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Speaker 1: A very special crossover episode of Cardinal Territory and Crush

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Speaker 1: City Territory. I am so excited. My name's Katie we

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Speaker 1: I'm the host of the Cardinal Territory here with Chandler

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Speaker 1: Roman Tyler Stafford, co host of Crushed City Territory, both

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Speaker 1: presented by Vowel Territory. Guys. How are you so nice

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Speaker 1: to see you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Katie. I highly recommend taking an airplane

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Speaker 2: with no air condition for two hours to Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: It was a really it was a really revealing and

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Speaker 2: an uplifting experience that I had to get into your

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Speaker 2: city this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Are you so excited to be in Saint Louis? Though?

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Speaker 1: When was the last time you were here?

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Speaker 2: So the last time I was here? And I think, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: can we'll remember this this sequence. I remember the last

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Speaker 2: time I was here because Tony Kemp got DFA and

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Speaker 2: it was the like it was a bad day for

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Speaker 2: Astro's Twitter, which Tyler is part of. Tony Kemp was

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Speaker 2: the ViBe's guy. He was he created like a whole

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Speaker 2: like T shirt for hugging guys at the home runs.

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Speaker 2: But like it was I think it was right after

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Speaker 2: the deadline, and they had a lot of roster just

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Speaker 2: he got squeezed off the roster and he got DFAD

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Speaker 2: here and I and this is not an exaggeration, I

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Speaker 2: walked in the visiting clubhouse at Bush Stadium and it

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Speaker 2: felt like a morgue because he was that loved in there.

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, you hear it all the time that

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Speaker 2: there's glue guys and there's guys that are indispensable, like Tyler.

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Speaker 2: You know, Tony Kemp was that guy. So that was

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Speaker 2: the last time I was here, was in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 2: when Tony, Yeah, Tony Kemp ruled.

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Speaker 3: He was on the hooks when I worked there, and

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Speaker 3: he was so fun and he's the only player. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if they do this a lot, I would

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Speaker 3: imagine no. But he got a day off for maybe

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Speaker 3: even two days off in the middle of the season

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Speaker 3: because somehow, while still playing minor league baseball, he finished

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Speaker 3: his degree from Vanderbilt and he got to go back

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Speaker 3: to the graduation ceremony and so that was a big deal.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Tony camp rules. That's that's a terrible memory.

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Speaker 3: How dare you bring that up?

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Speaker 2: I remember Ryan Presley blew as say, I do remember

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Speaker 2: Ryan Presley blew a save and blew us off in

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Speaker 2: the clubhouse unduly. The other thing I remember about being

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Speaker 2: a bus shame. So I haven't been here in a while, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Do they still like have the horses come out and

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Speaker 2: like run around the run around the warning track every game?

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Speaker 1: No, just on opening day, but it is like the

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Speaker 1: highlight of the season. I mean, expectations were low coming

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Speaker 1: into the year, but they have the Clydesdale's for opening Day.

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Speaker 1: I'll make sure. I'll do my best to make sure

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Speaker 1: that your trip to Saint Louis goes better than my

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Speaker 1: trip to Houston last year when my suitcase never arrived

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Speaker 1: and I had to get three days worth of clothes

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Speaker 1: at Target and I showed up to then minute made

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Speaker 1: Park with a Target shopping bag as my backpack. And

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Speaker 1: I just didn't have a computer, I didn't have my credentials.

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Speaker 1: I just had my iPad. So that was such such

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Speaker 1: a great trip. I really enjoyed Houston.

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Speaker 2: You did. You did introduce me to Jim Edmonds on

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Speaker 2: that trip, And I mean, full disclosure, I was a

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Speaker 2: Cardinals fan growing up because I Mark Maguire was my

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Speaker 2: Cardinals fan, and meeting Jim Edmonds was was I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna sit here and say one of the coolest things ever,

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Speaker 2: but just seeing a guy that I watched so much

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Speaker 2: in my childhood that was very Thank you for introducing

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Speaker 2: me to Jim.

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Speaker 1: You're so welcome. I tried to t heelp my friends

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Speaker 1: out when I can no. This is an exciting series

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Speaker 1: for me. It's always fun when your friends are at

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Speaker 1: the ballpark. Cardinals Astros one time division fos, now not

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Speaker 1: so much, but a lot of history between these two clubs.

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Speaker 1: The Astros are coming off their fresh Office series win

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Speaker 1: over the Angels Cardinals fresh Office series win over the Phillies. Guys,

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Speaker 1: what was your big takeaway from the weekend matchup against Anaheim?

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Speaker 1: They're always going to be Anaheim to me.

