and Katie doesn't understand why anyone would
Speaker 1: stick up for him. Dan, in a shocking turn of events,
Speaker 1: does not feel.
Speaker 2: Like he wants to be on this television show.
Speaker 1: No, like I feel like he's just like I'm here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I don't you know, I don't feel
Speaker 2: a chemistry between the two of them, But again, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it has to do with chemistry because
Speaker 2: he just isn't interested in filming. And I do understand that.
Speaker 2: I gain that. I dealt with that for two years
Speaker 2: with Shane. I had to listen to thousands of people
Speaker 2: tell me that my husband wasn't into me. And really
Speaker 2: it wasn't that he wasn't into me. He wasn't into filming.
Speaker 2: Like he's not, he's not interested, he doesn't he doesn't
Speaker 2: need the spotlight, he doesn't need followers, he doesn't care.
Speaker 2: So that indifference, you know, can translate as an indifference
Speaker 2: towards me or towards Arianna. But I mean, knowing that
Speaker 2: they're still together, clearly there is some chemistry. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's just he's not interested in being on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: And also I think he's not interested in fighting. And
Speaker 1: if Arianna is saying I'm not speaking to Tom, I
Speaker 1: don't think Dan feels the need. It's not like Dan
Speaker 1: and him were great friends. Dan doesn't know him, so
Speaker 1: like what is other than Dan just you know, being
Speaker 1: a kind of respectable human being to him, and like
Speaker 1: that's all you really need. And but I mean, Laala
Speaker 1: was definitely asking the question. She's like, so, how old
Speaker 1: are you? You're forty, you've never been married, you're a
Speaker 1: personal trainer, and then you barton on weekends? What are
Speaker 1: you looking to make personal training a bigger thing? And
Speaker 1: then or what about this? What about I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I respect the questions though I'm a
Speaker 1: big question ask her.
Speaker 2: So I respect that Lala, thank you for asking all
Speaker 2: the questions that I would ask.
Speaker 1: But did you notice that we didn't really get any answers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: the editing or what, but I feel like it showed
Speaker 2: a lot of Lala asking the questions and then Dan's
Speaker 2: answers were very yes, no, maybe yes, Like I don't
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I didn't learn a bunch about that.
Speaker 2: I didn't either, But I don't know if he elaborated more,
Speaker 2: but they edited to just make it short answers. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I didn't feel like there was any
Speaker 2: emotion in any of his responses. I felt like he
Speaker 2: just felt like he was going through the motions to
Speaker 2: get through this, like yeah, when are we done with this?
Speaker 1: Like okay, I showed up. Let's move it or lose it.
Speaker 1: Right then we're back at the hotel and I had
Speaker 1: a jump scare because I did not know that Joe
Speaker 1: was going.
Speaker 2: To be there. I didn't either. I was like, where
Speaker 2: did she come from? Like did she just she just
Speaker 2: popped in?
Speaker 1: And is she in shorts room? Or is like and
Speaker 1: then when watching them iron and like awkwardly was that flirting?
Speaker 2: I I don't know what Joe. I don't a lot
Speaker 2: of her actions I feel like are just a little off.
Speaker 1: But then he's like, Joseph make up, and then he's
Speaker 1: like it's like when a little kid like grabs their
Speaker 1: mommy's makeup and puts lipstick on, And all I can
Speaker 1: think is, like, Joseph, he's not your person. If he's
Speaker 1: gonna talk to you like that, it's just and now
Speaker 1: you're this is what is making me feel like Schwartz
Speaker 1: is being a touch of like a vagin, Like if.
Speaker 2: You're not inder her, don't invite her to this thing.
Speaker 1: You know she's gonna cry and get upset when the
Speaker 1: girls treat or shitty.
Speaker 2: You're not putting her in a situation to shine.
Speaker 1: You're also now instead of telling her she looks beautiful
Speaker 1: and wow, like you made such an effort, your makeup
Speaker 1: looks great, You've now made her feel awkward because of it,
Speaker 1: Like why why is she here? Do you think he
Speaker 1: invited her to come?
Speaker 2: Or was it it's because it's a finale so production
Speaker 2: was like, hey, we got to get you in there
Speaker 2: a little bit at the end to wrap up this.
Speaker 1: Still, you have to remember this is out of Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: Like I need to know if she paid her own
Speaker 1: way to get there, or if production was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, No, we're going to pay her a day
Speaker 1: rate and we're going to fly her there and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get her glam because I don't think so.
Speaker 2: See, my guess would be they flew her there, they
Speaker 2: paid her a day rate, and they wanted her there
Speaker 2: and just a little bit at the end, just to
Speaker 2: wrap up that storyline, because that's what they want to
Speaker 2: do in a finale. If Joe's not there, then it's like, well,
Speaker 2: what happened to Joe? What's going on? So I feel
Speaker 2: like they just needed her to get that, just that
Speaker 2: little bit of story. But it's like she popped in,
Speaker 2: like she just beamed there. Yeah, okay, we're back at
Speaker 2: the hotel. Shorts visit Sandoval in his room next and
Speaker 2: gives a quick recap of the day, adding that he
Speaker 2: really likes Dan. Lisa facetimes Shena as she's getting ready
Speaker 2: for tonight, and Sena admits that she still loves Sandoval.
Speaker 2: La La tells Katie that Sheena is under a lot
Speaker 2: of pressure. She needs to know Arianna will still be
Speaker 2: her friend if she remains friends with Sandoval too. Katie
Speaker 2: doesn't think Sheena deserves to be the exception to Arianna's rule,
Speaker 2: Sandoval wants the tention to dissipate, so he's willing to
Speaker 2: apologize to Ariana. So that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: Sandival essentially was like, I know this is a finale,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to create my perfect finale moment, like
Speaker 1: I am going for it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was so awkward though. I was like, don't do it,
Speaker 2: don't do it. Did you want it to? Like did
Speaker 2: weren't you just like what I was watching it? I
Speaker 2: was like stop, no, no, no, don't do it, no
Speaker 2: walk away.
Speaker 1: But also did you see how messy his hotel room was?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it was gross.
Speaker 1: So much food everywhere and like so much junk.
Speaker 2: See. And we've been blaming Ariana this whole time, calling
Speaker 2: her a hoarder, and maybe maybe it's her and Tom,
Speaker 2: Like maybe that's why the house is always the disaster.
Speaker 2: It's both of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I need to know did they always live
Speaker 1: in this kind of chaos or is this just, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a post breakup chaos post breakup,
Speaker 1: like you can't even call downstairs at the hotel and
Speaker 1: ask them to pick up your breakfast, lunch, dinner for
Speaker 1: the last three days.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then everyone starts to arrive to Kyle Chan's party. Sand
Speaker 1: of all paid for the sound engineer for his band
Speaker 1: to come up here and help with sheena set. These
Speaker 1: gestures mean a lot to her. Sheena is nervous for
Speaker 1: her performance. She's never done something like this. We get
Speaker 1: a flashback to twenty thirteen of her singing on top
Speaker 1: of a bar. At this point, this may they may
Speaker 1: have just well made an announcement that this show is
Speaker 1: the reboot all around Kyle Chan like this to the
Speaker 1: Kyle Chan Show.
