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Speaker 1: Owning everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's stee J M V Charlamagne to God. We are

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Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We got some special guests in the buildings, some legends,

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Speaker 4: Of course, we got the Roots Black Thought and Quest

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Speaker 4: Love Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Everybody is black from the roots.

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Speaker 1: They've been up here before.

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Speaker 2: And we got another icon that's never been up here before,

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Speaker 2: the legendary icon L L cool J Welcome Queen Tim

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Speaker 2: his first time.

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Speaker 1: First time LL stand for a living legend at this point,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that absolutely, absolutely. So let's first start with

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Speaker 1: you know, why you guys are here together, because people

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Speaker 1: are like, well, why is LL and the Roots together?

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Speaker 1: So you guys are going on the road on the tour. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so how did this all come about?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 5: Who's whose version?

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Speaker 3: Really? Who ensure?

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Speaker 6: You know, the planet Center stars sort of aligned themselves

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Speaker 6: and and you made it possible for us to work

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Speaker 6: together on this huge segment that we did for the

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Speaker 6: Grammys this year. And I think you know, from that

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Speaker 6: the idea of us always having wanted to, you know,

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Speaker 6: the collaborative path and it was like, Yo, why don't

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Speaker 6: we try to.

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Speaker 3: Take this show on the road.

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Speaker 5: It was huge.

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Speaker 6: What we did just in that one fifteen minute segment

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Speaker 6: was so huge for the culture. And you know, this

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Speaker 6: being hip hop's fiftieth anniversary, and you know that that

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Speaker 6: whole deal, it made sense to try and you know,

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Speaker 3: You know, from region to region. You know.

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Speaker 2: The great thing about hip hop fifty is a lot

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Speaker 2: of these stories that we haven't heard or that we've

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Speaker 2: heard whispers are coming to light like and you're starting

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Speaker 2: to see more and more and more and more videos.

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Speaker 2: I was online yesterday and it was just random because

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Speaker 2: I DJ for Havoc the other night in Queen's Bridge,

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Speaker 2: me because it's Queen's Bridge and it's Havoc right when

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Speaker 2: he did shook Ones. I just seen the original and

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Speaker 2: I'm just googling, and then I see a video of

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Speaker 2: quest Love looking at Jazzy Jeff play the original right

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Speaker 2: and go through the samples. And then I was looking

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Speaker 2: at another video the other day and it was talking

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Speaker 2: studio when he wrote.

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Speaker 3: Who shot you?

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Speaker 7: I shot you?

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Speaker 3: I shot shot you? Who shot you?

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Speaker 2: And then I was talking about another another video I seen,

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Speaker 2: and somebody was saying.

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Speaker 1: That Biggie had beef with the Roots back then. So

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Speaker 1: because people can't hear, these stories are amazing, can we

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Speaker 1: put that one to rescue ones in ball the Biggie beef?

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Speaker 1: People don't know, like the the Goots from different strip right,

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Speaker 1: It's just you know, you could tell it was like

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Speaker 5: No, it was never And even when.

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Speaker 8: Y'all did the video for what they do, I think

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Speaker 8: people don't realize all of hip hop, well not all

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, And folks didn't like that at the time.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I mean you know it was a choice.

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Speaker 3: You know some people did, did y'all?

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Speaker 5: That's not good, y'all, y'all are to.

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Speaker 6: Did we catch any flax from there? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 6: Big was so chill man.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Big was a huge Roots fan and

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Speaker 6: Anybody that I ever met from Junior Mafia, Little SE's,

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Speaker 6: So he definitely he did feel a way. But I mean,

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Speaker 6: Because he didn't feel enough of a way to feel played.

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Speaker 6: But what he did was he did an interview. I

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Speaker 6: can't remember what publication it was, but he did. He

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Speaker 3: He like, I'm a huge roots fan. I'm not going

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Speaker 6: But then he said that, but I can't speak for Brooklyn,

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Speaker 6: Had a chance to you know, to resolve it, you know,

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Speaker 6: because it was it was stupid, you.

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Speaker 7: Know what I mean, you never regret doing that video.

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Speaker 3: I didn't regret doing a video I just you know,

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Speaker 3: I just wish I had been more informed, you know,

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Speaker 1: At the time, like I will say, like I was

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Speaker 1: It was more like, all right, where do we stand?

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Speaker 1: Or this is what we do? And it didn't even

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Speaker 6: It looks that way you could say you had to know,

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Speaker 6: but not like we. We didn't we literally, you know

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Speaker 6: the I'm not always abreast with you know what I mean,

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Speaker 6: Like the I mean for for you know, just kind

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Speaker 6: on what's going on with you. I don't be I

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Speaker 6: don't know your video set being you know what I'm saying, respectfully,

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Speaker 3: For just this one scene. And you know, I had

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Speaker 6: I was like, why would I try to single out

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Speaker 3: That that that just doesn't speak to my character.

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Speaker 4: Now, lady ladies, love cool James.

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Speaker 2: Now, what what got you into We're gonna start you

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Speaker 2: is what I want to do?

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Speaker 3: You know into the mic? Can you can you hear me?

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Speaker 5: Yep? So you know when those first wave of tapes

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Speaker 5: be somebody, you know what I'm saying. The world looks

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Speaker 5: bragging and I'm boasting, what I'm really doing is saying, hey,

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Speaker 5: So for me, that was, you know, a real special

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Speaker 8: Do you consider yourself a founding father of hip hop?

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Speaker 8: Because you know, people always gonna say, you know, cool her,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So so I'm you know, I'm definitely generation one

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Speaker 5: was the Theodore They're due. The thing that myself from

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Speaker 5: And that was the difference. So they they brought it.

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Speaker 6: And I think I think from from a Philadelphia standpoint too,

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Speaker 6: It was like, you know, like again, I was a

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Speaker 6: huge fan of all the other founding fathers, but they

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Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And when I saw a run jam

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Speaker 6: Master j L, they looked like the corner boys. Like

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Speaker 6: you know that that's where a lot of the inspiration

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Speaker 6: for me to do what I what I do came from.

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Speaker 3: Not to mention you know, ella.

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Speaker 1: You know, L is very modest, but L literally invented

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Speaker 1: what I call postmodern hip hop, like the three minute

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Speaker 1: seven verses, you know what I mean. Like LL literally

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Speaker 3: So I love rap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like literally emotions on rep Like he's he's pioneered

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Speaker 3: It's like it well black thought, killsh it again on

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Speaker 5: No, but it's lots of given.

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Speaker 1: But what you're saying, it's like that, and oftentimes think

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Speaker 8: So you think because people are prison of the moment,

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Speaker 1: It's not and people just don't look at it as art.

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Speaker 5: And that's the thing, like we have to.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's the one lesson I learned, especially like in

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 1: I think what we need to do, especially as whatever stages.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say elder statesman because hip hop

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Speaker 7: Oh geez, yeah, I take it off.

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Speaker 3: I take other statesmen.

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Speaker 1: So that said, it's like we need to collectively like

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Speaker 1: take it for granted. So like he's in fine form,

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Speaker 5: And you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Was gonna ask when when you you talked about deaf Jam.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about that.

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Speaker 2: When they when they came to you with a contract

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean talk about that for you know,

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Speaker 5: you know, you got to remember that. So, so deaf

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Speaker 5: Cham was a production company. There was no label. Okay,

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Speaker 5: It's Yours by Tila Rock was on Party Times street

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Speaker 5: Wise label. It was deaf Cham Productions, which was Rick

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Speaker 5: was the producer along with Jazzy J. And it was

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Speaker 5: so it was it was more than a contract. They

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Speaker 5: were actually forming a label. Rick was having a problem,

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Speaker 7: So they wanted to start this new thing.

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Speaker 5: So you know that first contract, you know, at the time,

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Speaker 7: They gave me like fifty thousand.

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Speaker 5: But but before that, actually, my first single I ever made,

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Speaker 5: I didn't have a contract when I made I Need

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Speaker 5: a Beat, which was the very first song I ever made.

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Speaker 5: I had no contract. It was just like, yo, let's

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes you gotta be willing to crawl over the barb

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Speaker 5: wire fence with no shirt on, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 7: So I did that and then, you know, with no

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. By the end of the story,

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Speaker 3: I have one hundred lls. I'm number six already.

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Speaker 7: That was what it was. And you know it wasn't Listen, man.

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Speaker 3: How old were you at this point?

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Speaker 5: Sixteen? I was sixteen when I mean yeah, when we

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Speaker 5: you know, when I may rock the bells or sixteen seventeen.

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Speaker 5: You know, why do people see so much about why

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Speaker 5: people seem way more mature back because I was like

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Speaker 5: kind of like in that that Kobe kind of you know,

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Speaker 5: the pros as opposed to like kid rappers, like you

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Speaker 5: do have kid rappers who are fifteen sixteen and their

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Speaker 7: I wasn't that I was ready for the big leagues.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Because you were out in

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Speaker 4: You've seen what was going on.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's queen was ed.

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Speaker 5: Was a bunch of hosts and put that out.

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Speaker 3: Yo.

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Speaker 7: Now you know what it was is that all of

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Speaker 7: my I was listening to my heroes.

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Speaker 5: I was listening to the dudes that was really spitting

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Speaker 5: and it was going hard and there was no holding back.

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Speaker 5: And you don't get that. You don't get the right.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: One thing about the inner city that's funny is like

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Speaker 5: once you walk out on the block, you really don't

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Speaker 5: get an opportunity to be a little kid.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, we're gonna

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Speaker 5: treat you, sir where you get. You got. You had

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Speaker 5: Everybody else is like and what So when I stepped

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Speaker 5: stepped in the ring of hip hop, it was just yo,

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Speaker 5: this is what it is, you know. So I just

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Speaker 5: went for it, man, and I love it so much.

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Speaker 5: I signed a ten album deal. What yeah, and it

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Speaker 5: was it was I remember going home saying to my mother, MA,

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Speaker 5: And I blew through them ten albums like nothing. And see,

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Speaker 5: see the thing when you do it for love, the

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Speaker 5: rest of everything else happens. Remember when you see people

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Speaker 5: in the in the in the locker room after the

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Speaker 5: NBA Championship and they got the cigars in the champagne,

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Speaker 5: that's because they loved the game all day life and

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Speaker 5: they really worked hard and they really had fun. The

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Speaker 5: contracts in the champagne and the cigars come later. So

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Speaker 5: all of the things that all of the accolades that

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Speaker 5: people see me with, that's because I love it so much.

