1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is Wes Hodkowits were 3 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field 4 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: and West as we continue to review the Packers two 5 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: thousand and eight teen draft, I want to get to 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: a few of those Day three picks that we haven't 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: had a chance to discuss yet. And I want to 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: start on the offensive line because we had talked about 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: if there's one thing that's a guarantee, because Ted Thompson 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: did it in twelve out of his thirteen drafts, it's 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: that the Packers are going to take at least one 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, and they did in selecting Cole Madison from 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Washington State in the fifth Round's actually a three and 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: a half year starter at right tackle, but the Packers 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: are projecting him as a hard at least that's where 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: they want to start him out. What do you know 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: about Madison? And certainly the Packers track record here with 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: taking tackles and making them guards is pretty good. Yeah, 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: And it sounded like this wasn't a secret. Everyone in 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: the NFL was kind of looking at him as a 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: guard I think he said the St. Louis Rams, excuse me, 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams were the only team that really we're 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: talking to Hi about tackle now. The one thing he 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: gives you, though, with that background, is some line versatility 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: if you need to use them in a pinch. But 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: I think it appears interial be his concentration. What do 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: we know about him? He has a luscious mane of hair. 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: And it was funny he mentioned it that he actually 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: got a trim the week before the draft, before that 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: he hadn't had it cut since before prom in high school. 31 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: The guy was at Washington stayed for a long time. 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, pretty big beard, just a big character. And 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: if you look at it, though, Michael, whether it's the hair, 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: whether it's the beard. Packers have had some success finding 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: really good offensive lineman in the draft through the middle 36 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: rounds with those credentials, and now Cole Madison hopes to 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: be the next one. Yeah, and this conversion from college 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: offensive tackle to NFL guard or I should just say 39 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: NFL interior player. The Packers have done it with multiple guys, 40 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: Josh Sitting and T. J. Lang also j C. Treader. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: He was a He was a tackle at Cornell, and 42 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: became more of an interior guy in the NFL. Although 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: all those guys you know still actually I think all 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: three of them have not mistaken filled in at tackle 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: in a pinch during during their NFL career with the Packers. 46 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: So um with Madison here, So as we talked about 47 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: before the draft, a lot of uncertainty, a lot of 48 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: open competition, you might say, for where the Packers are 49 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: at right guard and right tackle for team Brian Balaga's injury. 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: Week one is ten months away from his injury. He's 51 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: obviously gonna do everything he can to get back. You 52 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: have no guarantees there. Um. At right guard, Jarry Evans 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: remains unsigned. He was the starting right guard for the 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: majority of last year. I don't know how you see it, West. 55 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: When I look at where things are right now, I 56 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: kind of see Cole Madison and Lucas Patrick competing at 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: right guard. I see Jason Spriggs and Kyle Murphy competing 58 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: at right tackle. I'm just not sure which one Justin 59 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: McCray is going to be competing for. You have any 60 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: read or any sense on that. Well, here's the first thing, Mike, 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: the fact that Packers didn't address the tackle situation then obviously, 62 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: Brian Goodkin said afterwards they figured that Brian Balagan is 63 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: going to be in the team's plans. A lot to 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: figure out, but but they're obviously very hopeful to have 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: him back and play, and certainly a guy that's played 66 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: an extemplary level when he has been healthy. But in 67 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: the interim here, especially during the offseason program, I think 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: that's where these things are gonna start to sort themselves out. 69 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Who's that next guy up, Who's going to be the 70 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: guy that really grabs that opportunity? Uh, you look at 71 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: the right guard position. To me, I I still feel 72 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: like justin mccraige's best position as guard, I thought he 73 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: did a phenomenal job given what you had to work 74 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: with the play right tackle last year and having to 75 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: move around the line the way he did, that's really valuable. 76 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: But Lucas Patrick is there as well. How are Jason 77 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: Spriggs and Kyle Murphy gonna come back after their injuries. 