Speaker 2: It's the Kyle Chan Show. Yes, I actually love Sheena's
Speaker 2: song though, no love it. It's a banger man. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'm going to download this. This is good.
Speaker 2: We should be a real to it. Don't act like
Speaker 2: you know how to download music, You're so full of shit.
Speaker 2: I don't. But what I meant by download is I'm
Speaker 2: going to try to find it on Instagram somewhere in
Speaker 2: a reel somewhere.
Speaker 1: Then James brings Ali outside to watch the sunset. He
Speaker 1: clarifies that Ali will always be his priority. She says
Speaker 1: she's not ready for marriage yet, but when she is,
Speaker 1: she wants it with James James gets emotional because his
Speaker 1: life hasn't gone to plan, but he wouldn't change anything.
Speaker 1: This was very like Paige and Craig from Summerhouse, like
Speaker 1: they just had this moment and it really shows the difference,
Speaker 1: and you know, just different mindsets, like listen, I love you.
Speaker 1: The plan is right now that yeah, you're going to
Speaker 1: be the one. But Ali is significantly younger than j James.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, I mean, even though she's younger, she
Speaker 2: seems very mature though. I mean for her to say
Speaker 2: I don't want to jump into anything, I don't want to,
Speaker 2: you know, talk about marriage right now. I don't know
Speaker 2: about kids right now. I feel like that's actually a
Speaker 2: mature move on her part.
Speaker 1: It is a very mature move because they have had
Speaker 1: a surprisingly perfect edit this season. So I always worry
Speaker 1: that whenever a couple has a perfect edit that it's
Speaker 1: gonna get trickier. They normally don't just want to show
Speaker 1: bliss all of the time. Exactly like her, even saying
Speaker 1: she missed hippie all this stuff. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well guess what, We're back to Joe.
Speaker 2: We're back to Joe.
Speaker 1: Joe and her confessional, she clearly states she would have
Speaker 1: liked her in Shorts to become a couple. Joe follows
Speaker 1: Ali and Shortz into the lions Den, and maybe she
Speaker 1: should have thought out this apology first, Like she gives
Speaker 1: a half apology to Katie, who then essentially Katie's like,
Speaker 1: that's you're weird. You're maybe gonna apologize, like you're just weird,
Speaker 1: And then things are starting to heat up and you
Speaker 1: can see like the death in Katie's eyes, Like and
Speaker 1: Joe's apologies she checked to Katie right after the divorce
Speaker 1: meant nothing because she moved in with Shorts right after.
Speaker 1: I mean, I enjoyed Katie in this moment, because like,
Speaker 1: what does Katie owe Joe?
Speaker 2: What when Joe says, do you do you think you
Speaker 2: should apologize now? Or whatever however she said it? What
Speaker 2: apology was she looking for from Katie? Did she tweet
Speaker 2: something about her calling her a crackhead?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Should you apologize for calling someone a crackhead?
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're not a crackhead, then I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that this is a joke, Like she
Speaker 1: doesn't clearly thinks that she's actually a crackhead. But I
Speaker 1: don't the fact that she thought she was gonna walk
Speaker 1: over there not apologize and get an apology is obscene.
Speaker 2: Like if she.
Speaker 1: Could have just walked over there and been like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know, it's awkward that i'm here, and I'm really
Speaker 1: sorry for the way I handle things. I probably should
Speaker 1: have never even messaged you like it just it was
Speaker 1: messy and gross and like I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that's where she went wrong. I
Speaker 2: don't think her relationship with Shorts she has to apologize
Speaker 2: for or anything like that, but I do think the
Speaker 2: apology is messy because of the message. She's Syndicateie trying
Speaker 2: to convey that she was somehow a girl's girl and
Speaker 2: that she had her interests at heart. Meanwhile, she's evolved
Speaker 2: with Shorts and living with him, et cetera. She should
Speaker 2: have just left the message out. Yeah, you can't be
Speaker 2: with someone's ex and try to be friendly with the
Speaker 2: ex wife. It doesn't work, like pick aside and just
Speaker 2: go that way.
Speaker 1: But also, this is where I'm a little bit confused
Speaker 1: in regards to Schwartz, because he's down just gotten in
Speaker 1: pretty good with Arianna and Katie and now he wants
Speaker 1: to throw this into the mix. But in the worst
Speaker 1: possible way.
Speaker 2: Why you mean him just kind of walking Joe over
Speaker 2: there like here we go, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like and half apologize and don't even like he's not
Speaker 1: like he was standing up for her even making it
Speaker 1: better or just like, hey, guys, Joe's part of this
Speaker 1: friend group, liked.
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted Katie in that moment to tell
Speaker 2: Joe that Schwortz asked her to have like a one
Speaker 2: night stamp with her him.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was a missed opportunity, right, the real missed opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I I mean, she was just going at
Speaker 2: her heart, so why not just like just get in
Speaker 2: there and just finish it. Then, h Sena's dress breaks,
Speaker 2: du dah.
Speaker 1: Like Sena's dress breaks, which I thought was gonna be
Speaker 1: a pretty big deal until I realized that's not the
Speaker 1: dress she was gonna wear on stage. So that was
Speaker 1: the pre dress, like she could have easily just you know,
Speaker 1: thrown on the other dressed a little early.
Speaker 2: But then Brock is running around trying to find.
Speaker 1: Her for a coat. But then did you this part
Speaker 1: made me? I saw this actually on somebody else's Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I had already thought it, and then I saw
Speaker 1: it on a daily dose of Donna's Instagram. But it's
Speaker 1: she zooms and on Brock's dance moves when he's just
Speaker 1: like going at it, like when Sheen's looking for him
Speaker 1: and he is like in the gold suit and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: I was really hoping that wasn't Brock, like I was
Speaker 1: hoping I was the friend of like the drunk guy
Speaker 1: who kept trying to dance with Laala in them.
Speaker 2: Like what what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Oh my gosh. Our producer just
Speaker 1: said I find Brock very attractive.
Speaker 2: I do too. I agree, I know, but I don't
Speaker 2: like I like.
Speaker 1: No, no, Like I had a real issue with like
Speaker 1: Jackx's pants last night, Like I don't like when like
Speaker 1: guys were tight pants like that. It's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a no for me.
Speaker 2: And wait, so you did not like Brock's gold suit?
Speaker 1: No, I would like you can see the guy's ankles, no, Like,
Speaker 1: I really, I don't want to see the gold pants.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the ankles. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see the bulge.
Speaker 2: You don't want to see the bolts. So maybe you
Speaker 2: just don't like brock style. I think so, I I.