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Speaker 5: I didn't get into this to get paid, even and

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Speaker 5: I did get paid. Did you ever feel like you

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Speaker 5: should have had like equity and depth Jam? I did

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Speaker 5: have equity in Death Jam. I did have equity and

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Speaker 5: Death Jam. I just sold it a little early. But

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Speaker 5: I definitely had ownership in Death Jam, ownership in Foobu.

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Speaker 5: You know, I have ownership in NCIS Los Angeles, ownership

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Speaker 5: and lip Sync.

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Speaker 7: Battle I have.

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Speaker 5: You know, I own my catalog, you know, like so

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Speaker 5: the things that I do, you know, I did well,

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Speaker 5: but I didn't do it for the money.

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Speaker 2: And where did you get the business mind from? Was

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: Where did you get that? Because I don't think a

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Speaker 5: Up, you know what? You know what I've learned man?

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Speaker 5: You know, like, and people may have heard me say

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Speaker 5: this before. You know, if a homeless man tell you

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Speaker 5: because you might get ran over. A lot of times

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Speaker 5: people are like, yo, yo. A lot of people are like, yo,

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Speaker 5: you homeless?

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Speaker 3: What do you know? All right?

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Speaker 5: Brown today in the news. So it's like, so so

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Speaker 5: the business thing I learned from people before me and

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Speaker 5: after me, I hear, oh oh, you know you just

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Speaker 5: stay cheerious and then you ask questions and then being

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Speaker 5: blessed by the grace of God to be so successful

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Speaker 5: for so long that I got a lot of bites

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Speaker 5: at the apples, so at the apples, So any mistakes

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Speaker 5: corrected because I just, you know, because of the amount

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, because you got to remember,

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Speaker 5: I've been professional since eighty four, professional now in terms

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Speaker 5: a matter of just being curious. You know, reading is

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Speaker 5: my hobby, you know what I'm saying. That's always been

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Speaker 1: That was the Monica Ladies Love cool j Right. Did

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Speaker 1: you always feel like these dudes gonna think I'm sweet?

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I have to have these these rhyms

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Speaker 5: The Ladies Love cool Ja thing was just wish for thinking.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm fifteen on one girls, I'm Ladies love

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Speaker 5: cool Jack. It was. It wasn't really that ended up

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Speaker 5: not being true. It didn't have to be that like

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Speaker 5: people took that a little. It just kind of worked out.

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Speaker 5: Let ill cool Jack. I hope lady, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 7: But you never rebelled against the sex symbol image. I

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I made I need love because I

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Speaker 5: like girls. I made like rock the bells because I

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Speaker 5: like to do the hard ship. You know, I don't

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Speaker 5: I don't have I don't understand really, you know, like

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Speaker 5: for like me growing up, I like girls, right, so

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Speaker 5: I don't understand like what we're really talking about when

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Speaker 5: you think about it, like what are we talking about?

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Speaker 5: Like if we're in the car, Like we're not going

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Speaker 5: to talk about no girls, we're not doing that. You're

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Speaker 5: not with that, y'all don't want to go to that state?

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Speaker 3: What should we do?

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Speaker 5: Should we play corners in the car like the whole time,

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Speaker 5: whole ride, like how you know, how we move? So

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Speaker 5: that's why I never had a problem with that, and I,

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Speaker 5: you know, and then leading that.

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Speaker 7: It's all love, you know, I don't have no.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important though, because it's like what what

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Speaker 1: you aren't allowed to do that in the hood because

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you anyone.

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Speaker 5: You know, you know what question honestly, let me tell

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Speaker 5: me tell you something that like that shit, you know,

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Speaker 5: doing putting I.

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Speaker 3: Need love out of me.

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Speaker 5: Doing love songs is the equivalent of me walking into

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Speaker 5: it's what it is. You know what I'm saying. So

442
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,679
Speaker 5: there is no nervous noodle like with that. Like it

443
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 5: ain't even about that. Like I don't even think that way,

444
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 5: because my thing is, here's here's the strength isn't doing

445
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,919
Speaker 5: what you want to do artistically.

446
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 1: That's where the strength is. I do what I want

447
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 1: to do artistically.

448
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 5: I don't do what they say I should do because

449
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 5: then I'm not being me.

450
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm fronting. I'm being somebody else. Right, So I don't

451
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,160
Speaker 1: even think like that. That's why I.

452
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 5: Could be in a picture smiling. Don't make me feel weak,

453
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 5: you know, go do a TV.

454
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 3: Show, cessiment street. I've done it too right.

455
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 5: We can do all that right.

456
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 7: We could do these things right because you don't limit yourself.

457
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 5: See I think that you know, and I just say,

458
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,640
Speaker 5: just a lot of young men in general, never limit.

459
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 7: Yourself to to to the to.

460
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 5: The what others, the perception of what other people think

461
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 5: you should be, right, don't limit yourself to that be yourself, right?

462
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 2: Does that have a body with both of y'all that

463
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, yell are so legendary and hip hop, but

464
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: people might not look at you as a rapper. They

465
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 2: might just look at you as an actor, or people

466
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 2: might not look at y'all as the roots as in

467
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 2: a group, but just the guys we're banned for to

468
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 2: night with people the younger generation especially, No, I.

469
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 6: Think I think there's value in that we've been able

470
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 6: to reinvent ourselves in a way that you know, like

471
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 6: our brand has had, you know, different iterations, different complete

472
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 6: just lie. So the fact that yeah, we've been on

473
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 6: you know TV every day for the past fifteen years,

474
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 6: it's a whole demo. They only know us from that,

475
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 6: so that leaves a whole new space for them to

476
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 6: explore when they discover our body of work.

477
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 3: And then there's people who've been die hard fans.

478
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 6: Of you know, l L and the Roots forever, who

479
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 6: you know, may have lost track of our musical contributions

480
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 6: along the way. So I just appreciate the chance to

481
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 6: sort of keep reintroducing myself. Me and Elle was just

482
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 6: talking about how you know, you just pop out every

483
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 6: now and then as an artist to shut shit down

484
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 6: with those little, you know, not not so general reminders.

485
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And you're good, and that's

486
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: sort of how we navigate the space.

487
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,199
Speaker 5: And you know, the way I look at it is

488
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 5: it's just an opportunity, you know what I'm saying. It's

489
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 5: a beautiful opportunity to put you up on something new.

490
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 5: And if you don't know, to come find out, come

491
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 5: to the show. You know what I'm saying. That's why

492
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 5: we're on tour. You can come see some music. It's

493
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 5: multi generational, you know, just like the festival, multi generational.

494
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 5: So come out to the tour, come to the Force tour,

495
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 5: see what we're doing. You know what I'm saying, Get

496
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 5: put onto something new.

497
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 7: That simple. You know what I'm saying. If you don't know,

498
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 7: come find out.

499
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 8: And I think, you know, as media personalities, I feel

500
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 8: like we got to do a better job of preserving

501
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 8: those legacies. Yeah, you know, because there's been times I've

502
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 8: I've critiqued LL's like a freestyle.

503
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 4: You might have did he want to box out of you?

504
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 4: He did?

505
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 8: But you know what I'm saying, But what I realized

506
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 8: in that is, people would hear that and not realize

507
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 8: that LLLL got a whole catalog, Like there's no way

508
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 8: you can ever say ll cool J is whack. He's

509
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 8: one of the coin the term goat. Of course he's

510
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 8: an icon, he's one of the greatest of all time.

511
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 8: But sometimes the younger generation don't know that. If they

512
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 8: hear us critiquing something.

513
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, shaw I put it to you

514
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 5: like this, And I will say, I'm not even tripping

515
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 5: off of that, because the reality is, you know, every

516
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 5: now and then, you're gonna miss a dunk, you know

517
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

518
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 7: So you know, if I miss a dunk, it'll be

519
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 7: a highlight. But I got some good.

520
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 5: Ones, you know, so so maybe I'm and if you

521
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 5: step into the ring right, and I'm talking about like

522
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 5: in music or art or anything, right, like if you're

523
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 5: gonna win championships, you know, great box, you're gonna get

524
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 5: punched in the face. So you're gonna miss some it

525
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 5: is what I'm saying. So you know, the critique ain't

526
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 5: necessarily wrong. It's all right for you to you know,

527
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 5: say what you feel. You know what I'm saying. It's

528
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 5: a matter of you know, my job is just to

529
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 5: give people consistent Like this new album I did that

530
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 5: that that Q Tip executive produced. I look forward to

531
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 5: introducing that to the world and looking at that hearing

532
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 5: your you know, your critique and your your you know,

533
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 5: your opinions of.

534
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 7: It, like this is the thing we got to do. Like,

535
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,239
Speaker 7: my my goal is this.

536
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 5: I just want to show people that you can have

537
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 5: a career that last decades and decades and decades at

538
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 5: the highest level.

539
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 7: I want to show people what's possible.

540
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 5: You know, in hip hop, we haven't had somebody who

541
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 5: started from the beginning and went to another level you

542
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 5: know this many years later. So this is a very

543
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 5: unique thing that we're dealing with. So it's new to

544
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 5: all of us. You never dealt We never dealt with

545
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 5: a LLL cool JA. You have the roots band and

546
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 5: like these like this is a whole num the level.

547
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 8: Now, that's why I think you, I actually think you're

548
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 8: above critique. I'm not even I think we're one of

549
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 8: those people that you can't critique.

550
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 7: J has done it, He's home already.

551
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 5: I think I think everybody can be critique. You know

552
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I think that I'm not immune to critique.

553
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 5: I will say this though, you know, I put a

554
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 5: lot of work in and I got a lot of

555
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 5: I got you know, a lot of hardware, and you know,

556
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 5: you know, but Wikipedia is pretty long, you know what

557
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

558
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: So it's like you got rhymes at the hood that beautiful,

559
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: which this told.

560
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 7: Me happening without the writer strike in Hollywood.

561
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely it was.

562
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean we planned it sort of around like our

563
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: breaks that would have happened during the Foulon period, but have.

564
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 5: One week okay, ok, yeah, because we both was working

565
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 5: and and that was why it really made so much sense.

566
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 7: You know, is it true that Jimmy Fallon is paying

567
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 7: the staff out of pocket? Why, y'all stripe?

568
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: Uh, that's a question.

569
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: Let me check my check, Let me check my bank

570
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 4: account right now.

571
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 3: Now, I got like nineteen other jobs. It's not like money,

572
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 3: you know, No, no one, no one.

573
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 5: Is getting paid. Uh. After that, that's kind of a myth.

574
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 8: And this may be a stupid question, But what changed

575
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 8: your life more Hollywood or hip hop? We know hip

576
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 8: hop changed your life and it probably would be no

577
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 8: Hollywood without it, But what has elevated your lives more?