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Speaker 3: They remembered how to hit, which was nice. It's been

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Speaker 3: which Chandler, I feel like all of my Astro's friends,

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Speaker 3: As soon as they scored fourteen. I was at a

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Speaker 3: I mean, they scored so much yesterday, they're gonna get

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Speaker 3: I thought they looked really good over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was you know, two outlier games

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Speaker 2: And then the next day they just they got shut

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Speaker 2: down by a by a crafty Tyler Anderson that has

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Speaker 2: He's a guy that they have not seen well before

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Speaker 2: and kind of knew it was coming. Joe spot have

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Speaker 2: They scored one run. I think today's game on we're

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Speaker 2: recording this on Sunday. I think Sunday's game was probably

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Speaker 2: This is a team that is still not slugging a lot.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing they are doing and Tyler, I

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Speaker 2: mean from watching them last year, this year, they're at

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Speaker 2: bats look night days as far as like taking pitches,

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Speaker 2: like a ton of pitches. Like the bats look so

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Speaker 2: much better this year than they did at any point

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Speaker 2: Paradis had one of the Crawford boxes, Tyler, he may

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Speaker 2: hit like if they played one hundred and sixty two

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Speaker 2: games in the Crawford Boxes and in dyke In Park,

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Speaker 2: he would hit fifty five home runs Like, Yeah, it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: And forty eight of them would be home runs in

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Speaker 3: like three ballparks. Uh so, Yeah, he's definitely making the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Shout out to Matt Kawahara. The Houston Chronically pointed

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Speaker 2: one to find it. Estcoc Paradis is three homers in

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Speaker 2: this series, all three of them would have all been

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Speaker 2: perfect for Dyke and Park. He's going to pull a

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Speaker 2: ton of balls into the Crawford Box. He's going to

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Speaker 2: see a lot of pitches. He just keeps, he keeps improving.

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Speaker 2: The plate discipline is obviously there, and he keeps looking

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Speaker 2: better and better. As Katie, he is the Astros third

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Speaker 2: basement that could have been another person at some point

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, as you were describing his swing. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking, I know someone who's being profile marrors that

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Speaker 1: and was maybe almost an astro. But well, we'll get

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Speaker 1: into all of the Nolan Arnata discourse because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to talk about, and you know, for a long

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Speaker 1: time over the off season, I thought this series would

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Speaker 1: that at one point Nolan Arnada was going to be

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's just get into it. Nolan Arnado

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Speaker 1: is the third basement for the Saint Louis Cardinals. Still,

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Speaker 1: it was a long discourse chandlers, you and I both

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Speaker 1: know on top of that story pretty much was the

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Speaker 1: topic of our entire off seasons. You at least had

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Speaker 1: some actual news. I did not. My biggest story of

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Speaker 1: the off season was a trade that never happened. And

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Speaker 1: I think Nolan and the Cardinals deserves some credit here

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Speaker 1: because this easily could have been a situation in spring

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Speaker 1: where's it's an ordeal and it's problematic you have a

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Speaker 1: position players report, And I think both the team and

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Speaker 1: the player have did a nice job of putting this

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Speaker 1: behind him. But of course this series is going to

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Speaker 1: raise some questions. But it's looking at the Astros right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, did they really need him?

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing that is a little misleading is they

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Speaker 2: would heavy stocked Paradis no matter what, because the plan

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Speaker 2: was to acquire Nolan Arnado and Moveeesock Paradus to first base,

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Speaker 2: and Nolan Arnado would have played third base. They have

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Speaker 2: Christian Walker because they don't have Nolan Arnado, and Christian Walker,

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Speaker 2: as Tyler knows, has been pretty awful. It's been fifteen games,

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Speaker 2: but he is not He has not acquitted himself well

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Speaker 2: his first fifteen games as an Astro. He's chasing a

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Speaker 2: lot out of the strike zone. He just hasn't produced,

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Speaker 2: and he's in the cleanup spot every day. So it

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Speaker 2: is a little kind of misleading that that it would

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Speaker 2: Esak paratus. But you know, I think the Astros were

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Speaker 2: intrigued by First of all, Nolan Arnado is, if not

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Speaker 2: the best defensive third basement of his generation, right up

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Speaker 2: there with with Matt Chapman. They were intrigued by the

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Speaker 2: defense because their priority all winter was to get their

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Speaker 2: who was a three time goal Glove winner at first base.

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Speaker 2: Their priority was defending on the infield better, and that

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Speaker 2: Tyler, It's it's interesting to have all the what ifs.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's another member of the Cardinals clubhouse that

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Speaker 3: I got a deeper cut for you after you do

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Speaker 2: Will You're a braid You would be this team starting

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Speaker 3: You probably have Jiner at first, too, right, like you

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Speaker 1: What's crazy about Mayton as The Cardinals signed him on

432
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Speaker 1: like March thirteenth, and he had maybe a two week

433
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Speaker 1: runway to get ready and fully ramped up for the

434
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Speaker 1: season because they were planning for him to be in

435
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Speaker 1: that setup man role come opening day. And Phil's like, oh, yeah,

436
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Speaker 1: I'll be fine, I won't need much. And he threw

437
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Speaker 1: on the backfields twice, appeared in one spring training game,

438
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Speaker 1: and then came out for I believe the eighth inning

439
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Speaker 1: on opening day and was great, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, yeah this, you know, this is not how

441
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Speaker 1: I would recommend necessarily navigating an off season. But again,

442
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna make one signing, you better nail it.

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Speaker 1: And so far, so good for Film Mayton, who is

444
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Speaker 1: a big fan of Chandlers as I didn't know how

445
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Speaker 1: to introduce myself, so my name dropped you. Oh oh,

446
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Speaker 1: my friend Chandler.

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Speaker 3: You gotta be careful with that. It worked out with

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Speaker 3: philm Aton, but yeah, they door.

