WEBVTT - #287 Packers Unscripted: More on Day 3 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:20.639 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.600 I am Mike Spofford and he is Wes Hodkowits were 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.560 coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.160 and West as we continue to review the Packers two 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:30.880 thousand and eight teen draft, I want to get to 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.280 a few of those Day three picks that we haven't 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.920 had a chance to discuss yet. And I want to 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.000 start on the offensive line because we had talked about 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.680 if there's one thing that's a guarantee, because Ted Thompson 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.800 did it in twelve out of his thirteen drafts, it's 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:45.559 that the Packers are going to take at least one 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.680 offensive lineman, and they did in selecting Cole Madison from 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:54.440 Washington State in the fifth Round's actually a three and 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.880 a half year starter at right tackle, but the Packers 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.880 are projecting him as a hard at least that's where 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.920 they want to start him out. What do you know 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.959 about Madison? And certainly the Packers track record here with 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.360 taking tackles and making them guards is pretty good. Yeah, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.720 And it sounded like this wasn't a secret. Everyone in 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.400 the NFL was kind of looking at him as a 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.880 guard I think he said the St. Louis Rams, excuse me, 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:16.920 Los Angeles Rams were the only team that really we're 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.320 talking to Hi about tackle now. The one thing he 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.200 gives you, though, with that background, is some line versatility 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.039 if you need to use them in a pinch. But 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.399 I think it appears interial be his concentration. What do 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.920 we know about him? He has a luscious mane of hair. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.119 And it was funny he mentioned it that he actually 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.720 got a trim the week before the draft, before that 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.600 he hadn't had it cut since before prom in high school. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.800 The guy was at Washington stayed for a long time. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.840 I mean, pretty big beard, just a big character. And 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.640 if you look at it, though, Michael, whether it's the hair, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.880 whether it's the beard. Packers have had some success finding 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.440 really good offensive lineman in the draft through the middle 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.240 rounds with those credentials, and now Cole Madison hopes to 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.600 be the next one. Yeah, and this conversion from college 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.320 offensive tackle to NFL guard or I should just say 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.400 NFL interior player. The Packers have done it with multiple guys, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.920 Josh Sitting and T. J. Lang also j C. Treader. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.400 He was a He was a tackle at Cornell, and 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.720 became more of an interior guy in the NFL. Although 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.160 all those guys you know still actually I think all 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.440 three of them have not mistaken filled in at tackle 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.040 in a pinch during during their NFL career with the Packers. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.520 So um with Madison here, So as we talked about 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.400 before the draft, a lot of uncertainty, a lot of 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.160 open competition, you might say, for where the Packers are 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.560 at right guard and right tackle for team Brian Balaga's injury. 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.079 Week one is ten months away from his injury. He's 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.560 obviously gonna do everything he can to get back. You 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.720 have no guarantees there. Um. At right guard, Jarry Evans 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.640 remains unsigned. He was the starting right guard for the 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.760 majority of last year. I don't know how you see it, West. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.360 When I look at where things are right now, I 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.960 kind of see Cole Madison and Lucas Patrick competing at 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.560 right guard. I see Jason Spriggs and Kyle Murphy competing 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.680 at right tackle. I'm just not sure which one Justin 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.160 McCray is going to be competing for. You have any 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.800 read or any sense on that. Well, here's the first thing, Mike, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.079 the fact that Packers didn't address the tackle situation then obviously, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.280 Brian Goodkin said afterwards they figured that Brian Balagan is 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.200 going to be in the team's plans. A lot to 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.960 figure out, but but they're obviously very hopeful to have 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.160 him back and play, and certainly a guy that's played 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.440 an extemplary level when he has been healthy. But in 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.560 the interim here, especially during the offseason program, I think 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.600 that's where these things are gonna start to sort themselves out. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.840 Who's that next guy up, Who's going to be the 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.080 guy that really grabs that opportunity? Uh, you look at 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.400 the right guard position. To me, I I still feel 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.880 like justin mccraige's best position as guard, I thought he 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.280 did a phenomenal job given what you had to work 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.080 with the play right tackle last year and having to 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.520 move around the line the way he did, that's really valuable. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.920 But Lucas Patrick is there as well. How are Jason 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.840 Spriggs and Kyle Murphy gonna come back after their injuries. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.080 I thought Murphy did a great job those first three 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.080 weeks of the season, especially having to play a little 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.880 bit of left tackle. Spriggs has had his moments as well. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.520 I just think it's gonna be a really good competition, Mike, 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.800 and I think the best battles when you look at him, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.640 regardless of position during training camp, are the ones where 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.479 you get a bunch of guys with different types of 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.680 skill sets, different makeups, different body types, but yet the 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.480 skill levels pretty much all on par Who's going to 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.200 be the guy that steps out in front of that? 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.800 You know, James camp and has not spoken to the 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.479 media yet since these moves were made, but I have 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.520 to imagine he's pretty happy because he has a bunch 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.960 of guys that are talented with some versatility there to 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:34.880 figure out how exactly they want to play things out 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.960 on the right side. Yeah, and bolaga situation is going 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.960 to play into that considerably. Mike McCarthy after the draft 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.560 was asked, you know, what's the update on Bulaga? No 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:47.800 specifics given other than that in his recovery from another 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.120 a c L injury here he is ahead of schedule. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.600 All the reports have been positive. McCarthy made it very 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.640 clear though that where he is at the beginning of 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.360 training camp will be the telltale sign, and I took 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.880 that to mean obviously at the getting a training camp 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.719 is when you have to decide with injured players whether 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.960 they go on PUP or whether they stay active. And 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.600 if that decision is made to put him on PUP, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.120 then that keeps him out a minimum of the first 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.240 six weeks of the regular season. If they feel like 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.839 he's going to be ready in the early stages of 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.080 the regular season, then they won't put him on pup, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.320 even if he's not necessarily practicing right away. So that 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.200 start of training camp is really going to be potentially 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.120 decision time on blog. Yeah, blog is shown too. I mean, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.479 he can jump back in there and doesn't really show 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.240 much ring rust at all. He's done. He's done it 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.479 before the worst times he played at a high level 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:37.680 in spite of, you know, having to deal with some 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.080 stuff in the past. I just think, you know, he 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.040 is you know, he's twenty nine years old, so I'm 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.400 sure he really does want to be a part of 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.119 the off season program. But he's been through this before. Yeah, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.560 I think for young guys like a Cole Madison, even 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.480 these these tackles Spriggs and Murphy now, but in the 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.320 league for two years, those reps are gonna be so valuable, 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.400 you know, throughout o t a s, throughout mini camp, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.880 throughout training camp. To be able to get that workload in. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.800 Even you know, a guy like Justin mccraie, who was 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.480 a street free agent last year, really at the bottom 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.560 rung of the depth chart when training camp started a 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.200 year ago in working his way up. So for me personally, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.080 I think that's the most exciting part of this is 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.359 now you add another guy into that reserve of offensive lineman. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.440 I don't think it was a position you need a 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.159 draft during the first two days, and it looks like 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.200 they found another really good guy to you know, kind 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.360 of harvest and cultivate and develop from those later rounds. Yeah, 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.320 going to be some competitions to keep an eye on 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.479 for sure. With that, we'll go to a break back 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:48.800 with more on Packers Unscripted right after this Welcome back 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.800 to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair. West Hodkin 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.159 wits in that one, Okay, West. The Packers went into 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.719 the two thousand and eight teen draft with a few 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.719 positions that were very low priority. I guess you would 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:04.120 say one was quarterback because of the trade for Deshaun Kaiser, 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.040 one was running back because you drafted three running backs 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.480 a year earlier, and another being defensive line because you 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.400 would signed Mohammed Wilkerson, and you were going to get 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.000 Montravius Adams, a third round pick from a year ago, 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.880 back from essentially essentially an injury type of red shirt season. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.120 But the Packers did draft one defensive lineman in the 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:29.600 seventh round and it's James excuse me, James Looney from 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:33.000 cal A guy. I don't know a heck of a 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.200 lot about him. You had a chance to to write 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.640 a little bit about him. Um, what what did you learn? 