578
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: I will say For me personally, hip hop has definitely

579
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: changed my life. Like I grew up in the house

580
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: with three thousand records that I didn't like in the beginning,

581
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: and then suddenly I'm starting to listen to hip hop, like, wait,

582
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: this is what dad listens to, Like, let me see

583
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: when my dad got over here and so, and that's

584
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 1: what enabled me to sit here today. So it starts

585
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: with really hip hop and our our shared love of it.

586
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: You know, to me, that's hip hip hop is the answer.

587
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 6: I don't know, yeah, yeah, for me, it's definitely a

588
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 6: you know, the same I would say, I would say

589
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 6: hip hop. I mean not only hip hop, but just

590
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 6: the arts right has been my my my saving grace.

591
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: You know.

592
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 6: I come from, you know, just a place and time

593
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 6: where you know so much and so many were lost.

594
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Both my parents have murdered victims.

595
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

596
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 6: My brother institutionalized, spent over thirty years in prison. So

597
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 6: that that's that's where I come from. And that's not

598
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 6: I'm not a you know that that I'm not unique

599
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 6: in that. That's that's everybody on my block, you know. So,

600
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 6: But I also come from a place where it's something

601
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 6: in the water. And you know people who I've seen

602
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 6: invest all their you know, effort and time and energy,

603
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 6: you know to making it.

604
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: You know, Beyond the Block has has done extremely well.

605
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 6: I've seen you know, I've known Wallow you know what

606
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 6: I'm saying in the Meeks and Kevin Harts and you know,

607
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 6: and you know people who have gone on to Philadelphia greatness,

608
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 6: you know Eve and Jill Scott, you know, like people

609
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 6: when when they were still Olympic hopefuls.

610
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: You know. So it's just dope. I mean, that's I

611
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: get a different kind of.

612
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 6: Reassurance and inspiration just coming from where I come from,

613
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.

614
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: And yeah, that really just you know, just lets me

615
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 3: know that the sky is the limit.

616
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 4: Did y'all ever get it to it?

617
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 7: What about you? Hollywood?

618
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 3: Hip hop?

619
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: Oh man, hip hop? I mean hip hop changed my

620
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 5: life and made it amazing. Way before I went to Hollywood,

621
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 5: I was many albums and I was, you know what I.

622
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: Mean, like him.

623
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 6: Hip hop is something that has been this important to

624
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 6: us since before it reached since before there was a

625
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 6: you know, an intersection of hip hop in Hollywood. You know,

626
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 6: hip hop. Hip hop is fifty this year. I'm fifty.

627
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. These brothers are my elders

628
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 6: there little but you know, like me and hip hop

629
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 6: were born.

630
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: Right at the same time, you know what I'm saying.

631
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 6: So I definitely have always felt like, you know, the

632
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 6: culture is my contemporary.

633
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 8: You know what I mean, you're founding father in that

634
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 8: to hell, like as far as like hip hop artists

635
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 8: who moved here, Yeah.

636
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 5: Because you know, like even you know, like we did

637
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 5: Crush Group in eighty five, you know what I'm saying, Like,

638
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 5: you know, my first appearance you know, to the world,

639
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 5: you know, was on a movie screen through hip hop.

640
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 7: So I guess Hollywood has been there all along for me.

641
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 5: Did Wildcatching eighty I've been like thirty forty movies, you

642
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.

643
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: But it's you know, listen, man, I love the culture,

644
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I do this because

645
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: I love it. I could have took my ball and

646
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: went home along time ago.

647
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask, was there any at any point

648
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: of any of your lives did y'all lose love for

649
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 4: hip hop?

650
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 2: Maybe it was the sound change, maybe it was it

651
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: wasn't received the right way, or maybe it was I'm

652
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: getting money over here.

653
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: Was there any time at that at all for me?

654
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 5: No, because I'm getting money over here has nothing to

655
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: do with loving hip hop.

656
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 7: You know that it has nothing to do with that.

657
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 7: You know, I don't.

658
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: I don't.

659
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 5: I don't do I don't make rap music and do

660
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: hip hop culture and rock the bells and all this

661
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 5: to make money to survive.

662
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 7: Rather, you know, I do it because I love it

663
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 7: and I get.

664
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: Paid doing it.

665
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: But I would say, well, I will say that, you know,

666
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: there's times if you're creative and your passion turns into

667
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: your livelihood, that sometimes you might have to leave it

668
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: for a second. I mean, there definitely been moments where,

669
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: like you know, like he and I have put since

670
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: ninety three, probably somewhere between one hundred and fifty to

671
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: two hundred shows a year, you know what I mean,

672
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: from ninety three up until like when we start fouing

673
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, like our lives was on a

674
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: tour bus, and you know, the grass is always green

675
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: on the other side, and so during the tonight show

676
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: allowed us especially to see what other magical powers we had,

677
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: like I didn't know, like, oh, I could write books,

678
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: and both of us are professors at NYU. You know,

679
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: he wrote a play, I did a movie and all

680
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: those other things. So a small team man, not more

681
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: than spart just curious, like we're I think all of

682
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: us are creatives. And that's that's the thing, Like we're

683
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: creatives that are discovering that sometimes our talent is transferable

684
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: to other mediums. In avenue like Tarik, you think of

685
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: that hot ninety seven freestyle, he is a better chef.

686
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: He's a better cook than that freestyle. That's how I'll

687
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: put him against any three micheline star chef or black

688
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: grandmother or whatever.

689
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: About to have my now for real, Like he's the king?

690
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: Is Gordon Ramsey? You wanted to smoke? Now?

691
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: He is getting up before m Yes, you know I.

692
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 6: Think I cad. I catered for the roost other night. Yeah,

693
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 6: I brought a bunch of grubs to the up to

694
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 6: rock the bell. So you I mean you're go ahingad

695
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 6: and tell him what I brought?

696
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

697
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Yes, everything from crab legs to lobster to Colin Greens

698
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: to like his cookie.

699
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 5: But that's what I'm saying, Like his check all the

700
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 5: box you left the Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love the

701
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 5: Chillings on the grid.

702
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 7: A moment in your careers where y'all questioning things though.

703
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 6: Well, you know, yeah, definitely there have been many moments, uh,

704
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 6: you know where I've questioned you know, myself and where

705
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 6: we've questioned ourselves, you know, I mean as a collective,

706
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 6: and you know, in those moments of pause, that's when

707
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 6: you're able to answer the call and I think, you know,

708
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 6: you just get those bursts of of clarity. And it's

709
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 6: been a blessing that we've been able to reinvent ourselves,

710
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 6: you know, because yeah, you know, I just like I

711
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 6: was saying, I would be making music. I would be

712
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 6: writing songs and you know, creating art, whether I was

713
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 6: able to you know, support myself and my family off

714
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 6: it or not. So it's it's a blessing, like you know,

715
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 6: I mean, the plus is that I'm also able to

716
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 6: make a career out of it, you know what I'm saying.

717
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 6: But yeah, there's been times that I've questioned, you know,

718
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 6: like what the next chapter would look like, or what

719
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 6: the next you know, sort of act like act three

720
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: of my career, you know, am I gonna be able

721
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 6: to swing another you know, reinvention and yeah, you know

722
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 6: it's you.

723
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: You.

724
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 6: It is those moments when you sort of listen to

725
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 6: the universe and you go with your heart and and

726
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 6: things become more clear.

727
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: You know, I was gonna ask you what hip hip hop?

728
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 7: Do you have a question? Things?

729
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, listen, man, There's always gonna be a

730
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 5: time in life where you have doubts and you have concerns,

731
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 5: and you have insecurities, and you feel like uncomfortable or

732
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 5: discomfort about certain things. But like like Tarik said, you know,

733
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 5: answering that call and following your intuition, following that that

734
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 5: small voice inside of you and go for it. You know,

735
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 5: you can't be fearful in life. You can't be scary

736
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 5: and you the person that has to be able to

737
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 5: you have to be able to trust the most is yourself.

738
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 5: And you have to be able to trust yourself in

739
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 5: moments when you are susceptible to fear and weakness, and

740
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: you just have to find that strength and keep moving through.

741
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: Like you got.

742
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 7: What is the ll cool JA in security?

743
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 5: Well, it would be like maybe, Okay, it's been a

744
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: thousand years, should I make another album?

745
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 4: Them?

746
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 7: Do I make another album, should.

747
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: I go on the road. You haven't done this, you

748
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: haven't done that. You know.

749
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: The other day, you know, Sway asked me to rhyme,

750
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 5: like do you do you say the rhyme like their

751
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 5: little things that you know what I'm saying, You know

752
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 5: what I mean? You know, you know, you know what

753
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 5: I mean.

754
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 7: Is it a dolphin?

755
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 5: So so you know that's that's But you know, like

756
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: I said, man like, when you want to do something,

757
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 5: when you want to build something, you're gonna deal with

758
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.

759
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 7: You're gonna deal with them feelings.

760
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 5: Like there's people listening to us right now who you know,

761
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 5: are going through things and they're scared, they're on the edge.

762
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 5: You gotta be able to push through that fear. You

763
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: dig like, that's what it is, and that's a part

764
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 5: of being great. You know, Greatness is not about comparing

765
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: yourself to others greatness, other people's greatness. Greatness is about

766
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 5: maximizing your personal potential. That's what makes you great. When

767
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 5: you maximize your potential, you're great, you know what I mean.

768
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: And as he said earlier, like you gotta stop like

769
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: I just started, like the practice of not people pleasing

770
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: and oftentimes we do things in the eyes of like man,

771
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: what's that? And I going to say or I don't know,

772
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: and the second that maybe it comes with being fifty,

773
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: like start your I don't give a fuck face around

774
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: that time we.

775
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 5: Question so so you know, always people always ask me

776
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 5: about that look. Always tell people I'm not a nice guy,

777
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: I'm a good guy. It's a difference, you know what

778
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Like like if if a little old lady

779
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 5: is walking down the street and some god grabs a

780
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 5: pocketbook and you grab the guy and break his nose

781
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 5: and break his arm, you're not a nice guy, but

782
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 5: you're a good guy, you.

783
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

784
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 5: So there's a difference. So in life it's all right

785
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 5: to say no, you know what I'm saying, I'm not

786
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: in this to be nice. I mean it to be good,

787
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And when you so that

788
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 5: goes back to your people please that I'm agreeing with you,

789
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 5: that people please, like you don't have to please people.