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Speaker 1: Now still plenty to talk about. And I'm interested to

450
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Speaker 1: see you on your your guys' perspective on what the

451
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Speaker 1: heck the Cardinals are doing, because I'm sure it doesn't

452
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Speaker 1: make a lot of sense from an outsider perspective. But first,

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Speaker 1: let's hear from our pals. Fandel Sports Network take me

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Speaker 1: out to my.

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Speaker 3: Band sports Now work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Blatch.

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Speaker 6: These big I cannot be I I'm just glad they

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Speaker 6: am the.

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Speaker 1: Fore roo for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Sports Now Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: That was That was a.

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Speaker 1: Legit ad that that was real. That's FANDL money right there.

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Speaker 3: I think I could write the astros one Chandler. I'm

464
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Speaker 3: a musician. So I feel like, if they need one,

465
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Speaker 3: hit me up, I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get FanDuel to buy them first and the

467
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Speaker 2: deal that hears that?

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Speaker 1: All right, Gus, what do you think about the Chandler?

469
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Speaker 1: We spent all spring training new their ASTs and Cardinals

470
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Speaker 1: very close out in Florida. But I'm mentioned to see

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Speaker 1: your guys' take on what the heck the Cardinals are

472
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Speaker 1: doing because for so long they've been one of the

473
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Speaker 1: premier teams in the National League. Of course, it hasn't

474
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Speaker 1: been that way over the last five years. Their player

475
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Speaker 1: development system has kind of fallen through the cracks, which

476
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Speaker 1: is crazy to think about because for so long the

477
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Speaker 1: Cardinals exemplified what it means to be a draft and

478
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Speaker 1: development club and then succeed at it. But now they're

479
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Speaker 1: kind of like walking the middle. They still want to win,

480
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Speaker 1: but they're not spending a lot of money, and they

481
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Speaker 1: well they are. They're just relocating it to the minor league,

482
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Speaker 1: so they're not spending a lot on their major league

483
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Speaker 1: pay roll. I should clarify. They can kind of get

484
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Speaker 1: away with this plan because they play in the NL Central,

485
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Speaker 1: but it's just not something you see a lot their

486
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Speaker 1: transition plan with the longtime president of baseball operations John Mozelak.

487
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Speaker 1: He's stepping down, Heim Bloom taking over. It just seems

488
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Speaker 1: like an organization that's kind of stuck and doesn't know

489
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Speaker 1: which direction. It knows which direction it should go, but

490
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Speaker 1: doesn't really want to go there yet because it doesn't

491
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Speaker 1: want to pivot on winning. As you can tell, not

492
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Speaker 1: a lot makes sense. It is confusing to you, as

493
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Speaker 1: it is maybe to other people who are not around

494
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals every.

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Speaker 2: Day a little bit. But you know, I cover an

496
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Speaker 2: organization that fired a World Series winning general manager and

497
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Speaker 2: let its owner run baseball operations for three months. So

498
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Speaker 2: like I'm used, weird, but I still can't get over that.

499
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Speaker 2: Like John Mozelak, did they fire him or are they

500
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Speaker 2: just not getting his His contracts just not being renewed

501
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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: They offered him extension after the twenty twenty two season,

503
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Speaker 1: it was the first week of spring training in twenty

504
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Speaker 1: twenty three, and his current deal expires after twenty twenty five,

505
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Speaker 1: and I think he's been looking at stepping down for

506
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Speaker 1: a while. He's it's popular to dunk on mo right

507
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Speaker 1: now because the team is not good, but his job

508
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, was to make his bosses,

509
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Speaker 1: the DeWitt family, a lot of money, and he definitely

510
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Speaker 1: did that. You can absolutely take exception to where the

511
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Speaker 1: team is right now, because it's not in a great place.

512
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Speaker 1: But Moe has been here for so long and I

513
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Speaker 1: think he was looking to step down in the near future,

514
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Speaker 1: and the kind of collapse of this team in twenty

515
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Speaker 1: three and the subsequent collapse of their player development over

516
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Speaker 1: the last few years just kind of made this an

517
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Speaker 1: easier transition. So he was not fired. He was never

518
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Speaker 1: going to be fired. It was always he was always

519
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Speaker 1: gonna kind of have the ability to go down on

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Speaker 1: his own terms.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm still confused as to why he's still

522
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Speaker 2: running the offs. Like they had a huge thing to

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Speaker 2: do this offseason that was to trade Nolan Arnatto and

524
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Speaker 2: then possibly trade other high priced veterans on their roster.

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Speaker 2: I'm unclear why they let a Lane Duck Baseball Ops

526
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Speaker 2: employee try to do that when high and Bloom is

527
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Speaker 2: here and like can could have helped, could have had

528
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Speaker 2: input like that to me is unclear. But but I

529
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Speaker 2: also like I'm wondering too, Like, you know, we've talked

530
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Speaker 2: about all these Astros connections that they have. Like let's

531
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Speaker 2: not forget that Jeff Luno and Michael Oyis and Sigmatete

532
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Speaker 2: all like started their tenures in Saint Louis before they

533
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Speaker 2: all came to Houston, So like you did all kind

534
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Speaker 2: of fall apart, like when they all like did start

535
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Speaker 2: to erode, like once they left and came to Houston

536
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Speaker 2: and like instituted what they did and to like build

537
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Speaker 2: a dynasty, Like did they just like kind of was

538
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Speaker 2: it an inertia thing where they just kind of presume

539
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Speaker 2: that like whoever was coming behind them would just sustain

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Speaker 2: what they had done and it just didn't happen that way.