78 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: I thought Murphy did a great job those first three 79 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: weeks of the season, especially having to play a little 80 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: bit of left tackle. Spriggs has had his moments as well. 81 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna be a really good competition, Mike, 82 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: and I think the best battles when you look at him, 83 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: regardless of position during training camp, are the ones where 84 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: you get a bunch of guys with different types of 85 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: skill sets, different makeups, different body types, but yet the 86 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: skill levels pretty much all on par Who's going to 87 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: be the guy that steps out in front of that? 88 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: You know, James camp and has not spoken to the 89 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: media yet since these moves were made, but I have 90 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: to imagine he's pretty happy because he has a bunch 91 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: of guys that are talented with some versatility there to 92 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: figure out how exactly they want to play things out 93 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: on the right side. Yeah, and bolaga situation is going 94 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: to play into that considerably. Mike McCarthy after the draft 95 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: was asked, you know, what's the update on Bulaga? No 96 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: specifics given other than that in his recovery from another 97 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: a c L injury here he is ahead of schedule. 98 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: All the reports have been positive. McCarthy made it very 99 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: clear though that where he is at the beginning of 100 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: training camp will be the telltale sign, and I took 101 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: that to mean obviously at the getting a training camp 102 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: is when you have to decide with injured players whether 103 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: they go on PUP or whether they stay active. And 104 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: if that decision is made to put him on PUP, 105 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: then that keeps him out a minimum of the first 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: six weeks of the regular season. If they feel like 107 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: he's going to be ready in the early stages of 108 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: the regular season, then they won't put him on pup, 109 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: even if he's not necessarily practicing right away. So that 110 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: start of training camp is really going to be potentially 111 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: decision time on blog. Yeah, blog is shown too. I mean, 112 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: he can jump back in there and doesn't really show 113 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: much ring rust at all. He's done. He's done it 114 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: before the worst times he played at a high level 115 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: in spite of, you know, having to deal with some 116 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: stuff in the past. I just think, you know, he 117 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: is you know, he's twenty nine years old, so I'm 118 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: sure he really does want to be a part of 119 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: the off season program. But he's been through this before. Yeah, 120 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: I think for young guys like a Cole Madison, even 121 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: these these tackles Spriggs and Murphy now, but in the 122 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: league for two years, those reps are gonna be so valuable, 123 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, throughout o t a s, throughout mini camp, 124 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: throughout training camp. To be able to get that workload in. 125 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: Even you know, a guy like Justin mccraie, who was 126 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: a street free agent last year, really at the bottom 127 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: rung of the depth chart when training camp started a 128 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: year ago in working his way up. So for me personally, 129 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: I think that's the most exciting part of this is 130 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: now you add another guy into that reserve of offensive lineman. 131 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it was a position you need a 132 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: draft during the first two days, and it looks like 133 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: they found another really good guy to you know, kind 134 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: of harvest and cultivate and develop from those later rounds. Yeah, 135 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: going to be some competitions to keep an eye on 136 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: for sure. With that, we'll go to a break back 137 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: with more on Packers Unscripted right after this Welcome back 138 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair. West Hodkin 139 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: wits in that one, Okay, West. The Packers went into 140 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight teen draft with a few 141 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: positions that were very low priority. I guess you would 142 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: say one was quarterback because of the trade for Deshaun Kaiser, 143 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: one was running back because you drafted three running backs 144 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: a year earlier, and another being defensive line because you 145 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: would signed Mohammed Wilkerson, and you were going to get 146 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: Montravius Adams, a third round pick from a year ago, 147 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: back from essentially essentially an injury type of red shirt season. 148 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: But the Packers did draft one defensive lineman in the 149 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: seventh round and it's James excuse me, James Looney from 150 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: cal A guy. I don't know a heck of a 151 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: lot about him. You had a chance to to write 152 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: a little bit about him. Um, what what did you learn? 