790
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 5: What it is is you put your oxygen mask on first,

791
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 5: then you helped the person next to you, right, So

792
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: it's the appropriate selfishness, you know what I'm saying. When

793
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 5: you've beaten people up you felt bad about it depends

794
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 5: on who would be got you?

795
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

796
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 5: Like, you know what I mean, beautiful, I'm saying you

797
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 5: don't feel bad at all.

798
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: You feel phenomenal because because you saved the old lady, right, you.

799
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 5: Feel great like you But but that's not nice if.

800
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: You beat Arlamagne, but you have felt good at that

801
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: time time, Yeah, I'm sure I would have felt.

802
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: Terrible, terrible.

803
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: I gotta ask you.

804
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: We got to discuss the lyrical sparring, right, so you

805
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: have times had been challenged and you threw shots, whether

806
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: it was more d back and day canna bus or

807
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: people even say, oh, have you ever ran into the

808
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: people that you've ever had into a lyrical sparring? And

809
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: is it all jokes and fun now or is it

810
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: still like standolphish?

811
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 7: No, I ain't no standolfish man.

812
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 3: That's a sport. I don't.

813
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 7: I don't have no beef with none of the guys.

814
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: Of course, not beef.

815
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: But is it No? No, I don't.

816
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 5: When I say beef, I'm not talking about like real

817
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 5: street be problem. Like I'm just saying, like I don't

818
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 5: you know, No, I don't have any tension, Okay, there's

819
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 5: there's no I mean some dudes. Look, everybody is different, man,

820
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 5: some people, you know, it really bothers.

821
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: Them, like you know something.

822
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: Like post Jack the Ripper, right or post how you

823
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: like Me?

824
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: Now?

825
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Like were you and mod ever in the room together

826
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: at any of that those periods like I walked out

827
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: on stage of this concert before like I'm crazy, Wait

828
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: what there was.

829
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: No there was no social media. Man, we see each other.

830
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: We laugh.

831
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 7: When you walked nothing.

832
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 6: That's ridiculous kind of l kind of pioneered the move.

833
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but.

834
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 4: Then with cannabis, you know what I mean, have y'all left,

835
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: y'all spoken.

836
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: Brought them out of Barclays when I perform, Remember that's right.

837
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

838
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: You know, I see you and I see see pictures.

839
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, we got the you know we're doing

840
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 5: we got things we're doing now together.

841
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 7: You know what about you and what was what was

842
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 7: you in Hohode? I never understood that one either. That

843
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 7: felt like just ego.

844
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: I really, I honestly couldn't tell you, bro, I have

845
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: no idea. All I know is it's all love. You

846
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like you know, it's we Gucci,

847
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 5: like for real, like you know, you know, listen, man.

848
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 8: Does a conversation make things straight or just over time

849
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 8: and just you realize it wasn't really about nothing.

850
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: They said you at the time that you didn't like

851
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: him as president or death ya, and that's where they

852
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: say it came from.

853
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 7: Dude.

854
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 5: Next question.

855
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 7: Is a question y, y'all in the old street stuff

856
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 7: and the stuff.

857
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: Like yeah, next question, I tell you like this. I

858
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 5: tell you like this man, Listen, listen. You know, at

859
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 5: the end of the day, you know, I got love

860
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 5: for everybody. You know what I'm saying. I just want

861
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 5: to do great things.

862
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

863
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, as a matter of fact,

864
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: I think there's a part in the show where I

865
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: actually get into this stuff a little bit with a freestyle.

866
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: So you know, people should just come to the show

867
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: and check it out. And he how I address it?

868
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 8: What did oil up your ankles, make your TEMs tap?

869
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 8: Mean oil up your ankles, make your TEMs tap?

870
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 7: What did that mean?

871
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 9: Put a legs in there? Got you?

872
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 5: He didn't understand.

873
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: He didn't understand that.

874
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 5: On Skeevy he was like, He's like, we've never heard

875
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 5: Skeve before.

876
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 3: I'm like me, that's me and top Fight running round

877
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: like ship me and Top Fight. You know what I mean.

878
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: It's all good.

879
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 8: Okay, are you done with movies? Because it's been like

880
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 8: and I just this just came to my my radar.

881
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 8: It's been ten years.

882
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: It's been a long time.

883
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 5: I'm actually I'm actually thinking about I'm looking some scripts

884
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 5: now and I got some things that I'm working on,

885
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 5: you know. I also, you know, I'm gonna be doing

886
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: uh you know at the time, you know, but right now,

887
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 5: I can't really talk about that because there's a strike

888
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 5: going on, so I can't really get into you know

889
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 5: what I'm saying that I want to be supportive of

890
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 5: all my fellow actors and writers out there, so I

891
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 5: can't really get into it, you know what I'm saying.

892
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 7: Let's talk about music.

893
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 8: Then, how do y'all feel about we all celebrating fifty

894
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 8: years of hip hop icons that haven't gotten paid, like

895
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 8: icons that really paved the way, laid this foundation, but

896
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 8: they haven't gotten paid the way they feel like they should.

897
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 5: You know.

898
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: That's the that's the million dollar question in music isustory

899
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: because it happens with blues Artists's happened with my dad's

900
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: O generation and.

901
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, good, no good.

902
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 5: You know, look, I started Rock the Bells as a company, right,

903
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 5: So I gave DJ cooherk equity run DMC has equity,

904
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 5: and Rock the Bell's ownership. Roxanne Chante has ownership, Big

905
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 5: Daddy Kane has ownership, Salt and Pepa has ownership. Yeah.

906
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 5: I gave Eminem actually invested, he wrote a check. He

907
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 5: has some you know, Ernie panacolea the photographer hip hop photographer,

908
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 5: has ownership. I gave you know, quite a few different people,

909
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: Fab five Freddy as ownership. And because we've created such

910
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 5: a high evaluation with Rock the Bells and what that's become,

911
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 5: that equity is going to mean something for them in

912
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: their states. So my why did I answer like that?

913
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: Because my thing is this, you don't get better, you

914
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 5: get better. And instead of like when I felt like,

915
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 5: oh I don't feel like they play my music enough,

916
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 5: I got my own channel, right. But then I decided,

917
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 5: you know what, it's not about me though, It's about

918
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: the culture. So I'm gonna play. I'm not gonna be

919
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: a pig, I'm a flip it. I'm gonna make sure

920
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 5: that I take care of everybody. So with Rock the Bells,

921
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 5: that question is being answered through action. You feel you

922
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 5: feel what I'm saying, and that that's the really the

923
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 5: what it's about, you know what I'm saying.

924
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: So like, but I'll tell you this.

925
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 5: You know, for every sob story that we hear about,

926
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 5: there are a lot of great stories too. Run DMC

927
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 5: are doing phenomenal really well financially, Like there are a

928
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: lot of artists that.

929
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: You know, have come from that era that really did well.

930
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

931
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 7: I see running the grocery store with the fur on

932
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 7: and it's the summer.

933
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 5: Ghost.

934
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

935
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 7: So so look where there's some people out there.

936
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 5: Look what I can say about one thing I can

937
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 5: say about Russell and you know, uh, you know even

938
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 5: le or later is that well Russell and Rick, especially

939
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 5: with that first deal, they didn't bang me out, they

940
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 5: didn't screw me over, they didn't you know, you know,

941
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: like they started it with a fifty fifty published and

942
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: obviously I got it all back now, but even that

943
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 5: start at fifty to fifty could have been zero.

944
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 7: I would assigned for zero, right, So like I think.

945
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: We just got to take graam Mastic cast has equity

946
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: and rock the bells like real ownership, so that that

947
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. So when you see the festival

948
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: and when you see all the things we're doing, and

949
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: when you see all the stuff in the stores and

950
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: all the stuff.

951
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 5: They're gonna they're getting paid. They're gonna get paid from now.

952
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 5: So that's how you deal with that, you know what

953
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 5: I mean, Charlam, That's how you deal with it. You

954
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: don't deal with it by complaining and pulling out the

955
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: world's smallest violin and just talking about how sad it

956
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 5: is that it happened again. You do something about.

957
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: It, you know, I mean.

958
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: Not only there are things that are happening as well

959
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: that well you'll know about later, like a union or

960
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: something you'll hear about it later.

961
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: But you're also hiring DJs too, like in hiring people

962
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: and hiring personalities and hiring people on your show and

963
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: concerts and festivals. Like I speak to a lot of

964
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: DJs that are an older statesman, and they say that,

965
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: you know, Ella is keeping them alive with the mixes

966
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: and the programming and the shows and the tours. And

967
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: that's very important because you know, people have kids, they

968
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: have families, they have.

969
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: We got to take care of each other, you know

970
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like, Yo, let's take care of each other.

971
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 5: That's all Yo. Listen, it's kindergarten. It's really just kindergarten stuff.

972
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: You know.

973
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: Share That's right, you'll be that's another one a little bit.

974
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 5: Here's that one.

975
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: It's real kindergarten. He's my granddad, like that's he's the

976
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: king of every idiom. I wish older man that told.

977
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: Me in my life what that said?

978
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 8: Is there anybody that hasn't gotten credit or light shined

979
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 8: on them that should for what they contributed hip?

980
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 3: I feel like it's a lot of artists.

981
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot, you know, so many, but you know,

982
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: hopefully uh fantastic romantic with what we're doing. Yeah, well

983
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: hopefully what we're doing it'll sort of elevate their their situations.

984
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 8: And I keep seeing Philis four brand Wizard Theodore. You know,

985
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 8: you keep talking about somebody named Hollywood.

986
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: DJ Hollywood was on the festival. Yeah, DJ Hollywood. You

987
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: know he got a show coming to rock the bells.

988
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 5: I mean, so many artists, you know what I'm saying, Listen, man,

989
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 5: all of the cold crush, you know, or you know,

990
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 5: so many of them.

991
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: You know, you think.

992
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 5: About these different guys and people that rock, you know,

993
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 5: Disco Dave, you know Easy Mike, you know, different artists,

994
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 5: different people. Man, this culture is very rich, you know

995
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 5: globe how these these.

996
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 6: Are mister Big who you know largely made their contribution

997
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 6: before there was any you know anything right set up anything, Yeah,

998
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 6: a model set up for you to you know, even

999
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 6: be compensated for your art in that way. So you know,

1000
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 6: folks who I mean, they did it from the muscle

1001
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 6: for the love, you know what I mean, for the

1002
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 6: the art, you know what I'm saying. And you know,

1003
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 6: had it not been for the courage of to feel

1004
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 6: his crew to Meno would be lost.

1005
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: As they say, you know, you know when you look

1006
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: when you look at when you look at those when

1007
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: you look at you know, space X going up in

1008
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: the air, just you know, you know, Sender send a

1009
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: little kiss up in the air for the right brothers.