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Speaker 1: It's a great question. Here we are again with the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Astros crossover. There's so many hidden links between these

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Speaker 1: two organizations. The Cardinals in the early twenty tens were

544
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Speaker 1: like the textbook of player billing your club out of

545
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Speaker 1: player development and being successful at it, and a lot

546
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Speaker 1: of those people you just mentioned were instrumental in that process,

547
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Speaker 1: but then went to Houston and started their own and

548
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: the Cardinals kind of lost all of that, and essentially

549
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Speaker 1: there weren't talented people in the organization, but the backbone

550
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Speaker 1: that foundation that was supposed to work alongside MO to

551
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Speaker 1: ensuring that this player development factory kept turning out talent

552
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Speaker 1: kind of split up all over the place. So I

553
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Speaker 1: think the Cardinals always had the resources, but then they

554
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Speaker 1: started trying to invest more in their major league club

555
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Speaker 1: because they were having trouble staying up with, you know,

556
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Speaker 1: the Phillies, the Dodgers, Padres, the Mets because they aren't

557
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Speaker 1: in markets like that Saint louis Is, though the fans

558
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Speaker 1: are rampant and it is a baseball town, it's small market.

559
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Speaker 1: So they felt like they had to redirect all of

560
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Speaker 1: their money to free agency and supplementing the club, and

561
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: they essentially drained player development dry. They cut positions, they

562
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: lacked adequate technology, adequate staffing. And I think if those

563
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Speaker 1: people that you mentioned were still in the organization under

564
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Speaker 1: you know, didn't go to under Lunau to the Astros,

565
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Speaker 1: or again if you're micaelast and Sig to the Orioles eventually,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they would have allowed that to happen,

567
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Speaker 1: then maybe that's not fair. I think there was definitely

568
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Speaker 1: pushback from MO about, hey, we need to keep investing

569
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Speaker 1: in player development, but not nearly enough, Otherwise the Cardinals

570
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be here. But it is interesting to see the

571
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Speaker 1: parallels between where the Cardinals are and where the Astros are,

572
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Speaker 1: their differences in their farm systems. You can definitely see

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Speaker 1: the impact of Saint Louis in Houston, though I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say that Houston has excelled much more

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Speaker 1: than the Cardinals have in the last ten years.

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Speaker 3: Is this a safe space to say somebody needs to

577
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Speaker 3: tell Dana Brown to change his passwords after this series?

578
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Speaker 2: Is? Where's Chris Correa?

579
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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: I wonder David Eckstein too, Whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: David Freeze four, I'm so glad that was before my time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so glad I didn't have to touch that.

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Speaker 1: I'll know that would not. Can you imagine you and

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Speaker 1: I working on that together.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't even want to think about that.

586
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Speaker 3: For ye, you mentioned the Cardinals being in kind of

587
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Speaker 3: a weird place. As a thirty something guy who grew

588
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Speaker 3: up in Houston, I don't believe the Cardinals are dead

589
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Speaker 3: until they are buried in the ground. They're is strong

590
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: devil magic that they use to sneak into the playoffs

591
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Speaker 3: and then magically be good. So I don't. I'm not

592
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Speaker 3: I'm not buying any of this about the Cardinals not

593
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Speaker 3: being good until I see it in Game one sixty two,

594
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Speaker 3: because I've seen it too many times growing up here

595
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Speaker 3: to believe anything else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, you just said like they're they're they play

597
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Speaker 2: in a bad division. I mean the Cubs are. Yeah,

598
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Speaker 2: the Cubs are pretty good, but like Justin Steele Blue

599
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: is on, that's not great, Like the Brewers are gonna

600
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: mess around and win eighty five games somehow, Like if

601
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Speaker 2: this team is like within four or five games of

602
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Speaker 2: first play, like if if they can somehow be in

603
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Speaker 2: contention at the deadline, like are they gonna add? Like

604
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Speaker 2: like what like how is this gonna go? If like

605
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Speaker 2: they do, because they've played pretty well to start this season.

606
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Speaker 2: It's and like you look at the roster like this

607
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Speaker 2: is not like a team of nobodies like I mean

608
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Speaker 2: Wilson Contraras, Nolan Arnatto, like Sonny Gray, Ryan Helsley, like

609
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Speaker 2: and there's good players here, Like what happens if they're

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Speaker 2: Like if you get to June or July and this

611
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Speaker 2: team's like sort of in it, Like are they gonna

612
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Speaker 2: add at the deadline? Or is this like a total

613
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Speaker 2: punt here.

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Speaker 1: No one has said this in the organization at least,

615
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Speaker 1: but I know I feel it in my heart and soul.