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.000 What type of prospect do you think he is? You know, 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.680 I go back to something I thought. Elliott Wolf, the 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.360 Packers former personnel executive who's now with the Cleveland Browns, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.480 he had such a great point last year during the 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.280 draft because he was asked about what you're looking for 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.040 day three of the draft, and he said, you're looking 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.680 for trades. You're looking for a certain area that a 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.840 guy really stands out above the rest, whether it's a 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.760 play time, ben s, reps, vertical, whatever, something that they 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.240 do exemplary rather than being, you know, kind of pedestrian 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.920 across the board because hang your hat on something. Yeah, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.160 Because you're dealing with guys that have obvious flaws in 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.360 their game. The thing that stands out to me about Looney, 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.440 and I'm not trying to make any comparisons to Mike 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.680 Daniels here. It's a different type of football player. But 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.600 he said it himself. He sees himself in terms of 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.440 where his upside is, where his ceiling is, as being 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.480 one of those new modern type of defensive tackles. Guys 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.160 that aren't pushing three twenty, aren't the tallest guys in 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.120 the world, but find ways to win those battles in 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.680 the trenches and to get leverage. He was a really 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.400 consistent football player during his time at Cal and he 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.040 was a transfer from Wake Forest, where his brother was 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.280 a standout. His brother now an offensive lineman for the 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.320 Dallas Cowboys. And he said it himself. In the pre 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.160 draft process, the advice his brother Joe gave him was 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.120 just get in the league. Doesn't matter where your draft. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.600 It doesn't matter if you're drafted. It matters that you 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.920 come in and show what you have to offer. It's 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.560 very loaded defensive line right now for the Green Bay Packers, 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.120 especially when you consider that Montrevious Adams is coming back 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.839 off of that foot injury last year. But Looney is 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:09.480 going to be in a good spot here. And the 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.040 other thing that's interesting as well, consecutive years of the 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.480 Packers have drafted a defensive lineman I think is Ted Thompson. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.760 To steal his old phrase, God only created so much 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.960 thought so many of those big guys, especially guys with athleticism. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.040 I think Looney's a guy that touches on that. Yeah, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.720 I think when you look at you look at his 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.760 athletic ability, they're certainly worth uh, you know, worth a 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.480 draft pick. There. One of these guys that I think 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.360 his measurable was what to to eighty five somewhere around there, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.960 and it's one of he's one of these guys that, yeah, 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.400 if if, if he's got the potential, you know, to 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.200 get to say three hundred or three hundred five pounds, 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.480 you have suddenly you have a different type of player 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.839 than the one who was in college. And you know, 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.400 and obviously adding that weight, maybe you lose some athleticism 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.800 and whatnot. But this is a guy who was projected 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.240 as a late round pick and coming from the Pack twelve. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:00.880 I mean, they throw the ball a heck of a 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.040 lot in that conference. So this is a guy who 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.920 who certainly did did his share of rushing the passers 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:07.559 and one thing it was fun too. This is more 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.280 of an off the field thing. But you know, he 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.280 was praised throughout the pre draft process for his personality. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.160 Has an infectious personality. You really got a feel for 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.040 that during his interview with the media. I mean it 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.640 was kind of the end of the day. I know 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.200 a lot of beat writers retired, but I mean, Looney 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.160 is he is. He's such a gregarious type of you know, 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.240 individual and to be honest with you, I thought, out 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.360 of all the draft picks, he probably had one of 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.080 the most engaging news conferences. It's just that at that 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.920 point of the day, I don't know how many people 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:36.959 had questions a lot for these guys. You know, they 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.920 just wanted to get write their stories and get home. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.720 But it was interesting listen to him talk about the 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.160 relationship with his brother and how competitive they were as kids. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.559 He mentioned broken controllers, you know, with the PlayStation, and 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.240 you know, kind of getting into a little bit of 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.040 scraps with the kids in the neighborhood. There's there's an 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.719 edge to this guy. Probably not an accident that he 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.760 became as the younger brother became the defensive lineman. The 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.679 older brother was the off ffensive lineman there, there's not 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.640 necessarily just coincidence. No absolutely iron sharpening iron. But you know, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.240 the one thing that stands out to me though, he 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:11.080 has some interesting traits and I think as NFL dot 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.000 Com and they're scouting report, they praised him for it. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.720 You know, he has kind of a cool spin move 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.440 for an interior type rusher. Uh. You know, he he 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.280 just s he's a little he's a little unique in 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.120 terms of how he approaches things. He's not just this 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.120 bull rushing guy that's gonna try to overpower you. He 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.600 understands and he even said this, the NFL is a 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.720 tough league. You have to be savvy. You have to 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.600 be able to have your technique where it needs to 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.440 be to win these battles in the trenches. I'm just 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.960 you know, he's a seventh round pick. Wait and see. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.319 You know they had success in the past. I think 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.400 a Lawrence guy in two thousand eleven. Even though it 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.240 didn't happen in Green Bay, he became a player in 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.920 this league. They know defensive lineman, and this guy obviously 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.600 showed him something they really like. Yeah, Dave Tollison from 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.800 about a decade ago, another seventh round pick, who was 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:52.920 a defensive lineman went on to to play for a 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.959 couple of other teams for a few years. But with that, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.760 we're gonna go to a break back with moreen Packers unscripted. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:17.240 Right after this, Welcome back to Packers, unscripted. Mike Spofford 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.520 right here, West, Hodko, it's all the way over there West. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.520 The Packers. Obviously, they addressed a lot of positions in 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.960 this eleven pick draft that they had, but some areas 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.280 that they actually were not able to address, and one 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.000 that a lot of people are talking about is the 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.080 pass rush. I'll be the first to admit I expected 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.520 the Packers to draft a pass rusher earlier than the 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.760 fourth round last year. I expected them to draft an 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.240 edge rusher earlier than the seventh round this year. We 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.160 all know how things go as far as how the 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.080 board falls, in the philosophy and all of that. They're 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:51.760 not going to reach for a player and this was 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.920 a very thin draft in terms of edge rushers. They 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.960 did select one though, with their final pick, Southeast Missouri 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.520 State Kendall Donerson. And um, again, you talked about what 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.560 Elliott Will said about, you know, finding traits in the 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.680 seventh round. This is a guy with with a heck 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.600 of a lot of measurables, especially the speed. Be interesting 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.840 to see maybe what he can do coming off the edge. Yeah, 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.160 four point eight forty forty vertical guy has a lot 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.880 of athleticism and just a big enough to be an 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.800 edge rusher in a three or four defense. You know 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.360 he's gonna be slightly undersized. But again, getting back to 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.520 what you said about Looney, you wonder if the Packers 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.960 can put on some weight with him. Yeah, Kyler Facra 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.760 wasn't the biggest outside linebacker either when he came to 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.880 Green Bay. I want to touch on them before we 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.000 touch on Donnerdson. I just want to mention Mike. I 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.439 was a little surprised too. I expected the Packers to 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.000 address outside Russia earlier on. But as I got thinking 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.959 about it, as we began Day three, and as the 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.079 picks started coming off the board and the Packers started 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.840 taking receivers, it made sense to me that they didn't 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.600 look at outside linebacker edge rushier early on day three. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.480 My thinking is, if you could have if it lined 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.680 up and you wanted to take an edge rusher on 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.600 day one, you take one. You look at the history. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.080 That's where you're gonna find your biggest playmakers. But the 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.440 Packers have been down this road in the middle rounds, 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.640 taking edge rushers in recent years, Kyler Facral, Vince Bagel 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.760 who had his you know, rookie season basically wiped out 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.640 by those two foot surgeries. They've been there before. So 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.400 I have a hard time believing. And maybe there's a 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.040 big gem waiting out there, but I have a hard 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.000 time believing they were going to draft a guy on 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.200 in the fourth, late in the fourth or early in 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.320 the fifth that was gonna come in and push to 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.720 be that top guy in the rotation. It takes time 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.760 to develop that position. And secondly, just want to mention 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.960 this too. We got spoiled a little bit from fourteen 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.320 to sixteen with Julius Peppers and Matthews and Perry and 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.760 Nick Mike Neil and Dayton Jones when he had some 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.720 success there. It was really deep and outside Russia. But 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.320 I've been covering this team long enough to remember when 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.400 Dom Capers was making do with Desmond Moses and and 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.720 Frank Zombo and mar Latimore, undrafted guys that didn't have 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.600 any accolades whatsoever, and we're starting games for the Packers. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.080 So yes, comparatively, is this group as deep as it 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.040 wasn't from fourteen sixteen? It's not. But I get kind 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.920 of worn out by the narrative that the Packers don't 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.960 have an outside Russian, you know, contingent. If you could 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.440 find a guy early and you want to take them 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.800 and develop them, go for it. But otherwise I think 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.520 finding a guy like Donnerdson late in the draft is 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:15.920 kind of the way to go because he has some 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.560 really unique traits that you can develop and adam into 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.560 that mix with the four guys that are returning at 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.200 that position that all had regular game experience last season. Yeah, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.960 I hear what you're saying. As far as the Packers, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.920 my expectations the last couple of years were in terms 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.400 of taking an edge rusher much higher. Have to do 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.400 with more the long term future. Because Clay Matthews was 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.920 drafted in two thousand nine, Nick Perry was drafted in 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.280 two thousand and twelve. Those are your two guys on 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.320 the front lines right now, and both of them you 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.240 would probably have to say, are are in the back 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.080 half of the Yeah, exactly, and that that's that's where 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.600 That's where my point was, and and as far as 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.840 the teen packers are packers are concerned, I don't think 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.360 Brian Goudakuntz is necessarily done at outside Russia. We saw 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.640 what happened last year when suddenly a Mod Brooks, a 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.480 veteran from the San Francisco forty Niners and their old 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.600 three four scheme became available. Now, unfortunately he had some 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.680 injuries and and probably didn't contribute as much as everybody 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.040 was hoping. But there's possibly a veteran move like that 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.840 out there as well for the Packers to provide a 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.080 little bit of boost to this position. Yeah, you definitely 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.960 think that that could be in the cards again, just 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.360 because of guys who end up getting cut for salary 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.600 cap reasons, or you bring in another prospect that you 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.040 really like and you don't want to move on somewhere else. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.400 And then also as we get these undrafted free agents 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.200 later in this week, Mike, let's remember that, you know, 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:35.600 there's been a lot of guys that have pushed for 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.520 playing time in the past. I think a guy like 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.000 Chris odom is also one to watch in addition to 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.520 Reggie Gilbert, based on what he did last season. Of 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.040 the year. But Odom also basically took a red shirt 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.200 season after having to come to Green Bay with no 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.920 off season, with no training camp, learning how to be 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.720 an outside linebacker slash defensive end in Atlanta, and then 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.120 having to play the position in Green Bay. So those 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.840 four young guys, Gilbert Beagle, factrol and and Uh and Odom, 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.400 really want to see them push and then see again 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.760 if if someone else, another veteran or somebody might come 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.520 in along the line. Yeah. Also, no tight end selected, 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.000 which was a little surprising to me. In the eleven picks, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.920 and the word was that, you know, there was there 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.000 was some depth that tight end to find some guys 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.920 in the middle rounds. The Packers ended up not taking one. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.600 And you know, you've got Jimmy Graham and Lance Kendricks 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.280 on the top of that depth chart. You have two 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.679 really really young, unproven guys, and Emmanuel Bird and Robert 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.840 tonyan Um below them. I thought the Packers were going 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.159 to going to fill something in there with the draft, 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.359 but but they didn't. And um, you know, we'll see. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.639 I was really thinking they would because everything I was 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.320 reading was that there were a lot of tight end 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.879 prospects that we're going to get picked. The same reason 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.800 you mentioned about wanting to draft an outside linebacker applies 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.960 the tight end. It takes time to develop that position, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.080 which is why I was saying it going into this thing. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.280 It makes sense to potentially look at a guy Packers 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.359 feel comfortable where they are though, and you know, taking 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.439 Graham and Kendricks and seeing what happens as far as 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.560 that third spot. All right, Well, with that, we will 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.080 go to another break back with more on Packers Unscripted 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:18.040 right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.240 alongside West hodkowits West. Quickly, before we go, I want 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.359 to step away from the draft talk for a minute 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.200 and just address the annual NFL Network Top one hundred 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.000 series Top one hundred players in the league for the 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.240 coming year, voted on at the end of last year 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.080 by the players themselves. The first twenty and what I 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.359 mean by that is from number one hundred up to 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.200 number eighty one, were revealed Monday night on NFL Network. 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.480 The Packers actually had four guys in that mix. Um. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.760 The one, uh, you know who stands out the most 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.320 is that David Botr came in at number first time 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.639 he has made the top one hundred list. Should have 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.280 made it sooner, but he's in there now. He has 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.840 and you give credit to box Tr joked on Twitter 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.760 afterwards that now he has to get up twenty two 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.040 more spots. I believe it is to get to number 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.760 sixty nine, which is what he ultimately once out of 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.520 this thing. Obviously his number, but Jimmy Graham also included 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.280 in that Mike Daniels once again makes it for the 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.520 third straight year. I would argue you on one point. Obviously, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:16.679 kudos to bak Tr for making it. I think the 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.240