153 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: What type of prospect do you think he is? You know, 154 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: I go back to something I thought. Elliott Wolf, the 155 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: Packers former personnel executive who's now with the Cleveland Browns, 156 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: he had such a great point last year during the 157 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: draft because he was asked about what you're looking for 158 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: day three of the draft, and he said, you're looking 159 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: for trades. You're looking for a certain area that a 160 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: guy really stands out above the rest, whether it's a 161 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: play time, ben s, reps, vertical, whatever, something that they 162 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: do exemplary rather than being, you know, kind of pedestrian 163 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: across the board because hang your hat on something. Yeah, 164 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: Because you're dealing with guys that have obvious flaws in 165 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: their game. The thing that stands out to me about Looney, 166 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to make any comparisons to Mike 167 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: Daniels here. It's a different type of football player. But 168 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: he said it himself. He sees himself in terms of 169 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: where his upside is, where his ceiling is, as being 170 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: one of those new modern type of defensive tackles. Guys 171 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: that aren't pushing three twenty, aren't the tallest guys in 172 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: the world, but find ways to win those battles in 173 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: the trenches and to get leverage. He was a really 174 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: consistent football player during his time at Cal and he 175 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: was a transfer from Wake Forest, where his brother was 176 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: a standout. His brother now an offensive lineman for the 177 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. And he said it himself. In the pre 178 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: draft process, the advice his brother Joe gave him was 179 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: just get in the league. Doesn't matter where your draft. 180 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're drafted. It matters that you 181 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: come in and show what you have to offer. It's 182 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: very loaded defensive line right now for the Green Bay Packers, 183 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: especially when you consider that Montrevious Adams is coming back 184 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: off of that foot injury last year. But Looney is 185 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: going to be in a good spot here. And the 186 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: other thing that's interesting as well, consecutive years of the 187 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: Packers have drafted a defensive lineman I think is Ted Thompson. 188 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: To steal his old phrase, God only created so much 189 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: thought so many of those big guys, especially guys with athleticism. 190 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: I think Looney's a guy that touches on that. Yeah, 191 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: I think when you look at you look at his 192 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: athletic ability, they're certainly worth uh, you know, worth a 193 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: draft pick. There. One of these guys that I think 194 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: his measurable was what to to eighty five somewhere around there, 195 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: and it's one of he's one of these guys that, yeah, 196 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: if if, if he's got the potential, you know, to 197 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: get to say three hundred or three hundred five pounds, 198 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: you have suddenly you have a different type of player 199 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: than the one who was in college. And you know, 200 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: and obviously adding that weight, maybe you lose some athleticism 201 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: and whatnot. But this is a guy who was projected 202 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: as a late round pick and coming from the Pack twelve. 203 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: I mean, they throw the ball a heck of a 204 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: lot in that conference. So this is a guy who 205 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: who certainly did did his share of rushing the passers 206 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: and one thing it was fun too. This is more 207 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: of an off the field thing. But you know, he 208 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: was praised throughout the pre draft process for his personality. 209 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: Has an infectious personality. You really got a feel for 210 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: that during his interview with the media. I mean it 211 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: was kind of the end of the day. I know 212 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot of beat writers retired, but I mean, Looney 213 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: is he is. He's such a gregarious type of you know, 214 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: individual and to be honest with you, I thought, out 215 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: of all the draft picks, he probably had one of 216 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: the most engaging news conferences. It's just that at that 217 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: point of the day, I don't know how many people 218 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: had questions a lot for these guys. You know, they 219 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: just wanted to get write their stories and get home. 220 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: But it was interesting listen to him talk about the 221 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: relationship with his brother and how competitive they were as kids. 222 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: He mentioned broken controllers, you know, with the PlayStation, and 223 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of getting into a little bit of 224 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: scraps with the kids in the neighborhood. There's there's an 225 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: edge to this guy. Probably not an accident that he 226 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: became as the younger brother became the defensive lineman. The 227 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: older brother was the off ffensive lineman there, there's not 228 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: necessarily just coincidence. No absolutely iron sharpening iron. But you know, 229 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: the one thing that stands out to me though, he 230 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: has some interesting traits and I think as NFL dot 231 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: Com and they're scouting report, they praised him for it. 232 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: You know, he has kind of a cool spin move 233 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: for an interior type