616
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Speaker 1: If the Cardinals just hover around five hundred coming into

617
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline, being around five hundred is very much

618
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Speaker 1: a contention in this division. I mean, you said it, Cubs,

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Speaker 1: they're good, but they had some key losses, the Brewers

620
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Speaker 1: or the Brewers, I know, the Cardinals just lost a

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Speaker 1: series to the Pirates or whatever. And you can't convince

622
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Speaker 1: me on the Reds. Every year people try to convince

623
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Speaker 1: me that the Reds are it, and every year I'm like,

624
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Speaker 1: not really. So if you're five hundred and you're the

625
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Speaker 1: same loss Cardinals coming into July, coming into right around

626
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline, I firmly believe they're adding, not to

627
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Speaker 1: the extent where it's going to derail their youth booment

628
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Speaker 1: plans or it's gonna put hein Boom in somewhat of

629
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Speaker 1: a bad spot. But you think John Mozelok's going to

630
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Speaker 1: go out like this, You think he's gonna go out

631
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Speaker 1: getting booed at opening Day where his legacy is like, oh,

632
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: this guy ran the Cardinals in the ground, which is

633
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: unfair but this is a what have you done for

634
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Speaker 1: me now? Industry. No, if there's any chance that the

635
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Speaker 1: Cardinals can compete in the second half of the season,

636
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Speaker 1: for whether that be for a wild card birth or

637
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: a division title, the organization is going to go for

638
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Speaker 1: it in the most cardinal way possible, the same way

639
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Speaker 1: they've done the last couple of trade deadlines when they

640
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Speaker 1: were in it. They're going to incrementally, like marginally improved

641
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: and worked for them in twenty twenty two when they

642
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: traded Harrison Baider for Jordan Montgomery and then got Jordan

643
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: Kintana or jose Kntana from the Pirates didn't really work

644
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Speaker 1: for them. In twenty twenty four when they traded Tommy Edmund,

645
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: known power hitter Tommy Edmund by the Way, for Eric

646
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: Betty and three weeks of Tommy fam that was a

647
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: fun experience for me. But that's how the Cardinals buy

648
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Speaker 1: at the deadline, and to an extent, I get it,

649
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Speaker 1: because if you're the Saint Louis Cardinals, you should never

650
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Speaker 1: punt on a season. I commend them for not totally rebuilding,

651
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Speaker 1: though I agree with you Chandler. I think the way

652
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Speaker 1: that they're operating right now is peculiar. But my concern is,

653
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Speaker 1: how did the Cardinals get like stay five hundred, and

654
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Speaker 1: if they do, how would that impact him's plan because

655
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Speaker 1: I'm sure what he envisions for the organization is not

656
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Speaker 1: the same as what Moe is currently envisioning, and it's

657
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Speaker 1: not supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just I can't fathom, Like, and

659
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Speaker 2: you've and you've written this in kron and talked about this,

660
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: like the attendance is down to it no one's going

661
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: one of these games either, and like it's when you

662
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Speaker 2: can't get fans in Saint Louis to go out to games,

663
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: like that's a pretty dire indictment of what's going on.

664
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Speaker 2: But like you just said, like if this team is

665
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Speaker 2: around five hundred and June or like, and if they

666
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Speaker 2: start playing well, like fans will come back. And then

667
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Speaker 2: it's like, what are you going to reward these people

668
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: with at July? On July thirty first, if like you're

669
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: in striking distance, you're gonna stand pat or go like

670
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Speaker 2: get a sixth inning reliever, like and that's gonna be

671
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Speaker 2: your only addition, Like I don't know, Like, I mean, hell,

672
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Speaker 2: you may see the best rental starter available at the

673
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Speaker 2: deadline pitch at Bush Stadium on Monday. If the Ashers

674
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Speaker 2: aren't in it, if they're out of it. Fromber Valdez

675
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Speaker 2: is right up there with Sandy al Contra on the

676
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Speaker 2: on the deadline, you know, sweep Steak. I think the

677
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Speaker 2: Ashros will be in it. So I don't think Fromber

678
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Speaker 2: will be dangled in trades. But like you look at that,

679
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what they would go after, like the

680
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Speaker 2: most enviable rentals, right to not put to to try

681
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Speaker 2: to go in on this season and to not put

682
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Speaker 2: Home in a bad spot next year, and to still

683
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Speaker 2: have some roster space available for this quote unquote youth

684
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Speaker 2: movement that they can't do because they didn't trade anybody

685
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Speaker 2: this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, make it makes sense. I don't, although I

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Speaker 1: we'll say, just playing devil's advocate here, maybe some of

688
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Speaker 1: the reason why Moe did or did not make these

689
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Speaker 1: trades is because given what Heim did in Boston trading

690
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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets, maybe the Cardinals didn't want that to be

691
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Speaker 1: Hime's first move is coming over and then blowing it

692
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Speaker 1: up trading Ronado Hellesley. I think if there was a

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Speaker 1: different president of Baseball Operations would have been gone, considering

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Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the industry. Was very surprised when

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals said at the GM meetings in November that

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Speaker 1: they would not be trading Hellsley. Everyone myself included, kind

697
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Speaker 1: of figured he'd be a no brainer trade candidate, and

698
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Speaker 1: Hellesley felt the same way, and most hands were tied

699
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Speaker 1: a little bit sunny gray full no trade cause Wilson

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Speaker 1: Contraria's same thing, Miles Michael the same thing, and then

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Speaker 1: Nolan Arnatto would have waived it for about four to

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Speaker 1: five teams and ended up not so.