Speaker 1: Think I don't love his style or his like heeled boots.
Speaker 1: I think Brock and just like a head confessional is
Speaker 1: like can be funny and charming and but like he's
Speaker 1: he's not my like type. I've never been with a
Speaker 1: Brock type. You're not a cheat a speedo type. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not a cheat a speedo type.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Shane and a cheet of spido?
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, Edwin made me tell him last night
Speaker 1: when we were watching Watch What Happens Live because I
Speaker 1: was making him watch with me. He was like, so,
Speaker 1: who's hotter to you? Jack's or Sandoval? And I was like,
Speaker 1: hotter in what way? And He's like hotter, like you'd
Speaker 1: have to hook up with one of them? And I
Speaker 1: was like, is this a lose lose answer. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: you just have to answer it. And I had to
Speaker 1: say Sandoval.
Speaker 2: I would say Sandoval too, Yeah, okay, I mean if
Speaker 2: I had to pick yeah, right, Like JACKX just seems
Speaker 2: like he always seems we masty, Like he always seems sweaty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he always seems sweaty and stressed and like,
Speaker 1: but I'm so confused what he stressed about. But then
Speaker 1: we get to Sena crying and her confessional again saying
Speaker 1: things with Sandoval aren't so black and white. Then Sandoval
Speaker 1: introducing himself to Dan. This was pretty amazing because they
Speaker 1: had already like the hands were already like Arianna and
Speaker 1: Dan were I guess sharing a group text like they
Speaker 1: were together texting.
Speaker 2: So Dan wasn't on a to lift his.
Speaker 1: Hand up shake his hand, but they had already said
Speaker 1: in the introduction like that. He would not shake his hand,
Speaker 1: but I thought he was plenty pleasant enough. He was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know if there had to
Speaker 2: be an introduction, but I feel like Tom was going
Speaker 2: out of his way to try to, you know, make
Speaker 2: amends or at least look like a good guy in
Speaker 2: the finale, So he goes up and introduces himself. But
Speaker 2: I mean Dan handled it well. He wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a lot of emotion anyway. We saw
Speaker 2: him at the at lunch. He didn't answering questions from
Speaker 2: La Law. He didn't have much emotion, so you know,
Speaker 2: I think he was civil.
Speaker 1: Well, I learned about a term. It's called a gray rock,
Speaker 1: and a gray rock is how you're supposed to behave
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with narcissists, and I think Dan has
Speaker 1: studied this method and his goal was I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a gray Rock this entire episode.
Speaker 2: So do you think Dan is the one that taught
Speaker 2: Arianna about the gray Rock? Possibly because she doesn't mention
Speaker 2: it in her confessionals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think Dan, whether she taught him or
Speaker 1: he taught her. I think they are going like there
Speaker 1: was never going to be a moment like we saw
Speaker 1: the one time Ariana kind of lost it at the
Speaker 1: beach that one day I kind of talk to him,
Speaker 1: But other than that, she hasn't okay.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you a question, though, if you're
Speaker 2: on a reality TV show, is going into like a
Speaker 2: gray Rock mentality a good idea?
Speaker 1: No, not unless one of the person is people are
Speaker 1: going to get booted. But most of the time what
Speaker 1: happens is there will be a choice that will be made.
Speaker 1: So let's say I think they wanted one year to
Speaker 1: play this to play out going into next season. If
Speaker 1: next season is going to happen, I do think if
Speaker 1: it's coming back with this cast, for the most part,
Speaker 1: it will be Ariana or Tom. I do not think
Speaker 1: it'll be both of them because I don't think there's
Speaker 1: one person watching this show that cares about those two
Speaker 1: having a reconciliation. No, I an, I don't care. I
Speaker 1: don't care.
Speaker 2: Which one would you pick? If you're a producer, which
Speaker 2: one would you go with?
Speaker 1: I think Arianna has more ability to get other types
Speaker 1: of shows, especially if she's a good actress and on Chicago, like,
Speaker 1: I think she has a really the opportunity for her
Speaker 1: to really grow as a human being, is there she
Speaker 1: had like when this all happened, especially because they've talked
Speaker 1: about her mental health issues in the past. When this
Speaker 1: all happened, she could have gone into a very dark place,
Speaker 1: kind of disappeared, not you know, and really fallen into
Speaker 1: a deep depression. And instead she turned that negativity into booking,
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, every commercial, even bringing her friends
Speaker 1: in on her commercials, promoting Good as Gold, like every
Speaker 1: single one of those things like brought It Together, Chicago,
Speaker 1: you name it. She's capitalizing on what happened and building herself.
Speaker 1: So whether I think I loved her this entire season,
Speaker 1: I didn't because it didn't give us the best TV.
Speaker 1: But I think her future is bigger than the show.
Speaker 2: At this point. Yeah, I would agree with that because
Speaker 2: if I had to pick, if VPR is going to continue,
Speaker 2: and I had to pick one or the other, I
Speaker 2: would pick Tom. I mean, he still has connections with
Speaker 2: people on this cast. He and Sheena seem to be
Speaker 2: in a good place. They can go forward. La La
Speaker 2: seems to be good with him. Clearly, he and Tom
Speaker 2: are still friends. He and James, I don't know where
Speaker 2: they're at after the reunion, but I mean, at least
Speaker 2: by the finale, they seem to be in a good place,
Speaker 2: so I feel like he can continue on on this
Speaker 2: show with those people. I don't know about Ariana though
Speaker 2: she doesn't seem connected to any of them at this point.
Speaker 1: And then I mean for Katie, because I do think
Speaker 1: Katie is that like voice that we need on the show,
Speaker 1: especially now that we see her utilizing her. But I
Speaker 1: don't know that she is doing that show without Ariana,
Speaker 1: and what does that mean about something about her?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they have a spin off with
Speaker 2: the two of them and they're They're Sandwich Shop. Okay,
Speaker 2: this just in.
Speaker 1: I've gotten a text back from a from a source
Speaker 1: close to the show, just Teddy Walters, and this is
Speaker 1: what it says. Non primary cast members usually get a
Speaker 1: flat rate for season. No clue how much that is for. Also,
Speaker 1: I know that production paid for the rooms, but I
Speaker 1: am not sure about a non primary cast members travel travel.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense, So that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So a Rock or a Joe or whomever else came
Speaker 1: and did whatever. They've got their rooms paid for, they
Speaker 1: got a flat rate for the season, which I doubt
Speaker 1: is exorbitant, and we go on from there.
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess they paid for her to travel.
Speaker 1: We've gotten conflicting sources from conflicting info from two different sources,
Speaker 1: So this is pretty juicy. I mean, and I kind
Speaker 1: of trust what both sources have alleged, but maybe that
Speaker 1: one of the sources didn't know if this person was
Speaker 1: paid as a non primary cast member. But long story short,
Speaker 1: we've got a couple of sources letting us know most
Speaker 1: likely she didn't get paid to be there.