1010
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1011
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, you just gotta remember, like you

1012
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like they harnessed you know, the

1013
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 5: physics if physics exists existed, you know what I'm saying.

1014
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 5: They figured out how to harness the laws of physics

1015
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 5: that already existed. Once they harnessed it, then people were

1016
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 5: able to take that and elevate it, take it to

1017
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 5: another level. So that's why, that's why the credit for me,

1018
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 5: Like I look at a roots band, and I look

1019
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 5: at how exceptionally talent they are thought as a as

1020
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 5: an mc quest, as a as a drummer and producer,

1021
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: and both of them as artists in general, right, like

1022
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 5: the credibility in art and music, you have to look

1023
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 5: at that.

1024
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 7: The one thing that I would say is what we

1025
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 7: have to be very very careful of.

1026
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 5: Is measuring artistic greatness by the number of commons in

1027
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 5: your bank account. They are not the same thing, and

1028
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 5: that is that we have to be very careful of that.

1029
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 5: The Wright brothers did not have what you know Boeing

1030
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 5: has financially even if you pro rade it go back

1031
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 5: then they don't have that.

1032
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 7: So we have to be more mindful of that.

1033
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: Artists art, and I want hip hop, Like Quest said,

1034
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: hip hop needs to be judged artistically, you know, it's

1035
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: not about like, look, the ability and I've been saying

1036
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: is the ability to be a businessman and an entrepreneur.

1037
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 5: Capture value is very important in society. It's very important

1038
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 5: for what we do. You know what I'm saying, you

1039
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 5: gotta get to the back. That being said, that's not

1040
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 5: the only measurement for art, you know what I'm saying.

1041
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 5: Nobody cares about how much Leonardo da Vinci made off

1042
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 5: the Mona Lisa.

1043
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: We don't even know.

1044
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 7: We don't know. Yeah, we don't have no idea.

1045
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: We just like the painting. So you know what I mean.

1046
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: Do you feel like hip hop has gone there in

1047
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: a nasty place where people are more concerned with the

1048
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: finances and less concern with the actual art.

1049
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1050
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 5: I think with any.

1051
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: Anything that was once in underground or you know, sort

1052
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: of below radar that becomes the mainstream suddenly turns into

1053
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: the thing that it was once against, you know.

1054
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 5: For hip hop.

1055
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: You know, jazz at one point was like an outlawed music.

1056
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: You know, the FBI is shutting everybody down, like jazz

1057
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: was the gangster rap of his day back in the forties.

1058
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: And you know, hip hop was definitely outlaw music in

1059
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, and now like suddenly it's like

1060
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: your grandparents' music. I mean, it's just the evolution of

1061
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: it all. But you know, I was just thinking as

1062
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: a people because we were you know, you're pressed to

1063
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: find any black person that doesn't live in fight or flight,

1064
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, in sort of a panic, and hip hop

1065
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: Woord's like Hustle survived that sort of thing. Like we

1066
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: really weren't ever given a space to be creative or

1067
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: dream or all those things, which you know, these brothers

1068
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: over here like made exceptions to that because they definitely

1069
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: came from environments in which they could have been statistics,

1070
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: you know, but because we allowed ourselves the space to

1071
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: dream in that. So I think at the end of

1072
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: the day, hopefully, especially as a people thing after the pandemic,

1073
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: more and more Black people are getting into like mental

1074
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: health space and that sort of thing.

1075
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: Hopefully the art will change.

1076
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: But you know, hip hop is what it is because

1077
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: you know where we are as a people politically, financially, monetarily,

1078
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: artistically in twenty twenty three, and you see what's happening

1079
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: in the news right now, like it's it's every man for.

1080
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: Itself and that's why we're doing it.

1081
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 5: Like that's why the tour is all about, like just

1082
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 5: doing it official and doing it, just doing cool shit

1083
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 5: and doing stuff that's like really you know official, you

1084
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like like we're not playing Like

1085
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 5: that's why when you come to when you come to

1086
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 5: see us on the road, it's crazy, you know, it's

1087
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 5: really like we're not we're not doing the commercial thing.

1088
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: Yes, we have commercial aspects to the to the show.

1089
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 5: I have commercial some commercial songs in it, but are

1090
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 5: also digging into crates and doing some things that people

1091
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 5: aren't even familiar with and doing things that people haven't

1092
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 5: seen before seen live. So this is an opportunity really

1093
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 5: to get reintroduced to, in my opinion, how hip hop

1094
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 5: originally was supposed to be presented to the world.

1095
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm really presenting it

1096
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 3: that way.

1097
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 8: It's a balance, though, right, because you're not LL cool

1098
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 8: J without those big commercial smashes, right, Like you still.

1099
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 7: Might be an LL cool J, but like you might

1100
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 7: not be the guy we.

1101
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 8: Know in black thought you one of the nicest people

1102
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 8: to ever pick up a microphone, but you necessarily don't

1103
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 8: have the mainstream hit, so people may not recognize that aspect.

1104
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: So it's a balance, right, It is definitely a balance.

1105
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: It is if you know.

1106
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 5: But the thing about what I would add to that

1107
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 5: is that you know, for me, you know, I couldn't

1108
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 5: have made the songs that you're the songs that you're

1109
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 5: referring to, if I didn't have the fundamentals as an MC. See,

1110
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 5: people don't realize the degree of difficulty of creating those

1111
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: kinds of songs. They think the freestyle is harder, but

1112
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: it's not. You know what I'm saying. The difficulty associated

1113
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 5: with creating the level of songs that I created, that's

1114
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 5: you know, if it was that easy, then everybody would

1115
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 5: do it right. So but the difference is because that's

1116
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 5: not all I did because I was really I'm really

1117
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 5: a m C from the ground all the way up,

1118
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 5: all the way up from the beginning. I'm able to

1119
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 5: do those things and still do the other thing. So

1120
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 5: that you know, because if you think about the different

1121
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 5: styles of songs that I made, like you know, you

1122
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 5: have a lot of people who, like you're talking about,

1123
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 5: only familiar with those kinds of records. They don't even

1124
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 5: think about ill Bomb, they don't think about Nitro, they

1125
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 5: don't think about it gets No, they don't think about

1126
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 5: all these other songs. They know a Roundaway Girl and

1127
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 5: I Need Love and Mama said knock you out, which

1128
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 5: is hard of you know doing it. They know those

1129
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 5: songs head Sprung, you know which. By the way, it's

1130
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 5: big Ellie, a big silly, big money big. Really, I

1131
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 5: just want to be They called me big, you know,

1132
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 5: you know.

1133
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: They probably.

1134
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 5: You know for that matter. I mean, when was the

1135
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 5: cool j era?

1136
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: Okay?

1137
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 5: I mean you know you caught yourself what you want

1138
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 5: to call yourself?

1139
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: Right?

1140
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: So now what was your what was your most favorite

1141
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: hip hop moment? All of Yeah, was the most memorable

1142
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: memorable favorite moment?

1143
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: Hmm for me?

1144
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 6: You know, I mean, there's been very many of them.

1145
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I can't take anything away from

1146
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 6: again the Grammys earlier this year.

1147
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: It was phenomenal for me, and not as much.

1148
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like the rehearsals, you know, maybe

1149
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 6: more so than the production, you know what I mean,

1150
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 6: in that it was just such.

1151
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 3: It was it was you.

1152
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 6: Know, it felt like, you know, I was part of

1153
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 6: a thing that there were generations of. It was multiple

1154
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 6: generations up in the room, you know what I'm saying.

1155
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 6: Me being in a room with DMC and DMC standing

1156
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 6: in next to the rapper that made him want to

1157
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 6: do it, and you know, just so on and so forth,

1158
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 6: grand Master Flash, Jazzy Jeff, you know what I mean,

1159
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 6: going all the way down the line.

1160
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: That was huge for me.

1161
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 6: But you know one, you know, a standout moment for me,

1162
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 6: like when I felt like I had a ribbed as

1163
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 6: an MC was many years ago.

1164
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: Was it ninety six a Great day of Hip Hop?

1165
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: Ninety eight?

1166
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: What was that ninety Soalst Magazine show Double Excelo.

1167
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: It was the day we mastered things for all apart.

1168
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: It's like September twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight, were yeah.

1169
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, Like in ninety eight when you know.

1170
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 6: Everybody, they got all of hip hop essentially together or

1171
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 6: at least, you know, people who represented every genre, you know,

1172
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 6: every region.

1173
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 3: We all got together in Harlem and took a photo.

1174
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I remember that was based on the image

1175
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 6: that Gordon Parks took, uh, you know years ago. That

1176
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 6: was a great day in jazz where you know, all

1177
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 6: the jazz musicians took the same photo on these in

1178
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 6: front of these brownstones in Harlem, and I had to

1179
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 6: step out right before this photo was taken. I had

1180
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 6: to step out to like one like use a bathroom

1181
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 6: and some stupid shit. And I left and when I

1182
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 6: came back there was ready to take the picture. So

1183
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, excuse me, like ushering my way

1184
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 6: back through the crowd because I think what they had

1185
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 6: the roots was way in the nosebleed of this of

1186
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 6: this image and that you know, making my way back

1187
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 6: up to the top, I bumped into rock Camp, you know,

1188
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 6: when it was my first time meeting him in person.

1189
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 6: And when he looked at he had like a hoodie on.

1190
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 6: You know, I ain't know who I bumped into. When

1191
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 6: I looked at dude, it was like a druid or somebody.

1192
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: He lift his head up, pull the hoodie back. He

1193
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: was like, oh ship thought and he was he was

1194
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: like more excited to meet me.

1195
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 6: And I was like, yo, like I must be that

1196
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 6: dude like I'm fucking here, like you know what I'm saying,

1197
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 6: and uh yeah, that was that was a huge moment

1198
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 6: for me.

1199
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 3: Man.

1200
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 6: I went back up there and you know, I took

1201
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 6: I took the pic and uh that think things have

1202
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 6: never been the same for me.

1203
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 5: I think the biggest moment in hip hop for me

1204
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 5: in my entire career the moment that like really it

1205
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 5: was they called me big.

1206
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: Yo.

1207
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 5: I want I want to I want to speak there

1208
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 5: and that was a moment, I mean, that big elle moment.

1209
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 3: Listen, I want to talk.

1210
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 6: I want to talk about just how fun it is,

1211
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 6: you know for me as an artist, as someone you

1212
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 6: know who came up just quoting all these lyrics to

1213
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 6: what you know, to have a chance to support my heroes,

1214
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. It's always a full circle

1215
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 6: moment for me when I get up there and I

1216
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 6: get to sort of play the support and roll to

1217
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 6: an l L or a cane or rock camel, you

1218
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.