rusher. Uh. You know, he he 234 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: just s he's a little he's a little unique in 235 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: terms of how he approaches things. He's not just this 236 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: bull rushing guy that's gonna try to overpower you. He 237 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: understands and he even said this, the NFL is a 238 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: tough league. You have to be savvy. You have to 239 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: be able to have your technique where it needs to 240 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: be to win these battles in the trenches. I'm just 241 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, he's a seventh round pick. Wait and see. 242 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: You know they had success in the past. I think 243 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: a Lawrence guy in two thousand eleven. Even though it 244 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: didn't happen in Green Bay, he became a player in 245 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: this league. They know defensive lineman, and this guy obviously 246 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: showed him something they really like. Yeah, Dave Tollison from 247 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: about a decade ago, another seventh round pick, who was 248 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: a defensive lineman went on to to play for a 249 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: couple of other teams for a few years. But with that, 250 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna go to a break back with moreen Packers unscripted. 251 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: Right after this, Welcome back to Packers, unscripted. Mike Spofford 252 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: right here, West, Hodko, it's all the way over there West. 253 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: The Packers. Obviously, they addressed a lot of positions in 254 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: this eleven pick draft that they had, but some areas 255 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: that they actually were not able to address, and one 256 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: that a lot of people are talking about is the 257 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: pass rush. I'll be the first to admit I expected 258 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: the Packers to draft a pass rusher earlier than the 259 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: fourth round last year. I expected them to draft an 260 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: edge rusher earlier than the seventh round this year. We 261 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: all know how things go as far as how the 262 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: board falls, in the philosophy and all of that. They're 263 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: not going to reach for a player and this was 264 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: a very thin draft in terms of edge rushers. They 265 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: did select one though, with their final pick, Southeast Missouri 266 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: State Kendall Donerson. And um, again, you talked about what 267 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: Elliott Will said about, you know, finding traits in the 268 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: seventh round. This is a guy with with a heck 269 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: of a lot of measurables, especially the speed. Be interesting 270 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: to see maybe what he can do coming off the edge. Yeah, 271 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: four point eight forty forty vertical guy has a lot 272 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: of athleticism and just a big enough to be an 273 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: edge rusher in a three or four defense. You know 274 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna be slightly undersized. But again, getting back to 275 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: what you said about Looney, you wonder if the Packers 276 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: can put on some weight with him. Yeah, Kyler Facra 277 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest outside linebacker either when he came to 278 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: Green Bay. I want to touch on them before we 279 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: touch on Donnerdson. I just want to mention Mike. I 280 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: was a little surprised too. I expected the Packers to 281 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: address outside Russia earlier on. But as I got thinking 282 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: about it, as we began Day three, and as the 283 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: picks started coming off the board and the Packers started 284 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: taking receivers, it made sense to me that they didn't 285 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: look at outside linebacker edge rushier early on day three. 286 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: My thinking is, if you could have if it lined 287 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: up and you wanted to take an edge rusher on 288 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: day one, you take one. You look at the history. 289 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: That's where you're gonna find your biggest playmakers. But the 290 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: Packers have been down this road in the middle rounds, 291 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: taking edge rushers in recent years, Kyler Facral, Vince Bagel 292 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: who had his you know, rookie season basically wiped out 293 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: by those two foot surgeries. They've been there before. So 294 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing. And maybe there's a 295 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: big gem waiting out there, but I have a hard 296 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: time believing they were going to draft a guy on 297 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: in the fourth, late in the fourth or early in 298 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: the fifth that was gonna come in and push to 299 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: be that top guy in the rotation. It takes time 300 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: to develop that position. And secondly, just want to mention 301 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: this too. We got spoiled a little bit from fourteen 302 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: to sixteen with Julius Peppers and Matthews and Perry and 303 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: Nick Mike Neil and Dayton Jones when he had some 304 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: success there. It was really deep and outside Russia. But 305 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: I've been covering this team long enough to remember when 306 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: Dom Capers was making do with Desmond Moses and and 307 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: Frank Zombo and mar Latimore, undrafted guys that didn't have 308 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: any accolades whatsoever, and we're starting games for the Packers. 