Speaker 2: It's time for Shena's performance. She performs Apples first, and
Speaker 2: everyone loves it, even Standibal. When she performs Good as Gold,
Speaker 2: everyone goes crazy. Brock even goes on stage and puts
Speaker 2: the guitars on his shoulders. Sena asked the twenty sevens
Speaker 2: if she's in their band, to which they say yes.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed her performance. I thought she was great. I
Speaker 2: thought it was fun.
Speaker 1: I thought it was fun. I thought she was happy.
Speaker 1: I thought the band was excited to have like their
Speaker 1: you know, like this is this could be something big
Speaker 1: for them. And a lot of people watched that that
Speaker 1: show and it was good and it was a banger
Speaker 1: and it was fun and you did legitimately see Tom
Speaker 1: look proud of her. But know who else looked proud
Speaker 1: of her? Ariana? Yeah, like in that moment where we're
Speaker 1: all trying to see Ariana is only caring about herself.
Speaker 1: Shed No, that's not how it appeared. Why she was watching,
Speaker 1: She not on stage. It didn't look like she was
Speaker 1: mocking her. She's excited. She grabbed the little too too
Speaker 1: and put it on herself like she was in it.
Speaker 1: So whether they want to say she's not in it
Speaker 1: to support people, she was there and she could have
Speaker 1: been at Applebee's earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why what was the Applebee's reference.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's because they were building the Applebee's Martini's.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted to plug Applebee's like that was
Speaker 1: probably already in the works.
Speaker 2: I thought it was Chili's.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, it was Chili's.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's Appleby's pretty much.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, if you had Chilis, I
Speaker 1: love that. I just confused the two is the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Applebee's Chili's, you know. But then this is where it
Speaker 1: gets dicey. Arianna doesn't even so, so sheena once again
Speaker 1: like she's just now had this great moment. She finds
Speaker 1: out she's in the band of course, yeah, and reality
Speaker 1: television world. Now She's like, now's when I should go
Speaker 1: and fuck everything up and talk to Arianna about some
Speaker 1: of the growth I've seen in Tom, like you know,
Speaker 1: and like, I appreciate what you're trying to do, Sena,
Speaker 1: but this is not the way.
Speaker 2: Quit making it about you. But I do think.
Speaker 1: Arianna in this moment is very clear. She's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to breathe the same air as him. I'm
Speaker 1: fine if you want to be friends with him. I
Speaker 1: do not need an apology from him. I am done,
Speaker 1: Arianna says, sure she and she will never lose her.
Speaker 1: They kiss and riat her at how much they love
Speaker 1: each other, but then.
Speaker 4: Up king no, no, like and also did you hear
Speaker 4: her go, I guess we can't kiss anymore now that
Speaker 4: Brock said we can't kiss anymore or something.
Speaker 2: I did hear that, and I was like, huh. I
Speaker 2: was like, did I catch that? Is he is that
Speaker 2: that's a no? No? Huh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean if I was, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't wan would be cool if I was like kissing.
Speaker 2: You, well, I feel like it's it depends on the
Speaker 2: type of kiss, Like is it just like a quick,
Speaker 2: like funny between girls kiss or are we making out
Speaker 2: with tongue like, I mean, there's a difference.
Speaker 1: I'm not a well, I'm not a hugger or a
Speaker 1: lip kisser to really anyone like i'll kiss on the
Speaker 1: cheek or like other than my husband. Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: one of those people that's like so good to see you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: It's not so that would be completely out of character
Speaker 1: for me, right, except when you have those awkward times,
Speaker 1: you know, when you like go in and you think
Speaker 1: that somebody's trying to kiss you on this cheek but
Speaker 1: it's only here, and then all of a sudden you're.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, that happens to me a lot, because
Speaker 2: she like all of Shane's family are Persian and they
Speaker 2: do the I never know what to do. I'm always like,
Speaker 2: I don't know where to go. I just put my
Speaker 2: hand down. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: But then Ariana walks up to Jeremiah, who's the executive
Speaker 1: producer on the show. I used to work with Jeremiah
Speaker 1: at one of the talent agencies. So every time I
Speaker 1: see him, my laugh and we hear her say it's
Speaker 1: not happening. As he tries convincing her not to do this,
Speaker 1: she tells him fucking walking up on me talking to Shina,
Speaker 1: he didn't give a fuck if I fucking died in
Speaker 1: a ditch or got fucking deadly sdds. The way he
Speaker 1: was fucking around me behind my back, that is non
Speaker 1: informed consent and he does not deserve to speak to me.
Speaker 1: The EP is begging arian And not to end it
Speaker 1: like this, and she tells him it's about a performance
Speaker 1: for the audience. He wants thirty seconds with the audience.
Speaker 1: She calls a lift and leaves the party. Jeremiah, you
Speaker 1: might want to turn your comments off for a while,
Speaker 1: because I know these fans are gonna find you.
Speaker 2: It's gonna give me a lot okay. I feel like
Speaker 2: there's a lot to unpack here. I did you okay.
Speaker 2: As a producer, your job is to make the best
Speaker 2: show possible, and a lot of times you need to
Speaker 2: wrap things up in a finale. And I understand that
Speaker 2: you need these conversations. You need this, you need a resolution.
Speaker 2: We need to wrap it up. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if someone said to Tom, hey, you need to go
Speaker 2: over there to Ariana and try to have a conversation
Speaker 2: with her, that had to have happened. I agree, especially
Speaker 2: because she's talking to Sheena. It was an awkward moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know why he would choose to do it then.
Speaker 2: To me, it feels like someone went up to him
Speaker 2: and said, Okay, the night's almost over, everything's whining down,
Speaker 2: Yet you have to do it now. So he does
Speaker 2: the you know, awkward walk up. She loses her mind.
Speaker 2: I guess my question is, in this circumstance, do you
Speaker 2: think she should have just had the conversation because that's
Speaker 2: her job and that's what she's getting paid to do.
Speaker 2: Or is it okay that she left and started yelling
Speaker 2: at production saying this isn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the point, I think if she
Speaker 1: is done with this show, she made her point, I think,
Speaker 1: but where because I can't help but go back and
Speaker 1: forth on things that they also said, because she does that.
Speaker 1: And then Sandoval is fuming once he hears Ariana is
Speaker 1: calling him performative. Santoval tells Billy that she's unwill willing
Speaker 1: to film with her act she shouldn't be doing this show.
Speaker 1: Sandaval storms up to the rest of the cast, yelling,
Speaker 1: I'm pissed that she's fucking saying that shit, because Ariana
Speaker 1: she doesn't fuck with you guys. She's fucking talking shit
Speaker 1: about all you fuck her. She doesn't show up for shit.
Speaker 1: She's not gonna come to your fucking thing. I am.
