1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Stuff to blow your mind. My name 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And Julie we 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: need we need to kick off by talking about a 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: little urban legend. Yeah, concerning one Walt Disney, and that, 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: of course, is the idea that buried in the secret 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: high tech vaults underneath Disney World and Epcot Center. The 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: Magic Kingdom, the Magical Kingdom's laity is that the Magic Kingdom? 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: It is California, the Magic Kingdom? Are they the Magic Kingdom? 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Already you've exposed my knowledge of the Disney franchise. Well, anyway, 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: the myth is that's somewhere underneath one of these magical 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: cities that composed this Magical Kingdom. They're like robot tendered vaults, 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: and there you will find Walt Disney's frozen body that 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: it's in. It's being preserved until such time as we 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: can bring him back to life so that he can 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: save us from the uh, the harsh realities that faces 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: in the future. That's right, he's just waiting for technology 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: to catch up and and reanimate him. Yeah. Plus, somebody's 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: gonna make fantage of three. So yeah, yeah, So I 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: mean this is of course an urban legend. This is 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: complete um who whoie if you will, I mean, for 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: for starters. Just an important factor is that Dr James Bedford, 22 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: seventy three year old psychology professor, was the first person 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: frozen in this matter through Ennis, and that was on 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: January twelfth, nineteen sixty seven. Walt Disney died December fift 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. You know, so we got roughly a 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: year there before it was even really possible. Um So, 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: so there's that, all right, right, So the confluence of 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: events helped perpetuate this myth, not to mention the fact 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: that he was highly private and actually his funeral arrangements 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: were not publicized, and so people started to stir up 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: all of these rumors. Yeah, and people, you know, people 32 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: generally like the idea of a of of rich people 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: being kind of crazy and Richard Branson yeah, or or also, 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: I mean the whole um Howard Hughes, uh deal, you know, 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: the millionaire And I think that that's part of it too, 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Like people think of Howard Hughes and they think of 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: Walt Disney, and they kind of they kind of bring 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: the two together in their mind into some um um 39 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: version of like an an eccentric billionaire from the past. Yeah, 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: and then there's those this whole thing too about Walt 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Disney being like a guide in the wool futurists. Yes, 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: the real deal, And that's what we're really going to 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: talk about in this podcast now that we've swept the 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: urban myth out of the way, because that's the thing. Disney, um, 45 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, mostly is known for Disney World, Mickey Mouse 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: maybe more becoming more affiliated with Pixar today and you know, 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: and some of these are great products, but the man 48 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: himself was was so much more interesting than any of 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: these one things and for a while was a really 50 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: powerful force, uh as far as futurist thinking goes, and 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: just in contemplating and just advocating how technology can can 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: shape the course of our future and and better everyone's life. 53 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: Well not it's just not just the future, but public opinion, um, 54 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: even even our government. And we'll talk a little bit 55 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: about that later, but um, you know, I mean this 56 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: is a guy who was an absolute optimist when it 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to technology, and he kind of felt 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: like you could solve any problem with technology, you just 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: had to put it in place, so which you have 60 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: this guy with a lot of money, a lot of imagination, 61 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: and this absolute faith in the future right now. He 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: was born in NT one to give you a little um, 63 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, time for nineteen o one through nineteen sixty six, 64 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: and he indeed started off with the whole animation thing, uh, drawing. Um. 65 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: I forget what the first character was, but it looked 66 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: at There are a couple of characters that he came 67 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: out with, one of which ended up getting taken away 68 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: from him due to to some rights issues. But then 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: he settled on nicky Um. But he was not he 70 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: was not really a gifted artist per se. I've heard 71 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I've read some descriptions what they said. He could really 72 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: barely draw Mickey, you know, But but he had all 73 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: these ideas, you know, and he'd get this idea and 74 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: he'd be like, all right, here's Mickey, Let's get some 75 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: talented people to make this happen. Let's get some some 76 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: high end production stuff lined up, and will will produce 77 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: this thing. So he was he was big. I've also 78 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: seen that as one of his criticisms, that he was 79 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: more of an idea starter, you know, that someone that's like, 80 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: all right, guys, I got this idea for a party. 