309 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: So yes, comparatively, is this group as deep as it 310 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: wasn't from fourteen sixteen? It's not. But I get kind 311 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: of worn out by the narrative that the Packers don't 312 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: have an outside Russian, you know, contingent. If you could 313 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: find a guy early and you want to take them 314 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: and develop them, go for it. But otherwise I think 315 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: finding a guy like Donnerdson late in the draft is 316 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: kind of the way to go because he has some 317 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: really unique traits that you can develop and adam into 318 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: that mix with the four guys that are returning at 319 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: that position that all had regular game experience last season. Yeah, 320 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. As far as the Packers, 321 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: my expectations the last couple of years were in terms 322 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: of taking an edge rusher much higher. Have to do 323 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: with more the long term future. Because Clay Matthews was 324 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: drafted in two thousand nine, Nick Perry was drafted in 325 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve. Those are your two guys on 326 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: the front lines right now, and both of them you 327 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: would probably have to say, are are in the back 328 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: half of the Yeah, exactly, and that that's that's where 329 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: That's where my point was, and and as far as 330 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: the teen packers are packers are concerned, I don't think 331 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: Brian Goudakuntz is necessarily done at outside Russia. We saw 332 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: what happened last year when suddenly a Mod Brooks, a 333 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: veteran from the San Francisco forty Niners and their old 334 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: three four scheme became available. Now, unfortunately he had some 335 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: injuries and and probably didn't contribute as much as everybody 336 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: was hoping. But there's possibly a veteran move like that 337 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: out there as well for the Packers to provide a 338 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: little bit of boost to this position. Yeah, you definitely 339 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: think that that could be in the cards again, just 340 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: because of guys who end up getting cut for salary 341 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: cap reasons, or you bring in another prospect that you 342 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: really like and you don't want to move on somewhere else. 343 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: And then also as we get these undrafted free agents 344 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: later in this week, Mike, let's remember that, you know, 345 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of guys that have pushed for 346 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: playing time in the past. I think a guy like 347 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Chris odom is also one to watch in addition to 348 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: Reggie Gilbert, based on what he did last season. Of 349 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: the year. But Odom also basically took a red shirt 350 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: season after having to come to Green Bay with no 351 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: off season, with no training camp, learning how to be 352 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: an outside linebacker slash defensive end in Atlanta, and then 353 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: having to play the position in Green Bay. So those 354 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: four young guys, Gilbert Beagle, factrol and and Uh and Odom, 355 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: really want to see them push and then see again 356 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: if if someone else, another veteran or somebody might come 357 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: in along the line. Yeah. Also, no tight end selected, 358 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: which was a little surprising to me. In the eleven picks, 359 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: and the word was that, you know, there was there 360 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: was some depth that tight end to find some guys 361 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: in the middle rounds. The Packers ended up not taking one. 362 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: And you know, you've got Jimmy Graham and Lance Kendricks 363 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: on the top of that depth chart. You have two 364 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: really really young, unproven guys, and Emmanuel Bird and Robert 365 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: tonyan Um below them. I thought the Packers were going 366 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: to going to fill something in there with the draft, 367 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: but but they didn't. And um, you know, we'll see. 368 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: I was really thinking they would because everything I was 369 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: reading was that there were a lot of tight end 370 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: prospects that we're going to get picked. The same reason 371 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: you mentioned about wanting to draft an outside linebacker applies 372 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: the tight end. It takes time to develop that position, 373 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: which is why I was saying it going into this thing. 374 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: It makes sense to potentially look at a guy Packers 375 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: feel comfortable where they are though, and you know, taking 376 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: Graham and Kendricks and seeing what happens as far as 377 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: that third spot. All right, Well, with that, we will 378 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: go to another break back with more on Packers Unscripted 379 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford 380 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: alongside West hodkowits West. Quickly, before we go, I want 381 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: to step away from the draft talk for a minute 382 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: and just address the annual NFL Network Top one hundred 383 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: series Top one hundred players in the league for the 384 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: coming year, voted on at the end of last year 385 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: by the players themselves. The first twenty and what I 386 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: mean by that is from number one hundred up to 387 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: number eighty one, were revealed Monday night on NFL Network. 