Speaker 1: She yells back and tells him that she knows and
Speaker 1: that's why it's been so hard for her. And then
Speaker 1: on Watch What Happens Live, Tom said he was exaggerating
Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment and didn't have any
Speaker 1: real receipts of Ariana talking shit, but something he did
Speaker 1: say was something she did say. And then he said
Speaker 1: that this is too conflicting the information. She said he
Speaker 1: has never once reached out to me to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Off television, and he is saying, I have tried numerous
Speaker 1: times and she has never been responsive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who do you believe in this point? Because I
Speaker 2: watched it too about the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of believe he probably sent her
Speaker 1: some stupid ass text and she's like, fuck you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's where I'm at. I feel like
Speaker 2: he probably did reach out, Maybe he did make an effort,
Speaker 2: but the way her mindset is and the way that
Speaker 2: she's acted all season, there's no way that she would
Speaker 2: have accepted anything. So her saying he could have written
Speaker 2: me a letter. He could have written me a six
Speaker 2: page letter, and I would have read it. No, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have. You wouldn't have read it. You would have
Speaker 2: ripped that You would have ripped that shit up into
Speaker 2: a million pieces and thrown it all over the floor.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have read it. And good for.
Speaker 1: Her if you're not on a reality show, so good
Speaker 1: for her. Like I would love to be able to
Speaker 1: have that strength. Unfortunately I'd be the one that would
Speaker 1: like rip it up and then pull it out of
Speaker 1: the tape it back together, have to tape it back
Speaker 1: together and try to decipher what that chicken scratch handwriting.
Speaker 1: He used it from his journal from Rachel. But then
Speaker 1: it kind of keeps going because then Lala's has to says,
Speaker 1: you know, i haven't wanted to break the fourth wall,
Speaker 1: but I'm deciding to do it now. She yells about everything,
Speaker 1: rallying behind Arianna to the point where she thinks she's Beyonce.
Speaker 1: It's bullshit that Arianna can't film with Sandoval, yet she's
Speaker 1: sleeping down the hall from him. She understands he did
Speaker 1: a really shitty thing, but he did not kill someone.
Speaker 1: She reminds everyone that Ariana moved on eight days later.
Speaker 1: Sheina openly agrees with everything Lala saying and Lala's confessional.
Speaker 1: She says she loves filming the show because it's real
Speaker 1: and finds it to be healing. She thinks it's such
Speaker 1: a slap in the face that Ariana left like this,
Speaker 1: because this is what they do and have done for
Speaker 1: most of their lives. On the after show, Arianna said,
Speaker 1: if you think I'm doing a bad job as a
Speaker 1: reality star, I was Reality Star of the Year, so
Speaker 1: maybe I know what I'm doing. But this is what
Speaker 1: I want to talk about.
Speaker 2: Okay, All that aside.
Speaker 1: Last season, Lala was adamant that Schwartz couldn't play pickleball
Speaker 1: with Randall. She said he had to pick a side.
Speaker 1: Now does that matter that Randall wasn't a cast member?
Speaker 1: Is it different because we followed Tom and Arianna for
Speaker 1: ten years on the show, or do you think Lala
Speaker 1: is being hypocritical?
Speaker 2: I think there's a difference. I think you can differentiate
Speaker 2: the two. Randall's not a cast member, and she moved
Speaker 2: out of that house, and she moved out of the house,
Speaker 2: she removed herself. She wasn't involved. He's not a cast member.
Speaker 2: He's not getting paid to be on the show. I
Speaker 2: think he won't even be on the show, right, I
Speaker 2: think is not even allowed to be on the show.
Speaker 2: It's a completely different set of circumstances.
Speaker 1: But I feel like Lala is going to get a
Speaker 1: lot of shit for this because people can't see that
Speaker 1: breaking the fourth wall aspect.
Speaker 2: But like that, there is a.
Speaker 1: Big part of it, like Randal. Once she left Randal,
Speaker 1: like we saw those videos, like we saw her like
Speaker 1: two best friends going with her getting ocean, she was
Speaker 1: in a hotel, like she was done, completely moved out,
Speaker 1: she was blindsided, she left it. It did not carry
Speaker 1: on into another season of her and Randall fighting and
Speaker 1: trying to get back together, try.
Speaker 2: None of it.
Speaker 1: It was done right, So her boundaries were done off
Speaker 1: the show. If you choose to be paid to be
Speaker 1: on the show, are you required to bend your boundaries?
Speaker 2: I agree? I agree. I mean I kind of when
Speaker 2: Lala said all that she said, I agreed with what
Speaker 2: she was saying. I mean, I might get backlash for that,
Speaker 2: but don't. I thought everything she said was profound and
Speaker 2: had a lot of weight to it. Well.
Speaker 1: I think also the part that they're not all saying,
Speaker 1: but they are all saying, is they're all fucked. If
Speaker 1: this show does, it goes away. So they're all doing
Speaker 1: the most that they can to keep this show going.
Speaker 1: There's only one person really on this show that is
Speaker 1: going to at this point really skyrocket away from it,
Speaker 1: and they're going to be annoyed by that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Does that make it right? No? Does it make it
Speaker 1: feel like that they're you know, they've lost some of
Speaker 1: their empathy to what has happened to Ariana. Yes, but
Speaker 1: I think that's the end thing is like this is
Speaker 1: a job that they've had for whatever over ten years,
Speaker 1: and they want to secure that bag. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, but Ari, I think, like you said earlier,
Speaker 2: she's in a different spot. She has so many opportunities
Speaker 2: now that she's not as invested in this show anymore,
Speaker 2: and that has to be irritating for people that are
Speaker 2: invested in it, that is their thing and their bread
Speaker 2: and butter. Then they're going to be irritated and frustrated
Speaker 2: by someone who doesn't share that same amount of you
Speaker 2: know what I'm trying to say, like, isn't as invested
Speaker 2: fully as they are because they have other things going
Speaker 2: on that are paid well or whatever. She has this
Speaker 2: rise up above, But I mean that has to be
Speaker 2: frustrating for them. And I think Laala was just had it.
Speaker 2: And then I think Sheena agreed with everything Laala said
Speaker 2: because these are probably things that she'd want she'd been
Speaker 2: thinking for an entire season, but she never had the
Speaker 2: guts to say it.
Speaker 1: So she's been just wishy washing.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's been trying to like, yeah, she's trying to
Speaker 2: play both sides and not you know, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden she's like, yes, what she said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think there are also is a
Speaker 1: point to be made that Arianna is the one who
Speaker 1: called production to pick cameras back up when Sandoval went down,
Speaker 1: so she wanted all of that filmed, and Tom and
Speaker 1: Rachel agreed to film. So you get why she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to interact with Tom and don't think he should
Speaker 1: get redemption. But you got to see both sides of this.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me here's my other thought on this. I
Speaker 2: understand that what happened to Arianna is very deep for her,
Speaker 2: but when it comes to everyone else, I understand that
Speaker 2: in the moment when they learned about it, it was deep.