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Speaker 2: Weird was wouldn't wait for We know that, we.

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Speaker 1: Know there was definitely one. We'll get into a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of the next three days to come, but

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Speaker 1: we need to do a segment, a Player to Watch

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Speaker 1: segment presented by FanDuel Sports Network, And to me, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty obvious who my player to watch is. It's Nolan Arnado.

709
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Speaker 1: So he doubled today, first extra base hit in a

710
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Speaker 1: while to start the season, though after fifteen games he's

711
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: played in fourteen of them, he is hitting two eighty

712
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Speaker 1: three with an eight h two OPS. He hit a

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Speaker 1: home run opening day, got a curtain call that was

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Speaker 1: a cool moment for Nolan, I think, just given what

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Speaker 1: he went through over the off season, but he's a

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Speaker 1: queen of pitter. His swing looks a lot better. He's

717
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Speaker 1: never gonna be satisfied with where he's at. But this

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Speaker 1: is a guy that I'm watching because with the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: down Yvon Herrera, who was their best hitter to start

720
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: the year, Wilson Contraras is slowly but surely coming out

721
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Speaker 1: of that slump. They need some thumb from the right side,

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Speaker 1: and I think Nolan and I was gonna bring it.

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Speaker 1: So that's my player to watch. Do you guys have

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Speaker 1: one in this.

725
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Hunter Brown because I just really like

726
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: watching Hunder Brown, pitch Man.

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Speaker 3: You should watch Hunter Brown. That's the player to watch.

728
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: He'll start the middle game, He'll start on Tuesday. And

729
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think the entire industry or the

730
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Speaker 2: entire like sport as a whole, like Acknowledge is like

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Speaker 2: this is he is probably the best or second or

732
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 2: third best like young starting pitcher that no one's talking

733
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 2: about right now like he is. He was incredible last year.

734
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: You know, from May fifth through the end of last season,

735
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 2: only Chris Saale and Paul Skeens had a lower era

736
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Speaker 2: than Hunter Brown. He had at he had a lower

737
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: RA and Trek Scooble, who won the American Leagues I

738
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: Young Award unanimously. He's now sitting ninety eight pretty regularly

739
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: in his first three starts. I wrote about that on

740
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: The Athletic this week, that he didn't necessarily go into

741
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: the off season trying to increase his velocity, but wanted

742
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: to get more mobile, wanted to get more flexible, And

743
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: because he just focused on his mobility and his flexibility

744
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 2: so much, He's now thrown five pitches this year, ninety

745
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: nine miles an hour harder he had thrown seven in

746
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: his first three years in the Big leagues combined. He

747
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: is sitting like ninety seven and a half and maintaining

748
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: it throughout all these games. His sinker is me six now.

749
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: His breaking balls are legit. Like. He is really really

750
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: fun to watch. I'm not saying he's appointment television yet.

751
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: This isn't like a clear your schedule. We got to

752
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: watch Hunter Brown pitch, but he's getting there like this,

753
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: He is really really fun to watch. Tyler. Do you

754
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: have someone that is just as fun to watch?

755
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 4: Well?

756
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Speaker 3: My first would be the ghost of Bud Norris growing up.

757
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: That was Bud Norris just owned the Cardinals growing and

758
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: you know, he was he was okay, but for whatever reason,

759
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: he turned into Roger Clemens against the Cardinals. Anytime I

760
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 3: see the Astros and Cardinals play, that's who I am

761
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: thinking of personally. That's the kind of analysis I bring

762
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: to this podcast. But I mean, the Astros line really

763
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: seemed to be heating up over the weekend, and Chandler,

764
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: you mentioned Christian Walker has gotten off their really rough start,

765
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Speaker 3: but he did draw what four or five walks after

766
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Speaker 3: having none, you know, through the first part of the season.

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Speaker 3: He's still hitting the ball hard, and so it feels

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Speaker 3: like that kind of initial breakout is coming for him.

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Speaker 3: And I think if that domino can fall, I think

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Speaker 3: the Astros lineup gets significantly better because of the pressure

771
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: it takes off of all of the other hitters. And

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Speaker 3: so that's that's who I'm really paying attention to right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Christian Walker went forty seven straight played appearances that

774
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Speaker 2: a walk, finally got one in Seattle, and he's looked better.

775
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Speaker 2: But I would also offer that they're not paying him

776
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year to draw walks. They would

777
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: like him to hit the ball in the gap. They

778
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: would like him hit the ball out of the ballpark.

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00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: And he should do that pretty quickly, because if he does,

780
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Speaker 2: like you said, Tyler, the entire complexion of this lineup changes.

781
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: If they can get Christian Walker going.

782
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Speaker 1: Has Walker homeward yet this year he has.

783
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Speaker 2: He destroyed a hanging breaking ball from I believe Joe

784
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: Ryan in Minneapolis hit it off the second deck and

785
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: you kind of thought that was gonna be kind of

786
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: the X. Heale, like, all right, he's back. And then

787
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: after that it looked even worse. Honestly, after that home run,

788
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: so you know, again the bats look better, but it's

789
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: they You remember the scene, Katie, have you seen a

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00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: Little Big League?