1219
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 5: Heroes, man, Yeah, it is huge for me. It's not

1220
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 5: you know what's impressive though. What's suppressive is you know

1221
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 5: everybody's catalog have you have? You have a photographic memory,

1222
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 5: and you sound great and you know it's like it

1223
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 5: comes natural.

1224
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 7: So it's like you're a pro, you know what I mean.

1225
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: So you know, and you got a why Mike is

1226
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: still can stay out the way, So that's some.

1227
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 5: Real like you know, you know, everybody don't know how

1228
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 5: to do that, like I'm used to that, you know

1229
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 5: what i mean. So it's like those kinds of things like,

1230
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 5: I mean, look, I love working with them, I love

1231
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 5: the you know what we're doing. You know, I think

1232
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 5: that when people come and see this tour and see

1233
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 5: how we're doing it, the guests we bring in and out,

1234
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 5: you know, from from the Rick Rosses to the whether

1235
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 5: depending on what city where, Queen Latif or a method

1236
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 5: man of red Man or Juvenile or even Iced Tea.

1237
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 7: He got some dates on the toy.

1238
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 5: He's gonna be out there with me on stage to

1239
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 5: I mean, so many different acts that will be on

1240
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 5: the stage.

1241
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 7: I think people are gonna be blown away.

1242
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 5: So you just this is one of those times when

1243
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 5: I would just suggest that people come in witness history.

1244
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 7: You know, you you ask questions about hip hop.

1245
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 5: You have questions about fiftieth anniversary of hip hop, you

1246
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 5: have questions about Okay, l you were there since the beginning,

1247
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 5: You've seen it, You've done a lot of things. This

1248
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 5: is a chance for you to come and witness how

1249
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 5: it's done, you know, for real, at a high level.

1250
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, on a plus stage high level.

1251
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: So Scoot how Scretchful.

1252
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 8: Was putting together the fiftieth anniversary tribute for the Grammy, because.

1253
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 5: I know you.

1254
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: Make money to.

1255
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 5: QUESSI.

1256
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: I'll put it this way.

1257
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: Two of the artists dropped out an hour before taping.

1258
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that it's so tightly choreographed

1259
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: that you're not just dealing with like we make it

1260
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: look easy, like okay, that is not here right now,

1261
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: so let's just skip his part.

1262
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 5: No, because the show is live.

1263
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: So this means that now I personally have to run

1264
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: to the light people to tell them, yo, the seven

1265
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: minute and thirteen second portion till eight twenty three is out,

1266
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: and they while they're doing the show live doing commercial breaks,

1267
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: they have to now edit. Then you have to run

1268
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: to the dancers and tell them, hey, guys, bad news.

1269
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah's not here anymore. So and

1270
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: they're all like dejected. But then you got also you

1271
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: literally have to like I had an it was the

1272
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: most magiver thing I ever did in my life, where

1273
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: and it still came off like I wasn't even and

1274
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: aware that lou uzi Vert had got my text for

1275
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: him to come on stage to do that. So I'm thinking,

1276
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Purple Range when like

1277
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: Prince stormed off stage after Prople Raine because he thought

1278
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: like he fucked up, Like I was about to have

1279
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: a panic attack.

1280
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: Like it's over, it's over, and all the routes are celebrating.

1281
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, what do you celebrate war?

1282
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 6: And they're looking on Twitter like you see this, and

1283
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 6: I was like, wait, Uzzi was on stage only because

1284
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 6: only because where I was positioned, I couldn't see my

1285
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: like couldn't see if he actually like literally I will say, yeah,

1286
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 6: the way the stage of the Grammy's Ship was set up,

1287
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 6: it was two complete different stages. Yeah, you know, so

1288
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 6: like half the band was, you know, essentially in a

1289
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 6: different room.

1290
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: So it came off. But just as the person who

1291
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: was the traffic cop making up for you know, okay,

1292
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: we gotta skip this song that or whatever, Like it

1293
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: was a difficult one. It was a hell Mary throw

1294
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: and then you know you can caught it. You gotta

1295
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: talk to people, you know what I'm saying.

1296
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 5: You gotta you know, everybody has to be you know,

1297
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 5: you have to you know, some people you have to

1298
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 5: like you know, Lavender synth Under then No was another

1299
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 5: dude needs a goddamn he needs a black cup of

1300
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 5: black coffee. This one over here. You gotta put your

1301
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 5: thumb right on his trap, right to him. This one

1302
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 5: you gotta pay. You gotta snap your fingers. Okay, okay,

1303
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So it's like, you know,

1304
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 5: somebody is distracted, you know what I mean.

1305
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 8: I feel like that's an impossible show to do, though,

1306
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 8: because you're going to miss people.

1307
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 4: And people are gonna get me.

1308
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't recommend it. Well now, I don't recommend it.

1309
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Speaker 1: I just recommend that you you make sure that you

1310
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: know what you're getting into. Back in November, I was like, oh, yeah,

1311
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: I want to do this, and then by January I

1312
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: was like, I see what y'all did.

1313
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 7: No good guy, not nice guy?

1314
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 3: Right.

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00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 5: We knew in advance we couldn't have everybody. It'd be

1316
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 5: ten thousand people. We can't do ten thousand songs in

1317
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 5: a row.

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00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1319
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: My first draft was like twenty eight minutes because I

1320
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: included everybody, you know.

1321
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 5: What I mean.

1322
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: So we had to whittle it down.

1323
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 7: To hip hop deserves that though, right, I think so

1324
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 7: pop deserves it. Twenty eight minutes on.

1325
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: It would have.

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00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: We weren't made it live, but it know, Grammys a

1327
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: three hour fair and there's other categories and.

1328
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: All that stuff. So again, something's going to happen.

1329
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 7: That's what I heard. I heard L was doing. I'm

1330
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 7: hearing that that you're doing one.

1331
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 5: Well, we're talking about all of us, you know, we're

1332
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 5: talking about some things, and yeah, you know, we got

1333
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 5: some cool stuff.

1334
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: And when the L is involved, like it's extra special.

1335
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: So it's not just like something's gonna like something monumental

1336
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: is really going to happen.

1337
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 8: I feel like you gotta be regional ones, like it

1338
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 8: gotta be somebody curating Philly, somebody curating New York, somebody

1339
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 8: curating l A, somebody.

1340
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 5: They all need to be represented like me, like you know,

1341
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 5: like I love like look, Philly was like come on man,

1342
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 5: between Philly and Baltimore, I mean Philly going to Lady

1343
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 5: B after midnight you know, doing all that you know

1344
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 5: for me was unbelievable. I love Philly.

1345
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 7: I used to do Philly shows like two three times

1346
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 7: a month.

1347
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 5: But you better believe it. You better believe it.

1348
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: We literally fought, we literally all the way live.

1349
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 5: Now.

1350
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: We we literally.

1351
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: Thought to tooth and now to make sure that everybody

1352
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: was included, like because I know everyone had their criticisms,

1353
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: like where is that as it was just like we

1354
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: were what we were working with was really you know,

1355
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be eleven minutes, and we fought

1356
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: hard for those thirteen minutes, like we just and.

1357
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 5: You got to remember how many millions of dollars those

1358
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 5: minutes costs, right, you know what I'm saying, question Like

1359
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 5: it's not you know, we were doing right by our culture.

1360
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 7: And that's the thing.

1361
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 5: Quest Look did a massive job curating it, you know,

1362
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 5: orchestrating it, kind of moving these pieces around, you know

1363
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like, you gotta have.

1364
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 7: You know, you do the best you can, right.

1365
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 5: We knew we couldn't please everybody, you know, he did,

1366
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 5: he did, He went, He did everything within his power

1367
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 5: to make sure that everybody was represented on some level,

1368
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 5: everybody from Chuck D to glow Rialer and little Baby

1369
01:00:59,360 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 5: right like.

1370
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 7: You know we you know, and that's it. So now

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01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 7: here we are.

1372
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 5: I know y'all got to go.

1373
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 7: But I got a couple more questions. How do y'all

1374
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 7: feel about lists?

1375
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 8: Because Billboard had y'all ranked number ten group of all time?

1376
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 8: Really yeah, ll they had you ranked number fourteen of

1377
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 8: the top rappers ever and you coined the term goat,

1378
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 8: but for some reason, your name doesn't always get put

1379
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 8: in those goat conversations?

1380
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 5: How did that?

1381
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: Because he's too good? People can never look at it?

1382
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 5: Well, you know, you know, I guess I just got

1383
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 5: to do something about it. You know, I guess that's uh.

1384
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 5: You know, that just means I got some work to do,

1385
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I guess that's what it means.

1386
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 5: I mean I could sit here and come up with

1387
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 5: a thousand different excuses, but at the end of the day,

1388
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 5: I guess my job is to change that narrative.

1389
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: So, yeah, to be continued.

1390
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 7: What about y'all.

1391
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 3: Thought for me? Man? Like, I'm not you know, I'm fine.

1392
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 6: Like whoever, when I do fall like on those lists,

1393
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 6: it's always, you know, just an honor to be held

1394
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 6: in the company that I'm held in. You know what

1395
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 6: I'm saying. It's never any other artists on those that

1396
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 6: I don't feel, you know, deserve it.

1397
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 3: But you know where you rank.

1398
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 6: I think that you know, it's relative, and I think

1399
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 6: that you know, it varies from person to person, different

1400
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 6: folks opinions. Yeah, I know, I'm I'm a force to

1401
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 6: be reckoning with. I know, everybody know that, so I'm

1402
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 6: fine with it.

1403
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: You know.

1404
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, the other thing I would add

1405
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 5: is that, you know, I think this is an overused term,

1406
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 5: but in my cases, I'm different.

1407
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, fact, I really am.

1408
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, you know a lot of

1409
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 5: times those lists are based on what have you done

1410
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 5: for me lately? And there's a lot of recency bias

1411
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 5: kind of sprinkled in those lists recent. You know what

1412
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Yeah, you know, you know, so I understand that,

1413
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 5: and I get it. It's the it's the equivalent of

1414
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 5: asking somebody who's a better basketball player? Like, yeah, I

1415
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 5: don't like the sports analogies because artists in the sport

1416
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 5: I can be seventy and do this. But I would

1417
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 5: say that, like, you know, you have people who have

1418
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 5: seen you know, different ball players play in the post

1419
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 5: in the post Internet era, and then you've had people

1420
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 5: who didn't play in the Internet era, and then you're

1421
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 5: trying to compare them, so you can't you compare Jordan

1422
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 5: to whoever you want to pick in the new era,

1423
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 5: and people don't get those comparisons. So if they don't understand,

1424
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 5: like how much the world changed how much I changed

1425
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 5: the world. If you wasn't dead, you just don't understand that,

1426
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? You don't like you have

1427
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 5: to remember that. Okay, just just just with deaf Jam alone,

1428
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 5: name the artists that will signed to death Jam. Just

1429
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 5: name no, just over time, name five. So let's stop

1430
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 5: right there, right. So, I'm the first artist on death Jam.