Speaker 2: It was frustrating it when they were angry, they were mad.
Speaker 2: But when you're not in it, I feel like as
Speaker 2: time goes on, you move away from it, you're not
Speaker 2: as heavily invested anymore.
Speaker 1: Especially when like you have to also think like Lala
Speaker 1: and randall have kids together, they have a daughter together.
Speaker 1: They you know, regardless of how many years or how
Speaker 1: each relationship started, which I think both relationships allegedly started
Speaker 1: with cheating. There's no like who's right and who's wrong
Speaker 1: in this situation, but it is definitely more stressful to
Speaker 1: have a breakup with somebody who's cheated on you allegedly
Speaker 1: when there is a child involve and then you have
Speaker 1: to share custody of a child, not a pet, with
Speaker 1: another human being. So I just think there has to
Speaker 1: at least be that like point of view as well,
Speaker 1: Like that is that's major. Then they show all the
Speaker 1: flashbacks of everybody throughout the years, and the producer announces
Speaker 1: that's the end, and then Schortz calls. Schortz is like, well,
Speaker 1: that was a fucking flot twist, and Sandoval says he
Speaker 1: loves it because it was good for him. But then
Speaker 1: on Watch What Happens Life, he said he meant it
Speaker 1: was good for him because what he did is his
Speaker 1: job that came together. He felt good he at least
Speaker 1: showed up and did his job.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's what he really meant when he
Speaker 2: said it's good for him?
Speaker 1: Oh? I was like, listen, Tom, it actually was good
Speaker 1: for you until they kept that last line in and then.
Speaker 2: You can't say it's good for you. You have to
Speaker 2: just keep your mouth shut. At that point, you just
Speaker 2: have to let it play out on its out. You can't.
Speaker 2: You can't re like verbally recap your own reality show.
Speaker 1: I can't. Wow, we really nailed it this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that was awesome of me. Did you see
Speaker 2: how good I looked?
Speaker 1: I loo was beautiful?
Speaker 2: Yeah you did?
Speaker 1: So you think you look beautiful?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1: Gosh, let's take a quick break and we'll come back
Speaker 1: to talk about the Valley. So here we are. We
Speaker 1: are back Talk Valley Season one, episode eight recap starts
Speaker 1: out where once again, Jack seems pissed at Brittany.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's permanently pissed.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like this episode name should just be
Speaker 1: Jack's is always pissed at Brittany.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just wakes up and he's pissed.
Speaker 1: Wakes and pissed. Brittany's talking to her mom, saying now
Speaker 1: she and Jack's are unsure about having a baby number two.
Speaker 1: Her mom things opening a bar is a bad idea.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be mean, but at some point
Speaker 1: during this conversation, I was like, I should have put
Speaker 1: my subtitles song because I'm having all the time what
Speaker 1: they're saying I did.
Speaker 2: I missed some of that conversation too, I was like,
Speaker 2: what did her mom? What is she just that? What?
Speaker 1: Man? Let's go with south And I'm not on I mean,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like her mom is you know,
Speaker 1: pretty accurate. But this leads me to another question. If
Speaker 1: you are having problems with your significant other, who is
Speaker 1: the person you go to to talk about it with?
Speaker 1: Is Like, would it be a parent or does Shane
Speaker 1: talk to his parent?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Or is it a friend or do you just keep
Speaker 1: it on the cusps? Like what do you do?
Speaker 2: Well? For me, it would be my sister. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't really have a close relationship with my parents,
Speaker 2: so that's a that doesn't happen. But I have one
Speaker 2: sister and we do talk all the time, so it.
Speaker 1: Would probably be her. Do you think then that makes
Speaker 1: her judge Shane for stuff when you've moven. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel weird about sharing too much stuff because then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna have to I'm super annoyed right now,
Speaker 1: but most likely I'm gonna get over it. It's not that
Speaker 1: big of a deal.
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I think. I think if you share
Speaker 2: about your significant other, you have to share with the
Speaker 2: good and the bad. You can't just share the bad.
Speaker 2: It has to be a good balance. Yeah, So when
Speaker 2: he does great things, when he's good with the kids,
Speaker 2: when when he does something nice for me, I make
Speaker 2: sure I share that as well, So it's not always
Speaker 2: just calling to vent about something bad that annoyed me.
Speaker 1: You mean when he's telling his son to keep licking
Speaker 1: the window, Yeah, before.
Speaker 2: Go s lick it again, lick it again and again.
Speaker 1: Then Janet's having Habachi night. She invited everybody but Kristin
Speaker 1: and Luke listen. I'm sorry, Janet, and I'm happy to
Speaker 1: have you on, and have you changed my opinion? But
Speaker 1: since when are you the number one girl in the
Speaker 1: group and you're calling these shots?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree with that one hundred percent. I actually
Speaker 2: was like irritated by that. First of all, Kristin has
Speaker 2: been on reality TV for a long ass time, so
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, Shell wouldn't exist without Riston at
Speaker 2: this point. And then I don't know, cutting her out
Speaker 2: like that, I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. But also I wanted to be
Speaker 1: like Janet. I know you think that your main character,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately you're wrong.
Speaker 2: You are incorrect in your assumption.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then Jasmine and Chrisma, Christmin, Chris, Jasmine and Christmas,
Speaker 1: Jasmine and Kristen for wine. Kristen saysn't a confessional that
Speaker 1: Michelle was texting another woman having an emotional affair. We
Speaker 1: see that jacks told Kristen at their previous lunch that
Speaker 1: he was told Michelle was cheating with an actor celebrity.
Speaker 1: Then they flashed back to the scene where he's like,
Speaker 1: you don't think they're filming us, right, and she's okay, Jackson,
Speaker 1: are on or the eight guys standing around with the
Speaker 1: cameras in our faces filming? Like, is there a reason
Speaker 1: we picked this jacked up place to lunch that we
Speaker 1: get a freaking permit here? But it's clear, like Jackson's
Speaker 1: moving storyline and Kristen, you know, Kristen is too, But Kristin's.
Speaker 2: Not anymore in the wrong than Jack's. No, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But let me just clarify something. So what JACKX knows
Speaker 2: about Michelle came from Brittany, correct, Okay, So.
Speaker 1: Then Jackie told Kristen and said, don't tell anyone, right,
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone, but he said it on camera.
Speaker 2: Right to these things work? Are those things on? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But then texted Kristen afterwards after they just filmed a scene, right,
Speaker 1: and said, don't say anything to anyone. I don't want
Speaker 1: to ruin a marriage or a life or blah. Blah,
Speaker 1: and she's like, what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You just shared this on camera. So at that point,
Speaker 1: this is where it's so bothersome in the world of
Speaker 1: reality television that anyone at this point isn't realizing what's happening, right.