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Speaker 1: No? You know, I'm bad at movies, Tyler, have you

792
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: seen a Little Big League?

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Speaker 3: It was like the second podcast in a row, you

794
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: brought up Little big League?

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Speaker 2: Hit me, I'm big League? Okay. So premise to the

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00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: store premise of the movie, I'm not gonna get all

797
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: into it, but a kid becomes the manager of the twins.

798
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: And when the kid is managing the twins, there's a

799
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Speaker 2: there's a veteran player that was his favorite player growing up.

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Speaker 2: His name was Jerry. I forgot his last name, but

801
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: Jerry was his favorite player growing up. Obviously old veteran

802
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: player in Decline and they're playing together. There's a scene

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00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: where they're they're in a game and Jerry gets a

804
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: seeing Eye single, just bounces the ball through the right side,

805
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: and Billy Haywood, the manager, leaps off the bench and

806
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: starts so excited, and he's got this crusty veteran old

807
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: bench coach that's helping him out. And the bench coach

808
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: taps and he goes, kid, don't you think it says

809
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: a lot when you're that excited about a CEINGI single.

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Speaker 2: Then they release and then they release Jerry the next day.

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Speaker 1: No, not Jerry.

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00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: So I'm not trying to say Christian Walker is in

813
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: Jerry spot. But the fact that we're sitting here like

814
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: grasping it shes like, oh, he's drawing walks. Yeah. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like we were what we were doing with Jose

816
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: Brady a couple of years ago and was like, oh

817
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: he hit a ball ninety eight miles an hour on

818
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Speaker 2: a line. Yay. Now like you're making twenty million dollars,

819
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 2: like you better be doing more than drawn walks. So, yeah,

820
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: they need The moral of the story is he needs

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Speaker 2: to produce. But it's fifteen games. He'll he'll probably be fine.

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Speaker 1: By the end of the season, all right, so our

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00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: players to watch. Let me just make sure I have

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Speaker 1: this straight. Nolanado cut a brown Christian Walker and the

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Speaker 1: ghost of Bud Norris.

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Speaker 2: And Jerry from Little Big League, A Little.

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Speaker 1: for details. Two things that you guys mentioned speed and

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Speaker 1: young starters, and that's not something that the astros. We'll

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00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: see for their next three days, Cardinals are throwing out

838
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: the veterans. They'll have Sunny Grand Monday, Eric Betty on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and Stephen Mattz will make his first start of the

840
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Speaker 1: season on Wednesday in the series finale. The Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: going to a six man rotation on Wednesday. It's been

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00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: their plan since the season opened. They are entering a stretch.

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00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: They are three games in now to a stretch from

844
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: April eleventh to May seventh. They have one scheduled off day,

845
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: so they're going to deploy the six man rotation. Matts

846
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: has been fine and long relief. He actually had a

847
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: really solid spring, but we'll see how he does in

848
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: his first start. Again, these are not guys that necessarily

849
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: throw a lot of bilo at you. Sonny grays Vila

850
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: was down most of spring but looks to be a

851
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: little bit better now. They're contact guys. Sonny has swing

852
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: and this, of course, but yeah, you're not going to

853
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: see youth. Then you're not going to see ninety seven

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Speaker 1: from your starters.

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00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: I know that Steven Mattz throws at his left hand, right, Yes, okay, Well,

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00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 2: the Astros have taken are going to be confused. Yes,

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00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: the Astres have taken the fewest at bats against left

858
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: handed pitching of any team in baseball. And like the

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00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: next like the twenty ninth fewest is like thirty plate

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00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: appearances ahead of them, because the Astros have one left

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00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: handed hitter on their entire roster, and it is Jordan

862
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Speaker 2: albare It's Jordan Alvarez, who's very good. But yeah, they

863
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: are all. That's such a right handed lineup that no

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Speaker 2: manager in his right mind is going to go out

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Speaker 2: of his way to throw a left handed starter against them.

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Speaker 2: Now it's going to line up in rotations. Well, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna line up in rotations.

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Speaker 1: See the San Louis Cardinal.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, facing the left handed starter is

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Speaker 2: that's a big deal for an Ashers team that uh

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Speaker 2: that And you said, look, you said that, and Tyler

872
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Speaker 2: you had you have to have noticed this throughout the

873
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: first fifteen games, like they won't see a ton of vello.

874
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: This team has seen nothing but like sinkers and just

875
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Speaker 2: not junk. I don't want to, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: dismiss like pitchers that are that do it a little differently,

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Speaker 2: but like the Ashers have just seen like Kyle, they

878
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: saw Kyle HENDRICKX today, they saw Tyler Anderson yesterday like that,

879
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: They've all they've seen are just like a lot of sinkers.

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00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: In on their right, in on their hands, and a

881
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: lot of just junk, and they haven't really seen a

882
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: ton of vilo and I think that honestly has contributed

883
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: a little bit to to to their offensive malaise, because

884
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: like they've just seen such unorthodox kind of pitching to

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00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: start this season that I think they'd welcome at this point,

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00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: like just a normal like four seam and then curveball

887
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: change up, like they'd welcome like a traditional kind of starter.