81 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna have X, Y and Z go do it 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: and then I'll show up, you know, kind of a thing. 83 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Um and he uh so he was, but he was 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: a big idea man. And he left the money stuff 85 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: to his brother Roy, who and there was also this 86 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of older brother younger brother dynamic there because Walt 87 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: was the younger brother, so he was the wild imagination 88 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: kid and Roy was the older brother who looked after Walt. Okay, 89 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: so you've got the pragmatic part, you've got the kid 90 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: with moxie. Yeah. And apparently throughout I was reading about 91 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: this in the book Reality Land by this guy David Cone, 92 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and it's a it's really good, but it goes into 93 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: a lot about that, Like there were basically like two 94 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: factions within Disney, uh for for for a long time, 95 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: and there was like Roy's guys and Waltz guys. Wow. Yeah, 96 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: this is like gangs. Yeah, it was like rival gangs, 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: one with calculators and the other, um, I don't know, 98 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: dream goggles. I was gonna dream goggles. That's nice standard 99 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: issue in corporate Disney back in the day. Yeah, Um, 100 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: but I mean it's interesting to look at it from 101 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: the historical perspective and realized that Disney was sort of 102 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: fed um on futurism from the get go or future 103 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: futuristic is m I guess that you could say there's 104 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: sort of a difference. UM. And you know, here's this 105 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: guy born in nineteen o one, as you say, died 106 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six. He saw a tremendous amount of 107 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: progress and he again he had the imagination, he had 108 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: the moxie, he had a vehicle, Mickey, and he the 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: money to to do what he wanted to do. And 110 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: at the same time, you have all of these things 111 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: happening in in the United States concerning space race right right, 112 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: which is really sort of fueling his own ambition, not 113 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: to mention you know, national pride being part of this equation, 114 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: and you actually look at the timeline and you can 115 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: see where Disney is starting to think that he needs 116 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: to take this issue on himself. UM. And certainly it 117 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: was actually one of his animators who came up with 118 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: some of the ideas about space exploration as a topic. 119 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: But you know, he was a big proponent of of 120 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: UM making this sort of technology known to people, and 121 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: and really big into planning and designed to UM, which 122 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: which a part of that apparently came out of when 123 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: they when they established Disneyland in California. UM he began 124 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: to notice that, like they didn't really plan out hotel 125 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: arrangements and so like it went from after Disneyland was 126 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: built and went from there being like eighty available rooms 127 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: in the in the area surrounding area to just you know, 128 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: countless hotel to the point where they're they're having to 129 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: worry about skyscrapers rising up to where you don't really 130 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: have like the pristine because because they have the different 131 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: areas of Disneyland are are broken up to be like 132 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: periods of the past, and so there's gonna be a 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: skyscraper peering over, you know. And uh, and he wasn't 134 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 1: he wasn't happy with the city planning going going around 135 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: outside the park so part so he had this idea, 136 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, well even if we start start fresh, 137 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: start new, then we'll plant everything out. And you know, 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I have this idea that if you if you plan it, 139 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: if you design it enough, then then humans can do it. 140 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: You know, we can. We can we can start fresh, 141 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: and we can create a system that absolutely works well. 142 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: And that's what I really love about you know, part 143 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: of his vision is that you know, you employee technology 144 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: so that humans can have easier lives, they suffer less, 145 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 1: And that really is sort of the crux of UM 146 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: where he was coming from. But just to talk a 147 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: little bit more about the conditions during the nineteen fifties, UM, 148 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: because yeah, this is this is crucial. It's really big, 149 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: and you've got the space race is heating up. You've 150 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: anxieties about overpopulation, technology, atomic warfare, the environment. All of 151 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: these different problems are sorting or straightening and come up. 152 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: And again, space race really important because I think of 153 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: the timeline ninety seven fruit flies were launched into space 154 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: by the US UM and then in nineteen fifty seven, 155 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: ten years later, you have the first artificial satellite spot Nik. Okay, well, 156 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: and we know that was launched space by other than 157 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: USS ARE And this is important to to keep in 158 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: mind that, I mean, it's easy to forget even reading 159 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: about it, and in knowing you know about just how 160 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: polarized our ideas were during the Cold War. I mean, 161 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: this was a time where if you were if you 162 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: were if you were an American and and you knew 163 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: about the Cold War because there's also a huge chance 164 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: you were just preoccupied with everything else in life, and 165 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, the lightening weren't reading all the papers. But 166 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: if you were, you were tuned into what the Cold 167 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: War was and what was going on, then you had 168 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: this very very stark, stark idea of what the Soviet 169 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: Union was. I mean, they were, uh, in many people's minds, 170 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: this great enemy that represented just tyranny and the loss 171 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: of the individual and the loss of freedom and and 172 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: uh and you know the kind of polarization you see 173 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: in uh in some of these uh, these fantasy works 174 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: that came out of out of Disney studios, right, and 175 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: so you know, to your point, then all of a sudden, 176 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: you see that, you know, the USSR is making big 177 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: strides here in the space race, especially this butt Nik 178 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: starts to freak everybody out on a national level. They 179 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: start to say, this is something that we need to 180 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: be doing as well. We need to have a space program. 181 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: So here you have Disney who began to produce TV 182 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: shows to help support the opening of Disneyland. Um so 183 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: a very smart move. Right a year in advance of 184 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: Disneyland opening, he starts to decide, okay, well, I've got 185 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: these four different parts of Disneyland that I really need 186 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: to get people on board with and and you know, 187 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: take the time and money to come in is at us. 188 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: So I'm going to promote promote Fantasyland, Frontier Land, adventure Land, 189 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: and tomorrow Land. And tomorrow Land. Is this sort of 190 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: like his brain child, right, And he's able to assemble 191 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: what he calls imagineers, which I kind of love. Um, 192 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: he's got a top animator, Walt Kimball, who actually pitched 193 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: the whole tomorrow Land to him. You've got rocket scientists 194 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: and other experts who get to craft space exploration futurist 195 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: programs that promote these technologies that the US hasn't fully 196 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: adopted yet. Just really fascinating. Oh and I had to 197 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: jump in there real quick talking about the different sections 198 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: of Disneyland. This is great quote where a parent was 199 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: like over the gates to Disneyland that said, here you 200 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: leave today and into the world of yesterday tomorrow in 201 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: fantasy And there was a promotional brochure that to the 202 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: park had nothing of the present, like nothing of the 203 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: present exists in Disneyland, which which is in a way 204 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: it's awesome because it's like, you know, it's like we're sold, 205 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, forget about what you're facing right now. We're 206 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: just gonna focus on how awesome the past was and 207 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: how super awesome the future is going to be. But 208 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: it's also kind of like the most anti Buddhist statement 209 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: I could I could possibly imagine, because because you know, 210 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: the whole you know, like meditation, as we've we've spoken about, 211 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's all about like, stop worrying about the past, 212 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: stop worrying about the future, and just live in the moment. 213 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: While Disney was like, stop living in the moment. Yeah, 214 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: come to this, don't be here now. Um. And actually 215 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: in the opening to uh when it opened, Disney said 216 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: to all who come to this happy place, welcome, Disneyland 217 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: is your land. He didn't really sound like this, but 218 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: here age relives fond memories of the past as you 219 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: spoke about, and here youth may savor the challenge and 220 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, 221 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America, 222 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: with the hope that it will be it will be 223 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: a source of joint inspiration to all the world. So 224 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: you see these things coming out children future, this sort 225 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: of manifest destiny which is hidden a bit in in 226 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: his agenda, that comes out in Space X where shan 227 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: that certainly comes out in frontier Land when he talked 228 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: about David Crockett so uh so in a way, it 229 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: was kind of like and identifying that the the children, 230 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: the use of that day and age kind of had it. 231 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: We're facing this identity crisis of who they were. There 232 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: were all these different forces going on. There's all this 233 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: fear about the future, and he saying that hold on, 234 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: look at these past models. This is who you are, 235 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: this is your heritage. And then look at this model 236 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: of the future. This is what you can accomplish with technology.