Speaker 2: And why Kristen is the scapegoat for all of this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, not to compare it to myself, but I
Speaker 1: was considered the scapegoat when it came down to the
Speaker 1: Brandy and Denise stuff. But I was not Randy and
Speaker 1: Kim came to a place where I was and told
Speaker 1: me this information on camera. I wasn't like out on
Speaker 1: the streets looking for this information like I was told.
Speaker 1: It came to you. It came to me on camera.
Speaker 1: At that point, it's already out there. Did I have
Speaker 1: the choice to not share it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Did I still share it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: But the point is it was already out there, so
Speaker 1: it's already going to be.
Speaker 2: Out there exactly. I mean, anything on camera's fair game.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't really you can't get upset at
Speaker 2: somebody for sharing something that they was shared originally.
Speaker 1: On camera, but then it's Hibachi night. Jesse removed Kristin
Speaker 1: from the group chat. Jack says he blocked her. Then
Speaker 1: Janet's all so happy to taught me how to block,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Janet, like, you don't know how
Speaker 1: to do that, Janet, I'm sure you've been blocked plenty
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 2: It's time to learn.
Speaker 1: Then Brittany leaves because she is sick from the sake.
Speaker 2: Jack stays. But then Jackson is.
Speaker 1: Like not very nice to her when she like, she
Speaker 1: wasn't a dick about it, she was just like she
Speaker 1: took it. Then four minutes later you see her kind
Speaker 1: of feel sick.
Speaker 2: And he's like they're drinking. They're drinking that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, she wasn't pounding. She had one drink that
Speaker 1: everybody else had. I guess there was a you know,
Speaker 1: she had an ulcer back on vander Pump Rules and
Speaker 1: the doctor told her not to drink. Who knows if
Speaker 1: she still has that ulcer or not. But also, like Jax,
Speaker 1: she's married to you, she's bound to need a couple
Speaker 1: beverages before.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was the also the also the result
Speaker 2: of being married to Jack's that's right, that also has
Speaker 2: Jax's name on it.
Speaker 1: Or decide if you're going to marry Jax after he's
Speaker 1: cheated on you again, Like it's it could really be
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I doubt it had to be
Speaker 1: like a skinny margarita. But then they played drag your
Speaker 1: Heart how well you know your partners? This kind of
Speaker 1: was boring to me.
Speaker 2: This, Yeah, well, I feel like it's like the same
Speaker 2: thing over again. Here here's my take from that whole
Speaker 2: game with the couples. What was it? They asked, like
Speaker 2: who you would have a threesome with? And Danny I'm
Speaker 2: sure he would answer, but Nia won't let him answer again.
Speaker 2: I know we had this conversation before. But I like
Speaker 2: them as a couple. I think they're very sweet. But
Speaker 2: if they're not going to get messy, if they're not
Speaker 2: going to answer questions, if she's going to stop him
Speaker 2: from talking, and she's going to find everything inappropriate and wrong,
Speaker 2: like I don't know if reality TV is for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's going to be hard to continue
Speaker 1: on because even that, I mean, we play that game
Speaker 1: a thousand times, like, right, who would you rather? Like
Speaker 1: everyone is not getting mad at me for it, But
Speaker 1: then I was like, but you're comfortable sharing that you've
Speaker 1: boned on top of the rooftop and your knees are
Speaker 1: still bruised.
Speaker 2: I was like, hmmm, but I just feel like there's
Speaker 2: too many circumstances of her being like offended because things
Speaker 2: are inappropriate. She doesn't want to answer, and she doesn't
Speaker 2: want to engage, and she doesn't want to respond. It's
Speaker 2: like it's it's a reality TV show, like you got
Speaker 2: to get in there. You can't Everything can't be inappropriate
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those are you know, do I think
Speaker 1: the other couples answered one hundred percent? Honestly, probably not,
Speaker 1: but Michelle did. Michelle was like, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna answer. I think Jesse'd pignea. But you do really
Speaker 1: see through this how much Michelle can't I mean, the
Speaker 1: amount of how much she can't stand Jesse is.
Speaker 2: It's it's palpable, it really is.
Speaker 1: It Like I get nervous watching him talk. I do.
Speaker 2: I agreed a hundred percent. I'm like, I'm afraid she's
Speaker 2: gonna like, like the switch is gonna flip and she's
Speaker 2: just gonna like attack him or something. Yeah, it's always
Speaker 2: so calm.
Speaker 1: But then but also she never really shows any excite.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, like with the actor if she shows excitement
Speaker 1: because I get being kind of monotone and whatnot, but
Speaker 1: at some moments you would think there was like joy
Speaker 1: or excitement or laughter. Even with one of the girls,
Speaker 1: you never really see it. It's like so controlled and just.
Speaker 1: But even if you're having marital issues, like, don't you
Speaker 1: find moments with your friends or other people that you
Speaker 1: might find some joy or laughter in? Have we seen that?
Speaker 2: I would think, I don't know. That's why you said
Speaker 2: she was like an Ai.
Speaker 1: She may we need proof that she's not. Is she
Speaker 1: gonna get recalled like those new cyber trucks. Then Zach
Speaker 1: meets with Kristin to go over her James mat clothing
Speaker 1: line relaunch and his confessional. Zach says Janet is getting
Speaker 1: away with being messy because she is pregnant. He tells
Speaker 1: Kristin there's no reason for her not to include people,
Speaker 1: just to do it. Then Jesse is getting ready to
Speaker 1: go away for his spiritual treat It's outside of his personality,
Speaker 1: but he thinks it will help repair his marriage. Then
Speaker 1: if Jesse goes, what would you like me to change?
Speaker 1: And she said your personality.
Speaker 2: I know that's a good answer. Just everything about you,
Speaker 2: you know, like you, how you are? Could you just
Speaker 2: come back a totally different person? That would be great,
Speaker 2: like listen, is Jesse great?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not? But asking someone to change their entire personality.
Speaker 2: Feels borderline emotionally abusive to me. You may say, like,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Teddy, I wish you'd talk with your hands a little less.
Speaker 2: But if you want me to completely shift who.
Speaker 1: I am to my core and I'm married to you, like,
Speaker 1: this is a problem.
Speaker 2: It is a it's a problem. But could Teddy, could
Speaker 2: you change everything about you? Please? I'll work on could
Speaker 2: you go on the spiritual retreat before our next podcast?
Speaker 1: But will you do absolutely nothing to change yourself? Will
Speaker 1: you stay exactly the same and trigger me exactly the
Speaker 1: same way and hope I come back different?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: This ayahuasca better work wonders for me next Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Before the pod, I kept thinking that she's probably pissed
Speaker 2: that it's only one night. Damn it.
Speaker 1: Can you lead for three weeks?
Speaker 2: It isn't like a different like a platinum version you
Speaker 2: could go, so it's like a week long.
Speaker 1: Because my actor dude, he's like, you know, he's in town.
Speaker 1: I got to pretend to sell him a house, but
Speaker 1: we've got an available one near Chateau Marmont.
Speaker 2: Like it's just constant.