1431
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 5: It was a production company, Tela Rock. I'm the first artist.

1432
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: I put the label on my back and I got

1433
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: us distribution deal with my album.

1434
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 5: Wow, what are we talking about? What are we really

1435
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 5: talking about it?

1436
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: Like, so.

1437
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that, like that's putting the work into

1438
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 5: really be a pillar. So now creatively with this new album,

1439
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 5: what I look to do with the Force, because the

1440
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 5: album is called The Force.

1441
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 7: Frequency is a real creative energy.

1442
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 5: And what I'm looking to do with this is to

1443
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 5: give people, you know, you know, a body of work

1444
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 5: that really gives them an opportunity to go a little

1445
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 5: deep into what I do, you know what I'm saying,

1446
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 5: and really get into it so that we can have

1447
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 5: these maybe those listeners.

1448
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 7: I think the list will change.

1449
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 8: So you know, I think I think certain people can't

1450
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 8: be ranked. I think you're one of those people who

1451
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 8: can't be ranked.

1452
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: You know what I really think.

1453
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 5: You know what my honest opinion is, Charlamagne, I think

1454
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 5: that every I think art is about.

1455
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 7: The observer or and music is about the listener.

1456
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 5: And it is how that art affects the observer or

1457
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 5: how that music it affects the listener. That that's so

1458
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 5: the fans. Let the fans judge it. Like people always

1459
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 5: ask me, what do you want your legacy to be?

1460
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 5: It's like that's you're never going to be able to

1461
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 5: decide that. You put all your work in in the

1462
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 5: moment and then you let the fans decide that. You

1463
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So when it comes to those lists,

1464
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 5: let the writers decide that if that's what the people

1465
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 5: in that room felt.

1466
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 4: Cool.

1467
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 5: We also know that there's some people running around right now.

1468
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 5: There's a guy in the barbershop who said he's been

1469
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 5: loving me and I saved his life for years and

1470
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 5: he loves everything I do, and there's a girl that

1471
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 5: feels the same way. So it's not really those judgments

1472
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 5: are not really what it's about for me totally.

1473
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, I just want my fans.

1474
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 5: The ones that love Llo COOLJ, whether the day Ones

1475
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 5: or the new fans, to hear my music, to come

1476
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 5: on the road, to enjoy what I do, to love

1477
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 5: what we're doing together.

1478
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:48,959
Speaker 3: And that's it, you know what I'm saying.

1479
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 7: How do we create those conversations though?

1480
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 8: Because you did when you said you're the goat, right, Yeah,

1481
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 8: started a whole new conversation. How do you start those

1482
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 8: conversations to let people know like, nah, this is a

1483
01:05:58,440 --> 01:05:59,479
Speaker 8: revered icon.

1484
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you're Reac and I are in the production

1485
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: business now, So it's.

1486
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 6: It boils down to telling those stories, you know what

1487
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 6: I'm saying, and in us being able to tell our

1488
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 6: own stories, you know what I mean.

1489
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 5: I might have to do a documentary.

1490
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: I might, I would hope, So yeah, I might have

1491
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: to do a document absolutely. I just never wanted to

1492
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: do a movie or documentary because I just didn't feel

1493
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: like looking at myself for hours.

1494
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 3: And hours dealing with that bullshit boring camera.

1495
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: You're in tire, Like do you have a collection of

1496
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm coming.

1497
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 5: Here the perfect person to do that and help me

1498
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 5: with that.

1499
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 4: I mean, tell you the story.

1500
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I gotta ask who I know, you gotta go

1501
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: but the mount Rushmore of hip hop to y'all, who

1502
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: would be the four faces on it?

1503
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 7: Not even personally. You can't do personal as.

1504
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: People put hisself on.

1505
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 8: I mean to say, like your personal favorites, like in

1506
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 8: the future when we're not here and somebody's looking like,

1507
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 8: who are those people?

1508
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: The big I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I have to do it.

1509
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right.

1510
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: So, my as as as a music lover, DJ and

1511
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: a producer, and you know, I'm representing my my era.

1512
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: You know, I was seventeen, eighteen and eighty eight. So

1513
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: for me to hear my record parents, to hear my record,

1514
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: my parents' record collection come alive in these records was everything.

1515
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: So I would say that probably my mount Rushmore of

1516
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: albums would probably be.

1517
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 7: Uh, you're doing albums not artists.

1518
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's cheating. No, it's too monolithic.

1519
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: Like everyone answer.

1520
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 3: For me.

1521
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: Albums wise, I would say A Nation of Millions, three

1522
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: ft I and Rising, and then the thirty six, and

1523
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: probably lastly I might say Midnight Marauders, Like those four

1524
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: records sort of informed me to go deep into the

1525
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: culture and actually to get my own career. So I

1526
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't have face. I mean they'll have MC's or whatever.

1527
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean those are what's the

1528
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: criteria for the mount rushmore? What is the criteria I.

1529
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 8: Think people I would I would look at people that

1530
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 8: are founding fathers but also shaped hip hop as we

1531
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 8: know now in its whole totality, from the music to

1532
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 8: commerce everything.

1533
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: See that, I think, get in the commerce.

1534
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 7: When you start talking commerce.

1535
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: No commerce, no commerce, But I mean the commerce like

1536
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,959
Speaker 1: are because we're talking about but there are people.

1537
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 8: Who transformed the game with their art, like like Doctor

1538
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 8: D transformed the game.

1539
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 7: They just happened to sell millions of records doing it.

1540
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 3: Well.

1541
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 5: The commerce on that, But I would say the beats

1542
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 5: would be the commerce. Correct, now put those records right

1543
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 5: if you're entire I mean the selling of records is commerce.

1544
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, Like when when you

1545
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 5: say commerce to me, I'm thinking about like business outside

1546
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 5: of music. Yeah, that's how I took it.

1547
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: Your entire hip hop record collection and tape collection, we're

1548
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: taking away from you. Which four would you want to

1549
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: save just.

1550
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: For your own listening pleasure?

1551
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 5: I mean that you know for me, it's it's on

1552
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 5: the album side. Yeah, you mean, just like house is

1553
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 5: burning down, you get I need you know, look, man,

1554
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 5: I just keep it. Keep it simple to me. When

1555
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 5: you talk about like a real rush More and you

1556
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 5: talk about the shaping of the culture, you have to

1557
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 5: look at it's first principles. You know, it's like anything else,

1558
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 5: you break it down the first principles, right, and you

1559
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 5: know you got to put DJ cool Hirk he started

1560
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 5: the ship. He ain't on Rushmore. I just he just

1561
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 5: started it. No big deal, no big deal, this something

1562
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 5: I did, Okay. And then you have to put run

1563
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 5: DMC up up there because they kicked down the doors

1564
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 5: in the walls and you know, put me on their

1565
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 5: back to a certain stand as well. And I was

1566
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 5: the solo guy who went out there got shot out

1567
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 5: of that you know cannon, right. And then you have

1568
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 5: to put you know, Flash and Mail because Flash, because

1569
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:33,879
Speaker 5: you know, he made he made us dream of the culture,

1570
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 5: the DJ, the art of the DJ, the idea that

1571
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 5: a DJ could affect culture.

1572
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 7: And move culture. Flash made us do that.

1573
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 5: And then you gotta say Mal because he was the

1574
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:48,879
Speaker 5: first original prolific writer that wrote songs that were beyond

1575
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 5: just the brag, not just the bragging, because the bragging

1576
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 5: was very important. See now you know we got all

1577
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 5: sophisticated and we looked down on the bragging. But like

1578
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 5: I said earlier, the bragging was our way to get

1579
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 5: out of our turmoil and out of that that drama

1580
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 5: that we were in in that inner city.

1581
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 7: That's the that's the core what we do. Like those

1582
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 7: are the core. You know what I'm saying.

1583
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 5: You have a couple of others, but like that core,

1584
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 5: right there is the real core. Now we could get

1585
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 5: in anything after that. Fan based this you know, it's

1586
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 5: based on oh he made money or oh he had

1587
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 5: a lot of platinum albums. Oh he got people to

1588
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 5: change their shirts. Oh yo that he got you know,

1589
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 5: all of that is cool. But DJ Cool, Hirk Run, DMC,

1590
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 5: Grandmaster Flash and Mail like bro like you removed that

1591
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 5: in like.

1592
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 3: What you got?

1593
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1594
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 6: For me, I think it boils down to, uh, just

1595
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 6: who had the most impact, you know upon my craft

1596
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 6: and right, I think it's always been just like a

1597
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 6: balance between you know, uh uh a certain cadence and

1598
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 6: you know, something more stylistic.

1599
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 3: So I'll give props to.

1600
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 6: You know, the the ls and you know the BC

1601
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 6: Boys and the Chuck D's and even running them even

1602
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 6: though they weren't depth jam artists. But that whole first

1603
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 6: wave of depth jam artists were the first people that

1604
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 6: I heard had you know that yeah, that that that

1605
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 6: that that rush roster. They had that powerful cadence that

1606
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 6: was just different from with Mel and Curtis Blow and

1607
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 6: everybody was doing.

1608
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, run DMC, you know what

1609
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

1610
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 6: They came out like balls going on el el cool

1611
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 6: than Chuck d you know what I mean. Yelling There

1612
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 6: was the yelling, so it was you know, that was

1613
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 6: like wow, like they had arrived.

1614
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: They you know, changed the way I wrote, you know

1615
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1616
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 6: After I was exposed to that, So that whole wave

1617
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 6: would be you know, half of my Mount rushmore and

1618
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 6: then the other half would be once artists you know,

1619
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,799
Speaker 6: started doing something stylistic that you know, made the voice

1620
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:46,799
Speaker 6: more comparable to an instrument.

1621
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 3: Right, so you know the rock km's and knes and

1622
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 3: g raps.