388 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: The Packers actually had four guys in that mix. Um. 389 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: The one, uh, you know who stands out the most 390 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: is that David Botr came in at number first time 391 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: he has made the top one hundred list. Should have 392 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: made it sooner, but he's in there now. He has 393 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: and you give credit to box Tr joked on Twitter 394 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: afterwards that now he has to get up twenty two 395 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: more spots. I believe it is to get to number 396 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: sixty nine, which is what he ultimately once out of 397 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: this thing. Obviously his number, but Jimmy Graham also included 398 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: in that Mike Daniels once again makes it for the 399 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: third straight year. I would argue you on one point. Obviously, 400 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: kudos to bak Tr for making it. I think the 401 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: biggest one, though, was ha ha. Clinton Dicks, based on 402 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: what he said on social media afterwards, goes he's comes 403 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: in at number one hundred. He was seventy seven last 404 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: year and acknowledged afterwards. He tweeted about it that it 405 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: wasn't his best year, and you know he's gonna take that. 406 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: He's gonna accept it. He's thankful that he's considered among 407 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: those top upper echelon of players in this league, but 408 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: he wants to prove that he can be a perennial 409 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: All Pro and a guy that's a true difference maker 410 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: in this league. And I think out to everything Mike 411 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: that happened in two thousand seventeen. Unrelated to Aaron Rodgers. 412 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: The motivation for ha Ha Clinton Dicks, I think is 413 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: gonna be one of the biggest storylines to follow. Certainly 414 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: you can talk about him being an upcoming free agent, 415 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: but I think more than that, this is a really 416 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: prideful guy and he wants to show everybody what he 417 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: can bring on a year weekend, day out basis. And 418 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: I think haa Clinton dis internally is a guy who 419 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: feels like he has a lot to prove in two 420 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, Yeah, and he wants to be a leader 421 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: on this defense. He wants to be a leader on 422 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: this team. And certainly no disrespect to Morgan Burnett and 423 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: those two got along quite well, both of them, you know, 424 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: in leadership positions. But with Burnett now gone, Clinton Dick 425 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: sees this and he mentioned it when he spoke with 426 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: the media on the first day of the offseason program, 427 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: this is my spot to step into, you know. He 428 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: he's it's not just it's not just the on field 429 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: play that he wants to ratchet up a little bit, 430 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: but it's it's also, uh, it's also the leadership aspect 431 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: in the locker room, in the meeting room, all that 432 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: he wants to be a guy that that everybody on 433 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: this defense looks to as an example. Yeah, and Mike, 434 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: it's interesting and you've covered this team for a long 435 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: time as well. But sometimes you get guys like Clay 436 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: Matthews who just walk in, They come in the room 437 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: from day one their rookie season. Sometimes you though, you 438 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: have these guys like ha ha, Clinton Dix. He reminds 439 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: me a lot of Casey Hayward. Remember Hayward in two 440 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: thousand twelve was really sure of himself in front of 441 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: the media, was always kind of nervous when the cameras 442 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: came on. If you turn on that tape from his 443 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: last year in two thousand fifteen. The role that he 444 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: stepped into both in that meeting room but in the 445 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: locker room as well. Clinton Dix really reminds me a 446 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: lot of that. This is a guy that has stepped out. 447 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: He understands his role, He understands that young players look 448 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: to him for leadership, and that his words, what he 449 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: says publicly, it really brings it can send home a 450 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: message to the people around you, and I think that's 451 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: something that watching him grow over the last four years, 452 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: it's been a really intriguing thing to watch in addition 453 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: to his maturity on the field. Yeah, we'll see what 454 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: other Packers players here over the next several weeks potentially 455 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: crack the top one. Obviously, Aaron Rodgers will be in 456 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: there somewhere, who knows where, coming off of the injury. 457 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: H Clay Matthews might be in there as well, and 458 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: Davante Adams I think has a good chance to crack 459 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: it for the first time. But with that, we are 460 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: going to sign off on Packers Unscripted. Be sure to 461 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team on Packers 462 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: dot com on Twitter. He's at west Hot, I'm at 463 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for 464 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: tuning in, Everybody'll you next time. M HM.