Speaker 1: But then we get to the James May event, where
Speaker 1: did everybody realize it was not gonna be one thousand degrees?
Speaker 1: Everyone was sweating through their clothes and wearing the wrong.
Speaker 2: Colors, Like, don't that sweat on Jackson's shirt? That was
Speaker 2: just he didn't so he didn't just spill a bottle
Speaker 2: of water on him and he was that sweaty.
Speaker 1: That is why I don't wear colors like olive green
Speaker 1: or like dark blue when it's sweaty, or like a
Speaker 1: gray T shirt. I would be like, I'm sweaty human being,
Speaker 1: and I would really be pitting out. My first couple confessionals,
Speaker 1: I was like pitting out so bad that I was
Speaker 1: like having to talk and like panic that I've I
Speaker 1: lit my armpit. But this entire event doesn't fully make
Speaker 1: sense to me other than it's just a way to
Speaker 1: let Kristen and Zach know they're not invited to a
Speaker 1: baby moon. First question, who the fucking invites other people
Speaker 1: on baby moons? I didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker 2: It's not a thing. I feel like they should have
Speaker 2: it should have just had a different reason that they
Speaker 2: were going somewhere, because that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Like called the last hurrah with friends or something. But
Speaker 1: a baby moon is normally like the two people having
Speaker 1: the baby together get away for their one last time alone. Right,
Speaker 1: not invite all their dysfunctional friends.
Speaker 2: Exactly, just call it something else. But then Zach cried, oh,
Speaker 2: because he wasn't invited.
Speaker 3: He took he took that hard, a hard hit for him.
Speaker 1: He took it so hard that Kristen didn't even have
Speaker 1: a response. Was just like, sorry, Zach, sorry, I fucked
Speaker 1: you over on this new TV job.
Speaker 2: But okay, but what's the reason Zach's not invited? Because
Speaker 2: he's friendly with Kristin.
Speaker 1: He thinks it's because he set up this event. He
Speaker 1: hung up these T shirts and told her to write
Speaker 1: restroom on the restroom door. But I think he probably
Speaker 1: wasn't invited. I mean, because I think it's a couple's trip.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I also think that Janet and Michelle really thought the
Speaker 1: audience was going to react differently to them while filming,
Speaker 1: so that's why they thought this could all happen. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know this. They we got some
Speaker 1: work to get through. But yeah, you can see Jack
Speaker 1: spiraling like they're going to kill our show if they
Speaker 1: don't all figure this out. Right, Zach says, Janet is
Speaker 1: only inviting him because he Yeah, is only is not
Speaker 1: only inviting him because he's talking to her about Christna. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that is what it is.
Speaker 2: But other people are friendly with Kristen and they're invited, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I don't understand the cutting. I
Speaker 2: still again, I know we talked about it before, but
Speaker 2: I don't understand the cutting Kristen out, Like those are
Speaker 2: big moves.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the cutting. I don't know why Michelle
Speaker 1: and Jesse and Janet think that they're in the place
Speaker 1: to be cutting people out exactly.
Speaker 2: And Janet and how she keeps just getting by with
Speaker 2: being the one that does a lot of the crap
Speaker 2: talking and no one seems to call her out for it,
Speaker 2: Like Kristen's always just the messenger ding dong that just
Speaker 2: messes up stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kristin like will repeat things Jack told her, but
Speaker 1: she'll get the words wrong and then everyone will get
Speaker 1: mad at her. But what I do wish Kristin would
Speaker 1: do a little bit of is in these scenes where
Speaker 1: you see whether it's Luke or Zach or whomever trying
Speaker 1: to or even Brittney trying to talk to her about
Speaker 1: what she needs to do to mend this relationship, she
Speaker 1: just looks like forlorn, Like she's not even responsive, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think she's listening like she's Do you think
Speaker 1: that's because her feelings are hurt and she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to cry because she's like worried about getting kicked off
Speaker 1: the show or iced out, or she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: fully double down and say worse shit and get herself
Speaker 1: even more trouble.
Speaker 2: Well, if she was truly worried about getting iced out
Speaker 2: and getting kicked off the show, she would have invited
Speaker 2: them to her T shirt thing. Was she not really
Speaker 2: selling T shirts?
Speaker 1: Was it just like, yeah, it was not to sell
Speaker 1: T shirts? She said it was just to hang him
Speaker 1: out there. It was a gifting thing because they're going
Speaker 1: to launch her new line and she wanted to gift
Speaker 1: it to people and take some pictures and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: Okay, but she did not invite Janet or Michelle and
Speaker 2: Michelle right, So I mean I feel like at that point,
Speaker 2: it would have been better for her to invite them,
Speaker 2: because then you can say that she's consistently trying to
Speaker 2: make sure that the group is together. I don't know.
Speaker 1: About a group event, but I think by this point
Speaker 1: Kristin probably should have reached out. I don't know what
Speaker 1: Janet has to do with any of this, if I'm
Speaker 1: being honest, but should have reached out if she really
Speaker 1: wanted to fix things to Michelle, say sorry, I got
Speaker 1: things twisted in my delivery.
Speaker 2: And actually out of Jacks. Jackson is the one that
Speaker 2: told me this.
Speaker 1: Said I heard from Brittany, like get it, wake up, Kristin.
Speaker 1: If you're going to move story, then moving you should
Speaker 1: have found right to Michelle outed Jack's and then we'd
Speaker 1: be in a whole different Jozy of a sitch.
Speaker 2: Exactly Why do people not out Jacks? Why do they
Speaker 2: They just kind of brush over him and blame everything
Speaker 2: on Kristen. I don't really understand that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but maybe I started thinking that it's
Speaker 1: because everybody trusts Brittany, and people tell Britney things, and
Speaker 1: then clearly Brittany tells Jacks, and Jacks can't be trusted.
Speaker 2: Exactly don't dunt dunt dunt dund dum. But until next week, guys,
Speaker 2: it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the reunion of vander Pump Rules and
Speaker 1: for the Valley to continue. And I hope they stop
Speaker 1: not inviting people to everything and they can work through this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to stop doing that. Also, is there
Speaker 2: no reunion for the Valley? I keep reading there's no reunion?
Speaker 2: Is that a confirmed thing?
Speaker 1: I feel like there's gonna be a reunion. I had
Speaker 1: another question, would you Oh, Kristen said there's no reunion,
Speaker 1: but I don't. Kristin also gets things wrong, so Christill.
Speaker 2: Also thinks that that Jesse's leaving Michelle, so really Michelle's
Speaker 2: leaving Jackse.
Speaker 1: But Kristen also tasted a piece of the Lizard's food
Speaker 1: or the get Ghos food, and you know, I liked it.
Speaker 1: I liked it, said it was delicious, and I'm not
Speaker 1: over it. So that's really where I stand. But I
Speaker 1: feel like Kristen, it's Kristen's time now to kind of
Speaker 1: throw Jack's under the bus.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.