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00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. They They have definitely seen some interesting

889
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: pitching and the lefties that they have seen all have

890
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: reverse splits, so they have not faced like a real

891
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: true lefty this season, So I'm sure they'll be excited

892
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Speaker 3: about that. One final cross pollination here you mentioned not

893
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: having a ton of youth, you do have former Astros

894
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: draft pick and TCU legend Luke and Baker on the team.

895
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: So he was drafted by the Astros in twenty fifteen

896
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: after winning a Gatorade Player of the Year. This is

897
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 3: while I was still at Texas A and M covering sports,

898
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: and it was a very big deal that Luke and

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00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 3: Baker chose TCU over A and M. So you got

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Speaker 3: him too. So we got all kinds of connections for

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00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: the series.

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Speaker 2: And then and then, hold on, Katie, you mentioned youth.

903
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Speaker 2: We have a weird thing on our pod. We are

904
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Speaker 2: contractually obligated, mentioned Cam Smith.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it took forty three minutes, almost forty four minutes

906
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: up Camps.

907
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: I gotta put my chain. That's why Tyler's so antsy.

908
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: Tyler is the president of the camp Smith fan.

909
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 3: Club, the conductor of the hype train.

910
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: Yes, the conductor of the hype train. This is us

911
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: mentioning Cam Smith to fulfill our contractual obligations.

912
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: He did you see he hit a home run?

913
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Speaker 2: Channeler, that was what I did. I did he hit

914
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: a pull side home run. He finally didn't hit something

915
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 2: the other way. Hey, but Tyler, I mean, let's be real,

916
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: like real quick, like forty five seconds to himnute, like

917
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Speaker 2: he did look better. He looked this series against the Angels,

918
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: like you could tell like it looks better. I don't.

919
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: He's still got some growing pains in there, but he's

920
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: looking better.

921
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like a major league hitter. He's also

922
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: good at right field, which is stupid. That's dumb. Like

923
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: he was playing third base for Florida State last year.

924
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: It's insane that he's good at right field and he

925
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: just is like he he looks like he's done that

926
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: his whole life. He's way faster than he should be

927
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Speaker 3: for the giant that he is. And uh, you know,

928
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Speaker 3: we we've mentioned the ashst plate appearance is looking a

929
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Speaker 3: lot better. Camp Smith is another one. He every plate appearance.

930
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Speaker 3: You know, he might ground it and you know, into

931
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Speaker 3: the dirt to second base, but he takes pitches really well.

932
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: He's drawing walks, he's patient, and uh yeah, Cardinals fans

933
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: get to see two fun corner outfielders for the first

934
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Speaker 3: time with with Hosel TV playing left field. Hopefully we'll

935
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 3: see I don't know, does he get to play it

936
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Speaker 3: Fromervel doesn't. Yeah, She's they're gonna stick him in the

937
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: left field and he's not gonna have anything to do.

938
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Speaker 3: He's gonna they're gonna put a hammock out there for him, body.

939
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: His nails for eight innings, like he's gonna have nothing

940
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Speaker 2: to do the first two games.

941
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Speaker 1: Okay, So Tyler is very similar to uh camp Smith

942
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: as I am to Jordan Walker. So I get it.

943
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: I yeah, I got my chain on just for him.

944
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: Come on, I.

945
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: Can't have the chain. But on this podcast, this is

946
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Walker Truther podcast, I respect it. I respect that you, guys.

947
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: Chandler is a hater, but somebody's got to play the

948
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 3: other side.

949
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: It's impressing in.

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Speaker 1: Every podcast, and I'm not surprised Chandler's bad cop.

951
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, would you believe that Chandler did

952
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: not have just fettered joy about someone in baseball?

953
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: Uh? I believe that's textbook Chandler. I love that.

954
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: That'll be on my tombstone. That'll be the first line

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00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: of first line of my obituary.

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00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: Chandler, room with obituary unless I go down with you,

957
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: which is.

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00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: Possible, very possible this week.

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00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: I know. I can't wait. I love when my friends

960
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: are in town. No one ever comes and visits me

961
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis. But I would have murdered you if

962
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: you didn't so super excited for this. Cardinals Astros, serious, guys,

963
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: this was fun. This was Cardinal Territory's first crossover episode,

964
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: and honestly, I didn't think I did too bad with

965
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Speaker 1: the producing. Long time listeners, loyal listeners know that this

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Speaker 1: is a this is a fault of mine. I'm not

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00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: exactly the best at the ad reads, but a lot

968
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: of pressure with Crush City on, so I thought I

969
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: brought my game.

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00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having us.

971
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: You were better than the Cubs. Guys. Mmm, don't They

972
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: will tell the hot of the mooney that I'm telling them.

973
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for listening. As always, you can

974
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: follow Chandler at the Athletic on Twitter at Chandler realm

975
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: Tyler at Tyler see Stafford. I'm on the Athletic as

976
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: well at Katie j. Wu on Twitter. Uh. Yeah, should

977
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: be a fun series with these Cardinals and Astros and

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00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: we're ready to break it down from both sides for

979
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: the boys, I'm Katie Wou. Thanks for watching.

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Speaker 3: Bye,