1623
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 6: You know people who you know that next graduating class,

1624
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 6: so you know, the you know, one point five version

1625
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 6: of what Ellen was doing, who came out and said,

1626
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 6: you know, I'm gonna challenge myself to do this and

1627
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 6: not have to yell you know what I mean, I

1628
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 6: want to draw you in in a different way. So

1629
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 6: I think what I've done is always been a balance

1630
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 6: between the two. So that's sort of my mount Rushmore.

1631
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 6: I think, you know, one one artist that I think

1632
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 6: has definitely navigated that well. I mean definitely earlier on

1633
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 6: in his career was Cute, you know what I'm saying.

1634
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 6: I think, you know, when when Q came out, you know,

1635
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 6: when he broke off from n w A and started

1636
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 6: doing his solo ship, it was like that was the

1637
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 6: space that I.

1638
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 3: Wanted to occupy.

1639
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 6: I felt like that was, you know, reflective of sort

1640
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 6: of where I was, you know, in between a chuck

1641
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 6: and you know, like the narrative storytelling of a g

1642
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 6: rap You know, So did you write for.

1643
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: You collaborate on on that?

1644
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 3: You can still tap? You can still cob.

1645
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 5: Now, we never did any music together, no, no, yeah, yeah,

1646
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 5: people people have a fantasy d on your old absolutely

1647
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 5: asolutely DJ Pool Bob Cat because remember my second album

1648
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 5: was part of that crew. Yeah yeah he was. He

1649
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 5: wasn't in the l A possible, but he was. But

1650
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 5: he was definitely part of our crew when we produced

1651
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 5: Big and Deptha and yeah, yeah, DJ Pool, Bobcat, you

1652
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, La, Dwayne Simon, Daryl Pierce, they

1653
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 5: all were you know, part of that.

1654
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, no question, Yes, somebody I saw this on the internet.

1655
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 8: Somebody said around that time, Cube was helping you. You

1656
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 8: know what, people have this, you know, you know people,

1657
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 8: they got a lot of stories, bro, They come up

1658
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 8: with a lot of stories, you know what I mean.

1659
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 7: Hey, Hey, Michael Jordan, did.

1660
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: Uh somebody ever bounced the ball for you and shoot

1661
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: your jump.

1662
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 5: Shot for you? Like?

1663
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: No, I shot the jump shot.

1664
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: I just always find answer who did you write? Like,

1665
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: because I just heard the story of you writing for

1666
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: lights Verse on self Destruction?

1667
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 7: Who else have you written.

1668
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 3: For different people? I don't you know, you know I have.

1669
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: There been some legendary rhymes from classic stuff that you wrote.

1670
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: We will never know about that you'll take to your

1671
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: grave like yeah.

1672
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 5: Why because it's just it was a different time and

1673
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 5: people just don't talk about it. And I just but

1674
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 5: I you know, I wrote for people. But at the

1675
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 5: same time, like listen, I'm not above collaborating on a

1676
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 5: chorus or working on something like I'm not picky like that.

1677
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 5: If I was writing a rhyme and somebody said, YO

1678
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 5: said a word up, be like, all right, I like

1679
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 5: that word.

1680
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that.

1681
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 5: But you know, I write my songs, you know what

1682
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 5: I'm saying. I have to because it has to come

1683
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 5: from me. And if you collaborate too much on the

1684
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 5: at least from ll COOLJ fans, If I collaborated too

1685
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 5: much with somebody on writing, it would affect what they're

1686
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 5: listening to.

1687
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 7: It wouldn't sound like me, you know what I mean?

1688
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 7: Because they are.

1689
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 5: Very unique things to ll COOLJ, to black Thought, to

1690
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 5: quest love, so you have to be you know, very specific.

1691
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:52,839
Speaker 5: Specificity is universal.

1692
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 6: One of my I one of the things that I've encountered,

1693
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 6: you know, as a writer in my career is I'm

1694
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 6: a little bet at it now since I worked on

1695
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 6: musical theater. But you know, people would hire me to

1696
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 6: write for them, and it would be hard for me

1697
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 6: to write in their voice or to write in a

1698
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 6: way that's gonna make them sound together than you know,

1699
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:12,959
Speaker 6: like someone.

1700
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 3: Who's doing the Black Store. It's hard to impressure, right,

1701
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 3: you know, it's hard to dump down.

1702
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 6: Not even I wouldn't say it's a dumbing down, it's

1703
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 6: just you know, composing and the ranging in a different

1704
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 6: voice other than your own. It's it's not as easy

1705
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 6: as one would think it is, you know. So yeah,

1706
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 6: you know, it's definitely like people who are like ghost writers,

1707
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 6: who are able to you know, be like water in

1708
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 6: that way. And if I'm writing for you, like it

1709
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 6: feels like you, that's a that's that's that's that's not

1710
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 6: a quiet gift that people people sort of learn over time.

1711
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'll give you I'll give you an example.

1712
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 5: So I tried to do a more collaborative writing album.

1713
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 5: I did a whole album with fifty cents. Yeah, and

1714
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 5: we were writing together on this album. And when it

1715
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 5: was done, I listened to it. I'm like, it sounds good.

1716
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 5: I like the music, the rhymes, it sounds cool, but

1717
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 5: it ain't me. So I didn't put it out. It

1718
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 5: wasn't nothing against fifty. I love fifty. I just wanted

1719
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 5: to try something different. Maybe we collaborate right together. It

1720
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 5: didn't work. I think Paradise was.

1721
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no. Paradise is totally different.

1722
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 5: Fifty wrote the chorus on Paradise for a Marie what

1723
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 5: she sung. He didn't write my rhymes. You know what,

1724
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 5: I mean, like people get that a little, you know

1725
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

1726
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: That being said, when that happened, I didn't even know

1727
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: fifty was involved.

1728
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 5: That was the track masters. They got that done right,

1729
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 5: so and they played with the chorus. I liked it,

1730
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 5: et cetera. But you know, we tried to work together,

1731
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 5: and that's my man, you know what I'm saying. We

1732
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 5: real cool, But the collaborative thing when it comes to

1733
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 5: my verses, that doesn't work for me. And you know,

1734
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 5: I'm kind of like, it's funny when you do this

1735
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 5: a long time. The longer you do this, the more

1736
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 5: people does he still got it? Can he still do it?

1737
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 5: Is he gonna be able to do it? It kind

1738
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 5: of reminds me of the Crawfit fight the other night.

1739
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,839
Speaker 5: There were a lot of people who like were really

1740
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 5: like nervous for off it. Yeah, it was a lot

1741
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 5: of people that were nervous for Crawfit when he was

1742
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 5: walking in the ring and he showed what it is.

1743
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 5: And I think with me it for whatever reason, people

1744
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 5: are never quite sure if how it's gonna be.

1745
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 3: But do you like being underestimated?

1746
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: I love it. I actually love it. I'm good with that.

1747
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm good with that because that, you know, that only

1748
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: makes the jab that much.

1749
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 8: Stiffer underestimated as the fact you've been winning for so long.

1750
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 8: It just comes to a point where people just like, god, damn,

1751
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 8: can he lose at something?

1752
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 7: Or they may be bad at something? Can you know

1753
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 7: what I mean?

1754
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 1: It's just or they forget what happens to every dynasty.

1755
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 5: Well, you know, you know it all comes with the territory,

1756
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 5: right Like, I'm a big Denzel Washington fan of love Denzel.

1757
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 7: There's great movies.

1758
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 5: You could take him for granted because he's so nice

1759
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 5: with his thing, Like I don't I don't you know,

1760
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be real with you, man. I feel very loved.

1761
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 5: I feel very respected. I feel you know, like number one,

1762
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 5: I feel like the goat. I feel good, I feel recognized,

1763
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 5: I feel appreciated. I don't have I don't have have

1764
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 5: hang ups about like how people perceive me. I'm not like,

1765
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 5: I'm not pretending to be fourteen and I ain't gonna

1766
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 5: pretend to be sixty.

1767
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 3: I'm just who I am. You know what I'm saying.

1768
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 4: You know, I know you guys gotta go.

1769
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 5: I got well you know you say that like once

1770
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 5: every half an hour.

1771
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:21,799
Speaker 3: Once once every hapf I gotta.

1772
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: Ask, right, So we all go out to dinner, right,

1773
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: LL is paying for dinner because we usually the person

1774
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: the richest money.

1775
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 5: The richest person pays right to la.

1776
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: Now when you go when y'all in Magic go out

1777
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: to y'all uh big billion dollar boats and y'all traveling,

1778
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: y'all go to SpaceX and all that.

1779
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 3: Who pays for that? Most of the time Magic?

1780
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 5: Most of the time Magic pays every now and then

1781
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 5: I pay, I do pay, I do pay.

1782
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 3: But you know, I got much be nice, Like.

1783
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 4: How many do your own l like you have a

1784
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 4: halt closet?

1785
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 3: I probably is probably as many as you got sneakers,

1786
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? You have already do.

1787
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 7: What time you was insecure to take the head? Of course?

1788
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 5: Absolutely, But then you know we get over that too,

1789
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 5: don't we. Like it's pretty obvious. I mean, see, I

1790
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 5: mean it's pretty obvious. I did fourteen seasons and TV,

1791
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, with a ball head so

1792
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 5: into deep ball Head.

1793
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 7: I just didn't like that. I just always felt.

1794
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 8: Comfortable classic role, very underrated role when you played God.

1795
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah too deep?

1796
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 5: You know, actually, Omar, we've been you know, I talked

1797
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 5: to Omar every now and then. You know what I'm saying,

1798
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 5: that's my man. Into Deep was definitely a fun movie.

1799
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 5: People should see it if they haven't seen it, it

1800
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 5: was fun than we appreciate.

1801
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 4: Make sure the tour. How can they get tickets if

1802
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 4: they need to.

1803
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 5: Go to I mean, just go to ticketmaster dot com

1804
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 5: and check it out. The fourth tour. I love Cool

1805
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 5: Jay and the Roots and oh one other thing. I

1806
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 5: want to tell you. This show is not like the

1807
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 5: music stops, then another artist comes on and the music

1808
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 5: starts in another.

1809
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 3: Out of.

1810
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't show up. This is one long what is

1811
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: it two three hours? Yes, it's a one long mixtape.

1812
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: It's a mixtape, I mean, And that's how we're fortunes

1813
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: another day.

1814
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 5: Okay, right, so get there, you know, get there on time.

1815
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. We'll be trying to make

1816
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 5: a grand entrance to ship, seet hurting and all that.

1817
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 5: Just get in on time. Let's have some fun.

1818
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 7: Hed sprung. The first song that comes, they called me.

1819
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 5: Big hell, oh cool, glazy gentlemen, it's the Breakfast Club.

1820
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 4: Good morning,